@@Nokpest11 no better place to practice a new character than at an S tier tourney, that was his intention. I'm sure he knew his chances on winning Glitch 7 would be much lower with Banjo
I guess we know one thing about banjo's MU chart for sure, yet another character who loses to the rodents. tjolts destroying banjo's projectiles and pika comboing him easy really shows here.
i'd like to see a grounded banjo use all wonderwings every stock and abuse it as a banjo main should and see if the MU will be any different. wonderwing is so good for catching landings, but admittedly quick attack lets esam recover for free sometimes. tweek's back throw into wonderwing off stage almost clipped pikachu at 58% at one point
You're probably right, but I wouldn't base that conclusion on one match involving a week-old Banjo as a secondary versus the best Pikachu in the world.
All I know is Banjo makes the game a lot more fun. Never played his games but he still gives me old school game vibes. That's also the reason I want Crash Or Spyro. It would make it the ultimate smash game forever in MY opinion.
OUCH in that final game, last hit last stock for Tweek, he had his second jump still but panic directional airdodged and lost the recovery. Banjo is too new for players to remember that second jump on recovery, especially since its weird he even has one, from character design.
I like tweek going for banjo because if he can make banjo his equivalent to mkleo’s joker then he can climb the ladder on the back of character that people barely understand.
HopperDragon I agree. He did fine with other characters so I don’t get why people think he relies on one character. I mean I thought it was called a main anyway but what do I know.
@@jasonlobo2350 Then take a move like that in Ultimate's meta Neutral is safe move spam, and over committing & bad habits are 90% shifted out with adaptation and game sense
Is it just me or does Banjo's moveset seem like Wario with grenades? That would explain why Tweek seems so comfortable on it (in addition to the fact that I'm sure he's put in hundreds of hours already)
I'm not sure about him being like Wario, but he definitely has faster versions of several of Ridley's moves: Backair is a faster Ridley Forward Air, Down air is the same as Ridley's, his forward tilt is the same as Ridley's, his jab spam w/kazooie coming out of the back is the same as Ridley's, etc.
@@yaners Just passing thought bro. You probably right but I wouldn't know cause I don't play Ridley lol. I heard the commentator say it's similar to Mario but I don't see it.
Esam has an uneasy energy about him. I imagine meeting tweek would be like “hey cool dude nice to meet you” and meeting esam would be like a *he’s already standing way too close* “WANT A PICTURE WITH ME?!”
Might be a dumb question, but are those red arrows that show where Pikachu is about to move in the base game, or added for tournaments? What's the point of telling your opponent which way you're about to move?
It's in the base game, and is more or less there for clarity. You know exactly where you're going to land, with the trade off being your opponent does as well.
Banjo is like one of the 5 characters in this game who's unable to do decent damage from a conversion so 30% for him is like a hard read or an easy to airdodge combo.
Kinda sad how nobody's giving Tweek any credit at all here and hardcore just Esam simping, sure Esam's a good player and put in a good game, but Tweek put up a helluva fight, especially with a character he's not extremely experienced with.
19:09 Commentator 1:"What cant of bird can't fly? Its a damn shame." Commentator 3:(Smacks lips )"Yeap." Commentator 2: "Wells hes got a whole bear attached to him. Its a lot of weight." ...... Also I wrote this from my phone.
I kinda like Banjo, he exerts a lot of pressure with Neutral B and Down B, causing mixups both on stage and off stage because of their long range, neutral B is low risk because you can just cancel it by snapping onto the ledge, and Down B is his 2nd best move outside of Side B. Also his recovery is better than I thought, though it can be gimped, it has a lot of mixups. High Tier for me right now.
Tbh not that bad in disadvantage he gets 5 get out of jail free cards with side b to come back to stage, 3 jumps to mix up your landing and bomb lifts you up a bit when you use it plus you can b-reverse it. I guess what you meant is that he gets comboed super hard because of his weight but thats about it. Tweek has been practically using banjo this whole tournament and got to winners semis, thats something to say when the character hasn't been out for a month
He can get choked up at ledge because of his air speed, and although wonderwing gets him out it has tons of endlag. But yea, I agree that he has potential
@@mrmwm5446 sameee Im trying to learn the ways of banjo and Ive started to use the neutral b much more and its a very good tool to just throw out here and there while jumping, its low risk and has a ton of knock back plus it deals 6.something dmg which is good dmg and it bounces so it covers good ground and can trump recoveries. I feel like it gets overshadowed by down b which is amazing
Oops I was responding to you on another comment about how neutral b is underrated got the comments mixed up i guess. Edit: i guess you edited that part out lol I agree however
More nairs woulda made this an easier win for Tweek. Crazy how the character hadn’t been out that long and he was at this level of play already though!
I have been waiting. With total assurance of what was to come. Knowing, one day... Tweek was going to main Banjo. The DLC is in good hands now... May he advance his model of superior smashing with a character able to contest the rest of the OP characters.
He didn't use the disrespect pika taunt tho, so it wasn't so bad. Seemed more consoling, "been there" type of taunt rather than lol suck it type of taunt
Why do pro players pick characters for fun in a S tier tournament? Why not do your best with your best ? I just don't understand but then the commentators will give him props for trying? Did he really try? Whatever lol
@@nunasmr7244 there isn't a correct way to play them yet, they're brand new. Tweek was confident enough in the character to play them in tournament and he was doing well all things considered. Give it time, his B&K look promising
Man, that was painful to watch. Esam and Pilachu are almost like MKLeo and Joker. Was really rooting for Tweek. Would've been hella different had he use Pokemon Trainer, but we all know how boring it is to use the same character, unless you're watching MKLeo use Joker because that kid is inhuman and it's a spectacle watching that display
Remember when people used to feel that way with Tweek and his Wario, I miss those days he hasn’t been as good since imo or even interesting to watch too
Seriously Banjo can't kill. He can't rely on ww all the time, pika will heavily punish him. What's surprising is that tweek is fantastic at landing. Esam knew he has poor landing, so he doesn't chase him as high as he usually do, yet tweek used upb to mix him up twice. It's pretty great.
Of course can he kill, he can kill with throws, he can kill with fair, he can kill with ww, he can kill with eggs at the ledge, he can kill with smashs. So what are you talking about?
@@Teaker7 I think what he means is that Banjo doesn’t have many reliable and safe kill set-ups. With most characters like that in Smash we tend to say “-blank- can’t kill.” It doesn’t mean that they don’t have strong kill moves, it just means that those moves can be easily avoided, or cause the player to take some unwanted risks. WW is Banjo’s strongest moves. It can take stocks mad early. It also has humongous risk, and a longer start up than any of his other moves. lol So it’s great online when people can’t react, but in person with good players it’s a different story. If they’re all up in your Kool-Aid like Pikachu with fast attacks, you will get knocked out of it during the 16+ frames of start up where you are vulnerable. If the opponent is camping (like Pikachu with T-Jolt), then it will get slowed down by the projectiles, and the opponent has time to react with shield (which leads to a big punish), or to just jump away. An example of this is…basically the entire set. lol WW only actually connected a few times. All of Banjo’s kill options either have a similar weakness (they are situational, and thus the opponent will constantly try to avoid the situation), or they just require a straight up read, and high risk (like a smash attack in neutral). The combination of these factors means that Banjo “can’t kill.” Banjo’s still a good char in my opinion, but he does struggle to find kills against opponents who are aware of his game plan. And the game plan is often rather simple.
@@mjskillz23 yeah, he has as many kill moves as Ganon. And how useful is that in high level play? The only ones that matters is dthrow set ups, and ww on tech chase. The rest are all read options. His ledgetrap is fantastic, but his non-fair have poor knockback, he will struggle to put enemies off stage. Tweek need to get the opponent to 140 constantly in order to kill. Just look his match with Dark wizzy, 3 kills based on reads, 6 stocks needs to be 140+, and 1 ledge trap. And this is mario, a character who has a poor recovery compared to top/high tiers. Edit: and sure, he has f16 upsmash oos. How often tweek landed it? Everyone knows it's his best move, and that's why he only managedn to connect it on characters like Pika, because it's the only characters who can't space on landings.
"He's fine, he's Pikachu"
Titan Levi the funniest thing ever
I was going to comment the same thing xd
@Raichu is Suprised at What You Have Done Great name
Titan Levi read this right as he said it
That's when you know a character has so many tools.
I don’t see any comments mentioning how smooth the stream transition is
its 2019 we expect smooth dammit!
@@xXgoldfistXx Thats like saying "Esam mains Pikachu we expect it to be good"
Of course, but its still hype and impressive
I wouldnt mind these three guys commentating on every game.
So long a Comona takes an indefinite hike, I'd be content... Seriously
@@lucabaar1 If Comona is Coney, I agree
I would
I’m still letting this match sit in. Not esam vs tweek but pikachu vs banjo on final destination...
I know right, it's still crazy that Banjo's in
Puff'n Stuff not really it seemed really expected
@@Erik_Montesinos not expected, wanted. People have been wanting banjo in for a while so its unexpected because each year we didnt get him
Erik M. Bruh
Mr.PourTheMilkFirst I meant because there were already many leaks prior to the direct. So it’s not like it came out of the blue
Dude, Props to Tweek for taking ESAM to some last hit situations in tournament with a character that just came out. Just comes to show godlike he is!!
if he'd won..like this, it was just a stupid decision (imho)
@@Nokpest11 I would have laughed if Tweek won XD
@@Nokpest11 If he didn't kill himself game 3 who knows.
@@Nokpest11 no better place to practice a new character than at an S tier tourney, that was his intention. I'm sure he knew his chances on winning Glitch 7 would be much lower with Banjo
@@n8george A tier
12:44 That parry was brilliant. Instead of getting hit at 94% ESAM got a 45% combo.
Indeed, them nair loops be deadly.
I guess we know one thing about banjo's MU chart for sure, yet another character who loses to the rodents. tjolts destroying banjo's projectiles and pika comboing him easy really shows here.
i'd like to see a grounded banjo use all wonderwings every stock and abuse it as a banjo main should and see if the MU will be any different. wonderwing is so good for catching landings, but admittedly quick attack lets esam recover for free sometimes. tweek's back throw into wonderwing off stage almost clipped pikachu at 58% at one point
I feel like Tweek should've used the Breegull Blaster for this MU, that more or less neutralizes the jolts and forces Pikachu to approach.
You're probably right, but I wouldn't base that conclusion on one match involving a week-old Banjo as a secondary versus the best Pikachu in the world.
Tweek did not play Banjo optimally for this matchup.
Yeah maybe if tweek played more grounded then things would've ended differently, he was too strapped to his air game
Bro are we not gonna talk about the national treasure EE himself??? Like that 'cheeks vegetarian' bit had me crying ROFL.
It wasnt funny doe
I always love watching ESAMS pikachu. I never expected anyone to use pockachus recovery the way he does. Definitely intriguing.
13:23 why was the dash grab not working?
probably because of pika being low profile and the slope making it even worse
0703 Sider because smash ultimate made grabs be complete trash even in front of characters
Lylat
Its hard to spot, but it whiffed because of pikachus animation. Pikachu did a little flip or something that's how he was technically able to dodge it.
Because ultimate is a game 😒
I respect Tweek kept using banjo&kazooie at this match and hope he will be the best banjo&kazooie player in the near future.
Already dropped
@@etoile7174 wait, really lol?
How
I’m expecting raito to be the best..
Tyler Wilson yeah he’s picking up snake now I think iirc
10+ years of experience vs 10+ days of experience
Gerardo Ortega that's exactly what I was thinking.
@@biffyguybiffy6292 no Johns here just straight facts
Gerardo Ortega, so you’re just saying wizzy sucks?
10+ years of mu experience vs 10+ days of mu experience
EmptyHand49, Esam has ten years of experience against banjo? That’s crazy! He must get the early access codes cause he’s buddy buddy with Nintendo.
All I know is Banjo makes the game a lot more fun. Never played his games but he still gives me old school game vibes. That's also the reason I want Crash Or Spyro. It would make it the ultimate smash game forever in MY opinion.
Lucifer Morningstar hell yeah Spyro!
4:27 risky commentary initiated... risky commentary failed. ):
8:10 Coney coming in hot with the immaculate commentator's blessing!
8:18 "Keep in mind he has to do it from center stage~ *just like that!"*
Leo is probably at home watching this being disappointed in Tweek and Samsora.
Nah he’s probably hyped for ESAM
@@jacobm7870 Leo kept Esam out of Top 8 last time.
OUCH in that final game, last hit last stock for Tweek, he had his second jump still but panic directional airdodged and lost the recovery. Banjo is too new for players to remember that second jump on recovery, especially since its weird he even has one, from character design.
These kings omg... how is it even possible to have this execution under this much pressure.
EE's question @ 4:25 had me dead
Tweek knew he might lose but he had to go banjo, respectable
His banjo actually saved him against dark wizzy. He saw pokemon trainer wasnt cutting it and realized he was having more success with banjo
i think he is just trying to grind banjo in tourny so he can use him in a super major or something
@@jc-pi9lf I mean, Glitch 7 is a super major
John
@@biffyguybiffy6292 I didn't mean it in a "He would've won if he did ___" more of a he wanted to thing. I have no bias toward either of these players
@4:27 It's these moments why I love EE
This was ESAMs tournament for sure he dominated
@@aylix2137 Chief it was 3-1 and a two stock. There wasnt anything "nearly"
@@XLR_Valentine ....I literally just said the score of 3-1. Stop troll
@@XLR_Valentine its the player not the character
I like tweek going for banjo because if he can make banjo his equivalent to mkleo’s joker then he can climb the ladder on the back of character that people barely understand.
And once the character is learned, they drop em.
@@Effyew2 ...yeah sure. Cause Leo will just...drop Joker.
Top tier banjo sounds like the new bane of existence
Implying that leo relies on an unknown matchup at all is a really bad take
HopperDragon I agree. He did fine with other characters so I don’t get why people think he relies on one character. I mean I thought it was called a main anyway but what do I know.
The commentators are absolute gold.
Holy shit Esam was on fire this entire tournament.
tweek vs zachray for better banjo?
The series of events at 13:22 had me on the edge of my seat!
It really bugs me that Tweek like never uses any of his wonderwings.
Epoch Divergence unsafe against someone who labs as hard as esam I guess
With moves like that, the skill factor is usually knowing when not to use them. Though I can't say for sure whether that was the case here
They are really bad competitively
Best move for banjo perfect for whiff punishing and over commiting
@@jasonlobo2350 Then take a move like that in Ultimate's meta
Neutral is safe move spam, and over committing & bad habits are 90% shifted out with adaptation and game sense
13:24 Why we should ban Lylat.
At 1:40 I can't believe pikachus up smash killed a middle weight at 108. That's ridiculous
It's so fast too. It looks like a lot of character's up tilts.
Heavyweight I think
Tweek might’ve DI’d late due to how quick and unexpected it was
He was also at the edge of the hitbox
someone teach tweek how to side b
esam would probably get 60 off of tweek missing a side b
Is it just me or does Banjo's moveset seem like Wario with grenades? That would explain why Tweek seems so comfortable on it (in addition to the fact that I'm sure he's put in hundreds of hours already)
I'm not really seeing it tbh
@@MangaBear Just my thoughts. His size, sibe b, up b, and some of his other moves look similar. Main thing is no Waft
wtf
I'm not sure about him being like Wario, but he definitely has faster versions of several of Ridley's moves: Backair is a faster Ridley Forward Air, Down air is the same as Ridley's, his forward tilt is the same as Ridley's, his jab spam w/kazooie coming out of the back is the same as Ridley's, etc.
@@yaners Just passing thought bro. You probably right but I wouldn't know cause I don't play Ridley lol. I heard the commentator say it's similar to Mario but I don't see it.
Esam has an uneasy energy about him. I imagine meeting tweek would be like “hey cool dude nice to meet you” and meeting esam would be like a *he’s already standing way too close* “WANT A PICTURE WITH ME?!”
MeatyPunk 100 percent agree
Im not sure the names of these commentators but IMO they provide some of the best smash commentary
8:16 *UMVC3 Taskmaster voice* JUST LIKE CAP!
Might be a dumb question, but are those red arrows that show where Pikachu is about to move in the base game, or added for tournaments? What's the point of telling your opponent which way you're about to move?
It's in the base game, and is more or less there for clarity. You know exactly where you're going to land, with the trade off being your opponent does as well.
The arrows are Pikachu quick attack angles.
Exactly how many times can you say Banjo is in a hopeless scenario while behind only like 30%?
Banjo is like one of the 5 characters in this game who's unable to do decent damage from a conversion so 30% for him is like a hard read or an easy to airdodge combo.
Game 3 last stock had me holding my breath longer than I should have lol
Is there a winning pot?
"you're an esports commentator you gotta make up stuff to talk about" That's legitimately hilarious. First person I've seen point that out
ESAM most of the time seems unstoppable when he's playing as Pikachu.
Game 3 he really shouldve used up smash oos to punish that pika dash attack
yea
I think Tweek had some missed opportunity with the golden wings
FDestroy3r wonder wing
@@matthewrich3173 theyre called golden feathers ingame though
I like the commentators confidence in esams ability to recover
Kinda sad how nobody's giving Tweek any credit at all here and hardcore just Esam simping, sure Esam's a good player and put in a good game, but Tweek put up a helluva fight, especially with a character he's not extremely experienced with.
I wonder if Wonderwing could've helped dealing with Pikachu's T-Jolts. Maybe it would've made Esam respect Banjo's neutral more?
Esam would have an easy punish nair loop lol.
@@biffyguybiffy6292 I guess. It depends on whether on not Esam would expect it.
Master Owen, doesn’t matter if he expects it, he has Insane reaction time.
If he misses, even if esam doesn't punish him, he'll lose stage control. Not a good idea against a character that loves you to be offstage.
Honestly I think Banjo & Kazooie is more like a mix of Ganon and Bowser Jr.
Jr and snake more like
How the fuck is it ganon?
What's the Ganon link? Poor air speed?
Mini-doriyah and fair, mostly.
Nah, he's Duck Hunt and Snake, with a dash of Ivysaur thrown in.
he shoulda used the egg shooter instead of the grenade
3:16
Banjo: hi pikachu fron pokemon
Pikachu: hi banjo from banjo kazooie
Pun
how the fuck did that side B not hit at the end
19:09
Commentator 1:"What cant of bird can't fly? Its a damn shame."
Commentator 3:(Smacks lips )"Yeap."
Commentator 2: "Wells hes got a whole bear attached to him. Its a lot of weight."
......
Also I wrote this from my phone.
He played Banjo so well though. Like the first match he saw it was a bad matchup and then completely readjusted his playstyle.
Tweek’s Banjo needs work. But knowing him he’ll be playing somebody completely different next time
Baron Starrk ha
A very cheeky fight.
The year of the Pika
I heard him say f yes 13:44
This is the first time I've enjoyed Banjo pro play.
Literally Nobody: I never use Wonderwing as Banjo
Tweek:
Tweek seems to struggle with up-smashing out of shield to win games
Here this gem 11:19 ESAM reaction 😭😭
my wrestling m8 went to school with Tweek
13:40 biggest FCK YES moment!!! Love u ESAM ❤️pikachu for life
Are you gay ?
Oscar, casual homophobia. Cool.
Edit: 😂 no homo
@@biffyguybiffy6292 He means gay as in happy you judgmental fuck
A great match!
i feel like the game robbed tweek a couple times, with that grab missing, and that side B missing at the end
I kinda like Banjo, he exerts a lot of pressure with Neutral B and Down B, causing mixups both on stage and off stage because of their long range, neutral B is low risk because you can just cancel it by snapping onto the ledge, and Down B is his 2nd best move outside of Side B. Also his recovery is better than I thought, though it can be gimped, it has a lot of mixups. High Tier for me right now.
Banjo kinda garbo in disadvantage, but I think F-smash is safer than people think
Tbh not that bad in disadvantage he gets 5 get out of jail free cards with side b to come back to stage, 3 jumps to mix up your landing and bomb lifts you up a bit when you use it plus you can b-reverse it. I guess what you meant is that he gets comboed super hard because of his weight but thats about it. Tweek has been practically using banjo this whole tournament and got to winners semis, thats something to say when the character hasn't been out for a month
He can get choked up at ledge because of his air speed, and although wonderwing gets him out it has tons of endlag. But yea, I agree that he has potential
@@mrmwm5446 sameee Im trying to learn the ways of banjo and Ive started to use the neutral b much more and its a very good tool to just throw out here and there while jumping, its low risk and has a ton of knock back plus it deals 6.something dmg which is good dmg and it bounces so it covers good ground and can trump recoveries. I feel like it gets overshadowed by down b which is amazing
Oops I was responding to you on another comment about how neutral b is underrated got the comments mixed up i guess. Edit: i guess you edited that part out lol I agree however
Why are they only playing light characters
Because they are the good characters.
Banjo isn't light. He's definitely above-average weight.
Banjo weighs the same as R.O.B
Man, I wish I had those skills.
why Tweek
Lol @ Esam’s face 11:18
Anyway here's wonderwing
More nairs woulda made this an easier win for Tweek. Crazy how the character hadn’t been out that long and he was at this level of play already though!
I think Tweek only used his side B once during this entire match
It felt like Tweek was playing hindered
4:24 EE is a clown LMFAOOOO 😂
What was he saying?
Konstantinos M. he said tweek is a vegetarian now. and asked if everything is off the table now. he was likely referring to vagina
*"Don't even get me started on Minus8...❤💜💛💙💚"*
I hate myself for knowing who that is
Wait when was that in the set?
1:15 "hes pikachu hes fine."
Fix ur comment
@@Crxwess just because it's broken doesnt mean it needs to be fixed, sometimes you leave it there as an example for the next
This set felt like they were playing a bullet hell not a smash game.
Love these commentators
Espam
I have been waiting.
With total assurance of what was to come.
Knowing, one day...
Tweek was going to main Banjo.
The DLC is in good hands now...
May he advance his model of superior smashing with a character able to contest the rest of the OP characters.
Tweak should be spamming nair. That shit trades favorably with pretty much all pika moves.
Tweek should have gone for the PT
ESAM has such a weird playstyle. Literally only Pikachu would work for him lol.
So does ice climbers and palutena
i think hes got a weird playstyle *because* he plays pikachu
tweek couldve won if he used pokemon trainer
Varun Saravanan he needs tourny experience to up his banjo game. he will win again
John
idk about that, esam played so well this tournament
Se rifó el banjo, pudo haber ganado pero perdió.
I like how Esam taunts after Tweek SDs on Lylat; I used to think so highly of Esam too. Oh well, GGs to Tweek! I wanna see more BanjoKazooie!!
He didn't use the disrespect pika taunt tho, so it wasn't so bad. Seemed more consoling, "been there" type of taunt rather than lol suck it type of taunt
Why do pro players pick characters for fun in a S tier tournament? Why not do your best with your best ? I just don't understand but then the commentators will give him props for trying? Did he really try? Whatever lol
What was tweek even doing- his play was so sloppy
The character is a week old.
Rooster Boots That doesn’t matter- he’s the second best in the world. Either don’t pick up the character or learn to play them correctly-
@@nunasmr7244 there isn't a correct way to play them yet, they're brand new. Tweek was confident enough in the character to play them in tournament and he was doing well all things considered. Give it time, his B&K look promising
@@nunasmr7244 Or let the guy play however he wants? Didn't know he had to please you when playing.
Kiwa ok quirkstar I literally didn’t say that but go off 😳😳😳
@13:45: "FUCK YES" haha
Tweak l9oks like an angry wizard
I love Banjo Kazooie...
Hallo
Good Job Pikachu
バンカズ......極めれば強くなるんだろうか(´･ω･`)
he will. remember leo losing early in japan when joker first came out? now look at him. tweek just needs to keep going.
Is it just me or should coney just not commentate
EE talkin about food lol
Um... not really
Man, that was painful to watch. Esam and Pilachu are almost like MKLeo and Joker. Was really rooting for Tweek. Would've been hella different had he use Pokemon Trainer, but we all know how boring it is to use the same character, unless you're watching MKLeo use Joker because that kid is inhuman and it's a spectacle watching that display
Remember when people used to feel that way with Tweek and his Wario, I miss those days he hasn’t been as good since imo or even interesting to watch too
Seriously Banjo can't kill. He can't rely on ww all the time, pika will heavily punish him.
What's surprising is that tweek is fantastic at landing. Esam knew he has poor landing, so he doesn't chase him as high as he usually do, yet tweek used upb to mix him up twice. It's pretty great.
Of course can he kill, he can kill with throws, he can kill with fair, he can kill with ww, he can kill with eggs at the ledge, he can kill with smashs. So what are you talking about?
@@Teaker7 I think what he means is that Banjo doesn’t have many reliable and safe kill set-ups. With most characters like that in Smash we tend to say “-blank- can’t kill.” It doesn’t mean that they don’t have strong kill moves, it just means that those moves can be easily avoided, or cause the player to take some unwanted risks.
WW is Banjo’s strongest moves. It can take stocks mad early. It also has humongous risk, and a longer start up than any of his other moves. lol So it’s great online when people can’t react, but in person with good players it’s a different story. If they’re all up in your Kool-Aid like Pikachu with fast attacks, you will get knocked out of it during the 16+ frames of start up where you are vulnerable. If the opponent is camping (like Pikachu with T-Jolt), then it will get slowed down by the projectiles, and the opponent has time to react with shield (which leads to a big punish), or to just jump away. An example of this is…basically the entire set. lol WW only actually connected a few times.
All of Banjo’s kill options either have a similar weakness (they are situational, and thus the opponent will constantly try to avoid the situation), or they just require a straight up read, and high risk (like a smash attack in neutral).
The combination of these factors means that Banjo “can’t kill.”
Banjo’s still a good char in my opinion, but he does struggle to find kills against opponents who are aware of his game plan. And the game plan is often rather simple.
@@mjskillz23 yeah, he has as many kill moves as Ganon. And how useful is that in high level play?
The only ones that matters is dthrow set ups, and ww on tech chase. The rest are all read options. His ledgetrap is fantastic, but his non-fair have poor knockback, he will struggle to put enemies off stage. Tweek need to get the opponent to 140 constantly in order to kill. Just look his match with Dark wizzy, 3 kills based on reads, 6 stocks needs to be 140+, and 1 ledge trap. And this is mario, a character who has a poor recovery compared to top/high tiers.
Edit: and sure, he has f16 upsmash oos. How often tweek landed it? Everyone knows it's his best move, and that's why he only managedn to connect it on characters like Pika, because it's the only characters who can't space on landings.
Esam is pretty good