Why Touma Forgives Terrible People
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Short answer: He's anime Jesus
naruto?
@blacksmith679 nah, he's like the sun or something like that
Damn right you are
literally most likely. I bet the author literally based him on jesus lmao. Touma and his loli apostoles LMAO
Not Jesus already exist on ToAru just never appear until now
Well, I find Touma's compassion and forgiving nature to be rather endearing. However, this doesn't mean he condones their actions.
I agree
Touma is the very concept of savior complex. He just saves and forgives people because he can.Nothing more , nothing less
Great video
Touma follows Religion better than the religious side, while most of them just want to take over the world, Touma forgives
Nah, that's Orsola Aquinas. In show, she understands better Jesus message and teachings than any other member of the Catolic faction, and almost died for it.
Touma encompasses more what Aeon of Horus mindset means. "Don't search excuses for your actions (Accelerator wanting to be a villian in order to do something, Fiamma wanting to be a Messiah to "cure the world"). Take full responsibility for the outcome of them".
The way I see touma is that he’s neither good or bad, he’s the literal definition of “chaotic neutral”.
Yodayo AI user: Okay, Touma, you must meet Scarlet King
Touma: ?
Yodayo AI user: Try your best to forgive him. **teleports him in SCP verse**
He’s more like chaotic or neutral good. Bro is not neutral like that at all
@@leonaise7546 Bad and good aren’t a concept to touma, whenever he sees someone who he thinks isn’t “living their life correctly” he’s gonna try to change them. I mean NT10 literally follows this point home because by all accounts the world did have a good reason to kill othinus but touma thought otherwise so he decided to fight the world to save othinus, and that includes his allies.
@@joshuapatterson8269 That’s more chaotic good than chaotic neutral. Look it up, if he’s chaotically neutral he wouldn’t have gotten involved at all
@@leonaise7546 Again touma dosen’t follow good or bad and does whatever he wants, he even admits that if he dosen’t want to save someone than he won’t.
I've always thought that most shonen and light novel protagonists are somewhat coocoo in the head, but Kamijou Touma is legitimately insane. I think he might even be worse than Emiya Shirou. At least with Shirou, he got a wake up call from Archer and how messed up his ideals are, and even in UBW Shirou acknowledges that his ideals are just ideals.
Touma? Touma's ideals are too pure that nobody can call him out on it. Unlike Shirou's magnanimous idea of "saving everyone", Touma's is a simple "no one is beyond saving". He's not gonna go down an Archer-like route because of how simple his ideal is, and because no one can really say he's wrong, no one can call him out on the insanity that he does in practice of his beliefs. I'm honestly impressed how Kamachi can make such a psychological misfit work while still portraying how insane his disposition is (not even his other protagonists are as unhinged as Touma).
I always saw Touma's kindness and ability to believe that everyone has a second chance as subliminal ways of describing the type of series that Toaru and its concepts are. For example, we know that one of the most discussed concepts is Thelema.
"Do what you want, for everything must be the law"
~Aleister Crowley
Touma was written based on this phrase. He does what he wants without caring about good or evil, he is not bound by the moral sense.
Thelema = Will
This reflects the Esper power system where the Espers are just imposing their own will on the world. Touma is like that too, a selfish person who fights not to protect the whole world, but to protect the world around him, his personal space. That's why he can't ignore it if someone is asking for help in front of him, at the same time he's not the type of person who sees a war on the other side of the world on television and runs to help.
"Everyone has the right to live by their own laws"
"To live where they want"
"To say what they want"
"To die when and where they want"
...
~Aleister Crowley
This would practically put any human being on equal footing so Touma seems like true equality. There is no saint, everyone has made mistakes and been selfish, but if every person had to die for their mistakes and selfish desires, then humanity would no longer exist. That's why Touma, as a way of showing equality, chooses a side where EVERYONE lives, where everyone has the right to a chance at redemption after paying for their crimes (yes, Touma doesn't ignore the possibility of jail, and that applies to himself also ) BUT as the world does not revolve around Touma, as he is only +1 out of 8 billion, Touma is only saving the people who are around him, in his field of vision, in his social cycle because that is the only space in the world that he can dominate. But as his friend Tsuchimikado drags him to all countries, Touma ends up gaining connections and bonds all over the world, his personal space is expanded and more people enter the category: "What is important to me". I liked when Kamachi quoted "He who protects the treasure" describing the meaning of the dragon in Christianity when Touma became a dragon in NT22 reverse. The world around him would be Touma's Treasure, and to protect that treasure, Touma is willing to trample on honor, justice, and morality that he never cared about.
We also get into the question: Does every bad person HAVE to die or be arrested? Is she DESTINED to die or be imprisoned as a form of karma or justice? This seems more like a happy fantasy, but the real world revolves in a balance of good and evil. There are so many people who were killed but the police never arrested or killed the killer (Jack the Ripper for example) in other words, just because you do something bad doesn't mean something WILL happen to you. unfortunately the world is not scripted. This would serve as justification for having so many villains running around in Toaru even after their plans failed. It's not just Touma who is letting them go unpunished, it's the narrative itself that is trying to convey a cruel and disturbing reality where his daughter's killer is on the loose, going to the mall and eating in restaurants normally.
It was this approach that broke the robot (invincible) because the responsibility for the crimes no longer exists
I think Touma just completely views himself as an imperfect person that he strives to push his enemies to be better than him, while not liking the idea of holding grudges.
This is a really important concept for people who decide to experience Toaru need to understand honestly, Touma is a commentary on what going far for these ideals can do for the better for others while also representing the dangerous parts of toxic heroism. It’s unfortunate that Touma’s characterisation and depth is butchered in the anime, his memory loss is incredibly important to his philosophy but Touma’s inner anguish from it just isn’t seen there. I never felt Kamachi was ever simply trying to preach through Touma but rather show a singular point of view from a person with incredible resolve who suffers from a warped view due to his experiences and yet does his best where he can. I always found his interaction with Birdway in NT6 to be a uniquely interesting way of showing what Touma is all about, with him in ideological conflict with someone who wants him on his side without real malicious intent. Great video!
Well that's a loaded question I've only thought about, what really is his limit that he'll calm down, reflect and still not forgive.
That's the beauty of it:
He has no limit.
Not because he's some infinitely forgiving person, no; it's because he WANTS to save people.
This isn't him doing what's right or wrong; this is him giving in to his most selfish desire.
No matter how terrible, how horrific, how conceited they are, Touma's first instinct is to save someone.
Not because they deserve it, but because he can. Not because he has to, but because he can't imagine doing anything else.
This is him. This is who he is. What he does.
And he loves it. All of it.
7:26 Basically Othinus joins the Touma Harem as well...
Touma is just THAT guy fr
Most people have begun hating characters who will not kill and/or forgive people that cause great suffering like Superman, Batman, other superheroes Charlie from hazbin hotel and of course Touma. But those same people completely missing the point of why these characters acted like how they are. It's really a part of their own character.
Charlie:Adam Valentino sera 😡
And that everyone is why Kamijou Touma is the greatest! I and many other To Aru love him so much and we wouldn't want him to be any other way!
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Kamijou Touma: Forgive thy neighbour.
That's why Touma is HIM
What I like about Touma forgiving nature is that Kamachi keep it consistent throughout the series. For example in GT 10 Touma constantly expressing regret on how he cannot achieve the future where CRC and him can laugh together which is pretty crazy and sad at the same time.
Touma doesn’t sound like an idiot he sounds like a shonen protagonist cause I can think of at least 5 characters who would do the same.
Touma personality can be explain in one simple word : superman
Yeah he literally a superman of toaru world, he a hero and no more than that
Thats why othinus arc hit hard because when u take his role as hero touma have nothing beyond that, and thats why perfect world where his role taken away from him, hurt touma more than million or billion hell.
I don’t know where I heard this but it goes “hate the sin, not the sinner. For they are only human.”
He’ll forgive as long as he can keep adding to his harem
trueeee
Touma is crazy... and he has a Harem he is totally unaware of...
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Great video man.
I really appreciate the effort you out into these. Got into owning a channel myself, and boy oh boy. I've got a new appreciation for what i see from you man. Insane work is always put into your videos.
Thanks for the kind words! The hardest part is consistency, many people who make channels and upload burn out or stop doing it after a while. I'm crazy enough to do this for 4 years staright lmao.
like touma said when he fought accelerator, good evil doesn't matter he will do what he think is right and will never betray his morale code, they can call him evil for forgiving and trying to save othinus but he doesn't care
Thank you.
This video is such an emotional Rollercoaster to watch for me because it feels like the biggest call-out post from the biggest Toaru RUclipsr himself to me. I know it probably isn't inspired by me, but the timing is perfect.
3:52. Not everyone can be Touma... I certainly wouldn't be going out of my way to save others as much as he does, just saying .
Touma heart is golden 💖
That's touma greatest WEAPON. His act of sparing and forgive all of his villains deed. People make mistakes, and becoming better person by learning from those mistakes. That's why many touma former villain turn over new leaf and become his powerful allies. Just like bilbo baggins sparing gollum lives. Showing compasssion and kindness that help frodo destroy the one ring many decades later. 🫡
Poor Touma has never been the same since the memory loss. I really want to see how has morality compass would be once he gained his actually old memories back. He is most definitely always over the top with his rationale of forgiveness and trying to not kill anyone. Logically illogical and fanatical sometimes. Burt tat truly is what keeps us coming back and rooting for him. Some people are irredeemable yet he always seems to find a way to make the impossible possible when most of us would be... nope.
I had to wait a couple of days to even get to watch this and it was worth it. Great video as always. I am already a member here and of the of the wonderful Holy Toaru Gospel... I am saved! Keep those sermons a coming oh wise and holy priest Aeon.
Lmao thank you 🤣
0:00 Othinus is a cute girl, so yes
i love the editing xD
thank you!
10:12. I'm a proud member of the Cult of Aeon .
Based
So for most of the series, his moral is “Everyone deserves a chance to look back on their actions and regret it / do better… except me. Cause If I mess up. Who’s gonna give people their second chance?”
As he proceeds to k**l himself without hesitation.
That can be a dangerous flaw that could get his friends and himself in danger
Same time I hate that about heroes all the time but in some situations it’s understandable depending on the villain action, it comes off as toxic savior complex or heroism
He's like every man should be
Bro after a billion phases:
Touma truly got a reality check with CRC. There was really zero possibility that magician would redeem and become a good guy.
He's there doing all the hard work. So he gets the right.
absolutely goat
I love him honestly, I like shaved my whole personality and throwing up around this dude and like trigun so I’ve always been like trying to be a good guy my whole life and this dude is like the best guy along with Vash
Welp, see you after a billion phases.
Remind me of Shira and me up from feet from the Fate series
that Baba smile gave me enough years of life to become a magic god
🤣🤣
oh.
Great video
Thanks!
Simple answer he utilizes justice with mercy, and mercy with justice.
He is indeed Touman. 🤝🏼
For he is the GOAT!
Naruto, touma and thorfinn are one of my favorite type of mc it's a shame that so many people hate their idealogy and writting
That ideology can also be dangerous sometimes if use wrong
@@devilslayer3548 that's true. Realistically, Touma would've been put to jail for all crap he's involved
I wonder what will be future for Accelerator and the other child espers as them becoming adults. Supposedly when they reach adulthood, their delusions which power their personal realities dull, and them become powerless. If that happens, what will happen with the Lv.5s and the rest of espers? What will happen with accelerator.
I understand Touma… Today’s mass murderer could becomes tomorrow’s loyalest Waifu. Just look at Aradia, Neptys or Anna Sprengel… xD
Damn, Othinus simps been silent on this one 😂😂🙌
Touma kamiGOAT 🗣️🗣️💯💯💯‼️‼️‼️‼️🔥🔥🔥
Does accelator still needs his collar? Is his injury healed?
still needs it
As his brain got damaged, he will be crippled forever and ever. He only get's uncrippled temporally when his wings computational power and AIM replace his former capabilities an prowess, but as soon as the burst dulls, he goes back to the hell.
Sadly he died at GT10
👍🏾
i think you've misread him.
he's not strictly good. he's not trying to forgive people. he doesn't think he has the right to judge or punish people.
what he's going to do is force them to harness their powers to help others.
this is not merciful. how much does accelerator suffer because touma didnt just get revenge and kill him? atonement - and using your power to help others - isn't something you force on someone you have only goodwill towards. it's simply that touma doesn't want to pass judgement on others, so he's going to let people pass judgement on themselves after making them understand what they've done. it's a deeply lazy way of thinking, almost a dereliction of duty, and it betrays a lack of confidence in his own moral compass, but that's just how it is.
Cause them some bad bitches 🗣🗣🗣
Reminds me almost of Rex from Xenoblade.
because Touma is JEEEEESUUUUUUS ! XDDDDD
I am so confused. Was Fiamma trying to replicate Noah’s flood or the birth of Christ? All the things in the show point to the birth of Christ (star of Bethlehem, Gabriel, etc. his speech about how Jesus’s birth saved the world so he was going to replicate it to have the same affect.) but you say Noah’s flood every time you mention Fiamma. did I miss something or is it a mistake? Saying Noah’s flood kinda vilifies him more. I thought the plan was to replicate Jesus’s birth to save the world but the only flaw was that the influx of thelesma would kill a bunch of people but Fiamma saw it as a necessary sacrifice. I don’t think he was actively trying to kill everyone. I might be wrong though
Fiamma was trying to kill everyone tho. The entire reason he even started the World War 3 is to turn the entire humanity into his enemy so that his Holy Right can generate enough output to wipe out the planet
Face reveal plz
I've revealed my face many times, watch my other videos
Othinus kinda bad tho
Sir, she has the body of a 14 year old
@@Erasus-Phantasia4136Even better
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