The Insane Moment That A Flight BOUNCED Off Water | Air Maroc 439
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- The rules and regulations of aviation are there to make flying as safe as possible. And for the vast majority of the time, it is. Air travel is by far the safest mode of transport. But, what if the pilots were to simply ignore the rules. Safety record would mean nothing. And in the case of Air Maroc Express 439. This is clear. Where the disregard for even the most basic safe practices is astounding.
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CREDITS
Voice Actors
Captain - Joe Louison
First Officer - Jens (Lezvox) Bak
Air Traffic Control - Jens (Lezvox) Bak
Music
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Sim Footage
Prepar3D
Camera System - ChasePlane
Ground Services - GSX
ATR-72 - Carenado
Air Maroc Livery - Aithamy
0:00 Intro
0:33 Flight Details
1:53 Flight 1 Casablanca - Al Hoceima
4:48 Flight 3 Pre-Flight
7:02 Flight 3 Tangier - Al Hoceima
8:53 Accident Sequence
10:35 Analysis and Conclusions
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How on earth did this captain make it to 61 years old with his decision making skills?
Its not about the decision making he got the intuition feels and solves problems he make 🤣
As Ratan Tata once said "I dont make right decisions, I make decisions and make them right."
My thoughts too
Anush Sivakumar r8diculous misquote
He always makes risky desicions, like been a pilot.
this is where Pilots should have been charged with deliberate dereliction of duty, and arrested for endangering lives and sentenced to good five years. People pay for trip to the destination of choice, being ditched just short or allowing airlines to put a pair of absolute idiots in the cockpit is not covered in that fare.
hmm bit harsh 5years..the pilots were fools certainly narcissistic attitude but he bounced onto the sea apart from Scully not many planes do that and everyone walks away of course that should never happen and the pilots should never fly passengers again. and stick to riding a bike man like this would be gungho in a car.
@@carolewilson1311 nah 5 years seems reasonable
Did the FO get charged? Seems like the FO was just following orders (as cliche as that sounds) and even tried to make corrective action before the PIC overpowered him.
Edit: just remembered he agreed to disabling the GPWS. With that in mind... I have to say he's almost as culpable.
@@carolewilson1311 he bounced off the water because he was reckless and negligent, not because of equipment failure or bird strike… what a ludicrous take this is
Here's the low down from the American side. In the USA we deem that any criminal action against someone for violation of the FAR's (federal aviation regulations) as absolutely unacceptable. In the EU and Australia, and many parts of South America and other places it is normal to criminally charge pilots for misconduct or their involvement in an accident. The problem is that here in the USA legal battles are costly. Simply pleading guilty already runs you thousands of dollars in lawyer and legal fees. The problem is complex, but at the end of the day a husband flying his wife and dog shares the same burden of PIC responsibility as an airline pilot. Should that husband be held to the same standard of being criminaly charged for a felony and five years? Is his burden the same as these RAM Air pilots here? I don't know, a jury wouldn't know, but a court would happily drain that man and his wife and their dog of every penny they posses in order to find out. Is a pilot who makes a dangerous maneuver in order to save the day during an emergency held to the same level of liability? They probably wouldn't be, but if we charged them they would pay a pretty penny just for someone else asking the question. If you think about it, when you buy an airline ticket after watching this video, and click "I agree" to the liability statement, you have informed consent. You have signed your life away knowing the risks. These people (the RAM Air Pilots) should never fly again and should have their licenses revoked. Is that not punishment enough? They toiled for years and spent thousands of dollars on training for those permits (unless they were in the military) and have had their primary means of obtaining income stripped from them forever. I'd say that's good enough. But each country has its own factors to account for, just giving you the other perspective.
We hit a bird. Unfortunately the bird was floating on the water at the time.
He was just being accurate -> bird-brain causes strike on the water
this isn't an accident.
this is a deliberate attempt to break the law and put people in danger intentionally.
This is the “it won’t happen to me”
“Im too good at my job to listen to the plane” mentality that stupid people have that leads to their death, if you are attempting to say he deliberately tried to kill everyone on the plane, you’ve mistake. He’s just an idiot and unfortunately stupid kills.
Baffled to see that the pilots briefed themselves to actually descend below the MDA on purpose, and even decided to turn off the EGPWS on purpose. This is one of the most bizarre cases of lack of airmanship ive ever seen. What a SINISTER remark by the captain when he says i will monitor the water!
Yeah. I wondered how he was going to do that. It’s impossible to tell with any certainty how high you are above the water. This is why naval pilots are told to not release their parachute until their feet are wet. There’s just no way of knowing, other than the electronic equipment, which itself has a bit of uncertainty.
On the other hand, somebody on the plane was exceptionally lucky.
This is madness
Well, he did do what he said, he "monitored" the water at extremely close range, ...by direct contact sampling.
I think it is the first story you cover where pilots are just 100% responsible for what is happening. It is scary that pilots can go full Top Gun mode, but also reassuring that these cases don't happen often, or at least I hope so. Really great videos, good explanations of all the systems involved.
Well, I'd say the company is still responsible for having this kind of pilots in their payroll. It's difficult to believe this was the first time this captain behaved in this way or that he remained unnoticed until this incident happened.
There's clearly an organization issue here.
I just wonder what the pilot in the jump seat thought! He’s there to observe how things are done with this airline before presumably starting work for them. He must have wondered what on earth he just joined 😳. Good video, new case I hadn’t heard of before. It’s the second video of the same type I’ve seen recently, where the accident was totally the fault of the pilots, with no other factors coming into play. Thankfully these are rare.
@@moiraatkinson I am astounded at how the 61 year old captain managed to get away with flying planes for thousands of hours. He should have his license revoked for endangering the passengers, the crew, and the airframe. I still am curious as well about the pilot-in-training in the jump seat as well. I am betting he switched to a different airline cos of this horrible experience.
Blame Scale: *95% on the pilots* , *5% on Air Maroc* for hiring the two, without proper background checks or safety reviews.
More like zero discipline mode. The pilots were probably not trained by a military which would have drilled them to follow the safety rules
@@moiraatkinson 130.00
ATC: Royal Air Maroc, say reason for go around
RAM: Well, we turned a few systems off, then blindly descended and skipped across the water a couple of times, Royal Air Maroc
ATC: Very bloody funny. Say reason for go around
RAM: Birdstrike
RAM:... We hit...a penguin!?
That might have helped them, at least they didn't lie
Dude literlly got saved by EGPWS on the first flight, and decided to turn it off later in the day....1000iq move😂
EGPWS?
I'd like to know what happened to the pilots.
I HOPE they lost their license because that's not something you can correct with a slap on the wrist.
When you read the Official accident reports it is impossible to find what discipline action was taken. The only airline action you can find out about is anecdotal. Just the way it is. TE. Fidler
Idiots, especially the Captain, were probably greeted as heroes for "saving: the aircraft they almost crashed and given promotions. I don't have a lot of faith in the intelligence quotient of that region of the world.
Huge thanks to 3 greens , as a Moroccan i find what the flight crew did was unsafe and not responsible at all , and shameful.
Thanks mate. Glad you enjoyed the video
@@Googelmail73 How it is fake ?
@@Googelmail73 this answer is so rediculos
@@aminechouad7796 I'm sorry, my mistake 😶
"State reason for go around."
"Uh...birds."
Right. Must have been underwater birds.
What did you hit… a terrordactyl?
To be fair the co pilot did try to pull up at the last second, the Pilot was more of a dick.
Wow, this one is absolutely nuts!
Speaking as an engineer, all equipment reports a specific value, but hidden in the documentation is a band of uncertainty. I imagine the full report goes into this. The problem with avionics is the pilots sometimes take the values literally in conditions that they may be an error. The MDA takes into account the uncertainty that can be expected. So if the MDA is 1000 feet, it may be that the aircraft instruments say 1000 feet, but the aircraft may be 100 feet above or below that point. Because the MDA takes you off the glide slope, you don’t have the redundancy that the slope provides you.
Going down to one or 200 feet over water is insane. I think they were lucky and that the pilot had pulled back on the yoke shortly before impact, causing the tail section of the plane to impact the water, rather than the landing gear. I think if the plane had been in horizontal flight or angled slightly downward the gear would’ve engaged the water and the plane would’ve crashed.
Of course, I’m speaking as an engineer, not a pilot. (I have 20/200 vision and would never be allowed within 10 feet of a cockpit .)
So he not only fooled around but on top of it tried to get away with it claiming it was a bird? He was even obstructing the analyses and thus preventing safety improval once more. Where do they find such a clowns?
I’ve seen various recreations of this incident but this channel brings extra context to all the incidents it covers. The CVR recreations are particularly enlightening.
I feel fortunate to have discovered this channel and regret that I missed it for so long. Still, now I can binge 😊
Keep up the good work.
I agree, although there are other good channels like TheFlightChannel and Allec Joshua, this is by far the best channel in terms of explaining things
@@bigboymatthew7471 Yes I’m a fan of those as well. I also like Mystery Diggers - although some criticize him for his accent. It doesn’t bother me. But often he is weakest among all those I watch on causation analysis.
But I don’t like to critique any of these too much. Obviously they all try hard and put in an enormous amount of work. I appreciate all of them.
CVR?
@@K1OIK Sorry. Cockpit voice recorder.
I wonder how often this happens but the plane doesn't end up hitting terrain and the pilots subsequently don't file a report. No way this was this captains first time scud running a non precious approach
This is an outlier on pilot behavior. Things like this are rare.
whale 🐋 strike
@@technophant 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@pushing2throttles We hope. But in places without heavy oversight from institutions such as the FAA EASA NTSB etc, it might be more common than we care to think about. We are only around a year out from Europe banning all Pakistani certified pilots because they determined that at least 30% of Pakistani issued pilot credentials were fraudulent. The track record of PIA alone gives some credence to this. Thankfully the regions without fairly comprehensive oversight and regulation grow smaller every year. Although god only knows what will happen with the huge pool of Russian credentialed pilots?
Yay, a new download! Awesome work man. I enjoyed a lot. What a crazy story, those pilots were recklessly breaking so many rules. They were really lucky, pretty much as close as it can get from disaster.
As a ground engineer nearly 30 years ago, I hitched a ride into a sea level airport.
Weather was deteriorating rapidly, heavy fog, barometric pressure unknown.
Pilot descended on final approach, ground proximity blares, pilot throttles up and ascends 50ft, and proceeds until runway is in sight and lands.
I asked 'is that alarm meant to do that ?'. First officer replies 'yeah, that's how we land in fog !'.
That ATR is one tough bird.
ATR?
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !"
Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam "
Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!"
Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..."
Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!"
Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky."
Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction."
Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
Wow please tell me that the Captain is no longer flying planes!
He was fired and his license revoked. He also got a huuuge fine that he had to pay or prison time.
The Captain from hell. And then he lied. And he got away with it. Hopefully, they caught up with him. Just think, he might be the Captain of the flight you take next!
@JC - We can certainly hope.
Good analysis and presentation. At 8:50, a professional note: ATC and Professional Pilots would rarely, if ever use and read back headings runways as "Seventeen" . Instead, runway headings are spoken in whole digits such as "Runway One- Seven" for runway '17' (Typically the Runway's magnetic heading), such as "Zero- Six" for runway '60' (60 degrees) or "Three - Six" for runway '36' abbreviated from the heading of 360 degrees. Same goes for Altitudes, You would not typically hear" "Twenty-Five-Hundred Feet", but rather "Two - Five- Hundred", and higher altitudes above 10000 ft as 'Flight-levels" Such as "Flight level 'Two-Five-Zero'" for 25,000 ft.
"Zero- Six" for runway '60' (60 degrees) ?
@@lyntonblair9016 Yes, In the U.S. and Canada at least.
@@lyntonblair9016 Yes, you use the first two digits out of a three digit number. Runway 06 would be at 60º
Nice video about a terrible crew. These pilots and their pax were extremely lucky that the aircraft did not crashed and sunk in the ocean. Both of these imbeciles should get prosecuted for negligence and summarily fired for their stunt.
there is a reason for the alarms. Why do pilots try to outsmart the alarms, turn them off so they are NOT annoyed ??? I may re-think flying in the future if this is common practice.
This pilot was totally egocentric, treating a passenger jet like a fighter jet
That's just insane.
Wish I could have seen the other pilot’s face when a bird strike was declared!
He used the crash warning to get his bearings lol
Another amazing video! And I always love to see the stock footage from SAN at 0:27. Keep it up!
SAN?
@@K1OIK San Diego International Airport
@@shsd4130 How do you expect anyone to have known that?
I like your style, great to see another video!
Holy shit what a cowboy. Great video mate
So there actually are old, bold pilots.
You have a great show
Keep it up
Excellent presentation. Fun and very smart.
This made me super angry. I hope none of these pilots is flying anymore.
"Errr. we hit a flying sea dinosaur"
The correct phraseology for runway numbers is to say each number i.e. runway 35 is "runway three five"
anyone else think the ATC on the return leg sounds like Bocyie from only fools
What a great video to watch before I go to Morocco with royal air-
Ground control sounds like Riff Raff from Rocky Horror Picture Show. That was spooky enough. Great video, though.
Imagine you’re having a conversation with someone and they speak like this narrating voice. Every sentence ends in the same tone.
Just listen to it. And imagine.
Yeah, imagine. I would just walk away with my hands over my ears.
Ikr? It’s too bad really as I very much like this channel’s content.
So I tried turning off the sound and watching it with subtitles. The only language RUclips offered was Vietnamese. Goes to show ...
U deserve a lot more subs!
Over time the pilots develop bad habits that grow in their mind like ragweed and crab grass. Some do but some don't.
Bird strike, did he think the passengers would go along with that....I hope a lot of thinks have changed with that airline
I got the impression that this pilot preferred to approach at a low altitude to get under the fog for better visibility. That on its own doesn't sound too bad, but overall these guys were way too relaxed with safety.
Did it strike the water with the tail? How's possible the landing gear not being ripped away?
8:16 There is no way ATC would have said that so slow. They would have said that in under 3 seconds.
I laughed when i heard his ATC voice. He made this sound like a Monty Python comedy sketch.
I hope these two pilots have been banned from lying. How can they outright lie and say it was a bird strike? This is very dangerous.
I've read a ton about this case.. These pilots had no regard for human life.
Including their own. 🙄
Speaking as a professional armchair crash investigator, pilot, engineer, scientist, photographer, cyclist, meteorologist, astronomer and video editor, why must people brag about their jobs when commenting 🙄
This is actually not the first time a commercial aircraft has bounced off the water. In 1996 Aeroperú Flight 603 bounced off the water as well, shortly before they crashed into the water for the second and final time in the darkness. After the first impact the crew realized the aircraft had stuck the water and attempted to climb but damage to the aircraft caused it to roll to the left and crash. It must’ve been terrifying for all onboard. 😢
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11:27 Thankfully though no injuries, really. This was pure luck, on several different occasions. 1st the idiotiic think they did, and it managed to not kill them for 50cm, 2nd the 1st officer decided this feels way of, and pulled up, and 3rd, and moost significant lucky factor is that this aircraft has a high engine mount profile. If this was like a jet with low/underwing mounted engines, those would have collided with the water, and 100% lead to a bad air crash. They were so lucky those engiines were so high on that aircraft, most people I am sure never even gave it a thought.
High wing on ATR saved a bunch of lives.
Great to hear Boycie from only fool and horses in a little ATC cameo role
They could be right though.. if the bird were a Jurrasic era bird.. the damage could be large
A couple of comments. Runways are spoken by number i.e. One Seven not Seventeen. Also air pressure is per number One Two Three Four, although One is pronounced Wun, and not Twelve Thirty Four. You have a great series, these little changes will help to improve them.
After the landing each passenger should have the opportunity to punch the crew in the face… at the very least. This includes children.
Great suggestion!!
that mfking captain kept pushing the nose down, i would have pushed his nose up quite aggresively after the flight
After watching too many crash and near crash videos, I'm convinced that flying is NOT safer than ground travel.
Statistics say it is much safer. car accidents happen in my area every single day. there are more then 100k commercial flights everyday with a deadly crash being an odd one out :)
Start watching all the car crash videos!
Remember “Children of the Magenta” ? Remember when the presenter stated “We created these FOs who quickly engage the AP and blindly follow the magenta line” ?
I wouldn’t be so quick to cast blame on the FO. What was the cultural bias in their society towards seniors? What was the cultural bias in their company towards rank? Who in that flight deck is in a position of power? Was that power self-regulated?
The FO cast aside all common sense and reason to comply with and ultimately appease the Captain. He was more worried about keeping him happy than safeguarding his own life. He was operating under a dictatorship.
If this were still the case in a sound CRM environment then I would happily point the finger at deficiencies in the FO here.
FOs? AP?
This is absolutely terrible airmanship… it’s called the MDA for a reason, then turning off the GPWS 😑 and the only bird strike was this plane hitting the water. Love the ATC voice haha.
MDA?
"This is fine."
Moments later, they hit the water.
New "this is fine" meme confirmed!
I think this is the captains fault, the first officer was just getting brainwashed
I am not sure where you source your voice actors to read the transcripts, or if it is computer generated, but for the love of god please use standard aviation communication. Example "Runway seventeen" instead of "runway one seven".
That Moroccan ATC had a strange nasal accent. Marocadile Dundee lol
Does anybody know the captain’s name and if he was fired I can’t find anything on Google everything about this flight is almost identical all the articles are re-printing the same article and none of them that’s in the captains name
Would love to know what happened to the pilots, but from what i can find there are no details of any action
Can you make trans world airlines flight 800 [ I still don't know what happened before and after]
I'll have a look at it mate :) I have quite a few video ideas in the backlog though so don't expect anything too soon.
Turkish Airlines do this all the time.
They descent to 50 ft out to sea, and then grope their way to the runway under the cloud.
Nice to see that Boysey is in the ATC tower today,
with Marlene serving coffee…. ;-)
R
The old pterodactyl strike excuse.
the hit a whale - nothing out of the ordinary
😅
I just blindly thought all commercial airline pilots were properly trained but I have learned from this video and others that there are pilots who are not even licensed!!
I simply can't believe it.... this captain should be fired and sent to jail.
I was laughing out loud through most of this, unbelievable...
I have fear of flying now
You've got to be kidding me.
These two Test Pilots were regular patrons at Rick's Cafe in Casablanca. Sam wasn't there to play.
Let us dive through archival audio transmissions if available.. to figure out the names
Reading up on this, seems like there’s no information on what happened to the captain and first officer after this. You’d kind of expect them to go straight to prison.
*plane hits water
captain: Oh shit!
yeah, you don't say !
"Okay,guys. If we have a problem, get out the paper clips, bubble gum, and cello tape. We can solve any problem
Which is this flight simulator?
What do you use for the graphics?
Microsoft Paint
Prepare 3D for the simulator footage. And just animation and editing software for the rest. Details in the description.
@@3Greens ight
Tough plane to take shot like that and keep flying.
Safety margin paradox.
The Morocco ATC person sounds like an Aussie from the back of Bourke.
Like your kids first solo drive.....I errrr. A deer hit the car. Just jumped out. Meanwhile there's concrete pillar dust on your hood
P.S. Great Job RICCO, ! Who said Pinguins can't fly ???
The voices on this are so funny.!
Now worries Mate ! Was he a retired Navy Pilot that knew what to do with a Cold CAT, or a snapped arresting hook wire ????
These people's Guardian Angels resigned shortly after that.
Wow, terrible pilots. Breaking flight rules. Crazy people out there.
OMG when in doubt blame it on the birds.
When Postman Pat narrates ATC..🤔😳😂
Where they reprimanded ???
One tough Ship that ATR