shane flowers just tore his bicep, so he's out for WSM. solid list, i've no huge problems with it. the wild cards for SURE will be fun to watch. there are LOTS of surprises coming and I have one particular strongman in mind who will do very well. there are many speed events here too, which favor certain athletes. ganna be a fun one to watch. wish i could be there this year!
Tiers decoded. S+ - heavy favorite to win S - the only other guy who could realistically beat Mitch A - will likely be battling for 3rd B - expect to make the final, could potentially pip the podium with luck/a great performance C - could make the final D - should be happy to be there
Yes please 🤯 you figure, if you just use finalists. That would be 10 guys per year, minus '87 (pure strength) 3 competitors. Until the present day.....that's a lot of strongmen 💯🧐😳
@@everythingstrength1485 I checked Strongman archives. Looks like 179 WSM finalists all time and something like 350 total athletes to appear in WSM (remembering that a lot of guys have gone many times and made many finals)
@@everythingstrength1485 Yeah. It could be fun if you don’t take it too seriously. Have a big tier called “never heard of them” or “not enough information” For anyone that had short or unremarkable careers. Guessing there are 75-100 guys that hardcore fans will remember/care about. Long video but tier lists are usually low-effort content.
I think Kevin getting invited is due to 1. other guys like Hatton declining his invite because it's too late 2. he's shown he can step up last min to other shows (arnold and rogue invitational) 3. He's already in the US and healthy so he'll make it in tact to the comp 4. Very solid at the World's strongest nation comp late last year. I like Kevin and he's inspiring for more normal sized people so I'm fine with him getting his last min call
Kevin, unfortunately, is there to fill numbers. These events minus the stone carry and sandbags (depending on his group) are probably the worst he could have wanted, but he trained them anyway so you never know what changes have been made to him
Gun to my head id have to say moose gets the win, tom second and then a decent gap til third for either bobby or evan singleton. Just not sure how big Mitch's gap will be. I honestly think he'll be pretty comfortable the whole time unless he has an out of character blunder
I think Eddie Williams will actually destroy in the qualifiers this year. Hes got the WR in one of the ring stone movements. Last year at WSM he almost had one of the best times in the loading race but just BARELY dropped the last bag before loading. So he should do amazingly in webster stones and steeple chase - he's decent at yoke too. He might struggle on deadlift for reps - but everything else he's great at - I reckon he'll be in contention to make it to the finals - or at least compete in the stoneoff. I don't think that's D tier caliber. But I could be wrong.
Putting Eddie Williams in D is just wrong. Bro literally will win the first event in any group, and 💯 will do good in some of the other events. It wouldn’t be shocking to see him make stone off, in which stones for reps he is really good at. Man’s underated
he's a hard one but I think when it comes specifically to WSM, he should be at S+. I still think Mitch is the likely winner especially with the amount of moving events but worlds also favors great stone lifters and Tom has won 2x and podiumed. Tom is virtually guaranteed for the final as against 99/100 strongmen he will beat them in the stone off without it gassing him for the finals like Brian v Rauno last year
@cwinz789 Even if it was more static events I would still have Hooper for the win. He beats Tom at deadlift 90 percent of the time. His overhead is right up there where he'd either beat Tom, level with him or be maybe a place behind depending on the overhead. As for squat, I'd have Hooper beating Tom all day long.
Tom is not even S-Tier, otherwise he would at least have 1 or 2 Arnold Classic titles. And he also did not beat Licis, Hall, Shaw or Hafthor at their prime.
Hooper may or may not be better than Tom, but if he is, he's not an entire tier better - it's not that long ago Tom beat him in the World Tour Finals. Given the range of abilities in other tiers - especially C tier - it doesn't make sense to separate the top two guys in the world like that. Then you can put the A tier guys up one, some of the B tiers up one (doesn't make sense to have Luke and Aivars on the same tier as Pavlo, who finished well behind them at ESM), and spread the C tier guys a bit more. Also, having just watched a Brian Shaw video where Evan struggled to lock out axel lifts that Trey was pushing up nice and smoothly, I'm not convinced you've got those guys the right way round. Fun video, though!
I've got Matt Ragg picked to do better than we've seen but to put him that high at Worlds based on static lifts is odd to me. I could see him placing higher at an Arnold's than WSM
I think Ragg can place 3rd if he performs well on moving/explosive events. I see it being a battle between him and Evan for 3rd. I have Tom winning because of events, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Mitch wins
I think the throw and stones are bankers for Tom, but Mitch will be 3rd at worst on those while Mitch might gain more points on tom on the conan's circle depending on who makes the final. Either way it's a 2 horse race baring serious mistakes
Tom Stoltman is no doubt a god amongst men if we only are talking about people with Autism or other mental disorders, but the moment we compare him to some of the all time great strongmen like Jon Pall Sigmarsson, Zydrunas Savickas, Hafthor Bjornsson, Brian Shaw or Bill Kazmaier he falls short by a lot. Fortunately Tom still is young enough to get a few more Arnold Classic and wsm wins, which could place him in the same category as the strongmen legends.
@@thomasrosendahl2783 can't compare competetions like that. Big Z beat Pudzianowski with 13 points at ASC, but Pudzianowski beat him by 20 points in WSM the same year
I know folks were upset about him not getting an invite following Arnold UK but he might've gotten a last min invite like Lukas Hatton and declined. IMO between his lat issue and not performing to his abilities this last year he wasn't at the top of my list for invites
Like John Kreese said it Karate Kid/Cobra Kai season 2: "Time to stop the ass kissing, and start the ass kicking" Tom Stoltman is over hyped for two big reasons, firstly he did not beat the big names at their peak like Hafthor, Hall, Shaw, Licis or Mateusz in the years 2016-2020, Secondly Tom have not yet even been close to winning the Arnold Classic the last 5 years. Including the Shaw Classic and Rogue invitational will not change currently.
Tom also did not beat Licis, Kieliszkowski, Hafthor or Shaw at their prime. He is kind of a paper weight champion like Bill Kazmaier jokingly called Jon Pall Sigmarsson back in the day lol
Tom was not the strongman he is now back then, he was very young and developing. Placing top 2 at WSM four years in a row I think its hard to argue he is not one of the greatest strongmen of the current era.
@@CleanfieldArvid I would agree with you Tom being one of the greatest current strongmen, if he also had at least 1 or 2 Arnold Classic title wins, Mitch have only competed for 15 months at the top level, and he now have 5 major title wins compared to Toms 2 major title wins being wsm 2021 and 2022. I consider wsm, Arnold Classic and Rogue invitational as the biggest titles, which big Loz also have stated.
@@thomasrosendahl2783 You have to add Shaw Classic to biggest comps. It is a more rounded and truer show of strength than either Rogue or Arnolds. More competitors, 8 events instead of 5 or 6.
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shane flowers just tore his bicep, so he's out for WSM. solid list, i've no huge problems with it. the wild cards for SURE will be fun to watch. there are LOTS of surprises coming and I have one particular strongman in mind who will do very well. there are many speed events here too, which favor certain athletes. ganna be a fun one to watch. wish i could be there this year!
Tiers decoded.
S+ - heavy favorite to win
S - the only other guy who could realistically beat Mitch
A - will likely be battling for 3rd
B - expect to make the final, could potentially pip the podium with luck/a great performance
C - could make the final
D - should be happy to be there
Well Said I Agree 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
You should make an all-time tier list 💪
I might do that after WSM.
Yes please 🤯 you figure, if you just use finalists. That would be 10 guys per year, minus '87 (pure strength) 3 competitors. Until the present day.....that's a lot of strongmen 💯🧐😳
@@everythingstrength1485 I checked Strongman archives. Looks like 179 WSM finalists all time and something like 350 total athletes to appear in WSM (remembering that a lot of guys have gone many times and made many finals)
@@lukebbuff sounds like a shit ton of work tbh
@@everythingstrength1485 Yeah. It could be fun if you don’t take it too seriously. Have a big tier called “never heard of them” or “not enough information” For anyone that had short or unremarkable careers. Guessing there are 75-100 guys that hardcore fans will remember/care about.
Long video but tier lists are usually low-effort content.
Luke, Pavlo & Trey all should be ranked alongside Evan & Ragg with Bobby, Bish & Aivars completing a top 10 seeds.
Usually I'd say Tom needs to be top rank but the events at WSM are made for Mitch
Yeah Mitch is S+ tier, Tom is only A-tier for not doing well at Arnold Classic for the past 4 years
I was 5th at the Arnold Ohio
Good analysis. I think Mitch will run away with it and everyone else is shooting for 2nd.
Matt can shake up the context
I think Kevin getting invited is due to 1. other guys like Hatton declining his invite because it's too late 2. he's shown he can step up last min to other shows (arnold and rogue invitational) 3. He's already in the US and healthy so he'll make it in tact to the comp 4. Very solid at the World's strongest nation comp late last year. I like Kevin and he's inspiring for more normal sized people so I'm fine with him getting his last min call
Kevin, unfortunately, is there to fill numbers. These events minus the stone carry and sandbags (depending on his group) are probably the worst he could have wanted, but he trained them anyway so you never know what changes have been made to him
Love this concept!!!
S Tier = [Thor], Tom, Mitch, [Oleksii], [Mateusz], [Martins] - so it's a shame that we're pretty much guaranteed a two horse race
Gun to my head id have to say moose gets the win, tom second and then a decent gap til third for either bobby or evan singleton. Just not sure how big Mitch's gap will be. I honestly think he'll be pretty comfortable the whole time unless he has an out of character blunder
I think Eddie Williams will actually destroy in the qualifiers this year. Hes got the WR in one of the ring stone movements. Last year at WSM he almost had one of the best times in the loading race but just BARELY dropped the last bag before loading.
So he should do amazingly in webster stones and steeple chase - he's decent at yoke too. He might struggle on deadlift for reps - but everything else he's great at - I reckon he'll be in contention to make it to the finals - or at least compete in the stoneoff. I don't think that's D tier caliber. But I could be wrong.
I think Eddie is a decent strongman but we haven't seen him really perform at World's. Maybe he'll prove he's worthy of the invite this year
Putting Eddie Williams in D is just wrong. Bro literally will win the first event in any group, and 💯 will do good in some of the other events. It wouldn’t be shocking to see him make stone off, in which stones for reps he is really good at. Man’s underated
Not sure Stoltman is S tier, he can vary a lot but he could definitely be S+.
he's a hard one but I think when it comes specifically to WSM, he should be at S+. I still think Mitch is the likely winner especially with the amount of moving events but worlds also favors great stone lifters and Tom has won 2x and podiumed. Tom is virtually guaranteed for the final as against 99/100 strongmen he will beat them in the stone off without it gassing him for the finals like Brian v Rauno last year
I think if Tom was put into S+ we'd need S++ for Hooper. Atm he's just on another level between his physical and mental abilities
@cwinz789 Even if it was more static events I would still have Hooper for the win. He beats Tom at deadlift 90 percent of the time. His overhead is right up there where he'd either beat Tom, level with him or be maybe a place behind depending on the overhead. As for squat, I'd have Hooper beating Tom all day long.
Tom is not even S-Tier, otherwise he would at least have 1 or 2 Arnold Classic titles. And he also did not beat Licis, Hall, Shaw or Hafthor at their prime.
Tom is definitely better than Hall and it's not his fault he didn't beat them at their prime. @@thomasrosendahl2783
Hooper may or may not be better than Tom, but if he is, he's not an entire tier better - it's not that long ago Tom beat him in the World Tour Finals. Given the range of abilities in other tiers - especially C tier - it doesn't make sense to separate the top two guys in the world like that. Then you can put the A tier guys up one, some of the B tiers up one (doesn't make sense to have Luke and Aivars on the same tier as Pavlo, who finished well behind them at ESM), and spread the C tier guys a bit more.
Also, having just watched a Brian Shaw video where Evan struggled to lock out axel lifts that Trey was pushing up nice and smoothly, I'm not convinced you've got those guys the right way round. Fun video, though!
World tour finals is just an international show. Mitch beat Tom in every single major competition last year.
Another great video mate
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Singleton for podium 🦖🦖🦖
I think he's got a genuine chance this year, especially with Trey not being 100%.
Ragg vs singleton for podium
@Gndlf_TheOrange and also Events really suit Evan in final. The medley will have a frame which will absolutely hamper him
This was a great video
I've got Matt Ragg picked to do better than we've seen but to put him that high at Worlds based on static lifts is odd to me. I could see him placing higher at an Arnold's than WSM
Matt is great at moving events. He won the conan's wheel at the world tour finals last year against Tom, Mitch, and Pavlo
He beat Mitch and Pavlo at Conan' he's just that good
I think Ragg can place 3rd if he performs well on moving/explosive events. I see it being a battle between him and Evan for 3rd. I have Tom winning because of events, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Mitch wins
I think the throw and stones are bankers for Tom, but Mitch will be 3rd at worst on those while Mitch might gain more points on tom on the conan's circle depending on who makes the final. Either way it's a 2 horse race baring serious mistakes
Tom Stoltman is no doubt a god amongst men if we only are talking about people with Autism or other mental disorders, but the moment we compare him to some of the all time great strongmen like Jon Pall Sigmarsson, Zydrunas Savickas, Hafthor Bjornsson, Brian Shaw or Bill Kazmaier he falls short by a lot. Fortunately Tom still is young enough to get a few more Arnold Classic and wsm wins, which could place him in the same category as the strongmen legends.
Good to see you with a facecam , what country are you from?
Slovakia🇸🇰🇸🇰🇸🇰
@@thestrongmanhistorian are there any upcoming Slovakian strongmen atm?
Some u105s but no open guys that could make an impact on the european scene.
Imo if you're talking general strongman I agree tom is S but at wsm imo he's S+
Pretty fair assessment
Tom is going to win.
With the Conan's Circle Mitch could secure the victory even before the last event. (I'm a huge Tom Stoltman fan but I have to see it for what it is)
After he lost to Mitch by more than 10 points this year Arnold Classic? Hahaha, you must be kidding
@@thomasrosendahl2783i mean Tom isn't very good at Arnold's, Thor in 2011-16 struggled a lot at Arnold's but was always at the podium at WSM
@@thomasrosendahl2783 can't compare competetions like that. Big Z beat Pudzianowski with 13 points at ASC, but Pudzianowski beat him by 20 points in WSM the same year
What about Max? Did he pull out or not get invited?
Wasn't invited
I know folks were upset about him not getting an invite following Arnold UK but he might've gotten a last min invite like Lukas Hatton and declined. IMO between his lat issue and not performing to his abilities this last year he wasn't at the top of my list for invites
Like John Kreese said it Karate Kid/Cobra Kai season 2: "Time to stop the ass kissing, and start the ass kicking" Tom Stoltman is over hyped for two big reasons, firstly he did not beat the big names at their peak like Hafthor, Hall, Shaw, Licis or Mateusz in the years 2016-2020, Secondly Tom have not yet even been close to winning the Arnold Classic the last 5 years. Including the Shaw Classic and Rogue invitational will not change currently.
Flowers D tier
Man Wsm sucks
Im cool with stone off lift it over the bar more than the other guy it's simple
Is everyone c teer
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Tom also did not beat Licis, Kieliszkowski, Hafthor or Shaw at their prime. He is kind of a paper weight champion like Bill Kazmaier jokingly called Jon Pall Sigmarsson back in the day lol
Tom was not the strongman he is now back then, he was very young and developing. Placing top 2 at WSM four years in a row I think its hard to argue he is not one of the greatest strongmen of the current era.
@@CleanfieldArvid I would agree with you Tom being one of the greatest current strongmen, if he also had at least 1 or 2 Arnold Classic title wins, Mitch have only competed for 15 months at the top level, and he now have 5 major title wins compared to Toms 2 major title wins being wsm 2021 and 2022. I consider wsm, Arnold Classic and Rogue invitational as the biggest titles, which big Loz also have stated.
@@thomasrosendahl2783 You have to add Shaw Classic to biggest comps. It is a more rounded and truer show of strength than either Rogue or Arnolds. More competitors, 8 events instead of 5 or 6.