Thank you for this short but informative video. Im not convinced of it but hav even looking into and am open to conditional mortality and the annihilation view. I’ve enjoyed your Chanel too! If you see this please share what you think is the stronger scriptural evidence for and against annihilation. I’ve looked into it quite a bit and have watched various videos and read articles on it but I’d love to hear more of both sides!
G'day Kaitlyn :) We recently did a long form conversation with Chris Date (Annihilationist) and Jerry Walls (Traditionalist) on our channel. Feel free to have a listen ruclips.net/video/3ZQr-P35LK0/видео.html
Thanks for agreeing it’s not about being a good person. Having good thoughts 100% of the time is impossible. Perfection is an oxymoron because we all have different ideas of what is perfect.
Freewill is an illusion. Every model of science tells us so. Also, your god is either one of 2 things, a monster or an ignorant monster. You say he gave beings freewill. If he was a truly omniscient and omnipotent then he would know, that by giving being free will, it would mean that some of them would go to Hell. He set it up that way, instead of just gifting omniscience to everyone equally. So, since we know you can have no cause without effect, and all things are impermanent, what will happen when you and your god are in hell for sending beings there, and you for thinking he’s just for doing so?
Thanks for engaging, but your comment is full of assumptions / problems. (1) Omniscience is an incommunicable attribute. God cannot logically create finite creatures with infinite knowledge. (3) God having foreknowledge of human sin does not remove the reasoning for Him bestowing it on humanity. Granted, now you need to explain why God would allow humans to sin, but that has been answered by appeals to a dozen or so theodicies. (3) As for free will, scientific accounts (assuming naturalism) are by nature limited. Agent causation is an entirely plausible proposal to ground free will. Hope this clears up a few things.
@@qcsocials There's no problem with my statement. We have a free will to make our own choices. Therefore, we can't blame God for making bad choices. Crystal clear to me. Much of your retort is psychobabble nonsense dude.
THE DEAD ARE JUDGED 2 Timothy 4:1 I solemnly exhort you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the DEAD, and by His appearing and His kingdom: 1 Peter 4:5 but they will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the DEAD. 6 For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are DEAD, that though they are judged in the flesh as people, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God. Acts 10:42 And He ordered us to preach to the people, and to testify solemnly that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the DEAD. Revelation 11 18 And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the DEAD to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who are destroying the earth.” Revelation 20 12 And I saw the DEAD, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the DEAD were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the DEAD who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the DEAD who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. DEAD PEOPLE ARE SENT TO LIFE BUT NOT SENT TO BE KILLED AT FINAL JUDGMENT. Daniel 12 2 “””And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some TO eternal life, and some TO shame and eternal contempt. - Some awake and must still go TO eternal life because they are still dead. - Others awake and are not killed because they are already dead and must go to shame and contempt. Matt 25:46 “””These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous INTO eternal life.””” - Sheep must still go INTO eternal life because they are still dead. - Goats are not killed because they are already dead and must go into eternal punishment. John 5 29 “””And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection OF life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection OF judgment.””” Those who are judged are dead people that’s why it says they “come forth UNTO a resurrection” They are dead which is why they go to a resurrection of life By contrast the others who go TO a resurrection of Judgment are not said to be put to death because they are already dead. Revelation 20 12 “””And I saw the DEAD, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the BOOK OF LIFE; and the DEAD were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the DEAD who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the DEAD who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE , he was thrown into the lake of fire.””” - They are dead People who are in the book of life still die so we know The book of life is not about staying alive but rather it says who will come to life. The great white throne judgement is of dead people that’s why the book of life is opened to see who will be made alive.
If theirs weeping and gnashing of teeth that implies torture. Thanks for admitting it is not about doing what you can to be good. God set an impossible standard that beings with free will cannot fulfill because everyone has a bad day. I don’t know if Christians know this but but most atheists are good people who follow the law.
"i'm basically good" enjoyers when they can't measure good and evil in a purely materialistic and naturalistic worldview and assume their thoughts will matter after 4 generations
Actually, it’s inconclusive on a couple of fronts. First, even if it does imply physical pain (torture), as I shared in the video, that conscious suffering might just be for the duration of their death sentence being carried out (just like Jesus on the cross suffered in the process of dying). And second, gnashing of teeth is something the Jewish leaders do in response to Stephen’s preaching (Acts 7:54), and they certainly weren’t being tortured.
@@dalegriffin6768 first, more than likely. Second that’s a straw man, I didn’t say life is an illusion. Third something must exist for anything to exist in a physical world, outside a physical anything is possible atom and energy can come into existence at will cause no laws governing no existence.
Totally agree with you, Dan! Thanks
Thank you for this short but informative video. Im not convinced of it but hav even looking into and am open to conditional mortality and the annihilation view. I’ve enjoyed your Chanel too! If you see this please share what you think is the stronger scriptural evidence for and against annihilation. I’ve looked into it quite a bit and have watched various videos and read articles on it but I’d love to hear more of both sides!
G'day Kaitlyn :)
We recently did a long form conversation with Chris Date (Annihilationist) and Jerry Walls (Traditionalist) on our channel. Feel free to have a listen ruclips.net/video/3ZQr-P35LK0/видео.html
Exactly, people send themselves there by denying the gift of salvation through Christ Jesus, as we have a free will.
Thanks for agreeing it’s not about being a good person. Having good thoughts 100% of the time is impossible. Perfection is an oxymoron because we all have different ideas of what is perfect.
Freewill is an illusion. Every model of science tells us so.
Also, your god is either one of 2 things, a monster or an ignorant monster.
You say he gave beings freewill. If he was a truly omniscient and omnipotent then he would know, that by giving being free will, it would mean that some of them would go to Hell. He set it up that way, instead of just gifting omniscience to everyone equally.
So, since we know you can have no cause without effect, and all things are impermanent, what will happen when you and your god are in hell for sending beings there, and you for thinking he’s just for doing so?
Thanks for engaging, but your comment is full of assumptions / problems.
(1) Omniscience is an incommunicable attribute. God cannot logically create finite creatures with infinite knowledge.
(3) God having foreknowledge of human sin does not remove the reasoning for Him bestowing it on humanity. Granted, now you need to explain why God would allow humans to sin, but that has been answered by appeals to a dozen or so theodicies.
(3) As for free will, scientific accounts (assuming naturalism) are by nature limited. Agent causation is an entirely plausible proposal to ground free will.
Hope this clears up a few things.
@@qcsocials There's no problem with my statement. We have a free will to make our own choices. Therefore, we can't blame God for making bad choices. Crystal clear to me. Much of your retort is psychobabble nonsense dude.
@@icurededs Free will is not an illusion dude. The only illusion happening here, or should I say delusion, is your believing it's an illusion.
But man was perfect without the knowledge of evil before the temptation in the garden- how do you reconcile this with our free will to choose evil?
God doesn't send anyone to Hell, he just lets them choose it.
Who says outer darkness cant have fire? Who says fire cant be black? Jesus descriptions of hell are not open to our interpretation
THE DEAD ARE JUDGED
2 Timothy 4:1
I solemnly exhort you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the DEAD, and by His appearing and His kingdom:
1 Peter 4:5
but they will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the DEAD. 6 For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are DEAD, that though they are judged in the flesh as people, they may live in the spirit according to the will of God.
Acts 10:42
And He ordered us to preach to the people, and to testify solemnly that this is the One who has been appointed by God as Judge of the living and the DEAD.
Revelation 11
18 And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the DEAD to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who are destroying the earth.”
Revelation 20
12 And I saw the DEAD, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the DEAD were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the DEAD who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the DEAD who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds.
DEAD PEOPLE ARE SENT TO LIFE BUT NOT SENT TO BE KILLED AT FINAL JUDGMENT.
Daniel 12
2 “””And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some TO eternal life, and some TO shame and eternal contempt.
- Some awake and must still go TO eternal life because they are still dead.
- Others awake and are not killed because they are already dead and must go to shame and contempt.
Matt 25:46
“””These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous INTO eternal life.”””
- Sheep must still go INTO eternal life because they are still dead.
- Goats are not killed because they are already dead and must go into eternal punishment.
John 5
29 “””And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection OF life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection OF judgment.”””
Those who are judged are dead people that’s why it says they “come forth UNTO a resurrection”
They are dead which is why they go to a resurrection of life By contrast the others who go TO a resurrection of Judgment are not said to be put to death because they are already dead.
Revelation 20
12 “””And I saw the DEAD, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the BOOK OF LIFE; and the DEAD were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the DEAD who were in it, and Death and Hades gave up the DEAD who were in them; and they were judged, each one of them according to their deeds. 14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE , he was thrown into the lake of fire.”””
- They are dead
People who are in the book of life still die so we know The book of life is not about staying alive but rather it says who will come to life.
The great white throne judgement is of dead people that’s why the book of life is opened to see who will be made alive.
If God exists, I hope he has a good excuse.
At around 430 of this video he mentions murder rape ect as evil and neglects to call out god for commanding such things in the old testament
Tradition is the illusion of permanace.
To eternally reject God...
Jesus lives! ♥️ and is God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
God is silent..Now, if man would just shut up
@@JadDragon If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans.
If theirs weeping and gnashing of teeth that implies torture. Thanks for admitting it is not about doing what you can to be good. God set an impossible standard that beings with free will cannot fulfill because everyone has a bad day. I don’t know if Christians know this but but most atheists are good people who follow the law.
"i'm basically good" enjoyers when they can't measure good and evil in a purely materialistic and naturalistic worldview and assume their thoughts will matter after 4 generations
Actually, it’s inconclusive on a couple of fronts. First, even if it does imply physical pain (torture), as I shared in the video, that conscious suffering might just be for the duration of their death sentence being carried out (just like Jesus on the cross suffered in the process of dying). And second, gnashing of teeth is something the Jewish leaders do in response to Stephen’s preaching (Acts 7:54), and they certainly weren’t being tortured.
@@qcsocials you still need to acknowledge that going to heaven isn’t about trying to be better than you are.
@@dalegriffin6768 first, more than likely. Second that’s a straw man, I didn’t say life is an illusion. Third something must exist for anything to exist in a physical world, outside a physical anything is possible atom and energy can come into existence at will cause no laws governing no existence.
@@Demonoicgamer666 There is something out there watching over us. Unfortunately, it's the government.