One thing that's really helped me with locking my wrists is to actually focus on the bottom of my wrists/forearms for tension. That's the muscle that opposes your wrist curling upwards during muzzle flip. That's why I think a lot of people find that pinky pressure matters because when you squeeze your pinkies you sympathetically squeeze the bottom of your forearms which lessens muzzle flip. Thinking of tightening the top of your wrist to prevent muzzle flip would be like tightening your bicep while you're high-fiving someone, it would make way more sense to tighten your tricep. Try holding a gun and twisting the muzzle up, you'll eventually feel a burn on your lower forearm from resisting the rotation.
The CZ Shadow 2 actually does have a drop safety position that you can lock the hammer into. This feature also goes for their new Shadow 2 compact model. Not to mention the safety should always be activated when loaded and not un use! Hammer down, and fully on safety also of course makes it drop safe. Cheers!
@@wasdwasd24 thanks for your reply. I should have been clearer. What I meant is that Tanfoglios have a firing pin safety (sometimes called a drop safety) which is not present on the shadow 2 or the new shadow compact. That said, if one is comfortable carrying a shadow 2 or a series 70 1911, which also does not have a firing pin safety, that would be a personal choice. I like CZs also but for CZ, I prefer the CZ75B, which has a firing pin safety. Thanks again.
You have opened my eyes. I am 67 years old and been to five world shoots with a comped 45 1911 trick out. Realizing that I am Fred Flintstone in the matches today. Retired and thinking of shooting again. Wow an eye opener. Its not the 80s anymore.
Hot damn, ahead of the curve for once. Bought my first Tan Stock II 10mm (still have it too!) in 2011, and yes, the magazines were a problem only discovered after I bought pretty much every part on Henning's site troubleshooting niggles. I really wanted that Stock III, but they didn't import it to the US until just recently, so I stripped the hard chrome and cerakoted my Tan in HK black and kept the walnut grips; after all the parts and some fitting, still my favorite gun of many to shoot, but it's a tank in a holster. Enter the Force Duty 10mm with a polymer frame, optical-ready slide and rails. After a range trip today shooting the Tan and my P-09 back to back, I've discovered that I HATE the Omega trigger comparatively.
Shadow 2 is like $900 new now on sale. I got a polymer Tanfoglio for $200. It can hang with the Shadow 2 in an experienced shooters hands, but it's closer to the SP-01. Still a great deal in today's market.
First of all great video ...i Been shooting for 15 years IPSC mostly .I have shot both guns and at the end of the day i do prefer Tanfoglio for many reasons..CZ trigger is the best out there but i rather the stack of the tanfo that allow me to prep before break the shot in dbl action where with the CZ i have to pull till break the shot with one long pull..Also the CZ is way heavier in front and for long swing from target to target its hard to stop the gun...With some after market parts and some polish which i recommend Tanfo is a way superior gun overall..shorter than CZ but the bull barrel make the difference ...For a Newby shooter i would go with CZ headache free..for an experienced shooter Tanfoglio is the the top for many reasons . My opinion...
You are the baddest big dad on RUclips! Tanfo video hasn't even reached 2.5k, but you still released comparison video. Thanks! I have CZ shadow 2, but in my country there isn't even Tanfo to buy, so, no remorse there.
Great descriptive and technical video, emphasizing the actual shooting aspect of both pistols. I fully enjoy your expertise from your tactical and accurate shooting competitive experience, over videos from so called experts which don't have any shooting experience at all! Keep the emphasis on the shoot ability of the guns with regards to Ergonomics, Balance, Trigger feel, Accuracy etc. Greatly appreciate the information.
Thanks for this great comparative review. The double action trigger on the stock 2 gets way better if you replace the interruptor with a Patriot Defense Bolo Interruptor. It makes the reset shorter too.
Being drop safe is important, especially when lots of changes are made. At least 2 cases on record of 2 dead because of that. One was from Canada and the other was an RO behind a different guy that dropped it. Not messing with the hammer and firing pin length reduces the risk quite a bit. Still better with the block.
The only one at a match death in Canada that I’ve heard about was a situation where a guy dropped his gun and then caught it before it hit the ground and made contact with the trigger in doing so. That resulted in pulling the trigger which set it off. A firing pin safety/stop would not have prevented anything in that instance. You might be referring to a different situation though.
@@nickwalden9809 There was an RO fatally shot at a Nov 2020 NY USPSA match. Reportedly was a Shadow 2 (good chance it was modified) where the shooter missed the holster with his hammer back. Pistol landed on the back end and discharged.
Actually did a hammer test on my two shadow 2s. One fitted with an aftermarket firing pin and lighter firing pin spring, the other with stock firing pin spring and lighter firing pin spring. Placed them laying flat on a table with the hammer down, and then struck the hammer. The amount of force needed to ingnite the primer was scary low on the one with the extended firing pin. The one with the stock firing pin I could not get to ignite the primer, regardless how hard I hit the hammer.
@@FHompa A co-worker and I once did that with an aftermarket Glock trigger that another guy bought. Slamming it on a wooden workbench with a cleaning mat on it was enough to ignite the primer. I'd argue that a fall to a concrete floor would do so even more easily.
I've owned a Tanfoglio Whitness 75 from the late 80's before CZ could be imported. Paid $290 for it on auction in 2007. I've shot over 5,000 rnds of all types, some that wouldn't fire reliably in my other 9mms. It eats everything I've feed it without ONE, not ONE malfunction of any kind.
Many thanks for this. I’m a new shooter looking for their first pistol and based on everything I’ve seen to date it was going to be a Shadow 2 all the way. However I went to the European outdoor show, and alongside all the other big makers there was a Tanfoglio stand and I had the opportunity to try the Stock 2 against the Shadow 2 back to back. The Tanfoglio felt really good, and so I came on here to find out what I was missing. Turns out nothing…. I might have to change my plans.
The trigger hinge placement on the Stock 2 is why I have both the Stock 2 and the Stock 2 Xtreme. Both the hard chrome finish and the cerakote finishes are awesome. My guns have years of drawing from the holster in USPSA (Production M) and you can’t tell these guns have ever seen a holster. I had to do a lot of work internally to get them nice and smooth, and maintain their super reliability. My Stock 2 had over 8k rounds with no cleaning and ZERO malfunctions at all. I had to clean it because as soon as it got hot, it would leak oil and soot all over my hands, lol. All things being equal, I also own several Beretta’s, and the triggers hinge/ apex of the grip are also very similar to the Stock 2, and I love the Berreta as much or more.
Great video! I’m a Tanfoglio fan. My neighbor has a CZ. CZ was the original design, but like the owner of Tanfoglio said… we took the CZ design and modified it for competition, law enforcement “Tanfoglio force” and for civilian self defense. Tanfoglio was also the first out of the 2 to use polymer frame. CZ then copy all the modifications and made them there own. Tanfoglio is my competition gun all around better gun!
Hopefully Tanfo's reliability has gone up to where it actually can be...relied on. I owned two Stock 2s in 2016-2018 that I spent 150% of base price on just to make them run. Sent them to people from Bodkin to Patriot Defense. Nada. Spoke to Stoeger who was, more or less, a brand ambassador then who conveyed that 2016 guns were "****ed". I guess Tanfos are like Italian wine, there could be a good vintage year or there could be a bad vintage year.
@@BigJohnsonGG Don't worry, I say the same thing about people buying a $4k Gibson Les Paul to just put new pickups in it. Afterall, these guns are more capable than 90% of the buys skill level anyway.
I shot IPSC production optics with the Shadow 2. I agree with you 100% about the Shadow 2 stock trigger shape. The reach is too far on the initial double action trigger pull. I haven't shot the tanfoglio, but at the end of the day they are both excellent handguns.
I too bought a Shadow 2 for Production. When CO took off, I had a slide milled from CGW for the SRO and the CGW trigger upgrade on my Shadow 2 (maybe 3-4 years ago?). While that was going on, I got an optics ready CZ P10F and I built a Glockish G17 clone with Brownell's Polymer 80 super rough texture frame with a cheap Brownell's slide that was optic ready. Long story short...I'm fastest with my cheapo build. The return to zero is better for me on my build. I did add the brass LOK grips to the Shadow 2 but I haven't ran it yet in a match. I added the Timney trigger (when they came out) in most of my Glocks. Still love CZ though.
So I ran a Stock 2 extreme for a good while. Loved it. Balance is killer. Return to zero is great. I ended up switching out for a Tanfo Limited Pro which is a shorter dust cover than the Stock 2 but longer slide. The balance is more similar to a 1911, and feels great to me. I made the switch so I could run the same gun in USPSA Production and in IDPA as well which the Lim Pro is a heater in! The Shadow 2 trigger has a more similar shape to the Tanfo Extreme trigger profile and I think that is what they were going for. Some love it some hate it. I swapped out all the guts in my Lim Pro and it’s is kinda crazy how good it feels but is a touch primer sensitive now. Have to run Winchester or Federal. Great video! Backs up my opinion so extra likes lol
I'm not surprise with your assessment as another youtuber basically echoed the same sentiments. I also own both guns and just like you, I've gravitated to the CZ first as a production gun and even with an optic I didn't shoot it as good as I wanted to. When you're trying to accomplish speed and accuracy in a competition, balance matters and that's where the Tanfo shines.
Hey, I’m really not sure about which of these two guns buying, I need to upgrade from a 22. To a 9x21 and from what I’ve seen these two are my favorites, please could u help me to decide? Which one is better overall? (Keep in mind that I would use it just for fun and not sport competition)
@@filippoferrari7176 Like I've mentioned, the Tanfoglio is just a bit more balanced; however, out of the box the CZ S2 has a better trigger system and I had to upgrade the Tanfoglio's trigger, having a bit heavy on on double action. But you really can't go wrong with either gun. I like the CZ due to more after market support and parts. That said, it all depends on the application of the gun or what it's purpose.
I thought for sure you were going to choose the CZ.. I can't speak to the cz because I don't own one. But I've had a stock 2 before they switched importers. I had to do some polishing, but it's smooth and accurate. Also soft shooting
I have a CZ Shadow 2 with optic ready 2021 and i like it i change the trigger with a strait trigger and the sprigs with a lighter spring , the ambi safety with a extended safety _ but i poses a 1994 Tangfoglio Witness Silver team 5,5 inch barrel Excellent gun
Excellent comparison. I own both including a Tanfo Limited Custom. Tough call as to which one is better. I like my single action trigger pull at 3.5 pounds. I had trigger work on Stock 2 to get it there. I have competed at low level, probably C in USPSA. Both guns are excellent. That said my best gun is Remington 1911 double stack. I balanced it with tungsten guide rod.
I've shot both and functionally I never found them to be so much better that it would make a real world difference. I like the hard chrome (the only finish acceptable) on the Tanfo. The S2 was much easier to get for a long time and as a long time CZ shooter, the S2 was a natural evolution. If I had to buy brand new, I'd pick the S2 simply because the Tanfo still feels cheap when you run it. It's a minor thing to quibble over but that's always been my biggest tick against the gun. Either way, with the availability of aftermarket parts now, you're going to get a great gun.
Can’t understand what you mean by the Tanfo feels “cheap.” Weight? Materials? Just a weird qualifier. Perhaps since you’re a long time CZ shooter, you are more accustomed to it than the Tanfo. But, cheap? Really?
@@scottmackey4182 If you manipulate the guns next to each other, you can hear the difference. The fit and finish of the CZ is noticeably better. Everything glides compared to the Tanfo that has more of a sloppy tolerance feel. As I mentioned, this is a minor point. I quite like the Tanfo guns. It's just something (I) notice and for my preferences, I dislike.
Hey, I’m really not sure about which of these two guns buying, I need to upgrade from a 22. To a 9x21 and from what I’ve seen these two are my favorites, please could u help me to decide? Which one is better overall? (Keep in mind that I would use it just for fun and not sport competition)
A little off topic because my Tanfo is a longslide witness hunter , SA, but oh my , after getting it to the range and in the field , everything else just seems a fad or waste of time , luv the gun , great video .
Another great review. On dropping the hammer. Call me a wimp but I always pinch with WH thumb and finger. I have ROed two shooters who cooked off a round lowering the hammer with their thumb. Beyond the DQ, the slide comes back and smashes your thumb and thumbnail. If I screw up using the pinch the slide pushes the thumb and finger out of the way. I ran an open Tanfo back in the day because, well, Grauffel the Great did. Lets just say I hope reliability, parts and dealer support have improved. Sounds like it has.
I own two CZ's and have competed for 8-9 years now. I would say the comments on the gun finishes definitely is something to consider. If I did it over again I think I would go the Tanfo route just for the hard chrome finish alone. Another thing I experience is that my CZs hate heavy bullets. When competing a lot of shooters prefer 147 gr bullets for more of a push feel. The accuracy/spread really opens up for me at that bullet weight. Whereas if I use 135s I get accuracy similar to what this video shows for the Tanfo - bullet holes almost touching at 20-25 yards. Similar with 124/125 gr. Not sure if this is just me, but both my CZ are identical in that regard. I've never used a Tanfo so I'd be interested to hear others if they experience this with either gun.
The newer IFG Tanfo small frame ejection looks to be much improved compared to the older EAA large frame Stock 2 which the brass bounces around the ejection port and sometimes gets caught when the slide moves forward.
You can get a thumb safety for the Shadow 2 and if using either of these guns for competition, you would get some trigger work done. Maybe swap out the recoil spring too. I added a competition hammer to my Shadow 2 as well. In IPSC you can use aftermarket triggers now as well, so flatter-shaped triggers are an option too.
In some unboxings the S2 Was delivered with the thumb Rest safety. I bought mine 4 months ago. No extra safety in the Box. But over All i am fine with it. Only the Single Action is not as crisp as i want to have it.
I love my shadow 2 it’s the best handgun I’ve ever shot. Fast and accurate. Also very reliable. And the cz comes with a spare large safety so that can be switched easily for free.
The optic ready S2 does not come with the spare ledge safety or extra fiber like the regular S2, at least in the US. You get an extra mag, and all 3 mags are nickel instead. Majority of all the OR S2's I've seen since they came out are this way.
I agree with your point about there being too much weight up front on the Shadow 2. I like the Shadow 2 but have a much better performance at speed with a Rival, G34.5, Stac P, or even a M9A4 when going fast vs the Shadow 2. They need a Shadow 3 that is Stac P length with lightening cuts
Gotta love an honest review. I've got an S2 OR. One of the first things I changed was to install an extended left-side safety so I could have a ledge for my thumb. Vastly improves the handling for me (along with Lok brass grips). I like, but don't necessarily love, the S2. The Tanfo would be interesting to try. Are large Tanfo frames equivalent to CZ TS2 frames in size/shape? I kinda love my TS 2 Green frame even tho when initially pick it up it doesn't feel as natural as my S2 or TSO. But when I'm shooting it, I appreciate being able to get more of my support hand in contact with the grip and I tend to shoot it more consistently. Thanks for the informative, bad for my bank account reviews!
Interesting thoughts. How do you compare the palm feel of the green vs the brass grips on the shadow? I really want to add some counter weight to the frame of my shadow but I'm not sure palm swell is right for my small hands
@Sarah K I've got brass lok palm swells on both the S2 and TSO. The TSO has the lighter weight version just cause I was curious about them. I love palm swells but man, it's so different for everybody. I have a naturally "round" grip. When I grasp flat sided grips there's a space/void where my hands cup around the sides. The palm swells fill it up. Hope that makes sense. They make non palm swell brass grips you could try. Or try the swells - Lok rocks when it comes to returns/exchanges. They really do want you to end up with something you'll like. I do appreciate the counter weight of the brass and they're far more grippy than I ever thought they'd be.
@@SEAKPhotog I really appreciate your reply, I didn't know LOK made a thin one or about their customer service! I just went ahead and got both so I can send one back!
@Sarah K Nice! Hope you like one of them. I took advantage of their sale and ordered a pair of lighter-weight brass grips for the S2. The more I use the lighter version on the TS2 the more I think they may be my sweet spot.
I've shot the Shadow and the Stock II, but as Xtreme version. Ended up with the Tanfoglio, was simply better for me, felt smoother, heavier barrel was more my thing, grip was better for me
I've shot a tanfoglio stock ii from a shop's rental, it was so smooth compared to the pos 1911 45s I usually shoot because back then I didn't have my own gun
For accountants and dentist that want to brag about their expensive gun. The truth behind that statement almost made me fall out of my chair laughing 😂
It made me laugh alot 😃 , well as a dentist I carry a Nighthawk Vice president Commander 2011, and i shot 1.5" group with it at 15 yards, this is what gives me the bragging rights 😁
It is a funny comment. FWIW I'm a lawyer and have a tanfoglio. If I am honest, a big reason I bought it is just because it's awesome. If I am going to buy something, I choose the awesome one over the less awesome one.
And just like that, Humble and Ben Stoeger skipped off into the sunset hand and hand sharing bro-love for the Tangfo. I agree on the drop-safe aspect. An RO died because of a dropped CZ. I’ve got way more time behind a CZ, but the little experience with the Tangfo I shoot the CZ better.
USPSA competitor with a Beretta 92X so no real dog in the “red v blue” fight. However, if I had to pick one, I’d probably go with the Shadow 2 simply because of its popularity, availability of aftermarket support and prior experience with CZ USA’s warranty folks (had an early P-10 C with “doubling” issues). I get that the Stock 2 is probably going to be objectively better in competition but probably not enough for me at my current skill level to really notice a difference.
I'm impressed! You touched nearly all points and differences. Like the trigger reach in DA with the Shadow 2 which is a problem for many. I will be ordering the stock 2 OR as a backup gun to take with me to the EHC next year. I'm still shooting production but not sure how long my eyesight will stay good. And I can switch over to PDO if I want. You can get both triggers top notch! Another thing that is mentioned by allot of CZ shooters who handle my gun, the bull barrel makes racking the slide easier. Also, they have a better grip on the slide. (I've got the old serrations yet on my match gun)
@@czwarlord9243 I said it makes racking the slide easier,not gripping. It's a cone bull barrel, once unlocked there is no friction compared to a regular barrel and bushing. The grip on the slide is more thanks to it's shape compared to the shadow 2. It makes handeling it just a tad easier.
Hey, I’m really not sure about which of these two guns buying, I need to upgrade from a 22. To a 9x21 and from what I’ve seen these two are my favorites, please could u help me to decide? Which one is better overall? (Keep in mind that I would use it just for fun and not sport competition)
Outside of what he already said the shadow 2 has a smaller frame than the Tangfo. So if you have small hands then you might consider the s2. I also do have a large frame Tangfolio in 10mm. I still shoot it well, but I prefer the shadow 2 frame personally.
Love the video and of course not everyone thinks the same. I love the CZ more for the reasons you don’t lol and as for the lack of a thumb safety all of mine comes with the extended safety so idk what that’s about. And the hand fitment of course is different. I have no issue locking my wrist and the gun sits super flat under recoil and returns to zero perfectly for me. And mine is stock as well. Wont be for long though lol
Nice review as always. It would be fun if some could sent you an Arma Zeka AZ-P1 sports optic 2 ( also an Chech brand and ZC 75 clone -about 45 min drive from the ZC factory) - it have some interesting solutions that not Tan or CZ have - never tried them but the look really nice
I went with the Tanfo because the grip is a little bigger (large frame) than the CZ. I have a limited pro and the defiant stock master, both set up for carry optics. I prefer the limited pro because the defiant stock master is very nose heavy. However the big negative for me on the tanfos for carry optics is that when you add an extended basepad to increase your mag capacity (both guns are the large frame) to 23 rnds you have to add some dimples between where the rib on the mag ends and the top of the base pad to facilitate reliable feeding of the rounds.
Tanfoglio for me. But honestly there is no wrong answer here. I have a Dan Weason DWX that I absolutely love as well! It’s another great contender to these two. And there is a new optics ready variant coming soon! It was announced at the NRA show!
The original shadow had red grips.... I had an early Tanfoglio, sold it last year because looking back, I shot it for 3 matches but dumped it. If I remember correctly I won it. I stopped using it because my cz was finished I think. I shot cz for a few years until I switched to IDPA and shot Springfield XDM's. I went back to a cz shadow because it feels more finished and the tanfog had rough edges that I didn't have time to go over just to get it into usable condition. I quit shooting after I was wounded in Afghanistan, I kept buying cz's and bought the tanfog, doing recreational stuff. I have taught a few students recently and they seem to gravitate towards the cz. I have had each shot by them to break them in. I asked who liked what. Female shooters seemed to be the only ones that liked the tanfog. So far only 3 students have liked it. I have taught 22 females, the men all liked the cz and the dwx I introduced halfway through the tests. Now the dwx is universally liked by everyone except a couple outliers.
Great review - thank you. Since both guns are designed for competitive shooting, I'll be interested to compare customized Tanfoglio Stock 2 OR with customized Shadow 2 OR. Almost all competitive shooters sooner or later customize their guns, and as a result most of the differences between stock models will be eliminated. I'm mostly interested in performance in double action mode after all modifications, because in single action they both perfect. I'm shooting in USPSA and Steel Challenge. In USPSA - no questions, double action Shadow 2 OR is a good choice for me. In Steel Challenge - first shot from 5 should be done in double action mode and I usually leaning toward AXG 320. Thank you in advance.
I absolutely love the CZ75 design. Between these 2 the CZ looks better, but in the end Tanfoglio makes 10mm versions.. and I grew up with Miami Vice... where ' growing up' is an optimistic term...
I'm biased as I'm a Tanfo guy primarily because they fit my hands like a glove. Just recently purchased a Stock2 Xtreme small frame (I'm in Canada) and initially wasn't impressed with the trigger which was a 9.5lbs DA pull with lots of stacking right before the hammer let go and 3.75lbs SA albeit smooth with lots of pretravel. Installed Patriot Defense springs, bolo interrupter, and polished the rest and ended up with an even smoother 5.5lbs DA pull with very little stacking and 2.5lbs SA with almost no pretravel and no issues lighting off factory ammo (I don't reload). The black cerekote finish is wearing off from holster use - I have an older Stock3 and love that bluing finish. Your better off buying the hard chrome version and doing a trigger job if your looking at the Stock2 imho.
I have 2 friends at my shooting club and they are all over Tangfolio. One guy needed a new barrel on his old 40 cal Tang and they sent him one for free.
There both such nice guns that for me to choose is not all that easy. In the end I'd be happy with either but if pushed to choose I'd go with the Tanfoglio. I've got huge hands so the TZ is better in that regard and I don't care for poly finishes available on the CZ. I prefer a hard finish like hard chrome or no finish on an all stainless gun. Those things being said if you like the CZ better I get it as it does fit smaller hands better, the trigger out of the box is better and many prefer the poly type finishes. Either gun for me needs a trigger job to create a more crisp SA and as smooth and light DA as possible.
I'm a CZ guy but yea the drop safe is prettyyyy prettyyyy cool. That and the beaver tail being longer I think I'd use a Tanfo over a CZ in competitions. No I have never competed but would like to some day.
You are spot on here, I started with the shadow 2 and after handling some buddies stock 2’s I switched over. Anyone looking to shoot either should look into trigger parts, Cajun gun works for the shadow 2 and patriot defense for the stock 2. Both can get extremely competitive triggers for under 300$!
I found the CZ shadow 2 difficult to run. I have very long slender fingers and have long reach triggers on all my 1911’s to achieve optimal trigger ergos. In single action the CZ trigger reach is ultra ultra ultra short… like I can get my second finger joint around the trigger. So with normal trigger work my finger is really bent up crooked etc. Man I would heinously throw lows and low lefts… then going back to my other ergonomically optimized long reach pistols would set me back on the learning curve. Ended up replacing the shadow with a P10F… which has fantastic my hand ergos and balance. The manufacturing quality of CZ pistols is bar none. Different pistols fit different hands that’s for darn sure.
Team Red vs Blue? Phew. Throw both away and get the brass grips for those recoil eating ounces and shiny gold look. Plus the wood file pattern from Lok grips that are sure to hurt your hands just right to feel like you are in control. Kinda.
The CZ Shadow 2 is one of my favorite pistols, but it’s the SA model which has none of the negatives of the double action model being compared here. I don’t shoot competitions(yet), but it’s great for boosting confidence and flexing on my buddies.
I used to shoot stock2s a lot. I'm not into glocks because work switched to gen5 Tupperware. I loved my stock2s, I agree with everything said in the video about them. I just wish that you could reliably get them to ignite cartridges at the same pull weights as a CZ, but it just doesn't work out that way. It wa soever a problem for me. Also, the tanfo is a CZ large frame clone so that's why it feels so much hbetter in hand.
Does the tanfoglio fit the CZ holsters..? I'm looking really hard for a light bearing holster for my Tanfoglio stock 1 in 10mm but can't find one anywhere
I can’t comment on the guns, I own neither, and have only ever shot an SP01 on the clock. What I WILL comment on are Lok grips. I have yet to come across a gun that isn’t completely transformed by those grips. After my first set I bought them for all the guns in my collection that would take them. Now I am just buying guns that they make grips for. It’s the first upgrade on every gun I purchase.
you need to get your hands on Xcalibur from GP , too bad CO Match version still isn't in US , but still ,probably one of the best production triggers out of the box . I'm gonna send mine to be milled , might run it next year in co
this becomes a religious debate. Each at the top end with full mods are just about equal in all respects. I do agree the barrel length, weight, bull barrel on a Stock 2 is a great formula. Chrome is awesome, that cone bull barrel is awesome. I wish a Shadow 2 had those two things and a S2 / Stock 2 hybrid may be my dream setup. I personally think CZ stock products and parts are light years ahead in quality, fit/finish, and quality control from gun to gun and year to year. Tanfos historically have required significant modding to get to a satisfactory level for most serious competitors. Some stock parts / fit and finish are nearly laughable and embarrassing such as burrs in the barrel/slide, arguably cheap metal and fit on hammers and safeties, barrel/chamber modding required, etc (IMO). Despite the fact I think the tanfo I bought was made by drunk people, it shot extremely well and probably the most accurate gun ive ever shot. Each had their own quirks namely around the trigger groups which makes a massive difference in disassembly and tuning (Tanfo is actually easier in this respect). On a CZ, I personally HATE the amount of roll pins and barrel bushing / front sight, it becomes a wear part that will entirely disable the gun if that pin comes out and sends your bushing flying down range (true story). The TRS and slide lock/mag catch springs are absolutely infuriating to work with. In general, comes down to preference and amount of investment made. If somebody had handed me a fully tricked out stock 2 to the nines in the beginning, perhaps Id be a Tanfo shooter. Had one after my CZ, didnt work well for me, CZ is just more at home and in general i get a better sense of quality and more confidence in working on them.
When I shot production I had a Stock 2 and a Shadow 2...sold them both. I found them to be too heavy. I kept my regular SP01 with a few Cajun parts installed. After all it's 9mm, there isn't all that much recoil.
I wouldn't worry much about ergonomics. The balance is far more important. Ergonomics are driven by the size and shape of your hands and the length of your fingers. You can't do much about the size of your hands, but you can do a lot about the shape of your gun grip and trigger. The CZ (owners of Colt) is US-Czech company, that uses superior steel .... and you can have any slide, or frame finish you like. If you are a serious shooter, a half decent gunsmith will modify the gun to suit. CZ US and CZ Czech Republic have parts not listed in the main catalogue. * As far as the review is concerned? I specifically liked that comment on CZ incorporating modifications invented by Tanfoglio. * CZ has drop-safety. That aside, I handle guns for more than 60 years and I have never dropped one. Just as I never dropped one of my watches, or my women.
Update: I went ahead and ordered a Stock II OR (for $1477) to compare to my comparable S2 OR and cajunized, dotted, SP01. Also ordered springs and things while they were on black Friday sale at Patriot Defense, Lok brass grips while they were on sale and an SRO, also on sale. Looking forward to tinkering with it and giving it a go in our indoor defensive league which starts in January ( sort of a home-grown USPSA/IDPA inspired, minimally competitive excuse to run around with guns & have indoor fun in the winter months league). With S2 ORs on black Friday sales for $1200, I'm not sure which gun is better value but I'm very, very curious how I'll like the Tanfo. I do think the bull barrel will make a big difference in handling. We'll soon see. There's gotta be a very good reason the newly announced CZ TS2 Orange has a bull barrel 😉
Does the tanfoglio fit the CZ holsters..? I'm looking really hard for a light bearing holster for my Tanfoglio stock 1 in 10mm but can't find one anywhere..
@Joey Phillips My Defiant Stock 2 OR with large frame fits in my S2 holster but don't know what, if any, other Tanfos fit in similar/ corresponding holsters.
@SW5555S Hi, hmmm, I'll say that the ergonomics (for me) of the large frame Tanfo are perfect - it feels amazing in my hands, comfortable and very secure. It's the most ergonomically friendly gun I own (compared to my CZs, Walthers and 2011s). The SP01 has great ergonomics as do all my CZs (the S2 or TS2 being my faves altho they're a but different) but the SP01 isn't as OMG comfortable and positive/secure as the Tanfo for my medium to large sized hands. The fit and finish of the chromed Tanfo is very nice and the chrome is just damned attractive. The F&F of the Tanfo is definitely better than the more utilitarian SP01. As for the triggers, they both need work out of the box. My Sp01 has an amazing trigger but only after a CGW pro package and lots of polishing and shooting. It actually has one of the nicest trigger on any of my non 2011s. But yeah, it takes work and money to get there. The Tanfo's known Achilles trigger heel is the creepy/rough trigger bar guide. Out of the box, the Tanfo trigger was surprisingly bad. I replaced the original trigger bar guide with an Extreme version and also replaced the sear with an extreme sear while I had it all dismantled. I also gave it a light, not very anal polishing. Now the trigger is very nice - comparable to my CZs altho the reset is a bit long for me (which is something I bet I could improve with some more parts and tinkering). As far as accuracy is concerned, I slow fire the Tanfo better better when it comes to rapid fire the amazing (non-stock) trigger on my SP01 gives it the edge - the long reset on the Tanfo throws me off, I feel like I'm slapping the trigger too much. Oh, the Tandfo gets point for being optic ready if you're a dot guy (I am). Anyway, long story short, I guess the SP01 vs Tanfo Stock 2 question comes down to what ypu want to do with them, what your budget is, is an optics ready slide important, how much money/time polishing/time replacing parts do you want to throw at them. Compared to an S2 OR, I think the Tanfo is a over priced (I think S2 ORs are the best value SA/DA guns put there). It's tough to compare the Tanfo to an SP01, especially stock. If you wanna just try a CZ type gun, maybe start with an SP01 (or S2)? There are certainly tons of resources out there to improve/customize them. I'd really recommend an S2 OR over both the Sp01 and Tanfo.
I own three CZs: Shadow SP01, Shadow 2 and TS02 green single action only. The TS02 is the best gun I have tried so far, so much so that I don't even bother taking it to the range because it's no fun and I am training only with the hardest gun I own (glock 17). I quite dislike the creep that there is in the trigger of both Shadows and I am talking about the issues I experience in single action. At some point I will try the Tanfoglio stock 2... if I find a place where I can try it before buying it.
It seems CZ fixed the grip issue with the CZC A01 LD, but not on the Shadow?? It does look like the CZC A01 LD is scratch built by CZ Customs, so I do not know where the frame comes from?? After shooting my P226 Rx Legion for years, it took a while shooting a few Shadows for me to see that it does not fill my hand as well at the beavertail, though it shoots very well. So, I'm looking to find a Tanfoglio Stock 2 to shoot, as a CZC A01 LD looks to be a bit rich for my budget. Cheers, Tony
This video I was looking forward to, as well as pleasantly surprised. I had a defiant stock master that I loved (just at the range, no comp.), but cut it loose as it was in .45 acp. I had been looking hard at CZ to replace it with , then the s2 OR dropped state side (after IFG started doing the exporting?), adding to my confusion. Great , informative video. Also, since you can't call it a "pasta blaster" without thinking about a Berreta , I took to calling the stock master the "Gabegool"
Both models are widely available where I am where IPSC production is still a thing. The Tanfoglio is even imported by the biggest gun dealer in my country, yet even their sponsored shooters have switched to the CZ. The trigger on the CZ is not only better stock, but much better even when both are tuned. What Tanfoglio needs to do is get rid of that firing pin block safety, because shooters can't disable them (illegal in IPSC production) without being moved to open. With it, the Tanfoglio will always be like a series 80 Colt and will never match up with a series 70 trigger. Plus, the CZ trigger can be made infinitely better using OEM CZ parts such as the competition hammer (found of the Shadow Orange) and a pre-B disconnector. That matters at equipment check, because the hammer is an obvious external mod that is usually disallowed by a keen-eyed IPSC checker. The next thing they should do is design the Tanfoglio to take a longer hammer spring. Because, while you can get a lighter trigger on the Tanfoglio by changing hammer springs, the shorter spring doesn't last. After maybe 300 rounds that light Tanfoglio hammer spring is toast and light strikes happen often. Everything else is good on both guns. The Tanfoglio has a better barrel slide interface with the bull barrel; the CZ uses a bushing that wears down easily. The safety lever to bear down on is a non-issue IMHO, as it is easy enough to swap out the SA safety for a wider one, in fact many CZ Shadow 2s came with an extra safety free of charge. There's a lot of choices as far as safety levers go, even OEM, because single action TS safeties work on the Shadow 2. The muzzle dip issue on the Shadow 2 is also easily correctible simply by using lighter recoil springs.
I have a s2 with the slide lightened for CO in idpa and the reduced weight of the slide and reduced recoil spring where the best things i have done. 11lb recoil spring with a 13 to 15 lb hammer spring to help with slowing the slide down while keeping primer ignition consistent
One regret is letting my Stock 2 get away. But I found it harder to get parts and work done on it. At the time Cajun wasn’t working on them but that was 4-5 years ago
I have and shoot both a CZ Shadow 2 SA and a Tanfoglio Stock Master I had converted to SA. I do not shoot in any competitions, just an Old Man with a gun. I find that even when I take both to the range, I inevitably shoot the Tanfoglio more often. I must note that the SA conversion was to a straight trigger and it breaks at 2 lbs. But since I now have 3 Tanfoglio's. The Stock Master 9mm, Hunter 10mm (now known as the Gold Match) and the Blue Limited Custom in 10mm, I must prefer Tanfoglio over CZ.
Hey, I’m really not sure about which of these two guns buying, I need to upgrade from a 22. To a 9x21 and from what I’ve seen these two are my favorites, please could u help me to decide? Which one is better overall? (Keep in mind that I would use it just for fun and not sport competition)
@@filippoferrari7176 To keep and shoot, I would go Tanfoglio, the CZ will hold it's resale value better though. They are 9x19 the german Luger not the Italiam 9x21.
A couple of questions?? The CZ Shadow 2’s come with a extra safety that you can swap out. It acts like a thumb platform sort of like a 1911. That can help with wrist lock. Did you try those? My Shadow is a SA. I do not compete in USPSA. It seems to have a better shape for manually decocking than the DA/SA. The SA Shadows also have a trigger blade that is straighter hence more of like an “Open Class” trigger. Have you shot the SA Shadow 2?
@@inspiredartphotos nope as I took it as second hand information that it was stopped for a while and just accepted I wasn't going to get one unless I bought it. The SA version is basically the same - I don't understand why people freak out about an SAO version of a DASA gun - it's pretty much the same thing.
Is the Tanfoglio legal for IDPA optics division? Im looking to get into the IDPA but I'm not sure what gun I should get? I'm open to suggestions. Right now I'm looking at a Walther PPQ Q5 SF, 9mm. Thanks!!
I've owned both, compared both for over a year with friends, but I still own the Tanfoglio and sold the CZ.
Nuff said
One thing that's really helped me with locking my wrists is to actually focus on the bottom of my wrists/forearms for tension. That's the muscle that opposes your wrist curling upwards during muzzle flip. That's why I think a lot of people find that pinky pressure matters because when you squeeze your pinkies you sympathetically squeeze the bottom of your forearms which lessens muzzle flip. Thinking of tightening the top of your wrist to prevent muzzle flip would be like tightening your bicep while you're high-fiving someone, it would make way more sense to tighten your tricep. Try holding a gun and twisting the muzzle up, you'll eventually feel a burn on your lower forearm from resisting the rotation.
I am a tanfoglio fan. I like the security of having a drop safety even on a competition gun. Thanks for the review!
The CZ Shadow 2 actually does have a drop safety position that you can lock the hammer into. This feature also goes for their new Shadow 2 compact model. Not to mention the safety should always be activated when loaded and not un use! Hammer down, and fully on safety also of course makes it drop safe. Cheers!
@@wasdwasd24 thanks for your reply. I should have been clearer. What I meant is that Tanfoglios have a firing pin safety (sometimes called a drop safety) which is not present on the shadow 2 or the new shadow compact. That said, if one is comfortable carrying a shadow 2 or a series 70 1911, which also does not have a firing pin safety, that would be a personal choice. I like CZs also but for CZ, I prefer the CZ75B, which has a firing pin safety. Thanks again.
You have opened my eyes. I am 67 years old and been to five world shoots with a comped 45 1911 trick out. Realizing that I am Fred Flintstone in the matches today. Retired and thinking of shooting again. Wow an eye opener. Its not the 80s anymore.
Hot damn, ahead of the curve for once. Bought my first Tan Stock II 10mm (still have it too!) in 2011, and yes, the magazines were a problem only discovered after I bought pretty much every part on Henning's site troubleshooting niggles. I really wanted that Stock III, but they didn't import it to the US until just recently, so I stripped the hard chrome and cerakoted my Tan in HK black and kept the walnut grips; after all the parts and some fitting, still my favorite gun of many to shoot, but it's a tank in a holster.
Enter the Force Duty 10mm with a polymer frame, optical-ready slide and rails. After a range trip today shooting the Tan and my P-09 back to back, I've discovered that I HATE the Omega trigger comparatively.
Shadow 2 is like $900 new now on sale. I got a polymer Tanfoglio for $200. It can hang with the Shadow 2 in an experienced shooters hands, but it's closer to the SP-01. Still a great deal in today's market.
First of all great video ...i Been shooting for 15 years IPSC mostly .I have shot both guns and at the end of the day i do prefer Tanfoglio for many reasons..CZ trigger is the best out there but i rather the stack of the tanfo that allow me to prep before break the shot in dbl action where with the CZ i have to pull till break the shot with one long pull..Also the CZ is way heavier in front and for long swing from target to target its hard to stop the gun...With some after market parts and some polish which i recommend Tanfo is a way superior gun overall..shorter than CZ but the bull barrel make the difference ...For a Newby shooter i would go with CZ headache free..for an experienced shooter Tanfoglio is the the top for many reasons . My opinion...
The other nice thing about the Large Frame Tanfoglios are you can change to almost any caliber with a new upper including 10mm, 45, or even 38 Super.
You are the baddest big dad on RUclips! Tanfo video hasn't even reached 2.5k, but you still released comparison video. Thanks! I have CZ shadow 2, but in my country there isn't even Tanfo to buy, so, no remorse there.
it was close - ish.
Great descriptive and technical video, emphasizing the actual shooting aspect of both pistols. I fully enjoy your expertise from your tactical and accurate shooting competitive experience, over videos from so called experts which don't have any shooting experience at all!
Keep the emphasis on the shoot ability of the guns with regards to Ergonomics, Balance, Trigger feel, Accuracy etc.
Greatly appreciate the information.
Thanks for this great comparative review. The double action trigger on the stock 2 gets way better if you replace the interruptor with a Patriot Defense Bolo Interruptor. It makes the reset shorter too.
Big facts. And now that they have semi drop in and drop in versions it’s way easier than it used to be.
Being drop safe is important, especially when lots of changes are made. At least 2 cases on record of 2 dead because of that. One was from Canada and the other was an RO behind a different guy that dropped it. Not messing with the hammer and firing pin length reduces the risk quite a bit. Still better with the block.
The only one at a match death in Canada that I’ve heard about was a situation where a guy dropped his gun and then caught it before it hit the ground and made contact with the trigger in doing so. That resulted in pulling the trigger which set it off. A firing pin safety/stop would not have prevented anything in that instance. You might be referring to a different situation though.
@@nickwalden9809 There was an RO fatally shot at a Nov 2020 NY USPSA match. Reportedly was a Shadow 2 (good chance it was modified) where the shooter missed the holster with his hammer back. Pistol landed on the back end and discharged.
Actually did a hammer test on my two shadow 2s. One fitted with an aftermarket firing pin and lighter firing pin spring, the other with stock firing pin spring and lighter firing pin spring. Placed them laying flat on a table with the hammer down, and then struck the hammer.
The amount of force needed to ingnite the primer was scary low on the one with the extended firing pin. The one with the stock firing pin I could not get to ignite the primer, regardless how hard I hit the hammer.
@@FHompa A co-worker and I once did that with an aftermarket Glock trigger that another guy bought. Slamming it on a wooden workbench with a cleaning mat on it was enough to ignite the primer. I'd argue that a fall to a concrete floor would do so even more easily.
I've owned a Tanfoglio Whitness 75 from the late 80's before CZ could be imported. Paid $290 for it on auction in 2007. I've shot over 5,000 rnds of all types, some that wouldn't fire reliably in my other 9mms. It eats everything I've feed it without ONE, not ONE malfunction of any kind.
Many thanks for this. I’m a new shooter looking for their first pistol and based on everything I’ve seen to date it was going to be a Shadow 2 all the way. However I went to the European outdoor show, and alongside all the other big makers there was a Tanfoglio stand and I had the opportunity to try the Stock 2 against the Shadow 2 back to back. The Tanfoglio felt really good, and so I came on here to find out what I was missing. Turns out nothing…. I might have to change my plans.
The trigger hinge placement on the Stock 2 is why I have both the Stock 2 and the Stock 2 Xtreme.
Both the hard chrome finish and the cerakote finishes are awesome. My guns have years of drawing from the holster in USPSA (Production M) and you can’t tell these guns have ever seen a holster.
I had to do a lot of work internally to get them nice and smooth, and maintain their super reliability.
My Stock 2 had over 8k rounds with no cleaning and ZERO malfunctions at all. I had to clean it because as soon as it got hot, it would leak oil and soot all over my hands, lol.
All things being equal, I also own several Beretta’s, and the triggers hinge/ apex of the grip are also very similar to the Stock 2, and I love the Berreta as much or more.
Awesome Comment lol about cleaning them! That's a testimony of good performance haha. I'm with you on gun choices!
Great video! I’m a Tanfoglio fan. My neighbor has a CZ. CZ was the original design, but like the owner of Tanfoglio said… we took the CZ design and modified it for competition, law enforcement “Tanfoglio force” and for civilian self defense. Tanfoglio was also the first out of the 2 to use polymer frame. CZ then copy all the modifications and made them there own. Tanfoglio is my competition gun all around better gun!
Excellent comparison and reflection on how our tastes and knowledge evolves over the years. Lol, about 2014 I was running a Glock 34.
So was i - I didn't get a CZ until 2015. I thought I was living high on the hog with my fancy Czech pistol.
Hopefully Tanfo's reliability has gone up to where it actually can be...relied on. I owned two Stock 2s in 2016-2018 that I spent 150% of base price on just to make them run. Sent them to people from Bodkin to Patriot Defense. Nada. Spoke to Stoeger who was, more or less, a brand ambassador then who conveyed that 2016 guns were "****ed". I guess Tanfos are like Italian wine, there could be a good vintage year or there could be a bad vintage year.
I own 2 stock 2’s 10 mm
A 10 mm witness and a 9mm witness and I have never had a problem with any of them right out of the box.
I own & love them both. Triggers / Kits do wonders for Both Guns.
No gun this expensive should require more money once you buy them....
@@grayson84111 You should never jump off into 2011’s, if you think these are expensive.
@@BigJohnsonGG Don't worry, I say the same thing about people buying a $4k Gibson Les Paul to just put new pickups in it. Afterall, these guns are more capable than 90% of the buys skill level anyway.
@@grayson84111 I always say it’s 🇺🇸 and people can do whatever they want to.
I’m always tinkering with things super expensive or not.
I shot IPSC production optics with the Shadow 2. I agree with you 100% about the Shadow 2 stock trigger shape. The reach is too far on the initial double action trigger pull. I haven't shot the tanfoglio, but at the end of the day they are both excellent handguns.
Aren't there aftermarket triggers that shorten the reach for the Shadow 2 trigger for DA?
Yes, there are. @@gair1944
Man! That CZ looking crisp and flat in that intro. I shot the CZ and is a very soft shot. No wonder so popular in competition
I too bought a Shadow 2 for Production. When CO took off, I had a slide milled from CGW for the SRO and the CGW trigger upgrade on my Shadow 2 (maybe 3-4 years ago?). While that was going on, I got an optics ready CZ P10F and I built a Glockish G17 clone with Brownell's Polymer 80 super rough texture frame with a cheap Brownell's slide that was optic ready. Long story short...I'm fastest with my cheapo build. The return to zero is better for me on my build. I did add the brass LOK grips to the Shadow 2 but I haven't ran it yet in a match. I added the Timney trigger (when they came out) in most of my Glocks. Still love CZ though.
the idea of shortening the dust cover on the CZ is very intriguing ...
So I ran a Stock 2 extreme for a good while. Loved it. Balance is killer. Return to zero is great. I ended up switching out for a Tanfo Limited Pro which is a shorter dust cover than the Stock 2 but longer slide. The balance is more similar to a 1911, and feels great to me. I made the switch so I could run the same gun in USPSA Production and in IDPA as well which the Lim Pro is a heater in! The Shadow 2 trigger has a more similar shape to the Tanfo Extreme trigger profile and I think that is what they were going for. Some love it some hate it. I swapped out all the guts in my Lim Pro and it’s is kinda crazy how good it feels but is a touch primer sensitive now. Have to run Winchester or Federal. Great video! Backs up my opinion so extra likes lol
I'm not surprise with your assessment as another youtuber basically echoed the same sentiments. I also own both guns and just like you, I've gravitated to the CZ first as a production gun and even with an optic I didn't shoot it as good as I wanted to. When you're trying to accomplish speed and accuracy in a competition, balance matters and that's where the Tanfo shines.
Hey, I’m really not sure about which of these two guns buying, I need to upgrade from a 22. To a 9x21 and from what I’ve seen these two are my favorites, please could u help me to decide? Which one is better overall? (Keep in mind that I would use it just for fun and not sport competition)
@@filippoferrari7176 Like I've mentioned, the Tanfoglio is just a bit more balanced; however, out of the box the CZ S2 has a better trigger system and I had to upgrade the Tanfoglio's trigger, having a bit heavy on on double action. But you really can't go wrong with either gun. I like the CZ due to more after market support and parts. That said, it all depends on the application of the gun or what it's purpose.
I thought for sure you were going to choose the CZ.. I can't speak to the cz because I don't own one. But I've had a stock 2 before they switched importers. I had to do some polishing, but it's smooth and accurate. Also soft shooting
I have a CZ Shadow 2 with optic ready 2021 and i like it i change the trigger with a strait trigger and the sprigs with a lighter spring , the ambi safety with a extended safety _ but i poses a 1994 Tangfoglio Witness Silver team 5,5 inch barrel Excellent gun
Excellent comparison. I own both including a Tanfo Limited Custom. Tough call as to which one is better. I like my single action trigger pull at 3.5 pounds. I had trigger work on Stock 2 to get it there. I have competed at low level, probably C in USPSA. Both guns are excellent. That said my best gun is Remington 1911 double stack. I balanced it with tungsten guide rod.
Thank you for the comparison, I'm currently looking at what to get, and Tanfoglio and Shadow 2 is two I've been considering.
I've shot both and functionally I never found them to be so much better that it would make a real world difference. I like the hard chrome (the only finish acceptable) on the Tanfo. The S2 was much easier to get for a long time and as a long time CZ shooter, the S2 was a natural evolution. If I had to buy brand new, I'd pick the S2 simply because the Tanfo still feels cheap when you run it. It's a minor thing to quibble over but that's always been my biggest tick against the gun. Either way, with the availability of aftermarket parts now, you're going to get a great gun.
Can’t understand what you mean by the Tanfo feels “cheap.” Weight? Materials? Just a weird qualifier. Perhaps since you’re a long time CZ shooter, you are more accustomed to it than the Tanfo. But, cheap? Really?
@@scottmackey4182 If you manipulate the guns next to each other, you can hear the difference. The fit and finish of the CZ is noticeably better. Everything glides compared to the Tanfo that has more of a sloppy tolerance feel. As I mentioned, this is a minor point. I quite like the Tanfo guns. It's just something (I) notice and for my preferences, I dislike.
Shadow 2 is ńose heavy and didnt come with a bull barrel
Hey, I’m really not sure about which of these two guns buying, I need to upgrade from a 22. To a 9x21 and from what I’ve seen these two are my favorites, please could u help me to decide? Which one is better overall? (Keep in mind that I would use it just for fun and not sport competition)
A little off topic because my Tanfo is a longslide witness hunter , SA, but oh my , after getting it to the range and in the field , everything else just seems a fad or waste of time , luv the gun , great video .
Another great review. On dropping the hammer. Call me a wimp but I always pinch with WH thumb and finger. I have ROed two shooters who cooked off a round lowering the hammer with their thumb. Beyond the DQ, the slide comes back and smashes your thumb and thumbnail. If I screw up using the pinch the slide pushes the thumb and finger out of the way. I ran an open Tanfo back in the day because, well, Grauffel the Great did. Lets just say I hope reliability, parts and dealer support have improved. Sounds like it has.
I own two CZ's and have competed for 8-9 years now. I would say the comments on the gun finishes definitely is something to consider. If I did it over again I think I would go the Tanfo route just for the hard chrome finish alone. Another thing I experience is that my CZs hate heavy bullets. When competing a lot of shooters prefer 147 gr bullets for more of a push feel. The accuracy/spread really opens up for me at that bullet weight. Whereas if I use 135s I get accuracy similar to what this video shows for the Tanfo - bullet holes almost touching at 20-25 yards. Similar with 124/125 gr. Not sure if this is just me, but both my CZ are identical in that regard. I've never used a Tanfo so I'd be interested to hear others if they experience this with either gun.
I shoot 115 grain in my S2 and it will shoot the same hole at 25 yards.
I reckon that CZ is more geared towards the 124 grain bullet. It's running more harmonious with the barrel twist rate.
Tanks for a very comprehensive report. Great insightful analysis. I learnt alot!!
Only recently found your channel. Excellent reviews and educational to boot. Much appreciated!!!
The newer IFG Tanfo small frame ejection looks to be much improved compared to the older EAA large frame Stock 2 which the brass bounces around the ejection port and sometimes gets caught when the slide moves forward.
You can get a thumb safety for the Shadow 2 and if using either of these guns for competition, you would get some trigger work done. Maybe swap out the recoil spring too. I added a competition hammer to my Shadow 2 as well. In IPSC you can use aftermarket triggers now as well, so flatter-shaped triggers are an option too.
Yeah but you aren’t making the shadow 2 frame as good as the Tanfo
@@TheHumbleMarksman True.
In some unboxings the S2 Was delivered with the thumb Rest safety. I bought mine 4 months ago. No extra safety in the Box. But over All i am fine with it. Only the Single Action is not as crisp as i want to have it.
I love my shadow 2 it’s the best handgun I’ve ever shot. Fast and accurate. Also very reliable. And the cz comes with a spare large safety so that can be switched easily for free.
Mine didn’t
Mine came with a extended safety aswell it helps alot, love my shadow 2
The optic ready S2 does not come with the spare ledge safety or extra fiber like the regular S2, at least in the US. You get an extra mag, and all 3 mags are nickel instead. Majority of all the OR S2's I've seen since they came out are this way.
@@paradisearcade8386 yup, mine has no extended safety like you stated.
I agree with your point about there being too much weight up front on the Shadow 2.
I like the Shadow 2 but have a much better performance at speed with a Rival, G34.5, Stac P, or even a M9A4 when going fast vs the Shadow 2. They need a Shadow 3 that is Stac P length with lightening cuts
Gotta love an honest review. I've got an S2 OR. One of the first things I changed was to install an extended left-side safety so I could have a ledge for my thumb. Vastly improves the handling for me (along with Lok brass grips). I like, but don't necessarily love, the S2. The Tanfo would be interesting to try. Are large Tanfo frames equivalent to CZ TS2 frames in size/shape? I kinda love my TS 2 Green frame even tho when initially pick it up it doesn't feel as natural as my S2 or TSO. But when I'm shooting it, I appreciate being able to get more of my support hand in contact with the grip and I tend to shoot it more consistently. Thanks for the informative, bad for my bank account reviews!
Interesting thoughts. How do you compare the palm feel of the green vs the brass grips on the shadow? I really want to add some counter weight to the frame of my shadow but I'm not sure palm swell is right for my small hands
@Sarah K I've got brass lok palm swells on both the S2 and TSO. The TSO has the lighter weight version just cause I was curious about them. I love palm swells but man, it's so different for everybody. I have a naturally "round" grip. When I grasp flat sided grips there's a space/void where my hands cup around the sides. The palm swells fill it up. Hope that makes sense. They make non palm swell brass grips you could try. Or try the swells - Lok rocks when it comes to returns/exchanges. They really do want you to end up with something you'll like. I do appreciate the counter weight of the brass and they're far more grippy than I ever thought they'd be.
@@SEAKPhotog I really appreciate your reply, I didn't know LOK made a thin one or about their customer service! I just went ahead and got both so I can send one back!
@Sarah K Nice! Hope you like one of them. I took advantage of their sale and ordered a pair of lighter-weight brass grips for the S2. The more I use the lighter version on the TS2 the more I think they may be my sweet spot.
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I've shot the Shadow and the Stock II, but as Xtreme version. Ended up with the Tanfoglio, was simply better for me, felt smoother, heavier barrel was more my thing, grip was better for me
I miss the old style Tanfoglio slide serrations. The raised rear serrations on the new Tanfos are kinda gross :/
I've shot a tanfoglio stock ii from a shop's rental, it was so smooth compared to the pos 1911 45s I usually shoot because back then I didn't have my own gun
For accountants and dentist that want to brag about their expensive gun. The truth behind that statement almost made me fall out of my chair laughing 😂
😂 I’m no accountant or dentist. And don’t laugh at me but the shadow 2 is my edc. Maybe in 3 years I’ll have enough money to buy a staccato cs.
It made me laugh alot 😃 , well as a dentist I carry a Nighthawk Vice president Commander 2011, and i shot 1.5" group with it at 15 yards, this is what gives me the bragging rights 😁
I literally just looked up pricing on both guns. The Tanfoglio was usually more expensive than the Shadow II.
It is a funny comment. FWIW I'm a lawyer and have a tanfoglio. If I am honest, a big reason I bought it is just because it's awesome. If I am going to buy something, I choose the awesome one over the less awesome one.
Cz75 clones are for hipsters with actual taste!
And just like that, Humble and Ben Stoeger skipped off into the sunset hand and hand sharing bro-love for the Tangfo.
I agree on the drop-safe aspect. An RO died because of a dropped CZ.
I’ve got way more time behind a CZ, but the little experience with the Tangfo I shoot the CZ better.
We are basically BFFs
@@TheHumbleMarksman 😂 ole Ben.
@@graynotescartridgebox Ben switched to CZ´s because of that... ;)
@@bimmer666 😂
I like both guns and could run either one just fine, myself.
@@graynotescartridgebox all CZ's and clones are easy to shoot.
USPSA competitor with a Beretta 92X so no real dog in the “red v blue” fight. However, if I had to pick one, I’d probably go with the Shadow 2 simply because of its popularity, availability of aftermarket support and prior experience with CZ USA’s warranty folks (had an early P-10 C with “doubling” issues). I get that the Stock 2 is probably going to be objectively better in competition but probably not enough for me at my current skill level to really notice a difference.
I'm impressed! You touched nearly all points and differences. Like the trigger reach in DA with the Shadow 2 which is a problem for many. I will be ordering the stock 2 OR as a backup gun to take with me to the EHC next year. I'm still shooting production but not sure how long my eyesight will stay good. And I can switch over to PDO if I want. You can get both triggers top notch!
Another thing that is mentioned by allot of CZ shooters who handle my gun, the bull barrel makes racking the slide easier. Also, they have a better grip on the slide. (I've got the old serrations yet on my match gun)
Forgive my ignorance but how does the bull barrel allow it easier to grip the slide?
@@czwarlord9243 I said it makes racking the slide easier,not gripping. It's a cone bull barrel, once unlocked there is no friction compared to a regular barrel and bushing.
The grip on the slide is more thanks to it's shape compared to the shadow 2. It makes handeling it just a tad easier.
Hey, I’m really not sure about which of these two guns buying, I need to upgrade from a 22. To a 9x21 and from what I’ve seen these two are my favorites, please could u help me to decide? Which one is better overall? (Keep in mind that I would use it just for fun and not sport competition)
@@filippoferrari7176 they are 9x19 (Luger) bud.
Outside of what he already said the shadow 2 has a smaller frame than the Tangfo. So if you have small hands then you might consider the s2. I also do have a large frame Tangfolio in 10mm. I still shoot it well, but I prefer the shadow 2 frame personally.
Love the video and of course not everyone thinks the same. I love the CZ more for the reasons you don’t lol and as for the lack of a thumb safety all of mine comes with the extended safety so idk what that’s about. And the hand fitment of course is different. I have no issue locking my wrist and the gun sits super flat under recoil and returns to zero perfectly for me. And mine is stock as well. Wont be for long though lol
Another thought. I agree the Shadow 2 is nose heavy. I like my old school SP01 Shadow more. Just personal preference.
Nice review as always. It would be fun if some could sent you an Arma Zeka AZ-P1 sports optic 2 ( also an Chech brand and ZC 75 clone -about 45 min drive from the ZC factory) - it have some interesting solutions that not Tan or CZ have - never tried them but the look really nice
I went with the Tanfo because the grip is a little bigger (large frame) than the CZ. I have a limited pro and the defiant stock master, both set up for carry optics. I prefer the limited pro because the defiant stock master is very nose heavy. However the big negative for me on the tanfos for carry optics is that when you add an extended basepad to increase your mag capacity (both guns are the large frame) to 23 rnds you have to add some dimples between where the rib on the mag ends and the top of the base pad to facilitate reliable feeding of the rounds.
Tanfoglio for me. But honestly there is no wrong answer here. I have a Dan Weason DWX that I absolutely love as well! It’s another great contender to these two. And there is a new optics ready variant coming soon! It was announced at the NRA show!
The original shadow had red grips....
I had an early Tanfoglio, sold it last year because looking back, I shot it for 3 matches but dumped it. If I remember correctly I won it. I stopped using it because my cz was finished I think. I shot cz for a few years until I switched to IDPA and shot Springfield XDM's. I went back to a cz shadow because it feels more finished and the tanfog had rough edges that I didn't have time to go over just to get it into usable condition. I quit shooting after I was wounded in Afghanistan, I kept buying cz's and bought the tanfog, doing recreational stuff. I have taught a few students recently and they seem to gravitate towards the cz. I have had each shot by them to break them in. I asked who liked what. Female shooters seemed to be the only ones that liked the tanfog. So far only 3 students have liked it. I have taught 22 females, the men all liked the cz and the dwx I introduced halfway through the tests. Now the dwx is universally liked by everyone except a couple outliers.
I have the stock ii and I absolutely love it!
Great review - thank you. Since both guns are designed for competitive shooting, I'll be interested to compare customized Tanfoglio Stock 2 OR with customized Shadow 2 OR. Almost all competitive shooters sooner or later customize their guns, and as a result most of the differences between stock models will be eliminated. I'm mostly interested in performance in double action mode after all modifications, because in single action they both perfect. I'm shooting in USPSA and Steel Challenge. In USPSA - no questions, double action Shadow 2 OR is a good choice for me. In Steel Challenge - first shot from 5 should be done in double action mode and I usually leaning toward AXG 320. Thank you in advance.
At that point you are comparing the frames and barrels - which we compared here.
"Sooner or later"?? LOL I am shocked when I see a competitive shooter fire their first round before they modify their new gun!
I absolutely love the CZ75 design. Between these 2 the CZ looks better, but in the end Tanfoglio makes 10mm versions.. and I grew up with Miami Vice... where ' growing up' is an optimistic term...
Interesting video. My results with a CZ Shadow 2 are far better than what you achieved in the video with your "bulk ammo." Tanfo may be best for you.
I'm biased as I'm a Tanfo guy primarily because they fit my hands like a glove. Just recently purchased a Stock2 Xtreme small frame (I'm in Canada) and initially wasn't impressed with the trigger which was a 9.5lbs DA pull with lots of stacking right before the hammer let go and 3.75lbs SA albeit smooth with lots of pretravel. Installed Patriot Defense springs, bolo interrupter, and polished the rest and ended up with an even smoother 5.5lbs DA pull with very little stacking and 2.5lbs SA with almost no pretravel and no issues lighting off factory ammo (I don't reload). The black cerekote finish is wearing off from holster use - I have an older Stock3 and love that bluing finish. Your better off buying the hard chrome version and doing a trigger job if your looking at the Stock2 imho.
I actually carry my tanfoglio defiant stock master. It is a heavy gun, but man is it a beautiful gun. Well worth the $1300. Very flat shooter as well.
I have 2 friends at my shooting club and they are all over Tangfolio. One guy needed a new barrel on his old 40 cal Tang and they sent him one for free.
There both such nice guns that for me to choose is not all that easy. In the end I'd be happy with either but if pushed to choose I'd go with the Tanfoglio. I've got huge hands so the TZ is better in that regard and I don't care for poly finishes available on the CZ. I prefer a hard finish like hard chrome or no finish on an all stainless gun. Those things being said if you like the CZ better I get it as it does fit smaller hands better, the trigger out of the box is better and many prefer the poly type finishes. Either gun for me needs a trigger job to create a more crisp SA and as smooth and light DA as possible.
I'm a CZ guy but yea the drop safe is prettyyyy prettyyyy cool. That and the beaver tail being longer I think I'd use a Tanfo over a CZ in competitions. No I have never competed but would like to some day.
You are spot on here, I started with the shadow 2 and after handling some buddies stock 2’s I switched over. Anyone looking to shoot either should look into trigger parts, Cajun gun works for the shadow 2 and patriot defense for the stock 2. Both can get extremely competitive triggers for under 300$!
Did you ever try the Eemann Tech Ultimate Trigger for CZ along with their Eemann Tech Upgrade Kit For CZ SHADOW 2 makes a huge change in the gun.
From what I heard from these pistols from competitive shooter users is that Tanfoglio is more resistent in long term.
I got to shoot the Tanfo defiant stock master and its an excellant pistol. I've have shot the Shadow 2 and it is very nice also.
I found the CZ shadow 2 difficult to run. I have very long slender fingers and have long reach triggers on all my 1911’s to achieve optimal trigger ergos. In single action the CZ trigger reach is ultra ultra ultra short… like I can get my second finger joint around the trigger. So with normal trigger work my finger is really bent up crooked etc. Man I would heinously throw lows and low lefts… then going back to my other ergonomically optimized long reach pistols would set me back on the learning curve. Ended up replacing the shadow with a P10F… which has fantastic my hand ergos and balance. The manufacturing quality of CZ pistols is bar none.
Different pistols fit different hands that’s for darn sure.
Team Red vs Blue?
Phew. Throw both away and get the brass grips for those recoil eating ounces and shiny gold look. Plus the wood file pattern from Lok grips that are sure to hurt your hands just right to feel like you are in control. Kinda.
The CZ Shadow 2 is one of my favorite pistols, but it’s the SA model which has none of the negatives of the double action model being compared here. I don’t shoot competitions(yet), but it’s great for boosting confidence and flexing on my buddies.
I have a TSO, one buddy bought the same gun. The other doesnt go shooting with me because he doesnt want to buy one. 😂
I used to shoot stock2s a lot. I'm not into glocks because work switched to gen5 Tupperware.
I loved my stock2s, I agree with everything said in the video about them. I just wish that you could reliably get them to ignite cartridges at the same pull weights as a CZ, but it just doesn't work out that way. It wa soever a problem for me.
Also, the tanfo is a CZ large frame clone so that's why it feels so much hbetter in hand.
Does the tanfoglio fit the CZ holsters..? I'm looking really hard for a light bearing holster for my Tanfoglio stock 1 in 10mm but can't find one anywhere
I can’t comment on the guns, I own neither, and have only ever shot an SP01 on the clock.
What I WILL comment on are Lok grips. I have yet to come across a gun that isn’t completely transformed by those grips. After my first set I bought them for all the guns in my collection that would take them. Now I am just buying guns that they make grips for. It’s the first upgrade on every gun I purchase.
Love my stock ii and my my poly match. Finding parts has always been a struggle especially mags
you need to get your hands on Xcalibur from GP , too bad CO Match version still isn't in US , but still ,probably one of the best production triggers out of the box . I'm gonna send mine to be milled , might run it next year in co
Supposedly it’s awaiting ATF approval
@@TheHumbleMarksman yeah, been there since before Covid
shot these 2 cupcakes and the tanfo has a better grip and more fun to shoot! anyhow they are both precise. hope u review the new tanfo stock 3 pro!
this becomes a religious debate. Each at the top end with full mods are just about equal in all respects. I do agree the barrel length, weight, bull barrel on a Stock 2 is a great formula. Chrome is awesome, that cone bull barrel is awesome. I wish a Shadow 2 had those two things and a S2 / Stock 2 hybrid may be my dream setup. I personally think CZ stock products and parts are light years ahead in quality, fit/finish, and quality control from gun to gun and year to year. Tanfos historically have required significant modding to get to a satisfactory level for most serious competitors. Some stock parts / fit and finish are nearly laughable and embarrassing such as burrs in the barrel/slide, arguably cheap metal and fit on hammers and safeties, barrel/chamber modding required, etc (IMO). Despite the fact I think the tanfo I bought was made by drunk people, it shot extremely well and probably the most accurate gun ive ever shot. Each had their own quirks namely around the trigger groups which makes a massive difference in disassembly and tuning (Tanfo is actually easier in this respect). On a CZ, I personally HATE the amount of roll pins and barrel bushing / front sight, it becomes a wear part that will entirely disable the gun if that pin comes out and sends your bushing flying down range (true story). The TRS and slide lock/mag catch springs are absolutely infuriating to work with. In general, comes down to preference and amount of investment made. If somebody had handed me a fully tricked out stock 2 to the nines in the beginning, perhaps Id be a Tanfo shooter. Had one after my CZ, didnt work well for me, CZ is just more at home and in general i get a better sense of quality and more confidence in working on them.
Hard choice but I'm partial to that Tanfoglio
When I shot production I had a Stock 2 and a Shadow 2...sold them both. I found them to be too heavy. I kept my regular SP01 with a few Cajun parts installed. After all it's 9mm, there isn't all that much recoil.
I wouldn't worry much about ergonomics. The balance is far more important. Ergonomics are driven by the size and shape of your hands and the length of your fingers. You can't do much about the size of your hands, but you can do a lot about the shape of your gun grip and trigger. The CZ (owners of Colt) is US-Czech company, that uses superior steel .... and you can have any slide, or frame finish you like. If you are a serious shooter, a half decent gunsmith will modify the gun to suit. CZ US and CZ Czech Republic have parts not listed in the main catalogue.
* As far as the review is concerned? I specifically liked that comment on CZ incorporating modifications invented by Tanfoglio.
* CZ has drop-safety. That aside, I handle guns for more than 60 years and I have never dropped one. Just as I never dropped one of my watches, or my women.
I like the CZ better because it’s easier to pronounce.
Update: I went ahead and ordered a Stock II OR (for $1477) to compare to my comparable S2 OR and cajunized, dotted, SP01. Also ordered springs and things while they were on black Friday sale at Patriot Defense, Lok brass grips while they were on sale and an SRO, also on sale. Looking forward to tinkering with it and giving it a go in our indoor defensive league which starts in January ( sort of a home-grown USPSA/IDPA inspired, minimally competitive excuse to run around with guns & have indoor fun in the winter months league). With S2 ORs on black Friday sales for $1200, I'm not sure which gun is better value but I'm very, very curious how I'll like the Tanfo. I do think the bull barrel will make a big difference in handling. We'll soon see. There's gotta be a very good reason the newly announced CZ TS2 Orange has a bull barrel 😉
Does the tanfoglio fit the CZ holsters..? I'm looking really hard for a light bearing holster for my Tanfoglio stock 1 in 10mm but can't find one anywhere..
@Joey Phillips My Defiant Stock 2 OR with large frame fits in my S2 holster but don't know what, if any, other Tanfos fit in similar/ corresponding holsters.
CZ is a slimmer frame than Tanfo.
hey, so after that time, what do you think about Stock 2 vs SP01?
@SW5555S Hi, hmmm, I'll say that the ergonomics (for me) of the large frame Tanfo are perfect - it feels amazing in my hands, comfortable and very secure. It's the most ergonomically friendly gun I own (compared to my CZs, Walthers and 2011s). The SP01 has great ergonomics as do all my CZs (the S2 or TS2 being my faves altho they're a but different) but the SP01 isn't as OMG comfortable and positive/secure as the Tanfo for my medium to large sized hands. The fit and finish of the chromed Tanfo is very nice and the chrome is just damned attractive. The F&F of the Tanfo is definitely better than the more utilitarian SP01. As for the triggers, they both need work out of the box. My Sp01 has an amazing trigger but only after a CGW pro package and lots of polishing and shooting. It actually has one of the nicest trigger on any of my non 2011s. But yeah, it takes work and money to get there. The Tanfo's known Achilles trigger heel is the creepy/rough trigger bar guide. Out of the box, the Tanfo trigger was surprisingly bad. I replaced the original trigger bar guide with an Extreme version and also replaced the sear with an extreme sear while I had it all dismantled. I also gave it a light, not very anal polishing. Now the trigger is very nice - comparable to my CZs altho the reset is a bit long for me (which is something I bet I could improve with some more parts and tinkering). As far as accuracy is concerned, I slow fire the Tanfo better better when it comes to rapid fire the amazing (non-stock) trigger on my SP01 gives it the edge - the long reset on the Tanfo throws me off, I feel like I'm slapping the trigger too much. Oh, the Tandfo gets point for being optic ready if you're a dot guy (I am).
Anyway, long story short, I guess the SP01 vs Tanfo Stock 2 question comes down to what ypu want to do with them, what your budget is, is an optics ready slide important, how much money/time polishing/time replacing parts do you want to throw at them. Compared to an S2 OR, I think the Tanfo is a over priced (I think S2 ORs are the best value SA/DA guns put there). It's tough to compare the Tanfo to an SP01, especially stock. If you wanna just try a CZ type gun, maybe start with an SP01 (or S2)? There are certainly tons of resources out there to improve/customize them. I'd really recommend an S2 OR over both the Sp01 and Tanfo.
The shadow 2 is Nitrided, not polycoat on the black ones. The Urban Grey ones were polycoated over the nitride, iirc.
My black one is nitrided AND poly coated
I own three CZs: Shadow SP01, Shadow 2 and TS02 green single action only. The TS02 is the best gun I have tried so far, so much so that I don't even bother taking it to the range because it's no fun and I am training only with the hardest gun I own (glock 17). I quite dislike the creep that there is in the trigger of both Shadows and I am talking about the issues I experience in single action. At some point I will try the Tanfoglio stock 2... if I find a place where I can try it before buying it.
Tanfo vs Canik Rival? Big boy vs a middleweight??
I sold my cz for the tanfoglio stock 2 😅 best pistol ever
I’m still leaning towards the LTT RDO
It seems CZ fixed the grip issue with the CZC A01 LD, but not on the Shadow??
It does look like the CZC A01 LD is scratch built by CZ Customs, so I do not know where the frame comes from??
After shooting my P226 Rx Legion for years, it took a while shooting a few Shadows for me to see that it does not fill my hand as well at the beavertail, though it shoots very well.
So, I'm looking to find a Tanfoglio Stock 2 to shoot, as a CZC A01 LD looks to be a bit rich for my budget.
Cheers, Tony
This video I was looking forward to, as well as pleasantly surprised. I had a defiant stock master that I loved (just at the range, no comp.), but cut it loose as it was in .45 acp. I had been looking hard at CZ to replace it with , then the s2 OR dropped state side (after IFG started doing the exporting?), adding to my confusion. Great , informative video. Also, since you can't call it a "pasta blaster" without thinking about a Berreta , I took to calling the stock master the "Gabegool"
Both models are widely available where I am where IPSC production is still a thing. The Tanfoglio is even imported by the biggest gun dealer in my country, yet even their sponsored shooters have switched to the CZ.
The trigger on the CZ is not only better stock, but much better even when both are tuned. What Tanfoglio needs to do is get rid of that firing pin block safety, because shooters can't disable them (illegal in IPSC production) without being moved to open. With it, the Tanfoglio will always be like a series 80 Colt and will never match up with a series 70 trigger.
Plus, the CZ trigger can be made infinitely better using OEM CZ parts such as the competition hammer (found of the Shadow Orange) and a pre-B disconnector. That matters at equipment check, because the hammer is an obvious external mod that is usually disallowed by a keen-eyed IPSC checker.
The next thing they should do is design the Tanfoglio to take a longer hammer spring. Because, while you can get a lighter trigger on the Tanfoglio by changing hammer springs, the shorter spring doesn't last. After maybe 300 rounds that light Tanfoglio hammer spring is toast and light strikes happen often.
Everything else is good on both guns. The Tanfoglio has a better barrel slide interface with the bull barrel; the CZ uses a bushing that wears down easily.
The safety lever to bear down on is a non-issue IMHO, as it is easy enough to swap out the SA safety for a wider one, in fact many CZ Shadow 2s came with an extra safety free of charge. There's a lot of choices as far as safety levers go, even OEM, because single action TS safeties work on the Shadow 2.
The muzzle dip issue on the Shadow 2 is also easily correctible simply by using lighter recoil springs.
patriot defense triggers? any experience w? flatter would be better.. all CZs i have, have CGW Pro trigger... how is the comparison to PD?
Sorry, no experience with PD triggers. Nit available where I live.
I have a s2 with the slide lightened for CO in idpa and the reduced weight of the slide and reduced recoil spring where the best things i have done. 11lb recoil spring with a 13 to 15 lb hammer spring to help with slowing the slide down while keeping primer ignition consistent
One regret is letting my Stock 2 get away. But I found it harder to get parts and work done on it. At the time Cajun wasn’t working on them but that was 4-5 years ago
I have and shoot both a CZ Shadow 2 SA and a Tanfoglio Stock Master I had converted to SA. I do not shoot in any competitions, just an Old Man with a gun. I find that even when I take both to the range, I inevitably shoot the Tanfoglio more often. I must note that the SA conversion was to a straight trigger and it breaks at 2 lbs. But since I now have 3 Tanfoglio's. The Stock Master 9mm, Hunter 10mm (now known as the Gold Match) and the Blue Limited Custom in 10mm, I must prefer Tanfoglio over CZ.
Hey, I’m really not sure about which of these two guns buying, I need to upgrade from a 22. To a 9x21 and from what I’ve seen these two are my favorites, please could u help me to decide? Which one is better overall? (Keep in mind that I would use it just for fun and not sport competition)
@@filippoferrari7176 although the tanfoglio is Italian, they are both 9x19 9mm Luger.
@@filippoferrari7176 To keep and shoot, I would go Tanfoglio, the CZ will hold it's resale value better though. They are 9x19 the german Luger not the Italiam 9x21.
very accurate observations
Looking to narrow my model search for the tanfoglio as i type. Thanks
Try to get a full Xtreme trigger unit for your stockII.... a huge improvement.
(and a decent pair of grips, Lok Grips are excellent!)
Tanfoglio vs Q4SF next, please! :)
I’m gonna pick up a short reach kit for the shadow 2 in hopes it helps with the double action. I’m having same issue pulling the first shots
A couple of questions?? The CZ Shadow 2’s come with a extra safety that you can swap out. It acts like a thumb platform sort of like a 1911. That can help with wrist lock. Did you try those? My Shadow is a SA. I do not compete in USPSA. It seems to have a better shape for manually decocking than the DA/SA. The SA Shadows also have a trigger blade that is straighter hence more of like an “Open Class” trigger. Have you shot the SA Shadow 2?
I have bought 3 shadow 2s and only one of them came with the extra safety
@@TheHumbleMarksman Did you reach out to CZ for the two missing safeties? Did you ever try the the SA version?
@@inspiredartphotos nope as I took it as second hand information that it was stopped for a while and just accepted I wasn't going to get one unless I bought it. The SA version is basically the same - I don't understand why people freak out about an SAO version of a DASA gun - it's pretty much the same thing.
Is the Tanfoglio legal for IDPA optics division? Im looking to get into the IDPA but I'm not sure what gun I should get? I'm open to suggestions. Right now I'm looking at a Walther PPQ Q5 SF, 9mm. Thanks!!
I love my Tangfos and my CZs
At these levels, the only difference can be made by the skill of the shooter