I'm just starting to work from this book and it's very cool. Nice to have a lesson/demo of the book, to demonstrate its musical potential. Thanks Mikko!!!
Hello Mikko---- I came across this video about a year ago, tried these patterns and found them interesting. Then I went away and forgot about them and focused on other stuff. Then I came back and found it again. For some reason, I haven't seen these patterns elsewhere. In Coker's "Patterns For Jazz" and other pattern examples I've seen, practically all patterns in major and minor are 1-2-3-5 and their permutations. The vast majority of other books have arpeggios 1-3-5-7 etc. I'm not musically trained enough to understand why these Bergonzi patterns sound and feel better, but basically I see these as just triads with a passing note. The critical difference is that when you switch from major to minor or b9 etc. you immediately hear the difference. Especially with the altered chords. This is a major revelation to me. I've been improvising with these.... and they work! My ear takes over and goes to the right note. Not like the standard 1-3-5-7 or 1-2-3-5 at all!
Really enjoyed your lessons on Autumn leaves and this one and practicing some of the material. Thank You! Quick question about the book you suggested: 1. Is it all musical notation? Any tablature? 2. Does it come with a CD with examples of the patterns 3. Is the cost in the 35$ range? Thanks again.
Sorry what do you mean? Other than the ones in the book. There are patterns in the book to last a lifetime haha. I think it's best to narrow it down at first and pick few ones that you really like and really get them under your fingers before moving on to more advanced patterns
@@Mikkokosmos I meant "combinations" of the 1235/1345. Sorry I wasnt clear. You say that some are better than others, which one would you recommand to start with ? Also which one do you think are less effective ? Thank you for your answer !
@@Fenouil2020 ah I see. Hard to remember my old videos sometimes this one is like six years old. I think you should decide which of the patterns you like for yourself :) That's part of the process
I'd love more of these lessons on applying the Bergonzi patterns in actual bop tunes. The books are sax oriented of course and It's so helpful seeing how you use your left hand fingering approaches for these patterns when applying over some of the bop tunes. Thanks!
That would be SOoooo helpful. Thanks, Mikko. I've tried in the past to use the books but always got a little twisted up when trying to figure out the best fingerings while applying the patterns to bop tunes. I know there is no one "correct" way, but some seeing this stuff used in the "real world" on guitar would help a bunch, so thanks!
On another song ( Never be another you ) The final Turn around .............. Do you play over each chord .............I saw you do It while showing this same concept BUT I might just go to the key center and play something Instead. ( I haven't tried It ) If It would work. I would have to create lines and memorize lines to make It work smooth. Do you play over those changes or do you feel It's optional to find another way ( simplified ) version?
Yeah those changes are tricky. I want to be able to outline them but I often find myself ignoring them and play "over" them. That's called harmonic generalisation. Anytime there is a tournaround like that there are many variations you can use as substitutions as well. Check out my video on how to solo over There Will Never be... 😎
Ok there have to be at least 20 combinations in that 4 note patterns.... why 4 notes? why not 5 or 8 ?? Coltrane motifs as I understand them are these basic 4 note flavors so that they can be sequenced quickly during fast tempos . But what about slower tunes?
all the combinations or permutations are listed in the book Melodic Structures that I mention in the video. Some permutations sound better than others not all are relevant in my opinion. Eight notes? there are only seven notes in a scale. The idea of the method in this book is not to sequence the patterns at fast tempos but to use them as a vehicle to outline the changes you're playing over. Works best when trying to play over more difficult changes. It's an alternative to regular chord tones. These shapes are easier to manipulate for some reason. Check out my video on Naima for ideas on slower tones and extended arpeggios 😎👍
Hey Mikko, Blues for Alice I studied also years ago, Nice favourite Tune, Do you know the pentatonic drop 2(tone skipping) over more than one cotave paterns of Jerry Bergonzi? I did study it till now I don't think it had already entered my playing, those are very beatiful, but mean difficult(orcs)
If so I recommend picking an easier tune first. Maybe Blue Bossa. If you have som tool to make change the speed of the backing track that would help? Have you tried Irealbook? 🙂👍
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that 3-5-2-1 pattern is a gem.
I'm just starting to work from this book and it's very cool. Nice to have a lesson/demo of the book, to demonstrate its musical potential. Thanks Mikko!!!
Great lesson, great jam Mikko!
LOve this video, and as before...love your down to earth approach. Cheers! :)
Great lesson, makes a lot of sense and sounds really good.
37BopCity 2017 thank you 🤓
Thanks! its very well explained and useful, greetings!
still I worked through all your practicings, because I like your timing, and the way you played it immideately made a lot of sense + nice accents
Great !!! Master!!!
Thank you for including your personal study on Melodic Structures. Just printed out...time to go practice it!
Mark
I love your channel
Hello Mikko---- I came across this video about a year ago, tried these patterns and found them interesting. Then I went away and forgot about them and focused on other stuff. Then I came back and found it again. For some reason, I haven't seen these patterns elsewhere. In Coker's "Patterns For Jazz" and other pattern examples I've seen, practically all patterns in major and minor are 1-2-3-5 and their permutations. The vast majority of other books have arpeggios 1-3-5-7 etc. I'm not musically trained enough to understand why these Bergonzi patterns sound and feel better, but basically I see these as just triads with a passing note. The critical difference is that when you switch from major to minor or b9 etc. you immediately hear the difference. Especially with the altered chords. This is a major revelation to me. I've been improvising with these.... and they work! My ear takes over and goes to the right note. Not like the standard 1-3-5-7 or 1-2-3-5 at all!
Yes this method is less common but I have seen it in other books as well. It espessially works over "chordy" tunes 😎
Thanks for this video. I just started working out of that book a few weeks ago, and it is good to see where it goes.
Great, you'll love it! :D
Splendid..
Really enjoyed your lessons on Autumn leaves and this one and practicing some of the material. Thank You! Quick question about the book you suggested: 1. Is it all musical notation? Any tablature? 2. Does it come with a CD with examples of the patterns 3. Is the cost in the 35$ range? Thanks again.
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Could you recommand other patterns ? How much patterns should we start with ?
Sorry what do you mean? Other than the ones in the book. There are patterns in the book to last a lifetime haha. I think it's best to narrow it down at first and pick few ones that you really like and really get them under your fingers before moving on to more advanced patterns
@@Mikkokosmos
I meant "combinations" of the 1235/1345. Sorry I wasnt clear.
You say that some are better than others, which one would you recommand to start with ?
Also which one do you think are less effective ?
Thank you for your answer !
@@Fenouil2020 ah I see. Hard to remember my old videos sometimes this one is like six years old. I think you should decide which of the patterns you like for yourself :) That's part of the process
@@Mikkokosmos
Fine, thank you !
I guess I should prefer those whith chord tones on the beat !
I'd love more of these lessons on applying the Bergonzi patterns in actual bop tunes. The books are sax oriented of course and It's so helpful seeing how you use your left hand fingering approaches for these patterns when applying over some of the bop tunes. Thanks!
Steve M thank you! That's a great topic for a lesson I'll get on it! 🤓
That would be SOoooo helpful. Thanks, Mikko. I've tried in the past to use the books but always got a little twisted up when trying to figure out the best fingerings while applying the patterns to bop tunes. I know there is no one "correct" way, but some seeing this stuff used in the "real world" on guitar would help a bunch, so thanks!
What books would you recommend to help a bass player solo better?
On another song ( Never be another you ) The final Turn around .............. Do you play over each chord .............I saw you do It while showing this same concept BUT I might just go to the key center and play something Instead. ( I haven't tried It ) If It would work. I would have to create lines and memorize lines to make It work smooth. Do you play over those changes or do you feel It's optional to find another way ( simplified ) version?
Yeah those changes are tricky. I want to be able to outline them but I often find myself ignoring them and play "over" them. That's called harmonic generalisation. Anytime there is a tournaround like that there are many variations you can use as substitutions as well. Check out my video on how to solo over There Will Never be... 😎
E split? First time I've heard it called that. Is that a Swedish thing?
Glen McGlone 🤣 Something I picked up when I lived in Canada 🇸🇪🇨🇦
Bird blues :)
Gianluca Fraccalvieri Yes! That's! what it's called! 😃
Ahahahah :)
Another great video! Do you teach lessons on Zoom?
thanks :) Yes I have a few Zoomers :)
@@Mikkokosmos very cool. I’m interested, how do I get in touch? Message you on Patreon?
@@slimlewisguitar you can find my email here on my profile page 🙂
Ok there have to be at least 20 combinations in that 4 note patterns.... why 4 notes? why not 5 or 8 ?? Coltrane motifs as I understand them are these basic 4 note flavors so that they can be sequenced quickly during fast tempos . But what about slower tunes?
all the combinations or permutations are listed in the book Melodic Structures that I mention in the video. Some permutations sound better than others not all are relevant in my opinion. Eight notes? there are only seven notes in a scale. The idea of the method in this book is not to sequence the patterns at fast tempos but to use them as a vehicle to outline the changes you're playing over. Works best when trying to play over more difficult changes. It's an alternative to regular chord tones. These shapes are easier to manipulate for some reason. Check out my video on Naima for ideas on slower tones and extended arpeggios 😎👍
@@Mikkokosmos Well I think I reviewing these books is very good.
I have a lot of books that you have a showing but that one by Jerry by made my eyes water
You should get Joe Pass’s book if not done already.
It's a Bird blues.
yes,I've also heard it called "swedish blues"
Hey Mikko, Blues for Alice I studied also years ago, Nice favourite Tune, Do you know the pentatonic drop 2(tone skipping) over more than one cotave paterns of Jerry Bergonzi? I did study it till now I don't think it had already entered my playing, those are very beatiful, but mean difficult(orcs)
Hey. Those octave jumps are very difficult 😳
I am not totally sure, but could it be that Charlie Parker had Au Privave in mind and ear, and wanted to go a bop a bit more brutally???
Its great , but very difficult and too fast playing for advanced players like me .
If so I recommend picking an easier tune first. Maybe Blue Bossa. If you have som tool to make change the speed of the backing track that would help? Have you tried Irealbook? 🙂👍
@@Mikkokosmos Thank you i will look up for blue bossa first !
Turn your neck PU lower, you're hitting it the whole time with your pick?!! And: your guitar will sound jazzier ;)