what’s up every body, hope you all enjoy the video. this one’s a bit more of a chill video than usual - I’m cooking up some bangers so just you wait. what do you think about the current Dr Who? do you think it’ll be okay like it always is, do you think it might go the way of the dodo, do you agree with me that a lot of their marketing and branding decisions have been very silly recently but there’s still time and enough leeway for them to pull it back? either way, I love this show and I wish the best for it always and forever
While I do think RTD is this a great single-story writer, I think we really do need Steven Moffat to take control of the story arc. The last seasons build up was basically non existent (partly because of the series length, like seriously, it was tiny)but I think the finale was way too abrupt.Although , as I said, I thought the single episodes were exceptional.
@@Everythingcovered-ee5fo I think we need new blood instead of playing hot-potato passing the show between the same people over and over again. Looking at existing guestwriters for the show, I think Jamie Mathieson has a pretty solid body of work.
I think the silliest thing RTD's said so far was about the Space Babies -> Devil's Chord timeskip where he was like "only obsessed fans would think 6 actual months passed in-universe, what actually happened is that the TARDIS rewrote history so Ruby was from late summer, and also this explains UNIT dating."
I would very much like to hear your proof that Russell is trying to copy other Netflix shows and other things you mentioned- like maybe in a future video or something:)
I believe Russel has taken a miss-step. Very much enjoyed the fantastical elements of the time war and the cosmic horror of the RTD universe, but it only worked when shrowded in mystery and away from Humanity. The current fantasy element requires us to forget the sci fi elements of the show and just have not been as strong as the more heavily Sci Fi moffat era or the tuned down fantasy of the RTD era. I feel the larger buget has meant a lot of the character work of previous eras and creative thinking to endure with the shoe string budget is gone. I feel like the Tardis design says a lot about the show. The RD1 TARDIS being homely and a bit of fun mess. The Moffat TARDIS as refined and cold. The new TARDIS feels sleek, expensive but lifeless.
The Moffat TARDIS felt more like a home, it confirms that the companions sleep there. I think Time War was better explored in the Moffat era, in the RTD era it was pure romance and Rose.
@mayotango1317 probably talking about 11s second(and 12s) cus there all metelly and grey but 12s hade books and a yellow light instead of blue so a little but more Holly
Do you know what, I genuinely wouldn’t even be surprised if the Christmas special is marketed as coming out y’know … on Christmas Day and then it legit releases at midnight between Christmas Eve and Christmas Day with no warning 💀 I WOULDNT PUT IT PAST THEM
I hate to say it, but as of now I'm unbothered about the future of the show. If it was announced their will be no season 3 tomorrow, I don't think it would affect me much either way, other than thinking about the missed opportunity we had here. The hype was there coming into the 60th anniversary, and from then until now we've just had SO MANY missteps. Ranging from the time the episodes have aired, to the order they've aired in, to the up and down quality per episode and so on. I wish we could have a redo and start this new era again, I want to love this show so much and it really does suck that this chance for a fresh start was wasted! :(
I feel the same way (although ofc I think I preferred Series 14 a lot more to you.) How many missteps can they make before we're like 'okay well, you messed it up for yourself' lol. I would be real sad with no s3, but that's because I love dr who and am always sad when there is no dr who. A redo of this era with the correct marketing, branding, format etc would be the dream- so close to success, but not quite there
@@mayotango1317 How intellectually dishonest do you have to be to dismiss any valid criticism of the show as ‘Tennant fanboyism’? Embarrassing yourself.
I think what doctor who really needs (and this is just my opinion) is a whole new writing team. An issue I've been having with the show for years now is I find it feels stale. The episode concepts are all very similar. For example you have the: abandoned location episodes, the aliens invading London episodes, the aliens changing human history episodes and the Universe blows up and get reset again episodes.
I think we get Season 3 regardless of Disney, if they do back out (it’s coming eventually, just a matter of when) then Bad Wolf will just trim the budget down a bit and move forward. The 60th specials were shot without Disney funding, and then sort of backdated into the deal. I can see that happening with Season 3: getting it started first before the money comes in
I think it's just becoming increasingly clear how bad the Disney deal is. It's favoring the American audience, which, as an American, is a huge mistake. We don't watch Doctor Who because it's relatable, we watch it because it's quintessentially British. It feels like they're trying to reach out to a new audience that won't be very receptive while ignoring their home audience which is already dropping off considerably. I know a lot of people don't like to talk about it, but the politics are just bad too. It feels like Disney wants a certain political quota and Russell seems more than happy to meet that quota. It's hard for me to watch as someone who happens to not be politically aligned with Disney and Doctor Who, but I just feel like it hasn't been this bad, and it doesn't help that the culture war is in full force. I think what Doctor Who needs to do is cut back its spending, regroup around its home audience, and it will naturally grow internationally if it's good quality TV, something that is definitely missing right now. It needs to be something totally unique, which imo Season 1 isn't. It's trying to copy the Disney+ streaming format originally pioneered by Stranger Things and it doesn't work.
To be honest the bbc is just as bad. Take a look at their diversity goals vs the population dynamics in the UK. I'm not anti diversity, or diverse story's, the contrary really, but I want the story's and actors skills first, not an agenda. For you though, have you heard of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy? I think the 80s TV series has a lot of that quintessentially brittish charm you were talking about
I swear I remember when the episode count was first announced and the immediate dissatisfaction from some parts of the community. RTD responded with a sort of “we’ll get there we just need to get ourselves on our feet again” sort of sentiment. I mean tbh we’ll see. I can’t deny, I’m not as buzzed about the show and haven’t been for a number of years. But here’s hoping things turn around in the next couple years 🤷🏻♂️
A huge problem is Ncuti's future. In Nov he is performing in theatre for approx 9 weeks. An actor like that will not hang around for production on a season if a decision is not made until S2 is finished. That leaves us with one stinking problem. If production doesn't start soon in 2025 the only thing in RTD'S back pocket is the spin-off for 2026. I'm seeing possibilities of specials like S4 in (Xmas) 2026 & holiday specials in 2027 👀
Just the usual gap-year with 2 Christmas specials back to back - x-mas 2025 & x-mas 2026, because the 2nd season is still waiting for us - or the 15th series with the 15th Doctor😛because all the David Tennant Specials did not get a numbering...
I'm American and I think they should stop prioritizing simultaneous releases in every region. A minority of fans having to avoid spoilers for a few hours should probably be considered less important than having the majority of fans either have to stay up late to watch it or potentially having to avoid spoilers for longer until they can watch it at a decent time.
As much as I worry about the very clear misteps they are making with this new era, I'm not afraid of another wilderness years. It will not happen. IP is the name of the game these days, and as long as the BBC has their hands on Dr Who they will try to continue the series.
About Netflix: I'm against it. I don't think dropping whole seasons at once works for Doctor Who, and it's the only way Netflix releases its shows (unless they split the season, which isn't something I want for Doctor Who either). I'm a Disney+ defender (the Star Originals are great and I don't live in the UK), but the best alternative would be HBO: premium branding plus a weekly release schedule. About reducing the episodes to 20 minutes: seems perfect on a first glance, except that A) most twenty minutes are ballooning into 30-40 minute shows (The Bear springs to mind-it's on Disney+!), and B) they have short season orders. 10 20-minute episodes per season would be worse for Doctor Who than 8 40-minute episodes (though I think, for this era 1h episodes should be the standard).
If you ask me specifically: I say NO streaming service. It's dumb and self-destructive. If you ask me between Netflix and Disney Plus, I will choose Netflix. If they dropped it in batches (Space Babies, Devil's Chord, Boom | 73 Yards, Dot and Bubble, Rogue | Legend of Ruby Sunday, Empire of Death) I wouldn't be totally onboard, but I'd still say it has a better chance of succeeding, than it being on D+
@@dwfan91- I mean, IDEALLY, they'd just sell it to other public broadcasting corporations around the world. I know they had a deal like that with Germany's ARD up until the Disney+ deal, but that's just one country (one where I don't live).
I really just wanted this season to at least have 2 more episodes. One of the reasons I hated The Empire of Death is that it felt like it ended an hour too early, which really annoyed me. Also, the finale in general felt lazy as hell. It was like The Giggle, where everything is really good, but then the ending kind of ruins it maybe if rtd had more episodes to work with the finale wouldn’t have felt as rushed as it was.
Thinking back on the Episode Count: If we're only getting 8 Episodes a year, it is not enough for a season. I'd rather have a Special every few months with a slightly longer runtime over the course of a year than just 2 months of undercooked and time-restricted episodes every week at midnight.
Yeah, the midnight release time is horrible. I was ruined of the reveal of Suekeh because I opened RUclips for less than 30 seconds and still kinda mad about it. I had a 50% chance it was him but still, I didn't figure that out myself 😢 I going to wait for season 2 before I make up my mind about how Doctor Who is going as I feel like many plot threads are left in the 2nd seasom on purpose. Overall I enjoyed Season 1 but agree with your points.
I hope the reavel for rubys mother was a lie and she's actually next season they reveal why should could make it snow and why her mother pointed at the tardis instead of making a stupid reason that's hopefully nit the actual reason
@@Pat12379 don't mind her mother being a "random person". However, I do agree they need to address why she makes it snow. Again I blame Russell for making us think Ruby's story is over when it's not over. He should've made it clear that more will be explained in series 2. I just assumed she would be like Martha and only turn up sometimes, not that there's more of her character. Also yeah her pointing at that sign made no sense, I thought she would be pointing at either the doctor or the Tardis.
I'm with you on the return to the Classic Who format. It's weird people think returning to that format would also mean that the show would return to a slower pace like classic TV shows tend to be. It's 2024! Obviously writers in 2024 are not going to write at the same pace as writers in 1964! I doubt it will ever happen though, but it would be nice. I kind of think for the 60th anniversary they should have broken up the specials into 20 to 25 minute episodes like Classic Who just to see how it would work today. It would have been the perfect time to test it out. Love the content as always!
It also be cost effective as Season 7 proved. You get a bunch of episodes to air for several weeks and get people wondering what the next chapter will entail. Just one problem: We actually need a good showrunner and a team of writers.
@@rayvenkman2087 I always wondered why they don't utilize the Big Finish audio writers and turn some of them into TV writers. I think they've done it with a couple, but there's so many great writers at Big Finish that really get the show.
I agree with Disney and the BBC basically sabatoging this through marketing and release schedule. I think the finale being a little less than satisfying didn't leave it on the best note either. I think if they want the worldwide audience, they need to get at least all of the revival show on Disney+. With how this has performed so far though, I expect a classic third season and specials to finish it out. I'd bet Disney pulls out after that or maybe earlier and BBC will possibly cancel it. Not sure where they think they'd go after that. The production value is so high right now and beyond partnering with Netflix I don't see them upping that. I don't see them doing a complete reinvent of the show soon enough to prevent cancellation. So I think it'll be 3 seasons and specials and then it'll get temporarily cancelled. They'd already be planning to bring it back at some point though.
I don’t think the show will be ‘axed’ axed- maybe it will be, I don’t know for sure- but I think it’d be rather foolish, especially in this age for the BBC to cancel their biggest and last IP left. Dr Who, even this new Dr Who can survive without Disney. The 60th Specials werent made with outside involvement so we know it can be done. Best case scenario, Season 3 goes on ahead, maybe as a series of specials without Disney involvement
This channel is a comfort zone for me rn with everyone up in arms about S14/RTD2. I agree with you completely. I had a great time and was thoroughly entertained.
S14 was very lazily written. RTD is clearly on coast mode and his worst tendencies are on display. We should expect more from the show instead of just accepting the slop because it's familiar
@@pickles168 Calling S14 "slop" is incredibly arrogant. I didn't say it was perfect, but I had a great time with it. Every season has elements to be criticized.
So we get 9 episodes 45 minute episodes a year. Imagine 5 x 80 minute long episodes, spread across a year (New Year, Easter, July, Halloween, Christmas). I think this would create a hype year round for the show. Ditching the season format would have other benefits. Fake out deaths like Ruby’s in Boom have no effect because I’m there like “this is episode 3, she’ll be fine”, although they’d definitely just save all the consequential stuff for Christmas anyway 😭😭 Also they need to get a grip on the leaks when Season 3 or god forbid “Season 1 of NetflixWho” comes around. Tbh I’m not sure I could see multi part 20 minute serials as event TV, but I know that’s just the Gen Z brainrot in me 😞 Keep up with the peak content 🙌
We're coming at the problem at two different angles and I think you've arrived at a pretty good solution. My counterpoint would be that I don't think Doctor Who SHOULD BE Event TV. I think it should be a long running TV show that goes on and on forever and ever. However, as I say in the video, if you want to make your series 8 parts (or in your case 5 parts) then you Damn better MAKE IT event TV, because 8 episodes is bloody nothing😂 But yes, you raise a good alternate solution. I think my '2 episodes a week, 20 minute length, 20 episodes a season' model, with the series being split into 5 serials is a clear open goal if they want to downsize the series while still keeping it successful but if they want to try and make it the new Stranger Things then the 5 specials a year approach could work too.
@@dwfan91- I just want the Wallace and Gromit-ification of Doctor Who 😂 idek what that means really but in my head it makes sense. If they do a proper reboot, they need to lean further into space antics, Domesticity is making this Whoniverse feel so damn small! I’ll come around to any format eventually cos this show is the best !
I think the episodes are good, what we need is a new format and (already) new/better branding. A new structure to a series and maybe even to episodes would go a LONG way to revitalise the series. Releasing episodes at a reasonable time would also help too. But yes, definitely I agree, DW always endures
RTD thinks he can write half-finished shite and get away with it, and is arrogant and distainful of the show's history and fan base, and Ncuti has no committment to the show. A new script-editor (not 'showrunner'!) is needed, plus new writers, a new Doctor and no Disney.
I'm not particularly concerned. They are so ahead of the game at this stage, filming-wise, they can afford to wait for Disney to make their minds up, I can't see it delaying production on a third series unless they wait a ridiculously elongated amount of time to re-commission it. If they decide to call time on it, then fine it's their loss, the BBC know what a prize they have so it won't be going anywhere. They could do with bumping the episode count up a bit, maybe back to 10. Series 14 went by very fast (granted, the double-bill first week didn't help matters) and it felt like the relationship between the Doctor and Ruby didn't have time to develop, compared with someone like Martha. We were expected to be feel emotional at her departure when she'd effectively only just joined (notwithstanding the fact we already knew she was returning next year due to filming being so far ahead) and it just didn't resonate with me as it felt like we'd missed so many adventures. But, as you say, Doctor Who is my lifeblood. It's my show and I'll follow it loyally wherever and whenever, even through the rough patches (yes, I wasn't a fan of the Chibnall era, it was a challenging watch at times) and I hope that relationship continues throughout my life, which isn't something you can feasibly say about very many TV shows.
@@mayotango1317 True, he took her for granted, but you saw in those final few minutes the remorse he felt for the way he had mistreated her so that was character building at least.
The days of watching doctor who on Sunday evenings with my family as a child may be gone, not only due to the state of television, but also things felt more special as a child. It felt like an event, but that’s because in a way, it was. And it’s like they’re not even trying to make it special anymore. Even in Australia it releases at 9am, which is in comparison is much better. But it lacks a certain finesse, a certain charm, that I feel only a substantially sized and an optimally aired doctor who series can fulfil.
I think a video on the 20 minute vs 45 minute format would be a really good topic, I am coming around to the idea of 20 minute format but I would love to see how you think it would work logistically. Would it be a 16 episode season with 4 serials? Or would they be in variable lengths? Essentially, what do you think the realistic release schedule and partitioning of these 20 minute episodes would be?
Can I just say, I love your pfp. I will make that video but I think it wouldn't be unrealistic to assume a 20 episode season comprised of 20 minute episodes. Technically that's a decreased runtime compared to Series 14 but it has the illusion of seeming longer which is what is really important
I enjoyed Series 14 but it definitely did not feel like the fresh start it was built up to be, which sucks. If a cancelation is what it takes to properly refresh the show; I’d be bummed, but I’d also understand. My hope is we can get there naturally by building up new writers who can give DW a fresh voice. As good as Davis and Moffat can be, their writing still feels like… dare I say it, “classic” new Who. Even though I’m not a huge fan of Series 11, that season actually felt fresh and different. I’m excited for Series 15, I just hope it shows more of an evolution for Davis and co.
Going to be honest, as an Australian, Doctor Who on Disney+ did not affect me at all. I subscribed to Disney+ in 2020 for Mando and stuck around to watch Owl house, X-men the Animated Series, M*A*S*H, Futurama, Gravity Falls, Old Simpsons, etc. I always watched Doctor Who on the ABC, where it was free (for 59 years), so I get indignant on the behalf of people who are no longer able to watch Doctor Who for free and had to subscribe to the Mouse. Pisses me off as a concept, but I can't claim to be really affected by this.
Completely agree about the scheduling issues, putting it on at midnight in the UK was a huge misstep and a large reason viewing numbers are down over the 60th’s numbers imo. The wilderness years actually had a lot of creative doctor who content other than the tv movie. Lots of fan made productions, and books and the start of big finish. It was a creative time and lots of current doctor who creators for the show and big finish really got their start during that time. Congrats on the new Patreon!
Thank you for the compliment to the Patreon. The Wilderness Years did have blips of light but mostly it was crap. Fan discussion was terrible and a lot of the 'content' was a downgrade and inferior. It was mostly just waiting for the actual show to inevitably come back while talking about how bad the late 80s were
@@dwfan91- interesting how people can think of the wilderness years so differently. I know some people that feel like the wilderness years content was much more creative than a lot of what the modern series has given us. I know Dom (the subscriber you had a “conversation” with in my comments the other day) is a big fan of the wilderness era,
Jinx was so good and the writing was better than it has been. I’m liking the direction dr who is going and I think more people will catch on after they give it a chance.
@dwfan91- Thanks. Yeah, I just wanted to comment that as a thank you, really. Appreciate the content and yourself. I think I will just have to ride these feelings out. Thank you again, though, for the response, comment. For making me feel less alone. I hope you are well. And all the best.
My main issue with S1 2024 is the over experimental nature of the season. I’m aware it’s a consequence of the 8 episode runtime but there’s not enough “filler” episodes that just provide good old fashioned Doctor who without trying to be the next heaven sent or something.
I actually agree. The 45 minute format necessitates high episode counts and completely falls in on itself without them. For a season to feel complete, it would need more episodes or a better format
@@dwfan91- I honestly think the Chibnall era had it nailed. 10 episodes a series (flux was covid affected) at 50 minutes long so there’s that slight extra room to breathe. Also having more than 2 episodes made with at least another writer than just the showrunner is honestly essential
Loved hearing all your thoughts! I like a lot of aspects of the current show, but they NEED more episodes per season. The midnight drop in the UK is really stupid as well. Your argument that the show should go back to 20-min episodes is a SPICY take, but I would love to see a video elaborating on your reasons for saying that because I'm intrigued now!
I really hope it doesn't get canceled I just started watching doctor who like last year I only got to like series 3 than a bit after Christmas I saw a doctor who edit on tiktok and remembered it exited and finished 10s era than by then I finished 11s in like 2 or 3 weeks
I usaly stay up very late anyway so I didn't mind it that much being at 12 just kinda annoying I usaly made food like 10 minutes before it came out hut it wasn't done until like 1
Also will the Christmas episode come out at 12 that'd just be braindead if ut did I probably won't watch ut until the next day any tho unless it came out at Christmas eve
Also will the Christmas episode come out at 12 that'd just be braindead if ut did I probably won't watch ut until the next day any tho unless it came out at Christmas eve
Also will the Christmas episode come out at 12 that'd just be braindead if ut did I probably won't watch ut until the next day any tho unless it came out at Christmas eve
You should do a video about how modern who would look with the classic episode structure, you always talk about how the old structure was so much better than the new one but i'm not really convinced
The biggest problem I had, was that the shadow of DT loomed too much throughout. I’m pretty sure that Disney only stumped up with the cash if the most populate Doctor came back. And that didn’t give Ncuti a fair crack at the whip in the specials. I’d have much preferred if the 3 specials were all a single story arc. So he could establish and grow into this mysterious new Doctor, travelling through uncertainty, along with the viewer, finding his place in the Tardis and Universe. Then the subsequent episodes of the series could hang off them with a connection point or two. But Ncuti was barely in the 60th specials. He came out fully formed, which felt more weird than the bi-regen thing. And then there were too many eps amongst the meager 8 ep series were very Doctor Lite. His character didn’t have enough, or even any, mystery about him. And that’s not the actor’s fault. By the end we still had DT, which we were subtlety reminded of when Rose Noble returned in the closing ep working at Unit (obviously those 2 years selling toys online must have made given her perfect experience for a senior position in an elite international secret military agency🙄). Anyway, I worry that DT was always the insurance policy should the Gatwa tenure, however long it lasts, be deemed a failure and Disney stop funding, then he would always be the carrot to invite new investors to help fund; yeah, prob Netflix. But I would rather the BBC bring it back inhouse and RTD gets the courage to give all the writing to legitimate sci-fi writers. If $100m gets Beatles Saves The Day, a Bridgerton parody and Bonnie Langford on a moped, then I’d rather get 12 episodes for just £5m and it be a more raw, cutback output, and one that is pure Gatwa allowing him explore the darker and more mysterious parts of the character. And DT is consigned to only doing the convention autograph table gigs. (that was longer than I expected, sorry, so feel free to ignore! 😁)
15 does have mystery but only because we never fucking see him he's bearky in the episodes the only mystery is who yf is this guy i don't mean what's he's backstory or he's real name I mean who is he what does he do because it felt like we didn't get to see that for most episodes
As a french fan, I have a very diferent point of view on disney plus and the release schedule. French fans used to have to wait for about a year after british release to get new episodes, and by that point they were so much spoiled, that nobody but the most casual viewers were watching them, (that plus the fact they were dubed in french and hardcore fan only watch original version but that apply to every show), so having the episodes come out at the same time worldwide on a streaming platform is litterally gold for us, even tho it's a 1 AM in France, we can still watch it the following day first thing in the morning with the whole familly and without being (overly) spoiled. i know that Doctor Who is primarly a british show, but all of the complaints I've seen about the release schedule seem extremely british centered, while it's probably a better alternative than what happened before for other countries, (I dont have in mind the exact old release schedules for every country, but since it's generally considered a very niche show outside of the UK, it wouldnt surpise me if other television networks had the habit of handeling the diffusion really badly). That being said, yeah I agree that Netflix might have been better for the show, but disney might have been the only company ready to diffuse the show, and between that and having to wait more than a year to legally get the episodes, I'm glad that it's on disney plus. (sorry for the bad english)
It's difficult to know if Disney's offer might have been too good to pass up. Of course I won't even pretend to try- but what we _do_ know is that RTD insisted they partner up with a streaming service... for whatever reason. He confirmed that Disney weren't the only contenders and due to Netflix and Doctor Who's previous collaborations, it's not a stretch to believe that they were in the running as well. I suppose we'll never know for sure but still
Oh why couldn’t they just partner with Netflix? They held the streaming rights before and it worked well back then so it made sense to partner with them again. But NoOoOo, it had to be Disney, the corporation known for ruining the reputations of beloved franchises. Perhaps if Disney doesn’t renew a third season the BBC could go to Netflix as a second choice, but that’s just me being overly optimistic. If season 3 isn’t renewed until after season 2 airs, we may or may not have a gap year. Season 1 was in production for 18 months so season 3 will likely take a similar amount of time. Thankfully, I’m pretty sure season 2 will air earlier in the year than season 1 did, probably March til April of 2025. This means that 18 months after Season 2 airs will still be late 2026 and there won’t be a gap year. This is of course best case scenario where everything goes well, it’s unfortunately more likely to be pushed back to 2027. I do have to disagree about the 20 minute runtime though. All the popular episodic series at the moment are the ones that have one story per episode. Doctor Who stories are way too large to fit within 20 minutes so every story would have to be 2-4 parts long. I can’t think of a single successful episodic series that uses 20 minute multipart stories in recent years.
I am an American viewer of Doctor Who and even I think them releasing it at midnight UK time is such a bad idea. I have always known and appreciated as an American fan that the show is intrinsically British. What that means can change with the times obviously, but it is British nonetheless. The attempts to appeal to a much broader audience and to cater to an American audience is a really bad idea. Americans who are likely to watch a show like Doctor who will already regardless of any of that, and I think it is next to impossible for the show to capture much larger of an audience over here than it already has, and certainly will never be super mainstream. And yeah the show has a broad appeal, but it needs that younger audience, and them not catering to that is such a bad idea. I think there is certainly a chance for the show to turn things around, but the people in charge have to be willing to change course, and sadly I feel like many companies are unlikely to do that without some push, so I hope the people on the BBC side will really fight for certain things, but I think a lot needs to change and quick. Also yeah Disney plus in general is just such a bad streaming service for the show in general for every reason you said. But if the show does get canceled I do hope it wont be forever. I also think a big issue from what I have read is that Ncuti seems like a very busy actor, that was one of the issues with the 60th specials as well that led to some of the missteps i believe with the 14th doctor. I am curious how he and his schedule will affect things going forward, but hopefully it will work out.
@@dwfan91- Yeah its not great here as well, but I dont think it matters has much if we have a good release time. The UK is its base so it should be heavily prioritized. 😭And thanks you!
Also as far as shows go, it is the perfect show for rebooting if they do decide to kind of soft reboot again. I really like Ncuti as the doctor, but I also wouldnt mind another doctor who breaks the mold a bit with how long they are the Doctor. Almost every Nuwho doctor has exactly 3 seasons. So I wouldnt mind one who only gets 2, and then they could reboot again. I also woundnt mind a Doctor going longer than 3.
If we can't find someone, can we marry each other Dwfan91? We'll have a Doctor Who themed wedding ( and we'll dance like how 11th Doctor danced in Amy's wedding) and visit places mentioned in Doctor Who on our honeymoon. We'll start the day by watching the most underrated episodes of doctor who. Also we can talk about daily that how the one of the greatest tv series of history become literally a Disney musical joke.🤗
I think the show needs another decade+ long dark era and then another reboot. maybe it’s the only thing that’s gonna keep it a novelty, twenty years on twenty years off
20 YEARS? If there was to be another wilderness era I’d say maybe 5 - 10 years. I’d say my opinion on a new wilderness era is pretty mutual cause I can see the positives and negatives of it. It would be bad on the aspects of it could place Doctor Who on shakey grounds and they would have to ensure they do it right like the 2005 revival. While it would basically force Doctor Who into a position where it gets new writers and whole new creative team which would be fresh and exciting.
@@VadikoLasma When you say 'it would ensure they do it right' what you mean is, if they get it wrong we lose dr who. I'm satisfied enough with dr who as it is. I don't need them to take a massive break, risk it on something that probably won't be as good and then see the whole show go away for good. much better to just keep the show going and make it good anyway
@@dwfan91- Apologises about this longass paragraph. Not the best at writing. As a whole I’m not looking for wilderness years atm cause I’m interested to see where Doctor Who will go as of now. Although, I’m not particularly fond of this era so far it doesn’t mean I’m not interested to see where it goes. If there was going to be a chance of a new wilderness era it’s understandable that it brings many concerns such as losing Doctor Who altogether, but sometimes taking a break can lead to a revitalisation of the show. The 2005 revival after the 16-year hiatus showed that just stepping away and coming back with fresh ideas and new creative directions can breathe new life into the series. I think if Doctor Who was going to continue for sure I’d say it could lead to stagnation and overall loss of interest of viewers overtime as seen in the 80s (this doesn’t mean the quality was bad in that era). A brief break “could” allow time for the show to evolve and reconnect with its roots, while bringing back many more new aspects. This may result in both new and older viewers joining the show which I’d love to see. I don’t know about u, but I’ve seen a lot of people just slander the show and kinda have the same perception of the show as it was back in the late 80s which is just sad to see (I’ve seen this both irl and online).
Being "invested" in the ruby mystery box has nothing to do with feeling of burned by the not-reveal. I don't like being left feeling like the writer didn't figure out their own conceit. The reveal doesn't make sense with allthe stuff about a hidden song and the snow, or why even in the unit time window why the figure that was her mom was able to glitch past her.
this is fair. but to be fair to myself as well, this is pretty much exactly what i said would happen, because this is what had happened a million times before. in a weird meta sense, the ruby reveal is almost saying exactly what _I'm_ saying which is... these things don't matter and you shouldn't care about them. THE PROBLEM (very obviously) then becomes, _why is the show telling its audience that it shouldn't care about what happens in it._ The difference between me and the actual show is that I'm just some guy and the actual show is the official story. Realistically, we shouldn't be saying the same thing. I think the Ruby reveal was a massive misstep, not necessarily because it doesn't make sense but because it breeds apathy within the audience; and with where dr who is right now, i think thats the opposite of what was needed. sorry for the long rambly comment
I think really my only problems with the new era were that it stumbled out the gate, and that they didn't have enough episodes. Frankly, If you ask me, I think Modern Who would do better to start each season with a couple, maybe three or four, individual episodes that aren't tied into any specific plot, then (Assuming each season is 8 episodes like season 1) use the last 4-5 episodes on a Serial. I think that's the best way to get the best of both worlds, and it lets the big moments be bigger by giving them more time to breathe. Then the Christmas Specials can just be what they've always been, A big blow out special with maybe a second or third doctor popping in for funsies.
In regards to the release scheduling, I think a smart thing to do would be to release episodes around 2 PM UK time, which is when the most people are awake worldwide.
I feel like the biggest issue for me is how few episodes we are getting. I would rather have a lower CGI quality if it meant we got a full 13 episode series. That put a lot more scrutiny on each episode than it needed. If we had 5 more episodes, I feel like episodes like Space Babies would be a lot more accepted because it was only 1/13 instead of 13 percent of all the DW on screen we are getting all year.
i will never forget getting turning on doctor who and getting a notification that it would be taken off of netflix february 2016. i remember my dad and i losing our SHIT. doctor who returning to netflix would not only be convenient bc most people nowadays have it, but it would just be so fucking awesome and would land so much better with netflix’s audience.
While the present does look worrying... I still think we have hope, it going back to BBC only would fix some issues. Yeah probably a big wait whilst they move over etc but there's no way doctor who is going back into the wilderness
I'm sorry, but your point about putting the show on at a better time wouldn't make any real difference (maybe worse if anything). The 60th had good ratings for one reason. David Tennant. The Christmas special had decent ratings because it was the first episode of a new Doctor. But outside of that, the normal season episodes have been a steady and consistent decline for years now. Changing the release to midnight was an attempt to improve the ratings (it gives the show a whole 18 hour boost compared to previous seasons). The show has just been poor for a long time now. It's that simple. If the show was good, people would watch.
This is a very surface level analysis. "The 60th had good ratings because of David Tennant" yet the the Christmas Special very well, getting more than 2/3 specials. The word of mouth around the episodes was good- I know from personal experience talking to people that the episodes were well received enough. Now those episodes released just a few short months before the rest of the series and were not panned by critics or audiences- so why did the reception for the series proper fall way below expectations? You say its the shows quality but according to the numbers, most people didn't tune in to see whether its good or not? And it's not just numbers from the 'viewing figures,' online statistics and interest and down massively too! Here's an example for you, Doctor Who reaction videos. For the 60th, you'll see videos with hundreds of thousands of views, doing very well- but then skip ahead a few months and you'll see that for the series proper, those views have gone down to 10-20-30 thousands. A far cry from what came before even just a few months. And again I must reiterate, the word of mouth for the show was good after the Church on Ruby Road. It was hardly a despised episode that might justify such a steep decline in interest. We have NEVER seen such a large drop-off before, leading me to naturally believe that is the format, release schedule and structure of the show that let it down. If you believe this change was made in attempt to improve ratings... I don't even know because that '18 hour boost' thing is just not how it works. But needless to say I don't agree with your point and there is a lot more evidence to prove what I said in the video- that being Disney interference needs to go, they need to release it at a sensible time and they should try to prioritise having more episodes in a season if possible.
@dwfan91- I just don't buy the fact that the ratings were poor because of the time they released it. For the Whittaker era, people were saying that "overnights don't matter anymore" because people will watch when they want to. Now people are saying that the ratings are bad because they released it at the wrong time and that somehow impacts the entire 7-28 day catch-up numbers (basically admitting that overnights DO matter) and that people will see spoilers and won't bother watching? It's just a blatant contradiction and leaves me to assume that it's just an excuse. I just think it says everything that the BBC have still refused to release the S14 AI (audience appreciation index) figures. They have never not released them for any single episodes before, let alone an entire series! What does that tell you? To me, it's clear that the majority of people just don't like it anymore. The reasons for that are too widespread, but ultimately I think it's because the stories are just not engaging enough to audiences now and the show is just not evolving in the right way.
@@SyncCryo I think the reason the s13 ratings and beyond were poor was because of poor word of mouth. Appreciation Index is kind of pointless, certain infamous episodes have high ones and certain beloved episodes have low ones. Even polls can be unreliable, I remember that in 1982 Black Orchid was rated as the most popular episode of Season 19. I feel like saying the majority of people don’t like Doctor Who is a silly and blanket statement. It sounds more like what you Want to be true rather than what is _actually_ true.
@@dwfan91- "It sounds more like what you Want to be true rather than what is actually true." Pretty weak argument to be honest. I don't want the show to be shit. Quite the opposite. I've made Doctor Who videos for years (although sporadically 😆). I just genuinely feel the show itself has lost its way and more and more people are switching off because it is just not worth their time. The ratings are factually at an all-time low. The general opinion amongst fans is that S14 was one of the worst seasons of the revival. Ask any fan where they would rank S14 and there is a high chance it will be near the bottom, if not THE bottom. I mean you've literally just said the ratings were bad because of poor word of mouth...why do you think that is!
@@SyncCryo You don't want the show to be shit, but you clearly believe that it is shit. Therefore, it stands to reason that you want everyone to agree with you that the show is shit. Therefore when there are low ratings you will use that as social proof that people agree with you that the show is shit. Therefore you want it to be the case that thats why, rather than any other more logical reason. Therefore my point stands. I said that the Jodie Whittaker series had poor word of mouth. This is undeniable. Very unpopular series of the show. The 60th, not so much. Outside of a circle of people who are more engaged in right wing politics than the actual show (which nothing wrong with that necessarily, but don't equate that community with the general audience, they are not one in the same) the 60th was generally well received. People I know in real life enjoyed it enough and if you look on RUclips you will see clips of the Toymaker dancing with millions of views and positive comments below. So it doesn't make sense that so soon after a positive reception the ratings would nosedive _more than they did for Seasons that were far more unpopular._ The decline in ratings in such a short period of time is clearly not a 'natural response to quality' as the gap in time between S12 and S13 was far larger and the dip wasn't nearly as steep. The Timeless Child was a generally universally disliked concept and _still_ S13 got significantly higher ratings than S14 with a much worse word of mouth. There is just too much evidence to the contrary for the 'its just bad writing bro' argument to be correct. Even if it _were_ bad writing, which I disagree with but that doesn't matter right now, the release schedule, format and branding of the show all contributed to S14's lack of success and in my opinion in a much more meaningful way. Also, this is just a me-thing, but I feel the term 'bad writing' has become a little tired/lazy in recent years. It's been a go-to criticism for so long that I feel no one knows what it even means anymore and at the very least everyone has a different definition for what they think it means. Being more specific in criticism shows not only the current creators, but also future creatives in general (for everything, not only dr who) what audiences are receptive to and what they are against.
Now I get some of this because it is a BBC show, and should be on your time not mine [In the U.S.] But really we have streaming. It is what streaming is for. You do not want spoilers than stay off social media. I mean folks have jobs at various shifts so there are folks who do not even get to see the initial broadcast. Hell once upon a time if you missed a episode, you never saw it again. It was gone because we did not have streaming.
I wonder if they would be allowed to adapt some of big finish's stuff to tue current show. Theres a lot of great stuff there that they could use. Outside of that i feel like co-showrunning between RTD and Moffatt would be the best because i feel like theyd cancel out each others worse qualities. Overall i just wish that entities such as Disney and BBC would stop fucking around with stuff and let them operate properly. Dont press the writers, give them time to come up with good stories and plotlines. Don't just shovel money into it to make the visuals good-that makes it feel like how Marvel is currently which stings, as the show was able to do great with a smaller budget back in the day-you dont need to constrain it but make it so that great stories come first.
On the issue of kids not watching because it drops at midnight, I have to say most kids (this is going by younger siblings in my family who are enthusiastic about the show) don’t even know it drops at midnight but still aren’t going to watch it on terrestrial broadcast the next day. Kids aren’t watching TV when it airs.
I agree with the first part of your comment but not with the second. Yes, kids have no idea when this stuff drops. That is 100% true. But their parents do or SHOULD if the marketing of the show has been properly managed. The whole thing has been turned into a hullabaloo when the messaging should be simple: Saturday, 6:30pm. Then the parents, knowing their kids like/might like Doctor Who, would call their children down at that time to watch the telly
Best case scenario Disney doesn't go ahead with season 3, but the BBC takes it elsewhere. There are two odd entries in the series box sets that never line up with what came before or after. Ncuti gets to have a fitting send off (or sticks around for season 3 👀) and Who lives on.
Ideally, a return to the classic formula would be great, but tv producers seem pretty married to the idea that serious shows are 45 minutes, no matter how negatively that impacts storytelling.
If it was a longer season the season would be better received. I think every Dr of new who has at least 1 season with 1 or 2 mid or bad episodes. At least give me 10
Just me back again to let you all know that Martha is the Goated companion and I will not hear otherwise. I recently finished all of modern who and quite enjoyed Season One, especially the Legend of Ruby Sunday, as well as the obvious ones (Boom, 73 Yards). Ncuti absolutely had potential but I’m sorry Space Babies was trash and while I enjoyed the Devil’s Chord the story had some issues. Wow this was a brain dump sorry but just my thoughts.
I’m sorry ok 😭 The CGI mouths creeped me out, the bogey man(monster) being literally made out of bogeys, the ‘calling home’ scene was from the End of the World and had less of an impact and generally I wasn’t a fan. I respect people that like it as an individual episode and a first foray into 15’s personality because he was amazing in the episode but the episode itself I couldn’t get on board with.
This might seem like an obscure comparison, but Doctor Who seems to be suffering like Rupauls Drag Race. Both have been staples of their genre, the fanbase is set in stone for life, yet the distribution rights keep getting in the way and messing with fans. Airing some eps at 3am to 6am to 10pm. which cause huge wish wash ratings per as fans get spoiled. Exact same for DW :( Doctor who has not lost itself, it’s who is playing up top😢 If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!! I really hope Russell sorts this out but he can’t of course. The mouse has the Tardis by the balls rn lol I miss waiting all day buying snacks & sitting eagerly for the episode in the evening. The magic is there, it’s down to the fatcats in suits thinking they can monopolise streaming first . I just want RTD to tell The Mouse to get fcked. The mouse is already sinking their own company! My boy Ncuti can push through!! Great video as always 91 brother🙏💙
2:00 I don’t understand why people think David Tennant being the “14th Doctor” makes him a separate doctor. Grover Cleveland was the 22nd and 24th president of the US. That doesn’t make him two different presidents. David Tennant can’t be called the tenth doctor during the 60th because he’s not coming after 9. He’s coming after 13. I legitimately don’t get why so many people don’t understand this
I think the reason people think David Tennant being the 14th Doctor makes him a separate doctor is the fact that the creatives, marketers and branders of the show all collectively say he's a separate, new incarnation so I personally get why people think that.
@dwfan91 Oh yeah lol I didn’t realize that. Even so, I don’t really think the people involved telling us whether he’s a separate incarnation or not really helps. I mean you can watch the show and see exactly what’s going on. So, I think it’s more of a matter of deciding whether you would define that as a “separate incarnation” or not. To me personally, I think a big part of the show is that the different “Doctors” are the different actors/appearances the Doctor has had. So, I would call David Tennant the “10th/14th Doctor” and not “10th/14th Doctors”. But considering he has experienced being 11, 12, and 13, you could say he was a separate incarnation because he’s had different experiences and the doctor’s memories are an important part of what makes each incarnation unique. So, I think it really depends on the context whether or not he’s separate. However, I do think it’s weird that people think he should have just been called the “10th Doctor” coming after 13. Because, he’s not coming after nine anymore so it wouldn’t make any sense to just call him the 10th again.
@@LeviPennington-vv2kq I get what you mean and would be entitled to agree if they hadn't come out and said what they said. I actually think your explanation is better. But I still get why people think the original way
I still think Russel t Davies was bullied by Disney into realising it at midnight or they won’t air it on Disney plus. I can’t understand why else they would want to have it so late. They’re pushing the doctor who team around because they can
💙💙✨ welcone back fave ✨💙💙 the only thing i love as much as dr who is discussing dr who! For me i feel Rose-Power of the Doctor is a besutiful journey i feel its a oerfect beginning and end... I feel Chibnall did well to link everything to the ckassic era and also truly draw it to a close....on reflection the 60th trilogy og sprcials feel like an epilogue tying it all in a bow but leaving open too... I feel i was a bit harsh on the specials/series 4 the sequel specials vibe... But overall i think actually was what we nedded for one last push! Now the 50th was better and imo TPOTD was also better but i do think that felt like a 3 hour compilation of everything the show coukd do and more ....and the giggke was an end to it....its like Nolans Dark Knight trilogy in that the first oart was a solid introduction to a new univerrse tone of a popular name, the middle chapter shook everything and everyone raves about anf the conclusion controversial but solid....but for me series 14 was not for me ...its solid i guess anf on a level but its my keast fsvourite ....not as terribke as 80s Who but down there ... Im apathetic to the show going firward i love Ncuti and Millie and overall irs solid....but it lacks so much ....we likely have 10 more stories (plus spin off!) in this era but i do feel after RTD needs to work on what makes the show amazing in the first place .....heres hoping to the future 💙💙✨
Space Baby’s was really bad imo, it’s just very cringe worthy and too fast paced to have any sort of feeling of threat, etc. But the rest of the season was pretty good
I think they just ran out of ideas, which is okay. I don't think they can recreate the incredible vibes of the #10/#11 era of the show (Capaldi was great too but some of his episodes were mid). I think the show should've just ended and then been revived again 15 or so years later, just like it was in 2005, but with an entirely new universe instead.
In my country the episodes were available in the morning - It doesn't really bother me, nor did it my friends. I think RTD has made some changes that haven't worked, and he took for granted an audience that isn't guaranteed anymore. Too many people got burned during either the Capaldi or Whittaker run, and weren't converted back to fans when Tennant/Tate re-united. I think we need another hiatus - Wilderness years 2.0 (It needs to be reinvented with a new template like RTD originally did back in 2005). Good video.
@@dwfan91- I enjoy your content but I politely disagree, the show needs a break and either a soft or a hard reboot. I've been a fan for almost fifty years and myself and many of my friends from many diverse walks of life that have been fans for years have also given up on this show!
I think DT has gotten a lot of hate for hogging two Dr reincarnations especially from people who share opinions with Peter Capaldi. Not really his fault but seems to be why he has stated he won't return to Dr who (apart from anniversary stuff) Hope he has got links with other Dr actors still
I think many S3 scripts have been drafted but until the BBC know exactly where the money is coming from with 100% certainty nothing will go into production on S3. Disney need to make a decision one way or another & won't be pushed. They could even go back to being an international distributor (instead of being that & a contributor to the production budget) in the end leaving many rewrites to the S3 scripts if they pull back
its very difficult to know whats going on through the PR speak and the other vague clues they post, but I think you're right. If Season 3 _is_ going to come out, it might be without Disney, or with them only distributing it. We know there are drafts for S3 but nothing commissioned edit: I feel like the BBC wouldn't let their biggest IP just go to nowhere, so even if S3 doesn't happen, I don't think Dr Who will stop but hell who knows, its still early days we're talking about stuff 2/3 years down the line
@@dwfan91-Agreed. I think at the very worst there will be a Xmas Day special filmed in 2025 for 2026, I'm just afraid that could be a regeneration event. We know nothing until it's official 100%
Theres a sour taste in my mouth about the entirety of new who in restrospect The og RTD era was a breath of fresh air from a new creative team in a new generation of producers and writers. Moffat’s era was a no brainer, he was the obvious choice. By the time chibnal came around you’re now 3 showrunners and 12 years in a row with men of the same generation. Now RTD is back, and we haven’t moved forward into new ideas and a new generation and new writers for nearly 20 years. Bring in a younger showrunner, bring in someone who was inspired by the early days of new who and other media. It needs to move forwards
@@dwfan91- i disagree, the original was a mishmash of quality and had its own issues. The problem is that it isn’t moving forward and its stagnating. Moving to a similar showrunner within the same circle isn’t breathing new life. A newer showrunner with fresh ideas and a different outlook on modern tv would be fresh
Who cares about the releasing hour. Just wait and binge watch it like the rest of us. What's wrong with you people it's 2024 everything is available 24/7
this series isn't good to binge watch, each episode apart from the finale are disconnected and there are several month gaps between them chronologically
No, and I don't want it to be on any streaming service. I believe if S3 happens, and without Disney, it'll be like the 60th Specials where its just Bad Wolf payroling it. And if that happens I'll be just fine with it
I personally didn’t like the fact that episodes came onto iPlayer at midnight, but ultimately the only people who would even consider watching at midnight are the dedicated fans who would watch the episode anyway. I imagine that most of the people who gave up watching were the more casual fans, many of whom may not have even realised that episodes were on iPlayer from midnight, and even if they did I struggle to see how that would stop them from watching on BBC One the next day. It’s certainly no more of a hassle to watch on BBC One now than it was previously. Also, more casual fans are probably less likely to follow many Doctor Who related things on social media, so wouldn’t necessarily see spoilers the next day (particularly when most episodes in this series didn’t have that much to spoil).
I agree with some points and don't agree with others. On your last point- this is kind of what I was getting at. "Most episodes in this series didn't have much to spoil" - Exactly. Therefore when people (and yes, casual fans use social media too) wake up and scroll through and get the cliffnotes, they feel an even smaller drive to actually go back and check the episodes out. For example, when Rogue came out. Someone may wake up, go on their phone, see a post of someone saying words along the lines of 'omg the Shalka dr confirmed!!!' not know what that is but know that if something ACTUALLY EXCITING had happened then everyone would be talking about it. Deduce therefore that nothing actually exciting happened and then conclude that there is no point in watching the episode. On your earlier point "why would that stop them watching the next day" because its a re-run. You can watch it whenever you want, why would you arbitrarily watch at 6pm. This lack of FOMO, scarcity or event status leads to no drive from the audience to sit down and watch. What I will say I agree with is the fact that only the hardcores are going to watch at midnight. But what time a show comes out is important. What time/date _anything_ comes out is important. This apathy towards when a show airs is exactly why there is such diminished passion for the show right now overall from audiences.
@@dwfan91-of course casual fans use social media. But if you are a casual fan you probably don’t follow people who are dedicated enough fans that they stayed up to midnight to watch, so you are unlikely to see many spoilers when you wake up. To give a parallel, I would consider myself a casual Star Wars fan but I haven’t seen the new shows. Because I don’t follow many accounts that are hardcore Star Wars fans, I haven’t seen any spoilers on social media. I also can’t see how it is a rerun when Doctor Who airs on TV because although it isn’t the earliest you can watch the episode, that is the allocated slot, so people who have BBC 1 on will naturally watch at that time. I would have preferred if they didn’t do the midnight drops because I personally don’t like having to avoid social media until Saturday evening, but I don’t think it would be a massive issue for casual viewers. Personally I think starting the series with two fairly weak, light-hearted episodes that make Doctor Who hard to take seriously was a much bigger factor in the lack of interest.
@@doctorravenclaw2649 I also consider myself a casual star wars fan. I watched Andor but outside of that I've been checked out for a few years or so. When the Acolyte was coming out, through osmosis I still caught a few looks here and there and know the basic outline of the story despite not watching it. And the reason its a re-run is because it already came out and then you're airing it again.
what’s up every body, hope you all enjoy the video. this one’s a bit more of a chill video than usual - I’m cooking up some bangers so just you wait. what do you think about the current Dr Who? do you think it’ll be okay like it always is, do you think it might go the way of the dodo, do you agree with me that a lot of their marketing and branding decisions have been very silly recently but there’s still time and enough leeway for them to pull it back? either way, I love this show and I wish the best for it always and forever
While I do think RTD is this a great single-story writer, I think we really do need Steven Moffat to take control of the story arc. The last seasons build up was basically non existent (partly because of the series length, like seriously, it was tiny)but I think the finale was way too abrupt.Although , as I said, I thought the single episodes were exceptional.
@@Everythingcovered-ee5fo I think we need new blood instead of playing hot-potato passing the show between the same people over and over again. Looking at existing guestwriters for the show, I think Jamie Mathieson has a pretty solid body of work.
I think the silliest thing RTD's said so far was about the Space Babies -> Devil's Chord timeskip where he was like "only obsessed fans would think 6 actual months passed in-universe, what actually happened is that the TARDIS rewrote history so Ruby was from late summer, and also this explains UNIT dating."
I would very much like to hear your proof that Russell is trying to copy other Netflix shows and other things you mentioned- like maybe in a future video or something:)
@@carealoo744 okay, i'll talk abt it more in the future👍
I believe Russel has taken a miss-step. Very much enjoyed the fantastical elements of the time war and the cosmic horror of the RTD universe, but it only worked when shrowded in mystery and away from Humanity.
The current fantasy element requires us to forget the sci fi elements of the show and just have not been as strong as the more heavily Sci Fi moffat era or the tuned down fantasy of the RTD era.
I feel the larger buget has meant a lot of the character work of previous eras and creative thinking to endure with the shoe string budget is gone.
I feel like the Tardis design says a lot about the show.
The RD1 TARDIS being homely and a bit of fun mess.
The Moffat TARDIS as refined and cold.
The new TARDIS feels sleek, expensive but lifeless.
The Moffat TARDIS felt more like a home, it confirms that the companions sleep there.
I think Time War was better explored in the Moffat era, in the RTD era it was pure romance and Rose.
@mayotango1317 probably talking about 11s second(and 12s) cus there all metelly and grey but 12s hade books and a yellow light instead of blue so a little but more Holly
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Do you know what, I genuinely wouldn’t even be surprised if the Christmas special is marketed as coming out y’know … on Christmas Day and then it legit releases at midnight between Christmas Eve and Christmas Day with no warning 💀
I WOULDNT PUT IT PAST THEM
I hate to say it, but as of now I'm unbothered about the future of the show.
If it was announced their will be no season 3 tomorrow, I don't think it would affect me much either way, other than thinking about the missed opportunity we had here.
The hype was there coming into the 60th anniversary, and from then until now we've just had SO MANY missteps. Ranging from the time the episodes have aired, to the order they've aired in, to the up and down quality per episode and so on.
I wish we could have a redo and start this new era again, I want to love this show so much and it really does suck that this chance for a fresh start was wasted! :(
I feel the same way (although ofc I think I preferred Series 14 a lot more to you.) How many missteps can they make before we're like 'okay well, you messed it up for yourself' lol. I would be real sad with no s3, but that's because I love dr who and am always sad when there is no dr who. A redo of this era with the correct marketing, branding, format etc would be the dream- so close to success, but not quite there
RIGHT like im so apathetic about it even though im still super passionate Dr Who as a whole.
feel the same!!
Ah, you are just a Tennant fanboy.
@@mayotango1317 How intellectually dishonest do you have to be to dismiss any valid criticism of the show as ‘Tennant fanboyism’? Embarrassing yourself.
I think what doctor who really needs (and this is just my opinion) is a whole new writing team. An issue I've been having with the show for years now is I find it feels stale. The episode concepts are all very similar. For example you have the: abandoned location episodes, the aliens invading London episodes, the aliens changing human history episodes and the Universe blows up and get reset again episodes.
dont worry I'll step in and revamp the show🫡
Its still wild to me that the church on Ruby Road got higher viewing figures than the King's speech. Charles WISHES he had the charisma of Dr Who.
I think we get Season 3 regardless of Disney, if they do back out (it’s coming eventually, just a matter of when) then Bad Wolf will just trim the budget down a bit and move forward.
The 60th specials were shot without Disney funding, and then sort of backdated into the deal. I can see that happening with Season 3: getting it started first before the money comes in
this is what I hope
I hope this is true. I wonder if they’ve filmed a regeneration just in case?
I think it's just becoming increasingly clear how bad the Disney deal is. It's favoring the American audience, which, as an American, is a huge mistake. We don't watch Doctor Who because it's relatable, we watch it because it's quintessentially British. It feels like they're trying to reach out to a new audience that won't be very receptive while ignoring their home audience which is already dropping off considerably. I know a lot of people don't like to talk about it, but the politics are just bad too. It feels like Disney wants a certain political quota and Russell seems more than happy to meet that quota. It's hard for me to watch as someone who happens to not be politically aligned with Disney and Doctor Who, but I just feel like it hasn't been this bad, and it doesn't help that the culture war is in full force. I think what Doctor Who needs to do is cut back its spending, regroup around its home audience, and it will naturally grow internationally if it's good quality TV, something that is definitely missing right now. It needs to be something totally unique, which imo Season 1 isn't. It's trying to copy the Disney+ streaming format originally pioneered by Stranger Things and it doesn't work.
To be honest the bbc is just as bad. Take a look at their diversity goals vs the population dynamics in the UK. I'm not anti diversity, or diverse story's, the contrary really, but I want the story's and actors skills first, not an agenda. For you though, have you heard of the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy? I think the 80s TV series has a lot of that quintessentially brittish charm you were talking about
@@poxidogThe 80s JNT era feel more american.
Funny because the RTD1 is more like Buffy Who.
This would make more sense if the culture war was a thing that actually existed.
@@jadegreenleaf781 Does it not?
I swear I remember when the episode count was first announced and the immediate dissatisfaction from some parts of the community. RTD responded with a sort of “we’ll get there we just need to get ourselves on our feet again” sort of sentiment.
I mean tbh we’ll see. I can’t deny, I’m not as buzzed about the show and haven’t been for a number of years. But here’s hoping things turn around in the next couple years 🤷🏻♂️
A huge problem is Ncuti's future. In Nov he is performing in theatre for approx 9 weeks. An actor like that will not hang around for production on a season if a decision is not made until S2 is finished.
That leaves us with one stinking problem. If production doesn't start soon in 2025 the only thing in RTD'S back pocket is the spin-off for 2026.
I'm seeing possibilities of specials like S4 in (Xmas) 2026 & holiday specials in 2027 👀
Just the usual gap-year with 2 Christmas specials back to back - x-mas 2025 & x-mas 2026, because the 2nd season is still waiting for us - or the 15th series with the 15th Doctor😛because all the David Tennant Specials did not get a numbering...
he needs to go. If RTD promised a new Dr, he would get a green light
@@RavenThom we still got Jo Martin to muddle the Doctor canon even more 😄
I'm American and I think they should stop prioritizing simultaneous releases in every region. A minority of fans having to avoid spoilers for a few hours should probably be considered less important than having the majority of fans either have to stay up late to watch it or potentially having to avoid spoilers for longer until they can watch it at a decent time.
I don't understand it, it's like having to wait for subbed versions of anime, it's not a huge deal when it's pretty quick I erall
As much as I worry about the very clear misteps they are making with this new era, I'm not afraid of another wilderness years. It will not happen. IP is the name of the game these days, and as long as the BBC has their hands on Dr Who they will try to continue the series.
100% agree
Here in germany the release time was even worse as the episodes came out at 1 am
@@LegoTardisArchives terrible :(
Make Doctor Who cheap again. Sometimes being forced to do with less gives us more.
About Netflix: I'm against it. I don't think dropping whole seasons at once works for Doctor Who, and it's the only way Netflix releases its shows (unless they split the season, which isn't something I want for Doctor Who either). I'm a Disney+ defender (the Star Originals are great and I don't live in the UK), but the best alternative would be HBO: premium branding plus a weekly release schedule.
About reducing the episodes to 20 minutes: seems perfect on a first glance, except that A) most twenty minutes are ballooning into 30-40 minute shows (The Bear springs to mind-it's on Disney+!), and B) they have short season orders. 10 20-minute episodes per season would be worse for Doctor Who than 8 40-minute episodes (though I think, for this era 1h episodes should be the standard).
If you ask me specifically: I say NO streaming service. It's dumb and self-destructive. If you ask me between Netflix and Disney Plus, I will choose Netflix. If they dropped it in batches (Space Babies, Devil's Chord, Boom | 73 Yards, Dot and Bubble, Rogue | Legend of Ruby Sunday, Empire of Death) I wouldn't be totally onboard, but I'd still say it has a better chance of succeeding, than it being on D+
@@dwfan91- I mean, IDEALLY, they'd just sell it to other public broadcasting corporations around the world. I know they had a deal like that with Germany's ARD up until the Disney+ deal, but that's just one country (one where I don't live).
Would Netflix mean a return to the serial format of classic who?
@@tirex3673 Most probably not.
@@j.b.c.a.I mean, that would enable a release in episode batches on Netflix, like arcane.
I really just wanted this season to at least have 2 more episodes.
One of the reasons I hated The Empire of Death is that it felt like it ended an hour too early, which really annoyed me. Also, the finale in general felt lazy as hell. It was like The Giggle, where everything is really good, but then the ending kind of ruins it maybe if rtd had more episodes to work with the finale wouldn’t have felt as rushed as it was.
RTD always had a problem with his finales.
Thinking back on the Episode Count:
If we're only getting 8 Episodes a year, it is not enough for a season. I'd rather have a Special every few months with a slightly longer runtime over the course of a year than just 2 months of undercooked and time-restricted episodes every week at midnight.
Not only are the episodes poorly written, but we aren't getting enough of them. WHAT???
I personally am really liking ncuti gatwa as the doctor i think he has the right personality for it
so do i
you are in the monority (no offence meant)
Yeah, the midnight release time is horrible. I was ruined of the reveal of Suekeh because I opened RUclips for less than 30 seconds and still kinda mad about it. I had a 50% chance it was him but still, I didn't figure that out myself 😢
I going to wait for season 2 before I make up my mind about how Doctor Who is going as I feel like many plot threads are left in the 2nd seasom on purpose. Overall I enjoyed Season 1 but agree with your points.
I hope the reavel for rubys mother was a lie and she's actually next season they reveal why should could make it snow and why her mother pointed at the tardis instead of making a stupid reason that's hopefully nit the actual reason
@@Pat12379 don't mind her mother being a "random person". However, I do agree they need to address why she makes it snow. Again I blame Russell for making us think Ruby's story is over when it's not over. He should've made it clear that more will be explained in series 2. I just assumed she would be like Martha and only turn up sometimes, not that there's more of her character.
Also yeah her pointing at that sign made no sense, I thought she would be pointing at either the doctor or the Tardis.
I'm with you on the return to the Classic Who format. It's weird people think returning to that format would also mean that the show would return to a slower pace like classic TV shows tend to be. It's 2024! Obviously writers in 2024 are not going to write at the same pace as writers in 1964! I doubt it will ever happen though, but it would be nice. I kind of think for the 60th anniversary they should have broken up the specials into 20 to 25 minute episodes like Classic Who just to see how it would work today. It would have been the perfect time to test it out. Love the content as always!
It also be cost effective as Season 7 proved. You get a bunch of episodes to air for several weeks and get people wondering what the next chapter will entail.
Just one problem: We actually need a good showrunner and a team of writers.
@@rayvenkman2087 I always wondered why they don't utilize the Big Finish audio writers and turn some of them into TV writers. I think they've done it with a couple, but there's so many great writers at Big Finish that really get the show.
Moffat dealt with that in Series 9 with two-part episodes, and many felt unnecessarily long.
@@mayotango1317there's been 2 part episodes forever
I agree with Disney and the BBC basically sabatoging this through marketing and release schedule. I think the finale being a little less than satisfying didn't leave it on the best note either. I think if they want the worldwide audience, they need to get at least all of the revival show on Disney+. With how this has performed so far though, I expect a classic third season and specials to finish it out. I'd bet Disney pulls out after that or maybe earlier and BBC will possibly cancel it. Not sure where they think they'd go after that. The production value is so high right now and beyond partnering with Netflix I don't see them upping that. I don't see them doing a complete reinvent of the show soon enough to prevent cancellation. So I think it'll be 3 seasons and specials and then it'll get temporarily cancelled. They'd already be planning to bring it back at some point though.
I don’t think the show will be ‘axed’ axed- maybe it will be, I don’t know for sure- but I think it’d be rather foolish, especially in this age for the BBC to cancel their biggest and last IP left. Dr Who, even this new Dr Who can survive without Disney. The 60th Specials werent made with outside involvement so we know it can be done. Best case scenario, Season 3 goes on ahead, maybe as a series of specials without Disney involvement
@@dwfan91- I think there's a real possibility, but if it does I'd expect the show to return in less than ten years.
But let’s be honest Series 1 (2005) is peak and criminally underrated these days!
This channel is a comfort zone for me rn with everyone up in arms about S14/RTD2. I agree with you completely. I had a great time and was thoroughly entertained.
S14 was very lazily written. RTD is clearly on coast mode and his worst tendencies are on display. We should expect more from the show instead of just accepting the slop because it's familiar
@@pickles168 Calling S14 "slop" is incredibly arrogant. I didn't say it was perfect, but I had a great time with it. Every season has elements to be criticized.
So we get 9 episodes 45 minute episodes a year. Imagine 5 x 80 minute long episodes, spread across a year (New Year, Easter, July, Halloween, Christmas). I think this would create a hype year round for the show. Ditching the season format would have other benefits. Fake out deaths like Ruby’s in Boom have no effect because I’m there like “this is episode 3, she’ll be fine”, although they’d definitely just save all the consequential stuff for Christmas anyway 😭😭 Also they need to get a grip on the leaks when Season 3 or god forbid “Season 1 of NetflixWho” comes around. Tbh I’m not sure I could see multi part 20 minute serials as event TV, but I know that’s just the Gen Z brainrot in me 😞 Keep up with the peak content 🙌
We're coming at the problem at two different angles and I think you've arrived at a pretty good solution. My counterpoint would be that I don't think Doctor Who SHOULD BE Event TV. I think it should be a long running TV show that goes on and on forever and ever. However, as I say in the video, if you want to make your series 8 parts (or in your case 5 parts) then you Damn better MAKE IT event TV, because 8 episodes is bloody nothing😂 But yes, you raise a good alternate solution. I think my '2 episodes a week, 20 minute length, 20 episodes a season' model, with the series being split into 5 serials is a clear open goal if they want to downsize the series while still keeping it successful but if they want to try and make it the new Stranger Things then the 5 specials a year approach could work too.
@@dwfan91- I just want the Wallace and Gromit-ification of Doctor Who 😂 idek what that means really but in my head it makes sense. If they do a proper reboot, they need to lean further into space antics, Domesticity is making this Whoniverse feel so damn small! I’ll come around to any format eventually cos this show is the best !
The DW always endures imo. The current is a bit janky but we just need some good eps (& less RTD talking) to cure that.
I think the episodes are good, what we need is a new format and (already) new/better branding. A new structure to a series and maybe even to episodes would go a LONG way to revitalise the series. Releasing episodes at a reasonable time would also help too. But yes, definitely I agree, DW always endures
@@dwfan91- Exactly. And I liked S14, just meant more good eps will help.
The writing's not good enough.
RTD thinks he can write half-finished shite and get away with it, and is arrogant and distainful of the show's history and fan base, and Ncuti has no committment to the show. A new script-editor (not 'showrunner'!) is needed, plus new writers, a new Doctor and no Disney.
very angry for no reason
Thats an interesting opinion. I wonder how you Came to any conclusion even near it.
simple solution to all this shit: tell disney to fuck off. rtd i am begging you
^^ this guy knows
I'm not particularly concerned. They are so ahead of the game at this stage, filming-wise, they can afford to wait for Disney to make their minds up, I can't see it delaying production on a third series unless they wait a ridiculously elongated amount of time to re-commission it. If they decide to call time on it, then fine it's their loss, the BBC know what a prize they have so it won't be going anywhere. They could do with bumping the episode count up a bit, maybe back to 10. Series 14 went by very fast (granted, the double-bill first week didn't help matters) and it felt like the relationship between the Doctor and Ruby didn't have time to develop, compared with someone like Martha. We were expected to be feel emotional at her departure when she'd effectively only just joined (notwithstanding the fact we already knew she was returning next year due to filming being so far ahead) and it just didn't resonate with me as it felt like we'd missed so many adventures.
But, as you say, Doctor Who is my lifeblood. It's my show and I'll follow it loyally wherever and whenever, even through the rough patches (yes, I wasn't a fan of the Chibnall era, it was a challenging watch at times) and I hope that relationship continues throughout my life, which isn't something you can feasibly say about very many TV shows.
good comment
Martha never had a relationship with the Doctor, he ignore her.
@@mayotango1317 True, he took her for granted, but you saw in those final few minutes the remorse he felt for the way he had mistreated her so that was character building at least.
@@mayotango1317a relationship doesn't just mean romantic it could also mean friends or just someone you know or someone you hate
@@Pat12379 Yeah, nop. Rose x Tennant was romantic sexy.
The days of watching doctor who on Sunday evenings with my family as a child may be gone, not only due to the state of television, but also things felt more special as a child. It felt like an event, but that’s because in a way, it was. And it’s like they’re not even trying to make it special anymore. Even in Australia it releases at 9am, which is in comparison is much better. But it lacks a certain finesse, a certain charm, that I feel only a substantially sized and an optimally aired doctor who series can fulfil.
I think a video on the 20 minute vs 45 minute format would be a really good topic, I am coming around to the idea of 20 minute format but I would love to see how you think it would work logistically. Would it be a 16 episode season with 4 serials? Or would they be in variable lengths?
Essentially, what do you think the realistic release schedule and partitioning of these 20 minute episodes would be?
Can I just say, I love your pfp. I will make that video but I think it wouldn't be unrealistic to assume a 20 episode season comprised of 20 minute episodes. Technically that's a decreased runtime compared to Series 14 but it has the illusion of seeming longer which is what is really important
I enjoyed Series 14 but it definitely did not feel like the fresh start it was built up to be, which sucks. If a cancelation is what it takes to properly refresh the show; I’d be bummed, but I’d also understand. My hope is we can get there naturally by building up new writers who can give DW a fresh voice. As good as Davis and Moffat can be, their writing still feels like… dare I say it, “classic” new Who. Even though I’m not a huge fan of Series 11, that season actually felt fresh and different. I’m excited for Series 15, I just hope it shows more of an evolution for Davis and co.
Going to be honest, as an Australian, Doctor Who on Disney+ did not affect me at all. I subscribed to Disney+ in 2020 for Mando and stuck around to watch Owl house, X-men the Animated Series, M*A*S*H, Futurama, Gravity Falls, Old Simpsons, etc. I always watched Doctor Who on the ABC, where it was free (for 59 years), so I get indignant on the behalf of people who are no longer able to watch Doctor Who for free and had to subscribe to the Mouse. Pisses me off as a concept, but I can't claim to be really affected by this.
I hope they get a new writing crew, I just want doctor who to be good again
I wait eagerly for Doctor Who’s next revival if it gets cancelled again.
and i will revive it
I agree on empire of death. It was mostly great but the third act was so disappointing but ruby meeting her mum still made me ball my eyes out
Completely agree about the scheduling issues, putting it on at midnight in the UK was a huge misstep and a large reason viewing numbers are down over the 60th’s numbers imo.
The wilderness years actually had a lot of creative doctor who content other than the tv movie. Lots of fan made productions, and books and the start of big finish. It was a creative time and lots of current doctor who creators for the show and big finish really got their start during that time.
Congrats on the new Patreon!
Thank you for the compliment to the Patreon. The Wilderness Years did have blips of light but mostly it was crap. Fan discussion was terrible and a lot of the 'content' was a downgrade and inferior. It was mostly just waiting for the actual show to inevitably come back while talking about how bad the late 80s were
@@dwfan91- interesting how people can think of the wilderness years so differently. I know some people that feel like the wilderness years content was much more creative than a lot of what the modern series has given us. I know Dom (the subscriber you had a “conversation” with in my comments the other day) is a big fan of the wilderness era,
@@AnotherScifiGuy I imagine they are just nostalgic for it because, outside of the dr who perspective, the 90s were pretty great!
woo 4 mins after posting!
I'd love a video about the 20 min video format btw!
we made it
Jinx was so good and the writing was better than it has been. I’m liking the direction dr who is going and I think more people will catch on after they give it a chance.
Thanks for the vid dwfan91. You cheer me up with your videos. Been feeling blue of late. But your videos help a bit you know.
@@martynking1613 I hope you feel better man. I know that feeling and it sucks, to your journey forward🍻
@dwfan91- Thanks. Yeah, I just wanted to comment that as a thank you, really. Appreciate the content and yourself. I think I will just have to ride these feelings out. Thank you again, though, for the response, comment. For making me feel less alone. I hope you are well. And all the best.
My main issue with S1 2024 is the over experimental nature of the season. I’m aware it’s a consequence of the 8 episode runtime but there’s not enough “filler” episodes that just provide good old fashioned Doctor who without trying to be the next heaven sent or something.
I actually agree. The 45 minute format necessitates high episode counts and completely falls in on itself without them. For a season to feel complete, it would need more episodes or a better format
@@dwfan91- I honestly think the Chibnall era had it nailed. 10 episodes a series (flux was covid affected) at 50 minutes long so there’s that slight extra room to breathe. Also having more than 2 episodes made with at least another writer than just the showrunner is honestly essential
Loved hearing all your thoughts! I like a lot of aspects of the current show, but they NEED more episodes per season. The midnight drop in the UK is really stupid as well. Your argument that the show should go back to 20-min episodes is a SPICY take, but I would love to see a video elaborating on your reasons for saying that because I'm intrigued now!
I gotta make that video
Half the cast telling people to go touch grass and stop watching didn't help season 1 as well
dont think it made a difference tbh. I read the article and I understood what he was saying
@@dwfan91-
He is a libtard.
Wasn't the hole point of Disney being involved that it could last longer
I really hope it doesn't get canceled I just started watching doctor who like last year I only got to like series 3 than a bit after Christmas I saw a doctor who edit on tiktok and remembered it exited and finished 10s era than by then I finished 11s in like 2 or 3 weeks
I usaly stay up very late anyway so I didn't mind it that much being at 12 just kinda annoying I usaly made food like 10 minutes before it came out hut it wasn't done until like 1
Also will the Christmas episode come out at 12 that'd just be braindead if ut did I probably won't watch ut until the next day any tho unless it came out at Christmas eve
Also will the Christmas episode come out at 12 that'd just be braindead if ut did I probably won't watch ut until the next day any tho unless it came out at Christmas eve
Also will the Christmas episode come out at 12 that'd just be braindead if ut did I probably won't watch ut until the next day any tho unless it came out at Christmas eve
You should do a video about how modern who would look with the classic episode structure, you always talk about how the old structure was so much better than the new one but i'm not really convinced
very good idea
The biggest problem I had, was that the shadow of DT loomed too much throughout. I’m pretty sure that Disney only stumped up with the cash if the most populate Doctor came back. And that didn’t give Ncuti a fair crack at the whip in the specials. I’d have much preferred if the 3 specials were all a single story arc. So he could establish and grow into this mysterious new Doctor, travelling through uncertainty, along with the viewer, finding his place in the Tardis and Universe. Then the subsequent episodes of the series could hang off them with a connection point or two.
But Ncuti was barely in the 60th specials. He came out fully formed, which felt more weird than the bi-regen thing. And then there were too many eps amongst the meager 8 ep series were very Doctor Lite. His character didn’t have enough, or even any, mystery about him. And that’s not the actor’s fault. By the end we still had DT, which we were subtlety reminded of when Rose Noble returned in the closing ep working at Unit (obviously those 2 years selling toys online must have made given her perfect experience for a senior position in an elite international secret military agency🙄).
Anyway, I worry that DT was always the insurance policy should the Gatwa tenure, however long it lasts, be deemed a failure and Disney stop funding, then he would always be the carrot to invite new investors to help fund; yeah, prob Netflix. But I would rather the BBC bring it back inhouse and RTD gets the courage to give all the writing to legitimate sci-fi writers. If $100m gets Beatles Saves The Day, a Bridgerton parody and Bonnie Langford on a moped, then I’d rather get 12 episodes for just £5m and it be a more raw, cutback output, and one that is pure Gatwa allowing him explore the darker and more mysterious parts of the character. And DT is consigned to only doing the convention autograph table gigs.
(that was longer than I expected, sorry, so feel free to ignore! 😁)
15 does have mystery but only because we never fucking see him he's bearky in the episodes the only mystery is who yf is this guy i don't mean what's he's backstory or he's real name I mean who is he what does he do because it felt like we didn't get to see that for most episodes
As a french fan, I have a very diferent point of view on disney plus and the release schedule.
French fans used to have to wait for about a year after british release to get new episodes, and by that point they were so much spoiled, that nobody but the most casual viewers were watching them, (that plus the fact they were dubed in french and hardcore fan only watch original version but that apply to every show), so having the episodes come out at the same time worldwide on a streaming platform is litterally gold for us, even tho it's a 1 AM in France, we can still watch it the following day first thing in the morning with the whole familly and without being (overly) spoiled.
i know that Doctor Who is primarly a british show, but all of the complaints I've seen about the release schedule seem extremely british centered, while it's probably a better alternative than what happened before for other countries, (I dont have in mind the exact old release schedules for every country, but since it's generally considered a very niche show outside of the UK, it wouldnt surpise me if other television networks had the habit of handeling the diffusion really badly).
That being said, yeah I agree that Netflix might have been better for the show, but disney might have been the only company ready to diffuse the show, and between that and having to wait more than a year to legally get the episodes, I'm glad that it's on disney plus.
(sorry for the bad english)
It's difficult to know if Disney's offer might have been too good to pass up. Of course I won't even pretend to try- but what we _do_ know is that RTD insisted they partner up with a streaming service... for whatever reason. He confirmed that Disney weren't the only contenders and due to Netflix and Doctor Who's previous collaborations, it's not a stretch to believe that they were in the running as well. I suppose we'll never know for sure but still
Oh why couldn’t they just partner with Netflix? They held the streaming rights before and it worked well back then so it made sense to partner with them again. But NoOoOo, it had to be Disney, the corporation known for ruining the reputations of beloved franchises. Perhaps if Disney doesn’t renew a third season the BBC could go to Netflix as a second choice, but that’s just me being overly optimistic.
If season 3 isn’t renewed until after season 2 airs, we may or may not have a gap year. Season 1 was in production for 18 months so season 3 will likely take a similar amount of time. Thankfully, I’m pretty sure season 2 will air earlier in the year than season 1 did, probably March til April of 2025. This means that 18 months after Season 2 airs will still be late 2026 and there won’t be a gap year. This is of course best case scenario where everything goes well, it’s unfortunately more likely to be pushed back to 2027.
I do have to disagree about the 20 minute runtime though. All the popular episodic series at the moment are the ones that have one story per episode. Doctor Who stories are way too large to fit within 20 minutes so every story would have to be 2-4 parts long. I can’t think of a single successful episodic series that uses 20 minute multipart stories in recent years.
I am an American viewer of Doctor Who and even I think them releasing it at midnight UK time is such a bad idea. I have always known and appreciated as an American fan that the show is intrinsically British. What that means can change with the times obviously, but it is British nonetheless. The attempts to appeal to a much broader audience and to cater to an American audience is a really bad idea. Americans who are likely to watch a show like Doctor who will already regardless of any of that, and I think it is next to impossible for the show to capture much larger of an audience over here than it already has, and certainly will never be super mainstream. And yeah the show has a broad appeal, but it needs that younger audience, and them not catering to that is such a bad idea. I think there is certainly a chance for the show to turn things around, but the people in charge have to be willing to change course, and sadly I feel like many companies are unlikely to do that without some push, so I hope the people on the BBC side will really fight for certain things, but I think a lot needs to change and quick. Also yeah Disney plus in general is just such a bad streaming service for the show in general for every reason you said. But if the show does get canceled I do hope it wont be forever. I also think a big issue from what I have read is that Ncuti seems like a very busy actor, that was one of the issues with the 60th specials as well that led to some of the missteps i believe with the 14th doctor. I am curious how he and his schedule will affect things going forward, but hopefully it will work out.
the release time isn't even that good for USA😭
edit: just thought i should also say your whole comment is very good, thank you
@@dwfan91- Yeah its not great here as well, but I dont think it matters has much if we have a good release time. The UK is its base so it should be heavily prioritized. 😭And thanks you!
Also as far as shows go, it is the perfect show for rebooting if they do decide to kind of soft reboot again. I really like Ncuti as the doctor, but I also wouldnt mind another doctor who breaks the mold a bit with how long they are the Doctor. Almost every Nuwho doctor has exactly 3 seasons. So I wouldnt mind one who only gets 2, and then they could reboot again. I also woundnt mind a Doctor going longer than 3.
If we can't find someone, can we marry each other Dwfan91? We'll have a Doctor Who themed wedding ( and we'll dance like how 11th Doctor danced in Amy's wedding) and visit places mentioned in Doctor Who on our honeymoon. We'll start the day by watching the most underrated episodes of doctor who. Also we can talk about daily that how the one of the greatest tv series of history become literally a Disney musical joke.🤗
ok
i dont really understand why everyone hates space babies either. it was cute and fun and felt like a DrWho episode. *shrug*
facts
I think the show needs another decade+ long dark era and then another reboot. maybe it’s the only thing that’s gonna keep it a novelty, twenty years on twenty years off
this sounds like a decision someone who shouldn't be in charge would make 😂
20 YEARS? If there was to be another wilderness era I’d say maybe 5 - 10 years. I’d say my opinion on a new wilderness era is pretty mutual cause I can see the positives and negatives of it. It would be bad on the aspects of it could place Doctor Who on shakey grounds and they would have to ensure they do it right like the 2005 revival. While it would basically force Doctor Who into a position where it gets new writers and whole new creative team which would be fresh and exciting.
@@VadikoLasma When you say 'it would ensure they do it right' what you mean is, if they get it wrong we lose dr who. I'm satisfied enough with dr who as it is. I don't need them to take a massive break, risk it on something that probably won't be as good and then see the whole show go away for good. much better to just keep the show going and make it good anyway
@@dwfan91-
Apologises about this longass paragraph. Not the best at writing.
As a whole I’m not looking for wilderness years atm cause I’m interested to see where Doctor Who will go as of now. Although, I’m not particularly fond of this era so far it doesn’t mean I’m not interested to see where it goes. If there was going to be a chance of a new wilderness era it’s understandable that it brings many concerns such as losing Doctor Who altogether, but sometimes taking a break can lead to a revitalisation of the show. The 2005 revival after the 16-year hiatus showed that just stepping away and coming back with fresh ideas and new creative directions can breathe new life into the series. I think if Doctor Who was going to continue for sure I’d say it could lead to stagnation and overall loss of interest of viewers overtime as seen in the 80s (this doesn’t mean the quality was bad in that era). A brief break “could” allow time for the show to evolve and reconnect with its roots, while bringing back many more new aspects. This may result in both new and older viewers joining the show which I’d love to see. I don’t know about u, but I’ve seen a lot of people just slander the show and kinda have the same perception of the show as it was back in the late 80s which is just sad to see (I’ve seen this both irl and online).
@@VadikoLasma very good points thanks for the comment, srry if my initial reply seemed rude or flippant
Being "invested" in the ruby mystery box has nothing to do with feeling of burned by the not-reveal. I don't like being left feeling like the writer didn't figure out their own conceit. The reveal doesn't make sense with allthe stuff about a hidden song and the snow, or why even in the unit time window why the figure that was her mom was able to glitch past her.
this is fair. but to be fair to myself as well, this is pretty much exactly what i said would happen, because this is what had happened a million times before. in a weird meta sense, the ruby reveal is almost saying exactly what _I'm_ saying which is... these things don't matter and you shouldn't care about them. THE PROBLEM (very obviously) then becomes, _why is the show telling its audience that it shouldn't care about what happens in it._
The difference between me and the actual show is that I'm just some guy and the actual show is the official story. Realistically, we shouldn't be saying the same thing. I think the Ruby reveal was a massive misstep, not necessarily because it doesn't make sense but because it breeds apathy within the audience; and with where dr who is right now, i think thats the opposite of what was needed.
sorry for the long rambly comment
I think really my only problems with the new era were that it stumbled out the gate, and that they didn't have enough episodes.
Frankly, If you ask me, I think Modern Who would do better to start each season with a couple, maybe three or four, individual episodes that aren't tied into any specific plot, then (Assuming each season is 8 episodes like season 1) use the last 4-5 episodes on a Serial. I think that's the best way to get the best of both worlds, and it lets the big moments be bigger by giving them more time to breathe.
Then the Christmas Specials can just be what they've always been, A big blow out special with maybe a second or third doctor popping in for funsies.
thats actually a really good idea
In regards to the release scheduling, I think a smart thing to do would be to release episodes around 2 PM UK time, which is when the most people are awake worldwide.
I feel like the biggest issue for me is how few episodes we are getting. I would rather have a lower CGI quality if it meant we got a full 13 episode series. That put a lot more scrutiny on each episode than it needed. If we had 5 more episodes, I feel like episodes like Space Babies would be a lot more accepted because it was only 1/13 instead of 13 percent of all the DW on screen we are getting all year.
i will never forget getting turning on doctor who and getting a notification that it would be taken off of netflix february 2016. i remember my dad and i losing our SHIT. doctor who returning to netflix would not only be convenient bc most people nowadays have it, but it would just be so fucking awesome and would land so much better with netflix’s audience.
While the present does look worrying... I still think we have hope, it going back to BBC only would fix some issues. Yeah probably a big wait whilst they move over etc but there's no way doctor who is going back into the wilderness
I'm sorry, but your point about putting the show on at a better time wouldn't make any real difference (maybe worse if anything).
The 60th had good ratings for one reason. David Tennant. The Christmas special had decent ratings because it was the first episode of a new Doctor.
But outside of that, the normal season episodes have been a steady and consistent decline for years now. Changing the release to midnight was an attempt to improve the ratings (it gives the show a whole 18 hour boost compared to previous seasons).
The show has just been poor for a long time now. It's that simple. If the show was good, people would watch.
This is a very surface level analysis. "The 60th had good ratings because of David Tennant" yet the the Christmas Special very well, getting more than 2/3 specials. The word of mouth around the episodes was good- I know from personal experience talking to people that the episodes were well received enough. Now those episodes released just a few short months before the rest of the series and were not panned by critics or audiences- so why did the reception for the series proper fall way below expectations? You say its the shows quality but according to the numbers, most people didn't tune in to see whether its good or not? And it's not just numbers from the 'viewing figures,' online statistics and interest and down massively too! Here's an example for you, Doctor Who reaction videos. For the 60th, you'll see videos with hundreds of thousands of views, doing very well- but then skip ahead a few months and you'll see that for the series proper, those views have gone down to 10-20-30 thousands. A far cry from what came before even just a few months. And again I must reiterate, the word of mouth for the show was good after the Church on Ruby Road. It was hardly a despised episode that might justify such a steep decline in interest. We have NEVER seen such a large drop-off before, leading me to naturally believe that is the format, release schedule and structure of the show that let it down. If you believe this change was made in attempt to improve ratings... I don't even know because that '18 hour boost' thing is just not how it works. But needless to say I don't agree with your point and there is a lot more evidence to prove what I said in the video- that being Disney interference needs to go, they need to release it at a sensible time and they should try to prioritise having more episodes in a season if possible.
@dwfan91- I just don't buy the fact that the ratings were poor because of the time they released it. For the Whittaker era, people were saying that "overnights don't matter anymore" because people will watch when they want to. Now people are saying that the ratings are bad because they released it at the wrong time and that somehow impacts the entire 7-28 day catch-up numbers (basically admitting that overnights DO matter) and that people will see spoilers and won't bother watching? It's just a blatant contradiction and leaves me to assume that it's just an excuse.
I just think it says everything that the BBC have still refused to release the S14 AI (audience appreciation index) figures. They have never not released them for any single episodes before, let alone an entire series! What does that tell you?
To me, it's clear that the majority of people just don't like it anymore. The reasons for that are too widespread, but ultimately I think it's because the stories are just not engaging enough to audiences now and the show is just not evolving in the right way.
@@SyncCryo I think the reason the s13 ratings and beyond were poor was because of poor word of mouth. Appreciation Index is kind of pointless, certain infamous episodes have high ones and certain beloved episodes have low ones. Even polls can be unreliable, I remember that in 1982 Black Orchid was rated as the most popular episode of Season 19. I feel like saying the majority of people don’t like Doctor Who is a silly and blanket statement. It sounds more like what you Want to be true rather than what is _actually_ true.
@@dwfan91- "It sounds more like what you Want to be true rather than what is actually true."
Pretty weak argument to be honest. I don't want the show to be shit. Quite the opposite. I've made Doctor Who videos for years (although sporadically 😆). I just genuinely feel the show itself has lost its way and more and more people are switching off because it is just not worth their time. The ratings are factually at an all-time low. The general opinion amongst fans is that S14 was one of the worst seasons of the revival. Ask any fan where they would rank S14 and there is a high chance it will be near the bottom, if not THE bottom.
I mean you've literally just said the ratings were bad because of poor word of mouth...why do you think that is!
@@SyncCryo You don't want the show to be shit, but you clearly believe that it is shit. Therefore, it stands to reason that you want everyone to agree with you that the show is shit. Therefore when there are low ratings you will use that as social proof that people agree with you that the show is shit. Therefore you want it to be the case that thats why, rather than any other more logical reason. Therefore my point stands.
I said that the Jodie Whittaker series had poor word of mouth. This is undeniable. Very unpopular series of the show. The 60th, not so much. Outside of a circle of people who are more engaged in right wing politics than the actual show (which nothing wrong with that necessarily, but don't equate that community with the general audience, they are not one in the same) the 60th was generally well received.
People I know in real life enjoyed it enough and if you look on RUclips you will see clips of the Toymaker dancing with millions of views and positive comments below. So it doesn't make sense that so soon after a positive reception the ratings would nosedive _more than they did for Seasons that were far more unpopular._
The decline in ratings in such a short period of time is clearly not a 'natural response to quality' as the gap in time between S12 and S13 was far larger and the dip wasn't nearly as steep. The Timeless Child was a generally universally disliked concept and _still_ S13 got significantly higher ratings than S14 with a much worse word of mouth. There is just too much evidence to the contrary for the 'its just bad writing bro' argument to be correct. Even if it _were_ bad writing, which I disagree with but that doesn't matter right now, the release schedule, format and branding of the show all contributed to S14's lack of success and in my opinion in a much more meaningful way.
Also, this is just a me-thing, but I feel the term 'bad writing' has become a little tired/lazy in recent years. It's been a go-to criticism for so long that I feel no one knows what it even means anymore and at the very least everyone has a different definition for what they think it means. Being more specific in criticism shows not only the current creators, but also future creatives in general (for everything, not only dr who) what audiences are receptive to and what they are against.
Honestly my least favourite part of RTD2 so far has been the fan discussion, everything is mostly negative lately
Now I get some of this because it is a BBC show, and should be on your time not mine [In the U.S.] But really we have streaming. It is what streaming is for. You do not want spoilers than stay off social media. I mean folks have jobs at various shifts so there are folks who do not even get to see the initial broadcast.
Hell once upon a time if you missed a episode, you never saw it again. It was gone because we did not have streaming.
i think what we need is dwfan91 as showrunner
^^^ this guy knows whats up
It’s my absolute dream to play the Doctor and or just be on the show to write or act. But the future is so…fluid…right now that it kinda depresses me.
I believe in your dream, if I become showrunner I will hire you as the Doctor
I wonder if they would be allowed to adapt some of big finish's stuff to tue current show. Theres a lot of great stuff there that they could use. Outside of that i feel like co-showrunning between RTD and Moffatt would be the best because i feel like theyd cancel out each others worse qualities.
Overall i just wish that entities such as Disney and BBC would stop fucking around with stuff and let them operate properly. Dont press the writers, give them time to come up with good stories and plotlines. Don't just shovel money into it to make the visuals good-that makes it feel like how Marvel is currently which stings, as the show was able to do great with a smaller budget back in the day-you dont need to constrain it but make it so that great stories come first.
You know... I have this inexplicable want to rewatch the Pokemon movie I've seen 10 years ago - I wonder why. xD
On the issue of kids not watching because it drops at midnight, I have to say most kids (this is going by younger siblings in my family who are enthusiastic about the show) don’t even know it drops at midnight but still aren’t going to watch it on terrestrial broadcast the next day. Kids aren’t watching TV when it airs.
I agree with the first part of your comment but not with the second. Yes, kids have no idea when this stuff drops. That is 100% true. But their parents do or SHOULD if the marketing of the show has been properly managed. The whole thing has been turned into a hullabaloo when the messaging should be simple: Saturday, 6:30pm. Then the parents, knowing their kids like/might like Doctor Who, would call their children down at that time to watch the telly
Doctor Who will have a future, but I think it's time to leave the sexual content out...
Agreed! Russell T Davies won’t do that though as he’s got sex on the brain.
Best case scenario Disney doesn't go ahead with season 3, but the BBC takes it elsewhere. There are two odd entries in the series box sets that never line up with what came before or after. Ncuti gets to have a fitting send off (or sticks around for season 3 👀) and Who lives on.
Ideally, a return to the classic formula would be great, but tv producers seem pretty married to the idea that serious shows are 45 minutes, no matter how negatively that impacts storytelling.
This would be best case scenario. And it isn't actually that unlikely...
The uploads keep coming and I'm loving it
I have to make up for lost time yaknow how it is
@dwfan91- you do, if u don't I'm gonna be empty inside
@@pizzaro11s57 for you pizzaro, im doing it for you🫡
Rather Max
If it was a longer season the season would be better received. I think every Dr of new who has at least 1 season with 1 or 2 mid or bad episodes. At least give me 10
Just me back again to let you all know that Martha is the Goated companion and I will not hear otherwise.
I recently finished all of modern who and quite enjoyed Season One, especially the Legend of Ruby Sunday, as well as the obvious ones (Boom, 73 Yards). Ncuti absolutely had potential but I’m sorry Space Babies was trash and while I enjoyed the Devil’s Chord the story had some issues.
Wow this was a brain dump sorry but just my thoughts.
why space babies so bad😢
I’m sorry ok 😭
The CGI mouths creeped me out, the bogey man(monster) being literally made out of bogeys, the ‘calling home’ scene was from the End of the World and had less of an impact and generally I wasn’t a fan. I respect people that like it as an individual episode and a first foray into 15’s personality because he was amazing in the episode but the episode itself I couldn’t get on board with.
Scranning peanut butter and honey on toast with a cup of tea with dwfan91 on the telly 😍😍😍
hope you enjoy my brother
This might seem like an obscure comparison, but Doctor Who seems to be suffering like Rupauls Drag Race.
Both have been staples of their genre, the fanbase is set in stone for life, yet the distribution rights keep getting in the way and messing with fans. Airing some eps at 3am to 6am to 10pm. which cause huge wish wash ratings per as fans get spoiled.
Exact same for DW :(
Doctor who has not lost itself, it’s who is playing up top😢 If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!! I really hope Russell sorts this out but he can’t of course. The mouse has the Tardis by the balls rn lol
I miss waiting all day buying snacks & sitting eagerly for the episode in the evening.
The magic is there, it’s down to the fatcats in suits thinking they can monopolise streaming first . I just want RTD to tell The Mouse to get fcked.
The mouse is already sinking their own company!
My boy Ncuti can push through!!
Great video as always 91 brother🙏💙
thank u my friend
2:00 I don’t understand why people think David Tennant being the “14th Doctor” makes him a separate doctor. Grover Cleveland was the 22nd and 24th president of the US. That doesn’t make him two different presidents. David Tennant can’t be called the tenth doctor during the 60th because he’s not coming after 9. He’s coming after 13. I legitimately don’t get why so many people don’t understand this
I think the reason people think David Tennant being the 14th Doctor makes him a separate doctor is the fact that the creatives, marketers and branders of the show all collectively say he's a separate, new incarnation so I personally get why people think that.
@dwfan91 Oh yeah lol I didn’t realize that. Even so, I don’t really think the people involved telling us whether he’s a separate incarnation or not really helps. I mean you can watch the show and see exactly what’s going on. So, I think it’s more of a matter of deciding whether you would define that as a “separate incarnation” or not. To me personally, I think a big part of the show is that the different “Doctors” are the different actors/appearances the Doctor has had. So, I would call David Tennant the “10th/14th Doctor” and not “10th/14th Doctors”. But considering he has experienced being 11, 12, and 13, you could say he was a separate incarnation because he’s had different experiences and the doctor’s memories are an important part of what makes each incarnation unique. So, I think it really depends on the context whether or not he’s separate.
However, I do think it’s weird that people think he should have just been called the “10th Doctor” coming after 13. Because, he’s not coming after nine anymore so it wouldn’t make any sense to just call him the 10th again.
@@LeviPennington-vv2kq I get what you mean and would be entitled to agree if they hadn't come out and said what they said. I actually think your explanation is better. But I still get why people think the original way
I still think Russel t Davies was bullied by Disney into realising it at midnight or they won’t air it on Disney plus. I can’t understand why else they would want to have it so late. They’re pushing the doctor who team around because they can
Hope youre doing well!
💙💙✨ welcone back fave ✨💙💙 the only thing i love as much as dr who is discussing dr who! For me i feel Rose-Power of the Doctor is a besutiful journey i feel its a oerfect beginning and end... I feel Chibnall did well to link everything to the ckassic era and also truly draw it to a close....on reflection the 60th trilogy og sprcials feel like an epilogue tying it all in a bow but leaving open too... I feel i was a bit harsh on the specials/series 4 the sequel specials vibe... But overall i think actually was what we nedded for one last push! Now the 50th was better and imo TPOTD was also better but i do think that felt like a 3 hour compilation of everything the show coukd do and more ....and the giggke was an end to it....its like Nolans Dark Knight trilogy in that the first oart was a solid introduction to a new univerrse tone of a popular name, the middle chapter shook everything and everyone raves about anf the conclusion controversial but solid....but for me series 14 was not for me ...its solid i guess anf on a level but its my keast fsvourite ....not as terribke as 80s Who but down there ... Im apathetic to the show going firward i love Ncuti and Millie and overall irs solid....but it lacks so much ....we likely have 10 more stories (plus spin off!) in this era but i do feel after RTD needs to work on what makes the show amazing in the first place .....heres hoping to the future 💙💙✨
Current state of Jaconda
current state of the twin dilemma review
@@dwfan91- TRUE
What about the current state of Thoros-Beta
Space Baby’s was really bad imo, it’s just very cringe worthy and too fast paced to have any sort of feeling of threat, etc. But the rest of the season was pretty good
fair enough
I pray that in season 15 the doctor is not as annoying as he was in season 14
RTD2 S2 ! Is this a star wars droid?
thats why I love saying it😂
I think they just ran out of ideas, which is okay. I don't think they can recreate the incredible vibes of the #10/#11 era of the show (Capaldi was great too but some of his episodes were mid). I think the show should've just ended and then been revived again 15 or so years later, just like it was in 2005, but with an entirely new universe instead.
no
New vid yay
Also Ireland was left out so no one In Ireland was able to watch it on Disney plus
In my country the episodes were available in the morning - It doesn't really bother me, nor did it my friends. I think RTD has made some changes that haven't worked, and he took for granted an audience that isn't guaranteed anymore. Too many people got burned during either the Capaldi or Whittaker run, and weren't converted back to fans when Tennant/Tate re-united.
I think we need another hiatus - Wilderness years 2.0 (It needs to be reinvented with a new template like RTD originally did back in 2005). Good video.
I always watched the new episode on Iplayer when I woke up, I don't use most social media, so I didn't need to worry about spoilers.
At this stage cancellation or a long hiatus would be a mercy killing! ❤
@@Frank-Einstein-Madman no it wouldn’t.
@@dwfan91-
I enjoy your content but I politely disagree, the show needs a break and either a soft or a hard reboot.
I've been a fan for almost fifty years and myself and many of my friends from many diverse walks of life that have been fans for years have also given up on this show!
This is the worst take I've ever heard
A long hiatus is not what this show needs at all
LETS GOOOO
I am so late but so ready to watch this entire video
you consistently make such good points that ive started verbally agreeing when you say something based on
I think DT has gotten a lot of hate for hogging two Dr reincarnations especially from people who share opinions with Peter Capaldi. Not really his fault but seems to be why he has stated he won't return to Dr who (apart from anniversary stuff)
Hope he has got links with other Dr actors still
I think many S3 scripts have been drafted but until the BBC know exactly where the money is coming from with 100% certainty nothing will go into production on S3.
Disney need to make a decision one way or another & won't be pushed. They could even go back to being an international distributor (instead of being that & a contributor to the production budget) in the end leaving many rewrites to the S3 scripts if they pull back
its very difficult to know whats going on through the PR speak and the other vague clues they post, but I think you're right. If Season 3 _is_ going to come out, it might be without Disney, or with them only distributing it. We know there are drafts for S3 but nothing commissioned
edit: I feel like the BBC wouldn't let their biggest IP just go to nowhere, so even if S3 doesn't happen, I don't think Dr Who will stop but hell who knows, its still early days we're talking about stuff 2/3 years down the line
@@dwfan91-Agreed. I think at the very worst there will be a Xmas Day special filmed in 2025 for 2026, I'm just afraid that could be a regeneration event. We know nothing until it's official 100%
Theres a sour taste in my mouth about the entirety of new who in restrospect
The og RTD era was a breath of fresh air from a new creative team in a new generation of producers and writers.
Moffat’s era was a no brainer, he was the obvious choice.
By the time chibnal came around you’re now 3 showrunners and 12 years in a row with men of the same generation.
Now RTD is back, and we haven’t moved forward into new ideas and a new generation and new writers for nearly 20 years.
Bring in a younger showrunner, bring in someone who was inspired by the early days of new who and other media.
It needs to move forwards
I think new who as a whole is a good show, but it holds nothing on the original and it never has. a good effort though
@@dwfan91- i disagree, the original was a mishmash of quality and had its own issues. The problem is that it isn’t moving forward and its stagnating. Moving to a similar showrunner within the same circle isn’t breathing new life. A newer showrunner with fresh ideas and a different outlook on modern tv would be fresh
@@gf1006 I disagree. The original Doctor Who is the best television show of all time
Who cares about the releasing hour. Just wait and binge watch it like the rest of us. What's wrong with you people it's 2024 everything is available 24/7
this series isn't good to binge watch, each episode apart from the finale are disconnected and there are several month gaps between them chronologically
Oh my god thank you so much for reading my comment and reply. I appreciate it so so much.
@@shaghayeghtehrani6285 np my friend :)
Let us know what’s going on with the current state of doctor who 😂🫡
say no more
You're old enough to remember the wilderness years?
i am 91
HELP THEY YASIFIED THE DOCTOR
you consistently make such good points that ive started verbally agreeing when you say something based
Agree with basically everything, do you think there is a chance if it did get axed from D+ they'd move to Netflix though?
No, and I don't want it to be on any streaming service. I believe if S3 happens, and without Disney, it'll be like the 60th Specials where its just Bad Wolf payroling it. And if that happens I'll be just fine with it
I personally didn’t like the fact that episodes came onto iPlayer at midnight, but ultimately the only people who would even consider watching at midnight are the dedicated fans who would watch the episode anyway. I imagine that most of the people who gave up watching were the more casual fans, many of whom may not have even realised that episodes were on iPlayer from midnight, and even if they did I struggle to see how that would stop them from watching on BBC One the next day. It’s certainly no more of a hassle to watch on BBC One now than it was previously. Also, more casual fans are probably less likely to follow many Doctor Who related things on social media, so wouldn’t necessarily see spoilers the next day (particularly when most episodes in this series didn’t have that much to spoil).
I agree with some points and don't agree with others. On your last point- this is kind of what I was getting at. "Most episodes in this series didn't have much to spoil" - Exactly. Therefore when people (and yes, casual fans use social media too) wake up and scroll through and get the cliffnotes, they feel an even smaller drive to actually go back and check the episodes out. For example, when Rogue came out. Someone may wake up, go on their phone, see a post of someone saying words along the lines of 'omg the Shalka dr confirmed!!!' not know what that is but know that if something ACTUALLY EXCITING had happened then everyone would be talking about it. Deduce therefore that nothing actually exciting happened and then conclude that there is no point in watching the episode. On your earlier point "why would that stop them watching the next day" because its a re-run. You can watch it whenever you want, why would you arbitrarily watch at 6pm. This lack of FOMO, scarcity or event status leads to no drive from the audience to sit down and watch. What I will say I agree with is the fact that only the hardcores are going to watch at midnight. But what time a show comes out is important. What time/date _anything_ comes out is important. This apathy towards when a show airs is exactly why there is such diminished passion for the show right now overall from audiences.
@@dwfan91-of course casual fans use social media. But if you are a casual fan you probably don’t follow people who are dedicated enough fans that they stayed up to midnight to watch, so you are unlikely to see many spoilers when you wake up. To give a parallel, I would consider myself a casual Star Wars fan but I haven’t seen the new shows. Because I don’t follow many accounts that are hardcore Star Wars fans, I haven’t seen any spoilers on social media.
I also can’t see how it is a rerun when Doctor Who airs on TV because although it isn’t the earliest you can watch the episode, that is the allocated slot, so people who have BBC 1 on will naturally watch at that time. I would have preferred if they didn’t do the midnight drops because I personally don’t like having to avoid social media until Saturday evening, but I don’t think it would be a massive issue for casual viewers. Personally I think starting the series with two fairly weak, light-hearted episodes that make Doctor Who hard to take seriously was a much bigger factor in the lack of interest.
@@doctorravenclaw2649 I also consider myself a casual star wars fan. I watched Andor but outside of that I've been checked out for a few years or so. When the Acolyte was coming out, through osmosis I still caught a few looks here and there and know the basic outline of the story despite not watching it. And the reason its a re-run is because it already came out and then you're airing it again.