We Ride the new train and it BROKE DOWN.
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- After the new Class 230s trains entered service on the Mid-Wirral or Borderlands Line, we took a journey to the edge of the peninsula to see what they are like.
After waiting a few months to cover this new transport host we were hoping to avoid any teething problems that are realistically inevitable, how ever this pre-planning did not work.
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It’s a good looking train, especially with the red roof.
Yes it does look good
Personally, I'd prefer the Borderlands line to be a regular (every 15 minutes) Merseyrail Service, with additional stations such as Woodchuch, Noctorum and Beechwood. I've longed for that all my life. But it's never been done.
I'd wish that myself. I would use them all the time then.
With the new battery powered merseyrail trains coming onto the wirral soon this will probably happen in the next few years
Rode one yesterday on my way back to Liverpool from Wrexham and because it was delayed by half an hour (hardly surprised tho given the units' poor track record), it actually ran non-stop to Bidston from Wrexham General which was interesting. Good thing I was travelling end-to-end anyway, but it must have been super annoying to those who needed to get to one of the intermediate stops en-route. Otherwise, they're nice units for what they do and I especially love how quiet they were inside to the point where you can't tell it was diesel powered.
How long did it take non-stop?
@@johnburns4017 I think about 50 minutes or so
It's GREEN, enough said.
Diesel isn't green. But if they ran it on old chip fat ...
The Borderlands Line has a proposed Deeside station. If built this should be the interchange station between Merseyrail 777s and the Welsh 230s, where they both terminate. For now battery 777s can terminate at Heswall, as that is inside the Liverpool City Region and easy to form a termination point - Neston is on an embankment. Heswall is also under the remit of the metro-mayor while Neston is in West Cheshire, so politically easy to get Heswall, Upton and Bidston direct central Birkenhead and Liverpool services.
Taking Merseyrail Class 777s to Wrexham is a daft idea as south of Deeside only 2 train per hour are permitted because for freight movements. Liverpool City Region want Merseyrail to be a walk up service, which means 15 minute services (no timetable needed). So 4 into 2 does not go. Also most of the Borderlands Line is inside Wales as are most stations. Why should the Liverpool City Region pay for a metro in Wales when these trains can be used inside the region, of which there are many cases to introduce rail on redundant trackbeds and tunnels.
I suspect this situation will turn out like the 60's tower blocks did.
I’m all for recycling, even old train units . Along with brand new
The Class 230s cannot enter the Merseyrail tunnels and stations as they carry inflammable diesel. I believe they are also too long for the Wirral Loop.
Probably the most unreliable trains on the UK network. Why they have insisted on pressing ahead with this failed 230 project remains to be seen.
Time will tell.
The concept is sound, unfortunately the diesel power packs have been a perennial problem and not helped by pollen intake.
@@TheWirralChannel 769s are more unreliable than the 230s.
they look amazing
I heard they were trying to get the new trains in service on the West Kirby line in time for The Open, don’t hold your breath through.
Merseyrail have only had them in their possession for 3 years….
We did a video witnessing the first every new train on merseyrail tracks. It's amazing how long it's taken for them to be in service.
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"More than just a journey"
Fairly sure that the d-stock used to have buttons to open the doors when they were first built
They're probably just for closing the doors at termini to keep the heat in, not for actually opening the doors
@@hesterclapp9717 they used to have open door buttons before
They did, but the push buttons were only operational during the winter months, to try and keep the heat in! During the summer, they were overridden, and all doors used to open. Subsequent refurbishment saw them removed.
@@ianmcclavin Before they were removed, did they also have doors close buttons on the inside?
Nice to see one in service other than parked up at birkenhead North T.M.D
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I’ve seen a few of these sitting Birkenhead North depot when I’m travelling to work on the old rolling-stock. So are you saying these are refitted carriages? I read the new rolling-stock we’re getting on the Wirral line was manufactured in Switzerland.
The Wirral line trains are the new ones built in Switzerland. But the bidston to Wrexham trains like the one in the video were ex London underground trains and have be refitted by a company called viva rail.
@@TheWirralChannel I’m guessing then, the Swiss built ones are actually owned by Merseyrail rather than renting them. There seems to be a lot of renting the rolling-stock because of the way everything was carved up after privatisation.
Not sure if they are rented or owned
They're finally running these then? They seem to have been parked up a Birkenhead North for a long time
Yes started running in April
Sad that Vivarail isn’t there anymore but the Class 230s and Class 484s are still going. Will Vivarail ever return and to continue on converting the old former London Underground D78 Stocks that would be useful for branch line services.
And perhaps to restart using the London Northwestern Railway Class 230s on the Marston Vale Line. And GWR to start introducing the battery powered Class 230 on the West Ealing-Greenford line.
Yes, I hope they have better long term success with these units on The Wirral than they had on the Marston Vale Line. There's still currently no train service at all there, only hourly replacement buses. They're now talking about train services starting to resume there in August, peaks only to begin with, and with Class 150's, not these.
Hope it does happen. Vivarail should of still continued on converting the Ex-LU D78 Stocks if they didn't go into administration. Very sad that they did. 😢
GWR bought the assets of Vivarail so there can be more converted D stock.
@@Listenerandlearner870
As it stands none will be converted.
Marston Vale was taken out of service because they were leased trains.
the big issue with these trains is that they’re extremely cheap and underpowered. new trains can be done right (at least with regards to reliability) and the likes of the desiro city prove that
They do what they are supposed to do.
@@johnburns4017 are they supposed to break down??
@@jos4669
Your post was not about braking down.
@@johnburns4017 the video was, and the issues i described in my comment have been the causes of breakdowns. the 230s were very unreliable and that was the main reason why LNWR didnt take them on after vivarail went bust. they’re not particularly good trains.
@@jos4669
The vid was about the train, but it broke down when they were using it.
_"they’re not particularly good trains."_
Time will tell.
They aren't new. They're the old D-stock from The District Line. They've been around for about 40-50 years.
Thanks for watching. As mentioned at the start of the video they are old d stock trains. But new to the mid Wirral line.
@@TheWirralChannel Fair enough.
Nice film but a shame you didn't film in the drivers cab when the guard joined him
Yes that would have been very informative.
Wait. How were they able to make the D stock open gangway?
Vivarail refitted the trains. They may have more info.
shows how much you DONT know!!
THE 230 IS A NEW TRAIN! the only remaining D78 parts is the bodyshell & chasis rest is new!!!!!
That is a lot of old train then. The wheels, axles, etc are the old stock.
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Aren`t these the units with a Ford Transit engine ?
They are Ford engines.
Yep. The engine turns only a generator which provides electricity for the electric motors.
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