I don’t care about the charge time as much as I care about when someone says “the company says it’ll last 90 miles but more realistically it’ll be 50” that’s a massive difference
And then after two hours it did NOT charge from 20%-90%. It’s only charged to 70%, that is a much larger margin that we should be accepting from the company. Especially considering they’re almost brand new.
They advertise a distance range, which is dependent on environment, terrain, load, and how you ride. Which we found to be accurate to their description. The charging was slower than expected though.
I know the comment was sarcastic but just gonna throw this in. I remember seeing some special forces use dirt bikes in Afghanistan if i remember correctly locals were calling them "hells angels" apparently dirt bikes can run over IED's and even certain types of mines and not trigger them! Not to mention they are less likely to drive on to them since the tire width is smaller also would be great for fast operations in all kinds of difficult terrains. Also e-bikes are already being used in Ukraine for reconnaissance.
@percunos487 the USA military already contracted a semi stealth ebike with its main thing of 90 mph top speed and only 55db loudness, its best usecase is for reconnaissance in east asia where its ahrd to use flying stuff cause jungle and shit. and for fast tactical raid operations.
I mean, even something like a Honda Ruckus has some real practicality in over-loaded tiny streets. 100 miles on one gallon. Heck you could stick a milk jug full of gas under the seat in a pinch, and double that.
@@GrahamBartleI have a dirt bike, suzuki 400sm specifically for bugout. It's LOUD, the ebike my neighbor has at a distance I don't even hear him on it, meanwhile me, you can hear me almost a mile away. The detection between ebike and gas is night&day. In fact if I have to use hearing protection with gas bike because it's fking loud
This is the type of content that you guys do best; introducing concepts and ideas that really haven't been touched based on yet or at the very least are niche and are now being brought out into the open. Your first dirt bike video, the homesteading one, gift ideas, alternative training methods with no ammo, etc. More of these videos please.
You should either keep an extra belt or get a chain drive conversion for reliability. You could also upgrade to a GATES GT4 belt and install an extra belt around the midshaft for easy replacement.
@@375Cheytac That's what I'm saying. For serious field use, gearbox bikes are going to be way more reliable than belt drive. I have beat the living hell out of my MX3, gone >1000 mi without oil change, it just keeps going. Tighten the chain, Slime your tires and the bike is good to go for a long, long time
I served in GUR Legion in Ukraine. We had something like this. They were game changers for recce's and ambushes. Plus they were fun as hell to whip around.
Back from the last video, actually got to see these things in use in a force on force exercise. Our (3d LAR) jump teams rode bikes out of the backs of LAV-LOGs (2 bikes per LOG, 4 Scouts to a pair). At night, the things are practically dead silent with a smaller overall signature than conventional bikes or 4x4 vehicles with better maneuverability. The downsides the scouts found were long charge times in comparison to standard refueling, reliability in sandy conditions, and increased risk with inexperienced riders or riding at night. Overall, we found out they were incredibly useful for reconnaissance.
Honestly? For long range operations, a serial hybrid would be dope as hell. You have the range and quick refuel of IC engines, torque of motors, and you can do silent mode on battery only for a few critical klicks.
Yeah I heard stories during my time at 1st LAR where these were used. Sounded lit, but too many scouts would hurt themselves on them so they canned it. Dope idea though
@dirty-civilian As the owner of a Zero FX(srreet legal civilian version) They are awesome in perfect, high grip conditions. There is no E-bike on the planet that does well in sand/loose conditions, and nothing kills a battery faster.
Just opened my eyes to probably one of the most useful tools in the tactical realm. Both tactical and tacticool. Silent enough to easily lose a tail or conduct recon and light enough to attach to your jeep as a secondary. I probably wouldn't use it as a primary specifically for the load out limitations but as an attachable secondary or exploration tool or silent attack unit it's perfect. Definitely a winner with this one and now I'm looking into them lol
In shtf i would pull my camper where i wanted before all the gas went bad . Then just get around on a ebike . I got enough solar to charge it everyday on the camper .
E-Bikes are so awesome outdoors. I bought a Rad Power Rover 6 a few months ago, added some racks and bags and it's the perfect off road/bug out bike for under 2Gs.
Funny story to humble myself... first day riding my Talaria, I didn't realize how much torque it had... first time I go to ride it, whiskey throttle, threw me over the bars and into a fence... still have a lump on my stomach 10 months later...
@@kuttinkuddy3905 I haven’t pushed it to the max but I can regularly ride up & down the coastline or to the next city, 20+ mile trips with elevation change. Never running out of battery 👍🏼 52 volt battery btw
I'm glad y'all are talking about this I've been prepping for years and hunting since I was a teenager and I've Loved ebikes for how quickly they can get you into the field and out very quietly with storage capacity but they haven't gained much traction in these circles until recently
You guys definitely need to do an updated video on the changes you make. I’d love to get one, but use it as sort of a pack mule with the ability to throw a ruck on the back and carry some larger items if possible. Additionally it would be interesting to see what kind of changes that would bring to speed, handling, and distance.
great video. i rented an ebike on vacation at lake tahoe and i was so impressed i rented it the entire week and rode it instead of driving for the most part but mine was so light weight i could easily put it in the back of the truck. It even had a back rack and a version with a basket and even a pull behind rig all solutions to store extra stuff. The bike in the video would benefit from having storage options.
I ride a 23' KTM excf 500 with all the goodies. Loud and proud!! Im very interested to see what you two do to these bikes. Crushing the content guys. Keep up the great work!
It's got an aftermarket ECU with TacoMoto tunes in it and a FMF 4.1 muffler. I wanted to see what the bike was capable of and it does not disappoint! I've got all the factory parts sitting on the shelf and the OE muffler is pretty quiet at the cost of mid to top end power.
You guys hit a home run with this video content! The e-bikes and gear featured are fantastic. You guys keep putting out some awesome content-keep up the great work!
I like Drew's setup for how he's attempting to attach a bag, personally I'd like to see if there's a way to hard Mount a either aluminum or magnesium frame of tube on either side of where the rear wheel would be to potentially mount a sort of hard case storage options or even just like a flat rear panel to mount a full backpack onto to just keep it stabilized so you can dismount off of it if you need to. That being said it would be a really interesting concept to see how much wattage you would need from solar panels to charge for how long, wattage x Time = full charge, because if you are trying to do more a long-range reconnaissance role with using the spike it'd be an interesting concept to play around with to be able to just disconnect from your primary group go scout ahead by a day or two and then peel back
If you need extra storage Here in the uk they have what we motorcyclists call a tank bag these are either magnetic or they strap on or both. As for strapping stuff to the rear make sure the contents are light. Any weight needs to be kept central as to not upset the balance of the bike. When I say central this is around the foot peg position so just in front where the tank would normally be or as you have your foot on a peg that triangle section just at the back of your legs but if getting these type of bags make sure left and right bag both weight the same as again not to upset the balance of the bike. If this is not followed what will happen the bike will feel different in left and right turns hence one bag weighing more let’s say the right bag the bike will tip in faster on a right handa. Bikes are dangerous enough as they are don’t make it anymore dangerous make sure it’s balanced👍 top tip. Spare parts would be a good idea to chains sprockets wheel bearings brake pads discs fuses suitable wire spare battery motor ect. How durable is the switch gear or bar controls??
I grew up racing motocross and desert. I've been doing the e-bike thing for quite a while, and I love it. I've been thinking about buying an all electric, I'm in the research phase still. I'm leaning towards either the E-Ride Pro SS or building it ground up. These bikes are rapidly catching up to the power of a good 250 dirt bike. People are modding them to be even faster. My number one concern is that the suspension is not going to keep up with the speed. People can get flying on one of these, but if they hit some whoops or serious rough terrain, I am not confident that suspension is going to play nice. I guess we'll see.
So, in Haditha in 2007(ish), the previous Marines had made a berm all the way around the 3 cities. We controlled all the traffic in and out of there. When they built the berm, they took *every* motorcycle, because it gave the "insurgents" too much capability to move quickly. Food for thought.
The hitch mount 600lb motorcycle hauler from Harbor freight works SWEET for these as well. Just did a 2000mile roadtrip with my Talaria on back, 90mph no problem. Lets you keep the pickup bed free for gear.
E-moto are just straight up fun, regardless of anything else. Quiet, fast, light, and easy to load up. I've met more cool people in the last year than the previous 20 since I bought mine.
I'd like supplemental charging with solar panels. Sure not a lot of surface area for it but it could help with leaving it for a time to get another 10-20% charge while you do whatever to get back to it.
just got a couple of small folding fat tire ones, because i have a sedan, and i think it'll make it tons easier to get me, my kid, and our packs a few miles down the trail to our hunting spots and super increase our ability to hunt where there aren't a ton of other humans, all without making much noise.
As Someone who uses an ebike every day. They are cool and very convenient when you don't need to go very far, or you just want to have a little fun around the neighborhood
I commute on a Zero FX and while it is perfect for that and light off roading(If you can truck it to where you are riding), I couldn't imagine not also having a CRF450RL that can actually go places and is far more capable in the rough stuff.
Oh man, SO excited for future vids on these. Been eyeballing this for a while, then boom. One of my favorite channels drops a video on with promises of more?? Looks like I might actually have to start saving up to get one
What I would like to see is, test this in an overnighter outside. Get in the night under nods out of the city, finde and build shelter and get back in 🤞🏻
@@mischifischi well for me personally my plan was to purchase a surron straight from china you save about a $1000 that way and then buy a upgraded controller and battery sell the stock battery and controller new and recoup a bit of my funds then i would be at about $6000 total (maybe) and have about 100 miles of range on average riding using a chi 72max and have slightly more power the the SS but if you want to just buy a bike and be done with it the SS is the way to go
@@Mountain_Armory thank you for your answer! Unfortunately im living in Germany and as far i know its not possible to get the SS street legal here. So my option is the Surron. The Surron is a little bit smaller compared to the SS it seems.
I went to Tennessee for vacation at Pigeon Forge. I had an absolute blast ripping up the smokies. Y'all have beautiful terrain, and I am quite jealous as a Texas boy.
These are great. I use these and an Electric Motion bike, but they are a bit noisy due to the motor and chain noise for quiet hunting. I use a geared rear hub motor with ferrofluid and hub sinks on a FUTR Stealth chassis if I really want stealth and similar decent speed. It is not as good at climbing, but you can use mountain bike parts for repairs whereas with Surron-type bikes only the suspension and brake parts are mountain bike compatible and they are pretty bad. With the setup I use, I can get the same range as a surron without pedalling, but if I pedal as well, I get a huge amount more range and the gears are super handy. With a geared hub motor I can pedal without the drag that a DD rear hub motor produces. The other positive is that it is cheaper to get built up with similar performance. I can get quality forks, rear suspension. brakes, cranks, etc for about the same price as a standard Surron. It is better than the crappy suspension, bars, brakes, etc. that Surrons come with standard. It handles better, brakes better, but you sacrifice the weight issue of the rear end. Just my 2 bob's worth.
Downside…. to use for hunting or fun at this moment you have to find a way to hard mount your rifle to the machine in a case if on fed/some state land…… easy fix! Old cowboy leather horse holster on the front fork
For about half the cost of one of these E-motocross styled crotch busters, a prepared individual can get into a commercial grade E-cargo style bike… they are insanely packable, very rugged and reliable (they have to be, they are used in some major cities as last mile delivery vehicles). The cargo bike design is usualy setup for comfortable riding, so hardcore off-roading at speed is not in the cards… but the truism of “Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fa…” will prolly apply here…
Modern day Scout/Cavalry. The possibilities for guerilla warfare/hit and run tactics is pretty unlimited other than available charging locations. The speed and range these bikes offers is pretty amazing. Very cool video.
@@scottedwards3403 someone was deleting my replies in the other thread. You can look up 18650 pack spot welding or just wire up some 12v 40 ah packs in series...
@@breckfreeride the time and materials involved would very much make it cost prohibitive on top of it being very fickle and dangerous. That’s why I asked if YOU had any tutorials
@@scottedwards3403 ruclips.net/video/wyk_nxRJ9Hk/видео.htmlsi=JmU4Zo6Sm6-g9OJS Why would I reinvent the wheel? There's so much information out there to find already. This is a safe and reliable setup if that concerns you and still very cheap.
Got a Talaria MX4 last week. A little quieter still then the bikes that use belts like EridePro and the Surron. Youll want handlebar risers and probably 21/18 wheel set if you are a tall rider. Aside from all the fun, it’s part of my current tsunami evac plan to get up a nearby mountain…
@@sashaaalolll when shit hits a fan you will try to scavenge fuel from abandoned trucks, instead staying in the open for your solar battery to recharge, on top of that travelling with such thing will be pain the ass if you can attach 2 jerry cans instead.
I like that they are quiet, fast, light weight, easy to maintain, and can be fuelled by multiple electric sources. Add some extra batteries and you can pull a bike trailer full of gear anywhere.
I’m relatively new to your channel and had thoroughly enjoyed everything I’d watched so far before today. Tonight I binged watched a bunch and totally forgot about BKFC. You hooked me. You guys are really good at this. You work so well together the chemistry is beautiful to watch. You guys also offer very logical and “realistic” expectations of things, in context so a fella like me can apply that to his life/situation . Even your Alex Jones skit while insanely funny and “extreme” was on point with all the data. I’ve been on the market for an e-bike for a couple of years but have a few hang ups keeping me from making a purchase. These bikes are impressive though I’m very interested. You’re quickly becoming one of my top 10 favorite Chanel’s. Hell top 5 !!! So, in conclusion, thank you for your EXCELLENT and informative content. Much love, thank you, God Bless, Jesus is King, and they really did turn the frogs gay 🤫
I’d like an electric bike. I love the idea of having a dirt bike for a SHTF scenario but would be cool to have something that can’t be heard from miles away. If you ever wanna do something like “Make A Wish” except instead of sick children it’s just a poor adult who can barely afford to train a couple/few times per month. Also would like some night vision and to have my e bike headlight in IR please. Thank you guys so much 😂👍
Love the concept and this video answered many of the questions l had. E-bikes would be excellent for quickly moving between positions, over terrain 4 wheel vehicles may find impassable.
Been thinking about it, since propane is good for ten years and you can put a massive tank on the property and even bury some, what about a propane motorcycle
Also, these are electric motorcycles, not e-bikes. Ebikes have pedals and will not move unless you pedal. There is a very real issue with calling them the same thing for trail access.
Most of the e-bikes nowadays have throttles and pedals. So legally just having pedals and a throttle is still considered an e-bike. I think the only problem is speed. Most legislation cap the maximum speed at 28 mph to still be classified as an e-bike.
National parks caps them at 750 watt motor with no throttle and functional peddles and top of 20mph. This rule is becoming more popular with various states. Some states there are different e-bike classes. The 1st one is what I described earlier minus the motor size, 2nd class has a throttle, class 3 is anything over 28 mph. Class 3 is illegal unless it’s registered as an electric motorized vehicle.
Battery tech just isnt there yet for me. With the range it allows on a charge, and with the diminishing returns youd get having to up a solar array in order to keep even a pair of these running off grid, the only use case i could see for these would be local short range patrols to ease usage of depleting gasoline reserves for your carbed adv bikes. And, at $5k each, thats quite a bit of additional fuel storage solution of the good stuff without ethanol, which should be able to keep shelf stable with additives much longer than ethanol. Over time, though you may be going nowhere you couldn't walk fast, the ebike could potentially still outlast that of gasoline reserves. That said, I think the use cases in grid down are very niche compared to your mk 1 legs.
I mountain bike & man, those e bikes are cheating! Im dying pedaling up a hill, breaking a sweat! Meanwhile a 65yo man comes flying past me in his electric bike lol.
Good point, theyre obviously electric motorcycles, whether they have pedals or not. But don’t go on mountain bike trails and pretend to be athletic while using a pedaled electric bike as a crutch.
The overall price and lack of legal places to ride in my state, unless you make it street legal is not worth the investment. Even if you make it street legal the lack of range to use it as motorcycle sucks.
They're cool, but at the price point I think a 250/300cc dual sport bike makes more sense. I'm sure these have their uses when you really need the stealth aspect in a tactical environment. Especially for some sort of a strike team using them for getting in and out quickly. And if you have the supply lines (extra batteries, generator, truck or whatever to transport you and the e-bike to be close) then they make a lot of sense. I still can't see or justify one of these right now. I have double to triple the range on my dual sport, more carrying capacity, more accessories available, quicker refueling, and it's road legal. Offroad-capable bikes have a lot of uses that I think we all overlook, because everyone gets caught up in the idea of a big truck. They're very capable of getting to some hard-to-reach places quickly - even more so when you start getting riding skills built up. They're also just loads of fun, get one, get in contact with a local group that does weekend adventure rides. Use your gear/pack and test them out during that period. Build that confidence and familiarity with the stuff that you plan on using in a hypothetical scenario.
I agree, my old Vstrom 650 was a little bit more expensive than those e ride pro bikes. But it was street legal, dual sport, better range and speed. That’s is the huge downfall of any electric motorcycle or e dirt bike, big price tag for limited range.
@@GoosetavoS42 that's how I feel too. Especially with the real issue of fueling capabilities. You can get fuel at almost any small town or on any large highway. It's not ideal, but a dualsport bike offers the option to travel pretty long distances through pretty nasty terrain. If there's a natural disaster or emergency a bike offers a mode of reasonably quick transportation through that. And if you're half-way smart and carry a fuel bottle or small gas can you can increase that range and also fill that up just about anywhere. An electric bike just doesn't have that capability and flexibility with things the way they are right now. Maybe eventually with improvements in technology in batteries and solar panels they will. I'm happy to let others be beta testers and improve this new stuff. It looks interesting and I'd like to try it out some time when it's more refined.
@@DevDog67 you can carry extra fuel at a fraction of the price and weight of spare battery and have better range. One of the electric motorcycles that is designed to be a dual sport has a quick detachable battery. I have no idea of the weight but it has wheels and extended handle like a suit case. A spare battery cost over $2k. The zero motorcycles you have the option of a bigger battery or faster charger either option is going to be over $2k. Electric motorcycles are cool, but price and range ain’t there. I am interested in the hybrid adventure motorcycle from Kawasaki. I believe hybrid vehicles are the better route for price and range. The best of both worlds.
Great video. I've been looking into these and other e-motos of the like. One thing I highly recommend is wearing gloves. Surprised with how prepped you 2 seem that you went OTB without wearing gloves. Edit: I see you recommend some at 13:45. Wear em brotha!
Awesome overview, still figuring out which bike I want to go for. As far as a dirty tournaquet, always made me laugh in the army when people would try and keep theirs clean and packaged instead of ready to do its job. Dirt is the least of your worries if you gotta use it
@@scottedwards3403 yes bet it won't let me link... Just look up 18650 spot welding or pack building. An even easier way would be to wire 6 12v 40ah batteries in series though. The only difference really is chemistry and shapes... Li poly vs phosphate
Got my first cheap used ebike, it was a smaller one (around the size of the jetson bolt). Thing only goes 15 mph, and STILL that thing can put you in your place REALLY quick... First time riding it, I ended up humping the horn button trying not to flip over the bars... throttle went uphill more than I expected, hand twisted more (whiskey throttle goes hard), reacted by clenching hand on the front break
Few things to always maintain. Ass over heels, head up, chest up, look ahead and break gently, when in doubt, ass behind rear wheel. Soft bend in your elbows @gmbn
Watch out for wire lines around trees while riding, especially at night. Absolutely lethal. Would probably be something to worry about in daily riding and especially in a SHTF situation.
Been looking at e-bikes for a while, mainly pedal with battery assist and preferably foldable to throw in a trunk / truck bed. And I hadn't thought about the Tactical applications for them. Speedwize, these will blow the ones I've been looking at out of the water, but as far as range, as long as you're willing to crank the pedals there's no stopping them. Further, some of the new models are two-wheel drive. As usual, thanks for helping everyone here to think outside the box.
I have a foldable e-bike and I think it will come in handy in a SHTF situation. I can power it with solar. Pedal it when the battery dies. It really is silent compared to what these guys are riding. And honestly it's plain enough that it won't attract as much attention as an electric dirt bike.
For people who want the actual numbers for their charge test: Bike - 2880wh battery - supposed to be able to charge at ~1000w an hour between 20-90% Jackery - 1002wh battery, was at 97% so it had ~971w - supposed output 1000w AC, but was charging the bike at ~825w Solar Panels (two 100w panels) - supposed to output ~160w on a full sun day (80w per panel) - was charging at an accumulative ~75w at the start So if you assume they continually got 75w from the panels: The jackery charged the bike's 2880wh battery from ~576wh to ~1440wh (864wh) by using its 971wh + 75wh (1046wh) from the panels. So that's a 82% efficiency, but if they rounded the charge percents on the bike when taking in the video, each 1% off accounts for ~29w or that 82% efficiency being off by 2.7%. For the bike charging on the wall, it would have been charging at ~720w for 2 hours (50% of 2880wh over 2 hours), which the battery happens to be a 72V battery so it charged for 2 hours at 10amps. Sounds like their wall plug or something else limited it to 10amps which they advertise 14amp charging (20% to 90% is 70% which is 1008w and that divides exactly 14 times into the 72V battery). The jackery would have charged it at 12amps exactly (864W÷72V).
Having a gas dirt bike means you can mount extra fuel cans to it on panniers, which extends the range potential dramatically. Wish you could do that with an electric bike, but these are stupid cool too.
You basically can . Some ebikes basically have saddlebags which you could store a charged battery in. All depends on what kind of bike though, mines pretty simple and has a small 12 volt battery that let's me go 20mph all the way up to 40 miles.
Mostly agree, but having a network of solar panels charging a large power bank is not a bad idea at all. The power bank might take a month to charge but it could power your whole house for a couple days if the power shuts down for whatever reason. At the very least it’s a back up supply to power your meat refrigerator so nothing spoils
You can refine oil and create gasoline on your own?? Wow you are very capable! How are you able to renew your gasoline since it’s not an issue for you?
@@taylorbagley1962 if you only knew the powers of the dark side! I'll bet my 24 year old Celica against any RC battery car out there for longevity and actual environmental cost anyway... Bring the stats broheim!
Just came through another flood, here in Vermont and my e-bike was my primary transportation after the water receded because I could always wrestle it across washouts. We never lost power, though. If that had happened, I wouldn’t be able to recharge the battery which gets me about 30mi on hilly terrain.
If y’all want some pouches, fender bags, number plate bags, handlebar bags, tool bags, and even a universal bottle bag (for your Nalgenes) made specifically for bikes check out Public Land Riders. I even repurposed 2 of their fender bags as side pouches strapped to the frame on either side of the controller on my Ultra Bee that fit in front of my knees when seated. You can load those bikes up and get more of that weight off your body and onto the bike so it’s less fatiguing. They come in Multicam, Multicam Black, Black, Tan, OD Green, and Grey. And they sell rubber straps for mounting. Repurposed a Viktos Upscale 2 sling bag into a tail bag. Hope it helps.
Also wanted to add that it’s ridiculous how capable these things are without having to shift or manage a clutch. I’ve got an 18/21” wheel setup and it puts the power down on hill climbs out here in AZ that I admittedly wouldn’t even try on a gas bike. Don’t have to worry about what gear I’m in or anything. Just torque right up. And the absolute best thing is no one can hear or smell you coming or going. I’ve accidentally snuck up on campsites at night. Loved y’all’s setup though. I understand your pistol choice for what you’re doing but for anyone just wanting a decent trail bike in the woods/mountains consider a 10mm. I’ve had a few close calls, especially at night, when your bike is so quiet it doesn’t scare animals away before you come up on them.
I don’t care about the charge time as much as I care about when someone says “the company says it’ll last 90 miles but more realistically it’ll be 50” that’s a massive difference
And then after two hours it did NOT charge from 20%-90%. It’s only charged to 70%, that is a much larger margin that we should be accepting from the company. Especially considering they’re almost brand new.
They advertise a distance range, which is dependent on environment, terrain, load, and how you ride. Which we found to be accurate to their description. The charging was slower than expected though.
How many batteries can I buy for 1k
Charging was inaccurate. I was told directly by eride it’s 20-90% in 3 hours. 20-100 in 4. I never heard 2.
@@bigfootracks2 a battery is about 2200$ for my bike, so half a battery
These are perfect if you need to do a wheelie during civil unrest.
I know the comment was sarcastic but just gonna throw this in. I remember seeing some special forces use dirt bikes in Afghanistan if i remember correctly locals were calling them "hells angels" apparently dirt bikes can run over IED's and even certain types of mines and not trigger them! Not to mention they are less likely to drive on to them since the tire width is smaller also would be great for fast operations in all kinds of difficult terrains. Also e-bikes are already being used in Ukraine for reconnaissance.
Sounds wheelie cool to me!
He its working for the Russians
Lmao
@percunos487 the USA military already contracted a semi stealth ebike with its main thing of 90 mph top speed and only 55db loudness, its best usecase is for reconnaissance in east asia where its ahrd to use flying stuff cause jungle and shit. and for fast tactical raid operations.
Next week: tactical Lime/Bird scooters for urban combat
That is actually one of my contingency escape plans from an urban environment if the roads are jammed.
I mean, even something like a Honda Ruckus has some real practicality in over-loaded tiny streets. 100 miles on one gallon. Heck you could stick a milk jug full of gas under the seat in a pinch, and double that.
You had me at scooter
You can fit two ppl on those if you “Titanic” that bish
@@bravotwozero535 Look into a Jetson. Its foldable also. Bought mine used twice for 300.
Biggest advantage is you can move quickly, silently.
Silently?? They edited out a pretty funky wine. It's not dirt bike loud, but not silent.
@@GrahamBartleI have a dirt bike, suzuki 400sm specifically for bugout. It's LOUD, the ebike my neighbor has at a distance I don't even hear him on it, meanwhile me, you can hear me almost a mile away.
The detection between ebike and gas is night&day.
In fact if I have to use hearing protection with gas bike because it's fking loud
And PISS off all the " we need oil!" Ignorant MAGA out there.
Not silent at all.
A slight disadvantage. If you run the e bikes too hard for too long they can catch fire
This is the type of content that you guys do best; introducing concepts and ideas that really haven't been touched based on yet or at the very least are niche and are now being brought out into the open. Your first dirt bike video, the homesteading one, gift ideas, alternative training methods with no ammo, etc. More of these videos please.
Spot on
Genghis Khan would think that setup is lit.
Horse still better probably
@@breckfreerideyou can eat the horse when it breaks 😎
@@L0wSkiller you can eat these too if your man enough en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Lotito
#heelies4heros
No he wouldn’t
You should either keep an extra belt or get a chain drive conversion for reliability. You could also upgrade to a GATES GT4 belt and install an extra belt around the midshaft for easy replacement.
Or get a talaria sting R. Chain driven, about $500 cheaper, and is only like 4 mph slower in top speed. About 15 lbs heavier though.
@@375Cheytac That's what I'm saying. For serious field use, gearbox bikes are going to be way more reliable than belt drive. I have beat the living hell out of my MX3, gone >1000 mi without oil change, it just keeps going. Tighten the chain, Slime your tires and the bike is good to go for a long, long time
@@375Cheytac exactly, but sometimes you have to make due with what you already have.
@@RDT_IR Definitely
Am I missing something, these specifically look to be chain driven?
I served in GUR Legion in Ukraine. We had something like this. They were game changers for recce's and ambushes. Plus they were fun as hell to whip around.
Back from the last video, actually got to see these things in use in a force on force exercise. Our (3d LAR) jump teams rode bikes out of the backs of LAV-LOGs (2 bikes per LOG, 4 Scouts to a pair). At night, the things are practically dead silent with a smaller overall signature than conventional bikes or 4x4 vehicles with better maneuverability. The downsides the scouts found were long charge times in comparison to standard refueling, reliability in sandy conditions, and increased risk with inexperienced riders or riding at night. Overall, we found out they were incredibly useful for reconnaissance.
Honestly? For long range operations, a serial hybrid would be dope as hell. You have the range and quick refuel of IC engines, torque of motors, and you can do silent mode on battery only for a few critical klicks.
Yeah I heard stories during my time at 1st LAR where these were used. Sounded lit, but too many scouts would hurt themselves on them so they canned it. Dope idea though
Recon Marines have adopted electronic dirtbikes for mid range reconnaissance missions, specifically the Zero MMX.
Yeah, those are awesome.
@dirty-civilian As the owner of a Zero FX(srreet legal civilian version) They are awesome in perfect, high grip conditions. There is no E-bike on the planet that does well in sand/loose conditions, and nothing kills a battery faster.
@jhock2781 perfect for the sandbox 😂
@@HenrikSherwood Haha. Yeah right. Only if you have the logistics to support it! The batteries weigh a ton and they take like 8 hours to charge.
@@jhock2781 That's where the US shines throughout history, logistics
Just opened my eyes to probably one of the most useful tools in the tactical realm. Both tactical and tacticool. Silent enough to easily lose a tail or conduct recon and light enough to attach to your jeep as a secondary. I probably wouldn't use it as a primary specifically for the load out limitations but as an attachable secondary or exploration tool or silent attack unit it's perfect. Definitely a winner with this one and now I'm looking into them lol
Yep, and that’s exactly how they’re being utilized by… dudes. 🤙
In shtf i would pull my camper where i wanted before all the gas went bad . Then just get around on a ebike . I got enough solar to charge it everyday on the camper .
@@avancalledrupert5130 People will take your camper.
@@gary7vn So will they do with gas pumps
“I’m gonna touch it one day” 😅 dude is speaking for all of us. This is a great part 2 of the sustainment bike video
E-Bikes are so awesome outdoors. I bought a Rad Power Rover 6 a few months ago, added some racks and bags and it's the perfect off road/bug out bike for under 2Gs.
You boys have been absolutely crushing the intros. Keep it up!
Funny story to humble myself... first day riding my Talaria, I didn't realize how much torque it had... first time I go to ride it, whiskey throttle, threw me over the bars and into a fence... still have a lump on my stomach 10 months later...
Could be a hernia sir! If it hurts get it looked at by a doctor! Big falls can do that. Humbling is how we learn, but hopefully you at least had fun!
@@alexlohan2988 Yeah my doc said it is probably a hernia but not to worry if it isn't causing pain
lol damn bro. I’ve whiskey throttled before but luckily the bike went out from under me I didn’t go over it
Bought an ebike for work commuting last year & I find myself using it at least 5x a week👍🏼 saving a stack on gas too
How far /fast do you go one way?
@@kuttinkuddy3905 I haven’t pushed it to the max but I can regularly ride up & down the coastline or to the next city, 20+ mile trips with elevation change. Never running out of battery 👍🏼 52 volt battery btw
@@kuttinkuddy3905 mine was originally governed at 28 mph but I unlocked it in the settings to 34 mph (on flat road)
Like that you explore all aspects of being prepared. Even when it’s on the outer edge of practicality. It still needs to be explored. .
I think its super practical for shtf. I have enough solar on my camper to charge it every day.
Keep em coming …love the content look forward to these videos every week
Glad you guys caught up I was saying ebikes are a great no noise solution for travel almost anywhere since the first video!
I'm glad y'all are talking about this I've been prepping for years and hunting since I was a teenager and I've Loved ebikes for how quickly they can get you into the field and out very quietly with storage capacity but they haven't gained much traction in these circles until recently
Great info as always. I really hope y'all can afford to give your videographer/editor a raise after this video cuz it looks so professional!
I 100 percent support this and I am happy about these guys. We can't be together but we're still with you and we'll do our part!
You guys definitely need to do an updated video on the changes you make. I’d love to get one, but use it as sort of a pack mule with the ability to throw a ruck on the back and carry some larger items if possible. Additionally it would be interesting to see what kind of changes that would bring to speed, handling, and distance.
great video. i rented an ebike on vacation at lake tahoe and i was so impressed i rented it the entire week and rode it instead of driving for the most part but mine was so light weight i could easily put it in the back of the truck. It even had a back rack and a version with a basket and even a pull behind rig all solutions to store extra stuff. The bike in the video would benefit from having storage options.
I ride a 23' KTM excf 500 with all the goodies. Loud and proud!! Im very interested to see what you two do to these bikes. Crushing the content guys. Keep up the great work!
Honestly bike like that would be pretty sweet, just muffle it so it's way quieter
It's got an aftermarket ECU with TacoMoto tunes in it and a FMF 4.1 muffler. I wanted to see what the bike was capable of and it does not disappoint! I've got all the factory parts sitting on the shelf and the OE muffler is pretty quiet at the cost of mid to top end power.
You guys hit a home run with this video content! The e-bikes and gear featured are fantastic. You guys keep putting out some awesome content-keep up the great work!
I like Drew's setup for how he's attempting to attach a bag, personally I'd like to see if there's a way to hard Mount a either aluminum or magnesium frame of tube on either side of where the rear wheel would be to potentially mount a sort of hard case storage options or even just like a flat rear panel to mount a full backpack onto to just keep it stabilized so you can dismount off of it if you need to. That being said it would be a really interesting concept to see how much wattage you would need from solar panels to charge for how long, wattage x Time = full charge, because if you are trying to do more a long-range reconnaissance role with using the spike it'd be an interesting concept to play around with to be able to just disconnect from your primary group go scout ahead by a day or two and then peel back
If you need extra storage
Here in the uk they have what we motorcyclists call a tank bag these are either magnetic or they strap on or both.
As for strapping stuff to the rear make sure the contents are light.
Any weight needs to be kept central as to not upset the balance of the bike. When I say central this is around the foot peg position so just in front where the tank would normally be or as you have your foot on a peg that triangle section just at the back of your legs but if getting these type of bags make sure left and right bag both weight the same as again not to upset the balance of the bike. If this is not followed what will happen the bike will feel different in left and right turns hence one bag weighing more let’s say the right bag the bike will tip in faster on a right handa.
Bikes are dangerous enough as they are don’t make it anymore dangerous make sure it’s balanced👍 top tip.
Spare parts would be a good idea to chains sprockets wheel bearings brake pads discs fuses suitable wire spare battery motor ect. How durable is the switch gear or bar controls??
So glad to see this topic, it's exactly what I was wondering about for the entire dirt bike video a while back 😆
I grew up racing motocross and desert. I've been doing the e-bike thing for quite a while, and I love it. I've been thinking about buying an all electric, I'm in the research phase still. I'm leaning towards either the E-Ride Pro SS or building it ground up. These bikes are rapidly catching up to the power of a good 250 dirt bike. People are modding them to be even faster. My number one concern is that the suspension is not going to keep up with the speed. People can get flying on one of these, but if they hit some whoops or serious rough terrain, I am not confident that suspension is going to play nice. I guess we'll see.
So, in Haditha in 2007(ish), the previous Marines had made a berm all the way around the 3 cities. We controlled all the traffic in and out of there.
When they built the berm, they took *every* motorcycle, because it gave the "insurgents" too much capability to move quickly.
Food for thought.
>took
What a nice word for robbery.
@@ЦзинКэ-ы5х I mean, I'm now an An-Cap, so I'm not gonna argue with you! :)
The hitch mount 600lb motorcycle hauler from Harbor freight works SWEET for these as well. Just did a 2000mile roadtrip with my Talaria on back, 90mph no problem. Lets you keep the pickup bed free for gear.
Big Like and hello from Ukraine! Watching you guys few years, great job 👏
Can you guys quit wasting US taxpayers money and stop supporting Zelensky. its as if youre going through another one of their holodomors.
Your guys videos quality is insane! Keep it up guys. I’m always waiting for your videos.
Tire patch kit is probably going to be a good idea to have too
Along the same lines, there is foam tubes that cannot go flat
E-moto are just straight up fun, regardless of anything else. Quiet, fast, light, and easy to load up. I've met more cool people in the last year than the previous 20 since I bought mine.
I'd like supplemental charging with solar panels. Sure not a lot of surface area for it but it could help with leaving it for a time to get another 10-20% charge while you do whatever to get back to it.
just got a couple of small folding fat tire ones, because i have a sedan, and i think it'll make it tons easier to get me, my kid, and our packs a few miles down the trail to our hunting spots and super increase our ability to hunt where there aren't a ton of other humans, all without making much noise.
As Someone who uses an ebike every day. They are cool and very convenient when you don't need to go very far, or you just want to have a little fun around the neighborhood
I commute on a Zero FX and while it is perfect for that and light off roading(If you can truck it to where you are riding), I couldn't imagine not also having a CRF450RL that can actually go places and is far more capable in the rough stuff.
I run a 72v 57ah battery in my talaria and can get 60-70 miles on a charge. not bad at all
Oh man, SO excited for future vids on these. Been eyeballing this for a while, then boom. One of my favorite channels drops a video on with promises of more?? Looks like I might actually have to start saving up to get one
What I would like to see is, test this in an overnighter outside. Get in the night under nods out of the city, finde and build shelter and get back in 🤞🏻
You read our minds. That’s one we have cooking.
@@dirty-civilian I’m so excited for this one! Great Content btw, just love from Germany 😘🤞🏻
The best prepared citizen video yet. This concept is awesome.
I want one so bad. All of this stuff gets so damn expensive. The list grows.
This is my favorite RUclips channel ever! Keep it up my dudes
Great video I just bought a surron and this video was perfect timing
How does the surron compare to this one?
@@mischifischi well for me personally my plan was to purchase a surron straight from china you save about a $1000 that way and then buy a upgraded controller and battery sell the stock battery and controller new and recoup a bit of my funds then i would be at about $6000 total (maybe) and have about 100 miles of range on average riding using a chi 72max and have slightly more power the the SS but if you want to just buy a bike and be done with it the SS is the way to go
@@Mountain_Armory thank you for your answer! Unfortunately im living in Germany and as far i know its not possible to get the SS street legal here. So my option is the Surron. The Surron is a little bit smaller compared to the SS it seems.
I went to Tennessee for vacation at Pigeon Forge. I had an absolute blast ripping up the smokies. Y'all have beautiful terrain, and I am quite jealous as a Texas boy.
Looool Drew’s random questions from his poncho shelter
These are great. I use these and an Electric Motion bike, but they are a bit noisy due to the motor and chain noise for quiet hunting. I use a geared rear hub motor with ferrofluid and hub sinks on a FUTR Stealth chassis if I really want stealth and similar decent speed. It is not as good at climbing, but you can use mountain bike parts for repairs whereas with Surron-type bikes only the suspension and brake parts are mountain bike compatible and they are pretty bad. With the setup I use, I can get the same range as a surron without pedalling, but if I pedal as well, I get a huge amount more range and the gears are super handy. With a geared hub motor I can pedal without the drag that a DD rear hub motor produces. The other positive is that it is cheaper to get built up with similar performance. I can get quality forks, rear suspension. brakes, cranks, etc for about the same price as a standard Surron. It is better than the crappy suspension, bars, brakes, etc. that Surrons come with standard. It handles better, brakes better, but you sacrifice the weight issue of the rear end. Just my 2 bob's worth.
Rear rack or ebike trailers are awesome
@16:54 when you fall don't stick out your hands! You'll learn but keep them into the body and let your shoulder hit first as the body rolls
Downside…. to use for hunting or fun at this moment you have to find a way to hard mount your rifle to the machine in a case if on fed/some state land…… easy fix! Old cowboy leather horse holster on the front fork
Just get a ATV rifle mount and put it on the handle bars
What? Is this really a “law” that sounds stupid. The government wants me to not maintain control of my weapon?
While a stupid law, that would look bitchin
@@basscannon762I think it’s another safety rule, kinda like using a rope to pull your weapon into the stand so you don’t fall with it and get impaled
‘Amped Bikes’ sells a rifle scabard specifically for these. Might be worth looking at.
I have the Storm Bee. 75 mph 104 volt 55 amp. Its a full size bike and it handles trails great. Pulls hills no problem
For about half the cost of one of these E-motocross styled crotch busters, a prepared individual can get into a commercial grade E-cargo style bike… they are insanely packable, very rugged and reliable (they have to be, they are used in some major cities as last mile delivery vehicles). The cargo bike design is usualy setup for comfortable riding, so hardcore off-roading at speed is not in the cards… but the truism of “Slow is Smooth, Smooth is Fa…” will prolly apply here…
I can see the use for one because they're pretty quiet. And they can cover a lot of ground quickly. Pretty handy for a get out of Dodge situation.
Subscribed for Mohammed Hoblos at 17:49 - GOLD hahaha
Check out the 72V RAWRR Mantis X, Electric Dirt Bike. Almost the same bike (a little slower) for $2900. Almost $2000 less expensive than the Eride.
this, alongside new electric paramotors, makes me super excited for future personal transportation
You guys are dialing in the memes and cutaways like studs, keep it up!
Bike pannier set up would be great.
Modern day Scout/Cavalry. The possibilities for guerilla warfare/hit and run tactics is pretty unlimited other than available charging locations. The speed and range these bikes offers is pretty amazing. Very cool video.
Can vouch that falling with a ballistic helmet will pull muscles in your neck, and having anything on the rails can cause it to grip and twist.
Yep! That’s why breakaway mounts are so important, better to lose NVGs or a helmet light rather than getting ganked
@@scottedwards3403 someone was deleting my replies in the other thread. You can look up 18650 pack spot welding or just wire up some 12v 40 ah packs in series...
@@breckfreeride the time and materials involved would very much make it cost prohibitive on top of it being very fickle and dangerous. That’s why I asked if YOU had any tutorials
@@scottedwards3403 ruclips.net/video/wyk_nxRJ9Hk/видео.htmlsi=JmU4Zo6Sm6-g9OJS
Why would I reinvent the wheel? There's so much information out there to find already. This is a safe and reliable setup if that concerns you and still very cheap.
Got a Talaria MX4 last week. A little quieter still then the bikes that use belts like EridePro and the Surron. Youll want handlebar risers and probably 21/18 wheel set if you are a tall rider. Aside from all the fun, it’s part of my current tsunami evac plan to get up a nearby mountain…
definitely was waiting on this ever since the dirtbike video. i see the e-bikes being more useful and quieter than traditional gas powered bikes
Same
Sure because you gonna have time to charge your electric moped, instead top up your diesel bike.
@@alphaenterprise2232 until when shit hits the fan and there are no diesel gas stations 😂😂
@@sashaaalolll when shit hits a fan you will try to scavenge fuel from abandoned trucks, instead staying in the open for your solar battery to recharge, on top of that travelling with such thing will be pain the ass if you can attach 2 jerry cans instead.
@@alphaenterprise2232 that’s the thing. it’s renewable, it doesn’t run out. gas does.. that’s the problem everyone has been talking abt
Loved how you covered the bike with the mesh!
I like that they are quiet, fast, light weight, easy to maintain, and can be fuelled by multiple electric sources. Add some extra batteries and you can pull a bike trailer full of gear anywhere.
I’m relatively new to your channel and had thoroughly enjoyed everything I’d watched so far before today. Tonight I binged watched a bunch and totally forgot about BKFC. You hooked me. You guys are really good at this. You work so well together the chemistry is beautiful to watch. You guys also offer very logical and “realistic” expectations of things, in context so a fella like me can apply that to his life/situation . Even your Alex Jones skit while insanely funny and “extreme” was on point with all the data.
I’ve been on the market for an e-bike for a couple of years but have a few hang ups keeping me from making a purchase. These bikes are impressive though I’m very interested.
You’re quickly becoming one of my top 10 favorite Chanel’s. Hell top 5 !!!
So, in conclusion, thank you for your EXCELLENT and informative content.
Much love, thank you, God Bless, Jesus is King, and they really did turn the frogs gay 🤫
I’d like an electric bike. I love the idea of having a dirt bike for a SHTF scenario but would be cool to have something that can’t be heard from miles away. If you ever wanna do something like “Make A Wish” except instead of sick children it’s just a poor adult who can barely afford to train a couple/few times per month. Also would like some night vision and to have my e bike headlight in IR please. Thank you guys so much 😂👍
Love the concept and this video answered many of the questions l had. E-bikes would be excellent for quickly moving between positions, over terrain 4 wheel vehicles may find impassable.
ive been wanting to get this exact bike since it came out
I’ve been waiting for so long for the return of bikes on here
Been thinking about it, since propane is good for ten years and you can put a massive tank on the property and even bury some, what about a propane motorcycle
Way better than any gun review out in the past few months. Genuinely impressed.
Also, these are electric motorcycles, not e-bikes. Ebikes have pedals and will not move unless you pedal. There is a very real issue with calling them the same thing for trail access.
Most of the e-bikes nowadays have throttles and pedals. So legally just having pedals and a throttle is still considered an e-bike. I think the only problem is speed. Most legislation cap the maximum speed at 28 mph to still be classified as an e-bike.
National parks caps them at 750 watt motor with no throttle and functional peddles and top of 20mph. This rule is becoming more popular with various states. Some states there are different e-bike classes. The 1st one is what I described earlier minus the motor size, 2nd class has a throttle, class 3 is anything over 28 mph. Class 3 is illegal unless it’s registered as an electric motorized vehicle.
Ok we’re going to buy some of these for our team and make some videos 🔥
god damn that flow556k is loud
It's not much louder than other cans but waaaay less gas in your face and don't have to tune pews... Worth it
awesome idea we are looking into them now for the retreat
Battery tech just isnt there yet for me. With the range it allows on a charge, and with the diminishing returns youd get having to up a solar array in order to keep even a pair of these running off grid, the only use case i could see for these would be local short range patrols to ease usage of depleting gasoline reserves for your carbed adv bikes.
And, at $5k each, thats quite a bit of additional fuel storage solution of the good stuff without ethanol, which should be able to keep shelf stable with additives much longer than ethanol.
Over time, though you may be going nowhere you couldn't walk fast, the ebike could potentially still outlast that of gasoline reserves. That said, I think the use cases in grid down are very niche compared to your mk 1 legs.
Diesel doesn't go bad... Just saying
@@breckfreeride which is another reason we really need that diesel klr Hayes promised us 20 years ago.
@@Grimm0351 I'd take one for sure
I’d been considering something like this over gas powered the day before your video dropped - great stuff as always - keep killin’ it!
I mountain bike & man, those e bikes are cheating! Im dying pedaling up a hill, breaking a sweat! Meanwhile a 65yo man comes flying past me in his electric bike lol.
Good point, theyre obviously electric motorcycles, whether they have pedals or not. But don’t go on mountain bike trails and pretend to be athletic while using a pedaled electric bike as a crutch.
That all happens until their Batteries die. And they don't last much longer than a year in my experience.
The overall price and lack of legal places to ride in my state, unless you make it street legal is not worth the investment. Even if you make it street legal the lack of range to use it as motorcycle sucks.
You could add an emergency splint in your gear set up while riding and a folding walking stick so if you do break a leg you can still trek out.
They're cool, but at the price point I think a 250/300cc dual sport bike makes more sense.
I'm sure these have their uses when you really need the stealth aspect in a tactical environment. Especially for some sort of a strike team using them for getting in and out quickly. And if you have the supply lines (extra batteries, generator, truck or whatever to transport you and the e-bike to be close) then they make a lot of sense.
I still can't see or justify one of these right now. I have double to triple the range on my dual sport, more carrying capacity, more accessories available, quicker refueling, and it's road legal.
Offroad-capable bikes have a lot of uses that I think we all overlook, because everyone gets caught up in the idea of a big truck. They're very capable of getting to some hard-to-reach places quickly - even more so when you start getting riding skills built up.
They're also just loads of fun, get one, get in contact with a local group that does weekend adventure rides. Use your gear/pack and test them out during that period. Build that confidence and familiarity with the stuff that you plan on using in a hypothetical scenario.
Definitely a small moto.
I agree, my old Vstrom 650 was a little bit more expensive than those e ride pro bikes. But it was street legal, dual sport, better range and speed. That’s is the huge downfall of any electric motorcycle or e dirt bike, big price tag for limited range.
@@GoosetavoS42 that's how I feel too. Especially with the real issue of fueling capabilities. You can get fuel at almost any small town or on any large highway.
It's not ideal, but a dualsport bike offers the option to travel pretty long distances through pretty nasty terrain. If there's a natural disaster or emergency a bike offers a mode of reasonably quick transportation through that. And if you're half-way smart and carry a fuel bottle or small gas can you can increase that range and also fill that up just about anywhere.
An electric bike just doesn't have that capability and flexibility with things the way they are right now. Maybe eventually with improvements in technology in batteries and solar panels they will.
I'm happy to let others be beta testers and improve this new stuff. It looks interesting and I'd like to try it out some time when it's more refined.
@@DevDog67 you can carry extra fuel at a fraction of the price and weight of spare battery and have better range. One of the electric motorcycles that is designed to be a dual sport has a quick detachable battery. I have no idea of the weight but it has wheels and extended handle like a suit case. A spare battery cost over $2k. The zero motorcycles you have the option of a bigger battery or faster charger either option is going to be over $2k.
Electric motorcycles are cool, but price and range ain’t there. I am interested in the hybrid adventure motorcycle from Kawasaki. I believe hybrid vehicles are the better route for price and range. The best of both worlds.
Great video. I've been looking into these and other e-motos of the like. One thing I highly recommend is wearing gloves. Surprised with how prepped you 2 seem that you went OTB without wearing gloves.
Edit: I see you recommend some at 13:45. Wear em brotha!
5.11 "most of the stuff they make is super cringe." Lol. Somebody said it
“Do you want a Walmart quality bag but pay 170$, boy do I have the company for you”
I bought a pair of 511 gloves because they fit really good, and ripped off the wrist strap as soon as I got home lol
Awesome overview, still figuring out which bike I want to go for. As far as a dirty tournaquet, always made me laugh in the army when people would try and keep theirs clean and packaged instead of ready to do its job. Dirt is the least of your worries if you gotta use it
FFFFFFFF I've wanted one so bad for so long but I just can't justify a $5k ebike while its currently for fun/'prep'. Especially without the land.
It's not that hard to build your own... Definitely not worth 5k in parts... Maybe 1500
@@breckfreeridethat battery alone is $2000 bro you have no idea what youre talking about 😂
@@wesmolive wow your Amazon skills are strong... Bet you didn't know you could build the same thing with 250 ish 18650 cells for about 700 bucks...
@@breckfreerideyou got a tutorial video?
@@scottedwards3403 yes bet it won't let me link... Just look up 18650 spot welding or pack building. An even easier way would be to wire 6 12v 40ah batteries in series though. The only difference really is chemistry and shapes... Li poly vs phosphate
These look siiiiick! Just got my kids 2 ebox 2.0's, so I may need to pick one up to chase them around!
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Got my first cheap used ebike, it was a smaller one (around the size of the jetson bolt). Thing only goes 15 mph, and STILL that thing can put you in your place REALLY quick...
First time riding it, I ended up humping the horn button trying not to flip over the bars... throttle went uphill more than I expected, hand twisted more (whiskey throttle goes hard), reacted by clenching hand on the front break
Few things to always maintain.
Ass over heels, head up, chest up, look ahead and break gently, when in doubt, ass behind rear wheel. Soft bend in your elbows @gmbn
Watch out for wire lines around trees while riding, especially at night. Absolutely lethal. Would probably be something to worry about in daily riding and especially in a SHTF situation.
Is there any way to counter a wire line? I think the only way you could would to only travel slow.
Why would you ride around with no gloves? Ever fallen on asphalt with bare hands? It isnt a good time...
Been looking at e-bikes for a while, mainly pedal with battery assist and preferably foldable to throw in a trunk / truck bed. And I hadn't thought about the Tactical applications for them. Speedwize, these will blow the ones I've been looking at out of the water, but as far as range, as long as you're willing to crank the pedals there's no stopping them. Further, some of the new models are two-wheel drive. As usual, thanks for helping everyone here to think outside the box.
I have a foldable e-bike and I think it will come in handy in a SHTF situation. I can power it with solar. Pedal it when the battery dies. It really is silent compared to what these guys are riding. And honestly it's plain enough that it won't attract as much attention as an electric dirt bike.
For people who want the actual numbers for their charge test:
Bike
- 2880wh battery
- supposed to be able to charge at ~1000w an hour between 20-90%
Jackery
- 1002wh battery, was at 97% so it had ~971w
- supposed output 1000w AC, but was charging the bike at ~825w
Solar Panels (two 100w panels)
- supposed to output ~160w on a full sun day (80w per panel)
- was charging at an accumulative ~75w at the start
So if you assume they continually got 75w from the panels:
The jackery charged the bike's 2880wh battery from ~576wh to ~1440wh (864wh) by using its 971wh + 75wh (1046wh) from the panels. So that's a 82% efficiency, but if they rounded the charge percents on the bike when taking in the video, each 1% off accounts for ~29w or that 82% efficiency being off by 2.7%.
For the bike charging on the wall, it would have been charging at ~720w for 2 hours (50% of 2880wh over 2 hours), which the battery happens to be a 72V battery so it charged for 2 hours at 10amps. Sounds like their wall plug or something else limited it to 10amps which they advertise 14amp charging (20% to 90% is 70% which is 1008w and that divides exactly 14 times into the 72V battery). The jackery would have charged it at 12amps exactly (864W÷72V).
Having a gas dirt bike means you can mount extra fuel cans to it on panniers, which extends the range potential dramatically. Wish you could do that with an electric bike, but these are stupid cool too.
You basically can . Some ebikes basically have saddlebags which you could store a charged battery in. All depends on what kind of bike though, mines pretty simple and has a small 12 volt battery that let's me go 20mph all the way up to 40 miles.
E-Bikes for situations where electricity may not be available? Hmm.
Solar generator?
Electricity is so easy to generate compared to getting your hands on oil
Production value here is excellent.
Renewables are crap... The quiet and light weight is all i care for!
Mostly agree, but having a network of solar panels charging a large power bank is not a bad idea at all. The power bank might take a month to charge but it could power your whole house for a couple days if the power shuts down for whatever reason. At the very least it’s a back up supply to power your meat refrigerator so nothing spoils
being able to charge it without a generator or power plant would be great for preppers, no?
You can refine oil and create gasoline on your own?? Wow you are very capable!
How are you able to renew your gasoline since it’s not an issue for you?
@@taylorbagley1962 if you only knew the powers of the dark side! I'll bet my 24 year old Celica against any RC battery car out there for longevity and actual environmental cost anyway... Bring the stats broheim!
@@SnackPack913 my solar inverter took a crap over a month ago... Under warranty... Still no replacement. You can't fix Stoopid!
Just came through another flood, here in Vermont and my e-bike was my primary transportation after the water receded because I could always wrestle it across washouts. We never lost power, though. If that had happened, I wouldn’t be able to recharge the battery which gets me about 30mi on hilly terrain.
I think the lifetime of the battery makes this a poor investment in a 5 year span
Update: I bought one. It's fucking sick
If y’all want some pouches, fender bags, number plate bags, handlebar bags, tool bags, and even a universal bottle bag (for your Nalgenes) made specifically for bikes check out Public Land Riders.
I even repurposed 2 of their fender bags as side pouches strapped to the frame on either side of the controller on my Ultra Bee that fit in front of my knees when seated.
You can load those bikes up and get more of that weight off your body and onto the bike so it’s less fatiguing. They come in Multicam, Multicam Black, Black, Tan, OD Green, and Grey. And they sell rubber straps for mounting.
Repurposed a Viktos Upscale 2 sling bag into a tail bag. Hope it helps.
Also wanted to add that it’s ridiculous how capable these things are without having to shift or manage a clutch. I’ve got an 18/21” wheel setup and it puts the power down on hill climbs out here in AZ that I admittedly wouldn’t even try on a gas bike. Don’t have to worry about what gear I’m in or anything. Just torque right up.
And the absolute best thing is no one can hear or smell you coming or going. I’ve accidentally snuck up on campsites at night.
Loved y’all’s setup though. I understand your pistol choice for what you’re doing but for anyone just wanting a decent trail bike in the woods/mountains consider a 10mm. I’ve had a few close calls, especially at night, when your bike is so quiet it doesn’t scare animals away before you come up on them.