Since the recording of this review, firmware v1.2.50 has been released and now allows for adjustment of the parametric EQ frequencies so you can customise to your heart's content. Enjoy!
I was watching another audio file person, found you! You definitely went into the depths that’s what I want to know. I appreciate this, others don’t get inside. Thank you.
Thank you for the great & thorough review of the A8. You definitely have me thinking more about a purchase. I also wanted to put in a request for a "how to" video on producing your own convolution filters. Lastly, I am a big fan of your reviews. You seem to listen for and value many of the same things I do when listening to and enjoying music. I watched your short video on reviewers and their acceptance or rejection of equipment and/or money before this video. For me, it really gave me much more insight on your approach to reviewing and showed a side of you as a reviewer that is not often seen from other audio reviewers. It was truly refreshing and added substantially more credibility, honesty, and gravitas to you as a reviewer and your reviews, as well. Thank you for your excellent reviews. They have really helped me on my audio journey.
Thank you for another great review. I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I am very interested in how to make FIR filters. I'm ordering a Umic-1 now.
Thanks for the review, I love my DMP A8 as someone getting back into digital, and upgrading from CD transport and old Weiss DAC2. The A8 is giving me plenty of options to test and learn, whilst producing very nice sound, whilst it may not be the best preamp, coupled with my McCormack DNA 500 power amp, Whatmough and BW 804 speakers gives me plenty to experiment with. Would love to see you produce a video on DSP.
Thank you for your honest and balanced review of the A8! Very well done! I own the A6 ME and use my external Musical Fidelity MX-DAC (which imho still sounds better than the internal ME DAC solution). As I suspected, there won't be any advantage in buying an A8 when using it as a streamer only (using USB and thereby bypassing the internal DAC clock chips).
Look inside of them. IF you notice they have similar but Different PS modules then it is too quick to say they sound exactly the same without quantitative SNR, distortion etc. measurements to confirm that. For me, I am buying them to test them as streamer of my 10TB local music lib comparing to using JRiver (which can do professional DSP functions with support of any VST plug-in like emulating tube tones, so far found no streamer on the market can do so) on PC with multiple layers of reclocking, galvanic isolation to external DAC.
That's what I'm wondering . I have a schitt bifrost 2 and I like the way r2r dacs sound so not worried about the internal dac of the a8 unless it's better than what i have
Great video and very extensive description of the features. I own the RME ADI 2 pro for the shear fact of DSP functionality as I require something portable with extensive configarability for my work, ok DMP A8 is biased for home audio but yes the DSP is the game changer for me on room correction alone. Thank you very much indeed for your honesty and opinions.
Also, I absolutely love that there is a loudness feature. For metal music, getting the v shape in the sound is really important to me, its what I would be trying to do with the PEQ anyway so thats really awesome that its included, with 4 intensity levels to boot. This box is on my very short list for a future upgrade.
That's great to hear from someone who finds the loudness feature useful. I figured there would be certain situations where it is valuable so now I know. Thanks!
I am making my own deconvolution filters (with help from the Obsessive Compulsive Audiophile on RUclips) for the Roon DSP engine and it has greatly enhanced the sound quality of my systems. I would love to see your process for making filters! 👍
Great review, thank you. Just ordered (preorder) the A8 yesterday. I would be interested in a video on working with the various aspects of the DSP capabilities in the A8. Thanks again.
Just upgraded my DMP-A6 master edition with this a teddy pardo outboard linear power supply. No more brightness, more bass weight. Strongly recommend it.
Fantastic review lanchlan you pretty much covered all of the bases and questions that I had on the onset. You gave it a pretty balanced assessment on functionality and performance. I would lean toward the separates route and personally would choose a stand alone pre amp for my 2 channel and headphone chains. A solid pre amp is a great investment and makes everything in the chain better.
Glad I covered everything needed, Ace! I'm a hug fan of the A8 and it's the centre of my office setup now, but I also agree with the appeal of separates.
The DSP stuff sounds awesome. While I could see something like this helping streamline my system, it would be nice if they included a sub out with the DSP feature.
Maybe something like an Anthem MRX 1140 might be a better fit for you? An AIO solution with all the things. Effective tuning that's easy for most general home users to get use from. Or are you using studio gear?
@@StephenMcGregor1986 I was thinking the same thing. I own a Anthen MRX 540 (intended pairing) and think I already have state of the art room correction etc with ARC so the main feature being DSP with the DMP-A8 is kinda useless for me. The more I dig into this unit it is becoming apparent this is "probably" a decent preamp but as a superior streamer/dac its just above entry level which is not what I need for this price. To hear Passion for sound state the Gresseli JNOG with the latest AKM and op amp upgrade has a better sounding dac gave me pause. Another reveiwer states the latest sub $600 Gustard varient sounds better too. This DMP A8 release is turning into real Sh*t show marketing gone off the rails. A6 owners are pissed,the reviewers are calling each other out, 2 reviewers say its the best thing they ever heard under 3K ,2 reviewers say its only true value is as an all in one box and the Sound Quality is meh and you can do better for less $$$. and now this thread. This is not what I was expecting. I am going cancel my pre order I'm not convinced the DMP A8 is what I was hoping for sadly.
I wouldn't go so far as saying the sound quality is meh. I think it sounds wonderful. I just think people need to have fair and reasonable expectations. I also agree that a dedicated subwoofer output would have made sense and to then tie the HPF/LPF to specific outputs which I don't think I saw an option for (but I didn't dive super deep on that)
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I would absolutely love to see a video where you would take us through the proper use of DSP to set-up speakers. I'm really thinking of buying this unit to connect to my powered speakers, and the DSP function is clearly a USP for me thanks!!!
Wow what a insane do it all preamp. I am tempted to replace my old parasound P6 in my secondary setup with this to reduce the clutter of multiple boxes.
I have the A23+ and shopping a P6 but lately the used market for any P series Parasound has gone bonkers pricey. I’m using a Sonos second gen connect into a Smsl SU-9 into the A23+ fantastic matching. Always wondered if the P6 would be an improvement🤔
Depending on what you need, it can be a nice upgrade. If you're only looking for better sound quality, an external DAC can get you even better gains if you don't mind an extra device in your stack.
I would be interested in an A6+ w/o DAC but with high end power supply, with this A8 DSP features and additionally full D2D functionality incl. all digital inputs and outputs. No DAC, no preamp.
Would be great if you can share more insights on: 1. How do you connect Umik 1 microphone and how calibration is done in Ecersolo dmp-a8. 2. Can active subwoofer be pluged via rca at the same time as stereo amp via xlr?
The Umik 1 explanation will come up in my convolution filter video, but you need a separate computer for that part (i.e. you don't connect it to the DMP-A8) As for the active sub, yes, both the XLR and RCA can operate at the same time so you can definitely do that.
Excellent review I was looking forward to the A8 review as whether to upgrade my A6 master edition the DSP function certainly has me interested but for the moment I’ll keep enjoying the A6 & wait to see if a master edition comes out of the A8.
I would be surprised if we see a Master Edition of the A8 because I have a feeling they've adopted the same components in the A8 as were used in the A6 Master. That said, unless you need the DSP, the jump in price doesn't equate to the jump in performance IMO.
Sorry for being impatient. Quick peek looks like plug miniDSP UMIK-1 into REW. Select it as input source. Upload mic calibration file. Position mic at left ear position and run a measurement with long 20 / 20K sweep. Save output file as Left.wav then repeat for right. Then import those files in the A-8 FIR menu? I guess this will give the A-8 the basis to create a filter that's "opposite" of the measurement to theoretically reach a flat response? Thanks for entertaining all of our eager replies.@@PassionforSound
That's the basics of it, yes. The problem I've found with that though is that it's killing the imaging on my Harbeths. Any frequency response adjustment also risks producing timing/phase issues too and I think thats the problem, but I have to do more testing to get it right and be sure of what's going wrong.
Eversolo didn't wait very long after releasing the A6 before releasing the A6 Master Edition. One of the upgrades in the master edition was an upgrade of the output op amps. If they remain true to their pattern of release there may be a Master Edition of the A8 with better output op amps in the future.
That would be great if they're able to find an op-amp setup to get the most from the DAC stage. As for swapping op-amps, I haven't opened it to have a look, but I believe they're a surface mount op-amp that's used so no easy swapping.
That's an interesting question and one I can't answer. What I can say is that the 4499EX chip used in the A8 has been preferable to me over any other chip-based DAC I've tried so far. In other words, if those are built around other chips, the A8 is likely better.
This is a great review. Seems very fair. I’m curious if the transport only function of the A8 is a noticeable step up from the A6. I have an A6 with a Denafrips Pontus ii connected via USB. Based on this review, I believe my current setup will be better than this setup but I’d be curious for your thoughts. So many people just want a great streamer and already have high quality DACs.
I'd recommend staying with what you have. As the DMP-A6 + Geshelli J2S comparison showed (although I didn't explicitly call it out), the streaming stage via digital output offers no significant benefit of you're using an external DAC.
Im debating between the a8 vs a6+denafrips combo. Are you using the preamp from the a6 with your setup or do you use an external preamp and power amp or integrated amp?
I use either an integrated (Enleum AMP-23R) or pre-amp (Burson Soloist Voyager) and Monoblocks (Burson Timekeeper GT) so I don't use the preamp out from the A6. That said, it's a lossless control at the digital side of things so it's a perfectly good option for a variable output.
Thanks for the great review. Any thoughts on further comparisons vs the A6 with the LHY LPS-A6 Linear Power Supply upgrade? Sounds like that might be the way to go when paired with the Geshelli J2S AK4499 to clearly surpass the A8 at a cheaper price.
Hello , new subscriber here. Got a link to the geshelli lab DAC? I see one for a lot cheaper than you mentioned but I’m in the US. What DAC chip do you have? Thx
Thanks for the sub! Here's a link to the DAC. You can choose how to spec this DAC from the Geshelli store (at the link). My version used for this video has the Sparkos Labs op-amps and the AK4499EX DAC chip.
Thanks for the detailed review! You are clearly very knowledgable in the technical aspects of the music world as well. I have a Lumin T2 which I use to stream Tidal and use its XLR outputs (internal DAC) into my McIntosh preamp. I'm wondering if the A6 (XLR out) will use its internal DAC and is a suitable replacement for my Lumin. Or is the A8 with its internal DAC a better replacement in my case? Or are the A6 and A8 comparable while using XLR out? Thanks once again.
Thanks for the great review. I have a Musical Fidelity M5Si going into B&W 704 S2 speakers and wanted to upgrade my digital steamer/DAC from Sonos connect to the Eversolo DMP-A6 but might now save up a bit more for the A8. Would you recommend I also connect my Rotel CD11 player through the Eversolo to take advantage of the DAC?
I’m also curious about the potential lower price and deeper sound stage you mentioned with the combination of the A6 and Geshelli DAC but not sure where I can buy this DAC in Australia
The A8 is definitely the better DAC compared to the one in the A6 so that's a worthwhile consideration. As for the A6 + Geshelli J2S option, you can buy direct from Geshelli unless you're outside a metro city in Australia. You should see options here on their store for shipping direct: bit.ly/J2SAKM
@@PassionforSoundthanks so much for the response. I’ll definitely look into it. What’s your thoughts on whether I should feed my cd player through the Eversolo DAC rather than direct to my M5Si with rca connections?
Without knowing the M5Si specifically, I'd probably suggest going direct to that. There's rarely a value in adding a preamp if you already have volume control
We need a comparison of the a6 master edition with the upgraded power supply vs this to get an idea what's the best value. The power supply looks fairly similar. Power supply from the denafrips distributor Does it have a sub out?
I'm afraid it's unlikely I'll be getting a Master Edition in. As a pure streamer, I doubt there'll be any difference. If you're using the DAC though, the 4499EX chips in the A8 are a clear step up from any other current 'off-the-shelf' DAC chip I've heard
I just want it for the audio visualizer display. Seems like an expensive way to get a spectrum analyzer or vu meters but it's the only option on the market for under $5,000 besides the HiFi Rose. I'm upgrading from my old analog stereo from the 80s and it's been an infuriating shopping experience to find a modern digital hifi system that has a visual display of any sort. I've been shopping for a few years now was almost ready to give up and just keep my old Kenwood 2 channel A/V receiver with EQ, CD player and add some new speakers. Finally I have found a device with digital inputs that I can connect to a newer power amp with newer speakers. It's been about 5 years since I started shopping to upgrade to the new digital age of audio. Finally the industry is bringing back the visualizer. Streaming music is still new to me but the Eversolo is what finally motivated me to take the plunge.
Thank you for the excellent review. Another review of the a8, I believe from the British Audiophile, says a preamp was needed for better sound. Wondering your thoughts on that and if you have suggestions for a good power amp (or preamp + power amp or integrated amp) to pair with Eversolo.
I don't do a lot of speaker listening and have higher quality preamps already so I haven't properly tested the preamp on this. I do believe he is correct though. The only integrated amps I can suggest from experience are the Enleum AMP-23R and Linear Tube Audio MZ3, but both are a bit unique and won't suit everyone. Alternatively, a few of the headphone amps I've reviewed are also very good preamps (Burson Soloist GT or Voyager, etc.) but I'm not sure if you also need a headphone amp.
Stellar review! I own the A6, which I'm only using as a streamer with a phone-sized display and a decent remote control via my smartphone. I running it with the Qutest/SBooster and Wandla as alternative DACs and then the Ferrum Oor/Hypsos amp and power supply. If I upgrade to the A8, it will be to get an upgraded streamer and DSP.
@@trun1979 I don't yet have an answer. I bought the A6 and the A8 to compare the two against each other, as well as to compare their DACs against the Qutest and the Wandla. A/Bing is clumsy, clunky affair. I can tell you that the streamer sounds great. Running it, in pass-through mode, it's really impressive. Both the Qutest and the Wandla were as clear and detailed as I've ever heard them, with fresh artifacts popping out from songs I'd heard for decades. My intent was simply to use one of these devices as a streamer and keep my Qutest and Wandla as external DACs. Considering the Qutest to cost 3X the A6 and the Wandla to cost a thousand more than the A8, all I wanted was the best streamer I could get for less than the price of the HiFi Rose. I also couldn't resist that 6 inch display. The A8 is reputed to have a better DAC because of its AKM chips, though it doesn't hurt that it also comes packed with dual Femto clocks and a hybrid PSU. I started listening to it first and it's incredible. Going back to the A6 (to listen to its DAC) just happened. I'm barely into it even as we speak. All I can say, a few tracks in, is that I'm surprised and dazzled. I don't yet hear anything disappointing. I'm not yet hearing the step down I should be hearing from the lesser sibling in EverSolo's pair of integrated streamer/DAC/amplifier combos.
Hi. I wonder about this comparison. I know you are a Chord user and enthusiast. I use high-class Sveda Audio active loudspeakers. When I bought the DMP A6, I sold the Chord Qutest. I could remove additional devices from the audio path; The Qutest had no volume control, no XLR outputs, and although it sounded better than the "A6", the instruments did not have their natural mass, they seemed slimmer. The Qutest sounded nicer, had better soundstage and detail, but with the standard "A6" I listened more to the music than what it sounded like. I wonder what "A8" sounds like to your ears compared to the Chord Qutest. Are you able to share your impressions?
Unfortunately, I don't have the Qutest anymore to be able to say. What I know from various experiences though is that the Chord DACs produce more depth in the soundstage. Most chip-based Delta Sigma DACs tend to flatten out the stage which can bring everything forward into more of a wall of sound. This can create that sense of density that you're talking about with the instruments so I imagine it's that that you're preferring. The A8 will sit somewhere between the A6 and the Qutest in that regard because the AK4499EX chips produce more depth, but not as much as the Chord DACs.
I like "analog" playing, where the instruments have their own natural mass and body. From my experience, there was no more air in the presentation of space in Qutes, I had it in the system for 5 years! Qutest had more details; you could listen to every line of the instruments. The message was dynamic, but on the other hand "velvet", this was all a plus. However, it lacked mass and descent. Maybe you need to change the Delta sigma to the R2R DAC, which in the future will become a partner for the "A8", which will be at my place next week. Thank you for your answer. Regards! 🙂@@PassionforSound
Great review. Question: I own a good amount of multichannel (including SACD, DVD-A & PABD 5.1 channel and other) content and have been looking for a streamer and overall player to manage the library I´ve stored in my NAS through DLNA. Reading the user manual for the A6 and A8, they do state that the A6 handles multichannel through its HDMI out port, whereas the A8 lacks such a port, and instead, it has an IIS out jack that could only be connected to an external DAC with an IIS input port. Am I missing something or it is true that the manufacturers of Eversolo did not include this functionality on the A8?
As far as I know, they didn't include it. I'd actually forgotten the A6 had HDMI too. I don't use multi channel so haven't explored this properly, but I think you have it right.
Wonderful improvement over the A6, but it lacks an I2s input--especially useful since the A8 has an excellent DAC that one would like to use for other sources.
I'm not sure what you mean about "what's the difference?" but IIS uses an HDMI connection to carry the digital data using the protocol that's used on the inside of DACs. In my experience, it often produces a slightly better sound than other connection types - perhaps due to better noise rejection, the fact that it carries timing data, and/or some other factors I'm unaware of.
Quick question. could I use the coaxial out to my DAC(amp, speakers etc) at the same time as RCA analogue out to my subwoofer? thanks for the really good review.
Glad you liked the review! Unfortunately, while you could have both connected and quickly and easily toggle via the app or the touch screen, but they won't both run simultaneously.
Would definitely like to see the video on using filters etc. This is something that just doesn't get looked at enough. Its just accepted that we all know everything. 😂
I have a custom tube preamp, dedicated NuPrime DAC, and Wiim Pro streamer. Three boxes which I don’t mind but I do like this since it checks all the boxes including balanced pre-amp. One unit going into my Mark Levinson amp is tempting.
LoL. Hopefully EverSolo won't be one of "those" brands. So far they appear to be even-handed in their product development (no new DACs since the Z6 and Z8)
I think it's a really good balance. For those just wanting a nice streamer box for an external DAC, the A6 is perfect. For those wanting a super powerful all-in-one, the A8 is amazing!
The most comprehensive review I have heard. Question, hopefully not a stupid one. I have a very nice Mark Levinson Preamp. Does it make sense to continuing using this? My plan is to migrate to the 23 century from the CD world. Love the fact there is on board storage up to 4 TB. Let me know your thoughts.
So glad you liked the review! If your pre-amp is only a pre-amp and not doing any other duties then it's maybe not required once you have a DMP-A8. It's quite possible that the Levinson could be a better pre-amp, but it will depend on whether you're running any other sources through it. Because a pre-amp's job is to be transparent, it will only sound as good as what's before it in the chain spot won't be adding anything to the DMP-A8 by adding it. However, if you're still going to run CDs via a separate transport/player and not using the DMP-A8 for the CDs, then there may be some value in keeping the Levinson. Hopefully that all makes sense.
@@PassionforSound Thanks so for your reply! FYI, many others on Facebook have pointed me to your review of the DMP-A8.. again due to your practical experience and comprehensive details, Its well received! To follow up on your response, I only use my Levinson to listen to CD's, that's it. I am still educating my self in this arena and really appreciate others insight. My first and most important requirement is to select an excellent quality DAC followed by a platform that can accommodate my CD collection, the 4tb storage is ample. Streaming is new to me as an audiophile, assuming the right quality DAC, high quality cabling, using sources like Tidal 24/192 backed by a good connection internet connection with class A equipment should satisfy? I am on the fence, do I need a Streamer/DAC/Storage/Preamp..or do i need a DAC/Streamer/Storage and continue to use my Levinson.? My Levinson is fantastic! really made a difference
It's really hard to answer that question for you. I think the best bet, if possible, would be to grab the A8 and try it as a streamer/DAC into the Levinson, and then remove the Levinson and try the sound direct from the A8. If you feel like the A8 is as good or better then you're all set to relocate or sell the Levinson.
As a streamer only . Would the a8 be better sounding due to power supply ect .. I have an external bifrost 2 dac and marantz pm11s3 for preamp . Just want the best streamer to use Apple Music
Today I did a massive auditing, a6, a6 master and a8, and I noticed quite the big step up regarding soundstage, at least more noticeble on big speakers. I even went as far throwing a tt2 in the test. What I noticed was a6 master was noticible better than the a6 but just a little. De a8 however had quite a big stage. Then I compared the a8 to the tt2 digital and I noticed the tt2 lost a little of the stage (compared to the a8) but gave smoothness for it back, and a little calmer sound. As a total I found that the a8 was quite a big difference, and even though the tt2 sounded smoother, it was not like 3 times better. (A6 did not have a change in that compare)
Hi! It would be really great if you could make tutorial video how to get best out of DSP functions, especially how to successfully use FIR filter option.
I definitely want to learn more about FIR filter. Do we need a computer for the setup? Or we just plugin the mic in to the device itself? Please make a video 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I am looking for a streamer/dac and am waiting for the DMP-A8 to hit the stores. But up till now I was more aiming for the 3000,- range (with the Auralic altair g1.1, Atoll ST300 or the Naim ND5 XS2). Would the DMP-A8 come close to these or are the 3 mentioned (and other in the 3000,- range) in another league?
I can't compare directly to those as yet, but based on my testing, it probably comes down to whether you need a dedicated streamer or whether you want the built-in DAC, DSP and pre-amp. My test with the DMP-A6 and J2S DAC showed that you might as well just get the DMP-A6 if you're looking for just a streamer. I've got the new Lumin D3 coming in for review soon so hopefully that will give me a good point of comparison to see how a dedicated streamer compares against these do-it-all boxes.
I gotta ask :) on 15:00 when you compared with j2s DAC you said that 'they are very very close ' sound wise .. and 20 secs later you said that the j2s is better in a few parameters.. just curious to know if from your point of view they are really more close in comparison sound quality then far that you can hear noticeable upgrade on the j2s . Thanks 🙏
When you get two DACs at a similar level like this, the first impression of them will often be that there's no difference at all. That's because the obvious characteristics like resolution and overall tonal character are about the same. When you listen a bit deeper though, you'll sometimes find that there are differences. In the case of the J2S, the quality of the op-amps in the output stage were helping to improve things like soundstage depth and bass extension/weight IIRC.
Thanks for the thorough review. You mentioned it won’t function as a USB bridge device converting a usb input signal to a spdif out. I am wondering if it allows the opposite though-convert a spdif input signal to a usb out? Many thanks.
Hmmmm... I don't currently have a DAC connected to the USB socket so perhaps the system is smart and only shows USB when it's connected. If I select optical or coaxial at the moment, it shows the analog outputs and IIS so there's hope. Let me check when I can attach a DAC...
Eversolo is a sister company of Zidoo who makes some of the best Android boxes around. I always wondered what the difference between ES & Z products were...and it's actually pretty simple. Eversolo is AUDIO Only... so is a streaming device, while Zidoo include the 4K video side. The equivalent to this on the Zidoo (video) side is the Neo Alpha, but at almost 3 grand!
See if you can get your hands on a Zidoo Neo Alpha and I think you'll be blown away. Not only does it have the top-line Sabre 9038 Pro DAC, but it has balanced analog preamp outputs to run directly into an amp, multiple power supplies to handle all the separate components, every quality Bluetooth codec imaginable, split HDMI to optimize audio and video, and some of the best Japanese circuitry with high-end Elna capacitors and such. Oh yeah, and it plays nearly every VIDEO file under the sun. If I didn't already have an Oppo 205 that repeats many of these functions...I would probably get it in a heartbeat.
Here is my dilemma: I currently like the internal dac in my Hegel H190. Is the dac in the A8 that much better? If not, I had rather buy the a6 master edition and digital out to my Hegel dac. Thoughts?
I can't tell which DAC chip is in the H190. It's an AKM, but unlikely to be the AK4499EX which was only released about a year ago (I think the H190 has been around longer than that, yes?) So, the A8 is likely to be better in terms of depth in the soundstage, but might not be significantly different in other ways.
Very interesting 🧐 and thanks, but for music you still choose the Chord Hugo. So, having the Chord Qutest, I will wait what Chord brings to the table, probably next year at the CES.
It depends a lot on what you're looking for. The A8 has features that the others do not, but if you don't need those features, something like the A6 (particularly the Master Edition) with a quality external DAC can be just as good or better. The WiiMs are also good, but can't match the higher end streamers with a decent DAC.
So much GAS ;). Will the Roon remote control the volume of the DMP A8? Running into power amp at the moment and controlling Node2i output from Roon app. Cheers.
Until the A8 becomes Roon compatible,.I can't be sure. IIRC, it does control the DMP-A6 so, if you're streaming to it (not using it as a preamp) it should do, I think.
@@PassionforSound Hi thanks for response, so is the preamp only for inputs? I understood it like a Preamp that one would use with a poweramp for separates. Thanks.
There is preamp/volume control over all outputs (DAC, streaming, analog inputs). My point was more that there'd be no way to control the volume from Roon when you are using the analog inputs. Sorry for the confusion.
@@PassionforSound all good. And never be sorry ;). I appreciate all the help and work you do here. So I assume it would work the same as the Node2i currently does where I control volume from Roon App. Cheers again!
Hello, With The parametric EQ I can EQ my Headphones to get that Harman Curve (Target frequency response) If I wat to, so that's a really excellent and welcome feature! But the DAC sound quality have to be better for the asking price (After I Heard the comparison with the Geshelli Labs J2S)... Thanks for the important comparison...
The DAC is just one part of 3 or 4 major functions of this device. Judging it for the DAC quality without considering all it does is unreasonable. After all, the J2S can't do volume control, streaming, Bluetooth, or DSP. Both have different purposes.
@@PassionforSound To me it's reasonable because it's one part in the chain, so in this case, I will prefer to buy a seperated DAC, Streamer and Headphones AMP if my number 1 priority is the sound quality. Enjoy
That's always a good choice. Separates will almost always provide better sound quality for the same total cost - they're just less convenient (but worth it IMO).
How would it compare to the Topping D70 Octo/ DX9, or Gustard A26 used as a dac and volume control regarding the sound quality? I am looking for a natural sounding dac, so mostly looking for akm dacs.
I think it's probably on par with the OCTO, but a bit different (OCTO is a bit chunkier sounding). I haven't tried the other two DACs you mentioned, but would expect the A26 to be even better based on my experiences with the R26.
I like that it has built in EQ. That is likely going to make it my next streamer. Only thing I see it seems to lack is the ability to control volume balance left / right. If it included this then it could be used with the high end amps that have no balance control which I need to accomodate a crappy left ear. It is unfortunate that the analog inputs cannot run through the DSP though.
I was surprised to not see a balance control in the DSP. I can't recall if there's balance control buried somewhere else, but agree that it would have been nice to include.
@@PassionforSoundInformation I have seen in forums says the next firmware update will likely include balance control. Maybe this will be over the next several months.
I'm very curious to know what the quality of the preamp is compared to a tubed McIntosh or a tubed Conrad Johnson Act2. If anyone has any idea how they would compare please let me know... My first thoughts are that the Eversolo wouldn't even come close. ?
The moment you add tubes, they're going to have very different character so it's a tough comparison. I'd say the DMP-A8 preamp is ok, but it won't match a dedicated pre-amp of around $1,000-1,500+
Hello Lachlan, thank you for the review ❗️ 🔆 Off the topic what would you recommend for about $1000 home set up listening mainly IEMs? Thank you ❤️🙋♂️
Hey ! Thank you for the review . I have a question.. today I'm with ferrum Erco and gsx mini . I use the Erco with line out to my mini . Do you think I'll have a better result sound wise with the eversolo amp a 8 DAC over the Erco DAC ? I'll really appreciate your help here
That's a tough one to answer because I haven't tried the Erco. Knowing that it uses the ES9028Pro chip, the A8 has the upper hand there with its AK4499EX, but the output stage might be better from the Erco - I don't know. Another key question is how you're feeding the DAC. If you're going to use the streamer stage in the DMP-A8 then that can provide benefits over other sources like USB from a PC or Mac and that could also be in favour of the A8. As I said, it's hard for me to give a clear answer though...
@@PassionforSound Thank you very much for the reply I appreciate it🙏 yeah today I'm with a high quality USB to my DAC . But then again , a streamer ofc is much more convenient but if you say that above all the chip of the eversolo is on the upper hand it make my choice easier .
There's an important question I can't quite find an answer to. I have an Audio Research analog M-Ch preamp that is absolutely state-of-the-art... running an Oppo 205 and now possibly this device. I know it can be done in the A6 but can the A8 disable the internal volume/ volume bypass if you're running it into a preamp that already has a volume control? The AR preamp will blow the doors off anything this offers but I don't see that bypass option on the A8 touch screen which is a big concern. BTW: the people behind the design is from Zidoo, which is their parent company and well known for making some of the best "Android TV boxes". They have a potent Audio PLUS video product called the Neo Alpha that would be great if you could get in review to compare!
There's no bypass option that I've found in the software, but if you max the volume, it should bypass the pre-amp circuit, I believe (that's how I use it). It's unlikely I'll look at the Zidoo gear, I'm afraid, simply because I'm an audio focused channel, but you never know...
I have been using the similar Eweat (MyMei) DMP-50 streamer DAC for the past year. I believe Eweat is the OEM for Eversolo and Zidoo. The Eweat has been excellent and the company has released firmware and app updates. It's only failing atm is that it doesn't do gapless playback.
@@PassionforSound I got it for $1664AU back in August 2022 from their online store in Ali. They now have it at $3173AU which is way too much given the DMP-A8's price. That said, the DMP50 is really high quality product using two ESS9038 Pro chips, decodes DSD512 and weighs 8.5kg. They also claim to use genuine German Wima and Japanese Elna caps in it. Just a shame it has no gapless playback.
I also have a Chord DAC, and I tried the DMP-A6, but chose to return it due to among other things the inflexible way of choosing outputs. On the A8, would it be possible to "loop in" the Chord as the DAC? Meaning using one of the digital outputs "always on" but the sending the Chord balanced output back into the A8 and using the preamp there? I also have a turmtable, so I would need both analog inputs. If this was possible I could replace my current preamp... (Sorry, I almost confused myself there...)
I don't use HQ Player anymore so probably not. Sorry! I'd expect it will be the same as most other DACs without a NOS mode in that the sound will still be better.
Seems a bit disappointing really. Sounds like you had to ‘imagine’ sound differences that were so subtle as to be negligible. And you didn’t test A6 vs A8 using a high quality external doc, but seems as though there would be minimal difference, thus making A6 the better purchase for this use case.
There was no imagining going on and the test with the J2S tells us all we need to know which is that using an external DAC renders each of these equivalent as streamers only and, therefore, the A6 with a top notch DAC is better than the A8 without an external DAC (unless you need DSP / preamp functionality). If you want a single box solution that sounds great and has lots of functionality, the A8 is pretty hard to go past.
I just got a Eversolo DMP - A8 and it sounds harsh! I tried using the parametric EQ and everything that I could find on the unit to try and make it less harsh but it seems that most of it has zero effect. It seems as if they EQ and sound adjustment does not work. I downloaded Apple Music onto the unit. It seems some of the Internet radio stations. The high-quality stuff is less harsh. I also watched and listened to TV through it. How do you get this thing to not be so harsh? Thank you.
Sorry to hear that! What are you comparing it to? What did you come from? As for the EQ, if it's not working, you might not have activated the DSP overall. I think you need to switch that on in addition to setting the EQ settings.
I have tried with zero to little success. Someone should make a series on how to take full advantage of all the features and capabilities of the A8!@@PassionforSound
If I had the time, I'd love to, but to make an instructional video for a single product is hard in amongst all the reviews I have in the queue. Maybe check out some of the forums and see if someone there can guide you through it.
I was following this product since early awareness. And finally was able to aquire one. It delivers on the emotion in music, which is what I was drawn to. I was in heaven! I have a pair of Cornwall IV performing as well, so its nice But, and this is so so frustrating It startted to distort only three days after unboxing, only resolved through factory reset. Support is 12 hours off from me, and I had to knock pretty hard on the "door" to get attention They reproduced this issue - not sure what that means, but it has not happened again. So I just wait ? Then 12 hours ago, bluetooth failed. It shows up as an end point, but plays nothing. So, again, I wait And the promise of such fantastic music reproduction is locked behind a wall harder to solve than with money, attention to "detail", and user "experience" I feel like I fell for a box of features, with no substance Lets see So, what would be a good replacement ?
I'm so sorry to read this. It sounds like you got a dud. I'd be seeking a replacement unit because I've not heard a single other report of issues with the A8 and mine hasn't skipped a beat.
@@PassionforSound I have an update - long story - part user error. Still want to confirm this with EverSolo. So here is what happenned - when I unboxerd it I hooked it up to my Klipsch Fives in my offce first through RCA. It was handy. I set it up so I could run XLR out to my listenning area, and when in my office use the RCA. The office has several sources, all prettu much bluetooth. Not looking for critical listenning, just less apps to use ;-) Fast forward a week, I'm very happy enjoying the emotion it brings out in my Cornwall IVs. In between I ordered a Tos-Link optical cable to replace the RCA feed in the office from the EverSolo to the Fives. This was for internal streaming and when I wanted to shoot my desktop over to it. So, I replaced the RCA cables with optical, and did some streaming - sounds great! Never ever thought I setup a blue-tooth black-hole of sorts. When I see the DMP-A8 as a bluetooth audio device on my windows machine, I figure - OK, lets connect. I do, and no audio.... That lead me down a rat-hole - because, it was a live BT end point, it connected, what's up ? Streaming worked over the optical. So what gives. That is when I did my reboot, reset thing - no change. Rebooted windows, tried an iPhone, no change. The next morning, I was back in settings just looking around. Of course I had already scoured the internet - and their user manual - nothing connected I'm in the APP and I notice when I click input to bluetooth, my optical-out goes grey ??? Yeah - that was it, apparently bluetooth-in does not conduct through to optical or coax. Any SPDIF. Never saw that coming. And the kicker is that the bluetooth end point is still up, and accepts connections, like it is there and ready. So - more to come It worked before,
The bluetooth-in, not being able to route through optical-out, is apparenty a feaure, not a bug. They just confirmed. Engineering said there is no digital out path fopr digital inputs ?... I said, what about your internal streamer/dac? That goes out digital. He said no, engineering told him only analog lliek RCA/XLR, USB, and IIS At that point (if you see the contradiction) I stopped Seems weird
That's a surprise that BT can't go out via optical. I knew that the general digital inputs didn't, but I wasn't sure of why. They probably do have a good reason for not going digital to digital (except for network streamed content), but these subtleties do get lost in translation often.
The review to me seems extremely honest. Very detailed review of each aspect of dmp A8.I would like to request you to put Volumio Rivo on your list for detailed review. Thanks
If I understood right, the analog input is not converted to digital and send to any of the digital outputs? If not then as pre-amp for a digital/analog combo source system, the DMP-A8 is not an ideal solution in front of digital active loudspeaker.
Can specific parametric EQs be run for each individual output? As in a a high pass filter for the L&R balanced outputs going to the speakers but a low pass filter for the L&R unbalanced outputs going to the sub(s)?
This is the problem with reviews. Soundnews Channel thinks the difference between the A6 and A8 is not subtle. But hey it is what it is. Soundnews also mentioned the A8 matches DAC of the same price.
I think Soundnews and Steve Huff (who said it sounds better than the A6) were testing the A8 with much better amps than what are being used here. Steve was very clear in stating if your system is not highly resolving don’t chase the A8 the A6 will serve you just fine. I believe that’s the case here the test support equipment being used are meh at best in my opinion. Not defending the A8 but system matching is very important in any evaluation.
I tend to err towards understating differences because I feel like there's too much hyperbole in our hobby. I also stand by what I said in this video that the differences are noticeable and significant, but not dramatic. Anyone expecting a huge leap in their system by going from the A6 to the A8 could be disappointed. If they're expecting an incremental improvement, they'll more likely be satisfied. As for the quality of gear used, the Burson Timekeeper GTs, Enleum AMP-23R, Burson Soloist 3X GT and Cen.Grand Silver Fox driving Focal Utopias, Meze Elites and ZMF Calderas should all be suitably resolving I'd say.
About outputting the digital signal via the IIS connector...will the DSP functionality of the A8 work on the signal before it heads over to an external DAC, or does the signal bypass the DSP altogether?
@@PassionforSound Thanks for responding. I sent an email to Eversolo after posting here, asking specifically if the IIS output signal gets DSP, and here is what they said: Regarding the issue: please kindly note that IIS output has not undergone DSP processing in the A8. Best regards, Eversolo
@@PassionforSound no prob. like everyone here I appreciate all the time and effort you put into doing these vids. and appreciate your straight up reviews. thanks much.
Just a heads up, there is now a alpha firmware version for the A6 1.2.36 available (I have tested it) has the full EQ and PEQ from the A8, nice job from eversolo
IIS is the protocol used internally by DACs to transmit data. They use it on some devices as a digital input via the HDMI socket and it often sounds better than other inputs.
It would be nice if you able to present the actual unit touch operations, any difference with the response compare to the old one. We need a comparison side by side. Your opinion is ok, but i want to see the actual operation.
I'm not really clear on what you mean. All of the on-screen footage showed the operations of the device in the clearest way possible (i.e. without my hands in the way)
I don't understand this unit. I have an A6, btw,, and love it. But this is not an 'all-in-one' box unless you have powered speakers. When I saw the photo, I thought, 'perfect, they're coming out with an integrated amp/streamer'. Not this round. I have a Marantz Reference integrated and SACD player ditto. I now run the digital out from the CD player into the A6 (altho it won't support SACDs). My integrated has built-in MC/MM turntable support. This A8 seems to just have a line in which you mention you can use for a turntable. But it's unclear if that's for one of these newer turntables with its own built-in phono stage, or if it can support a regular turntable with at least a MM cartridge. So most likely with a setup like mine, you would have to buy an external phono stage. And then, of course, you need a seperate outboard phono stage, not to mention an amplifier. Still no built-in headphone amp either. So I'm mystified as to how this is a 'one-box solution.' Now, if down the road they actually DO come out with a one-box solution, as in an integrated amp with MM/MC capability, internal headphone amp, and a 100wpc integrated amplifier, I'd be interested. PS in my second system in another residence, I have a Bluesound Powernode which is more like a one box solution to me. I don't have a turntable or CD player there, just streaming, and I run the TV sound thru the built-in eArc. And it has can capability. The DAC sucks, but in a modest system it does the job and at half the price of the A8.
It's a one-box solution in the sense that it has streaming, DAC and preamp covered. For people running a streamer and DAC and preamp before a poweramp or active speakers, this solves a lot of issues. No one product is going to suit all people. As for the turntable question, it will depend on the turntable you have. The A8 can add 10dB of gain to the analog inputs so it will depend on the output of your turntable and whether it's got a built-in phono pre-amp or not.
It's hard to be sure, but it looked to me like the A6 Master Edition was almost a prototype of what they planned for the A8 so I don't know if they'll go another step up.
In a one for all, the A8 is an awesome choice. But the A6 is what more are going to buy I suspect. Eversolo is all about home runs, and look out, there is more coming. Color me impressed with this company.
@PassionforSound that combo is super tempting on the portable side for the new Fiio Q15 but that sucker is as big as my phone and half a LB defeating the purpose of the BTR7 🤭😭
@@PassionforSound Thanks for your answer. So they are both bright then. Not something I wanted to hear as I really dislike the A6s sound signature and hoped the A8 would be warmer with more rolled off highs.
I wouldn't describe either as bright at all. I suspect what's going on here is more about where your reference point lies. If you need a warmer sounding DAC, that's fine. I just want to clarify for anyone else reading this, that the A6 and A8 are not bright in the scheme of things.
@@PassionforSound I have a warm R2R DAC (Rockna Wavelight), I wanted a transport for it and the Eversolo A6 is bright (brighter than my mini pc or a Moon Mind 2 that I also tested), I hoped the A8 would be warmer, but i'm guessing it is not from what you are saying. Again, just as a Transport, not interested in it's DAC.
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Since the recording of this review, firmware v1.2.50 has been released and now allows for adjustment of the parametric EQ frequencies so you can customise to your heart's content. Enjoy!
How many bands? 5? Does it include the Q value?
10 band PEQ with adj fq points and Q value adj.
Thanks for replying here and apologies that I didn't see the original comment!
What is needed to upgrade firmware?
I was watching another audio file person, found
you! You definitely went into the depths that’s what I want to know.
I appreciate this, others don’t get inside.
Thank you.
My pleasure. I'm so glad you found my review useful. Thanks for letting me know!
Does your audio file friend offer downloads?
Yes ! Please show us a guide on convolution filters.
Thanks for letting me know. I'll schedule something in for January.
@@PassionforSoundThanks. Great insight on the DSP and also your comparison with the Geshelli gear.
My pleasure!
Thank you for the great & thorough review of the A8. You definitely have me thinking more about a purchase.
I also wanted to put in a request for a "how to" video on producing your own convolution filters.
Lastly, I am a big fan of your reviews. You seem to listen for and value many of the same things I do when listening to and enjoying music. I watched your short video on reviewers and their acceptance or rejection of equipment and/or money before this video. For me, it really gave me much more insight on your approach to reviewing and showed a side of you as a reviewer that is not often seen from other audio reviewers. It was truly refreshing and added substantially more credibility, honesty, and gravitas to you as a reviewer and your reviews, as well.
Thank you for your excellent reviews. They have really helped me on my audio journey.
Thanks so much for the feedback! I've scheduled a convolution (and EQ) filter for January and begun researching it. 🙂
Finally, not just another 'glowing', but an honest not run-of-the-mill review. Thumb up and thanks 🙂
I'm glad you liked the review.
Yes, please do a detailed walk through of the the DSP and/or convolution filters🤗
Here you go: ruclips.net/video/UYwDTdnWs78/видео.htmlsi=zXidE1oG0zfPZuNa
Thank you for another great review. I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge. I am very interested in how to make FIR filters. I'm ordering a Umic-1 now.
Glad you liked it! I've scheduled a convolution filter/FIR video for January. 🙂
Thanks for the review, I love my DMP A8 as someone getting back into digital, and upgrading from CD transport and old Weiss DAC2. The A8 is giving me plenty of options to test and learn, whilst producing very nice sound, whilst it may not be the best preamp, coupled with my McCormack DNA 500 power amp, Whatmough and BW 804 speakers gives me plenty to experiment with. Would love to see you produce a video on DSP.
It doesn't cover all of the DSP settings, but try this: ruclips.net/video/UYwDTdnWs78/видео.htmlsi=um53UGsVAG7nUZX9
Thank you for your honest and balanced review of the A8! Very well done!
I own the A6 ME and use my external Musical Fidelity MX-DAC (which imho still sounds better than the internal ME DAC solution).
As I suspected, there won't be any advantage in buying an A8 when using it as a streamer only (using USB and thereby bypassing the internal DAC clock chips).
Correct! 🙂🙂
Look inside of them. IF you notice they have similar but Different PS modules then it is too quick to say they sound exactly the same without quantitative SNR, distortion etc. measurements to confirm that.
For me, I am buying them to test them as streamer of my 10TB local music lib comparing to using JRiver (which can do professional DSP functions with support of any VST plug-in like emulating tube tones, so far found no streamer on the market can do so) on PC with multiple layers of reclocking, galvanic isolation to external DAC.
I'd gladly be proven wrong of course! That would mean it is worthwile to upgrade. Let the comparing and testing begin 😂
That's what I'm wondering . I have a schitt bifrost 2 and I like the way r2r dacs sound so not worried about the internal dac of the a8 unless it's better than what i have
I'd take the Bifrost 2/64 over the DMP-A8 DAC stage.
Great video and very extensive description of the features. I own the RME ADI 2 pro for the shear fact of DSP functionality as I require something portable with extensive configarability for my work, ok DMP A8 is biased for home audio but yes the DSP is the game changer for me on room correction alone. Thank you very much indeed for your honesty and opinions.
My pleasure! I'm glad you liked the review.
Will be good with a guide on convolution filters from the A8 - will like to see how good it is vs the minidsp with dirac live.
Yes, a guide for how to compensate for room modes would be great. If there also is a comparison with dirac, then it would be fantastic!
I can't promise a Dirac comparison, but a basic tutorial on creating FIRs for the DMP-A8 (or Roon) I can do. I've scheduled it for January.
@@PassionforSound oh can’t wait 🤗
Also, I absolutely love that there is a loudness feature. For metal music, getting the v shape in the sound is really important to me, its what I would be trying to do with the PEQ anyway so thats really awesome that its included, with 4 intensity levels to boot. This box is on my very short list for a future upgrade.
That's great to hear from someone who finds the loudness feature useful. I figured there would be certain situations where it is valuable so now I know. Thanks!
I am making my own deconvolution filters (with help from the Obsessive Compulsive Audiophile on RUclips) for the Roon DSP engine and it has greatly enhanced the sound quality of my systems. I would love to see your process for making filters! 👍
Sure thing. I'll check out the OCA video too in case I can learn a bit more about it (I suspect I can)
Great review, thank you. Just ordered (preorder) the A8 yesterday. I would be interested in a video on working with the various aspects of the DSP capabilities in the A8. Thanks again.
I've got a video coming about how to setup a FIR filter or EQ, but I'll probably stop there on this one. Too many product reviews to get through!
Incredibly informative and polished review. Thank you so much!
My pleasure. I'm glad you liked it!
Just upgraded my DMP-A6 master edition with this a teddy pardo outboard linear power supply. No more brightness, more bass weight. Strongly recommend it.
Thanks for sharing the suggestion
Fantastic review lanchlan you pretty much covered all of the bases and questions that I had on the onset. You gave it a pretty balanced assessment on functionality and performance. I would lean toward the separates route and personally would choose a stand alone pre amp for my 2 channel and headphone chains. A solid pre amp is a great investment and makes everything in the chain better.
Glad I covered everything needed, Ace! I'm a hug fan of the A8 and it's the centre of my office setup now, but I also agree with the appeal of separates.
The DSP stuff sounds awesome. While I could see something like this helping streamline my system, it would be nice if they included a sub out with the DSP feature.
Maybe something like an Anthem MRX 1140 might be a better fit for you? An AIO solution with all the things. Effective tuning that's easy for most general home users to get use from.
Or are you using studio gear?
@@StephenMcGregor1986 I was thinking the same thing. I own a Anthen MRX 540 (intended pairing) and think I already have state of the art room correction etc with ARC so the main feature being DSP with the DMP-A8 is kinda useless for me. The more I dig into this unit it is becoming apparent this is "probably" a decent preamp but as a superior streamer/dac its just above entry level which is not what I need for this price.
To hear Passion for sound state the Gresseli JNOG with the latest AKM and op amp upgrade has a better sounding dac gave me pause. Another reveiwer states the latest sub $600 Gustard varient sounds better too.
This DMP A8 release is turning into real Sh*t show marketing gone off the rails.
A6 owners are pissed,the reviewers are calling each other out, 2 reviewers say its the best thing they ever heard under 3K ,2 reviewers say its only true value is as an all in one box and the Sound Quality is meh and you can do better for less $$$. and now this thread.
This is not what I was expecting.
I am going cancel my pre order I'm not convinced the DMP A8 is what I was hoping for sadly.
I wouldn't go so far as saying the sound quality is meh. I think it sounds wonderful. I just think people need to have fair and reasonable expectations.
I also agree that a dedicated subwoofer output would have made sense and to then tie the HPF/LPF to specific outputs which I don't think I saw an option for (but I didn't dive super deep on that)
I would absolutely love to see a video where you would take us through the proper use of DSP to set-up speakers. I'm really thinking of buying this unit to connect to my powered speakers, and the DSP function is clearly a USP for me
thanks!!!
It's on the way. Stay tuned towards the end of January 🙂
Wow what a insane do it all preamp. I am tempted to replace my old parasound P6 in my secondary setup with this to reduce the clutter of multiple boxes.
I have the A23+ and shopping a P6 but lately the used market for any P series Parasound has gone bonkers pricey.
I’m using a Sonos second gen connect into a Smsl SU-9 into the A23+ fantastic matching.
Always wondered if the P6 would be an improvement🤔
Yes, the DMP-A8 is a very capable, single box solution that also sounds brilliant.
Great review. Thank you! A tutorial on building convolution filters would be fantastic!
Glad you liked it! I've put a convolution filter video in the January schedule 🙂
Thank you for reviewing Eversolo A8. I have A6 and am thinking of switching to A8
Depending on what you need, it can be a nice upgrade. If you're only looking for better sound quality, an external DAC can get you even better gains if you don't mind an extra device in your stack.
I would be interested in an A6+ w/o DAC but with high end power supply, with this A8 DSP features and additionally full D2D functionality incl. all digital inputs and outputs. No DAC, no preamp.
I think you're not alone in that wish. Let's see if EverSolo have anything else up their sleeve... (That's not a hint - I have no idea)
Would be great if you can share more insights on:
1. How do you connect Umik 1 microphone and how calibration is done in Ecersolo dmp-a8.
2. Can active subwoofer be pluged via rca at the same time as stereo amp via xlr?
The Umik 1 explanation will come up in my convolution filter video, but you need a separate computer for that part (i.e. you don't connect it to the DMP-A8)
As for the active sub, yes, both the XLR and RCA can operate at the same time so you can definitely do that.
For using REW, you need to connect the mic to the PC and the PC to the DMP-A8.
Excellent review I was looking forward to the A8 review as whether to upgrade my A6 master edition the DSP function certainly has me interested but for the moment I’ll keep enjoying the A6 & wait to see if a master edition comes out of the A8.
I would be surprised if we see a Master Edition of the A8 because I have a feeling they've adopted the same components in the A8 as were used in the A6 Master. That said, unless you need the DSP, the jump in price doesn't equate to the jump in performance IMO.
@@PassionforSound That's what I call an honest unbiased opinion - thanks
Best answer of the year!!!@@PassionforSound
Excited to soak up your pending video on FIR and filters. I need this. Thanks.
I've opened a big can of worms for myself to sift through and research on this one. Buckle up! 😂
Sorry for being impatient. Quick peek looks like plug miniDSP UMIK-1 into REW. Select it as input source. Upload mic calibration file. Position mic at left ear position and run a measurement with long 20 / 20K sweep. Save output file as Left.wav then repeat for right. Then import those files in the A-8 FIR menu? I guess this will give the A-8 the basis to create a filter that's "opposite" of the measurement to theoretically reach a flat response? Thanks for entertaining all of our eager replies.@@PassionforSound
That's the basics of it, yes. The problem I've found with that though is that it's killing the imaging on my Harbeths. Any frequency response adjustment also risks producing timing/phase issues too and I think thats the problem, but I have to do more testing to get it right and be sure of what's going wrong.
Great. Thanks.@@PassionforSound
Eversolo didn't wait very long after releasing the A6 before releasing the A6 Master Edition. One of the upgrades in the master edition was an upgrade of the output op amps. If they remain true to their pattern of release there may be a Master Edition of the A8 with better output op amps in the future.
Can you remove the op amps, or are they soldered to the board?
That would be great if they're able to find an op-amp setup to get the most from the DAC stage.
As for swapping op-amps, I haven't opened it to have a look, but I believe they're a surface mount op-amp that's used so no easy swapping.
I would love to learn all about convolution/FIR filters
Nice reviews - good job ! I would like to know if the A8 sounds better than RME dac or Cambridge Audio CNX ... thanks
That's an interesting question and one I can't answer. What I can say is that the 4499EX chip used in the A8 has been preferable to me over any other chip-based DAC I've tried so far. In other words, if those are built around other chips, the A8 is likely better.
This is a great review. Seems very fair. I’m curious if the transport only function of the A8 is a noticeable step up from the A6. I have an A6 with a Denafrips Pontus ii connected via USB. Based on this review, I believe my current setup will be better than this setup but I’d be curious for your thoughts. So many people just want a great streamer and already have high quality DACs.
I'd recommend staying with what you have. As the DMP-A6 + Geshelli J2S comparison showed (although I didn't explicitly call it out), the streaming stage via digital output offers no significant benefit of you're using an external DAC.
Im debating between the a8 vs a6+denafrips combo. Are you using the preamp from the a6 with your setup or do you use an external preamp and power amp or integrated amp?
I use either an integrated (Enleum AMP-23R) or pre-amp (Burson Soloist Voyager) and Monoblocks (Burson Timekeeper GT) so I don't use the preamp out from the A6. That said, it's a lossless control at the digital side of things so it's a perfectly good option for a variable output.
I just want to take a moment and thank you for your quality content. It is much appreciated!
My pleasure! I'm glad you like it. 🙂
Thanks for the great review. Any thoughts on further comparisons vs the A6 with the LHY LPS-A6 Linear Power Supply upgrade? Sounds like that might be the way to go when paired with the Geshelli J2S AK4499 to clearly surpass the A8 at a cheaper price.
I don't plan to test the power supply for the A6 because I've got too much other gear to get to, but it would likely be a nice addition
Hello , new subscriber here.
Got a link to the geshelli lab DAC?
I see one for a lot cheaper than you mentioned but I’m in the US. What DAC chip do you have?
Thx
Thanks for the sub!
Here's a link to the DAC. You can choose how to spec this DAC from the Geshelli store (at the link). My version used for this video has the Sparkos Labs op-amps and the AK4499EX DAC chip.
Hi,
Good review and advice!
Which external cd drive would you recommend to play with DMP-A6
I'm not familiar with all the options available. I have a Pioneer USB CD/DVD/Blu-ray (I think?) drive
Thanks for the detailed review! You are clearly very knowledgable in the technical aspects of the music world as well. I have a Lumin T2 which I use to stream Tidal and use its XLR outputs (internal DAC) into my McIntosh preamp. I'm wondering if the A6 (XLR out) will use its internal DAC and is a suitable replacement for my Lumin. Or is the A8 with its internal DAC a better replacement in my case? Or are the A6 and A8 comparable while using XLR out? Thanks once again.
The A8 has the better DAC so it will outperform the A6 if you're using the XLR outputs. That would be my recommendation.
Thanks you.@@PassionforSound
I found the T2 more analogue/smooth sounding when i demeod bs the a6 (which i found to have a more brittle/digital presentation).
Thanks for the great review. I have a Musical Fidelity M5Si going into B&W 704 S2 speakers and wanted to upgrade my digital steamer/DAC from Sonos connect to the Eversolo DMP-A6 but might now save up a bit more for the A8. Would you recommend I also connect my Rotel CD11 player through the Eversolo to take advantage of the DAC?
I’m also curious about the potential lower price and deeper sound stage you mentioned with the combination of the A6 and Geshelli DAC but not sure where I can buy this DAC in Australia
The A8 is definitely the better DAC compared to the one in the A6 so that's a worthwhile consideration. As for the A6 + Geshelli J2S option, you can buy direct from Geshelli unless you're outside a metro city in Australia. You should see options here on their store for shipping direct: bit.ly/J2SAKM
@@PassionforSoundthanks so much for the response. I’ll definitely look into it. What’s your thoughts on whether I should feed my cd player through the Eversolo DAC rather than direct to my M5Si with rca connections?
Without knowing the M5Si specifically, I'd probably suggest going direct to that. There's rarely a value in adding a preamp if you already have volume control
We need a comparison of the a6 master edition with the upgraded power supply vs this to get an idea what's the best value. The power supply looks fairly similar. Power supply from the denafrips distributor
Does it have a sub out?
I'm afraid it's unlikely I'll be getting a Master Edition in. As a pure streamer, I doubt there'll be any difference. If you're using the DAC though, the 4499EX chips in the A8 are a clear step up from any other current 'off-the-shelf' DAC chip I've heard
Great review and information!
I would love to know how it compares to the new Marantz CD50n in terms of sound quality
Glad you liked the review. I haven't tried the Marantz so I can't help with that - sorry!
I just want it for the audio visualizer display. Seems like an expensive way to get a spectrum analyzer or vu meters but it's the only option on the market for under $5,000 besides the HiFi Rose. I'm upgrading from my old analog stereo from the 80s and it's been an infuriating shopping experience to find a modern digital hifi system that has a visual display of any sort. I've been shopping for a few years now was almost ready to give up and just keep my old Kenwood 2 channel A/V receiver with EQ, CD player and add some new speakers. Finally I have found a device with digital inputs that I can connect to a newer power amp with newer speakers. It's been about 5 years since I started shopping to upgrade to the new digital age of audio. Finally the industry is bringing back the visualizer. Streaming music is still new to me but the Eversolo is what finally motivated me to take the plunge.
The DMP-A6 offers much of the same functionality, including the VU meters, touch screen, etc.
Thank you for the excellent review. Another review of the a8, I believe from the British Audiophile, says a preamp was needed for better sound. Wondering your thoughts on that and if you have suggestions for a good power amp (or preamp + power amp or integrated amp) to pair with Eversolo.
I don't do a lot of speaker listening and have higher quality preamps already so I haven't properly tested the preamp on this. I do believe he is correct though. The only integrated amps I can suggest from experience are the Enleum AMP-23R and Linear Tube Audio MZ3, but both are a bit unique and won't suit everyone.
Alternatively, a few of the headphone amps I've reviewed are also very good preamps (Burson Soloist GT or Voyager, etc.) but I'm not sure if you also need a headphone amp.
Stellar review! I own the A6, which I'm only using as a streamer with a phone-sized display and a decent remote control via my smartphone. I running it with the Qutest/SBooster and Wandla as alternative DACs and then the Ferrum Oor/Hypsos amp and power supply. If I upgrade to the A8, it will be to get an upgraded streamer and DSP.
Yep. The A6 is brilliant already for your setup.
How do you rate it as DAC vs the Wandla?
@@trun1979 I don't yet have an answer. I bought the A6 and the A8 to compare the two against each other, as well as to compare their DACs against the Qutest and the Wandla. A/Bing is clumsy, clunky affair.
I can tell you that the streamer sounds great. Running it, in pass-through mode, it's really impressive. Both the Qutest and the Wandla were as clear and detailed as I've ever heard them, with fresh artifacts popping out from songs I'd heard for decades.
My intent was simply to use one of these devices as a streamer and keep my Qutest and Wandla as external DACs. Considering the Qutest to cost 3X the A6 and the Wandla to cost a thousand more than the A8, all I wanted was the best streamer I could get for less than the price of the HiFi Rose. I also couldn't resist that 6 inch display.
The A8 is reputed to have a better DAC because of its AKM chips, though it doesn't hurt that it also comes packed with dual Femto clocks and a hybrid PSU. I started listening to it first and it's incredible. Going back to the A6 (to listen to its DAC) just happened. I'm barely into it even as we speak. All I can say, a few tracks in, is that I'm surprised and dazzled. I don't yet hear anything disappointing. I'm not yet hearing the step down I should be hearing from the lesser sibling in EverSolo's pair of integrated streamer/DAC/amplifier combos.
Hi. I wonder about this comparison. I know you are a Chord user and enthusiast.
I use high-class Sveda Audio active loudspeakers.
When I bought the DMP A6, I sold the Chord Qutest. I could remove additional devices from the audio path; The Qutest had no volume control, no XLR outputs, and although it sounded better than the "A6", the instruments did not have their natural mass, they seemed slimmer.
The Qutest sounded nicer, had better soundstage and detail, but with the standard "A6" I listened more to the music than what it sounded like.
I wonder what "A8" sounds like to your ears compared to the Chord Qutest. Are you able to share your impressions?
Unfortunately, I don't have the Qutest anymore to be able to say. What I know from various experiences though is that the Chord DACs produce more depth in the soundstage. Most chip-based Delta Sigma DACs tend to flatten out the stage which can bring everything forward into more of a wall of sound. This can create that sense of density that you're talking about with the instruments so I imagine it's that that you're preferring.
The A8 will sit somewhere between the A6 and the Qutest in that regard because the AK4499EX chips produce more depth, but not as much as the Chord DACs.
I like "analog" playing, where the instruments have their own natural mass and body.
From my experience, there was no more air in the presentation of space in Qutes, I had it in the system for 5 years! Qutest had more details; you could listen to every line of the instruments. The message was dynamic, but on the other hand "velvet", this was all a plus.
However, it lacked mass and descent.
Maybe you need to change the Delta sigma to the R2R DAC, which in the future will become a partner for the "A8", which will be at my place next week.
Thank you for your answer. Regards! 🙂@@PassionforSound
I have one in the living room. Its really amazing, the quality is so clean!
Not a huge jump in performance? I had thought so. Thnk u for the eye opening review.
My pleasure. The upgrade is noticeable, but not huge IMO.
theres chance you can hear that way, 3 point difference will guarantee huge improvement, although experienced ears im sure find 1 difference tobe huge
Great review. Question: I own a good amount of multichannel (including SACD, DVD-A & PABD 5.1 channel and other) content and have been looking for a streamer and overall player to manage the library I´ve stored in my NAS through DLNA. Reading the user manual for the A6 and A8, they do state that the A6 handles multichannel through its HDMI out port, whereas the A8 lacks such a port, and instead, it has an IIS out jack that could only be connected to an external DAC with an IIS input port. Am I missing something or it is true that the manufacturers of Eversolo did not include this functionality on the A8?
As far as I know, they didn't include it. I'd actually forgotten the A6 had HDMI too. I don't use multi channel so haven't explored this properly, but I think you have it right.
Wonderful improvement over the A6, but it lacks an I2s input--especially useful since the A8 has an excellent DAC that one would like to use for other sources.
I agree that an IIS input would have been nice.
@@PassionforSound why ?
Because it's a nice connection to have.
It has IIS? What's the difference?@@PassionforSound
I'm not sure what you mean about "what's the difference?" but IIS uses an HDMI connection to carry the digital data using the protocol that's used on the inside of DACs. In my experience, it often produces a slightly better sound than other connection types - perhaps due to better noise rejection, the fact that it carries timing data, and/or some other factors I'm unaware of.
Quick question.
could I use the coaxial out to my DAC(amp, speakers etc) at the same time as RCA analogue out to my subwoofer?
thanks for the really good review.
Glad you liked the review! Unfortunately, while you could have both connected and quickly and easily toggle via the app or the touch screen, but they won't both run simultaneously.
Would definitely like to see the video on using filters etc. This is something that just doesn't get looked at enough. Its just accepted that we all know everything. 😂
Done. It's scheduled for January. 🙂
I have a custom tube preamp, dedicated NuPrime DAC, and Wiim Pro streamer. Three boxes which I don’t mind but I do like this since it checks all the boxes including balanced pre-amp. One unit going into my Mark Levinson amp is tempting.
That's what I love about it too!
I'm waiting on the DMP-A10 before deciding on the DMP-A12 and buying the DMP-A14.
LoL. Hopefully EverSolo won't be one of "those" brands. So far they appear to be even-handed in their product development (no new DACs since the Z6 and Z8)
Nice honest review! At least the A6 owners can sleep tightly ROFL!
I think it's a really good balance. For those just wanting a nice streamer box for an external DAC, the A6 is perfect. For those wanting a super powerful all-in-one, the A8 is amazing!
why didnt you compare the digital out of the A8 vs digital of A6 to compare the streaming? No difference?
Yep. No discernible difference so I focussed on other comparisons for the sake of time.
@@PassionforSound thanks!
The most comprehensive review I have heard. Question, hopefully not a stupid one. I have a very nice Mark Levinson Preamp. Does it make sense to continuing using this? My plan is to migrate to the 23 century from the CD world. Love the fact there is on board storage up to 4 TB. Let me know your thoughts.
So glad you liked the review! If your pre-amp is only a pre-amp and not doing any other duties then it's maybe not required once you have a DMP-A8. It's quite possible that the Levinson could be a better pre-amp, but it will depend on whether you're running any other sources through it. Because a pre-amp's job is to be transparent, it will only sound as good as what's before it in the chain spot won't be adding anything to the DMP-A8 by adding it. However, if you're still going to run CDs via a separate transport/player and not using the DMP-A8 for the CDs, then there may be some value in keeping the Levinson. Hopefully that all makes sense.
@@PassionforSound Thanks so for your reply! FYI, many others on Facebook have pointed me to your review of the DMP-A8.. again due to your practical experience and comprehensive details, Its well received! To follow up on your response, I only use my Levinson to listen to CD's, that's it. I am still educating my self in this arena and really appreciate others insight. My first and most important requirement is to select an excellent quality DAC followed by a platform that can accommodate my CD collection, the 4tb storage is ample. Streaming is new to me as an audiophile, assuming the right quality DAC, high quality cabling, using sources like Tidal 24/192 backed by a good connection internet connection with class A equipment should satisfy? I am on the fence, do I need a Streamer/DAC/Storage/Preamp..or do i need a DAC/Streamer/Storage and continue to use my Levinson.? My Levinson is fantastic! really made a difference
It's really hard to answer that question for you. I think the best bet, if possible, would be to grab the A8 and try it as a streamer/DAC into the Levinson, and then remove the Levinson and try the sound direct from the A8. If you feel like the A8 is as good or better then you're all set to relocate or sell the Levinson.
@@PassionforSound Thank you so. much! That makes sense to me! Mark
Where can I grab this 23rd century tech? Do you have a time machine@@markbastin8583
As a streamer only . Would the a8 be better sounding due to power supply ect .. I have an external bifrost 2 dac and marantz pm11s3 for preamp . Just want the best streamer to use Apple Music
It might have a VERY slight edge, but it wasn't enough that I noticed a difference in my comparisons so you'd really have to go hunting for it.
Today I did a massive auditing, a6, a6 master and a8, and I noticed quite the big step up regarding soundstage, at least more noticeble on big speakers. I even went as far throwing a tt2 in the test. What I noticed was a6 master was noticible better than the a6 but just a little. De a8 however had quite a big stage. Then I compared the a8 to the tt2 digital and I noticed the tt2 lost a little of the stage (compared to the a8) but gave smoothness for it back, and a little calmer sound. As a total I found that the a8 was quite a big difference, and even though the tt2 sounded smoother, it was not like 3 times better. (A6 did not have a change in that compare)
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
Hi! It would be really great if you could make tutorial video how to get best out of DSP functions, especially how to successfully use FIR filter option.
I've scheduled it in for January. Stay tuned 🙂
@@PassionforSound Great news, thanks!
I definitely want to learn more about FIR filter. Do we need a computer for the setup? Or we just plugin the mic in to the device itself? Please make a video 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I've got one scheduled for January. You need a computer for the measurements, but not after that.
Thanks for the reply. Looking forward for the tutorial 😊
I am looking for a streamer/dac and am waiting for the DMP-A8 to hit the stores. But up till now I was more aiming for the 3000,- range (with the Auralic altair g1.1, Atoll ST300 or the Naim ND5 XS2). Would the DMP-A8 come close to these or are the 3 mentioned (and other in the 3000,- range) in another league?
I can't compare directly to those as yet, but based on my testing, it probably comes down to whether you need a dedicated streamer or whether you want the built-in DAC, DSP and pre-amp. My test with the DMP-A6 and J2S DAC showed that you might as well just get the DMP-A6 if you're looking for just a streamer. I've got the new Lumin D3 coming in for review soon so hopefully that will give me a good point of comparison to see how a dedicated streamer compares against these do-it-all boxes.
I gotta ask :) on 15:00 when you compared with j2s DAC you said that 'they are very very close ' sound wise .. and 20 secs later you said that the j2s is better in a few parameters.. just curious to know if from your point of view they are really more close in comparison sound quality then far that you can hear noticeable upgrade on the j2s . Thanks 🙏
When you get two DACs at a similar level like this, the first impression of them will often be that there's no difference at all. That's because the obvious characteristics like resolution and overall tonal character are about the same. When you listen a bit deeper though, you'll sometimes find that there are differences. In the case of the J2S, the quality of the op-amps in the output stage were helping to improve things like soundstage depth and bass extension/weight IIRC.
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I see what you mean .
Thank you 🙏
Could you use the RCA analogue output to a sub while using the XLR outputs to a power amp?
Absolutely! You can choose if both outputs are used at the same time.
Thanks for the thorough review. You mentioned it won’t function as a USB bridge device converting a usb input signal to a spdif out.
I am wondering if it allows the opposite though-convert a spdif input signal to a usb out?
Many thanks.
Hmmmm... I don't currently have a DAC connected to the USB socket so perhaps the system is smart and only shows USB when it's connected. If I select optical or coaxial at the moment, it shows the analog outputs and IIS so there's hope. Let me check when I can attach a DAC...
So kind of you to check. Thanks! @@PassionforSound
No problems, but sadly, I have bad news. The USB output is only available when using the internal player for local or streamed files.
I suspected as much, but many thanks for the confirmation. @@PassionforSound
Eversolo is a sister company of Zidoo who makes some of the best Android boxes around. I always wondered what the difference between ES & Z products were...and it's actually pretty simple. Eversolo is AUDIO Only... so is a streaming device, while Zidoo include the 4K video side. The equivalent to this on the Zidoo (video) side is the Neo Alpha, but at almost 3 grand!
I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for sharing!
See if you can get your hands on a Zidoo Neo Alpha and I think you'll be blown away. Not only does it have the top-line Sabre 9038 Pro DAC, but it has balanced analog preamp outputs to run directly into an amp, multiple power supplies to handle all the separate components, every quality Bluetooth codec imaginable, split HDMI to optimize audio and video, and some of the best Japanese circuitry with high-end Elna capacitors and such. Oh yeah, and it plays nearly every VIDEO file under the sun. If I didn't already have an Oppo 205 that repeats many of these functions...I would probably get it in a heartbeat.
Thanks for letting me know!
Yes, would like to learn more about your experience with convolution for response correction.
Great! It's already recorded and it's coming soon.
Was just about to check on this. Eager to see it. Ready to dial in my room. Thanks in advance.
Here is my dilemma: I currently like the internal dac in my Hegel H190. Is the dac in the A8 that much better? If not, I had rather buy the a6 master edition and digital out to my Hegel dac. Thoughts?
I can't tell which DAC chip is in the H190. It's an AKM, but unlikely to be the AK4499EX which was only released about a year ago (I think the H190 has been around longer than that, yes?)
So, the A8 is likely to be better in terms of depth in the soundstage, but might not be significantly different in other ways.
I'm interested in a video with how to correct frequencies with DSP's as the one in the A8. :)
I've scheduled one for January 🙂
Great review!!!!! Very informative and easy to understand great 👍👍
I'm so glad that you liked it!
Very interesting 🧐 and thanks, but for music you still choose the Chord Hugo. So, having the Chord Qutest, I will wait what Chord brings to the table, probably next year at the CES.
It's the Hugo TT2 that I use, not the Hugo (although the Hugo and Qutest are excellent). 🙂
Would you either prefer an A6 oder Bluesound Node with external dac or an A8? Or do you think also a Wiim Pro plus with external dac is okay?
It depends a lot on what you're looking for. The A8 has features that the others do not, but if you don't need those features, something like the A6 (particularly the Master Edition) with a quality external DAC can be just as good or better. The WiiMs are also good, but can't match the higher end streamers with a decent DAC.
So much GAS ;). Will the Roon remote control the volume of the DMP A8? Running into power amp at the moment and controlling Node2i output from Roon app. Cheers.
Until the A8 becomes Roon compatible,.I can't be sure. IIRC, it does control the DMP-A6 so, if you're streaming to it (not using it as a preamp) it should do, I think.
@@PassionforSound Hi thanks for response, so is the preamp only for inputs? I understood it like a Preamp that one would use with a poweramp for separates. Thanks.
There is preamp/volume control over all outputs (DAC, streaming, analog inputs). My point was more that there'd be no way to control the volume from Roon when you are using the analog inputs. Sorry for the confusion.
@@PassionforSound all good. And never be sorry ;). I appreciate all the help and work you do here. So I assume it would work the same as the Node2i currently does where I control volume from Roon App. Cheers again!
Yes, just like that. 🙂
I am definitely interested in the "how to" video for the filters.
It's been recorded! 🙂 Editing when I get back from holidays and releasing in January.
Hello,
With The parametric EQ I can EQ my Headphones to get that Harman Curve (Target frequency response) If I wat to, so that's a really excellent and welcome feature!
But the DAC sound quality have to be better for the asking price (After I Heard the comparison with the Geshelli Labs J2S)...
Thanks for the important comparison...
The DAC is just one part of 3 or 4 major functions of this device. Judging it for the DAC quality without considering all it does is unreasonable. After all, the J2S can't do volume control, streaming, Bluetooth, or DSP. Both have different purposes.
@@PassionforSound To me it's reasonable because it's one part in the chain, so in this case, I will prefer to buy a seperated DAC, Streamer and Headphones AMP if my number 1 priority is the sound quality.
Enjoy
That's always a good choice. Separates will almost always provide better sound quality for the same total cost - they're just less convenient (but worth it IMO).
How would it compare to the Topping D70 Octo/ DX9, or Gustard A26 used as a dac and volume control regarding the sound quality? I am looking for a natural sounding dac, so mostly looking for akm dacs.
I think it's probably on par with the OCTO, but a bit different (OCTO is a bit chunkier sounding). I haven't tried the other two DACs you mentioned, but would expect the A26 to be even better based on my experiences with the R26.
I like that it has built in EQ. That is likely going to make it my next streamer. Only thing I see it seems to lack is the ability to control volume balance left / right. If it included this then it could be used with the high end amps that have no balance control which I need to accomodate a crappy left ear.
It is unfortunate that the analog inputs cannot run through the DSP though.
It would be hard to have DSP for analogue input. You would need to convert the analogue to digital apply the eq then reconverted it to analogue
I was surprised to not see a balance control in the DSP. I can't recall if there's balance control buried somewhere else, but agree that it would have been nice to include.
There is now a beta/alpha firmware for the A6 (1.2.36) supporting the full EQ and PEQ from the A8
@@PassionforSoundInformation I have seen in forums says the next firmware update will likely include balance control. Maybe this will be over the next several months.
I would definitely like a convolution filter walk through video.
It's on the way. Scheduled for January.
I do like your reviews, but do you get to keep this piece of gear?
Yes, I do. I discussed it in detail here: ruclips.net/video/7OKOlGyWte8/видео.htmlsi=IvjbGMDPI5gizwfb
I'm very curious to know what the quality of the preamp is compared to a tubed McIntosh or a tubed Conrad Johnson Act2. If anyone has any idea how they would compare please let me know... My first thoughts are that the Eversolo wouldn't even come close. ?
The moment you add tubes, they're going to have very different character so it's a tough comparison. I'd say the DMP-A8 preamp is ok, but it won't match a dedicated pre-amp of around $1,000-1,500+
Hello Lachlan, thank you for the review ❗️ 🔆 Off the topic what would you recommend for about $1000 home set up listening mainly IEMs? Thank you ❤️🙋♂️
I can't go past the Chord Mojo 2 as a do-it-all IEM setup. Feed it from a phone or computer and it will drive every possible IEM to perfection.
Yes I am looking at that and DC elite...but for home use all in one also ifi dsd2...✌️😁
I haven't tried the current iDSD, but based on the older ones and the original Mojo, the Chord would still be my choice.
Thank you Lachlan ❤️👍
Hey ! Thank you for the review .
I have a question.. today I'm with ferrum Erco and gsx mini . I use the Erco with line out to my mini .
Do you think I'll have a better result sound wise with the eversolo amp a 8 DAC over the Erco DAC ? I'll really appreciate your help here
That's a tough one to answer because I haven't tried the Erco. Knowing that it uses the ES9028Pro chip, the A8 has the upper hand there with its AK4499EX, but the output stage might be better from the Erco - I don't know.
Another key question is how you're feeding the DAC. If you're going to use the streamer stage in the DMP-A8 then that can provide benefits over other sources like USB from a PC or Mac and that could also be in favour of the A8. As I said, it's hard for me to give a clear answer though...
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Thank you very much for the reply I appreciate it🙏 yeah today I'm with a high quality USB to my DAC . But then again , a streamer ofc is much more convenient but if you say that above all the chip of the eversolo is on the upper hand it make my choice easier .
Yes, I think you'll find the combination of streaming to the DMP-A8 plus the better internal chip, might make it the better overall choice.
There's an important question I can't quite find an answer to. I have an Audio Research analog M-Ch preamp that is absolutely state-of-the-art... running an Oppo 205 and now possibly this device. I know it can be done in the A6 but can the A8 disable the internal volume/ volume bypass if you're running it into a preamp that already has a volume control? The AR preamp will blow the doors off anything this offers but I don't see that bypass option on the A8 touch screen which is a big concern.
BTW: the people behind the design is from Zidoo, which is their parent company and well known for making some of the best "Android TV boxes". They have a potent Audio PLUS video product called the Neo Alpha that would be great if you could get in review to compare!
There's no bypass option that I've found in the software, but if you max the volume, it should bypass the pre-amp circuit, I believe (that's how I use it).
It's unlikely I'll look at the Zidoo gear, I'm afraid, simply because I'm an audio focused channel, but you never know...
I have been using the similar Eweat (MyMei) DMP-50 streamer DAC for the past year. I believe Eweat is the OEM for Eversolo and Zidoo. The Eweat has been excellent and the company has released firmware and app updates. It's only failing atm is that it doesn't do gapless playback.
Interesting! Yet another brand I've not heard of. Thanks for sharing.
@@PassionforSound I got it for $1664AU back in August 2022 from their online store in Ali. They now have it at $3173AU which is way too much given the DMP-A8's price. That said, the DMP50 is really high quality product using two ESS9038 Pro chips, decodes DSD512 and weighs 8.5kg. They also claim to use genuine German Wima and Japanese Elna caps in it. Just a shame it has no gapless playback.
I also have a Chord DAC, and I tried the DMP-A6, but chose to return it due to among other things the inflexible way of choosing outputs. On the A8, would it be possible to "loop in" the Chord as the DAC? Meaning using one of the digital outputs "always on" but the sending the Chord balanced output back into the A8 and using the preamp there? I also have a turmtable, so I would need both analog inputs. If this was possible I could replace my current preamp... (Sorry, I almost confused myself there...)
Haha. Yes, that's a little circuitous! All good though, I understand. Unfortunately, there's no way to make that work with the DMP-A8. ☹️
Any chance you can test whether the hqplayer dsd output to those akm dac chips makes a difference?
I don't use HQ Player anymore so probably not. Sorry! I'd expect it will be the same as most other DACs without a NOS mode in that the sound will still be better.
Seems a bit disappointing really. Sounds like you had to ‘imagine’ sound differences that were so subtle as to be negligible. And you didn’t test A6 vs A8 using a high quality external doc, but seems as though there would be minimal difference, thus making A6 the better purchase for this use case.
There was no imagining going on and the test with the J2S tells us all we need to know which is that using an external DAC renders each of these equivalent as streamers only and, therefore, the A6 with a top notch DAC is better than the A8 without an external DAC (unless you need DSP / preamp functionality).
If you want a single box solution that sounds great and has lots of functionality, the A8 is pretty hard to go past.
I just got a Eversolo DMP - A8 and it sounds harsh!
I tried using the parametric EQ and everything that I could find on the unit to try and make it less harsh but it seems that most of it has zero effect. It seems as if they EQ and sound adjustment does not work. I downloaded Apple Music onto the unit.
It seems some of the Internet radio stations. The high-quality stuff is less harsh. I also watched and listened to TV through it.
How do you get this thing to not be so harsh?
Thank you.
Sorry to hear that! What are you comparing it to? What did you come from?
As for the EQ, if it's not working, you might not have activated the DSP overall. I think you need to switch that on in addition to setting the EQ settings.
I have tried with zero to little success. Someone should make a series on how to take full advantage of all the features and capabilities of the A8!@@PassionforSound
If I had the time, I'd love to, but to make an instructional video for a single product is hard in amongst all the reviews I have in the queue.
Maybe check out some of the forums and see if someone there can guide you through it.
Lachlan whats a proper upgrade from an smsl a0200? Looking dynamics, better separation and more airy resolution
I haven't done enough reviewing of speaker amps to have that answer just yet. What's your budget?
@@PassionforSoundoh nvm its the h0200! The headphone amp. Budget is 500-1000
The Geshelli Labs A3 Pro is a definite winner in that range. The new Aune S17 Pro might be a good choice too, but I'm yet to try it.
I was following this product since early awareness. And finally was able to aquire one.
It delivers on the emotion in music, which is what I was drawn to. I was in heaven! I have a pair of Cornwall IV performing as well, so its nice
But, and this is so so frustrating
It startted to distort only three days after unboxing, only resolved through factory reset.
Support is 12 hours off from me, and I had to knock pretty hard on the "door" to get attention
They reproduced this issue - not sure what that means, but it has not happened again. So I just wait ?
Then 12 hours ago, bluetooth failed. It shows up as an end point, but plays nothing.
So, again, I wait
And the promise of such fantastic music reproduction is locked behind a wall harder to solve than with money, attention to "detail", and user "experience"
I feel like I fell for a box of features, with no substance
Lets see
So, what would be a good replacement ?
I'm so sorry to read this. It sounds like you got a dud. I'd be seeking a replacement unit because I've not heard a single other report of issues with the A8 and mine hasn't skipped a beat.
@@PassionforSound I have an update - long story - part user error. Still want to confirm this with EverSolo.
So here is what happenned - when I unboxerd it I hooked it up to my Klipsch Fives in my offce first through RCA. It was handy.
I set it up so I could run XLR out to my listenning area, and when in my office use the RCA.
The office has several sources, all prettu much bluetooth. Not looking for critical listenning, just less apps to use ;-)
Fast forward a week, I'm very happy enjoying the emotion it brings out in my Cornwall IVs.
In between I ordered a Tos-Link optical cable to replace the RCA feed in the office from the EverSolo to the Fives. This was for internal streaming and when I wanted to shoot my desktop over to it.
So, I replaced the RCA cables with optical, and did some streaming - sounds great!
Never ever thought I setup a blue-tooth black-hole of sorts.
When I see the DMP-A8 as a bluetooth audio device on my windows machine, I figure - OK, lets connect.
I do, and no audio....
That lead me down a rat-hole - because, it was a live BT end point, it connected, what's up ?
Streaming worked over the optical.
So what gives.
That is when I did my reboot, reset thing - no change. Rebooted windows, tried an iPhone, no change.
The next morning, I was back in settings just looking around. Of course I had already scoured the internet - and their user manual - nothing connected
I'm in the APP and I notice when I click input to bluetooth, my optical-out goes grey ???
Yeah - that was it, apparently bluetooth-in does not conduct through to optical or coax. Any SPDIF.
Never saw that coming.
And the kicker is that the bluetooth end point is still up, and accepts connections, like it is there and ready.
So - more to come
It worked before,
The bluetooth-in, not being able to route through optical-out, is apparenty a feaure, not a bug.
They just confirmed.
Engineering said there is no digital out path fopr digital inputs ?...
I said, what about your internal streamer/dac? That goes out digital.
He said no, engineering told him only analog lliek RCA/XLR, USB, and IIS
At that point (if you see the contradiction) I stopped
Seems weird
That's a surprise that BT can't go out via optical. I knew that the general digital inputs didn't, but I wasn't sure of why.
They probably do have a good reason for not going digital to digital (except for network streamed content), but these subtleties do get lost in translation often.
The review to me seems extremely honest. Very detailed review of each aspect of dmp A8.I would like to request you to put Volumio Rivo on your list for detailed review. Thanks
I'm glad you feel that way. I'll see what I can arrange with Volumio. 🙂
If I understood right, the analog input is not converted to digital and send to any of the digital outputs? If not then as pre-amp for a digital/analog combo source system, the DMP-A8 is not an ideal solution in front of digital active loudspeaker.
That is correct. The analog inputs go via the R2R volume ladder and then out the analog outputs only.
Can specific parametric EQs be run for each individual output? As in a a high pass filter for the L&R balanced outputs going to the speakers but a low pass filter for the L&R unbalanced outputs going to the sub(s)?
No, unfortunately not. It's one set of DSP settings across all inputs and outputs. ☹️
This is the problem with reviews. Soundnews Channel thinks the difference between the A6 and A8 is not subtle. But hey it is what it is. Soundnews also mentioned the A8 matches DAC of the same price.
I think Soundnews and Steve Huff (who said it sounds better than the A6) were testing the A8 with much better amps than what are being used here.
Steve was very clear in stating if your system is not highly resolving don’t chase the A8 the A6 will serve you just fine.
I believe that’s the case here the test support equipment being used are meh at best in my opinion.
Not defending the A8 but system matching is very important in any evaluation.
This video did mention system synchronicity@@balooo2863
I tend to err towards understating differences because I feel like there's too much hyperbole in our hobby. I also stand by what I said in this video that the differences are noticeable and significant, but not dramatic. Anyone expecting a huge leap in their system by going from the A6 to the A8 could be disappointed. If they're expecting an incremental improvement, they'll more likely be satisfied.
As for the quality of gear used, the Burson Timekeeper GTs, Enleum AMP-23R, Burson Soloist 3X GT and Cen.Grand Silver Fox driving Focal Utopias, Meze Elites and ZMF Calderas should all be suitably resolving I'd say.
About outputting the digital signal via the IIS connector...will the DSP functionality of the A8 work on the signal before it heads over to an external DAC, or does the signal bypass the DSP altogether?
The DSP applies to digital outputs too 🙂. Everything except the pre-amp outputs goes via the DSP (if you use it)
@@PassionforSound Thanks for responding. I sent an email to Eversolo after posting here, asking specifically if the IIS output signal gets DSP, and here is what they said:
Regarding the issue: please kindly note that IIS output has not undergone DSP processing in the A8.
Best regards,
Eversolo
Oh crap! Sorry for the wrong information. I'm so glad you checked. Because the other digital outputs respond to DSP, I figured they all would.
@@PassionforSound no prob. like everyone here I appreciate all the time and effort you put into doing these vids. and appreciate your straight up reviews. thanks much.
Just a heads up, there is now a alpha firmware version for the A6 1.2.36 available (I have tested it) has the full EQ and PEQ from the A8, nice job from eversolo
Yes. I heard about this recently too. They're excellent with their firmware updates, etc.
Hmm, what is IIS?
Is it like the old tape loop functionality of old analog equipment but in digital form???
IIS is the protocol used internally by DACs to transmit data. They use it on some devices as a digital input via the HDMI socket and it often sounds better than other inputs.
Lets hope they send one to ASR for testing.
It would be nice if you able to present the actual unit touch operations, any difference with the response compare to the old one. We need a comparison side by side. Your opinion is ok, but i want to see the actual operation.
I'm not really clear on what you mean. All of the on-screen footage showed the operations of the device in the clearest way possible (i.e. without my hands in the way)
I don't understand this unit. I have an A6, btw,, and love it. But this is not an 'all-in-one' box unless you have powered speakers. When I saw the photo, I thought, 'perfect, they're coming out with an integrated amp/streamer'. Not this round. I have a Marantz Reference integrated and SACD player ditto. I now run the digital out from the CD player into the A6 (altho it won't support SACDs). My integrated has built-in MC/MM turntable support. This A8 seems to just have a line in which you mention you can use for a turntable. But it's unclear if that's for one of these newer turntables with its own built-in phono stage, or if it can support a regular turntable with at least a MM cartridge. So most likely with a setup like mine, you would have to buy an external phono stage. And then, of course, you need a seperate outboard phono stage, not to mention an amplifier. Still no built-in headphone amp either. So I'm mystified as to how this is a 'one-box solution.' Now, if down the road they actually DO come out with a one-box solution, as in an integrated amp with MM/MC capability, internal headphone amp, and a 100wpc integrated amplifier, I'd be interested.
PS in my second system in another residence, I have a Bluesound Powernode which is more like a one box solution to me. I don't have a turntable or CD player there, just streaming, and I run the TV sound thru the built-in eArc. And it has can capability. The DAC sucks, but in a modest system it does the job and at half the price of the A8.
It's a one-box solution in the sense that it has streaming, DAC and preamp covered. For people running a streamer and DAC and preamp before a poweramp or active speakers, this solves a lot of issues. No one product is going to suit all people.
As for the turntable question, it will depend on the turntable you have. The A8 can add 10dB of gain to the analog inputs so it will depend on the output of your turntable and whether it's got a built-in phono pre-amp or not.
Do you guys think there will be a master edition here too and one should wait?
It's hard to be sure, but it looked to me like the A6 Master Edition was almost a prototype of what they planned for the A8 so I don't know if they'll go another step up.
In a one for all, the A8 is an awesome choice. But the A6 is what more are going to buy I suspect. Eversolo is all about home runs, and look out, there is more coming. Color me impressed with this company.
I agree. They have clearly put together an excellent design team.
Do you peg the streamer at the same level as their standalone DAC? Or would you have a streamer to their DAC, in particular?
I think the DAC in the A8 is superior to the DAC in the Z8 thanks to the new AKM chips in the streamer so I'd just go for the DMP-A8
@PassionforSound that combo is super tempting on the portable side for the new Fiio Q15 but that sucker is as big as my phone and half a LB defeating the purpose of the BTR7 🤭😭
Can the DSP be used when the A8 is set with an external DAC? Also just as a simple transport (with an external DAC) how is the A8 sound vs the A6?
Yes, the DSP can be used before outputting to an external DAC.
As a pure streamer with an external DAC, the A6 and A8 are essentially interchangeable.
@@PassionforSound Thanks for your answer. So they are both bright then. Not something I wanted to hear as I really dislike the A6s sound signature and hoped the A8 would be warmer with more rolled off highs.
I wouldn't describe either as bright at all. I suspect what's going on here is more about where your reference point lies. If you need a warmer sounding DAC, that's fine. I just want to clarify for anyone else reading this, that the A6 and A8 are not bright in the scheme of things.
@@PassionforSound I have a warm R2R DAC (Rockna Wavelight), I wanted a transport for it and the Eversolo A6 is bright (brighter than my mini pc or a Moon Mind 2 that I also tested), I hoped the A8 would be warmer, but i'm guessing it is not from what you are saying. Again, just as a Transport, not interested in it's DAC.
So, you're saying that the streaming stage is bright when feeding your Rockna DAC?