My biggest issue with this is the precision with which the organs were removed. I've heard from a woman who works at a morgue and does autopsies, that the speed and precision used by Jack the Ripper required high level training. She said she doubts she could work as fast and as precise as him, and that's with modern tech and, and she stressed this very much, with light. The murders happened in the dark, as were the mutilations. Like dark dark. Remember it was too dark for people to even see the pool of blood on the ground. No suspect I've seen put forward would have the capability of successfully removing the organs in the dark without completely mutilating them. She also pointed out that one of the cuts to open one of the bodies was EXACTLY how autopsies are done. She said if she ever did what he was doing, she would use that exact cut without even thinking about it. It would be the most natural thing for her. She doubted that a butcher would be able to find the organs in the dark as animals are different enough that you have to know your way around a human body. So while I like your theory as I too was initially suspicious about the dude he didn't want to move the body, I don't think that's our guy. Thanks for the video though. You do a masterful job of telling stories and I really appreciate watching your vids.
So, someone highly trained, knowing the streets in and out, and had a deep dislike of prostitutes. All 3 are must have beens for the killer... Who of the suspects had all 3?
There's ways we dont know about history like how they put the Pyramids together, So past people have their ways since they still dont have the technology to do so. As like he said he wasnt able to mutilate the first one so he practice on the 2nd up until he knows where to go around getting the right cut, Thats why the last one. was perfectly executed. Like they always say "Practice makes Perfect"
All stories ive heard told of him, this is mentioned, he must have been working in a field where he got those skills and could not just have been some random guy or schizophrenic whom just decided to murder.. Its sad that this was left out when its such a big part of the mystery and speculations, the man would most likely have been well educated. I also heard in all stories that they found grape vines near the dead, but I'm not sure if that's just a common lie?
So did Hannibal Lechter. I understand he was quite fond of census taker liver with fava beans and a nice chianti. Now let me tell you all about the wonderful pre-school I just enrolled my baby in!!!!!!!
Funny that something made out of powder supposed to be healthy. But it could be worse. One of Thoughty2 sponsors could be low carb, gluten free rice patties.........tee hee hee.
I paused right here. "here's this vicious butcher of the London underworld who carved out the organs of several victims... "... doesn't that put you in the mood for a good kidney pie? I know *I'm* working up an appetite!!"
Removing organs at night in 1888 with that kind of speed would require insane precision and knowledge. The only way any of these suspects could be considered is if they were studying and practicing without anyone knowing for many years.
Never understood why people claim they have to have been a doctor or something, If you cut open someone's abdomen completely, you don't have to be mediacally trained to reach in and cut out asll the major organs, only a rudimentary familiarity with anatomy. One can imagine that her didn't *start* with women, he most likely started on animals, so could as well have been completely "self taught", he doesn't even need to have been trained as a butcher, or a vet.
@@jamspandex4973 Well, clearly you know nothing about surgery. Before I became a geophysicist and commercial subsea engineer diver, I was in medical school at A&M. I was studying Cardio Thoracic Surgery. I changed my major due to my interest in the Earth and the atmosphere. No, I'm not a medical doctor or surgeon. However, I was two years from completing it. Let's start with some basic human anatomy, which is wildly different from animals. First, is our largest organ and first line of defense in our immune system, our skin. It's comprised of multiple layers. Second is muscular tissue. Which is very tough. Even when the corpse is completely relaxed. Then you have tendons and bones to get through. Now, keep in mind your organs are not just in there floating around like Lily pads in a bathtub. They are secured through muscle and other tissues anchoring them into place that in conjunction are also anchored to bones and so forth. You also have the vascular system running throughout your entire body. Not to mention visceral fats and exterior fats that are all over the place. Some organs are even encased in fats. Some of the best surgical tools in the world are made right here in the United States and you're not just going to cut through them easily with a knife or a cleaver. Especially not with precision accuracy. The rib cage and the breastplate are very difficult to get through. The tendons connecting your ribs are very very tough. Simply going in and removing organs is a ridiculous statement. The idea of practicing with animals is completely ridiculous.
@@jamspandex4973 Anyone with the most rudimentary knowledge could mutilate a body but you would need some specialized knowledge to remove a uterus or kidney. The police forensic officer would know if a skilled practitioner had removed it as he would have done a diseased organ or whether it was just hacked out by a layman.
They got him mate , some other stories from the police are they knew who it was but couldn't prove it, so they let the "right" policeman know an they killed him off the books , murders stopped
The mortuary attendant Robert Mann. He lived in the middle of the murders. Being an attendant meant he knew the inner workings of the bodies, etc. Also there was 1 more victim after Jack vanished, but they thought someone was copying to throw off police. Specialist figured that it was Jack, only he was sick or injured b/c the cuts to the neck weren't as deep. Turns out Robert Mann was suffering from TB. He slowly grew weaker and died not long after.
@@ominouspigeonmaster1571 It’s a compulsion that intensifies , they usually don’t stop until they die or get caught , Don’t take my word for it , just do some research , that isn’t meant to be snarky , just informative ❤️
@@minkyfran8307I'm just thinking that, all the information we have generally comes from the killers that were caught, by that very compulsion. If any did just stop, we probably wouldn't know about it.
I am surprised none is targeting any females on this maybe 🤔 some other prostitute that just wanted more earnings and she stopped because she achieved her goal since only men were suspected and likely lots of other prostitutes left the area being afraid. She could been a monopoly 🤔
it's really not, people pass out drunk all over the place (and that's what he thought she was) and most people wouldn't try and help a drunk stranger at 3am
Look at this day and age… not many people take the time to make sure random people are okay… So no it’s not weird, humans are just heartless like that.🤷🏽♂️
I read somewhere that a ship came around that time with (I think some navy men). When it arrived/left it matches the murder timeline perfectly and there was one individual they suspected from the group because as soon as the ship departed/men left the murders stopped.
No need to bring foreign sailors into it when we already have a local man who maches up to the murder spots and timings. Charles Lechmere. He was actually seen right next to one of the victims.
@JasonC-ic3qd Well seeing as I live just 20 miles southwest of the locations and have walked around the area many many times including only earlier this year, I wouldn't say that Jack The Ripper doesn't have anything to do with my life. The subject, at least, has some connection to my life. 😉
@JasonC-ic3qd Ah it's ok. I don't mind. Nobody will truly ever know who Jack The Ripper was, but Lechmere is the best suspect as I see it. I only get niggled when some people dismiss Lechmere...... then propose far more illogical and fantastical suspects. That just doesn't make any sense. Cheers.
I believe you forgot to mention about perfect cuts he made. I'll always believe it was someone with a great knowledge of human anatomy at that time. Like a doctor, med student, or professor in the same field.
@@Billygoatsgrruff Hi Professor! I forgot to mention mortician. Yes, very similar 👏 but from my angle still not good enough... I can also throw taxidermist into your option :)
That’s debated. There were coroners that said he had skill and those that said it was barbaric and unsurgical in every way. Charles lechmere was by the first victim and only witness see with a body. He lived in the area. Worked nights, and delivered meat some his clothes were always bloody. And to top all that off gave a different name when summoned for questioning
@@PoulsboHoodlum Nathan 👋 Yeah, after butcher(ing)😜 all day, the last thing i'd do is butcher some more. Let's agree to disagree 😉 I also think he was humiliated by a whore. So I'd probably ask girls NOT "Who are you afraid of?" I'd ask "Tell me about a funny/hilarious and/or a rumor story from one of the girls you know."
@@PoulsboHoodlum I belive he also moved out of white chapel around the time the murders stopped, and one of the victims were found by his mother's house.
I’ve heard the Lechmere theory before and I think he’s the best suspect. Not only bc of everything you mentioned but bc of his actions when Paul found him, how he acted during the exchange, and lying to the police afterwards. See when he called over Paul to look at her, no blood was visible, but by the time a constable found her shortly afterward, a pool had formed around her neck, suggesting the cut to her throat was extremely fresh when Lechmere and Paul were present. He also refused Paul's suggestion to prop her up, which would have instantly made it clear that her throat had been cut. In addition, neither man reported seeing or hearing anyone else on that particular street, which had no side exits. Her injuries were hidden under her clothing, whereas the Ripper typically left the wounds displayed. The theory goes that Lechmere had killed Nichols and begun the process of mutilating her body when he heard Paul, and then rushed to play it off like he found her. Lechmere lied to police, claiming that he had been with her body for a few minutes, whereas research on his route to work from his home showed that he must have been with her for about nine minutes. To top that off, not only did his way to work pass almost all the crime scenes but the night that two were killed, Lechmere was off work. .
@@jamescorlett5272 are you certain? I mean a meat cart driver ain't to far from butcher and that's who the police assumed were doing the killings, maybe he got experience from the place he was working at. unless you were there you can't say for sure.
I love everything about this video. The graphics, the editing, the writing, the soundtrack, but most of all the narration. Your voice is soothing and compelling at the same time. You speak and I want to hear more. You tell a story that everyone has heard and knows about yet after this video we learn we knew nothing. Well done! Thank you for a thoroughly researched video. You have a new subscriber here!
I actually suspected the person who just so happened to "stumble across the body" at the very start so when you revealed him to be the most suspicious person on the list I was kind of shocked lol.
I haven't heard of the story just the name but with my logical thinking and tell me if I'm wrong who is more likely to kill them I really am afraid was yet one other prostitute because think this Jack would target men none will search the women and last but most important this story most likely scared off other prostitutes of the same place its the perfect plan to have a monopoly yet seeing the photos they were good looking women most likely eliminated because they were taking so many customers and as for the brutality she could be more angry with the some
@@redflagy8 I don't know... a woman in that day and age with that kind of strength and medical knowledge? AND be poor enough to know the neighborhood like that? I don't know...
@@robbsclassics Okay? But writing about it is different from actually cutting a person up and having the physical strength to do some of the things Jack did. Also a woman covered in blood is a bit more strange than a working man covered in it. Unless she was a butcher's wife or something. But a fellow prostitute? It just doesn't add up.
@@BasedToastnt i think they did word it wrong lol pretty sure they meant it made the murders feel closer, more recent, rather than a story of an unknown killer from the late 1800s.
@@rvfssx8184 no, they didn’t word it wrong. Even if the murders really happened (like they did here), at this point it’s a story, the average person these days thinks of these as stories. When you see real pictures of the victims, it makes the story feel more real, and then your brain recognizes that these were real. So even though it was always real, it never FEELS real to most people. So saying that the pictures make it “feel so real” is completely correct, what you, and the others here mean, is that what they said was misleading
@@Av-te7ze That's what I entirely meant by comment. I may have contradicted myself with the first line, but read the rest of my reply before immediately telling me I'm wrong rather than the other two who got it completely wrong?
Lechmere being The Ripper makes sense when you think specifically about the night Jack struck twice. It's almost like he knew from prior experience that it would be better to just leave to avoid any interaction (especially since The Ripper was a known killer by that point), and try again.
Has plenty of flaws to like other likely candidate's for me i don't even think the last one was him I highly suspect her husband or ex husband whatever it was can't really remember as that was a clear murder out of passion and his dodgy behaviour and lies has me looking directly at him for her murder that is.
@@jabronisauce6833 I agree on the last murder. I’d also put money on Lechmere being the Ripper, but think Barnett was responsible for Mary Kelly and just tried to make it look like the work of the Ripper.
@@AdriansCreatures Yes, timing and locations are pretty compelling clues, I think. I’ve said this under other comments too, but I think the resentment of women stemmed from a dysfunctional relationship with his mom. And they had a falling out right before the first murder and reconciled shortly after the last, so I personally believe he was misdirecting his rage towards her to other women who were all of a more matronly age. And this is also why he went for the womb and why there wasn’t a sexual element to the murders. Mary Kelly was only outlier in age, which is another reason I lean towards Barnett, or at least someone else, committing that murder. Frustrating that we will never know for sure…
Hi, I hate to refer to myself as a "ripperologist," but for some reason it has always held some eerie fascination for me. I agree with you that Charles Lechmere is the best candidate for being Jack the Ripper. There were a lot of other reasons given about that first killing, such as the timing from whence Lechmere said he was coming down the street vs Robert Paul's testimony. Paul never heard him approach, and this is during a time where people wore hard soled shoes, not athletic shoes, and the streets were cobblestone, not spongy asphalt. It was dark enough outside to have concealed Lechmere in the shadows, giving him time to do exactly as you said: tidy the area and pretend to have just arrived.
Indeed. Lechmere simply HAD to have been there longer than he said. I've been to the exact spot and timed it. It takes no more than five seconds to cross from one side of that street to the spot to see what something is or isn't. Lechmere also lied to PC Mizen and lied about his real name at the inquest. Nor did he pop into the local police station on Friday afternoon, Saturday or Sunday to explain he had already "found" Nichols body before PC Neil arrived. Lechmere only came forward AFTER Robert Paul blabbed to a reporter that there was a man up ahead of him "standing where the woman was" and would have known a police dragnet would have probably located him, so he had little choice.
I hate to refer to you as a ripperologist because if you were you would know that paul approached lechmere who wasn t walking but standing at the scene of the crime
It's actually a Jewish man Jacob Levi born (David Cohen ) He was a butcher in the area where the murders took place. The first murder was committed in front of a hospital. The hospital was there to treat syphilis. Levy was disappointed with the hospital he went to for treatment and could have committed the murder out of hatred at that moment. Levy died 2 years after the last murder, and his death certificate stated that he had syphilis. He was on the list in the investigations at the time but was not questioned because of misidentification. His wife said that things were going badly and he was having delusions. The first murder (Mary Ann Nichols) suggests that he may have had syphilis. The third murder (Elizabeth Stride; a murder committed in front of a Jewish meeting and a pro-Jewish sign was found after the murder, next to the sign was Stride's bloody apron). Serial killers commit murders in the vicinity of their own areas, such as Levy's butcher shop.
The recent book The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper by Hallie Rubenhold is an excellent that refutes the story that all five women were prostitutes. Most were poor and unemployed women. The book focuses on the lives of the women up until their murders. I've been researching the Ripper since the 80s and have read dozens of books and about 150 hours of videos
Have you watched "The Missing evidence: Jack the Ripper?" On the Smithsonian channel? Best suspect to date, I won't say the name, it will ruin it. You investigating the White chapel murders, surprised you didn't mention his name.
A book that focuses in the lives of 5 women of the time is pure fantasy. If police and pretty much nobody has details about someone life how the fk would a writer be able to write a book about the lives of 5 poor women in the 19nt century. Get real, that book has as much validity as transformers being real lol
@@valtonen77 Blame youtube for that its just how the algorithm and shit works youtube wants clickbaity vidoes and will keep people on youtube watching videos, it's how you get the most views so it's what everyone does, I don't mind his clickbaity titles because his videos are usually good. The trash videos that have extreme clickbait and the ones that piss me off.
I've seen the pictures and read the post mortem report. It is so grisly you can barely make out what you are looking at. Only things you can recognize is her hair, forearms and legs.
I accidentally came across the image on Wikipedia. It was at 1am and I struggled to sleep for weeks. It really is the most disturbing image to exist on the internet.
Add in that she didn't start bleeding out until after the bobby came up to the body is more incriminating. A neck wound that deep would have bled fast and pooled fast. That the first two men didn't see a pool is very incriminating. When I first heard the beginning story, I agreed with your assessment. Then when you added the final details of name hiding, profession, route and add in likely access to tools of the trade it seems very probable. It would be interesting to see if one could discover his obituary. Given his later years and the roughness of the neighborhood he may have passed thus ending the murder spree. If this were verified through an obituary or census, one might have an even more compelling case. Well done.
@rebelsmileygirl Well, if Lechmere was the killer, it's only the one man, not two men, who didn't see a pool of blood. Lechmere, of course, would have pretended not to see it.
Lechmere/Cross died in December 1920 at the age of 71. Based on the year & his age, I’d guess that he died from the 1919 flu pandemic, which actually started in 1918 and lasted well into 1921.
@@DneilB007 The average male life expectancy was 65 to 70 years. Could he then have retired or lost or passed his employ to someone younger thereby ending his spree and then fallen to death of said plague? The may never know? Of course all things being equal the case could still have been someone else interrupted who died of being run over by a carriage back in the day. That is the sad mystery behind this whole evil. 😕
Surprised you didn't mention the Jill the Ripper theory. Supposedly a midwife, which would give her knowledge of the female reproductive system, as well as an excuse for being out during the curfew - "Sorry officer, I'm going out to deliver a baby." That said, your theory of Charles Lechmere seems pretty strong, and is probably my favourite.
Well many witnesses never saw a woman with the victims prior to their deaths, they saw and heard a man speak merely minutes before the killings of these victims
@@ryantannehill2830 Most killers are present at the crime scene atleast once(when the killing occurs). Some will come back later, but that wouldn't be the case here. Someone being disturbed and caught on scene might be more likely if he's just developing his modus operandi. And the change from a covered body to full display would make sense if the killer was interrupted on the first one or if he witnessed the discovering of a body and thought he could improve there. Also Lechemere didn't notice someone except Paul and Paul noticed Lechemere only when he stood next to the body. But the shoes of that age were hearable for some distance (especially at night). So why couldn't Paul hear someone walking just a few seconds in front of him? And if there was no blood visible for the first two witnesses but a huge pool for the Constable the time between the murder and the discovery by Lechemere/Paul must be shorter than the time between them leaving and the Constable finding her(and calling for a doctor). When the doctor arrived he concluded that she was dead "no more than 30 minutes". Which would mean that the constable found her maybe 5 or max 10 minutes after her death. Which means that there was almost no time left for any killer to walk away before Lechemere discovered her, Paul arrived, both discussed what to do and walking away to find a policemen.(all in 2-5minutes)
Of the suspects named, Lechmere or "David Cohen" (probably not his actual name), a violently insane Eastern European Jew arrested in December 1888 who died in the asylum in early 1889, strike me as the most likely. The big problem with Lechmere, based only on what we know about him, is why did he stop? The general theory from every criminologist and profiler is that it's really unlikely the Ripper would've stopped murdering by choice. He had to have died, moved away or been incarcerated. Lechmere appears to have lived in London until he died in 1920. The problem with "Cohen" is he was so overly nuts by the time that he was arrested you wonder how he could've possibly passed as a client long enough to get the women to go with him. Although he could've deteriorated significantly between the Kelly murder and being arrested.
Your theory is perfect! When I taught this case in my Forensic Science class, the general consensus among my students was that Jack was someone who belonged in White Chapel and was therefore invisible to investigators, not to mention you always have to question the one who found the body.
Iv not watched the video fully yet but my theory was they got him but couldn't prove it an they just killed him or another plausible thing was he got arrested and jailed for something else , weird to not gave a conclusion tho 😔
Every single body had to be found by somebody. The evidence against Lechmere is pretty thin, but that doesn't bother many people who simply want to name a killer.
That last victim feels incredibly personal. Did anyone amongst the student body feel a similar way ? The level of mutilation, getting to the victim in their home, it felt personal where as the other victims felt like random victims of unfortunate timing.
I can’t say I’m a huge Jack the Ripper follower but it you into paranormal or unsolved mystery type of shows you always come across Ripper history. The newest and biggest thing I found out in this program was records and reports were destroyed in the blitz. I find that interesting. Thanks. Cool to hear something new including new suspects. Thanks!
My Great Grandmother wrote of the fear and horror generated by Jack the Ripper's crimes. She didn't move about the city after dark, let alone walk-through Whitechapel. I'm going with the thought that Charles Lechmere was "the ripper." Many thanks, Arran.
@@Sool101 -- Who knows? Possibly, the fear of someone close to him finding out about his crimes caused him to stop his killing spree. I doubt if the killer started to develop a conscience.
@@walterfechter8080 Agreed. I do wonder about Lechmere's physical condition. If he was injured or became seriously ill, maybe he physically couldn't commit more murders.
I'm really glad you brought up the first guy the see a body again. I was thinking the whole time that he was quite suspicious trying to leave the body undisturbed. Could have been both of them covering for each other for all we know.
So if you found a random body youd start touching it? No lol the general consensus is to not touch something you’re not sure of until authorities say otherwise. Creep.
If Charles was the killer, then why did he stop after five victims? Since it was not on the police radar he may have moved away or died with no notice of it. Is there any explanation as to why if Charles was a killer that he suddenly stopped killing?
it’s weird. The moustache used to horrify me, but now I can’t imagine him without it. It really suits him (horrify was hyperbole, obviously i wasn’t horrified, I just didn’t think it looked that good. It looks great now in my opinion though. Not that my or anyone else’s opinion on it really matters. He clearly liked it and stuck with it)
This guy have some interesting topics. But I can’t stand to watch him. He is so irritating with the way he move his hands all the time I can’t stand it. From where I’m coming from moving your hands so much like that while talking is a sign of stupidity and bad vocabulary.
Lechmere is a suspect of two other murders twenty years earlier using the exact same MO of two deep left to right slashes of the throat and was known to have tried to sell a blood soaked knife he’d tried to clean as it was wet the buyer said. His step dad the police man called Cross had just died prior so might have been the trigger. Twenty years pass and his daughter dies and boom five ladies get killed by the same deep, double right handed slashes to the throat. The killer had learnt to keep them quiet by using their scarves to choke them then slash. Might also help prevent that initial spray of blood all over himself giving him time to step back. Whoever did it had a lot of hate and experience knowing to cut deep. First time killers tend to stab or slash more shallow as they don’t know how much effort it takes.
There was a serial killer sailor who was executed in NYC a few years after the ripper slayings and he had said in his interrogation that he’d been in London at the time of said slayings. Edit: The man I was thinking of was Carl Feigenbaum. During his sailing days, any time the ship he served on made port, unsolved murders of various lower class women pop up in the record of that community. While he doesn’t 100% fit every detail in the accepted profile of Jack, I think he’s a very good candidate for being the ripper.
@@BetterDays2004 I am not sure if the Night Watcher is thinking about the same as me, but there was aman who confessed in New York shortly before his execution, his name was Carl Feigenbaum. I only remember him being charged with and convicted for one murder. So maybe others has confessed as well or. Anyway, Feigenbaum confessed to being the Ripper.
@@noeloreilly9440 he was aparrently a quack with some strange habits by the name of tumbletee an believe his first name was Francis an police found some tickets/receipts of dates that he sailed from the states to England then returned to the states sometime later which coinsided with some of the murders but after reading much of the ripper over time I personally would have him 3rd on the suspects list.
It’s not just three bodies that were on his route. Mary Jane Kelly’s abode was towards the northern most point of Lechmere’s delivery route, & the night she was murdered, he was on holiday. If he was the Ripper, that might explain why he spent so much time w/ her. He had all day & night to do what he wanted.
@@drbigmdftnu Contrary to Hollywood depictions of Victorian women being strong independent females,...they were not and did and spoke as they were told. They had few if any rights. Men could do as they pleased, and women had literally no recourse as they were seen as hysterical and mentally disturbed if they "over reacted" to situations. Besides it was only one time as the other four were done at times he was normally out anyway.
The artist Walter Sickert, who was part of a 'team'. Some of his art in later years is shockingly reminiscent of the mutilations. Nose removed etc. Can't remember the name of the book now though. It was very convincing.
I read Cornwell's book years ago. I thought it was a good theory, but was not wholly convinced. Perhaps her strongest argument is the evidence that he likely wrote some of the Ripper letters, but writing the letters doesn't make someone a killer. He does have a number of creepy paintings, for sure. Biggest weakness is that Sickert was out of the country for at least one Ripper murder, so you've got to have him traveling back. I believe the strongest evidence points to Kosminski as the Ripper. I have little doubt it was him.
My favorite ripper theory (just the one I find most interesting not the one I believe most likely) was that he was an abortion doctor who mutilated and/or removed their reproductive organs to cover up botched abortions. Also, was Catherine endowed the only one with facial mutilation? If so she might be the key to figuring out the whole thing. Messing up her face feels so much more personal, so Jack could have known her before the murder.
MJK also did have her face heavily mutilated. Just like the entire rest of her body. The pictures that exist..... Are terrifying. I heavily recommend not looking them up. That being said; I believe her ex boyfriend to be a good candidate. The man lost his job a short while before the murders started which forces MJK to go back to prostituting herself. He was unhappy with this. Shortly thereafter, the murders started. Now, my theory is that he committed those murders to scare her away from prostitution, after a few murders it is recorded that he visited her again but it isn't known what exactly happened. When questioned by the police he said he talked to her trying to get back with her and when it was clear that wasn't gonna happen he left, around an hour after arriving. She then, we know from her neighbour, went out to find clients, came home very drunk. And was murdered. In the most brutal way of any of Jack the ripper's victims. She was the last victim that is commonly agreed to have been murdered by Jack the ripper. His name is Joseph Barnett and I say he is the most likely candidate for Jack the Ripper that I am aware of. If you want to get into learning a bit more about Jack the Ripper I highly recommend Lemmino's video on him. It's about an hour long, detailed, presents all the cases that are commonly agreed to have been the Ripper's victims and presents some likely candidates, all without showing any gruesome pictures.
No, Mary Jane Kelly had her face viciously mutilated too, I don't think anything can be found from looking into the victims, they were just easy targets I imagine, poor forgotten trollops
@milanthapa7302 have you ever seen a map of London at the time? The whole city was a maze of alleyways. They couldn't catch him because it was impossible to catch him in the act.
As the doco "The Missing Evidence" pointed out, Lechmere was also the unlucky guy who just happened to be at the locations and times of every victim, two being killed on his only night off for the week when Jack had the time to chop them up. He was either the Ripper or walking bad luck. Also being a meat cart driver it would be common for him to wear a leather butcher's apron. So unlucky
@@studioseppuku9454 might just have been luck on his side, obviously we dont know who did what, but seeing how highly intelligent jack the ripper had to be to manage these murders in the way he did, it woudnt be to farfetched of an assumption.
@@studioseppuku9454 Maybe he wanted to report under a different name because the murders where happening on his route to work, so he wouldn't become the next victim. There are many thing to be factoring in.
How did you make this over-told mystery, which I know a lot about, still interesting? Everyone, or most, knows the Jack the Ripper case, but you give more interest and wonder to it. That goes for all your videos btw. Well done. Liked. :)
While I think most people would probably know about the Ripper, the amount of people “shocked” about the Dahmer series was mind blowing, so I’m glad these are still being made.
sorry, I have a question Have you ever seen the images he mentioned about the last woman? And if yes, how much are they horrible? They are totally out of what someone can handle seeing or more like the RUclips or Netflix 18+ mark?
@@jackmorass TRIGGER WARNING TO ANY OTHER READERS: LOOK UP THE PHOTO AT YOUR OWN RISK. I did get curious and I did look up the crime photo. It is incredibly gruesome and tragic. I could never comprehend how someone could do that to another human being. I hope that answers your question. :)
I love everything about this video. The graphics, animation, editing and to my ear at least the narration. Your voice draws me in and makes listen. Your knowledge of the subject matter is impressive as well as the research it took to complete this video. Thank you for doing all of the work you did to present this video. It is greatly appreciated. Well done!
There are some great theories about Jack the Ripper disappearing, but he's from an era where the guy could have drank some bad water and shat himself to death. We'll never know
I personally suspect that Jack the Ripper was an unidentified member of the British Military, since there are descriptions of him in a Millitary uniform, he was described to be of millitary age and is said to have had experience with anatomy which could imply that he had served as a medic of some kind or a ship's doctor. This could also explain the sudden abrupt end to his spree and why it never resumed, he could have been deployed overseas and died while on deployment.
It does make sense but I've never heard of any witnesses having seen the murderer so how was he described to be of military age or being in a military uniform?
A butcher wears a leather apron and would have a good grasp of anatomy. It’s also known that some serial murderers stop even for decades. BTK the most well known. A local man with butchering experience fits better.
@@curandas8801 If I remember correctly LEMMiNO did an excellent documentary on Jack The Ripper called *The Enduring Mystery of Jack the Ripper* and it at least alludes that Jack the Ripper might have been a solider or sailor based on some witness description and if I remember correctly he was as described to be around military age. I could be wrong about that it's been a while since Iast watched it. *The Enduring Mystery of Jack the Ripper:* ruclips.net/video/lADBHDg-JtA/видео.html
I'm surprised you didn't mention James Kelly. He was a upholsterer, colloquially known as a "ripper", he had the tools and the skills, and shortly before the spree began he'd escaped from a sanitarium for making his wife past tense.
I have 4 different beliefs about who Jack the Ripper was. 1. Charles Allan Lechmere, mostly due to him being there within minutes after Mary Ann Nichols was murdered, didn't want to move the body, gave the police an alias and his path to work would encounter the victims. 2. James Kelly, for anyone who seen "Jack the Ripper In America." Kelly killed his wife. Escaped from Broadmoor Asylum. An age regressed photo looks similar to a police composite sketch. When he returned to Broadmoor as an old man, claims that he went on a warpath. 3. Its possible that all 5 victims were by different men. From the descriptions of the men, that the victims were last seen with moments before they were found dead. Witnesses gave different descriptions. Either from different angles and distances in passing, the witnesses saw something different. Or they saw different men. 4. Unknown man.
@@JohnDoe-zw8vx I'm hoping it's not 4., my bets are on Kelly or Lechmere. But I have to be realistic, because I have heard arguments against Kelly and Lechmere. It would be something, if it was 3 and it was both Lechmere and Kelly who committed the crimes.
Been watching (Subbed) to Thoughty2 for as long as I could remember watching RUclips. I'm happy to see you're success right in front of my eyes it inspires me as an artists so thank you for all the laughs and good memories and more.
i think this is a case where we will truly never know who the actual killer was but it is a fascinating subject for criminal justice and history. i believe its just the case of we'lll never truly know who jack the ripper was.
We absolutely will never know who he was as there is no evidence to analyze or trustworthy information to obtain. Every suspect is just as likely as well as unlikely and he may have been a complete unknown. There simply is no way to solve a case this old without a time machine.
I actually thought of Lechmere being the killer at the beginning, but that's just my storytelling senses kicking in 😂 I believe Jack was just a random guy that never appeared in this video. Real life's not a planned out novel, it doesn't usually come full circle
A well regarded British homicide detective looked into it with modern techniques and believes Lechmere is Jack. So much of his investigation adds up and Lechmere lied about his name to the police. It's Charles Cross, there is a brilliant doco on it.
Thoughty2 was one of the first of these kinds of historical/storyteller channels that I came across when getting into YT about a decade or so ago. Amazing to think he's still churning out fresh and original content like this all these years later. As far as The Ripper goes, my theory has always been the one at 23:37 - the killer is someone who's probably never even been named as a suspect and whose identity is lost to history.
I was thinking the same thing, it was a cop. Back then no one would’ve suspected it. Hell cops nowadays are and have been arrested for crimes. I find it coincidental that records were lost in a fire, 🤔. Whoever it was got away with it .
I think it's important to note that there's actually evidence that not all of the victims were prostitutes. There's firm evidence that at least two were, but we can't tell for certain if the others were. I highly recommend The Five by Hallie Rubenhold, which talks about the women and their hostories instead of focussing on their murders alone. We're all fascinated by the mystery, but it's so important to remember that they were real women who were vulnerable, and were brutally murdered.
I have read the life histories of all the canonical five and they were clearly all prostitutes or indulged in casual prostitution from time to time. Exactly who are you claiming wasn't a prostitute?
@@kayla-Rey22 I think it's more or less agreed that Mary Jane Kelly and Elizabeth Stride were prostitutes or more accurately that was their primary source of income whereas, for some of the others, it's agreed that they engaged In prostitution when they were desperate and unable to make money by other means. I think @Charlie-pu9bx means that most of the victims weren't career prostitutes
Agreed, the book was so engaging also if you are interested one of the best podcasts on the case is from the serial killer podcast. He has a whole series on Jack the Ripper it goes into amazing detail and you find out so much about the women as people, he reminds you that these were people and not just players in a story, really emotive and compassionate as well as fascinating
@@kayla-Rey22 I highly recommend reading The Five by Hallie Rubenhold. Very good book that explores the lives of the victims and how they weren't all career prostitutes.
I was raised by a monster and it's uncanny how many people would not recognize one if they met one. They will seem the most jovial, well rounded, nice people. If they're successful monsters, you will never... ever see them coming until it's too late.
@@cheekybastard1423 so, in your esteemed opinion, is it that I use big words? I'm curious. It's always entertaining to hear a strangers reasoning on why your life experiences couldn't have happened. Interested to hear your take on my life. Take your time.
I would suggest the book, "The Five: the Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper" by Hallie Rubenhold. Her in depth research dispels many of the assumptions about the victims(only one had been known to be a sex worker). There is a lot of fascinating information about the lives of women living in poverty in Victorian England.
How does quantity of suspects necessarily help them?? They are more than likely talking to people who have nothing to do with the murders and be getting nowhere.
The night of the Double Event was Letchmere's night off and the two victim that night were the only ones not conceivably on his route to work. However, his mother and sister lived close to Berner Street where Liz Stride was killed, so he could have been returning from a visit to them.
@@bethryan9077 He's pointed out facts. Nothing to do with Kool Aid. Nichols and Chapman (and Tabram) were all killed on work days right on Lechmere's routes to work and at similar times. The first one who wasn't killed on a work day was Stride..... and she was killed near where Lechmere's family lived and on a night/morning when he could well have been visiting them seeing as he didn't have to get up for work early.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Firstly, there is No evidence let alone Proof, that Cross lived at that address & so, no Proof that Cross is Lechmere. An inquest document online - Chas. Andrew Cross. The fact of the matter is - no killer, let alone a Knife killer, would approach a witness who has Seen him now, then walks away chatting with him & then makes himself Known to the Cops. Then, continues skulking around the streets in the early morning hours when Many people know he was on the scene of that victim & he is Known to More of the cops because he did go to the inquest. Even if Cross is actually Lechmere, who lived in Whitechapel his whole life & worked at Pickfords for over 20 years, then he is Well Known to loads of locals & work colleagues & as a carman, also business associates. A couple of Morons make a doc & fooltube videos putting about that - he continued walking the streets in the black early morning hours for Weeks & carried on approaching prostitutes In Front of people & did the killings with the same & much worse MO. LOL. Really?? All the jibber jabber about 'times' for 3 cops & 2 other men is boring as all hell Childish friggin Bunk, nobody will Ever get it sorted. 5 men have No Idea what time they were where. End of. Each one says a time, each newspaper states various times & Christer made up His own time to suit his stupidass 'theory' about a guy by the name of Charles A. Cross & Christer does Not Know his home address. Putting modern font on a page with 1888 newspaper headers above, is Not proof of Cross' home address. The professional hypnotist Stealthy Eddy Stow has made up His own 'times' to suit His mind numbing Gobshite & repeats it all over & over as his Brainwashing tactic. LOL. There most certainly Were other males who came across other of the bodies. Cross sure Did raise the alarm Straight Away, he did Not keep walking on down the road. It is very understandable considering the Times & the conditions for that area in 1888, that when he saw a woman who lay prone on the ground, his thoughts went to someone who had maybe been attacked & as there were lots of prostitutes who roamed around in the early morning hours, he was very well aware that would be the case & as they were known to Drink, his first thoughts did not turn to murder. If I was a male back then in Whitechapel, I sure as hell would Not have wanted to be the male to try & wake her up at 3.30 a.m., all by myself, at the very least, in whatever state, she could have just started screaming. He did Nothing wrong. I do Not believe the Rubbish from Holmgren or Stow, both dopes who think they are smarter than all the police involved including Inspector Abberline from Scotland Yard who was brought in after the murder of Mary Ann Nichols, as he knew Whitechapel very well. And BTW - in regards to Nichols, there were Two cuts to her throat plus 2 stabs to the vagina, several stabs & cuts to the abdomen causing the Bowels to Protrude through the abdomen. Now you are Informed of the basics, pleease don't carry on as if there would have been no blood on that friggin Knife, or anywhere else. In the black of night down that road with high buildings both sides, the killer would Not have Known about blood on his person, clothes or shoes. End of. And FYI - Mary Ann had bruises on her face And on her hands, meaning, she put up a Fight. And people are drinking the Kool-Aid no matter the lunacy of the dumb as dog doo ‘reasoning’ behind the blather. Jeez. Lastly, in relation to the canonical 5 alone, there were no reports of any scream or screams, yet picture the areas of each, people lived thick in most of the buildings/surrounds. So why would that be? It takes a long time to strangle someone to death & all manner of struggling could occur, which would mean shouting, fighting, screaming, something. Reports talk about these women being more than feisty, they were brawlers, could defend themselves, they were all drinkers. There are a lot of 'similarities' when it comes to the victims & where attacked. They were selected. Someone in the pubs was watching them, probably got to know them. I believe the victims were given drink with poison which accounts for a quick death, no noise & so why little bleeding, victims in the street & yards. Just a thought. Victims before & after the 5, same victimology.
The most interesting (if not tragic) thing about Jack the Ripper isn't the victims or the one responsible for them. It is the mythological boogie man that the media, people, and historians/ ripperologists had created. Jack the Ripper as a Victorian "phantom" is more akin to Spring Heel Jack, and other tales. The man who did these murders is lost to time no matter how many suspects are made, but the legend of the monster that represents them all lives on today.
It is intriguing aswell as tragic. Like the titanic that sunk and claimed hundreds of lives we still enjoy trying to solve it and consuming Media about it because it's so interesting WW2 and any war are being enjoyed in videogames. It's interesting I remember hearing someone say "a story without tragedy nor hardships isn't a story, the more tragic one's story is the more interesting it becomes" Morbid as hell but correct.
I'm so glad someone else has pointed this out about Charles lechmere. Thought this as soon as I first learnt about the Ripper case and I'm surprised not more people talk about how suspicious this guy is. Don't know if you mention it because I paused the video to write this but the guy had lied about his name from memory as well which is very strange, he also fits the description quite well in my opinion. Soon as this video started I was really hoping you'd bring it back to Charles at the start, so glad I wasn't disappointed
Lechmere was an excellent ripper candidate , as was the finger from Leicester ( serial killer , executed in Australia ) and the guy for Birmingham , hanged in Scotland . However , none of them are the ripper. The ripper , went on to be the mayor of the Isle of Wight after his killing spree.
He didn't lie about his name. He used his stepfather's name instead of his birth name, and it wasn't the only time he ever used that name. The police knew where he lived and worked, so there would have been no advantage to deceiving them about that.
I like the Lechmere suggestion it looks good, the only down side I can see is that the killings stopped but Lechmere was still alive and generally a serial killer can't stop. The suggestion that all the cuts/mutilations where precise is based on the idea that the Ripper knew the human body, but someone who used to cut up animals for cat food would have the skill to make clean cuts, Then stick their hands in and pull the organs out to cut off, would not take much skill. Another good one Thoughty2, cheers Aaron
Your story telling is incredible man. Please do more of these serial killer style episodes it was genuinely amazing. Actually got me interested in recent history and serial killers. Such a good creator thanks bro
It’s actually pretty common for male serial killers to target prostitutes. The reason is usually related to having an abusive or neglectful mother, and they view killing a prostitute as killing a sad excuse of a woman. Also, as mentioned, prostitutes are often easy targets
Yeah I'd even morbidly say that Prostitutes are used as practice or to get a feel because most times no one will miss them before going onto bigger "game" It's just so.....wow.
Your last point is important. Prostitutes would have gone with him to where they weren't likely to be disturbed, which is what the killer would have wanted too.
the most likely suspect is David cohen who was implicated by an researcher called Martin Fido in a book he claimed that David Cohen was a sort of John doe name that was given to him at the asylum he was put in in 1888 and that his actual name Nathan Kaminsky the police at the time named one as their suspects as Kosminski and people thought this was Aaron Kosminski but he alleges that they where actually talking about Kaminsky hense the mixxup if you belief fidos book there is a lot off evidence thats pointing at Kaminsky 1st he was instiutionalized at an asylum in 12 December 1888 one month after the last jack the ripper murder explaining the sudden stop to the killings 2nd he was said to be antisocial and violent during his stay at the asylum 3rd he lived in the whitechapel area during the time of the murders 4th he was treated for syphilis a STI which could have been transmitted to him by a prositute giving a possible motivation for the murders , aswell the fact that syphilis in the late stages can attack the Centeral nervious system and cause irratic behavior In total the smoking gun here is first point which seems too close to be a random fact
As tragic as it is that the killer was never identified and brought to justice, I am sure that if he had been, the mystique and legendary status of the case would be significantly diminished today.
@@Siphlex exactly! A serial killer doesn't deserve any attention from anyone but the police, in my opinion. I wonder if the murderer could stay out of sight partially because of a worse police department during his time🤔, hope so...
The picture of his last victim in the bed is nuts. He somehow completely exposed her femur bone on her right leg. He legitimately removed all of her thigh muscle and tissue
How eye opening! I've never heard about Lechmere in any Ripper supposition accounts. Well done Thoughty 2! I also find it sad that there is no photograph of Mary Jane Kelly. At no time in her adult life was a photo taken of her? No relatives to bring forth a photo from an old family album? What a soulessly difficult & unloved life these women must have lead.
@@helenbartoszek243 I'm well aware of that yes. But even the other 4 had at least one photo taken. MJK must have been poor for a very long time, never having been able to take just one photograph.
@@silentpoet75 Yes- being outcast is a very real possibility. I have thought of that also-in regards to the unidentified bodies of John Wayne Gacy's victims. Nobody cared to identify as they were possibly already considered dead to the family?
I just finished listening to your book on Audible and LOVED it, I hope you write many more and PLEASE narrate more, I drive truck in the U.S. and find listening to your voice to be VERY relaxing
Yes, I'd say you're right that Lechmere/Cross is a likely candidate. In another video "The Missing Evidence: Jack the Ripper," Lechmere later encountered a constable and told him about the murdered woman, and that another constable was there already. But that was a lie. By pure chance, another constable had just found the body; this covered the lie when the other constable arrived at the scene. But I think crime historian Donald Rumblelow, author of "The Complete Jack the Ripper," said it best. It's the End of Time when all things will be known. The ripperlogists will ask "Who was Jack the Ripper?" The Ripper will step forward and say his names. The experts will look at each other and say, "Who?"
I saw that video as well but they never showed any evidence that he lied about that so it's just hearsay although I'd say either him or Maybrick are my 2 top suspects. Also on Google it says Lechmere AKA Charles Cross died in 1920, ages after the murders so why is there no evidence leading to more murders after the first lot? If he changed locations why have we not found those logs and discovered more murders? I feel like if anything there's more concrete evidence supporting Maybrick over this guy when you start trying to add things up but the real answer to all of this sadly is just: we will never know.
Lechmere might not have lied about knowing another Bobbie/constable was already at the scene. If he did it, he might’ve waited to see the other man return to the scene with a constable, and saw the other constable approach, and in any case, he counted on that happening; if he was the ripper he knew the police routes. In any case, he expected the first witness to return with help for the woman (believing she was drunk). Having second thoughts about whether the man who found him with the body could later identify him, would have led him to approach the other officer. This way, he wouldn’t appear to be ducking the police and, seem as if he’d done exactly what he told the man who caught him - that he went for help. On the other hand, he might’ve said that there was another officer there simply because he assumed there would be, since the other man said that he would find one and he expected that would have happened by the time he did.
You all should check out LEMMiNO and his video on Jack the Ripper. He did such an amazing deep dive and literally covers every murder and shows a map of where all the victims were placed/left. His voice is so calming too, even when talking about the craziest stuff. Another good video of LEMMiNO is the D.B. Cooper case. We may now know both of the historical criminals.
Then my friend, you believe it is H.H. Holmes. A man from America who was also a serial killer who conveniantly lived in London for the time of the Ripper murders
Lechmere makes the most sense being a Butcher. But, there was another series of similar murders that spiked along the coast around the same time just prior. Lechmere just so happened to be in both vicinities around both sprees. The book on this is amazing read. I'm convinced it was Lechmere.
i like the theory that jack the ripper was a policeman, which allowed him to easily dodge police since he knew the routes they took. but mary kelly's roommate is still the most compelling to me, the timeline and possible motive lines up too well for comfort and mary kelly's body was in such a more horrific shape than the others it looks like the work of a devil not a human.
When I was a kid there was a serial killer in my home town. Turned out it was my middle school janitor. Your closing remarks really hit home. Look up Kendall Francois.
I honestly considered Aaron Konsminski the most compelling candidate for the Ripper up until your video, and I have never heard anyone propose Charles Lechmere as a suspect until now. And I must say, your reasoning is pretty convincing. Great work on that! Also, your last thoughts on the case echo some I have from time to time when thinking about the case: we are so used to seeing the Ripper story as legend of the great Victorian unsolved case, that we tend to forget these were real people that were muredered by a real person. I cannot imagine their terror during their last moments, what their last thoughts were before the Ripper's blade took their lives, especially poor Mary Jane Kelly. It is true that the crime scene photos never leave your memory after seeing them, and to think that the body lying there was once a real girl living her life, singing when she was happy and crying when she was devastated from her life on the streets, is just bone-chilling. And to think that there was a man who did this, who was really there on those streets and in that room to tear those bodies apart, and we will never know who he was, is even more chilling.
I also favored Kosminski , though I loved the fairy tale element of the Walter Sickert- Dr Gull royal conspiracy thing. But in the last few months I've been watching videos about Lechmere- I like him too. Its the" hide in plain sight " element that I like. Also, I take exception that these women were " prostitutes " in the usual sense.. Spitalfields was a dreadful place to live. They were impoverished and unemployed women choosing between doss money or sleeping rough.
The Lechmere theory has been around a few years now. Chief proponents are Crister Holmgren and Edward Stow. Stow has his own channel The House of Lechmere. Check it out 👍
There's an amazing documentary that has all of the evidence against Charles Cross aka Lechmere laid out and it is absolutely fabulous. I think hands down he was the ripper. Everything fits and makes so much sense. If I can find it I'll try to link it or at least tell you the name and channel it's on.
I always assumed that Jack was a medical student. If I remember correctly, medical students at the time basically had to pay someone to steal a body for them in order to study human anatomy. He was dissecting people that "wouldn't be missed" to further his studies. Once he thought he had achieved the needed level of study, he stopped. The first one, he either lost his nerve, or was interrupted and unable to carry out his plan. The last one, he did in private so he had PLENTY of time.
I watched a show about the ripper not long ago and although we will never know who he was 100% this show mentioned a doctor as its main suspect which fits with how brutal the murders were and a large thing that made him a major suspect was just after the last murder there were records documenting that this doctor had boarded a ship for America and not long after the ship reached its destination a string of brutal murders happened in America but no one ever thought of the 2 cases being linked as back then it was a lot harder to find out news from around the world. I can't remember the name of the doctor but Samuel seems to come to mind but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find the information online. Again we will never 100% know who the ripper was but this doctor seems to fit with the training the ripper would of needed and his moving to America fits with the killing ending in London but starting months later in America
@@danielriccardo6674 no its just a show I caught while Channel hopping one night so I watched as it had my interest. We will never know who the ripper was but the facts they used seemed to add up
After watching 'I'll be gone in the dark' about the golden state killer, who turned out to be a cop and was never a suspect. I kind of wonder the same about Jack The Ripper. Cops probably never would have imagined it'd be one of their own (they never do huh? Hubris) and wouldn't have kept a lot of things confidential so the ripper may have been aware how the case was progressing.
Everyone assumes Jack was a man but could Jack had been James Maybricks wife getting revenge on a cheating husband and the women he had been with, which would also describe the disappearance of Jack, since she had no one left to kill since her husband couldn't cheat anymore after killing him, and being a woman during that time period could've helped her stay hidden since the police thought the suspect was a man because "only men are capable of such brutality".
By the way, I recently got Thoughty2's book, Stick a Flag In It and devoured it in one sitting. I love the way he writes and tells stories and I hope he does another book sometime.
I always assumed that Jack the Ripper was a doctor or at least skilled enough to remove certain parts of the body like what the autopsy of some of the victims showed.
I had the same suspicion at the start there. Seems really weird that he would be so against moving someone and then go the extra step to say ‘hey, let’s leave her alone and go find someone else to ask what they think we should do’. I’m fairly sure he would be a prime suspect in any modern case. Too bad detective/police work was still in its infancy at the time.
@Michael Zautner You're right in that a modern ex-copper recently said in a filmed interview that in the 21st century, Lechmere would've had to have been fully exonerated before investigating any further potential suspects. However, police in 1888 didn't employ this methodical way of working.
@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 If an injured person was found in the middle of the road (rather than on the pavement), one possibly might considering moving it so as not to be trampled by horses...or run over by motor vehicles these days.
The first murder reminds me a lot of the Redditch Car Park Murder, where some shoppers returning to their car came across a good samaritan nursing a woman who had been stabbed multiple times. The good samaritan (name Stuart Hopkins) was heralded as a fine young man for nursing this unfortunate lady in her final moments. He even appeared on TV. Some days later the police made an arrest after finding the knife used in the murder (purchased minutes before in the shopping centre) after it had been kicked into the gap between two of the levels of the car park. Presumably because the murderer heard people coming. The murderer turned out to be Hopkins, of course.
That was a single murder, not 5. Not a shred of evidence that Lechmere was near any of the other murder scenes and his delivery job would interfere with some timelines.
@@coxscorner his point is that the person who wasn’t suspected was the person who originally found the body/“helped” the victim, there’s a lot of murderers and serial killers who stick around and report the body to cover up the fact it was them
When he said "so utterly inconspicuous that he's already appeared in this video" and did the whole video rewind thing for a second istg my mind went "IT WAS YOU WASNT IT" 😂😂
It was Aaron Kominski. He worked in his Brother in Laws butcher shop. He disappeared from public after they got him into an institution, where he later died.
Yes it's creepy that thousands will have spent time with him and never realised it; but what is creepier is that he may have had children, and they may have had children, so in reality any one of us with English ancestry could be a relation of Jack the Ripper! And only a few generations back! It's crazy 😳
Man my grandmother on my dad's side does come from England. Because of this comment now I have to think about what if I am relates to this guy- oh lawd.
or he could've been living in Whitechapel for a couple years before starting the killings and could've been from abroad. Anyone can be related to Jack the Ripper if you think about it. Could've been your great grandparent!
I love all your vids. However, of the many true crime vids I have watched, I do believe that this is the best Jack The Ripper in RUclips. Factual and macabre, insightful and smoothly put together with just the perfect amount of dark humour. Kudos, Aaron!
Ever since I found your channel quite a few months ago, I was dying (pun intended) to see you do a video on the mystery of Jack the Ripper. You do a great job of talking about these mysteries or historical events in a good amount of time. I did watch your video on Jack the Leaper a few months ago and thought, if only he did a video on Jack the Ripper. It was a real treat to see that video now, so thank you Thoughty2.
I think if Lechmere had done it, he would’ve had blood on him, or at least his hands. If he hadn’t been able to stay so clean, he would’ve been seen immediately as the killer. Also, where’s the murder weapon? I actually heard a very good case claiming that H.H. Holmes (operator of the murder castle) is actually Jack the Ripper. There’s a documentary about it.
It was dark, Lechmere would possibly have been wearing his dirty work clothes and apron and he strangled his victims before mutilating them, so the blood spray would have been minimal. It's easy to hide a knife up your sleeve or in an apron pocket etc. He likely carried a rag on him to clean up. Again, easy to put that in a pocket. The Ripper was almost certainly a nondescript local man with intimate knowledge of the area and police beats, not a foreign outsider like HH Holmes (or Tumblety etc).
I find it odd that the suspect you latched onto in the end utterly fails to answer the question in your video title, "Why did the Ripper suddenly disappear?" Lechmere was born in 1849, he married in 1870 when he was 21, he and his wife had 11 or 12 children, he was 39 when he found (or "found") Mary Ann Nichols' body, lived for another 32 years, and died in 1920 at the age of 71. Based on what little we know of him, there doesn't seem to be any reason why he'd go on a murderous rampage against prostitutes for a few months in 1888, then just stop and not be publicly tied in to any other crime that even faintly resembled the Ripper killings for the last 3 decades of his life. Also geographic profiling indicates the most convenient addresses the Ripper could've lived and worked at would've been either Flower and Dean Street or Thrawle Street, not Doveton. All 5 victims lived on either of these 2 streets or within a couple hundred yards of them. All 5 bodies were found in close proximity to these 2 streets.
I was wondering the same thing. Why, if he was it, did he stop. Wasn't answered, but entertaining nonetheless. Like all conspiracy theories are. Hey, speaking of conspiracy theories, maybe it was aliens?
It was Konsminski. He was identified by an eye-witness who came across the crime scene just after Kosnminski had killed the woman. But, the eye-witness would not testify in court for various reasons; which is why Konsminski was placed in an asylum instead.
@@peteg4957 A lot of police files have gone missing, so there are a lot of gaps. We do know that there was a man called John Richardson, who got investigated for just being at the place, half an hour before the murder of Annie Chapman took place under much less suspicious circumstances then when Charles Lechmere found Mary Nichols. I personally think, it is likely, that Lechmere had an alibi, and was dismissed by the police.
@@ADEpoch He's suspected of the Thames torso murders as well... Not as gruesome or brutal as the Ripper killings which continued into the 90's. After that I suspect he got old or moved away.
My favourite theory is that it was the infamous HH Holmes. His killings in America had a lull around the same time and there is a HH Holmes on a ship itinerary returning to America shortly after the killings ended. Probably not him at all but, as I say, my favourite theory.
I really liked this Video and your theory on Jack the Ripper's identety. It makes a lot of sence to me. I also think that the "first" Ripper victim wasn't really the first one. I think there were others before her but they just never got connected to the other bodys. To me Jack the Ripper is such an interesting case because it shows how complex police work is and how far we have come today with our methods. A lot of cases still remain unsolved but the improvement is there. It also shows the classic problem that dead prostitudes are often over looked. They are prone to people who mean harm to others and often easy target. I also think that many of us (including me) forget, that they are people too and they need to be seen as such and not an object.
The killings stopped because the Vorlons took him... "Good luck to you in your holy cause, Captain Sheridan. May your choices have better results than mine - remembered not as a messenger. Remembered not as a reformer, not as a prophet, not as a hero, not even as Sebastian. Remembered only... as Jack." Such an incredible episode of Babylon 5. Still gives me chills.
We are lucky to they are in black and white, and a bit fuzzy. Police also photographed her eyes close up, because it was believed that the last thing a person saw would be imprinted on their retina. Too bad that turned out to be false.
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My biggest issue with this is the precision with which the organs were removed. I've heard from a woman who works at a morgue and does autopsies, that the speed and precision used by Jack the Ripper required high level training. She said she doubts she could work as fast and as precise as him, and that's with modern tech and, and she stressed this very much, with light. The murders happened in the dark, as were the mutilations. Like dark dark. Remember it was too dark for people to even see the pool of blood on the ground.
No suspect I've seen put forward would have the capability of successfully removing the organs in the dark without completely mutilating them. She also pointed out that one of the cuts to open one of the bodies was EXACTLY how autopsies are done. She said if she ever did what he was doing, she would use that exact cut without even thinking about it. It would be the most natural thing for her.
She doubted that a butcher would be able to find the organs in the dark as animals are different enough that you have to know your way around a human body. So while I like your theory as I too was initially suspicious about the dude he didn't want to move the body, I don't think that's our guy.
Thanks for the video though. You do a masterful job of telling stories and I really appreciate watching your vids.
So, someone highly trained, knowing the streets in and out, and had a deep dislike of prostitutes. All 3 are must have beens for the killer... Who of the suspects had all 3?
There's ways we dont know about history like how they put the Pyramids together, So past people have their ways since they still dont have the technology to do so. As like he said he wasnt able to mutilate the first one so he practice on the 2nd up until he knows where to go around getting the right cut, Thats why the last one. was perfectly executed.
Like they always say "Practice makes Perfect"
All stories ive heard told of him, this is mentioned, he must have been working in a field where he got those skills and could not just have been some random guy or schizophrenic whom just decided to murder.. Its sad that this was left out when its such a big part of the mystery and speculations, the man would most likely have been well educated.
I also heard in all stories that they found grape vines near the dead, but I'm not sure if that's just a common lie?
@@Gwenx how are grape vines relevant?
@@ILLUSI_O_N-V1 who knows but it could be relevant
This guys story telling abilities is on a different level.
Indeed
A level of awesomeness!!
He moves his hands around too much now days, but I still agree
British people are good at telling stories. Look at history;
Very good indeed, but my number one is Mr. Ballen! 😂
I love how you casually changed the topic from the brutal murders of Jack The Ripper to "Now, I love food..."
2 of my favorite hobbies 😃😁
Don't forget work from cutting apart animals.
So did Hannibal Lechter. I understand he was quite fond of census taker liver with fava beans and a nice chianti. Now let me tell you all about the wonderful pre-school I just enrolled my baby in!!!!!!!
Funny that something made out of powder supposed to be healthy. But it could be worse. One of Thoughty2 sponsors could be low carb, gluten free rice patties.........tee hee hee.
I paused right here.
"here's this vicious butcher of the London underworld who carved out the organs of several victims...
"... doesn't that put you in the mood for a good kidney pie? I know *I'm* working up an appetite!!"
Removing organs at night in 1888 with that kind of speed would require insane precision and knowledge. The only way any of these suspects could be considered is if they were studying and practicing without anyone knowing for many years.
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Never understood why people claim they have to have been a doctor or something, If you cut open someone's abdomen completely, you don't have to be mediacally trained to reach in and cut out asll the major organs, only a rudimentary familiarity with anatomy. One can imagine that her didn't *start* with women, he most likely started on animals, so could as well have been completely "self taught", he doesn't even need to have been trained as a butcher, or a vet.
@@jamspandex4973 Well, clearly you know nothing about surgery. Before I became a geophysicist and commercial subsea engineer diver, I was in medical school at A&M. I was studying Cardio Thoracic Surgery. I changed my major due to my interest in the Earth and the atmosphere. No, I'm not a medical doctor or surgeon. However, I was two years from completing it. Let's start with some basic human anatomy, which is wildly different from animals. First, is our largest organ and first line of defense in our immune system, our skin. It's comprised of multiple layers. Second is muscular tissue. Which is very tough. Even when the corpse is completely relaxed. Then you have tendons and bones to get through. Now, keep in mind your organs are not just in there floating around like Lily pads in a bathtub. They are secured through muscle and other tissues anchoring them into place that in conjunction are also anchored to bones and so forth. You also have the vascular system running throughout your entire body. Not to mention visceral fats and exterior fats that are all over the place. Some organs are even encased in fats. Some of the best surgical tools in the world are made right here in the United States and you're not just going to cut through them easily with a knife or a cleaver. Especially not with precision accuracy. The rib cage and the breastplate are very difficult to get through. The tendons connecting your ribs are very very tough. Simply going in and removing organs is a ridiculous statement. The idea of practicing with animals is completely ridiculous.
@@jamspandex4973 Yup no skill required at all! Destruction rarely requires high levels of skill.
@@jamspandex4973 Anyone with the most rudimentary knowledge could mutilate a body but you would need some specialized knowledge to remove a uterus or kidney. The police forensic officer would know if a skilled practitioner had removed it as he would have done a diseased organ or whether it was just hacked out by a layman.
I think thats exactly what creeps me out. The fact that several brutal criminals have and are walking around us without us even knowing.
They got him mate , some other stories from the police are they knew who it was but couldn't prove it, so they let the "right" policeman know an they killed him off the books , murders stopped
Another reason to always be polite. :)
I say they look for a guy named Jack
@Yang Jungwon you could always ask.
hes dead
The mortuary attendant Robert Mann. He lived in the middle of the murders. Being an attendant meant he knew the inner workings of the bodies, etc. Also there was 1 more victim after Jack vanished, but they thought someone was copying to throw off police. Specialist figured that it was Jack, only he was sick or injured b/c the cuts to the neck weren't as deep. Turns out Robert Mann was suffering from TB. He slowly grew weaker and died not long after.
He has been a prime suspect IMO.
I always thought the Ripper either died or went abroad , Serial killers don’t just stop
@@minkyfran8307 I get what you mean, but I'm sure a percentage probably have.
@@ominouspigeonmaster1571 It’s a compulsion that intensifies , they usually don’t stop until they die or get caught , Don’t take my word for it , just do some research , that isn’t meant to be snarky , just informative ❤️
@@minkyfran8307I'm just thinking that, all the information we have generally comes from the killers that were caught, by that very compulsion. If any did just stop, we probably wouldn't know about it.
Thank God, you talked about the first guy. Him just wanting to leave the person/body there was weird af
Not really
I am surprised none is targeting any females on this maybe 🤔 some other prostitute that just wanted more earnings and she stopped because she achieved her goal since only men were suspected and likely lots of other prostitutes left the area being afraid. She could been a monopoly 🤔
it's really not, people pass out drunk all over the place (and that's what he thought she was) and most people wouldn't try and help a drunk stranger at 3am
@@earl_gay yeah, but it was in a lonely street. it wasnt an area where they had bars and such things
Look at this day and age… not many people take the time to make sure random people are okay…
So no it’s not weird, humans are just heartless like that.🤷🏽♂️
I read somewhere that a ship came around that time with (I think some navy men). When it arrived/left it matches the murder timeline perfectly and there was one individual they suspected from the group because as soon as the ship departed/men left the murders stopped.
Carl feigenbaum. Executed for cutting a woman s throat in 1896 at sing sing
There was also a theory that he went to NY (sailor?) and committed similar murders. In the scheme of things no one will ever know.
No need to bring foreign sailors into it when we already have a local man who maches up to the murder spots and timings.
Charles Lechmere. He was actually seen right next to one of the victims.
@JasonC-ic3qd
Well seeing as I live just 20 miles southwest of the locations and have walked around the area many many times including only earlier this year, I wouldn't say that Jack The Ripper doesn't have anything to do with my life. The subject, at least, has some connection to my life. 😉
@JasonC-ic3qd
Ah it's ok. I don't mind. Nobody will truly ever know who Jack The Ripper was, but Lechmere is the best suspect as I see it. I only get niggled when some people dismiss Lechmere...... then propose far more illogical and fantastical suspects. That just doesn't make any sense.
Cheers.
That part made me laugh 😂 "He admitted to having forged the diary, then he retracted the retraction, then retracted the retraction of retraction "
Me too😂😂
It is funny how he couldn’t decide to keep going through with the charade then deciding to ride it for all it was worth. 🤣
It was Micheal Scott all along… Snip Snap Snip Snap
People like that should be sentenced, it’s hardly something to piss around over.. the guys a straight ahole
I believe you forgot to mention about perfect cuts he made. I'll always believe it was someone with a great knowledge of human anatomy at that time. Like a doctor, med student, or professor in the same field.
butchers had a great understanding, and pigs are the closest to human anatomy
@@Billygoatsgrruff Hi Professor! I forgot to mention mortician. Yes, very similar 👏 but from my angle still not good enough... I can also throw taxidermist into your option :)
That’s debated. There were coroners that said he had skill and those that said it was barbaric and unsurgical in every way. Charles lechmere was by the first victim and only witness see with a body. He lived in the area. Worked nights, and delivered meat some his clothes were always bloody. And to top all that off gave a different name when summoned for questioning
@@PoulsboHoodlum Nathan 👋 Yeah, after butcher(ing)😜 all day, the last thing i'd do is butcher some more. Let's agree to disagree 😉 I also think he was humiliated by a whore. So I'd probably ask girls NOT "Who are you afraid of?" I'd ask "Tell me about a funny/hilarious and/or a rumor story from one of the girls you know."
@@PoulsboHoodlum I belive he also moved out of white chapel around the time the murders stopped, and one of the victims were found by his mother's house.
I’ve heard the Lechmere theory before and I think he’s the best suspect. Not only bc of everything you mentioned but bc of his actions when Paul found him, how he acted during the exchange, and lying to the police afterwards. See when he called over Paul to look at her, no blood was visible, but by the time a constable found her shortly afterward, a pool had formed around her neck, suggesting the cut to her throat was extremely fresh when Lechmere and Paul were present. He also refused Paul's suggestion to prop her up, which would have instantly made it clear that her throat had been cut. In addition, neither man reported seeing or hearing anyone else on that particular street, which had no side exits. Her injuries were hidden under her clothing, whereas the Ripper typically left the wounds displayed. The theory goes that Lechmere had killed Nichols and begun the process of mutilating her body when he heard Paul, and then rushed to play it off like he found her. Lechmere lied to police, claiming that he had been with her body for a few minutes, whereas research on his route to work from his home showed that he must have been with her for about nine minutes. To top that off, not only did his way to work pass almost all the crime scenes but the night that two were killed, Lechmere was off work. .
@@jamescorlett5272 are you certain? I mean a meat cart driver ain't to far from butcher and that's who the police assumed were doing the killings, maybe he got experience from the place he was working at. unless you were there you can't say for sure.
@@jamescorlett5272 are you sure? Sounds like another weak example of yours. Try again.
Where were his knives?
@@highcountrydelatite Genetic tests published this week point to Aaron Kosminski, a 23-year-old Polish barber and a prime police suspect at the time.
@@jamescorlett5272 no you aren't you're just doing it out of spite you child.
I love everything about this video. The graphics, the editing, the writing, the soundtrack, but most of all the narration. Your voice is soothing and compelling at the same time. You speak and I want to hear more. You tell a story that everyone has heard and knows about yet after this video we learn we knew nothing. Well done! Thank you for a thoroughly researched video. You have a new subscriber here!
I actually suspected the person who just so happened to "stumble across the body" at the very start so when you revealed him to be the most suspicious person on the list I was kind of shocked lol.
I haven't heard of the story just the name but with my logical thinking and tell me if I'm wrong who is more likely to kill them I really am afraid was yet one other prostitute because think this Jack would target men none will search the women and last but most important this story most likely scared off other prostitutes of the same place its the perfect plan to have a monopoly yet seeing the photos they were good looking women most likely eliminated because they were taking so many customers and as for the brutality she could be more angry with the some
@@redflagy8 I don't know... a woman in that day and age with that kind of strength and medical knowledge? AND be poor enough to know the neighborhood like that? I don't know...
@@gaaraxnaru Mary Shelley started science fiction decades before...
@@gaaraxnaru maybe you are right women at that time weren't like today I am looking this as if it happened in the modern Era 🤔
@@robbsclassics Okay? But writing about it is different from actually cutting a person up and having the physical strength to do some of the things Jack did. Also a woman covered in blood is a bit more strange than a working man covered in it. Unless she was a butcher's wife or something. But a fellow prostitute? It just doesn't add up.
Thanks for publishing nicer pictures of the victims than most jack chroniclers, it's easier to feel empathy when you see these.
I had no idea there even were pictures of them! I was shocked! It makes it feel so real
@@sagevia-hall8757 because it it real
@@BasedToastnt i think they did word it wrong lol
pretty sure they meant it made the murders feel closer, more recent, rather than a story of an unknown killer from the late 1800s.
@@rvfssx8184 no, they didn’t word it wrong. Even if the murders really happened (like they did here), at this point it’s a story, the average person these days thinks of these as stories. When you see real pictures of the victims, it makes the story feel more real, and then your brain recognizes that these were real. So even though it was always real, it never FEELS real to most people. So saying that the pictures make it “feel so real” is completely correct, what you, and the others here mean, is that what they said was misleading
@@Av-te7ze That's what I entirely meant by comment. I may have contradicted myself with the first line, but read the rest of my reply before immediately telling me I'm wrong rather than the other two who got it completely wrong?
Lechmere being The Ripper makes sense when you think specifically about the night Jack struck twice. It's almost like he knew from prior experience that it would be better to just leave to avoid any interaction (especially since The Ripper was a known killer by that point), and try again.
Has plenty of flaws to like other likely candidate's for me i don't even think the last one was him I highly suspect her husband or ex husband whatever it was can't really remember as that was a clear murder out of passion and his dodgy behaviour and lies has me looking directly at him for her murder that is.
My moneys on lechmere
@@jabronisauce6833 I agree on the last murder. I’d also put money on Lechmere being the Ripper, but think Barnett was responsible for Mary Kelly and just tried to make it look like the work of the Ripper.
Also his path he took to work 2-3am was also the same path women were killed at 2-3am lol 😂 and he was full of hatred with women apparently
@@AdriansCreatures Yes, timing and locations are pretty compelling clues, I think. I’ve said this under other comments too, but I think the resentment of women stemmed from a dysfunctional relationship with his mom. And they had a falling out right before the first murder and reconciled shortly after the last, so I personally believe he was misdirecting his rage towards her to other women who were all of a more matronly age. And this is also why he went for the womb and why there wasn’t a sexual element to the murders. Mary Kelly was only outlier in age, which is another reason I lean towards Barnett, or at least someone else, committing that murder. Frustrating that we will never know for sure…
Hi, I hate to refer to myself as a "ripperologist," but for some reason it has always held some eerie fascination for me. I agree with you that Charles Lechmere is the best candidate for being Jack the Ripper. There were a lot of other reasons given about that first killing, such as the timing from whence Lechmere said he was coming down the street vs Robert Paul's testimony. Paul never heard him approach, and this is during a time where people wore hard soled shoes, not athletic shoes, and the streets were cobblestone, not spongy asphalt. It was dark enough outside to have concealed Lechmere in the shadows, giving him time to do exactly as you said: tidy the area and pretend to have just arrived.
Indeed. Lechmere simply HAD to have been there longer than he said. I've been to the exact spot and timed it. It takes no more than five seconds to cross from one side of that street to the spot to see what something is or isn't. Lechmere also lied to PC Mizen and lied about his real name at the inquest. Nor did he pop into the local police station on Friday afternoon, Saturday or Sunday to explain he had already "found" Nichols body before PC Neil arrived.
Lechmere only came forward AFTER Robert Paul blabbed to a reporter that there was a man up ahead of him "standing where the woman was" and would have known a police dragnet would have probably located him, so he had little choice.
I hate to refer to you as a ripperologist because if you were you would know that paul approached lechmere who wasn t walking but standing at the scene of the crime
@@davidhallett8783exactly the point! He was already there,when Paul approached....
It's actually a Jewish man Jacob Levi born (David Cohen ) He was a butcher in the area where the murders took place. The first murder was committed in front of a hospital. The hospital was there to treat syphilis. Levy was disappointed with the hospital he went to for treatment and could have committed the murder out of hatred at that moment. Levy died 2 years after the last murder, and his death certificate stated that he had syphilis. He was on the list in the investigations at the time but was not questioned because of misidentification. His wife said that things were going badly and he was having delusions. The first murder (Mary Ann Nichols) suggests that he may have had syphilis. The third murder (Elizabeth Stride; a murder committed in front of a Jewish meeting and a pro-Jewish sign was found after the murder, next to the sign was Stride's bloody apron). Serial killers commit murders in the vicinity of their own areas, such as Levy's butcher shop.
@Tekbörü
Levi cannot be placed at any of the crime scenes.
his ability to go from talking about a serial killer to anything sponsoring him without stopping is so cool
and speaking of brutally murdering strangers, how about these brutally murderous deals you can find at Walmart
You do know he shoots the sponsorship separately and inserts it through editing. Watch for a change of shirt when promoting
@@myscreen2urs yes but it still is amazing how he edits it so perfectly
@@CantTellYou gotta pay the bills - at least it's good production
Adverts aren't cool dude
The recent book The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper by Hallie Rubenhold is an excellent that refutes the story that all five women were prostitutes. Most were poor and unemployed women. The book focuses on the lives of the women up until their murders. I've been researching the Ripper since the 80s and have read dozens of books and about 150 hours of videos
Have you watched "The Missing evidence: Jack the Ripper?" On the Smithsonian channel? Best suspect to date, I won't say the name, it will ruin it. You investigating the White chapel murders, surprised you didn't mention his name.
May they rest in peace it is easy to forget this were real people
A book that focuses in the lives of 5 women of the time is pure fantasy.
If police and pretty much nobody has details about someone life how the fk would a writer be able to write a book about the lives of 5 poor women in the 19nt century.
Get real, that book has as much validity as transformers being real lol
@@AlexEternalChampHave you read the book?
So who is your prediction of who jack was?
I love how this dude tell stories
Just wish he didnt use so many dumb clickbait titles for his videos
@@valtonen77 Blame youtube for that its just how the algorithm and shit works youtube wants clickbaity vidoes and will keep people on youtube watching videos, it's how you get the most views so it's what everyone does, I don't mind his clickbaity titles because his videos are usually good. The trash videos that have extreme clickbait and the ones that piss me off.
@@abacus7087 I just avoid any videos with clear clickbait titles even if they come from channels I watch
@@valtonen77 yet here you are lmao
He's not a dude, he's a man. You're a dude one sandwich away from fat.
I've seen the pictures and read the post mortem report.
It is so grisly you can barely make out what you are looking at. Only things you can recognize is her hair, forearms and legs.
I accidentally came across the image on Wikipedia. It was at 1am and I struggled to sleep for weeks.
It really is the most disturbing image to exist on the internet.
@@MaddyLou_72 once seen, you can't forget it. An inspector on the scene apparently said the same thing. 'I hope to never see such a sight again'
And that shits after the body’s been cleaned. Imagine the initial crime scene
Correction only the left leg is recognizable other is too mangled
Was that the last victim? The one he spent hours on?
Add in that she didn't start bleeding out until after the bobby came up to the body is more incriminating. A neck wound that deep would have bled fast and pooled fast. That the first two men didn't see a pool is very incriminating. When I first heard the beginning story, I agreed with your assessment. Then when you added the final details of name hiding, profession, route and add in likely access to tools of the trade it seems very probable. It would be interesting to see if one could discover his obituary. Given his later years and the roughness of the neighborhood he may have passed thus ending the murder spree. If this were verified through an obituary or census, one might have an even more compelling case. Well done.
@rebelsmileygirl Well, if Lechmere was the killer, it's only the one man, not two men, who didn't see a pool of blood. Lechmere, of course, would have pretended not to see it.
@@johnstrawb3521 so true
Lechmere/Cross died in December 1920 at the age of 71. Based on the year & his age, I’d guess that he died from the 1919 flu pandemic, which actually started in 1918 and lasted well into 1921.
@@DneilB007 The average male life expectancy was 65 to 70 years. Could he then have retired or lost or passed his employ to someone younger thereby ending his spree and then fallen to death of said plague? The may never know? Of course all things being equal the case could still have been someone else interrupted who died of being run over by a carriage back in the day. That is the sad mystery behind this whole evil. 😕
They didn't see it because it was late at night, the streets were not illuminated as they are today.
Surprised you didn't mention the Jill the Ripper theory. Supposedly a midwife, which would give her knowledge of the female reproductive system, as well as an excuse for being out during the curfew - "Sorry officer, I'm going out to deliver a baby."
That said, your theory of Charles Lechmere seems pretty strong, and is probably my favourite.
Well many witnesses never saw a woman with the victims prior to their deaths, they saw and heard a man speak merely minutes before the killings of these victims
Especially considering we now know serial killers tend to show up at crime scenes and also like to be involved as a witness with the police.
@@ryantannehill2830 Most killers are present at the crime scene atleast once(when the killing occurs). Some will come back later, but that wouldn't be the case here.
Someone being disturbed and caught on scene might be more likely if he's just developing his modus operandi. And the change from a covered body to full display would make sense if the killer was interrupted on the first one or if he witnessed the discovering of a body and thought he could improve there.
Also Lechemere didn't notice someone except Paul and Paul noticed Lechemere only when he stood next to the body. But the shoes of that age were hearable for some distance (especially at night). So why couldn't Paul hear someone walking just a few seconds in front of him?
And if there was no blood visible for the first two witnesses but a huge pool for the Constable the time between the murder and the discovery by Lechemere/Paul must be shorter than the time between them leaving and the Constable finding her(and calling for a doctor). When the doctor arrived he concluded that she was dead "no more than 30 minutes". Which would mean that the constable found her maybe 5 or max 10 minutes after her death. Which means that there was almost no time left for any killer to walk away before Lechemere discovered her, Paul arrived, both discussed what to do and walking away to find a policemen.(all in 2-5minutes)
@@philw6056 your analysis makes sense
Of the suspects named, Lechmere or "David Cohen" (probably not his actual name), a violently insane Eastern European Jew arrested in December 1888 who died in the asylum in early 1889, strike me as the most likely.
The big problem with Lechmere, based only on what we know about him, is why did he stop? The general theory from every criminologist and profiler is that it's really unlikely the Ripper would've stopped murdering by choice. He had to have died, moved away or been incarcerated. Lechmere appears to have lived in London until he died in 1920.
The problem with "Cohen" is he was so overly nuts by the time that he was arrested you wonder how he could've possibly passed as a client long enough to get the women to go with him. Although he could've deteriorated significantly between the Kelly murder and being arrested.
Your theory is perfect! When I taught this case in my Forensic Science class, the general consensus among my students was that Jack was someone who belonged in White Chapel and was therefore invisible to investigators, not to mention you always have to question the one who found the body.
Iv not watched the video fully yet but my theory was they got him but couldn't prove it an they just killed him or another plausible thing was he got arrested and jailed for something else , weird to not gave a conclusion tho 😔
' when you taught ' so your pupils were unanimous he lived local erm yeah -give yourself a pay rise.
Every single body had to be found by somebody. The evidence against Lechmere is pretty thin, but that doesn't bother many people who simply want to name a killer.
@@GilbertSyndromeIt's honestly probably no one they ever found.
That last victim feels incredibly personal. Did anyone amongst the student body feel a similar way ? The level of mutilation, getting to the victim in their home, it felt personal where as the other victims felt like random victims of unfortunate timing.
I can’t say I’m a huge Jack the Ripper follower but it you into paranormal or unsolved mystery type of shows you always come across Ripper history. The newest and biggest thing I found out in this program was records and reports were destroyed in the blitz. I find that interesting. Thanks. Cool to hear something new including new suspects. Thanks!
My Great Grandmother wrote of the fear and horror generated by Jack the Ripper's crimes. She didn't move about the city after dark, let alone walk-through Whitechapel. I'm going with the thought that Charles Lechmere was "the ripper." Many thanks, Arran.
Then, what made him stop?
@@Sool101 -- Who knows? Possibly, the fear of someone close to him finding out about his crimes caused him to stop his killing spree. I doubt if the killer started to develop a conscience.
@@walterfechter8080 usually the more killers kill the more mad and arrogant they become. However not all are like that
@@Philip54622 -- So true.
@@walterfechter8080 Agreed. I do wonder about Lechmere's physical condition. If he was injured or became seriously ill, maybe he physically couldn't commit more murders.
I'm really glad you brought up the first guy the see a body again. I was thinking the whole time that he was quite suspicious trying to leave the body undisturbed. Could have been both of them covering for each other for all we know.
What are you saying!? Your first sentence sounds like you had a stroke...
So if you found a random body youd start touching it? No lol the general consensus is to not touch something you’re not sure of until authorities say otherwise. Creep.
@@ivyrose5153 No... But to render assistance is not what most would call a creep move. People do it every day.
@@gorfmaster1 Most people do render assistance though.
If Charles was the killer, then why did he stop after five victims? Since it was not on the police radar he may have moved away or died with no notice of it. Is there any explanation as to why if Charles was a killer that he suddenly stopped killing?
it’s weird. The moustache used to horrify me, but now I can’t imagine him without it. It really suits him
(horrify was hyperbole, obviously i wasn’t horrified, I just didn’t think it looked that good. It looks great now in my opinion though. Not that my or anyone else’s opinion on it really matters. He clearly liked it and stuck with it)
"A man without a moustache is a man without a soul."
Confucius
I know! That stash has a hypnotic power that no normal person can resist!
This guy have some interesting topics. But I can’t stand to watch him. He is so irritating with the way he move his hands all the time I can’t stand it. From where I’m coming from moving your hands so much like that while talking is a sign of stupidity and bad vocabulary.
@@vik.1903 so austrian mustache man was good all along
So dumb, lmao. Must be a teen.
Everyone always assumed that the murders stopped. Maybe the guy just moved or got more careful.
Lechmere is a suspect of two other murders twenty years earlier using the exact same MO of two deep left to right slashes of the throat and was known to have tried to sell a blood soaked knife he’d tried to clean as it was wet the buyer said. His step dad the police man called Cross had just died prior so might have been the trigger.
Twenty years pass and his daughter dies and boom five ladies get killed by the same deep, double right handed slashes to the throat. The killer had learnt to keep them quiet by using their scarves to choke them then slash. Might also help prevent that initial spray of blood all over himself giving him time to step back.
Whoever did it had a lot of hate and experience knowing to cut deep. First time killers tend to stab or slash more shallow as they don’t know how much effort it takes.
@@stevepirie8130 Do you know what happened to Lechmere at the time the murders stopped??
@ no I’d never heard of him until a couple years ago as the guy spotted standing over a victim. Hence the interest in him after seeing these videos.
@ I think he lived into the 1920s
This is such a frustrating case. If you look into it at all you’ll walk away thinking 15 different people did it.
I fell for the scam book back in the 90s but his photo is so eery of the guy in top hat.
There was a serial killer sailor who was executed in NYC a few years after the ripper slayings and he had said in his interrogation that he’d been in London at the time of said slayings.
Edit: The man I was thinking of was Carl Feigenbaum. During his sailing days, any time the ship he served on made port, unsolved murders of various lower class women pop up in the record of that community. While he doesn’t 100% fit every detail in the accepted profile of Jack, I think he’s a very good candidate for being the ripper.
Do you know his name?
Yeah what’s his name
@@BetterDays2004 I am not sure if the Night Watcher is thinking about the same as me, but there was aman who confessed in New York shortly before his execution, his name was Carl Feigenbaum. I only remember him being charged with and convicted for one murder. So maybe others has confessed as well or. Anyway, Feigenbaum confessed to being the Ripper.
@@noeloreilly9440 can only tag one. But yeah, you can check my comment for Miya.
@@noeloreilly9440 he was aparrently a quack with some strange habits by the name of tumbletee an believe his first name was Francis an police found some tickets/receipts of dates that he sailed from the states to England then returned to the states sometime later which coinsided with some of the murders but after reading much of the ripper over time I personally would have him 3rd on the suspects list.
It’s not just three bodies that were on his route. Mary Jane Kelly’s abode was towards the northern most point of Lechmere’s delivery route, & the night she was murdered, he was on holiday. If he was the Ripper, that might explain why he spent so much time w/ her. He had all day & night to do what he wanted.
And yet, his wife never told anybody he was out for 2-3 hours on his day off?
Wives usually notice if you're gone that long.
Who knows?
@@drbigmdftnu Contrary to Hollywood depictions of Victorian women being strong independent females,...they were not and did and spoke as they were told. They had few if any rights. Men could do as they pleased, and women had literally no recourse as they were seen as hysterical and mentally disturbed if they "over reacted" to situations. Besides it was only one time as the other four were done at times he was normally out anyway.
The artist Walter Sickert, who was part of a 'team'. Some of his art in later years is shockingly reminiscent of the mutilations. Nose removed etc. Can't remember the name of the book now though. It was very convincing.
Patricia Cornwell was the author. I thought she made a good case.
Nonsense theory. Cash in to try and sell books. Not a jot of evidence for him.
@@billcarlo692I still have the book and I believe, as well, her info is very compelling.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Agree. Anybody can get impressed by and draw paintings reminiscent of famous and widely publicized murders.
I read Cornwell's book years ago. I thought it was a good theory, but was not wholly convinced. Perhaps her strongest argument is the evidence that he likely wrote some of the Ripper letters, but writing the letters doesn't make someone a killer. He does have a number of creepy paintings, for sure. Biggest weakness is that Sickert was out of the country for at least one Ripper murder, so you've got to have him traveling back.
I believe the strongest evidence points to Kosminski as the Ripper. I have little doubt it was him.
My favorite ripper theory (just the one I find most interesting not the one I believe most likely) was that he was an abortion doctor who mutilated and/or removed their reproductive organs to cover up botched abortions.
Also, was Catherine endowed the only one with facial mutilation? If so she might be the key to figuring out the whole thing. Messing up her face feels so much more personal, so Jack could have known her before the murder.
MJK also did have her face heavily mutilated. Just like the entire rest of her body. The pictures that exist..... Are terrifying. I heavily recommend not looking them up.
That being said; I believe her ex boyfriend to be a good candidate.
The man lost his job a short while before the murders started which forces MJK to go back to prostituting herself. He was unhappy with this. Shortly thereafter, the murders started. Now, my theory is that he committed those murders to scare her away from prostitution, after a few murders it is recorded that he visited her again but it isn't known what exactly happened. When questioned by the police he said he talked to her trying to get back with her and when it was clear that wasn't gonna happen he left, around an hour after arriving. She then, we know from her neighbour, went out to find clients, came home very drunk. And was murdered. In the most brutal way of any of Jack the ripper's victims. She was the last victim that is commonly agreed to have been murdered by Jack the ripper.
His name is Joseph Barnett and I say he is the most likely candidate for Jack the Ripper that I am aware of.
If you want to get into learning a bit more about Jack the Ripper I highly recommend Lemmino's video on him. It's about an hour long, detailed, presents all the cases that are commonly agreed to have been the Ripper's victims and presents some likely candidates, all without showing any gruesome pictures.
For the second part I'd recommended watching lemmino's video on this for a possible explanation
No, Mary Jane Kelly had her face viciously mutilated too, I don't think anything can be found from looking into the victims, they were just easy targets I imagine, poor forgotten trollops
Jack the Ripper was a Police officer. Thats why he knew the police routes and shifts or what not, hence he never got caught also🤷🏽♂️
@milanthapa7302 have you ever seen a map of London at the time? The whole city was a maze of alleyways. They couldn't catch him because it was impossible to catch him in the act.
As the doco "The Missing Evidence" pointed out, Lechmere was also the unlucky guy who just happened to be at the locations and times of every victim, two being killed on his only night off for the week when Jack had the time to chop them up.
He was either the Ripper or walking bad luck.
Also being a meat cart driver it would be common for him to wear a leather butcher's apron. So unlucky
What if that was part of jacks plan? To set him up like that?
@@xenomorph6807 pretty sure Jack didn't make him lie to the cops about his name and the fact that there was already a policeman on the scene.
@@studioseppuku9454 might just have been luck on his side, obviously we dont know who did what, but seeing how highly intelligent jack the ripper had to be to manage these murders in the way he did, it woudnt be to farfetched of an assumption.
@@studioseppuku9454 Maybe he wanted to report under a different name because the murders where happening on his route to work, so he wouldn't become the next victim. There are many thing to be factoring in.
A woman could have set him up. She whoever the lady was was Jack.
How did you make this over-told mystery, which I know a lot about, still interesting? Everyone, or most, knows the Jack the Ripper case, but you give more interest and wonder to it. That goes for all your videos btw. Well done. Liked. :)
The video LEMINO did a while back is awesome, thoroughly recommend it.
While I think most people would probably know about the Ripper, the amount of people “shocked” about the Dahmer series was mind blowing, so I’m glad these are still being made.
sorry, I have a question
Have you ever seen the images he mentioned about the last woman?
And if yes, how much are they horrible? They are totally out of what someone can handle seeing or more like the RUclips or Netflix 18+ mark?
@@jackmorass TRIGGER WARNING TO ANY OTHER READERS: LOOK UP THE PHOTO AT YOUR OWN RISK. I did get curious and I did look up the crime photo. It is incredibly gruesome and tragic. I could never comprehend how someone could do that to another human being. I hope that answers your question. :)
@@jordanalberts3898 thanks
I think I won't look.
I love everything about this video. The graphics, animation, editing and to my ear at least the narration. Your voice draws me in and makes listen. Your knowledge of the subject matter is impressive as well as the research it took to complete this video. Thank you for doing all of the work you did to present this video. It is greatly appreciated. Well done!
There are some great theories about Jack the Ripper disappearing, but he's from an era where the guy could have drank some bad water and shat himself to death. We'll never know
An interesting theory lol x
@@schrodingerscat8242 if a historian ever discovered evidence of that it'd be one of the biggest letdowns in human history!
that’s amazingly put 😂
That's what I'm saying lmao! Did humans suddenly forget that people can just die?
😂😂😂😂
I personally suspect that Jack the Ripper was an unidentified member of the British Military, since there are descriptions of him in a Millitary uniform, he was described to be of millitary age and is said to have had experience with anatomy which could imply that he had served as a medic of some kind or a ship's doctor.
This could also explain the sudden abrupt end to his spree and why it never resumed, he could have been deployed overseas and died while on deployment.
This actually makes so much sense. I had never really thought of anything like that.
It does make sense but I've never heard of any witnesses having seen the murderer so how was he described to be of military age or being in a military uniform?
A butcher wears a leather apron and would have a good grasp of anatomy. It’s also known that some serial murderers stop even for decades. BTK the most well known. A local man with butchering experience fits better.
have you heard that some people think jack the ripper was a woman but i will say that what you’re saying seems to make more sense lol
@@curandas8801 If I remember correctly LEMMiNO did an excellent documentary on Jack The Ripper called *The Enduring Mystery of Jack the Ripper* and it at least alludes that Jack the Ripper might have been a solider or sailor based on some witness description and if I remember correctly he was as described to be around military age.
I could be wrong about that it's been a while since Iast watched it.
*The Enduring Mystery of Jack the Ripper:*
ruclips.net/video/lADBHDg-JtA/видео.html
the amount of research and work you put into your videos really shows Great content as allways..
I'm surprised you didn't mention James Kelly. He was a upholsterer, colloquially known as a "ripper", he had the tools and the skills, and shortly before the spree began he'd escaped from a sanitarium for making his wife past tense.
Was Kelly the same guy that was the roomate of the last victim?
@@Osndbia That was Joseph Barnett
I have 4 different beliefs about who Jack the Ripper was.
1. Charles Allan Lechmere, mostly due to him being there within minutes after Mary Ann Nichols was murdered, didn't want to move the body, gave the police an alias and his path to work would encounter the victims.
2. James Kelly, for anyone who seen "Jack the Ripper In America." Kelly killed his wife. Escaped from Broadmoor Asylum. An age regressed photo looks similar to a police composite sketch. When he returned to Broadmoor as an old man, claims that he went on a warpath.
3. Its possible that all 5 victims were by different men. From the descriptions of the men, that the victims were last seen with moments before they were found dead. Witnesses gave different descriptions. Either from different angles and distances in passing, the witnesses saw something different. Or they saw different men.
4. Unknown man.
Number 4 is a bold one 🤭
@@JohnDoe-zw8vx I'm hoping it's not 4., my bets are on Kelly or Lechmere. But I have to be realistic, because I have heard arguments against Kelly and Lechmere. It would be something, if it was 3 and it was both Lechmere and Kelly who committed the crimes.
@@JohnDoe-zw8vx I take it that's a joke? I mean I think it was Latchmere
I don't think it's number 3 the pattern seems to indicate a serial killer the pattern is too similar as is the area
@@michaelstone5298 I agree with you, but I'm going to play devil's advocate and say it could have been a group, maybe harvesting organs or something.
Been watching (Subbed) to Thoughty2 for as long as I could remember watching RUclips. I'm happy to see you're success right in front of my eyes it inspires me as an artists so thank you for all the laughs and good memories and more.
Hands down the best video on this channel
I love this channel so much, I just wish there was a podcast
i think this is a case where we will truly never know who the actual killer was but it is a fascinating subject for criminal justice and history. i believe its just the case of we'lll never truly know who jack the ripper was.
The only suspect who has any sort of evidence against him is Charles Lechmere.
We absolutely will never know who he was as there is no evidence to analyze or trustworthy information to obtain. Every suspect is just as likely as well as unlikely and he may have been a complete unknown. There simply is no way to solve a case this old without a time machine.
I actually thought of Lechmere being the killer at the beginning, but that's just my storytelling senses kicking in 😂 I believe Jack was just a random guy that never appeared in this video. Real life's not a planned out novel, it doesn't usually come full circle
A well regarded British homicide detective looked into it with modern techniques and believes Lechmere is Jack.
So much of his investigation adds up and Lechmere lied about his name to the police. It's Charles Cross, there is a brilliant doco on it.
@@studioseppuku9454 That sounds really interesting! I'll go check it out, thanks :)
come round full circle? that’s how most crime cases work - most of the time friends, family or witnesses were the murderers
@@circe2258 If you put it like that, true! It made more sense to me when I wrote that haha
Cause he was
Thoughty2 was one of the first of these kinds of historical/storyteller channels that I came across when getting into YT about a decade or so ago. Amazing to think he's still churning out fresh and original content like this all these years later.
As far as The Ripper goes, my theory has always been the one at 23:37 - the killer is someone who's probably never even been named as a suspect and whose identity is lost to history.
Prolly a cop or several of them who made it up as an excuse for a boys night out from home....or a boys night out without getting caught
I was thinking the same thing, it was a cop. Back then no one would’ve suspected it. Hell cops nowadays are and have been arrested for crimes. I find it coincidental that records were lost in a fire, 🤔. Whoever it was got away with it .
I think it's important to note that there's actually evidence that not all of the victims were prostitutes. There's firm evidence that at least two were, but we can't tell for certain if the others were.
I highly recommend The Five by Hallie Rubenhold, which talks about the women and their hostories instead of focussing on their murders alone. We're all fascinated by the mystery, but it's so important to remember that they were real women who were vulnerable, and were brutally murdered.
I have read the life histories of all the canonical five and they were clearly all prostitutes or indulged in casual prostitution from time to time. Exactly who are you claiming wasn't a prostitute?
@@kayla-Rey22 I think it's more or less agreed that Mary Jane Kelly and Elizabeth Stride were prostitutes or more accurately that was their primary source of income whereas, for some of the others, it's agreed that they engaged In prostitution when they were desperate and unable to make money by other means. I think @Charlie-pu9bx means that most of the victims weren't career prostitutes
Agreed, the book was so engaging also if you are interested one of the best podcasts on the case is from the serial killer podcast. He has a whole series on Jack the Ripper it goes into amazing detail and you find out so much about the women as people, he reminds you that these were people and not just players in a story, really emotive and compassionate as well as fascinating
Who gives a fuck about them they died
@@kayla-Rey22 I highly recommend reading The Five by Hallie Rubenhold. Very good book that explores the lives of the victims and how they weren't all career prostitutes.
0:02 Nobody Gonna comment on the fact that having to go to work at 3:40 am is a heinous crime in and of itself 😂😂😂
I was raised by a monster and it's uncanny how many people would not recognize one if they met one. They will seem the most jovial, well rounded, nice people. If they're successful monsters, you will never... ever see them coming until it's too late.
No you weren’t, don’t spend your 44 likes all at once 🙄
@@nathancarr5437 weird thing to be jealous about. I didn't enjoy it. Maybe you would've.
@@heathertaylor8904 trust me someone who was raised by a monster wouldn't be acting and talking the way u are
@@heathertaylor8904 ur probably just spoiled or sum
@@cheekybastard1423 so, in your esteemed opinion, is it that I use big words? I'm curious. It's always entertaining to hear a strangers reasoning on why your life experiences couldn't have happened. Interested to hear your take on my life. Take your time.
I would suggest the book, "The Five: the Untold Lives of the Women Killed by Jack the Ripper" by Hallie Rubenhold. Her in depth research dispels many of the assumptions about the victims(only one had been known to be a sex worker). There is a lot of fascinating information about the lives of women living in poverty in Victorian England.
Thanks for the reading suggestion .🙂
Yes, highly recommended. There's a lot of Victorian prejudice still alive and well in this case.
Brilliant book!
@Fairfax Not sure why you would say that, she details her research extensively. Please read it before you make ridiculous statements.
@Fairfax She's mistaken about the victims not being prostitutes. It has been well-documented that they were.
I think the key thing is he quit while he was ahead. They had so many suspects they were bound to have been closing in on him.
You don’t just stop after killing 5 people, most likely he was incarcerated, died or moved away and continued elsewhere
Yea, even if he wasn’t a suspect he knew he would’ve most likely have been caught or spotlighted if he kept it up
"the most dangerous of serial killers aren't the strongest but the smartest"
Moved back to America
How does quantity of suspects necessarily help them?? They are more than likely talking to people who have nothing to do with the murders and be getting nowhere.
I think the ripper disappeared because he didn't want to get caught.
Wow you re like shylock holmes
The night of the Double Event was Letchmere's night off and the two victim that night were the only ones not conceivably on his route to work. However, his mother and sister lived close to Berner Street where Liz Stride was killed, so he could have been returning from a visit to them.
And failing to mutilate Stride, he would have known where to find prostitutes. St Botolphs. Lechmere passed by there on his old route to work.
Don't drink the Kool aid.
@@bethryan9077
He's pointed out facts. Nothing to do with Kool Aid.
Nichols and Chapman (and Tabram) were all killed on work days right on Lechmere's routes to work and at similar times. The first one who wasn't killed on a work day was Stride..... and she was killed near where Lechmere's family lived and on a night/morning when he could well have been visiting them seeing as he didn't have to get up for work early.
@@lyndoncmp5751 LMAO, slurp.
@@lyndoncmp5751 Firstly, there is No evidence let alone Proof, that Cross lived at that address & so, no Proof that Cross is Lechmere. An inquest document online - Chas. Andrew Cross. The fact of the matter is - no killer, let alone a Knife killer, would approach a witness who has Seen him now, then walks away chatting with him & then makes himself Known to the Cops. Then, continues skulking around the streets in the early morning hours when Many people know he was on the scene of that victim & he is Known to More of the cops because he did go to the inquest. Even if Cross is actually Lechmere, who lived in Whitechapel his whole life & worked at Pickfords for over 20 years, then he is Well Known to loads of locals & work colleagues & as a carman, also business associates. A couple of Morons make a doc & fooltube videos putting about that - he continued walking the streets in the black early morning hours for Weeks & carried on approaching prostitutes In Front of people & did the killings with the same & much worse MO. LOL. Really??
All the jibber jabber about 'times' for 3 cops & 2 other men is boring as all hell Childish friggin Bunk, nobody will Ever get it sorted. 5 men have No Idea what time they were where. End of. Each one says a time, each newspaper states various times & Christer made up His own time to suit his stupidass 'theory' about a guy by the name of Charles A. Cross & Christer does Not Know his home address. Putting modern font on a page with 1888 newspaper headers above, is Not proof of Cross' home address.
The professional hypnotist Stealthy Eddy Stow has made up His own 'times' to suit His mind numbing Gobshite & repeats it all over & over as his Brainwashing tactic. LOL.
There most certainly Were other males who came across other of the bodies.
Cross sure Did raise the alarm Straight Away, he did Not keep walking on down the road. It is very understandable considering the Times & the conditions for that area in 1888, that when he saw a woman who lay prone on the ground, his thoughts went to someone who had maybe been attacked & as there were lots of prostitutes who roamed around in the early morning hours, he was very well aware that would be the case & as they were known to Drink, his first thoughts did not turn to murder. If I was a male back then in Whitechapel, I sure as hell would Not have wanted to be the male to try & wake her up at 3.30 a.m., all by myself, at the very least, in whatever state, she could have just started screaming. He did Nothing wrong.
I do Not believe the Rubbish from Holmgren or Stow, both dopes who think they are smarter than all the police involved including Inspector Abberline from Scotland Yard who was brought in after the murder of Mary Ann Nichols, as he knew Whitechapel very well.
And BTW - in regards to Nichols, there were Two cuts to her throat plus 2 stabs to the vagina, several stabs & cuts to the abdomen causing the Bowels to Protrude through the abdomen. Now you are Informed of the basics, pleease don't carry on as if there would have been no blood on that friggin Knife, or anywhere else. In the black of night down that road with high buildings both sides, the killer would Not have Known about blood on his person, clothes or shoes. End of.
And FYI - Mary Ann had bruises on her face And on her hands, meaning, she put up a Fight.
And people are drinking the Kool-Aid no matter the lunacy of the dumb as dog doo ‘reasoning’ behind the blather. Jeez.
Lastly, in relation to the canonical 5 alone, there were no reports of any scream or screams, yet picture the areas of each, people lived thick in most of the buildings/surrounds. So why would that be? It takes a long time to strangle someone to death & all manner of struggling could occur, which would mean shouting, fighting, screaming, something. Reports talk about these women being more than feisty, they were brawlers, could defend themselves, they were all drinkers. There are a lot of 'similarities' when it comes to the victims & where attacked. They were selected. Someone in the pubs was watching them, probably got to know them. I believe the victims were given drink with poison which accounts for a quick death, no noise & so why little bleeding, victims in the street & yards. Just a thought.
Victims before & after the 5, same victimology.
The most interesting (if not tragic) thing about Jack the Ripper isn't the victims or the one responsible for them. It is the mythological boogie man that the media, people, and historians/ ripperologists had created. Jack the Ripper as a Victorian "phantom" is more akin to Spring Heel Jack, and other tales. The man who did these murders is lost to time no matter how many suspects are made, but the legend of the monster that represents them all lives on today.
Damn.....
Sightings of the spring-heeled jack date back to 1837. Most people think that is why this serial killer was named Jack.
It is intriguing aswell as tragic. Like the titanic that sunk and claimed hundreds of lives we still enjoy trying to solve it and consuming Media about it because it's so interesting
WW2 and any war are being enjoyed in videogames.
It's interesting I remember hearing someone say
"a story without tragedy nor hardships isn't a story, the more tragic one's story is the more interesting it becomes"
Morbid as hell but correct.
Hmmmmm damn…
I'm so glad someone else has pointed this out about Charles lechmere. Thought this as soon as I first learnt about the Ripper case and I'm surprised not more people talk about how suspicious this guy is. Don't know if you mention it because I paused the video to write this but the guy had lied about his name from memory as well which is very strange, he also fits the description quite well in my opinion. Soon as this video started I was really hoping you'd bring it back to Charles at the start, so glad I wasn't disappointed
Lechmere was an excellent ripper candidate , as was the finger from Leicester ( serial killer , executed in Australia ) and the guy for Birmingham , hanged in Scotland .
However , none of them are the ripper.
The ripper , went on to be the mayor of the Isle of Wight after his killing spree.
He didn't lie about his name. He used his stepfather's name instead of his birth name, and it wasn't the only time he ever used that name. The police knew where he lived and worked, so there would have been no advantage to deceiving them about that.
I like the Lechmere suggestion it looks good, the only down side I can see is that the killings stopped but Lechmere was still alive and generally a serial killer can't stop. The suggestion that all the cuts/mutilations where precise is based on the idea that the Ripper knew the human body, but someone who used to cut up animals for cat food would have the skill to make clean cuts, Then stick their hands in and pull the organs out to cut off, would not take much skill. Another good one Thoughty2, cheers Aaron
Your story telling is incredible man. Please do more of these serial killer style episodes it was genuinely amazing. Actually got me interested in recent history and serial killers. Such a good creator thanks bro
It’s actually pretty common for male serial killers to target prostitutes. The reason is usually related to having an abusive or neglectful mother, and they view killing a prostitute as killing a sad excuse of a woman. Also, as mentioned, prostitutes are often easy targets
Yeah I'd even morbidly say that
Prostitutes are used as practice or to get a feel because most times no one will miss them before going onto bigger "game"
It's just so.....wow.
Your last point is important. Prostitutes would have gone with him to where they weren't likely to be disturbed, which is what the killer would have wanted too.
the most likely suspect is David cohen who was implicated by an researcher called Martin Fido in a book
he claimed that David Cohen was a sort of John doe name that was given to him at the asylum he was put in in 1888 and that his actual name Nathan Kaminsky
the police at the time named one as their suspects as Kosminski and people thought this was Aaron Kosminski but he alleges that they where actually talking about Kaminsky hense the mixxup
if you belief fidos book there is a lot off evidence thats pointing at Kaminsky
1st he was instiutionalized at an asylum in 12 December 1888 one month after the last jack the ripper murder explaining the sudden stop to the killings
2nd he was said to be antisocial and violent during his stay at the asylum
3rd he lived in the whitechapel area during the time of the murders
4th he was treated for syphilis a STI which could have been transmitted to him by a prositute giving a possible motivation for the murders , aswell the fact that syphilis in the late stages can attack the Centeral nervious system and cause irratic behavior
In total the smoking gun here is first point which seems too close to be a random fact
As tragic as it is that the killer was never identified and brought to justice, I am sure that if he had been, the mystique and legendary status of the case would be significantly diminished today.
So true!
Is that such a bad thing?
Nah, it'd be amplified. Do you not remember how all these serial killer documentaries are stupid popular?
@@Siphlex exactly! A serial killer doesn't deserve any attention from anyone but the police, in my opinion.
I wonder if the murderer could stay out of sight partially because of a worse police department during his time🤔, hope so...
Its not scary anymore . He is dead .
The picture of his last victim in the bed is nuts. He somehow completely exposed her femur bone on her right leg. He legitimately removed all of her thigh muscle and tissue
How eye opening! I've never heard about Lechmere in any Ripper supposition accounts. Well done Thoughty 2!
I also find it sad that there is no photograph of Mary Jane Kelly. At no time in her adult life was a photo taken of her? No relatives to bring forth a photo from an old family album? What a soulessly difficult & unloved life these women must have lead.
but there is one of her mutilated corpse
that's sad that that's the only picture of her there is
Having your photo taken at that time was very expensive so if your family were poor they would not have been able to afford it
@@helenbartoszek243 I'm well aware of that yes. But even the other 4 had at least one photo taken. MJK must have been poor for a very long time, never having been able to take just one photograph.
@@smorgasbroad1132 Or possibly outcast/estranged from family. But yes I believe they all lived in very sad circumstances.
@@silentpoet75 Yes- being outcast is a very real possibility. I have thought of that also-in regards to the unidentified bodies of John Wayne Gacy's victims. Nobody cared to identify as they were possibly already considered dead to the family?
I just finished listening to your book on Audible and LOVED it, I hope you write many more and PLEASE narrate more, I drive truck in the U.S. and find listening to your voice to be VERY relaxing
Yes, I'd say you're right that Lechmere/Cross is a likely candidate. In another video "The Missing Evidence: Jack the Ripper," Lechmere later encountered a constable and told him about the murdered woman, and that another constable was there already. But that was a lie. By pure chance, another constable had just found the body; this covered the lie when the other constable arrived at the scene.
But I think crime historian Donald Rumblelow, author of "The Complete Jack the Ripper," said it best. It's the End of Time when all things will be known. The ripperlogists will ask "Who was Jack the Ripper?" The Ripper will step forward and say his names. The experts will look at each other and say, "Who?"
I saw that video as well but they never showed any evidence that he lied about that so it's just hearsay although I'd say either him or Maybrick are my 2 top suspects. Also on Google it says Lechmere AKA Charles Cross died in 1920, ages after the murders so why is there no evidence leading to more murders after the first lot? If he changed locations why have we not found those logs and discovered more murders? I feel like if anything there's more concrete evidence supporting Maybrick over this guy when you start trying to add things up but the real answer to all of this sadly is just: we will never know.
I think jack just moved somewhere else that’s what I would do
Lechmere might not have lied about knowing another Bobbie/constable was already at the scene. If he did it, he might’ve waited to see the other man return to the scene with a constable, and saw the other constable approach, and in any case, he counted on that happening; if he was the ripper he knew the police routes. In any case, he expected the first witness to return with help for the woman (believing she was drunk). Having second thoughts about whether the man who found him with the body could later identify him, would have led him to approach the other officer. This way, he wouldn’t appear to be ducking the police and, seem as if he’d done exactly what he told the man who caught him - that he went for help.
On the other hand, he might’ve said that there was another officer there simply because he assumed there would be, since the other man said that he would find one and he expected that would have happened by the time he did.
You all should check out LEMMiNO and his video on Jack the Ripper. He did such an amazing deep dive and literally covers every murder and shows a map of where all the victims were placed/left. His voice is so calming too, even when talking about the craziest stuff. Another good video of LEMMiNO is the D.B. Cooper case. We may now know both of the historical criminals.
Then my friend, you believe it is H.H. Holmes. A man from America who was also a serial killer who conveniantly lived in London for the time of the Ripper murders
Lechmere makes the most sense being a Butcher.
But, there was another series of similar murders that spiked along the coast around the same time just prior.
Lechmere just so happened to be in both vicinities around both sprees.
The book on this is amazing read. I'm convinced it was Lechmere.
What is the book called? :)
i like the theory that jack the ripper was a policeman, which allowed him to easily dodge police since he knew the routes they took. but mary kelly's roommate is still the most compelling to me, the timeline and possible motive lines up too well for comfort and mary kelly's body was in such a more horrific shape than the others it looks like the work of a devil not a human.
I just said something to that effect but I meant one police detective actually. I still say it's Sherlock Holmes
@@kris4571 That would be great if Sherlock Holmes wasn't a character from a book, instead of a real person.
There is a short story exactly like that.
@@kris4571wasn't he lost to ripper tho ?
@@lindablue7494Sherlock Holmes is a real person. I've been to his flat in Baker street and sat in his chair! I paid £5 admission. 😃
When I was a kid there was a serial killer in my home town. Turned out it was my middle school janitor. Your closing remarks really hit home.
Look up Kendall Francois.
That's the worst thing about monsters... as well as the best thing about saints... they are humans living among other humans.
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Holy crap! Scary
I honestly considered Aaron Konsminski the most compelling candidate for the Ripper up until your video, and I have never heard anyone propose Charles Lechmere as a suspect until now. And I must say, your reasoning is pretty convincing. Great work on that!
Also, your last thoughts on the case echo some I have from time to time when thinking about the case: we are so used to seeing the Ripper story as legend of the great Victorian unsolved case, that we tend to forget these were real people that were muredered by a real person. I cannot imagine their terror during their last moments, what their last thoughts were before the Ripper's blade took their lives, especially poor Mary Jane Kelly. It is true that the crime scene photos never leave your memory after seeing them, and to think that the body lying there was once a real girl living her life, singing when she was happy and crying when she was devastated from her life on the streets, is just bone-chilling. And to think that there was a man who did this, who was really there on those streets and in that room to tear those bodies apart, and we will never know who he was, is even more chilling.
I also favored Kosminski , though I loved the fairy tale element of the Walter Sickert- Dr Gull royal conspiracy thing. But in the last few months I've been watching videos about Lechmere- I like him too. Its the" hide in plain sight " element that I like. Also, I take exception that these women were " prostitutes " in the usual sense.. Spitalfields was a dreadful place to live. They were impoverished and unemployed women choosing between doss money or sleeping rough.
The Lechmere theory has been around a few years now. Chief proponents are Crister Holmgren and Edward Stow. Stow has his own channel The House of Lechmere.
Check it out 👍
Klominski was known to the police , who called him a " serial masturbator ". He did not have the mental capacity to carry out the crimes.
Yup, The Area. The Leather Apron. It clicks. Fuck yea
There's an amazing documentary that has all of the evidence against Charles Cross aka Lechmere laid out and it is absolutely fabulous. I think hands down he was the ripper. Everything fits and makes so much sense. If I can find it I'll try to link it or at least tell you the name and channel it's on.
I always assumed that Jack was a medical student. If I remember correctly, medical students at the time basically had to pay someone to steal a body for them in order to study human anatomy. He was dissecting people that "wouldn't be missed" to further his studies.
Once he thought he had achieved the needed level of study, he stopped. The first one, he either lost his nerve, or was interrupted and unable to carry out his plan. The last one, he did in private so he had PLENTY of time.
been watching this dude for so many years, but his wink at the end still gets to me
Same 😂 i always wink back hhhhh
I really love what you do, Sir Arran Lomas. Keep up the good work.
I went to school with Jack, he was pretty good at biology
Agreed. Investigators should ALWAYS look into the person who "found" the body. Great job!
“A woman had been murdered by Jack the Ripper”
“Now I love food!”
Thank God for Jack the ripper then. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't have taste buds.
I watched a show about the ripper not long ago and although we will never know who he was 100% this show mentioned a doctor as its main suspect which fits with how brutal the murders were and a large thing that made him a major suspect was just after the last murder there were records documenting that this doctor had boarded a ship for America and not long after the ship reached its destination a string of brutal murders happened in America but no one ever thought of the 2 cases being linked as back then it was a lot harder to find out news from around the world. I can't remember the name of the doctor but Samuel seems to come to mind but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find the information online. Again we will never 100% know who the ripper was but this doctor seems to fit with the training the ripper would of needed and his moving to America fits with the killing ending in London but starting months later in America
Hey, Mark Danity would you know the name of the show?
@@danielriccardo6674 no its just a show I caught while Channel hopping one night so I watched as it had my interest. We will never know who the ripper was but the facts they used seemed to add up
Francis Tumblety?
Jack the Ripper was many men, the deaths were used for occult rituals.
@@danielriccardo6674 it sounds like a documentary I watched called “Jack The Ripper in America“
It might be that one.
I believe the Ripper was an aristocrat, wealthy and the family found out and had him institutionalized.
Even today, murders done by complete strangers with no ties to the victim are the hardest crimes to solve.
Best channel on RUclips by far. Beautiful work as always
After watching 'I'll be gone in the dark' about the golden state killer, who turned out to be a cop and was never a suspect. I kind of wonder the same about Jack The Ripper. Cops probably never would have imagined it'd be one of their own (they never do huh? Hubris) and wouldn't have kept a lot of things confidential so the ripper may have been aware how the case was progressing.
Everyone assumes Jack was a man but could Jack had been James Maybricks wife getting revenge on a cheating husband and the women he had been with, which would also describe the disappearance of Jack, since she had no one left to kill since her husband couldn't cheat anymore after killing him, and being a woman during that time period could've helped her stay hidden since the police thought the suspect was a man because "only men are capable of such brutality".
Women not capable of brutality. Are you ever deluded. Worse than men they are.
By the way, I recently got Thoughty2's book, Stick a Flag In It and devoured it in one sitting. I love the way he writes and tells stories and I hope he does another book sometime.
I always assumed that Jack the Ripper was a doctor or at least skilled enough to remove certain parts of the body like what the autopsy of some of the victims showed.
Excellent narration and story ! Bravo !
I had the same suspicion at the start there. Seems really weird that he would be so against moving someone and then go the extra step to say ‘hey, let’s leave her alone and go find someone else to ask what they think we should do’. I’m fairly sure he would be a prime suspect in any modern case. Too bad detective/police work was still in its infancy at the time.
@Michael Zautner You're right in that a modern ex-copper recently said in a filmed interview that in the 21st century, Lechmere would've had to have been fully exonerated before investigating any further potential suspects. However, police in 1888 didn't employ this methodical way of working.
At a modern time, YOU wouldn't move the body. You just take out your cell phone and call for help. It's the work for the police/paramedic to move it.
@@elderscrollsswimmer4833 If an injured person was found in the middle of the road (rather than on the pavement), one possibly might considering moving it so as not to be trampled by horses...or run over by motor vehicles these days.
@@crose7412 id move it to the side then call the cops
But they supposedly thought she was just drunk, not injured, so it would've made sense to pick her up off the street.
The first murder reminds me a lot of the Redditch Car Park Murder, where some shoppers returning to their car came across a good samaritan nursing a woman who had been stabbed multiple times. The good samaritan (name Stuart Hopkins) was heralded as a fine young man for nursing this unfortunate lady in her final moments. He even appeared on TV. Some days later the police made an arrest after finding the knife used in the murder (purchased minutes before in the shopping centre) after it had been kicked into the gap between two of the levels of the car park. Presumably because the murderer heard people coming. The murderer turned out to be Hopkins, of course.
That was a single murder, not 5. Not a shred of evidence that Lechmere was near any of the other murder scenes and his delivery job would interfere with some timelines.
@@coxscorner his point is that the person who wasn’t suspected was the person who originally found the body/“helped” the victim, there’s a lot of murderers and serial killers who stick around and report the body to cover up the fact it was them
When he said "so utterly inconspicuous that he's already appeared in this video" and did the whole video rewind thing for a second istg my mind went "IT WAS YOU WASNT IT" 😂😂
It was Aaron Kominski. He worked in his Brother in Laws butcher shop. He disappeared from public after they got him into an institution, where he later died.
Yes it's creepy that thousands will have spent time with him and never realised it; but what is creepier is that he may have had children, and they may have had children, so in reality any one of us with English ancestry could be a relation of Jack the Ripper! And only a few generations back! It's crazy 😳
Man my grandmother on my dad's side does come from England. Because of this comment now I have to think about what if I am relates to this guy- oh lawd.
or he could've been living in Whitechapel for a couple years before starting the killings and could've been from abroad. Anyone can be related to Jack the Ripper if you think about it. Could've been your great grandparent!
I heard he was celibate
@@ariamoonfall4558 i think you'd need a bit more than a couple of years to know every in and out of whitechapel to avoid capture that easily
Everyone’s related, at some point
I love all your vids. However, of the many true crime vids I have watched, I do believe that this is the best Jack The Ripper in RUclips. Factual and macabre, insightful and smoothly put together with just the perfect amount of dark humour. Kudos, Aaron!
Ever since I found your channel quite a few months ago, I was dying (pun intended) to see you do a video on the mystery of Jack the Ripper. You do a great job of talking about these mysteries or historical events in a good amount of time. I did watch your video on Jack the Leaper a few months ago and thought, if only he did a video on Jack the Ripper. It was a real treat to see that video now, so thank you Thoughty2.
I think if Lechmere had done it, he would’ve had blood on him, or at least his hands. If he hadn’t been able to stay so clean, he would’ve been seen immediately as the killer. Also, where’s the murder weapon? I actually heard a very good case claiming that H.H. Holmes (operator of the murder castle) is actually Jack the Ripper. There’s a documentary about it.
It was dark, Lechmere would possibly have been wearing his dirty work clothes and apron and he strangled his victims before mutilating them, so the blood spray would have been minimal. It's easy to hide a knife up your sleeve or in an apron pocket etc. He likely carried a rag on him to clean up. Again, easy to put that in a pocket.
The Ripper was almost certainly a nondescript local man with intimate knowledge of the area and police beats, not a foreign outsider like HH Holmes (or Tumblety etc).
Your videos could be summarised to "the more I know the less I know". Great job as always, thanks.
I find it odd that the suspect you latched onto in the end utterly fails to answer the question in your video title, "Why did the Ripper suddenly disappear?" Lechmere was born in 1849, he married in 1870 when he was 21, he and his wife had 11 or 12 children, he was 39 when he found (or "found") Mary Ann Nichols' body, lived for another 32 years, and died in 1920 at the age of 71. Based on what little we know of him, there doesn't seem to be any reason why he'd go on a murderous rampage against prostitutes for a few months in 1888, then just stop and not be publicly tied in to any other crime that even faintly resembled the Ripper killings for the last 3 decades of his life. Also geographic profiling indicates the most convenient addresses the Ripper could've lived and worked at would've been either Flower and Dean Street or Thrawle Street, not Doveton. All 5 victims lived on either of these 2 streets or within a couple hundred yards of them. All 5 bodies were found in close proximity to these 2 streets.
I was wondering the same thing. Why, if he was it, did he stop. Wasn't answered, but entertaining nonetheless. Like all conspiracy theories are. Hey, speaking of conspiracy theories, maybe it was aliens?
It was Konsminski. He was identified by an eye-witness who came across the crime scene just after Kosnminski had killed the woman. But, the eye-witness would not testify in court for various reasons; which is why Konsminski was placed in an asylum instead.
I also struggle to believe he was discounted as a suspect for no reason after being the one at the scene. Do you know any more about the case?
@@peteg4957 A lot of police files have gone missing, so there are a lot of gaps. We do know that there was a man called John Richardson, who got investigated for just being at the place, half an hour before the murder of Annie Chapman took place under much less suspicious circumstances then when Charles Lechmere found Mary Nichols. I personally think, it is likely, that Lechmere had an alibi, and was dismissed by the police.
@@ADEpoch He's suspected of the Thames torso murders as well... Not as gruesome or brutal as the Ripper killings which continued into the 90's. After that I suspect he got old or moved away.
every video this dude makes is a banger I love him so much
The most interesting and logical of all the articles on the subject!
My favourite theory is that it was the infamous HH Holmes. His killings in America had a lull around the same time and there is a HH Holmes on a ship itinerary returning to America shortly after the killings ended. Probably not him at all but, as I say, my favourite theory.
My favorite theory too 👍
He is also high on my list, with only the question of how he knew that area of London well enough to always get away in time to avoid being caught.
He didnt kill people that way. He killed people he knew and lulled into trusting him, almost always with poison
Jack The ripper was almost certainly a nondescript local man.
Charles Lechmere is by far the best suspect.
They were meeting for a convention.
I really liked this Video and your theory on Jack the Ripper's identety. It makes a lot of sence to me. I also think that the "first" Ripper victim wasn't really the first one. I think there were others before her but they just never got connected to the other bodys. To me Jack the Ripper is such an interesting case because it shows how complex police work is and how far we have come today with our methods. A lot of cases still remain unsolved but the improvement is there. It also shows the classic problem that dead prostitudes are often over looked. They are prone to people who mean harm to others and often easy target. I also think that many of us (including me) forget, that they are people too and they need to be seen as such and not an object.
The killings stopped because the Vorlons took him... "Good luck to you in your holy cause, Captain Sheridan. May your choices have better results than mine - remembered not as a messenger. Remembered not as a reformer, not as a prophet, not as a hero, not even as Sebastian. Remembered only... as Jack."
Such an incredible episode of Babylon 5. Still gives me chills.
Nailed it! (from Season 2, Episode 21: Comes the Inquisitor)
Amazing reference from an underappreciated show.
I was just about to type something similar about the Vorlons, then scrolled down, and saw your post. Awesome post well done.
I'm glad that people still remember that show--nothing like it before or since. Brilliant.
9:50 obligatory good loyal subject disclaimer 😂
I've seen the Mary Kelley photos and , you're right, they're horrific. You really can't unsee them.
How brutal were they?
will i be scarred if i look?
We are lucky to they are in black and white, and a bit fuzzy.
Police also photographed her eyes close up, because it was believed that the last thing a person saw would be imprinted on their retina. Too bad that turned out to be false.
I would love a series of this channel covering different unsolved murders. Damn, it was satisfying to hear and watch. ♥️
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@@Rick_Cleland Right? I think i thought exactly the same as you. ^^