This Pro-Life Pastor's Sermon on Abortion Deserves a Larger Audience | NYT Opinion
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- In the debate over abortion, it often seems there’s not much room for nuance: You’re either for it or against it.
But in the Opinion video above, the Rev. Clinton L. Stancil, the pastor of Wayman A.M.E. Church in St. Louis, articulates a position that is heard all too rarely, particularly among faith leaders.
He is opposed to abortion on moral grounds and counsels his parishioners against getting the procedure. But he is also vehemently supportive of a woman’s right to choose. In an interview with Opinion Video, he called the Supreme Court decision that eliminated the constitutional right to abortion “a tragedy.”
Mr. Stancil, 60, who was a sales executive for IBM before entering the ministry, anchors his pro-choice position in Scripture. But he is also deeply concerned that the new restrictions on abortion access will disproportionately harm Black communities, spurring poverty and crime. (Black women have a far higher abortion rate than white women, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.)
Mr. Stancil, who is active on civil rights issues in St. Louis and has discussed the abortion debate in his sermons this year, offered to deliver his guest essay in the form of a sermon. We recorded it as a postscript to a Sunday service this month.
As it has for many houses of worship in the United States, attendance at Wayman A.M.E. still hasn’t rebounded to prepandemic levels. So Mr. Stancil, a kinetic preacher whose partly improvised sermons often run half an hour or more, finds himself these days speaking to a congregation that is mostly tuning in via the church’s live streams. We thought his message deserved a wider audience.
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Hello, I’m Kirk Semple, and I produced this Opinion Video. When I first heard the Rev. Clinton L. Stancil preach this year, I knew I wanted to work with him on a video. Over the course of numerous conversations, he explained to me how his views on abortion had evolved. He anchors his lifelong, anti-abortion stance in Scripture, but has come to his pro-choice views more recently, through ministering to disadvantaged Black communities around the country. For him, discussions about abortion and abortion rights in the Black population shouldn’t be separated from discussions about police prejudice, high unemployment rates, the lack of access to health care, the poor state of urban schooling and what he called “the school-to-prison pipeline.” I’d love to know what you think of the video, and what’s on your mind regarding abortion rights.
Of course you would record and upload this. It’s an incomplete thought at best, and deceptive at best.
You can't call yourself pro-life if your support for children ends the second they are born. You are pro-birth, not pro-life. Put your money where your mouth is and support programs that bring people out of poverty and provide the possibility to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for everyone.
@@Andrew.Drennan It wouldn't matter. A person could be in favor of the most generous welfare programs ever, creating the strongest families, top tier childcare, flawless schools and broad resources to help out parents in need to raise a child. The left would still demand free access to abortion and demonize you for having ethics and a concern for the unborn. You see this all over the world.
So the argument is... For the sake of the mother, the child must die. It would interesting to here his his and your opinion on the use of lack of use of contraception. The cost of an abortion would fund contraception for that woman (or man) years of protection.
Amen
The quality of life doesn't diminish the intrinsic value of life or it's potential. From a religious standpoint I believe he's struggling. If the Bible says no, it's no, as simple as that.
Honestly I came to this video thinking I would get something of value but as I watched on, I felt out of sorts and came down to the comments and there it was, your comment. This literally sums it up thank you. A lot of people are being misled by such notions
Its quite interesting to see someone who believes no one should take away their own life under their circumstances but telling others they can take away other people’s rights.
@@ndube4589 I'm expressing that I support not giving the capability to murder. Why should one's ability to make a choice grant the ability to end a life?
Amen
@@overwhelmed2879 it always comes down to perspective it seems. Some come at it with a focus on the unborn child's right to live, regardless of trimester, race, etc to varying degrees.
Others come at it with a focus on the mother's right to her own life, health, etc to varying degrees.
And lastly, far fewer seem to come at this with a balanced, critical, & scientific focus on both the unborn child _and_ mother.
All conversations, debates, etc need to start from a more balanced foundation like this, in my opinion.
Smdh this pastor is pro death and your caption is clickbait
Do you support the death penalty, Jimmy?
@@Len-jk4zi yes, baby's aren't murderous felons. abortionists are though.
No amount of screaming into the microphone or false bravado will make what this man is saying congruent with scripture. To equate a life without a wall-street job to not living at all is a disgrace, especially coming from a church leader. Blessed are the meek, blessed are the poor. Living a life of comfort is not God’s priority, bringing souls to live with Him is. We have no right to prevent a purely innocent soul from living a life and finding God.
Fantastic. Now, stop projecting your religious beliefs on others who don't share the same viewpoints, or try to bring about legislation that would force people to comply with those viewpoints.
@dt089 why are you here listening to a man of faith.....let me guess you only listen if you agree with him
@@dt089 And stop projecting your athihestic views on others. God is our father, and what will he do against that nation to hurts its children? I will tell you what . the time will come when Gods anger will be rained down upon the US in great fury .
Jesus suffered. He knows what it is. Why then do we feel we won't. Our High Priest understands the human condition; He came down & lived as 1, was BORN...
Of all the ways the son of God could've chosen to come down-he chose to be conceived & born of a mother. Could it be that it's the sanctity of pregnancy & child birth?
@@dt089 your perspective is flawed. What you call “religious views” I call “truth”, and I have every right and obligation to speak and inform people of the truth. God makes it very clear how preciously he views human life, you live with blinders thinking that abortion is not an ultimate disgrace to Him. I speak so that the truth may be known to people with more open ears, hearts, and minds than yours. And I pray my words plant seeds in you that one day grow into a true faith. I challenge you to dive deeply into scripture to find your answers. God bless.
Leave it to the NYT to present a “pastor” failing to take a biblical stance on abortion as something “good” 🤡
Your god kills babies all the time. He is not “prolife”.
This is definitively not a Christian stance on the issue
Then you're a bad christian.
@Michael McCallion A person that supports the unnecessary suffering of innocent victims is not a Christian.
@@Len-jk4zi So true king, real christianity is when you prioritise race politics over objective moral values 🔥🔥🔥I hope you realise that the guy's speech would get him excommunicated in any real church?
@@realcirno1750 There's no such thing as objective moral values.
@@Len-jk4zi in a world with no christianity that would indeed be the case, hence my comment
Did the baby get a choice?
As hard as it is, that's what the autonomy of choice is; however laws can be made around how we use are choices to some what make it balance and fearer. We Christian need to be balance in how we approach this very sensitive issue , Yes there is a very high amount of abortion and this is very bad; however we need to build bridges to help make the law take into account both person mother and baby where we are not stripping the rights of one over the other. I know if we only hold are horses; we can balance the table.
Sad that someone is advocating for child murder just cause the child will be in poverty.
You get it because your not grew up poverty
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, But the end thereof are the ways of death.
Proverbs 14:12 KJV
I am pro life . We have a great grandson born at 24 weeks and 2 pounds 9 ounces. The child is doing well.
For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.
Ephesians 6:12 NLT
The bible says
You are not alive
Nor a person
Until you take your 1st
Independent 3 breaths after birth
Read the bible
It's full of incest, murder, slavery
And God killing babies
Also the church HELPED make abortion legal
Until Ronald Reagan came along
And to get that vote
They had to abandon abortion
And ever since then
The church had been anti abortion
It's all about power and money
You're a clump of cells Until birth
This is more about race then abortion 😐
Exactly, My only problem with this otherwise important message. "White evangelicals?" what? While the message is great and the pastor is probably a good man. It's unfortunate to see racial politics being dragged into this debate regardless of the message that the speaker tried to approach this topic with.
Yeah it's amazing that he's advocating on killing his own race.
I saw the exact same thing. As always with all respect to all people of race and color, the focus is not to separate ourselves with people like us, but as Christians, we don’t see color, race, etc, rather we see brothers and sisters who believe and follow the same teachings which come from Jesus. The message is the Bible teaches on pro-life and that is it.
Liberals need to learn the REAL history of abortion in the U.S. and African Americans.
Do a search about abortion clinics placed in high African American populations.
The greatest disadvantage in life is being denied the chance to live.
This
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Ugly abortom
Got denied the chance of living implies that it hadn't live in the first place.
And you don't get to sustain your life by becoming a parasite of unwilling host
Murder is murder. His message is totally hypocritical. He is not "pro-life" when he says a woman who murdered her child made the right decision.
This world is getting sick, or its already sick. A pastor for abortion is straight up bad.
I agree. Roland Warren makes a consistent pro life argument and goes further - we should be pro abundant life. Murder is not a solution. Strong families are.
FAXX, JUST SAY YOU FOR ABORTION
It meant the exterminating circumstances but I think in those circumstances the woman could have had the baby adopted
The bible permits abortion in certain circumstances
The Word of God trumps man’s opinion. God is not ok with the taking of innocent life. 😢
Numbers 5:19-24
Really? The same god who ordered over 2 million people to be killed in the bible? Just counting the ones where numbers where given? Excluding the destruction of 60+ entire cities, for which no numbers were given, or the flood? Dont you think there were innocent living organisms involved? Babies? Kittens? Plants? How on earth is that monster pro life in any way, shape or form.
I've seen churches force expectant mothers to "Confess to their sins"....tell them to have their baby..then refuse to support those same mothers that they humiliate after their babies are born..
There are a lot of fallen churches out there, many of them are pushing the death of children and the sexual degeneration our culture is going through.
Matthew 7:21-23
21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’
Jeremiah 1:4-5
4The word of the LORD came to me, saying:
5“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I set you apart
and appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Matthew 18:6
"but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."
@@hellooutsiders6865 yada yada yada
That is tragically abusive. Don't attack someone who's obviously already in crisis. Unloving + unkind. Literally the opposite of what that pregnant parishioner needs 😕
@@user-ib9ky2jo9h It's always the Godless that lead to a divided and broken society, you are being ignorant to how the nature of man works over time.
Next time you blame your opposition for the world getting worse just look in the mirror, you're opposing yourself by not following the truth.
@@user-ib9ky2jo9h so you actually not here to listen to the actual word of God, but to inforce your already evil motives for abortion ?
LOL, there's like 9 people in the congregation. Not to mention, they had a whole film crew to capture this, so chances are those are just actors anyway.
And yet most of the country is still pro choice.
Sir if you believe in the sanctity of life you also have to believe that it should be illegal, because abortion kills an innocent human life.
But making it illegal in many cases doesn't protect the sanctity of the woman's life! That's the point!!
A good medical example is an ectopic pregnancy. This is still a pregnancy. It's a baby forming outside the womb and incredibly dangerous for the woman to let carry on. And to make it illegal to have an abortion would be condemning the woman to death.
Or if you know your baby won't survive for that long once born because of a defect. Or will spend the rest of their life in pain with no quality of life.
You cannot be pro-life and disregard the life of the woman. She was there first and she still deserves life. You saying that her life is less important than a baby she never wanted, planned or was even forced upon her is disgusting.
That is a morally repugnant position to take.
I only hope when you reach the pearly gates that God denies you entry for not valuing ALL of humanity.
The fact that this Preacher only has a dozen in the audience but the maniacs have hundreds screaming and paying for their ramblings is discouraging
They should really plug in his microphone so he doesn't have to scream into it.
This!
@@desmond-hawkins do prolife policy makers listen when we kindly ask them to not use our bodies for the survival of others, without our permission? Asking for a few million Americans.
True. Thoughtful and truly transformative religion is rare these days. It requires soul searching and some depth, not to mention humility. These are in short supply with folks who would rather be "right" than be lovers.
If you believe in a woman’s right to choose that makes you pro choice sir.
Not really. A woman will always have the right to choose. But what's important is wether her choice is right or wrong. Meaning that it may have consequences if a bad decision is made. So, just because one believes in a woman's right to choose, does not mean they condone them making the wrong choices.
@@pxo_.4 the right choice is always abortion, then nothing can go wrong .
@@pxo_.4 a woman doesn’t always have the right to choose at all… that’s why people have to travel to access services that have been outlawed. You are wrong and inconsistent. Nobody who can’t spell whether correctly is worth listening to about “right and wrong”.
@@pri.sci.lla. Ma'am. When I said "a woman will always have the right to choose" I did not mean she will always be accessible to getting an abortion. I will recant as you are clearly misreading my message. Women who choose to have an abortion and are going through the needed initiative to go through with the termination of the human growing within them have the choice to carry forward with it. As much as I believe they have a choice, does not mean that I condone them making the wrong choice. That's what I meant. But we can always agree to disagree❤
@@pri.sci.lla. and I do not appreciate you dismissing my opinion just because it doesn't align with yours🙂.
What about slavery? Before slavery was abolished It was just as much of a “choice” to own slaves as it was to not own slaves
By your logic, we should never have abolished slavery because it infringes on someone else’s personal choice
It’s only convenient to talk about certain peoples rights, unborn children are too inconvenient
This
You know what some slave owners did to their slaves? They forcefully impregnated them and made them give birth to even more slaves. What y'all are doing IS SLAVERY. Don't you dare try projecting your white Caucasian opinion on to everyone else. Have a seat.
@@weirdhilltodieonbutatleast9268No, you got it twisted. The abortion industry literally enables modern day slavers and rapists. Planned parenthood allows perpetrators to destroy the evidence of their horrific crimes by forcing their victims to get abortions. Abortion does this while simultaneously dehumanizing the babies, exactly like slavery. Not only does abortion create another victim of a violent crime by killing a baby, but it also allows POS rapists and traffickers to never have to face accountability.
Facts
Well said! No one understands the circumstances of a woman who is pregnant than that woman.
Moral of the story... Don't get pregnant in the first place.
@@chrisgormley3517 Moral of the story, pregnancies happen, let the woman choose what she wants. And don't be a disgusting pig like you are Chris.
@@ragsriches8213 awwwhhh. Name calling is all you have? Why can't you use contraception?
And no one cares about the dead children that an unrestrictive abortion policy leads to, nor do they care about the consequences of an irresponsible and depraved society that creates a demand and wish for such an outcome.
@@grmpEqweer Oh really? Why is it that the norm in European countries is 12-15 weeks. Yet here in the USA, democrats want abortion on demand, some up until the child is in the birth canal.
“What every you did to the least of these brothers and sisters of mine you did it to me.” Matt 25. John the Baptist was the first person to respond to Jesus when he leapt for joy at the mere presence of Jesus in Mary’s womb. Pro life groups do more than anyone to help mothers after birth. And are there for the woman who weep over their aborted babies. Could you and your church not have done the same for that mother and child you speak off? Pastor, have you not more in common with Herod and the NY Times who advocate the death of babies, than with Jesus. Pastor, repent, stop the deception and help those who love them both. Amen.
Amen
I really appreciate this video, as it has been hard to find people who are torn on this issue, as I am. Most people seem to be very one sided in their opinions on this topic. I just had my first child three weeks ago, and I love her more than I can express. I am a teacher, and I love children of all types and ages. I am a Christian, and I believe that every child is a gift from God. But I also have to acknowledge that we do not live in a system where everyone is able to have a child. Whether that is because of financial or physical reasons, or any other reason, we cannot make those decisions for them. It makes me deeply sad, but that is the reality of our world. If we want to change that, we have a LOT of work to do. I'm so glad to know there are people out there who are aware of this and feel as conflicted as I do.
I am white British Catholic (not an absolutist).But Poverty has crippled me once before where I couldn’t feed my self. Stuff meant pro-life wasn’t an humane ‘option’. God gave us ‘free will’ and I believe we should exercise that right when we believe the lack of free will harms us & others.
Congrats on your kiddo.
I would like birth control to be 100% effective and free to everyone.🥳 I'd also like free or heavily subsidized daycare, more pay all around, just make it easier to be a good parent if you do have children
Torn between truth a goofy fairytale that they were brainwashed into believing as young ignorant and impressionable children
Thanks for sharing! Even beyond the moral quandary and socioeconomic issues, abortion is a hugely important healthcare issue.
A couple could do everything right by traditional religious standards... They get married, and then because he has a genetic issue or she's at high risk of dying in childbirth they always use protection. He even gets a vasectomy, but one day she gets pregnant anyway. It happens. Now what? Should they have to bring a baby into the world with a horrible disease or with no mother? It's not just a religious or financial consideration, but a life/death medical decision!
And what about when a fetus dies in utero? It's not uncommon, and removing it is medically considered an abortion in many places. Waiting for it to be naturally 'flushed out' can take weeks and is inhumane for a grieving would-be mother, not to mention the physical pain and risk of life-threatening infections. Again, this is a life/death medical decision!
Pregnancy is not the magical journey that Christian influencers would like us all to believe in. There's a lot that can go wrong and making it illegal for a person or their doctor to choose an abortion is just so shortsighted and wrong. Some people in this country seem to think of abortion as a free pass for irresponsible immoral idiots, but it's not. It's a tough choice that most people take very seriously when faced with it, and it's medical necessity in so many cases. Outlawing it is insane.
@@MrCaku This is absolutely a great comment. Anyone else interested in this topic might benefit from watching "Birthright: A War Story", here on YT. Refusal of your body is self preservation, and free people are allowed it.
A false teacher misleading his flock. Absolutely disgraceful. He will answer for his heresy one day.
He made this all about race and not life. And if he read his bible he'd know that race is a social construct. No thx
Dude, just because we have a choice doesn't mean there isn't a societal and moral punishment for murder.
Indeed
Abortion isn't murder. Sit down.
@@weirdhilltodieonbutatleast9268 it is.
Medical procedure isn't murder
@@rajashashankgutta4334 purposely killing I child in the womb is not health care... murder isn't health care.
Somebody help me understand how his argument can't be applied to murder. It is their choice. Every sin is a choice, but that shouldn't affect policy.
Is it going on your medical record?
That's how.
Exactly. It's murder. His argument is so morally flawed.
If I need a kidney, I can't force you to give me one. If I need a heart transplant, I can't force anyone, even my own mother, to give me hers. It is not moral to use somebody's body in order to keep someone else alive. It's not like murder, it's like forcing somebody else to use THEIR body in order to keep YOU alive. And that's illegal.
@@mirunapopescu The pro-life position has nothing to do with what I want. The pro-life position is in the interest of the unborn child. It is immoral to commit murder. This preacher says that it is murder, but the woman has the right to commit the sin. This is nonsense. If that were true, then nothing would be illegal. We would just let everyone commit their sins regardless of the harm to another.
@@ethanward3500 the pro-life position has everything to do with that. And frankly, it's not pro-life, it's pro-forced-birth.
It may had been her choice, but there are consequences for the bad choices we make too! You may think she raised herself above poverty, after that abortion, but the guilt and shame of her abortion choice will hurt her for the rest of her life. 👉🏽 That's the part both sided preachers do not seem to consider. And what is the church doing to help those struggling in poverty, besides pocketing the money to get rich? Don't put all the blame on the evangelicals, look at yourself too! Abirtion is more that getting rid of an unwanted pregnancy-darkness is also attached to it.
So, you hear the same theme from many of you who are posting. “I am a Christian” “I’m God fearing”, “I’m pro life”…blah, blah, blah…and then, like this preacher, you say “I believe a woman should be able to choose” ok, YOU ARE NOT PRO-LIFE. You are pro-choice. The entire discussion is if the GOVERNMENT should sanction legal murder? THAT’S the question. One thing I did not hear is what God thought about the burning, crushing (of skull) or dismembering (called abortion) of the child. Hmmm, somehow, this preacher left God out of the equation🧐. He also left out the person who is pushing HARD to keep abortion alive. SATAN. Hmmm, do you think Satan is pro-life or pro-choice. The preacher and MANY of you professing Christians have been bamboozled. It’s wrong to murder babies.
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THANK YOU
I’m like are we really even listening to what he’s actually saying? It’s like putting a designer label on a knockoff product.
Hmmm. He literally said that the Bible mentions giving people a choice. Hmmm. You also left out how your god literally killed already born kids. Hmmm. But you're gonna ignore that or say it's misinterpreted aren't you. Hmmm. Weird. You're dismissed.
saur true. “im a christian” “im a pastor “ “im strictly pro life” but then justify abortion . how sad🥺
This is not a biblical stance. It's just a reasoned stance. That's a difference that any christian/atheist should be able to discern. The fact that he's a pastor doesn't change anything. The Bible mentions God made a donkey talk, but hid himself from the wise and learned.
Exactly!
@Michael McCallion yes it does.
Exactly , this pastor is a false prophet and a liar , he's spreading false information
@Michael McCallion It's literally a commandmment.
@Michael McCallion My apologies I missed that. I now understand that your question was rhetorical.
Of course it's a choice. The point is it's an immoral choice.
Exactly. That’s why The NY Times is pushing this “sermon.” 🤦🏾♀️ This dude is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Bought & paid for leading his own people to our utter & ultimate destruction. Then he goes on to push the division of black & white! God created us ALL. We’re ALL fellow human beings. Satan picked this man bc, sadly, a lot of black folks will be deceived by him. 😢God bless you Miss Stephanie! You keep that strong backbone & continue to speak the truth in the face of evil. I’m so proud of you!
Beware of false prophets.
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you".
One day this man will stand before God and be held accountable for promoting the death of God's unborn children. May God have mercy on his soul 🙏
Are you serious? Have you even read the Bible? Christ is ashamed of you!
@@romanarendt-ij2sg Yes, and Abortion is murder. This is one of the reasons for the Babylonian captivity.
@@romanarendt-ij2sgexplain why he’s ashamed. Cmon don’t be quiet now and reply with your reason!
He is lost
False teaching.
“I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother’s belly.” - Psalm 22:10
“See, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.” -Psalm 127:3
“For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother’s womb. I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.” - Psalm 139:13-14
“Did not he that made me in the womb make him? and did not one fashion us in the womb?” - Job 31:15
“Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;” - Isaiah 44:24
“And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42 and she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.” - Luke 1:41-44
1 Corinthians 6:19
"Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;"
Thank you for this verse. This “my body my choice” ideology is not supported by God. Its “ Gods temple, your choice”.
the Double minded man is unstable in all his ways
Fix the problems rather than killing the children.
Galatians 1:10 ESV - For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.
Good choice of passage
Terrible 😔
This is an abomination, He doesn’t represent a man of God, subjective truth is not Truth
I will pray that God's brings us all clarity on this issue.... It's on us as adults to find a way to protect the life of that unborn child... you're right pastor, we need to be sensitive to the struggles people face in these situations... however, abortion is nothing more than government approved murder.... the intentional ending of an innocent life, for any reason, needs to be abolished.... and more needs to be done to ensure these children are protected after they are born.... My house is open to anyone that needs it, is yours?
Excellent well said
Woman body is her choice.
baby 👶🏽 has a chose
@@AirNava could it be then pull it out and let it decide if it want to live? Obviously it can't decide for him/herself yet. I wish we had such technologies to allow to sustain baby further development on any stage ,but Unfortunately now the baby can't sustain without woman. So if the woman do not want to have it, it's no better then inslavement of the woman body. How is it for woman to carry a baby in own belly if the woman confident "I do not want to have it!"
I'd rather wish we invest in technologies that allow to sustain babies development on early pregnancy stage without woman body needed.
@@AirNava
It's not a baby until it can survive outside of the mother's body. Until then it needs the mother to be a living life support machine.
Does any adult get to *legally force another adult to be a life support machine for themselves?*
@@grmpEqweer You aren't a Christian then.
Jeremiah 1:4-5
4The word of the LORD came to me, saying:
5“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I set you apart
and appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
Luke 1:41
And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit,
It’s not your body
The man's a monster.
The Bible calls for us to live the right life, not the easy one. The easy life is the life where if you do get pregnant, you ditch the baby for yourself. The right life is where you get pregnant, accept what’s happened, and then come out of your situation stronger than ever with a new born baby be your side. Satan is the one who wants you to do away with your new born. It’s also the choice that God gave, but it’s not the right choice. Pro life for ever❤️✊✝️
“As a Christian I’m really against murder but people should have the right to choose”
Liberals : my body my choice!!
Also liberals: I believe in required vaccinations!!
This is not a pro life pastor. This is an attempt to brainwash by the nytimes by showing you how "compassionate pastors" are actually pro choice. Therefore if youre a good Christian you should be too.
Life is much better than death, at the end of Deuteronomy 30:19, God says, "Therefore choose life;" He commands us to choose life, meaning we must do so. Just as when Adam was told he couldn't eat the fruit. We as Christians shouldn't advocate for wrong decisions that God has strictly told us not to commit. So, just because of circumstances you shouldn't choose whether a child gets to live or die. We can't commit murder on an adult that's having a bad life so why assume that a child will have one and base abortion (the unlawful killing of an unborn child) on that? A child/fetus whatever you want to call it, is a human inside and outside of the womb so we ought to give them the dignity and respect that God has given all of us. They. Are. Our. Neighbors.
I just want to add the end of that verse is the reward for the right choice...
Deu 30:19 KJV I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore CHOOSE LIFE, that both YOU and YOUR SEED MAY LIVE:
I like how you're placing more value on unborn children than you are on children who are already born *as well as the women who will legitimately suffer as a result of being forced give birth when they do not want to.*
I get that life is not solely about luxury and convenience. But life is not "better than death" when you are forced to endure unessescary suffering just to satiate someone else's religious beliefs.
You put so much emphasis on merely being alive in this world. What about actually _living?_
Yes, there is a difference.
@@eliesh3833 Read it again
As a (white) person who has been homeless (back in NY, before I left for Germany), I have to say that it's horrible being a poor woman of any color. Women of color have to deal with the double whammy of racism and sexism, though. If they have a child, then they are castigated as "welfare moms", but if they have an abortion, then evangelicals call them evil murderers. It's a no-win situation. A great solution would be to do in the US what we have here in Germany: it's called Kindergeld, and it's a child allowance for all families with kids. You get 219 Euros per month. It's not a lot, but you could use it for things like baby nappies and formula. Every woman who works is guaranteed paid maternity leave. There are cheap daycare centers here, and some German states even have free daycare and kindergarten. That's how you prevent abortion!
You know what a great solution is? Getting married. And not leeching off others. Building your own family. That's a great solution. Not your enabling nonsense.
@@forallofme4441 booooooooooooooo
Omgosh, that is so simple minded. A relative got one when het husband left her and the tot. She found out she was preg. The Gma told her she needed to get it so she can focus on getting her life together. There are a lot of unique situations of which others who criticize have never even thought of which is why this needs to be an option.
@@forallofme4441 you know what's nonsense,
Being stupid enough to only be able to see an adults life progressing in one way.
@@forallofme4441 Marriage doesn't work for me.
It also doesn't make me any better at caring for children.
This has Been my main point when it comes to this topic. And the facts cant be ignored.. Its a no brainier topic in my opinion
He pastor has raised no points that are valid spiritually or lawfully k he's incorrect from the time he opened his mouth
The bible says
You are not alive
Nor a person
Until you take your 1st
Independent 3 breaths after birth
Read the bible
It's full of incest, murder, slavery
And God killing babies
Also the church HELPED make abortion legal
Until Ronald Reagan came along
And to get that vote
They had to abandon abortion
And ever since then
The church had been anti abortion
It's all about power and money
You're a clump of cells Until birth
Just letting y’all know that Deuteronomy 30:19 means that if you don’t “choose life” by following God’s commandments, you literally get cursed by God with death.
The clickbait did not disappoint. An enlightened man. Able to change his mind about a core belief, while dogma and peers expect him to think fall in line.
So essentially, the pregnant gal did a human sacrifice so she could advance her education. Got her Phd, and her later kid works on Wall Street. This preacher thinks that sacrifice is worth it. I say, if she’s that smart, she would still have achieved it, with her first kid in tow. Determined people are like that. Don’t believe the lie. Look at Senator Tim Scott, look at the neurosurgeon, Ben Carson. One thing about these two: they never made an excuse not to achieve- they just did it.
Teach the Word of GOD, not your Opinion. A True follower of Christ will be a Servant, and a Servant will never give his own Opinion, except His Master's Opinion.
Teach only GODs Word, Not your Opinion
We don't know the word of god.
He might be more convincing to the white legislators if he argued without invoking race. Turning abortion into a race thing does zero to make it less polarizing and more nuanced.
That’s a pile or horsecrap. It’s *been* a pile of horsecrap since the very first time a white anti-abortion activist called abortion a means of black genocide or invoked Margaret Sanger’s eugenicist views and founding Planned Parenthood in the same sentence-without admitting the painful irony that Sanger herself was staunchly against abortion.
This has perfectly put into words how I feel about abortion. Well said!
Then you are just as foolish as this man.
Yes
Furthermore, I'm a white Catholic, and I not only donate to pro life communities, but helped raise my nieces and nephews. I put my money where my mouth is. It's a pity you can't do the same.
This man will pay a price for this if he doesn’t repent from this position.
He is wrong. Shame on Him.
"The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners, immigrants, the sick, the poor, widows, orphans. All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible, they all get thrown under the bus for the unborn
Congrats on writing a whole lot of nothing, for the exact reasons you wrote the unborn are also an awfully convenient group of PEOPLE as you yourself stated, to murder. They’re defenseless, voiceless and completely dependent on others. I suppose that we should be allowed to murder any human that is temporarily in a state that fits all the criteria you mentioned, including sleeping people, since they don’t gain or express any of the functions you mentioned until they’re awake.
So he's a weak fence sitter got it
Is this about “white legislators “ or the life of a child?
This Pastor is not pro-life. Picking and choosing Bible verses and taking it out of context. The Bible says God hates hands that shed innocent blood.
The preacher is correct that it’s a choice but what people really want is the blessings (yeah it’s ok with me to take the life of your kid) and the affirmation of those who DONOT agree.
You can chose what ever you want to do but you cant do it with my blessing.
And the argument about caring for the child before it is born and not caring after the child is born a false choice.
It is The attempt to redirect responsibly from the mother for the child onto citizens that will not give her their blessing to terminate the life of her child. And use it as justification.
It’s wrong and the preacher is wrong for trying to justify abortion because he claims those who won’t give their blessing won’t take care of the child after it’s born. Trying to spare the child from cruelty, suffering or disadvantaged life does NOT override the Childs right to life.
The only responsibility of the citizen is to care about the life of the child.
Caring and support of the child is the mothers responsibility and the fathers responsibility. This attitude comes from a generation of welfare recipients that don’t feel
They should be responsible for their own support.
In spite of all the struggles and injustices The black family was intact before 1962 but after this year you can see how the black family has been dismantled by welfare legislation by "white democrat legislators.". The year welfare stated up in America. The incentive was to have children you couldn't support and not be married. this is why back children have been without fathers more than any other racal group. look it up!
It’s this kind of message that fuels victim dependency onto poor people.
and
"A white legislator on black bodies" comment is a twisted comment that is bigoted. It was Democrat White legislators that crippled the black people with welfare. It was the White democrat that opened the doors to abortion starting with Margaret Sanger to dispose of undesirables. It was the white democrat Judges 7-2 that refused to acknowledge black people as humans to deny them freedom in Dredd Scott. It was the white democrats that voted overwhelmingly to deny blacks civil rights in 1960. Come on man open your eyes my black brother and my black sister your being hustled by people pretending to be on your side but want to put you back in chains. They tell you they are your friend just keep voting for me. Its white Democrat legislators and a white Democrat President that said "if you don't vote for me you aint black." Joe Biden is saying He owns your blackness and your identity. Joe Biden.
Murder is unjustifiable. This pastor needs to step down and REPENT
I'm a Christian, and I'm pro-life however there's valid points he's making here.
Some pro-life policy makers have stances that don't help working mothers or offer accessible health care or good schooling. They aren't pro LIFE just pro birth.
On a grassroots level, of we're Christians that truly support Pro-life, we gotta make care about schooling, health care and paid maternity leave.
He’s right we all have a choice ;God gives us free will. All blacks are NOT poor and many still have abortions. This video seems to be about race and not life. I’m led to believe since the female he spoke of became “successful “ it was justified. It’s misleading. I’m prolife, post abortion and BLACK!!! I’m sick of this same stuff being preached in the church and I think God might be as well. Just my thoughts. We really need to look at the numbers and talk to each other not just listen to what some preacher or politician said.
Also there are consequences to having an abortion such as increased likelihood of anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts especially among military women. Next we will be discussing right to life for elderly and those deemed “unworthy “ of life. Where does it end?
Where does this end? It ended in 1973. SCOTUS brought it back just now.
You have misconstrued the pro-choice argument so much, I swear to God.
My thoughts exactly
This is a Shame that a so-called man of God has taken a knee to the social justice gospel that is leading somany away from the True gospel of Jesus Christ. This is a clear example of the great falling away, people having itching ears, preaching a false doctrine. Please read Jeremiah 23 chapter 🙏 you'll see that this type of sermon is so very dangerous. God have mercy on this man's soul
Please read the 1st Amendment and stop trying to backdoor cram your religion down my throat.
Yeah compassion and empathy are definitely things Jesus hated
“Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want. This is why the greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion.” St Teresa of Calcutta
Sounds exactly like a politician not a pastor
The greatest disadvantage of life is not being able to make decisions about your own body
The body inside a woman's body is not her body.
It’s your body but the life in your body is not your life.
@@israelleon8677 a nonsentient fetus isn’t life. It is philosophically dead. Even so, you have the right to take it out of your body, even if it means “killing” it
@@harleygator so if someone is strapped to you against your will and taking nutrients from your body that they need to live, you have an obligation to stay tied to that person?
@@bb3k761 Wrong! GOD says it’s a “LIFE.” What you are advocating is murder and your trying be all righteous about it but I’m here to tell you your WRONG because GOD says it’s wrong.
The Bible made me a conservative. There is no nuance. Being a Bible-believing Christian means being pro-life and rejecting Moloc baby sacrifices for a better life. I truly hope this pro-choice pastor repents before it's too late.
Amen!
Huh. Well, I guess declaring that nuance doesn't exist in a certain situation makes living in your own reality that much easier.
Why can't you support pro-life legislation and welfare for babies?
Inconvenience is not a good reason to support abortion.
I think that we should pray for this pastor it’s not okay for abortions
Dumb people - abortion is wrong.
Dumb people - I don't care, it's my choice.
Smart people - abortion isn't great, but nor are the consequences of not allowing abortion.
If you're not prolifechoice then you haven't thought deep enough about this subject.
Pro-life-choice seems like a more practical and nuanced aproach to this.
Pro-life in how we feel about conception and human life, but pro-choice in our practical application to the situation that is pregancy.
@@eliesh3833 yeah totally, glad you agree. Most people are too busy spewing venom to actually stop and think about it rationally.
What are the consequences of not allowing abortion, exactly, that justify the killing of an innocent human being?
@@harleygator I'm not here to argue if the good outweighs the bad which is where you're question is obviously leading. Well unless you literally can't think of any negative consequences to banning abortion? which if that's the case I'm not going to waste my breath explaining as I'm sure the reason you can't see any negative consequences is due to either a lack of rational thinking, or pure stubbornness. Both would be pointless for me to try engage against.
I rebuke this evil spirit in the name of Jesus. Please don’t be fooled by this twisted thinking. Saying murder is okay because it is a complicated situation to deal with or because our government doesn’t have the right set up is a whack mindset. We don’t shift our beliefs or what the Word says based on the narrative.
Non consensual use of sexual organs is illegal, including forcing the pregnant to give birth against their will.
Thank you for this message, because you are right.
Remember, the devil will never tell you he is a bad guy. But you know that people who differentiate between the born and the unborn are from the devil and are willing to do the devil's work. They hate and do not care about a child five minutes after it is born. They are proud of this and call this hatred Christianity. You know this is the philosophy of the devil.
He does not speak. He only shouts.
This pastor needs a true conversion.
Revelation 3.15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm-neither hot nor cold-I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
This is blasphemy. He is using his own Bible instead of Gods Bible. There is only one Bible. We as Christians should not be basing what Christianity we practice base on our politics but the Bible
I fully agree with the NYT that we need a change in power of both the Senate and Congress in November to save the economy.
I needed to see this. A glimpse of what he saw that's pushed us into believing that preventing an infant's birth to spare them the pain of living in a wretched and cruel society is the preferred option.
Exactly… it’s used as justification to take the life of a child and it’s wrong.
With this same reasoning then society can be justified denying the right to life of disabled, crippled, mentally disabled, economically disabled people. To spare them of their suffering and their struggles
It’s wrong!
@@israelleon8677You missed the point.
The moment he said white evangelicals this pastor made it a race issue.
The fact is everyone suffers albeit maybe not more than others whether physical/emotional/both. Even being conceived by parents who have the resources to support a child does not guarantee that human being will not ever suffer. Maybe that human being will have a great upbringing maybe not. Maybe the human being will suffer in its adolescence and/or adulthood. We don't know.
It's a scientific fact that life begins at conception. Leading geneticists and embryologist (a lot of them who are pro-choice) agree with that and a lot of science has helped us to affirm this since Roe v. Wade.
@@shaggysmoothie85that's why we shouldn't gamble with the idea that a woman must give birth just to see what shall become of that offspring, especially if we aren't the ones who are going to do the part of raising that child. We shouldn't mess with something that isn't our issue. That's something the woman must decide for herself, not someone else.
When it comes to suffering, no one should be forced to go through something bad they can avoid. It's like saying that someone must walk a dark dangerous alley in the middle of night, risking one's own life (when they could've taken an uber or taxi) because they need suffer. We shouldn't bring or promote suffering upon others. Otherwise, one could justify a serial killer for doing what he does as if he was doing somekind of function for people's life by making the victim's relatives and friends to suffer.
This has nothing to do with whether or not the fetus is a human who is entitled to human rights.
A question for Christians: What happens to the souls of aborted fetuses?
I loved how no body replied LOL
I’ll pray for you !
Everyone is supporting this Demon 😈 in the comments, no wonder black people are cursed!!
Question: If we asked the baby, what do you think they would say? That's your answer to the abortion issue. If there life is so awful later they can always end it (which hopefully they would never consider) but the fact that so few people do commit suicide and almost never do it when sober, tells us much. Where there's life there's hope. Abortion gives no second chances.
this pastor is missing important factor the unborn child that was reap apart to pieces put in garbage can.
This is gobbledygook
God is saying in Deuteronomy you can choose to sin or not sin, you can choose to obey God or not obey God, just as Adam and Eve had a choice not to eat from the tree of good and evil. So if killing a baby is a sin, then it is a sin, and women should repent and ask for forgiveness.
Society can provide more support to poor women who want to abort babies and show them a better path, that there is enough social support to bring up children.
Jesus wouldn't've said that.
You don't know that.
@@Len-jk4zi I knew him.
@@heristyono4755 Congrats for knowing a mexican, then.
These people are false apostles. They are deceitful workers who disguise themselves as apostles of Christ. But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:13-14 NLT
I can agree as a Christian we have our choice to make. But the government isn’t ruled by religious beliefs these days and abortion was implemented by the Democratic Party that had ties with the KKK. So yes we all have a choice that excludes political interference but why is he trying to justify her choices if he’s Pro Life. Society which is ruled by government and media put a mindset to those who believe otherwise will crucify him if he doesn’t form to their way just shows he’s been corrupted. If it’s the people versus government control we have our rights so why doesn’t he stand on his beliefs while acknowledging some that don’t and even with disagreement realizes people make their own choices and it is not his place to support them neither congratulate them. “If you don’t stand for something you’ll fall for anything” that’s goes to anyone who looks for approval from others and social acceptance.
Genesis 2:7, “He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and it was then that the man became a living being”.
Job 33:4, “The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”
Ezekiel 37:5&6, “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”
Argue with the book of God and God himself if you take issue with his sacred word. Any of you who take issue with his word, take it up with him on judgment day that he should change his scripture to fit what your personal definition of morality is.
What a man. Uses is head and heart
I knew this would be blasphemous as soon as I saw who posted it. Shame.
Abortion isn't murder. It's cancelling your pre order
Jesus himself told us (John 8:44) that from the beginning, Satan has been a murderer. Doesn’t matter about race, how this guy speaks or who agrees with him, he’s doing Satan’s work.
Right