@@ethanshenk2058 I have and it is for sure,it is very interesting not only wine,mead, but beer you can make.I wish I had room though for a wine refrigerator.My Italian grandfather in the Bronx NYC of all places would grow his own thick skin wine grapes and make his own wine to age in oak barrels in a damp basement.I could never forget the smell ,it was great.
Oh dude I went to a renaissance festival and had some monks mead loved it so much I started researching making mead my self and found these amazing people to learn from ❤
my guess is the D47 helps to bring consistent "industry standard" tasting wines whereas bread yeast will give you more variety in flavour but each batch will taste inconsistent from the last
I dug out my old brewing equipment because of your inspiration. Could barely take a reading because my plastic graduated cylinder was so scratched up I could barely see through it. I got a new glass one, which my wife proceeded to knock off the counter after I had only used it once. Fortunately, I had bought a set of two.
Awesome job with the yeast comparison. I think a lot of what we know or believe about fermentations comes from commercial applications. I love to see experiments like this on a home brewing scale. Makes me want to see more comparisons like this! Thanks for another great video.
There was a product called Pat Mack’s Brew Caps and they fit on a standard 2liter bottle as a high pressure gas release valve for making sparkling alcoholic beverages. They don’t sell anymore but I still have two and they work great
These yeast use videos are extremely cool. I am surprised they are all so close though. It makes me curious if there is indeed a truly specialized purpose for each one, or if marketing has made us all feel elitist with "my yeast."
Well, there are differences. Keep in mind, bread yeast is made for making baked goods and D47 is a wine yeast, but it's just one wine yeast. We plan to do more head-to-head competitions with yeasts so we can find out the real differences.
I am excited to see where this all goes. I know it would be a lot of work but perhaps a spreadsheet detailing the 🔺️SG, the flavor difference (fruity, tart, complex), how each mellows over time. I am sure you guys have already thought of all this. Just vocalizing
Hey y'all, first off, I love the videos, you guys have inspired a new hobby for me and I've been having a blast with it! Some quick newbie questions for y'all; 1. Do you have any guides that go into the "why" of fermenting/brewing? (eg what exactly differentiates different kinds of yeast, how secondary ferments generate bubbles when first ferments don't seem as effective, etc) 2. How do you know when to stop stirring to degas? When the sulfur-y smell dissipates? 3. Can I utilize mashed whole fruits or purees in winemaking? How does this affect the final product? 4. I love these yeast comparison videos! Have you guys noticed a trend where one kind of yeast generally does better or is the trend more one-to-one? Thanks for all the awesome content y'all put out, you guys really know your stuff and y'all's passion really shows
1) There are thousands of yeasts... it'd be impossible to categorize them all that way. Your comment on secondary vs primary... I don't understand as it's actually quite the opposite. 2) When it stops foaming. 3) Yes, you can, and we show this in our original Viking Blood video. It adds tannins and some other components to the brew, but if done correctly either whole fruit or juice works just fine. 4) Different yeast work differently in different brews. That's why we have so many types!
I’m almost done getting all my equipment in the mail. Your videos have inspired me to begin brewing, I’m also looking into getting bees, also inspired by your videos.
I am a Bee Keeper and found this channel after I was wondering what I could do with honey that I had left over after each harvest. Mead made with your fresh Honey is far better than mead made from shop bought. If you can get fresh Honey from a Local Bee Keeper, I would recommend that rather than buy shop supplied Honey, there is no comparison, a lot of shop bought Honey also has cheap syrups added to them, there is a Documentary on this, it's worse than I thought it was. It's also why Diabetics get affected by Shop bought Honey more than they do from your own Bees or a Local Bee Keeper.
I did a similar experiment when I brewed an ale from an authentic prohibition recipe. One portion of the wort was fermented with bread yeast as per the recipe, the rest was fermented with a Belgian ale yeast. If I had used, say Nottingham ale yeast, they probably would have been closer, but they were both very good and very drinkable.
Great vids! I really like that your background music is soft & low, & not overpowering. Plus you guys have classy cred, with using a hydrometer! Nice. Thanks.
Mostly homebrew beer for four years, recently (last six months) wines, and 3 days ago mead. And, I never thought/knew about "degassing", will try! Thanks!
It’s nice to see brewers who aren’t instantly crapping all over bread yeast, the fact that the bread yeast was similar to an actual purpose made brewing yeast is pretty funny to me. I usually use bread yeast because there aren’t many brewing shops where I live and with my current living situation, I live with an ex alcoholic, I have to keep what I’m doing low key. I usually bake bread a lot so having lots of bread yeast around is easy to justify, I’m currently making a batch of red spruce wine with some white pine needles being boiled with the spruce sprigs and a little honey and agave nectar, it should be pretty good when finished, I only used about a tsp of bakers yeast for the gallon batch. I’ve also found that boiling some bakers yeast, approx 1tsp per gallon, in some of what your going to be fermenting and adding chopped up raisins works pretty well as a cheap way to make yeast nutrients.
Have you guys ever tried making your own cranberry juice? It is perhaps the easiest juice to make. Store bought cranberry juice vs homemade... store bought would be a 2 or 3... homemade a 9 or 10. They are not even in the same league. I do know it is off season for cranberries. I usually get cases for $5 to $10 then make the juice and can it. (No juicer or steam juicer required.) I am obsessed with making things from scratch. If you ever hit up a crazy sale where they are .19 cents a package... load up.
The best homebrewing I ever did was in my dorm room in college with Fleischman's yeast. 12 years later and many professional brewers yeasts later I still reminisce about those homebrews I made with Fleischman's. They really did have a more dynamic flavor.
Definitely, agree that "no one likes to swim in their own waste." So, more yeast is NOT better. A good test would be to make side-by-side wines. One using the precise measurement for a gallon or half gallon. And the other with just "damuch".
I just started making homemade mead. I have my kit coming, but for now I’ve just started with a simple car boy and good quality bread yeast. Going well so far, but I can’t wait to try the D47!
Throwing this out there, I've noticed some of the wine yeasts need a little more help with nutrients. I'm guessing since Cranberry is a little tough if you had added some Fermaid O to the D47 for the first 3-4 days and degassed a little (the D47 seemed to produce a LOT of gas in this one) then it would have burned through much more sugar and maybe would have tasted different.
Have been waiting for the results, and I could not be more pleased. All I have ever used is bread yeast with great results. Always wonder if I may get better mead if I used wine yeast. Thank you.
Thumbs up! I just started a new big batch of hard apple cider in my videos and I used Red Star Dry Active bread yeast. So far it looks to be doing well, just a few days into primary fermentation and it almost looks like it has a low boil there’s so much fermentation happening!
That's funny you get "just a sweet wine" with the D47, I use mainly bread yeast mostly because I have a lot of it. I've made several batches of cranberry wine but all I ever taste with the bread yeast is just a sweet wine. Mind you, I do mine the hillbilly way, make it in the jug it came in. I have never degassed it. Which wouldn't be a bad thing to look into, because, my god when I get to drinkin it. It tastes so damn strong. Not sure if it has to do with the left over gasses or what but man, it becomes so hard to drink
I started a cranberry wine back on the 10th of Dec. it is now feb 14th and it still is fermenting but very slowly. it is losing about 1 point per week after having quit for 2 weeks at 1.050 it finally is starting to get lees in the bottom.
Good Video, I am doing the same thing, and after watching some other videos, I expected to not know the difference. I think you just confirmed what I expect.
We don't... they're clean, and we let items sit on them, and the sanitizer soaks into the towels. Seriously, you don't have to be super over-the-top crazy with sanitation. Just use common sense and be as clean as you can.
@@CitySteadingBrews awesome, thanks for the reply! I've been using star San in a spray bottle instead of a bucket, and just giving my work surfaces a quick spritz before I set things down on it the first time.
I would have made it Ferris bueller joke at the end, but Tracy was pretty funny. I have yet to comment on any of your videos. But for about a week now I've just been listening to them while driving( for work) And while at work (rekeying locks) occasionally at home but mostly at work. Love to channel love what you guys are doing love how much information is there, so thank you. :)
My biggest fault...I want instant gratification...want to know how they turn out in the end...but, sadly, I think I know how these will turn out. Both will be good but not as good as you hope. Lately, that is the way my wines have turned out, some better than others tho...like my Welche's...that is excellent and that is even though it is not quite ready to drink yet. Then there is my cider...that would be next and is also good, but still a little footy. and lastly is my cherry wine...that needs probably another month at least. My CranGrape is good to go, and not at all footy, although you can tell it is way young. Getting ready to start new batches, to include one of meade. I have enough sugar and honey to start at least 4 or 5 gallons and even leave some juice for me to drink! By the way, I loved your Bagel vid!
Yes I want to make that also I read somewhere that just applying honey and water is the first known wine goes all the way back to the Egyptians I read it on the internet so you know that has to be true lol
Been doing this awhile and I've had nothing but poor results with Lalvin yeasts, especially D47 (primarily taste). I've had excellent results with Red Star Premier Blanc (Yellow Packet) and Safale US-05. I continue to experiment with other yeasts.
I'm totally binging your channel tonight. Yes I could have gone out but I want AMAZING Mead... I may try one or 2 of your wines... or combine them banana mead with honey & brown sugar? I think it may be good!
When I was in one of America’s many wars I used simple grape juice off-the-shelf sugar and baking used wine was ready in 15 days lots of sugar made lots of alcohol and I made lots of friends! And sometimes good enough is good enough. The number one thing keep your equipment clean and if you don’t have anything bleach water Set your equipment out in the sun chlorine dissipates and sunlight and you’re done every 15 days you can have a new batch
Are there any fruits you absolutely do not want to attempt to make wine out of? For example, is it possible to make an all lemon wine? I mean something seriously citrus such as 20 lb of lemons in a 5-gallon carboy. on the same note, is it possible to brew something from a fruit or vegetable that may actually be dangerous to brew?
Sorry to be a pain, but when you were switching around it did get a bit confusing about which you were tasting and talking about as you kept saying things like "that one" and "this one". Is there any chance in future videos you could add some sort of annotation? Or maybe a simpler solution would be to keep the tasting glasses at a fixed location and each of you keep switching places to taste the opposite one. Whatever you think would be easier, but I was getting a bit lost with which one was which when it came to tasting.
Brian, do you think I should use tea in my plum wine, too? It's the first time I'm making wine, and the plum I'm using has 3 times more malic acid than regular plums, so it's really sour (though taste really good!), but has no tartaric acid or tannins in it. I added some calcium carbonate to compensate the extreme sourness, but should I also add tea to it to have some tannins for the mouthfeel? OR how about a small piece of a cinnamon stick and clove? Would they work too?
I made a half gallon of Welches grape juice using Fleischman's, and it was awesome. It tasted like grape popsicles LOL! It was too sweet as I'd added a cup and a half of sugar, so this time I'm only using 1 cup.
Hi.. I’m new to home brewing, and I was wondering if you could elaborate more about the topic of vinegar, when you briefly mentioned it between 6:40 - 7:05.. and about being careful not to agitate or oxygenate the wine as you were pouring it.. (Thx)
My guess, and this is literally a guess and not backed up in anything, is the D47 is bred to consume sugar better than bread yeast, so the bread yeast left more cranberry behind, leaving its wine more cranberry flavored?
Oh for sure, they are made for different things. Interesting thing though is all saccromyces cerivisae (yeast for bread and brewing) actually create the same amount of CO2 and alcohol, some can just tolerate higher levels of it and can continue fermenting, where others go dormant when in lower levels of alcohol.
Having watched the making followed by the tasting, its funny how they were at about the starting gravity of the juice. Could it be unfermentable sugars in the juice?
I *hate* D47. (I hate Chardonnay, which uses this yeast...) I started using Cote des Blancs for my fruit wines some 15 years ago and have never looked back.
Can u tell me why on d47 I am going to be brewing Concord grapes 🍇 again this year, I've used EC 1118. I like the way it ferments, good alcohol output.
It was interesting to hear you say that there wasn't much difference between them, as so often I hear bread yeast ferments poo-poohed for wine making. (I mostly make wine so that I can then turn around and make vinegar, so I was wondering if the yeast was a factor.) Would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on Wild vs. Bread Vs. packaged brewing yeasts. Currently I use wild as I have grapes, blueberries and raspberries growing here and it's very difficult to buy commercial wine yeasts where I live. (I could, however, easily switch to bread yeasts, so I'm wondering Wild vs. Bread, if you have a thought as to which might be better in terms of yielding a higher alcohol content.)
Although an interesting concept it would be very difficult to convey that information to our international audience. My wild yeast found on the fruit in my back yard are going to react differently than your wild yeast. Variables in environmental conditions both outside and in your brewing area will affect the ability for yeast strains, both wild and commercial. I wish this is something we could do, but there would be very little consistency in results for our viewers. In addition, you do not want a higher alcohol content when making vinegar as you would have to dilute it down if it went beyond around 10% ABV.
@@CitySteadingBrewsThanks very much !!! OK, so simply put, would you take a wild yeast over a bread yeast? Or vice versa? Or are there too many variables. Might a wild be better than a bread sometimes and not others.
Wild yeast vary greatly so to say I prefer one or tue other is literally a needle in a haystack. Commercial yeasts are more consistent even bread yeast.
Hey guys - love your channel and I've become addicted. My wife would say you created a monster. I'm buying wine more to use the jug as a fermenter than to actually drink the contents. Everything looks like a fermentation vessel now... I have a suspicion on why your fermentations might have got stuck: you started with a pasteurized cranberry juice and didn't really oxygenate it in the first video. So, maybe lack of oxygen in the must caused struggling yeast colonies and the high finishing gravity? When you racked and degassed, you probably introduced some more oxygen, so I expect that both of these will revive and ferment at least another 20 points or so - maybe more for the D-47. I'm looking forward to your next video on this! Time to make some mead.
What does oxygenation look like? I have a little head room in my one gal carboy and it’s got like gunk on it. Dark yellowish tint. It’s still fermenting in primary for about a week and a half. Should I be worried? Thanks! Love the channel so much!
I bought some ocean spray "100% juice" from BJ's, it turns out it's a blend of cranberry, grape, apple and pear juice(no "ites or ates" though). I followed your recipe (roughly), except I put in 500g of sugar, not 568. The juice gravity was 1.50. The juice + the tea was 1.42 and the juice, tea and sugar was 1.90(not the 1100 you were shooting for). I'm hoping for a less sweet wine anyway, so I figured putting slightly less sugar in would do that (plus there's a ton of sugar in the original drink anyway). Anyway, point is - I'm curious to know how this'll turn out.
Think i added my 71b too soon after adding potassium metabisulfites and 36 hours later still no actions. Just added some healthy bread yeast. Hoping it turns out well. Og was 1.085-1.09 range.
@@CitySteadingBrews Beginners impatience. Have you ever tried mixing yeasts? Would it stress it out or just be slightly pointless? This 6 gallon batch is just 1.25 gallons of wildflower honey and water but will get 1/4 oz light and 1/4 oz dark roast oak cubes after fermentation and be drunk at my wedding celebration whenever this covid thing is over and done with. Hoping to let it age at least 9 months.
So i started this experiment about a week ago (not as scientifically as you but hope it still works). Yea now I'm mad because I could've just watched this. Oh well. Its my first time brewing so i wanted to see if there really is a massive difference between wine yeast and bread yeast, as some people say.
Can you guys do one with wild yeast from fresh grapes,,,, did a wine using yeast from fresh grapes because no wine yeast in my country turned out really good ,,, just a thought, enjoy your videos 💯
Hey, since I don't have Facebook I figured I might ask here: I made a cyser with (all natural) apple butter and honey. 1.080 OG, 0.996 final after 5 weeks. So obviously done and all the way dry, but it has NO flavor! Tastes like water and alcohol. I don't get any apple nor honey at all... Is this just a time issue (will resting/aging help here)? Thanks, and great content! Keep it up
It is only because I love your videos so much...and I just tasted my Welches' grape mixed with Ocean Spray cranberry juice...yumm, that is real good, althoug as you say...time is your friend...in this case, I think time has run out for my CranGrape wine...heh heh.
Hi! I tried to copy your fruit wine... But it all end very wine taste and I don't taste any fruit flavor. By the way I'm using bread yeast. 2 kilo of fruit, 1 kilo sugar, 1 bag of black tea, and half teaspoon of bread yeast. Any recommendation?
I tried some fruits like Dragon fruit, pineapple, apple and some other local fruits. You think I added so much sugar? Or maybe so much yeast? The result, I always back sweetened it. By the way I'm from the Philippines and I cook drinking food for my RUclips content.
Did you take any specific gravity readings? It's hard to say much without those. However, this is not our recipe at all :). Because of that... it won't taste like anything we have done. Nothing really wrong with that, but the results may vary die to differences in recipe and ingredients. Can't say if you have too much sugar due not not knowing the batch size, but it sounds like it went dry and the fruits used just need a lot more f them to add flavor.
@@CitySteadingBrews thank you so much! Please make content of the ingredients like tannin and the replacement (the important of putting tannin) some added lemon... Good luck!
17:50 Ha! I had a good laugh at the end of this video. It reminded me of something different--the end of Ferris Bueller. "You're still here?! Go home!"
Hello, im currently brewing, trying to brew rice wine.. i saw many videos where they use s type airlock, so i used it to. but never paid attention whether lid to the airlock should be there or not .. please help.. should i have closed the lid of the airlock ?? Plzz reply
I think you cross-contaminated (yeasts/musts) when you shared the hydrometer (16:43 in 1st video) & graduated cylinder between the two without sanitizing them in-between, pouring back into fermentation jar - all the way back at the beginning. Certainly some yeast would have made it from the 1st measured batch into the second. 🤦♀
I did the math using your numbers of SG 1.096 minus the FG of 1.042 = .054 and my ABV came to 7% (0.054 X 131.25) Did I mess up in my equation some how?
This is a very old video... we have changed our system since this I believe. I tend to use 135 as the coefficient since it's more accurate as alcohol content goes up, so... I get 7.3%, roughly the same as you.
So, this is the first time I ever attempted anything like making mead. I used a 5l water bottle and just took out some water and added the honey. I put an airlock on and filled it till both "bulbs" sit at the Max lines. After a day the outlet bulb (closest to the air out area) is almost full, while the other side is empty, but I do not see any bubbling. Just the water being pushed away. Is that normal? Do you have any advice on how to fix it? Or should I just wait a few more days? I used Lalvin D47 yeast and honey and your tannin tee. Nothing else. Thanks
@@CitySteadingBrews About 1litre. So roughly 20% of the final product is honey. So I shouldn't worry overly much and give it a few more days to start bubbling?
@@CitySteadingBrews Thanks for the repsonses. I think that might be it. The bung is very easy to pull out, even if I press it in firmly. Might "finish" the seal with a baloon holding the bing to the bottle. Just to keep stuff in
Did you guys say what the ABV was? Maybe i missed it. Im playing with some bread yeast mead now, the first thing on google says bread yeast starts dying at around 3% alcohol :(
I just made my 4 meads today. I'm hoping I took the readings right for the Original Gravity. My Black-Briar OG came out 1.012, Honningbrew Book recipe 1.044, Honningbrew Game recipe 1.120, and regular Mead came to 1.151. It just didn't seem right being so high, but i took them anyway. Hearing that the D-47 for your brew started at 1.100 makes me feel better so I am hoping, lol.
Well, all I know is it’s super active with co2 production right now. Only one surprisingly not showing signs of ferment is the regular mead. Just being honey water and yeast. I’ll be giving them all a shake today though and see if the regular meads activity changes.
Ah gotcha. Well I have three pounds of honey in their with rose hips, blackberries, ground cloves and some cinnamon sticks. Of course I could’ve read the hydrometer wrong too
Well... not really. You see, oxygen is lighter than CO2, so if CO2 is coming out of the solution and going up, it effectively pushes any oxygen out, so very little, if any gets in.
You guys have inspired a new hobby. Its addicting!
I agree and i haven't gotten into just yet but I'm going too
@@ethanshenk2058 I have and it is for sure,it is very interesting not only wine,mead, but beer you can make.I wish I had room though for a wine refrigerator.My Italian grandfather in the Bronx NYC of all places would grow his own thick skin wine grapes and make his own wine to age in oak barrels in a damp basement.I could never forget the smell ,it was great.
Try making apple jack
its impressive to make a liquid can live forever even for 100 years !
Oh dude I went to a renaissance festival and had some monks mead loved it so much I started researching making mead my self and found these amazing people to learn from ❤
my guess is the D47 helps to bring consistent "industry standard" tasting wines whereas bread yeast will give you more variety in flavour but each batch will taste inconsistent from the last
That's got possibilities.
I dug out my old brewing equipment because of your inspiration. Could barely take a reading because my plastic graduated cylinder was so scratched up I could barely see through it. I got a new glass one, which my wife proceeded to knock off the counter after I had only used it once. Fortunately, I had bought a set of two.
All of my "testing" with wine yeasts, Lalvin K1-V1116 is the by far winner for Cranberry for my social circle here! Love you guys' videos!
something tells me you two are big DnD nerds, respect :)
Awesome job with the yeast comparison. I think a lot of what we know or believe about fermentations comes from commercial applications. I love to see experiments like this on a home brewing scale. Makes me want to see more comparisons like this! Thanks for another great video.
There was a product called Pat Mack’s Brew Caps and they fit on a standard 2liter bottle as a high pressure gas release valve for making sparkling alcoholic beverages. They don’t sell anymore but I still have two and they work great
I’m so happy I found this channel. I’m so interested in making my own mead now because of you both so thank you for the awesome teaching
IKR JEZ
These yeast use videos are extremely cool. I am surprised they are all so close though. It makes me curious if there is indeed a truly specialized purpose for each one, or if marketing has made us all feel elitist with "my yeast."
Well, there are differences. Keep in mind, bread yeast is made for making baked goods and D47 is a wine yeast, but it's just one wine yeast. We plan to do more head-to-head competitions with yeasts so we can find out the real differences.
I am excited to see where this all goes. I know it would be a lot of work but perhaps a spreadsheet detailing the 🔺️SG, the flavor difference (fruity, tart, complex), how each mellows over time.
I am sure you guys have already thought of all this. Just vocalizing
Same, I just done 3*4 ltrs of mead, two cherry, one tradish, to be ready for the winter following Brian and Derica's steps! Thanks from Ireland!!!!
This setup you have is so much better. You guys are more relaxed!
I've never had problems with cranberry wine in the fermenting stage. I make quite often and I love it. :)
Hey y'all, first off, I love the videos, you guys have inspired a new hobby for me and I've been having a blast with it!
Some quick newbie questions for y'all;
1. Do you have any guides that go into the "why" of fermenting/brewing? (eg what exactly differentiates different kinds of yeast, how secondary ferments generate bubbles when first ferments don't seem as effective, etc)
2. How do you know when to stop stirring to degas? When the sulfur-y smell dissipates?
3. Can I utilize mashed whole fruits or purees in winemaking? How does this affect the final product?
4. I love these yeast comparison videos! Have you guys noticed a trend where one kind of yeast generally does better or is the trend more one-to-one?
Thanks for all the awesome content y'all put out, you guys really know your stuff and y'all's passion really shows
1) There are thousands of yeasts... it'd be impossible to categorize them all that way. Your comment on secondary vs primary... I don't understand as it's actually quite the opposite.
2) When it stops foaming.
3) Yes, you can, and we show this in our original Viking Blood video. It adds tannins and some other components to the brew, but if done correctly either whole fruit or juice works just fine.
4) Different yeast work differently in different brews. That's why we have so many types!
I’m almost done getting all my equipment in the mail. Your videos have inspired me to begin brewing, I’m also looking into getting bees, also inspired by your videos.
Did you get the honeybees yet,I have been thinking about the same thing.
I am a Bee Keeper and found this channel after I was wondering what I could do with honey that I had left over after each harvest.
Mead made with your fresh Honey is far better than mead made from shop bought.
If you can get fresh Honey from a Local Bee Keeper, I would recommend that rather than buy shop supplied Honey, there is no comparison, a lot of shop bought Honey also has cheap syrups added to them, there is a Documentary on this, it's worse than I thought it was.
It's also why Diabetics get affected by Shop bought Honey more than they do from your own Bees or a Local Bee Keeper.
I did a similar experiment when I brewed an ale from an authentic prohibition recipe. One portion of the wort was fermented with bread yeast as per the recipe, the rest was fermented with a Belgian ale yeast. If I had used, say Nottingham ale yeast, they probably would have been closer, but they were both very good and very drinkable.
This is not the result I was expecting at all, at least as far as the flavor goes. Great vid!
I really enjoy all y'all's videos.
Haha love you guys ❤ best hobby ever, it’s been a couple months and there’s no turning back!!
Great vids! I really like that your background music is soft & low, & not overpowering. Plus you guys have classy cred, with using a hydrometer! Nice. Thanks.
Brian: Derica, keep talking while I finish these off. LOL
Mostly homebrew beer for four years, recently (last six months) wines, and 3 days ago mead. And, I never thought/knew about "degassing", will try! Thanks!
I love this comparison series! 😍
It’s nice to see brewers who aren’t instantly crapping all over bread yeast, the fact that the bread yeast was similar to an actual purpose made brewing yeast is pretty funny to me. I usually use bread yeast because there aren’t many brewing shops where I live and with my current living situation, I live with an ex alcoholic, I have to keep what I’m doing low key. I usually bake bread a lot so having lots of bread yeast around is easy to justify, I’m currently making a batch of red spruce wine with some white pine needles being boiled with the spruce sprigs and a little honey and agave nectar, it should be pretty good when finished, I only used about a tsp of bakers yeast for the gallon batch. I’ve also found that boiling some bakers yeast, approx 1tsp per gallon, in some of what your going to be fermenting and adding chopped up raisins works pretty well as a cheap way to make yeast nutrients.
We actually use bread yeast pretty often in our videos. :)
Thank you both for this, just what I was hoping for...
This is what I was looking for.
Have you guys ever tried making your own cranberry juice? It is perhaps the easiest juice to make. Store bought cranberry juice vs homemade... store bought would be a 2 or 3... homemade a 9 or 10. They are not even in the same league. I do know it is off season for cranberries. I usually get cases for $5 to $10 then make the juice and can it. (No juicer or steam juicer required.) I am obsessed with making things from scratch. If you ever hit up a crazy sale where they are .19 cents a package... load up.
The best homebrewing I ever did was in my dorm room in college with Fleischman's yeast. 12 years later and many professional brewers yeasts later I still reminisce about those homebrews I made with Fleischman's. They really did have a more dynamic flavor.
I mean, not hard to grab some juice from the store and some yeast from the bakers isle for old times sake?
Definitely, agree that "no one likes to swim in their own waste." So, more yeast is NOT better. A good test would be to make side-by-side wines. One using the precise measurement for a gallon or half gallon. And the other with just "damuch".
We can do that.
Surprising results. I have been using Fleishmans yeast so much more since watching this channel with great results.
I just started making homemade mead. I have my kit coming, but for now I’ve just started with a simple car boy and good quality bread yeast. Going well so far, but I can’t wait to try the D47!
IKR JEZ
Throwing this out there, I've noticed some of the wine yeasts need a little more help with nutrients. I'm guessing since Cranberry is a little tough if you had added some Fermaid O to the D47 for the first 3-4 days and degassed a little (the D47 seemed to produce a LOT of gas in this one) then it would have burned through much more sugar and maybe would have tasted different.
Ehh not our way. We trsted nutrients and they didn’t help.
Have been waiting for the results, and I could not be more pleased. All I have ever used is bread yeast with great results. Always wonder if I may get better mead if I used wine yeast. Thank you.
Thumbs up! I just started a new big batch of hard apple cider in my videos and I used Red Star Dry Active bread yeast. So far it looks to be doing well, just a few days into primary fermentation and it almost looks like it has a low boil there’s so much fermentation happening!
What brand of juice did you use and what is the temperature where your vessel is fermenting ?
12 bottles of Langer’s apple juice concentrate, 5 gallons water, about 75 to 90 degrees in my garage, heater on at night.
That's funny you get "just a sweet wine" with the D47, I use mainly bread yeast mostly because I have a lot of it. I've made several batches of cranberry wine but all I ever taste with the bread yeast is just a sweet wine. Mind you, I do mine the hillbilly way, make it in the jug it came in. I have never degassed it. Which wouldn't be a bad thing to look into, because, my god when I get to drinkin it. It tastes so damn strong. Not sure if it has to do with the left over gasses or what but man, it becomes so hard to drink
I started a cranberry wine back on the 10th of Dec. it is now feb 14th and it still is fermenting but very slowly. it is losing about 1 point per week after having quit for 2 weeks at 1.050 it finally is starting to get lees in the bottom.
Good Video, I am doing the same thing, and after watching some other videos, I expected to not know the difference. I think you just confirmed what I expect.
Great experiment, nice result. Take that, yeast snobs! Interested to see what aging does to them. Part 3 in a couple of months?
Yup! They're gonna sit for 3-6 months and we will taste again!
How do you guys sanitize the towels that you always seem to be working on?
We don't... they're clean, and we let items sit on them, and the sanitizer soaks into the towels. Seriously, you don't have to be super over-the-top crazy with sanitation. Just use common sense and be as clean as you can.
@@CitySteadingBrews awesome, thanks for the reply! I've been using star San in a spray bottle instead of a bucket, and just giving my work surfaces a quick spritz before I set things down on it the first time.
I like your background music I like the videos by especially like how you put in the background music
I still love this video! Een though I make wine with the propper yeast I still find myself making wine with bread yeast in a pinch.
I would have made it Ferris bueller joke at the end, but Tracy was pretty funny. I have yet to comment on any of your videos. But for about a week now I've just been listening to them while driving( for work) And while at work (rekeying locks) occasionally at home but mostly at work. Love to channel love what you guys are doing love how much information is there, so thank you. :)
My biggest fault...I want instant gratification...want to know how they turn out in the end...but, sadly, I think I know how these will turn out. Both will be good but not as good as you hope. Lately, that is the way my wines have turned out, some better than others tho...like my Welche's...that is excellent and that is even though it is not quite ready to drink yet. Then there is my cider...that would be next and is also good, but still a little footy. and lastly is my cherry wine...that needs probably another month at least. My CranGrape is good to go, and not at all footy, although you can tell it is way young. Getting ready to start new batches, to include one of meade. I have enough sugar and honey to start at least 4 or 5 gallons and even leave some juice for me to drink!
By the way, I loved your Bagel vid!
Yes I want to make that also I read somewhere that just applying honey and water is the first known wine goes all the way back to the Egyptians I read it on the internet so you know that has to be true lol
Before them actually.
if you want to make something more dry!!because i dont like sweet wines so much! i dont put so much sugars in>??
This was just a test but yes you use less fermentables.
this is great im doing a 2 gallon batch right now of apple cider and i used some of this brand yeast i was concerned it would be too different.
Derica, I’m confused...what vessel did you sanitize everything in? You didn’t mention it.
heh.
Derica's inner Vana must be taking the day off. 😁
You guys have inspired me 😊.....thank you guys for all you do....
Been doing this awhile and I've had nothing but poor results with Lalvin yeasts, especially D47 (primarily taste). I've had excellent results with Red Star Premier Blanc (Yellow Packet) and Safale US-05. I continue to experiment with other yeasts.
Sometime, Cranberrie juice did not ferment well and take lot of time to complete. At least, it was i have observed.
I'm totally binging your channel tonight. Yes I could have gone out but I want AMAZING Mead... I may try one or 2 of your wines... or combine them banana mead with honey & brown sugar? I think it may be good!
When I was in one of America’s many wars I used simple grape juice off-the-shelf sugar and baking used wine was ready in 15 days lots of sugar made lots of alcohol and I made lots of friends! And sometimes good enough is good enough. The number one thing keep your equipment clean and if you don’t have anything bleach water Set your equipment out in the sun chlorine dissipates and sunlight and you’re done every 15 days you can have a new batch
I whip (degass) fruit wine once a day for the first week. Definitely helps to prevent CO2 lock.
You can do that.... I just prefer not to mess with them.
Thank you for this video. Where do you get the containers and the airlock?
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Are there any fruits you absolutely do not want to attempt to make wine out of? For example, is it possible to make an all lemon wine? I mean something seriously citrus such as 20 lb of lemons in a 5-gallon carboy. on the same note, is it possible to brew something from a fruit or vegetable that may actually be dangerous to brew?
Sorry to be a pain, but when you were switching around it did get a bit confusing about which you were tasting and talking about as you kept saying things like "that one" and "this one". Is there any chance in future videos you could add some sort of annotation? Or maybe a simpler solution would be to keep the tasting glasses at a fixed location and each of you keep switching places to taste the opposite one. Whatever you think would be easier, but I was getting a bit lost with which one was which when it came to tasting.
I came up with 7.1% ABV for the bread yeast one and 8% (7.875) ABV for the wine yeast.
Thanks very much. I've already stopped my IT job and am ready to star wine making business. Thanks for giving me inspiration.
Impressive. Don't forget all the permits.
@@CitySteadingBrews oh, you need that?
Brian, do you think I should use tea in my plum wine, too? It's the first time I'm making wine, and the plum I'm using has 3 times more malic acid than regular plums, so it's really sour (though taste really good!), but has no tartaric acid or tannins in it. I added some calcium carbonate to compensate the extreme sourness, but should I also add tea to it to have some tannins for the mouthfeel? OR how about a small piece of a cinnamon stick and clove? Would they work too?
Personal preference. As for more acids... did you take a pH reading? Not sure I would have added calcium carbonate to a wine, but that's just me.
I made a half gallon of Welches grape juice using Fleischman's, and it was awesome. It tasted like grape popsicles LOL! It was too sweet as I'd added a cup and a half of sugar, so this time I'm only using 1 cup.
Hi.. I’m new to home brewing, and I was wondering if you could elaborate more about the topic of vinegar, when you briefly mentioned it between 6:40 - 7:05.. and about being careful not to agitate or oxygenate the wine as you were pouring it.. (Thx)
I wish there were more channels that go from pitching to tasting
This is a weird question, but:
Could you make wine out of Jell-O mix? There are some pretty cool flavors of Jell-O.
I've been watching for a few weeks now. I don't subscribe to channels but I'm just gonna go ahead and smash the sub button. I dig what you do. Thanks
Oh, and I guess you finally talked me into getting one of them measuring sticks. lol
Finally? Seriously... it's a good thing to have.
@@CitySteadingBrews yeah I know I'm late to the game. Ordered one last night.
What jars/containers are you using? What would I search for to find them?
My guess, and this is literally a guess and not backed up in anything, is the D47 is bred to consume sugar better than bread yeast, so the bread yeast left more cranberry behind, leaving its wine more cranberry flavored?
Oh for sure, they are made for different things. Interesting thing though is all saccromyces cerivisae (yeast for bread and brewing) actually create the same amount of CO2 and alcohol, some can just tolerate higher levels of it and can continue fermenting, where others go dormant when in lower levels of alcohol.
Love your channel. I am just getting started. What commercial yeast you would reccomed for medium sweet wine?
D47 is a popular choice.
Having watched the making followed by the tasting, its funny how they were at about the starting gravity of the juice. Could it be unfermentable sugars in the juice?
I *hate* D47. (I hate Chardonnay, which uses this yeast...)
I started using Cote des Blancs for my fruit wines some 15 years ago and have never looked back.
Can u tell me why on d47 I am going to be brewing Concord grapes 🍇 again this year, I've used EC 1118. I like the way it ferments, good alcohol output.
It was interesting to hear you say that there wasn't much difference between them, as so often I hear bread yeast ferments poo-poohed for wine making. (I mostly make wine so that I can then turn around and make vinegar, so I was wondering if the yeast was a factor.) Would be very interested in hearing your thoughts on Wild vs. Bread Vs. packaged brewing yeasts. Currently I use wild as I have grapes, blueberries and raspberries growing here and it's very difficult to buy commercial wine yeasts where I live. (I could, however, easily switch to bread yeasts, so I'm wondering Wild vs. Bread, if you have a thought as to which might be better in terms of yielding a higher alcohol content.)
Although an interesting concept it would be very difficult to convey that information to our international audience. My wild yeast found on the fruit in my back yard are going to react differently than your wild yeast. Variables in environmental conditions both outside and in your brewing area will affect the ability for yeast strains, both wild and commercial. I wish this is something we could do, but there would be very little consistency in results for our viewers. In addition, you do not want a higher alcohol content when making vinegar as you would have to dilute it down if it went beyond around 10% ABV.
@@CitySteadingBrewsThanks very much !!! OK, so simply put, would you take a wild yeast over a bread yeast? Or vice versa? Or are there too many variables. Might a wild be better than a bread sometimes and not others.
Wild yeast vary greatly so to say I prefer one or tue other is literally a needle in a haystack. Commercial yeasts are more consistent even bread yeast.
love your videos u should use silicone hose not that vinyl tube its full of nasty plasticizes
Just sitin here watchin with a glass of home brew choke cherry wine. A question popped into my head. Have you folks ever made wine from jello?
Hey guys - love your channel and I've become addicted. My wife would say you created a monster. I'm buying wine more to use the jug as a fermenter than to actually drink the contents. Everything looks like a fermentation vessel now...
I have a suspicion on why your fermentations might have got stuck: you started with a pasteurized cranberry juice and didn't really oxygenate it in the first video. So, maybe lack of oxygen in the must caused struggling yeast colonies and the high finishing gravity?
When you racked and degassed, you probably introduced some more oxygen, so I expect that both of these will revive and ferment at least another 20 points or so - maybe more for the D-47. I'm looking forward to your next video on this!
Time to make some mead.
What does oxygenation look like? I have a little head room in my one gal carboy and it’s got like gunk on it. Dark yellowish tint. It’s still fermenting in primary for about a week and a half. Should I be worried?
Thanks! Love the channel so much!
If it’s still in primary and only a week and a half old... probably fine.
How does it smell?
Have you ever used EC-1118 yeast? It is what I can get in my area. I am new and experimenting with red wine and ciders. Thank you
Good question
Many times, we even did tests of that yeast vs others. Every yeast has positives and negatives. Depends what you want and what you like.
@@CitySteadingBrews When would you use the bread yeast and when would you use EC-1118? I want to make sweet red wine and fruit ciders
Prejudice is so much easier to purchase in the small town I live in I've always used it and I always thought it was fine
Prejudice?
I bought some ocean spray "100% juice" from BJ's, it turns out it's a blend of cranberry, grape, apple and pear juice(no "ites or ates" though). I followed your recipe (roughly), except I put in 500g of sugar, not 568.
The juice gravity was 1.50. The juice + the tea was 1.42 and the juice, tea and sugar was 1.90(not the 1100 you were shooting for). I'm hoping for a less sweet wine anyway, so I figured putting slightly less sugar in would do that (plus there's a ton of sugar in the original drink anyway).
Anyway, point is - I'm curious to know how this'll turn out.
I think you mean 1.050 and 1.042…
It should be fine though. Likely a little less sweer.
@@CitySteadingBrews Haha, yes indeed I do!
The first time I read a hydrometer - I read it as "50" instead of 1.050 ;p
I miss this song :) Bring it back guys!
We have found that skipping intros and outtros works best with our content and our audience.
Think i added my 71b too soon after adding potassium metabisulfites and 36 hours later still no actions. Just added some healthy bread yeast. Hoping it turns out well. Og was 1.085-1.09 range.
It can take up to 3 days for yeast to start. I have never used sulfites in our brews.
@@CitySteadingBrews Beginners impatience.
Have you ever tried mixing yeasts?
Would it stress it out or just be slightly pointless?
This 6 gallon batch is just 1.25 gallons of wildflower honey and water but will get 1/4 oz light and 1/4 oz dark roast oak cubes after fermentation and be drunk at my wedding celebration whenever this covid thing is over and done with. Hoping to let it age at least 9 months.
So i started this experiment about a week ago (not as scientifically as you but hope it still works). Yea now I'm mad because I could've just watched this. Oh well. Its my first time brewing so i wanted to see if there really is a massive difference between wine yeast and bread yeast, as some people say.
Can you guys do one with wild yeast from fresh grapes,,,, did a wine using yeast from fresh grapes because no wine yeast in my country turned out really good ,,, just a thought, enjoy your videos 💯
We would need fresh grapes... we just lost our collection of them due to a hurricane.
Hey, since I don't have Facebook I figured I might ask here: I made a cyser with (all natural) apple butter and honey. 1.080 OG, 0.996 final after 5 weeks. So obviously done and all the way dry, but it has NO flavor! Tastes like water and alcohol. I don't get any apple nor honey at all... Is this just a time issue (will resting/aging help here)?
Thanks, and great content! Keep it up
btw, that comes out to ~11% ABV, so it's stout!
Time will help.
THanks for the video again. Can you tell me what abv can a bread yeast yield?
They don't really have a true rating, but in our experience, usually right around 12% +/-
@@CitySteadingBrews I was thinking that was the number.
If you added a large amount of yeast do you think it would raize the ABV% and make it less sweet?
Nope. More yeast may make it start faster but more sugar is needed to raise abv
1:35 Ha! Guilty laughing over FLOCCULATED!
Other good ones are titmouse (a bird), clatterfart (gossip), or fuksheet (front sail on a boat).
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It is only because I love your videos so much...and I just tasted my Welches' grape mixed with Ocean Spray cranberry juice...yumm, that is real good, althoug as you say...time is your friend...in this case, I think time has run out for my CranGrape wine...heh heh.
Hi! I tried to copy your fruit wine... But it all end very wine taste and I don't taste any fruit flavor. By the way I'm using bread yeast. 2 kilo of fruit, 1 kilo sugar, 1 bag of black tea, and half teaspoon of bread yeast. Any recommendation?
Possibly just went too dry for you. Maybe sweeten it?
What fruit and what kind of juice?
I tried some fruits like Dragon fruit, pineapple, apple and some other local fruits. You think I added so much sugar? Or maybe so much yeast? The result, I always back sweetened it. By the way I'm from the Philippines and I cook drinking food for my RUclips content.
Did you take any specific gravity readings? It's hard to say much without those. However, this is not our recipe at all :). Because of that... it won't taste like anything we have done. Nothing really wrong with that, but the results may vary die to differences in recipe and ingredients. Can't say if you have too much sugar due not not knowing the batch size, but it sounds like it went dry and the fruits used just need a lot more f them to add flavor.
@@CitySteadingBrews thank you so much! Please make content of the ingredients like tannin and the replacement (the important of putting tannin) some added lemon... Good luck!
i hope the next tasting you do of this is live live live
Where do I buy the small containers??
I love you guys. Happy trails
17:50 Ha! I had a good laugh at the end of this video. It reminded me of something different--the end of Ferris Bueller. "You're still here?! Go home!"
That degassing can be malolactic fermentation too.
Hmm? Degassing is degassing, ML fermentation is a fermentation, they are very different things.
Hello, im currently brewing, trying to brew rice wine.. i saw many videos where they use s type airlock, so i used it to. but never paid attention whether lid to the airlock should be there or not .. please help.. should i have closed the lid of the airlock ?? Plzz reply
Answered on another post on another video.
I think you cross-contaminated (yeasts/musts) when you shared the hydrometer (16:43 in 1st video) & graduated cylinder between the two without sanitizing them in-between, pouring back into fermentation jar - all the way back at the beginning. Certainly some yeast would have made it from the 1st measured batch into the second. 🤦♀
We do make cuts… and we are cautious. Sure mistakes can happen but it’s unlikely to affect this outcome.
Love the Ferris Bueller ending.
I did the math using your numbers of SG 1.096 minus the FG of 1.042 = .054 and my ABV came to 7% (0.054 X 131.25) Did I mess up in my equation some how?
This is a very old video... we have changed our system since this I believe. I tend to use 135 as the coefficient since it's more accurate as alcohol content goes up, so... I get 7.3%, roughly the same as you.
So, this is the first time I ever attempted anything like making mead. I used a 5l water bottle and just took out some water and added the honey. I put an airlock on and filled it till both "bulbs" sit at the Max lines. After a day the outlet bulb (closest to the air out area) is almost full, while the other side is empty, but I do not see any bubbling. Just the water being pushed away. Is that normal? Do you have any advice on how to fix it? Or should I just wait a few more days? I used Lalvin D47 yeast and honey and your tannin tee. Nothing else. Thanks
How much honey? Also... it's normal for the pressure to push the water. That's a good sign of fermentation.
@@CitySteadingBrews About 1litre. So roughly 20% of the final product is honey.
So I shouldn't worry overly much and give it a few more days to start bubbling?
Yeah and check your seals. Sometimes the gas is escaping but it’s really fermenting.
@@CitySteadingBrews Thanks for the repsonses. I think that might be it. The bung is very easy to pull out, even if I press it in firmly. Might "finish" the seal with a baloon holding the bing to the bottle. Just to keep stuff in
Droooool!!! Belvinie!! NOMNOMNOM Tough to find the 17 year...
Did you guys say what the ABV was? Maybe i missed it. Im playing with some bread yeast mead now, the first thing on google says bread yeast starts dying at around 3% alcohol :(
Ehh no, more like 11-12%.
I just made my 4 meads today. I'm hoping I took the readings right for the Original Gravity. My Black-Briar OG came out 1.012, Honningbrew Book recipe 1.044, Honningbrew Game recipe 1.120, and regular Mead came to 1.151. It just didn't seem right being so high, but i took them anyway. Hearing that the D-47 for your brew started at 1.100 makes me feel better so I am hoping, lol.
1.012 sounds super low.
Well, all I know is it’s super active with co2 production right now. Only one surprisingly not showing signs of ferment is the regular mead. Just being honey water and yeast. I’ll be giving them all a shake today though and see if the regular meads activity changes.
What I mean is 1.012 hardly has any sugars. It may come out at like 1-2% at most.
Ah gotcha. Well I have three pounds of honey in their with rose hips, blackberries, ground cloves and some cinnamon sticks. Of course I could’ve read the hydrometer wrong too
@@Shadethedragonwolf I'm thinking more like 1.120 for that, yep.
When you're stirring it while degassing aren't you adding oxygen?
Well... not really. You see, oxygen is lighter than CO2, so if CO2 is coming out of the solution and going up, it effectively pushes any oxygen out, so very little, if any gets in.
You know you can buy a refractometer for $30. You can't use it for FG, but you can use it for OG.
Sure you can. But, it's no big deal to use a hydrometer. I have a refractometer, it's just sitting in the gear tub.