Thank you Kern for doing this video. I hope this kit will work for your cars as it seems like a perfect upgrade for your setup and piece of mind to cool iat temps.
We have our interchiller on a number of B58's, it is not anywhere near as hard as you have explained. All we do is divorce the intercooler from the current fluid loop, place it on its own intercooler pump with the chiller. We sell these kits on our website. We also are going to be developing a plug and play kit across many of the different models which use the water:refrigerant AC condenser (stack plate) system in the near future. For now through the kits we do sell on this platform work fine and are certainly not complicated.
I have been very interested in your B58 kit. I have had a tab open on my computer for a couple of months. I would like to see a video about the installation and the available options.
@@trevorsonnenberg5268 when we finish developing a plug and play kit we will release videos, until then the kits we make come with install photos from the same model car as reference, if you want a copy of these photos/instructions please email the office.
There are two separate heat exchanger water/coolant loops on the Gen 2 B58 cars. One is for the engine coolant, and the other is for the intercooler and AC condenser. When you switch to running an interchiller, the water hoses that go to/from your charge air intercooler are replaced with new hoses that go through the interchiller and will no longer go through the factory heat exchanger radiators in the front of your car. Those stock heat exchangers in the front of the car that used to cool both the intercooler and the AC condenser will now be for the AC condenser only. Installing an interchiller will definitely be a big improvement over continuing to run the factory air to water setup or running an ice box. Forced Induction Interchillers makes a plug and play setup for the Gen 2 B58 cars and they are the best interchillers I’m aware of.
Also, regarding meth injection, many of you are thinking it’s the only thing you need to reduce IATs, however, according to testing by Forced Induction Interchillers, meth injection can lower the intake air temperature however it’s not as good as you are led to believe. From FI Interchillers tech article - Most often if a large IAT reduction is shown this is because the methanol vapor is evaporating on the actual IAT sensor, hitting and cooling the sensor more so than cooling the air. This makes sense for several reasons: the methanol is obviously denser than air (heavier) even when sprayed in a fine mist, it therefore is more likely to hit hot surfaces and evaporate on those surfaces and cool the surfaces instead of cooling the air mass. The air mass is so much lighter than the methanol (meth isn’t going to smash into an air molecule and just evaporate) it’s the material surfaces that the methanol comes into contact with, as example the body of the intake manifold and/or the body of the IAT temp sensor probe. Touching these can be cold with your hand which leads people to believe the air inside it will be cold, when it’s simply not.
What’s swingin’ fam! I see you in these threads. Q. With the AC Condenser dedicated to the air conditioner, does an interchiller screw up the a/c ability to manage temps by making it too cold or just make the a/c more effective?
@@sharifmowad627 What's up fam. The AC system will work just as it did before if the chiller is installed correctly with the correct parts. FI interchillers is the only company I know so far that sells a full kit with everything to properly run a chiller on the B58.
You remove the OEM heat exchanger when you do the interchiller setup. If you don't want to use the OEM AC system, you can get an electric compressor off a prius and a standalone condensor to mount in place of where the OEM heat exchanger is and run it off a switch/relay off thermal temp probe in the coolant loop. Easy stuff and concept IMO and it works great.
we retain the OEM heat exchanger on the B58 setup, we however divorce the intercooler from the fluid loop and place it on a new intercooler pump with the chiller as the heat exchanger on these cars is used to cool the AC condenser as the condenser is a liquid to refrigerant condenser.
Interchiller works amazing. Have it on my B58tu and much better option than ice box. They sell you the extra coolant reservoir and tell you how to do the heat exchanger delete. Consistent cooling and having the A/C on isn’t an issue at WOT
I didn't realise my S55 actually uses AC air to cool it. I suspected it did because the chargecooler is properly cold to touch. But didn't think it was feasible from an engineering point of view.
Yeah they’ve been doing this on Hellcats and C7z’s for years. It’s a neat concept, but unless you are maximizing hp it’s not worth the cost. Meth injection, imho, is still a better way to cool the boosted air in these platforms than interchillers
it reminds me of the aftermarket hot air intakes - in that they don't yield any net gains no matter what the sales guys say. Usually they are worse than contemporary OE intakes, unless the filter is too small. These condensers are not free energy and cost horsepower to run, but also the intake temps need to be optimized. It is not a case of the colder, the better. In fact for optimum stochiemetric trim, we need intake temps of 90 - 120 for best air charge density. This would only help if you ran extreme boost to the levels that are close to blowing head off or making valves chatter. And the ECU maps know this and run the water to air intercooling systems accordingly. There's no free lunch and no silver bullet or magic. Water meth is much better if you are running really high boost.
@@gendaminoru3195 that is absolutely not true. The same reason why a car is faster in cold weather or better DA, colder air is always better. The drivetrain loss is minimal for the performance gains.
@@kern417 You're not getting the point. There is an optimum temp and it is not advisable to get as cold as you can - if you want the most energy out of your combustion that is. I study and engineer in the Brayton Cycle where we need Carnot efficiency optimized not ICE's where you use adiabatic isentropic compression. I see you didn't answer my first question about boost levels warranting chillers, but chose this post. So not being into keyboard warriors, I'll go ahead and unsubscribe and enjoy my B58s elsewhere.
@@gendaminoru3195 true, wouldn't make sense to run this on a stock car. but big single turbo b58, pushing a lot more power than it should will easily be hotter than stock and warrant the temp drop these kits offer while staying in that optimal temp range for IATs, not sure of the longevity of these things, or what issues they may cause until someone builds a really nice reliable system. Water meth is nice, ran it on my 370z that was TT'd, but I would've loved having an option like this since Its a lot easier to just set and forget
This might be a stupid question but I haven't seen anything else online. How beneficial would it be if I used a 50/50 water methanol injection system but instead of filling my car at room temperature, I would first store it in some kind of refrigerator set to just above its melting point?(I would probably want to put some insulation around my cars meth tank and piping to minimize any loses this is especially true in the engine bay, where such a cold liquid in a skiny pipe will quickly absorb any heat)
Probably wouldn’t gain that much for the amount of work/weight put into making this happen. But that’s not to say that there hasn’t been instances in other fields where something similar was used. IE: the SR-71 used strategically placed fuel lines/cooling blocks to help cool critical components and the airframe its self.
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Thank you Kern for doing this video. I hope this kit will work for your cars as it seems like a perfect upgrade for your setup and piece of mind to cool iat temps.
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Hat really brings out your eyes Kevin
We have our interchiller on a number of B58's, it is not anywhere near as hard as you have explained. All we do is divorce the intercooler from the current fluid loop, place it on its own intercooler pump with the chiller. We sell these kits on our website. We also are going to be developing a plug and play kit across many of the different models which use the water:refrigerant AC condenser (stack plate) system in the near future. For now through the kits we do sell on this platform work fine and are certainly not complicated.
I have been very interested in your B58 kit. I have had a tab open on my computer for a couple of months. I would like to see a video about the installation and the available options.
@@trevorsonnenberg5268 when we finish developing a plug and play kit we will release videos, until then the kits we make come with install photos from the same model car as reference, if you want a copy of these photos/instructions please email the office.
@@ForcedInductionInterchillersWill the kit fit a 540i?
@@mohckfn9925 yes it will
@@ForcedInductionInterchillers 2 weeks? I think I have a better chance of bm3 rev2 board releasing.
You haven’t mentioned RK Tunes just went 7.87 in their G80 M3.
Love these videos man, you are truly the village elder/mountain sage of the B58 🧙♂
You explained it best bro. Imagine single turbo b58 or s58 port injection with inter chiller set up. Xdrive drivetrain solution setup…
There are two separate heat exchanger water/coolant loops on the Gen 2 B58 cars. One is for the engine coolant, and the other is for the intercooler and AC condenser.
When you switch to running an interchiller, the water hoses that go to/from your charge air intercooler are replaced with new hoses that go through the interchiller and will no longer go through the factory heat exchanger radiators in the front of your car. Those stock heat exchangers in the front of the car that used to cool both the intercooler and the AC condenser will now be for the AC condenser only.
Installing an interchiller will definitely be a big improvement over continuing to run the factory air to water setup or running an ice box. Forced Induction Interchillers makes a plug and play setup for the Gen 2 B58 cars and they are the best interchillers I’m aware of.
Also, regarding meth injection, many of you are thinking it’s the only thing you need to reduce IATs, however, according to testing by Forced Induction Interchillers, meth injection can lower the intake air temperature however it’s not as good as you are led to believe.
From FI Interchillers tech article - Most often if a large IAT reduction is shown this is because the methanol vapor is evaporating on the actual IAT sensor, hitting and cooling the sensor more so than cooling the air. This makes sense for several reasons: the methanol is obviously denser than air (heavier) even when sprayed in a fine mist, it therefore is more likely to hit hot surfaces and evaporate on those surfaces and cool the surfaces instead of cooling the air mass. The air mass is so much lighter than the methanol (meth isn’t going to smash into an air molecule and just evaporate) it’s the material surfaces that the methanol comes into contact with, as example the body of the intake manifold and/or the body of the IAT temp sensor probe. Touching these can be cold with your hand which leads people to believe the air inside it will be cold, when it’s simply not.
What’s swingin’ fam! I see you in these threads. Q. With the AC Condenser dedicated to the air conditioner, does an interchiller screw up the a/c ability to manage temps by making it too cold or just make the a/c more effective?
@@sharifmowad627 What's up fam. The AC system will work just as it did before if the chiller is installed correctly with the correct parts. FI interchillers is the only company I know so far that sells a full kit with everything to properly run a chiller on the B58.
You remove the OEM heat exchanger when you do the interchiller setup. If you don't want to use the OEM AC system, you can get an electric compressor off a prius and a standalone condensor to mount in place of where the OEM heat exchanger is and run it off a switch/relay off thermal temp probe in the coolant loop. Easy stuff and concept IMO and it works great.
we retain the OEM heat exchanger on the B58 setup, we however divorce the intercooler from the fluid loop and place it on a new intercooler pump with the chiller as the heat exchanger on these cars is used to cool the AC condenser as the condenser is a liquid to refrigerant condenser.
0:01 time to prepare for something chilly. 🥶
Interchiller works amazing. Have it on my B58tu and much better option than ice box. They sell you the extra coolant reservoir and tell you how to do the heat exchanger delete.
Consistent cooling and having the A/C on isn’t an issue at WOT
How much are you boosting?
@@weduhpeople850450Psi 7275
What was your before and after temps
What kit?
@@pantology he is using our kit :)
I love these style of videos
Cobb developments in uk managed to get this done
Very interesing, until now it was all very confusing, you made it understandable,
I didn't realise my S55 actually uses AC air to cool it. I suspected it did because the chargecooler is properly cold to touch. But didn't think it was feasible from an engineering point of view.
Yeah they’ve been doing this on Hellcats and C7z’s for years. It’s a neat concept, but unless you are maximizing hp it’s not worth the cost. Meth injection, imho, is still a better way to cool the boosted air in these platforms than interchillers
Yeah they’ve been doing this on Hellcats and C7z’s for years. It’s a neat concept
it reminds me of the aftermarket hot air intakes - in that they don't yield any net gains no matter what the sales guys say. Usually they are worse than contemporary OE intakes, unless the filter is too small. These condensers are not free energy and cost horsepower to run, but also the intake temps need to be optimized. It is not a case of the colder, the better. In fact for optimum stochiemetric trim, we need intake temps of 90 - 120 for best air charge density. This would only help if you ran extreme boost to the levels that are close to blowing head off or making valves chatter. And the ECU maps know this and run the water to air intercooling systems accordingly. There's no free lunch and no silver bullet or magic. Water meth is much better if you are running really high boost.
@@gendaminoru3195 that is absolutely not true. The same reason why a car is faster in cold weather or better DA, colder air is always better. The drivetrain loss is minimal for the performance gains.
@@kern417 You're not getting the point. There is an optimum temp and it is not advisable to get as cold as you can - if you want the most energy out of your combustion that is. I study and engineer in the Brayton Cycle where we need Carnot efficiency optimized not ICE's where you use adiabatic isentropic compression. I see you didn't answer my first question about boost levels warranting chillers, but chose this post. So not being into keyboard warriors, I'll go ahead and unsubscribe and enjoy my B58s elsewhere.
@@gendaminoru3195 true, wouldn't make sense to run this on a stock car. but big single turbo b58, pushing a lot more power than it should will easily be hotter than stock and warrant the temp drop these kits offer while staying in that optimal temp range for IATs, not sure of the longevity of these things, or what issues they may cause until someone builds a really nice reliable system. Water meth is nice, ran it on my 370z that was TT'd, but I would've loved having an option like this since Its a lot easier to just set and forget
I was only stating that the concept isn’t entirely new to the automotive world 🤣
Is an interchiller the same as an intercooler? 😊
I wanna do this to my n55
So is this for boost over 20 psi? Isn't water - meth a better solution? What does the ECU think if the temp is too low? ASMR at the end.
I heard there’s a boost limit not reaching 30 psi using the interchiller.
we have cars running 42-45psi of boost, there is no HP limit or boost limit to our chillers
This might be a stupid question but I haven't seen anything else online. How beneficial would it be if I used a 50/50 water methanol injection system but instead of filling my car at room temperature, I would first store it in some kind of refrigerator set to just above its melting point?(I would probably want to put some insulation around my cars meth tank and piping to minimize any loses this is especially true in the engine bay, where such a cold liquid in a skiny pipe will quickly absorb any heat)
@@TheWeavingBagel might as well just run an ice box. Easier to fill as needed. Refrigerated fluid will warm up and stay warm.
Probably wouldn’t gain that much for the amount of work/weight put into making this happen. But that’s not to say that there hasn’t been instances in other fields where something similar was used. IE: the SR-71 used strategically placed fuel lines/cooling blocks to help cool critical components and the airframe its self.