@@rileybear836 She was never judgemental? She was really nice about it, actually. She was just saying to learn from people who actually KNOW the language
@@raymondthecartoonenjoyer4803 eh she seems too condescending. Like “omg this girl was so bad; just learn from real deaf people🙄🙄” ; without so much as “I really appreciate she was trying hard to learn another language” If someone tried to learn English but they only learned from TV, I wouldn’t judge them for getting some things wrong or condescending to them for not learning from a native speaker. I’d appreciate that they were trying. I’ve seen the video several times and it just always comes off as rude and condescending to me.
@@rileybear836 "Don't learn from people who don't know ASL" cmon isn't at least that statement a little fair? For example, if there was someone who had a first language that wasn't English, it's not *wrong* for someone else to learn English from them. But what if they aren't completely fluent and/or still learning and end up teaching them the wrong things? That's sort of what happened here, and she was just telling a story. She didn't really appear as rude as you are trying to say (at least in my opinion, and she did say she was excited to find out the girl knew some sign so I just thought the appreciation was implied). I do still kind of see where you're coming from, though.
@@youraveragecityshulker eh I dunno. If someone is attempting to learn something, I’m appreciative of that. To me, she basically did the equivalent of rolling her eyes at the attempt the person was making.
It could also be a case of them learning a different sign language. I'm from the Philippines and we have FSL (Filipino Sign Language). Even though it's closer to ASL than like JSL or BSL, there's still significant differences to a lot of the words. And there's this internal struggle of "Should I learn my local sign or the 'international standard'?" Because of how much fewer accessible resources for FSL than ASL.
Difficult to know. I am learning french sign language... and it is different too. Logic, all languages are differents but difficult to know what is the best choice.
I'm trying to learn ASL as it's way easier to find material and stuff for it than my country's sign language. I've been researching how or where to learn sign language here and it seems to be non-existent, so yeah. Just will try to learn ASL, then it'd be easier to learn another one I guess
That's how I feel with Greek sign language! Asl is much more accessible with knowledge and I prefer to learn this language for now. But, I'd love to take classes for gsl someday!
To be fair, in my asl class I was taught that because sign language was frowned upon for a big chunk of recent history, a lot of Deaf people would end up in little isolated communities, and so there ended up being a lot of variation in signs. But all of the asl teachers I knew in high school were either partially deaf or codas so there’s definitely something to be said about learning from people who have been singing for awhile
There’s also the fact that, until recently, you couldn’t really learn sign without meeting with a teacher in person. Pictures don’t convey the movements properly.
@@skurge8691yeah, 1st why does it look like she isn't in sinc with the audio? 2nd if you are deaf you can't speak normally because you can't hear what you are saying. 3rd mabey she wasn't deaf until she learned how to speak but she should probably have some problems
I learned from a hearing teacher. Both of her parents are deaf and it was her first language, she learned to speak English later in life. She had an incredible outlook on deaf culture and it was by far my favorite class I have EVER taken.
My ASL teacher was also a CODA, he was a super chill guy. I am definitely not fluent in ASL and I have just awful memory in general, but that was a good class. Only took it for half a year
@@cindymartinmalong2356The girl doing the video is deaf in her left ear I believe and started developing it when she was a kid and it got worse, so now she's fully deaf in that ear. Learning it from a young age is very good for any language to get a good grasp
actually CODA's are really great ASL teachers. They can communicate well both as a hearing person and in ASL, so I think this can be beneficial for a lot of hearing people looking to learn. Of course a deaf person is great too. This worker could've also been speaking a different SL, sometimes it be like that. Edit: I would like to add as some others have mentioned that CODAs are native ASL speakers as well. And usually, you’ll find bilingual people are the best at teaching languages. I’ve taken several languages and not once has the teacher not been bilingual. Sometimes they’re native English speakers so they’ve learned the other language and can therefore teach it very well becuase native speakers don’t have to learn roots or conjugations or anything, or they’re native speakers and have learned English so they have experience learning a different language and can relate the similarities and differences to English. I am a polyglot and after learning my other four languages I only now can confidently say I would be able to teach English (native) to others because I understand how it works now. It’s very similar to CODAs. They’re really impressive and great at ASL just like deaf teachers.
Studies in other languages dont support this. You have much better outcomes when languages are taught by native speakers. Someone who relies on the language the most would truly know how to properly use that language. Way more than even the best interpreters i bet. And i bet most interpreters would agree.
@@NanatheBrave I didnt mean to offend anyone. I guess i am saying that someone who fully relies on the language as their main form of communication is a more reliable teacher
@@alysemarie8313 This is also not necessarily true. If I had to learn English, I wouldn't trust most english speakers(this is a problem with ESL teachers in other countries because the lack of teaching credentials). Just because you use a language or are dependent on it, doesn't mean you use it properly or in the most effective way. I've known deaf people(who could speak and chose to) who would talk about how some other deaf people would sign poorly(I don't entirely know what they meant by that).
@@alysemarie8313 You’re basically saying that bilingual people make worse language teachers. That’s not true. You’re also claiming that you need to speak the language every day to be fluent. Would you forget your native language if you moved to a new country and learned another?
i learned those signs from my deaf asl teacher. i assume they're either older signs or regional ones - all the professors in my college's asl department are from different areas of the country and they often argue over signs or my prof disagrees with some signs in the curriculum the university buys. mixups like this can happen even when we try to do everything right as students
yes! and this is the case with all languages. there are dialects, accents, nonverbal cues, and other nuances that can affect how two speakers of the same language understand one another. there’s not really ONE correct way to speak any language, including ASL! I think that’s part of what makes language so interesting :)
Makes sense since we have different words for things throughout the U.S. too that we could argue about being correct or not when I’m actuality they both are.
My best friend’s parents were both deaf, they taught me sign language because I was there all the time and my friend didn’t want to translate for me anymore, now I’ve got a lifelong skill
i believe she was deaf in one ear and then she gradually lost her hearing in in the other ear, i think she also take speech therapy classes but correct me if im wrong
Most of us don't know any deaf people unfortunately. I learned a few words online myself and the one and only time I ran into a deaf family (they were sitting next to us in a restaurant). When we were leaving the family waved me back because they realised that I had forgotten my bag. I did what I thought was the sign for "thank you", but by the confused look on their face I know it was very wrong and I just ran away very embarrassed.
The Vietnamese man who was doing my pedicure told me he always got upset because people would always tell him to learn how to speak proper English. I could bearly understand him myself. He said he got perfect grades in his English class and he worked really hard on learning English before he moved here. But he found out that the woman who taught him, English wasn't her first language and she taught him broken English with a strong accent. He literally learned wrong. Not his fault.
I recently learned that so many people that speak English as a second language speak broken English because of how things directly translate. Same thing happens in asl, it doesn't exactly translate directly and facial expressions are way more important than I ever knew. I always knew things didn't translate directly but I didn't quite realize how much sentence structure changes until I really started diving in. Now that I know, I get it and it gives me a whole new appreciation for people that take on learning English as their second language.
@@smogfry2005 people learn a language from the people they have access to, sometimes all you have access to is a non native speaker, meaning your version of the language will become a botched version of a botched version of the original
@@ordinrh1166 I get that, but sentence structure changes from language to language and dialects change from region to region. For example in Spanish you'd say mi hija tiene neuve anos which directly translated to English would be my daughter has nine years where as a native English speaker would say my daughter is nine years old.
I hate those kind of people the most. You’re in an establishment that speaks a different language so why don’t YOU learn to speak their language before you enter their safe zones 🙄
Oh sheesh. I learned from a Deaf woman in Rochester and it was amazing. Total immersion. No speaking, no writing. She was brilliant at building our understanding of ASL up without any English
@@NoDefaultsPlease She was able to build our vocabularly remarkably quickly with context and repetition. Our brains made the connections. Immersion really does work when you have a teacher who understands how to build up from very basic. I got nearly fluent in the year I was in her class.
@@NoDefaultsPlease that’s how everyone learns a language! your first language you never got it taught for you you understood as a baby and made the connections, aren’t we smart?
Something I learned in my ASL class (taught by an audiologist) was that there are many different regional signs for words in ASL. Just like how somebody from Louisiana has an accent different from somebody in New Orleans, the same applies to regions where people speak ASL. "Beer" comes to mind since it has so many different variations in ASL. There may be one "official" sign, but that's kind of like how a word will have an "official" pronunciation. You aren't obligated to follow everything to a T. This video comes across as kind of ignorant. I think it's wonderful for everyone to learn, use, and teach ASL regardless of our ability to hear. Definitely try to have a more open mind in the future!
I'm coda and somethings you have said was book sign. Understand you are completing your life with what happened. There's more different ways. Sign language is just like accents or I compare to spanish therew different Spanish depending where you live.. don't worry just keep a open mind and learn. My fully born deaf mother taught me im hearing be open minded and don't be closed minded you will never learn anything with a closed mind
in the barista's defense tho, i think sshe tried her best. not everyone would know a person who's actually deaf and learn ASL from them. she could take classes but i think she never really thought she would be having this experience by chance. i felt that she tried to speak to her in ASL just to help. she had a good heart.
Exactly, like at least she was trying how many other people don't give a shit and really, what's the percentage of deaf people in the US? I'd imagine less than 5 percent, so what's the chance she would actually even be able to find a deaf person to teach her
I don't even see how she was mean here.She literally said she was excited and this is something alot of deaf ppl gave spoken about.There are certain situations where a good intentioned person with incorrect signing knowledge can negatively impact or endanger deaf people.Also disabled ppl shouldnt have to put the feelings of ppl who dont use sign language out of necessity or non deaf ppl over ensuring that one of their only forms of communication is being used properly and in a way they can understand fluently.
@@blessingfp4470 while do understand where you are coming from, the reason what she has described is being seen negatively is the fact that the person providing service did actually try to assist and didn’t just pass her off to someone else, next to that due to her clear ability to communicate vocally when she didn’t understand the sign language she could have just said it as she did in the video. Had the subject been one that was of danger I’m sure the customer service person would have likely sought more appropriate help.
My asl teacher in highschool was deaf. I was one of the few students who treated her with so much respect and admiration. She eventually moved to California and got a really good teaching position at some school (dont remember, been a few years). Mrs. Cooler was amazing, and tried to make learning so much. I rly do miss her.
Did you have hearing and then lose it, or is your speech coach just that good? You have the most incredibly accurate intonation and inflection I've ever heard from any deaf person.
Vanilla or chocolate aren't usually the first words someone trys and learns in asl which means that girl went out of her way to learn those sign on the chance a deaf person walked in to that shop so she could communicate with them.
Honestly. My old ASL teacher moved to go teach middle school English, and a teacher from OSD (Ohio school for the Deaf) took her place. She corrected at least 30-50 signs that our old teacher taught us entirely wrong.
I learned a little from my sister. She's not deaf but went to school to become a sign language interpretor. Sign language was a passion of hers when we moved across the country and a deaf person became her best friend. This unfortunately got cut short when she had an accident and lost part of her hearing (a significant hearing loss in one ear only), a month before the exams. That's one of the biggest barriers you could have in that career, so she was never able to have her dream job. The irony of it is cruel. (She's okay now and has a new passion, her kids)
I took an ASL course my first year out of high school and the professor was deaf... Do you have any idea why your sister wasn't able to pursue something like that instead? Did she not want to teach? Genuine questions by the way. I'm just curious, not trying to be rude 😅
Those signs were taught to me as vanilla and chocolate from the older ASL instead of English signed. So I knew what you meant immediately. We had a deaf speaking teacher too.
Yeah, I immediately recognized that as an old way of saying vanilla and chocolate, since my ASL teacher when I was little was much older. The ASL teacher that I had in 2 years ago explained that all of the signs changed as the times went on, like how the sign for phone and computer have changed.
Does she tells the story of a deaf girl in a shop or is she deaf and speaking that way? I have never heard a deaf person speaking with tones and so much expression in the voice, that's perturbing for me
Why are people even saying you were rude? Girl literally said "I was so happy/excited that she knew a bit of asl!" Like darlings, my dears, y'all are PROJECTING
I use sign bank to learn Auslan. (Australian sign) the majority of people I've met who use sign are actually both hearing and technically speaking, but due to physical disabilities are unable to for words so either use pod books or sign. I also use sign for myself as I have neurological conditions that cause my brain and mouth to not always be connected and signing helps me not stumble if I sign and talk at the same time.
Your speaking is amazing. Out of all the deaf people I've seen on social media you speak the most clearly and it's amazing because usually when someone can't hear themselves they aren't sure if they're saying something correctly
@@heartv212 hell nah, internet cookies are used to sell your data despite the innocent intentions that they could be used to keep you logged in even if you leave and and come back to a same website. Why would you wish such a horrible fate to that guy?
Words In general have different meanings today. It’s like they change the dictionary on the daily. You should see me trying to talk to my teenager. She’s either laughing or highly embarrassed by me.
My ASL teacher is hearing but she’s been to Gallaudet University and I think she’s pretty education in formal sign language. She tells us about the culture, etiquete, and she has us use sources online from actual deaf people to check our signing. I love communicating with people. Okay fine maybe it shouldn’t be a requirement for jobs but I *suggest* that it should be taught in high school. Especially if the career or job you want requires talking to a wide variety of people. And yes while Deaf/HOH people could write their communications down it doesn’t give them same fulfilling effect as face to face conversation. Because then the Deaf/HOH people are communicating through a piece of paper, not an actual person
my ASL teacher is also hearing and also went to Gallaudet University and she teaches us formal and non formal so that when we actually are fluent in ASL we dont look dumb using only the formal signs! also she is the sweetest lady ever i love her sm!
@@cottoncandiez8872 This. Making it a job requirement now could bar a lot of lower income adults from entire industries, but adding it to the curriculum could make it so that going forward, a lot more people can reliably communicate in ASL; not to mention, the younger you are, the easier it is to learn languages, so they might be able to retain that information.
@@_stupidbro We use ASL throughout the district I work in, have D/HH classrooms and a Deaf high school that's integrated into a mainstream high school so there's a good number of millennials and Gen Z who know enough ASL to help someone in an emergency. It's really helpful that the community college actually got ASL recognized as a foreign language and is a transferrable, thus further encouraging students who want most gen ed classes completed.
Also, those finger nails a mile long makes it really hard to figure out. Like its distracting to me who can read a little of it ... she is not doing herself a favor right there. Sorry.
My uncle has been deaf his entire life, and he's been through so many sign changes that he can figure stuff out just from context. The shaking C & V would be more than enough.
@@popcanter188 I don’t think you understand how hard it is to sound normal while deaf. When you can’t hear your own voice you don’t know how to sound or how to correct your speech. It’s honestly quite insane how fluidly and normal she can speak.
It’s because she wasn’t deaf for most of her life. The reason deaf people sound different is because they’ve never heard the sounds. So them trying to recreate it often sounds much different than how everyone else says it
@kaza12345678 I'm a musician. We playback the mic through headphones in real-time in order to hear ourselves - if you have the incorrect settings it causes a slight delay and you get the same thing. It's worse with actual delay or reverb. "I (I)... uh (uh)" Your brain is focused on something other than the noises that you are actively making - so it's probably not dissimilar than trying to form words when you can't hear them.
For those of y'all who don't understand, I'll explain further.. it's not just abt her not signing vanilla, correctly! It wasn't just a minor error bc that sign looks very similar to another sign -- w a VERY DIFFERENT CONNOTATION.. where the meaning of the sign, it resembles, is very inappropriate language in ASL! The reason you should learn from a Deaf person also has to do with understanding context.. bc tru ASL is NOT English! There are so many phrases in ASL, that I could, list word for word, in English, and Non-Signers would probably still not understand.. even though it was directly translated for them bc the wording still doesn't give full context. Also, people fail to understand that just how like spoken language evolves, so do the languages in sign.. it's not about her signing mistake; it's more abt how she learned sign and who she chose as a her source -- which is an honest mistake tht should not be ridiculed or demonized bc thts not okay, regardless.. but there are still some signs, in particular, that wouldn't be as socially acceptable to use or may evn have a different meaning, now.. That's why if you're going to teach a language, you have to not only know/understand the language, as an expert, but you have to know how to explain the context, accurately.. that way, new learners don't mistakenly offend someone or unknowingly express something tht looks/sounds concerning to ppl in tht particular culture! Certain words can have certain connotations, all by themselves, and signs are no different
Your voice and linguistics are SO CLEAR. In my experience when speaking with someone non-hearing, their linguistics tend to be much less clear. Well done dude 👏
Yeah when I was a cashier at Walmart there was a deaf man that came in every so often, he’d try to ask me for specific cigs by talking but it honestly was very garbled. He’d get angry and walk off because no one understood. I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone speak this clearly.
It could also imply a few things. 1. She’s not actually deaf. 2. She’s only partially deaf. (Most probable) 3. She went deaf much later in life. 4. She went deaf at a young age but had practice to make sure her speech was fine. (Not realistic fyi) My bet is either option 1 and 2
@QueerAssTiefling your right, I was browsing RUclips shorts and it came up. So blame the RUclips gods for that. Also your right again, only deaf people I have ever interacted was my aunt basically my whole life and whoever she would be with at the time I’d see her. Also speculation not assumption, I took information and various assumptions from other comments to come up with a list of reasons that might prove logic given the scope of information I had on hand. Though at the end I did throw my own two cents on what I think would be the most likely options based on what people are known to do for their 5 seconds of fame and the given info I had on hand.
I would have just ended up spelling it out, that barista is impressive for even knowing the words! I have a little bit of ASL knowledge, but definitely not enough to get me through a conversation. But I can be very polite in ASL, I know all my manners.
My mom was a volunteer sign language interpreter for the courthouse in Florence, Alabama from time to time. She grew up with a cousin that was deaf and aside from his immediate family members my mom was the only one who was fluent in ASL. Growing up she always signed I love you (🤟🏼) to my brothers and I and I still do it to this day to people I love. She taught me some but I’m not fluent in ASL. I wish I were. My mom passed away 6 years ago after a long struggle with addiction. She was so troubled but she taught me so much and had a heart of gold. I miss her everyday ❤ *EDIT*- Wow 😮 I’ve never gotten so many likes. It makes me happy that a good memory may have resonated with some of y’all 😊 Thank you guys for all the likes and kind comments 🤗
My condolences on the loss of your Mom. Addiction is a horrible place to be. I hope you and yours know the signs, and protect yourselves from it in the future. Stay safe and healthy out there and know you are loved.
Sorry to hear about your mom. Glad you have good memories of her, and that your view of her hasn't been skewed by her addiction. May she rest and be at peace from her disease. ❤
@@waltbauer1003 thank you and I agree. I went through a long phase of not wanting to talk to or see her because of her addiction but as I got older and after she passed I was left with a crazy amount of guilt for not seeing her as the person she was behind her addiction. I’ve definitely lived my life knowing that addiction runs in my family and I don’t want to end up the same way that so many others in my family have. But I’ve come to learn a lot about addiction and I’ve changed my perspective about the people who suffer with it. After a while it isn’t a choice anymore and it causes physical and psychological pain to the people who suffer with it. I wish I thought the same way while my mom was still here. Seeing her go through everything she did and looking back with hindsight gives me a great deal of empathy for people struggling with mental health issues. People who are poor and struggle with their mental health tend to self medicate and that’s where the addiction begins.
so I'm learning from a gentleman who is Deaf online through his YT videos, and I sometimes use it with my partner, who learned it a long time ago. We mostly use it because we get really messed up by loudness and signing helps us understand each other if we're in a loud situation. We keep finding that either he learned from a hearing person, or ASL has evolved over time. It's frustrating at times, but we're teaching each other as we go.
@@nouraa.9958lol. It would be a lot easier if it was that way, but ASL has a different grammar structure than English. It’s similar to the structure of French.
@@abigailginter4785 You don't understand my comment. I said that "ASL" isn't the word for sign language(s), ASL isn't signed in Germany, in Germany it's a completely different language.
Sure, but this isn't like learning a dialect, this is like learning German from a Swedish person that took lessons for a few years on it in secondary school 😅
basing off of how well she speaks, her ears may only be able to pick up vibrations from her own voice or anything loud enough to rattle her head - all deaf people "hear" differently, just like some blind people can tell if they're in a dark or bright room, even if they "can't see." It's a spectrum, like everything else :)
@@csonweedagain5054 that’s great but you can’t hear your own voice. You make up how your voice sounds in your head, that’s why you’re shocked when you hear how you sound in a video. So in a sense, she’ll never here how her voice really sounds.
@@Matteo_nr1_evermore_stan ? Your voice sounds different to you over the phone because your own voice physically vibrates your head, which vibrates the bones in the ear. When creating the telephone, it was discovered that you don't need as many low frequencies playing at a time to understand a voice, so to save on bandwidth and time they left those frequencies out - not to mention it would be playing out of a phone speaker, which is also missing many frequencies and most certainly not vibrating the head. All this is to say she (almost) definitely knows how she sounds 👍
My asl teacher is hard of hearing and has been signing for a long time now, she always makes sure to remind us that ASL has a different structure than English and has taught us a lot about deaf culture :)
Took an ASL class when I was in college, my instructor was deaf and it was one of my favorite classes. I couldn’t continue due to the rigorous medical program I was in, it was too much. But it is something I still really want to continue my learning in. I loved my class and instructor immensely. ❤
I don't know her, but mostly it's when people already knew how to speak the language before they lose their hearing. Otherwise it's crazy amounts of work. I know a couple of people who were deaf at birth and some are very good, but I've never seen this level. Would never have been able to tell that she's deaf by listening to her, so if it's hard work... Hats off to you
I could be mistaking her for someone else, but I'm pretty sure that's not her voice. I've heard this exact story with her actual voice so I think this might be someone voicing over. If I did mix them up though, then I apologize for my mistake.
As someone who has been learning ASL for 10+ years, this is normal. Because ASL is still American English, but with your hands, it's the same words. It's like how you can type or write and speak those words at the same time. Obviously, it sounds weird when typing or writing because our writing / typing speed isn't as fast as our spoken speed, but ASL has a lot of shortcuts and is intended to be as fast as American English. Also, you don't speak Sign Language... you just sign.
@@XoIoRouge you’re probably talking about sign supported English (SSE) and not ASL, since the grammar system is different for ASL than English and words and phrases sometimes don’t line up properly
@@YeetusTheFetus Did I mention I have 10+ years? I know I'm talking about Signing Exact English (SEE), but that's not important for educating the OP. On the internet, I never "teach" more than needed. (A) OP stated Lizzy's speaking and signing at the same time is impressive, which it is. (B) In the video, Lizzy is signing exact English. "One time I went coffee shop show worker my order" That's not ASL. That's SEE. See NOTE at the end. (C) Thus, OP was impressed that SEE and Spoken English could be done at the same time, and I "blurred" the line between ASL and SEE because it's not important to distinguish the two. This way, if OP or anyone reading is interested by this idea, I'm not shoehorning and entire subconcept of Sign Language in with it - and if they're inspired or encouraged to learn more about ASL, they'll figure out SEE on their own. NOTE: If she isn't SEE, and what I'm seeing here IS ASL, then I actually can't tell the difference anymore because my brain automatically registers ASL as Exact English. But I highly doubt it based from experience.
@@XoIoRouge I'm not deaf, but I think it's very important to distinguish between the two. ASL is a different language, with different grammar and vocab that developed independant of spoken English (and is in fact more closely related to LSF than it), and I think it's really sad when people think that sign is just "spoken language but signed" and don't recognize sign language as its own, independant language.
@@randompikmin4103 We have different priorities then. I do not think it's important to distinguish between the two IFF the person I'm talking to (OP) has never learned ASL in the first place. There's no point in adding "What you're seeing is not ASL, but actually SEE (or SSE)." Here are a few of the issues I can theorize by specifying this statement at this time: (1) Adds possible confusion because they thought it was ASL by default (2) Adds words for me to explain the difference between ASL and SEE, which is just extra work for me. (3) Doesn't change my statement: ASL as a language CAN be spoken and signed at the same time - I do it all the time. (4) Due to the fact that my intention (point 3 above) is still accurate, I show restraint on "Over-Educating" - where I teach too much which causes the topic I'm teaching to be missed due to the extra fluff or confusion. (5) I look like an "Um, Actually" nerd. If I was teaching this to a classroom, or someone who ASKED me to teach them, then I will explain the difference. But if I'm informing a stranger online, out of my own volition, I do not want to sound imposing while still sparking interest in the language of ASL. (6) Some of my deaf friends sign strictly in SEE because that's what they were taught. Their community had a teacher who taught poorly and it caused most of the deaf folks (and their relatives) to learn SEE instead of ASL. The point I'm getting across here is that SEE isn't inherently bad or disrespectful to the language - that's a woke idea. NOT KNOWING THE DIFFERENCE is bad, sure, and should be taught, but I sign even SEE when I find myself a bit out of touch with the language and no one complains or is confused, realistically. (7) As I said in my prior post, whether I specify ASL or SEE, if the recipients are interested in learning because of what I said then they will find out about SEE on their own, from a qualified instructor. Honestly, I could probably list more reasons why overinforming is not useful here, but I'm getting to the nitty gritty and this post is getting long. I never said ASL isn't a language, and I don't expect what I said to make them think it isn't a language. I simply said, "You can do both at the same time!"
yeah i felt like she was mad at her for trying and i usually completely agree with her, this video made me kind of embarrassed as someone who is trying to learn sign…
She speaks really well! I didn't even realize she was deaf at first. Any deaf person I've met is at least a bit slurred because they can't hear themselves, so I was surprised
yeppppppp i originally learned in college but all of the profs were hearing asl interpreters. after graduating, went to asl pinnacle and followed deaf and coda creators to get more asl in my feed from native signers. when ppl ask me how to sign things, i try to walk them through but encourage taking classes from deaf educators since i'm NO WHERE near fluent, let alone capable of teaching reliably. (like i can show you how to sign woman and man, but native signers are going to know grammar, syntax, and use cases wayyyyyy better)
@@randiskye4444that's 100% correct. Not only does official sign languages have their own regional dialect, they have their own grammatical structures, syntaxes and slang. A lot of people (myself included before I studied BSL) thought it was just using signs in replace of the words. Some people do use sign this way, it's knows as SSE or SEE (Signed Supported English or Signed Exact English) but it's not the official language of Sign language (BritishSL, AmericanSL, GermanSL, you get the drift) as Sign Language is its own official recognised language. Hope this helps 🙂
I think it's sweet how the girl tried to make an effort to understand and communicate with you. Glad it wasn't another case of Dunkin Donuts if you know what I mean.
I work at a dunkin. And I always try to make sure guests are able to order especially if they have any sort of disability. In the past the dunkin i work at was BS and the customers weren't happy. When I joined, if I know they cannot hear/speak etc. I just point or write things down for them. Anything helps as long as you try. I do need someone to teach me ASL though. That would be so much easier.
@Just someone Saying ASL (or any sign language) is easy to learn is kind of misleading - it's a whole different language, so I guess it's easy to learn in the way other foreign languages are easy (although I never found them easy). Some sign is easy to learn and really helpful to communicate - I work at an inclusive elementary school and we teach some sign to all the kids. It doesn't only help Deaf kids, but those with language delays as well, it's helpful for short instructions without yelling across the classroom, etc. Being fluent in sign is a lot harder though.
I love how she does the I love you sign at the end because when I was little my grandma would always do the I love you sign to me and I would do it back even tho no one in our family was deaf
Chocolate is very similar to that though. So she could’ve just messed it up on her own. I think it’s important that people learn ASL from deaf people, but I think it’s important and really special that people want to learn at all and it should be appreciated and welcomed with love.
The signs that the lady did for vanilla and chocolate is actually signed English which isn't official ASL so a lot of signs are similar in fashion but are still very different from ASL
@@timdadwagan a deaf teacher will always be the best teacher for sign languages. They're visual languages, if your teacher is talking to you while teaching, you're going to listen with your ears instead of your eyes.
@@rylieriot516 Sorry as I‘m not knowledgeable here, but wouldn’t a hearing child of deaf parents also be able to teach? Like shouldn’t they be able to choose not to speak for those lessons but then maybe also be able to explain some stuff which might be useful for complete beginners.
For reals! I'm in my 3rd year of asl in high school actually lol. And when I was homeschooled as a child, I really enjoyed watching asl videos which really helped a lot down the road when I started taking my hs classes. Idk why I learned it as a kid though. Because myself and everyone around me was hearing. but i really did enjoy learning it and I'm very happy to know as much as I do now💖🤟
@@Dramatic-Bunny name one time you have you the quadratic outside of school... I use math because I'm still in college for a BS degree and my job needs math but most people don't use the the higher levels of math that they force us to learn.
@@Dramatic-Bunny I dont think its important it would just be more useful. But people act like because they are deaf it's more important to learn asl than Spanish or something and I dont agree.
@@MrBirdy-bf7rm Being deaf isn't just being a 100% death in both years. Some people are only deaf in one ear, or they are slightly deaf in one ear. Deaf people can still hear a little bit. Everyone is different.
I think it's amazing that the girl in the story wanted to learn ASL at all... Regardless of whom she learned from. I don't think everyone has the advantage of choosing who teaches them a skill... Personally, I just think it's awesome when anyone puts in the effort to learn.
You literally choose what skills you learn. And you choose whether or not to pay attention to whom Ian teaching as well as choosing whether or not to be taught by them. Just because someone has authority over you and can command you to listen and or act, in no way means you don’t have choice. You absolutely choose who teaches you because you choose what you take lessons and wisdom from. It is up to you, not anyone else to learn correctly with anything, that includes you doing your independent research into the teaching methods being used to educate you so that you can be certain whomever is teaching you, is actually doing so correctly.
@@fuckel98 you're right dude, therefore if someone ever tries to teach me a bit of deaf language i'll straight up refuse if they're able to hear. now i know nothing
Yes you're absolutely right Kelly. Beggars can't be choosers. She was happy the girl knew a little, and was trying. So that means she was happy this person learnt a little from a hearing person. Contradiction
100% this goes for Auslan too. I was blessed with learning Auslan as my second language directly from my aunt, who is deaf. The number of times I have had to correct people who use the incorrect sign, or an asl sign, it's crazy.
I spent a couple of years learning Auslan from profoundly Deaf people and there is a huge difference learning from a native speaker than hearing person. I am glad I had that opportunity.
@@HyperTheKappa Most people who’s born deaf doesn’t know how words are pronounced since they’ve never heard them. They are then usually really bad at talking and prounounciations. However, this girl talks with really good pronounciation and flow
@DinoDudeYT I'm aware, I have four years of ASL with a deaf teacher. I'm saying it is insensitive the way the commenter phrased a deaf accent as being "off tune". A lot of the comments on this video display a staggering amount of audism and say some things that rub me the wrong way, like "wow she talks so normal!"
@@HyperTheKappa waaah someone described something in a slightly different way than I find acceptable so I'm gonna cry on the internet to strangers waaaaaaaah 😢👶
It doesn't matter who you learn from, there will be confusion with different signs. The nature of ASL and the way it is spread out different from any spoken language mean you inevitably will run into people using different signs for the same thing. It can be like entirely different dialects. There are tons of different slang signs and it varies a ton from region to region. Deaf, hearing, and many hard of hearing who live between both worlds communicate very differently with each other.
FR! I learned some ASL as a kid and then again in high school. It was easy for me but some signs were different and threw me off. Ppl for forget regional signs and accents. It was be VERY beneficial if someone worked to make ASL be a bit more standardized
@@emmypersonal4033 it won't work any better than trying to standardize close latin rooted languages. When you have people groups spread apart using and developing the language differently, it will always change over time differently from the rest. There is standardized ASL which is what you learn at school for it, but it can't teach you slang and modified or new signs.
Actually it does matter, hearing people interact with the world completely differently than deaf or CODA people. Yes there's a lot of slang and dialects. But notice how in telling her sorry she left out details like what barista looked like, and didn't "set the scene" for the story. She noticed all those details but in the deaf community those things aren't important yet or at all. Where if it was hearing person would they would describe how busy it was, the barista and their mood, and walking up to the counter. Also the deaf community has a different culture than hearing. So between those 2 things sign often gets destroyed by someone who learned from a hearing person. (And to some deaf people signing like how hearing person speaks is offensive.)
I did learn level 1 BSL off a hearing person, but she was a hearing person with BSL interpreter level qualifications, lots of deaf friends, and was a non-BSL teacher as her day job.
What’s wild is the fact that when my grandma went to her school for the Deaf , she wasn’t taught by teachers how to sign, she was just taught by other students. She didn’t finish out her schooling so whatever words she doesn’t know, she just finger spells so I think stuff like that is at sign gets varied so much.
I'm a waitress in the UK and know a little bit of BSL (in the environment of a restaurant), I tried my best with some deaf customers who came in, I was able to ask if they had allergies etc - I'm glad they were patient with me 😂😂 I felt bad not being quick enough, but I tried to make them feel welcome, I hope they felt that
I'm learning NGT (dutch sign language) right now, in the Netherlands we have a college that teaches people to become translaters/teacher and more. Its mixed between deaf, hard of hearing and hearing people all learning together.
I have never heard a deaf person speak so clearly. I honestly could not tell you are deaf purely based on your voice. Your voice is lovely by the way 😊
My thoughts exactly. Either she lost it later in life or is faking it unfortunately. Her speech is flawless, which is nearly impossible for a deaf born person
@@Teh_Random_Canadian Everyone doesn't have a strong Deaf accent. If she got a cochlear really young and got a lot of speech therapy, this is indeed possible. EDIT: She was born hearing btw
@@Teh_Random_CanadianMaybe watch a couple of her videos before implying someone is faking? I've only seen a handful and I know she was born hearing and I believe still has a small amount of hearing in one ear.
I am hearing impaired and I learned English to communicate with teacher and peers for 2 years as a small child. I was mainstreamed into public school. No one to sign with. As I got older, I got into ASL and use it a lot . I moved from one state to another and there some little changes in signings. So, one person signing a word may not necessarily be wrong. Sometimes if there is question in a word, best to spell and then be opened that theirs is another way for signing that word. Best to learn ASL basics and get involved in deaf culture to learn more how they talk, act, and their way of doing things is different from hearing culture. Really an awesome culture!
I majored in ASL close to 15 years ago, and although the number of Deaf friends in my circle have dwindled -- as have how often I sign -- seeing your hands fly into telling the story made the hair stand up on the back of my neck and everything I learned crashed back into the forefront of my brain, as if it never left. ('^v^') I love ASL; such a poetic dance and illustrative language. Thank you for reminding me how much I miss it! Time to look around for local Deaf Socials, my hands are restless now.
She's not signing ASL though, it's SEE, which is Signed Exact English. If you can write while you speak, then you can sign SEE while you speak, since it's not another language it's just a codified version of English
i thought this was gonna be a story of "we both know sign language...but for different languages so even deaf folk can experience language barriers its just not immediately apparent because of being deaf" but i like this one too~
The worst part is that asl signs are more common because of the media so I’ll sign in AusLan because I’m Australian and in Australia and they’ll try to use the asl they’ve seen in tv shows which is a completely different language. Idk the ASL alphabet so I can’t help you 😅
Not everyone knows a deaf person to learn from. I’m wondering how to learn from a deaf person when you can’t communicate with them because you don’t know ASL. It’s really great that she had taken the time to start learning ASL. We live in an area with a lot of deaf people because there is a college for the deaf in the area. My daughter had to take a language in college, but they wouldn’t even give her language credit if she took ASL at a different college. 😢
I love how you're fluent in sign language because you have really bad hearing but that you still can talk but I still don't understand sign language if you talk that fast with it T^T (I'm trying to learn sign language on my own since no one want to learn with me)
I love love love your content! I also love when you sign it's so beautiful and when your nails click together as you signing is just so weirdly satisfying for me that's a definite sound I will never take for granted as a hearing person❤️ Much love 🤟
@@summerbelleflowers8836 Generally for all things in life; it's never too late to learn. And if you feel like this would enrich your life and be a good tool for you, go for it. :)
@@summerbelleflowers8836 People ask themselves this too much. You learned things once, you're still the same you and you can learn again. Try, fail, try again. There is no shame in trying and failing (only in not trying), so there is no reason not to try!
I’m learning from a hearing person but she went to Gallaudet, has deaf people in her household, and has been signing 10+ years. She’s a really awesome teacher.
CODAs (Children of Deaf Adults) and other hearing folks who grew up in the deaf community are great intersections of both cultures. I went to RIT (the other big deaf college) and some CODA friends introduced me to the community and taught me my first signs. So anyway, long winded way to say go you and it's a very valid way to start learning.
yeah, if you can share a language before learning ASL it'll be a lot easier to learn. If someone who doesn't speak your native tongue came to a class to teach a language you don't know it'd be a very slow process.
first thing i learned bout the sing language of my region is that hearing ppl are simply not allowed to teach it. i’m sure some do anyways but i’m glad that the course i chose was 100% managed by the deaf community and the interpreters were very well familiarized with such
I mean it’s good that she tried. And yes ur right. Most of the time hearing people butcher signs but not always. My ASL teacher teaches deaf and hearing kids. She says she is a deaf person in hearing persons body, if that makes sense.
I get this! It’s just kind of equating me who never spoken Spanish before try and speak Spanish without getting my point across. I love when people try ASL don’t get me wrong but even when I corrected her signing (in a nice way) by showing her the right signs for vanilla and chocolate, she didn’t bother to correct them. It’s one thing to learn a language and it’s another thing to learn how to get people to understand the language you’re using if that makes sense. 💖
@@L1zHarris maybe it's possible she just couldn't see the difference between what you were signing and what she was? Like maybe the difference seemed subtle to her even though to you it's a clear difference. Like having an accent.
@@L1zHarrisid you know asl is approx 205 years old? And is more closely related to French sign-language than English? I wonder if the server was expressing an English language sign.
It's so sweet that she did the "I love you" sign at the end ❤
nutted at that part
I love your PFP:3
aww
I thought that 'I love you' was 🤘 not 🤟?
@@bakugokatsuki3841
🤘 mean I love rock music (I think hehe)
🤟 mean I love you
Hope that helps 😊
At least she tried to communicate! That's honestly sweet and thats so kind to try to communicate with the little knowledge
This is my take. This girl acts so judgmental when someone is legit trying
@@rileybear836 She was never judgemental? She was really nice about it, actually. She was just saying to learn from people who actually KNOW the language
@@raymondthecartoonenjoyer4803 eh she seems too condescending. Like “omg this girl was so bad; just learn from real deaf people🙄🙄” ; without so much as “I really appreciate she was trying hard to learn another language”
If someone tried to learn English but they only learned from TV, I wouldn’t judge them for getting some things wrong or condescending to them for not learning from a native speaker. I’d appreciate that they were trying.
I’ve seen the video several times and it just always comes off as rude and condescending to me.
@@rileybear836 "Don't learn from people who don't know ASL" cmon isn't at least that statement a little fair? For example, if there was someone who had a first language that wasn't English, it's not *wrong* for someone else to learn English from them. But what if they aren't completely fluent and/or still learning and end up teaching them the wrong things? That's sort of what happened here, and she was just telling a story. She didn't really appear as rude as you are trying to say (at least in my opinion, and she did say she was excited to find out the girl knew some sign so I just thought the appreciation was implied).
I do still kind of see where you're coming from, though.
@@youraveragecityshulker eh I dunno. If someone is attempting to learn something, I’m appreciative of that. To me, she basically did the equivalent of rolling her eyes at the attempt the person was making.
It could also be a case of them learning a different sign language.
I'm from the Philippines and we have FSL (Filipino Sign Language). Even though it's closer to ASL than like JSL or BSL, there's still significant differences to a lot of the words. And there's this internal struggle of "Should I learn my local sign or the 'international standard'?" Because of how much fewer accessible resources for FSL than ASL.
Difficult to know. I am learning french sign language... and it is different too.
Logic, all languages are differents but difficult to know what is the best choice.
I'm trying to learn ASL as it's way easier to find material and stuff for it than my country's sign language. I've been researching how or where to learn sign language here and it seems to be non-existent, so yeah.
Just will try to learn ASL, then it'd be easier to learn another one I guess
AYO FELLOW PINOY
That's how I feel with Greek sign language! Asl is much more accessible with knowledge and I prefer to learn this language for now. But, I'd love to take classes for gsl someday!
Why not learn both? 🤷♀️
To be fair, in my asl class I was taught that because sign language was frowned upon for a big chunk of recent history, a lot of Deaf people would end up in little isolated communities, and so there ended up being a lot of variation in signs. But all of the asl teachers I knew in high school were either partially deaf or codas so there’s definitely something to be said about learning from people who have been singing for awhile
There’s also the fact that, until recently, you couldn’t really learn sign without meeting with a teacher in person. Pictures don’t convey the movements properly.
It's so cool how she can speak with all the normal inflections without hearing herself! Your speech is fantastic!
She was probably not deaf from birth so she learnt how to speak and then went deaf
@@csar07. bingo
Or she bullshittin
@@skurge8691yeah okay
@@skurge8691yeah, 1st why does it look like she isn't in sinc with the audio?
2nd if you are deaf you can't speak normally because you can't hear what you are saying. 3rd mabey she wasn't deaf until she learned how to speak but she should probably have some problems
I learned from a hearing teacher. Both of her parents are deaf and it was her first language, she learned to speak English later in life. She had an incredible outlook on deaf culture and it was by far my favorite class I have EVER taken.
That's very unique!
My ASL teacher was also a CODA, he was a super chill guy. I am definitely not fluent in ASL and I have just awful memory in general, but that was a good class. Only took it for half a year
i’d read her book
hey same!
@@cindymartinmalong2356The girl doing the video is deaf in her left ear I believe and started developing it when she was a kid and it got worse, so now she's fully deaf in that ear. Learning it from a young age is very good for any language to get a good grasp
actually CODA's are really great ASL teachers. They can communicate well both as a hearing person and in ASL, so I think this can be beneficial for a lot of hearing people looking to learn. Of course a deaf person is great too. This worker could've also been speaking a different SL, sometimes it be like that.
Edit: I would like to add as some others have mentioned that CODAs are native ASL speakers as well. And usually, you’ll find bilingual people are the best at teaching languages. I’ve taken several languages and not once has the teacher not been bilingual. Sometimes they’re native English speakers so they’ve learned the other language and can therefore teach it very well becuase native speakers don’t have to learn roots or conjugations or anything, or they’re native speakers and have learned English so they have experience learning a different language and can relate the similarities and differences to English. I am a polyglot and after learning my other four languages I only now can confidently say I would be able to teach English (native) to others because I understand how it works now. It’s very similar to CODAs. They’re really impressive and great at ASL just like deaf teachers.
Studies in other languages dont support this. You have much better outcomes when languages are taught by native speakers. Someone who relies on the language the most would truly know how to properly use that language. Way more than even the best interpreters i bet. And i bet most interpreters would agree.
@@alysemarie8313a CODA is a native speaker, FFS.
@@NanatheBrave I didnt mean to offend anyone. I guess i am saying that someone who fully relies on the language as their main form of communication is a more reliable teacher
@@alysemarie8313 This is also not necessarily true. If I had to learn English, I wouldn't trust most english speakers(this is a problem with ESL teachers in other countries because the lack of teaching credentials).
Just because you use a language or are dependent on it, doesn't mean you use it properly or in the most effective way. I've known deaf people(who could speak and chose to) who would talk about how some other deaf people would sign poorly(I don't entirely know what they meant by that).
@@alysemarie8313 You’re basically saying that bilingual people make worse language teachers. That’s not true. You’re also claiming that you need to speak the language every day to be fluent. Would you forget your native language if you moved to a new country and learned another?
i learned those signs from my deaf asl teacher. i assume they're either older signs or regional ones - all the professors in my college's asl department are from different areas of the country and they often argue over signs or my prof disagrees with some signs in the curriculum the university buys. mixups like this can happen even when we try to do everything right as students
yes! and this is the case with all languages. there are dialects, accents, nonverbal cues, and other nuances that can affect how two speakers of the same language understand one another. there’s not really ONE correct way to speak any language, including ASL! I think that’s part of what makes language so interesting :)
Makes sense since we have different words for things throughout the U.S. too that we could argue about being correct or not when I’m actuality they both are.
My best friend’s parents were both deaf, they taught me sign language because I was there all the time and my friend didn’t want to translate for me anymore, now I’ve got a lifelong skill
Your friend said figure it out 😂
Lol that’s cool
How long did it take you to learn?
According to this wally though that means you don't know how to sign 🙃
@@AoifeE. Not necessarily. She said you should learn from someone using the language out of necessity.. like this person did.
It’s amazing how she can speak so clearly while not being able to hear herself.
It takes years of speech therapy. She should be applauded for her patience in learning how to speak so well.
It’s most likely because she lost her hearing later in life, so her vocal chords retained the muscle memory
@@pallsmenis9240 like through some accident or illness and not from birth
i believe she was deaf in one ear and then she gradually lost her hearing in in the other ear, i think she also take speech therapy classes but correct me if im wrong
I know it’s almost like she trying to get free views
Most of us don't know any deaf people unfortunately.
I learned a few words online myself and the one and only time I ran into a deaf family (they were sitting next to us in a restaurant). When we were leaving the family waved me back because they realised that I had forgotten my bag. I did what I thought was the sign for "thank you", but by the confused look on their face I know it was very wrong and I just ran away very embarrassed.
Another possibility if someone's ASL sucks, it could be they learned a different signing language.
The Vietnamese man who was doing my pedicure told me he always got upset because people would always tell him to learn how to speak proper English. I could bearly understand him myself. He said he got perfect grades in his English class and he worked really hard on learning English before he moved here. But he found out that the woman who taught him, English wasn't her first language and she taught him broken English with a strong accent. He literally learned wrong. Not his fault.
I recently learned that so many people that speak English as a second language speak broken English because of how things directly translate. Same thing happens in asl, it doesn't exactly translate directly and facial expressions are way more important than I ever knew.
I always knew things didn't translate directly but I didn't quite realize how much sentence structure changes until I really started diving in. Now that I know, I get it and it gives me a whole new appreciation for people that take on learning English as their second language.
@@smogfry2005 people learn a language from the people they have access to, sometimes all you have access to is a non native speaker, meaning your version of the language will become a botched version of a botched version of the original
@@ordinrh1166 I get that, but sentence structure changes from language to language and dialects change from region to region. For example in Spanish you'd say mi hija tiene neuve anos which directly translated to English would be my daughter has nine years where as a native English speaker would say my daughter is nine years old.
@@smogfry2005 i,,, know? i'm not disagreeing with you? i'm adding to your statement?
I hate those kind of people the most. You’re in an establishment that speaks a different language so why don’t YOU learn to speak their language before you enter their safe zones 🙄
Oh sheesh. I learned from a Deaf woman in Rochester and it was amazing. Total immersion. No speaking, no writing. She was brilliant at building our understanding of ASL up without any English
:O how did you know what words u were learning?
@@NoDefaultsPlease She was able to build our vocabularly remarkably quickly with context and repetition. Our brains made the connections. Immersion really does work when you have a teacher who understands how to build up from very basic. I got nearly fluent in the year I was in her class.
@@Financiallyfreeauthor Huh, that's so cool!
Is she a private tutor or are these classes available in some course catalog??
@@NoDefaultsPlease that’s how everyone learns a language! your first language you never got it taught for you you understood as a baby and made the connections, aren’t we smart?
Girl your voice is actually really good for a deaf person!! I literally cant tell without your hands moving.
Something I learned in my ASL class (taught by an audiologist) was that there are many different regional signs for words in ASL. Just like how somebody from Louisiana has an accent different from somebody in New Orleans, the same applies to regions where people speak ASL. "Beer" comes to mind since it has so many different variations in ASL. There may be one "official" sign, but that's kind of like how a word will have an "official" pronunciation. You aren't obligated to follow everything to a T.
This video comes across as kind of ignorant. I think it's wonderful for everyone to learn, use, and teach ASL regardless of our ability to hear. Definitely try to have a more open mind in the future!
Not everyone can learn from a deaf person if they don't know anybody who's deaf. But even knowing some basic sign is helpful in these situations.. ❤️
Exactly! I think the fact that they’re trying to learn to communicate to as many people as possible is the biggest thing!
It's called going on the internet, lol.
youtube. i’m baked at how dumb people still are
RUclips has some great teachers. I learnt asl from yt and I learnt vr asl from the game its used in and the community that use it
@@solsikkeridderuhyre5172 90% sure the people that posted on the internet can hear.
not everyone knows deaf people, the fact she knew some is amazing. So regardless of who she learnt it from, she's trying
I mean she said “try” to learn from a deaf person🤷🏽♀️
I think she means in an academic setting.
@@LotharOfTheHillPeople the comments in here don't have much real world logic, do they?
We're all on the internet rn aren't we?? Plenty of deaf people who teach or are willing to teach can be found. You have to TRY, like she said
I agree, and plus, mute people exist too, I know mute people who are not hard of hearing.
The nail clicks are so soothing
Really?? I find them super distracting and that they take away from the message.
I'm coda and somethings you have said was book sign. Understand you are completing your life with what happened. There's more different ways. Sign language is just like accents or I compare to spanish therew different Spanish depending where you live.. don't worry just keep a open mind and learn. My fully born deaf mother taught me im hearing be open minded and don't be closed minded you will never learn anything with a closed mind
in the barista's defense tho, i think sshe tried her best. not everyone would know a person who's actually deaf and learn ASL from them. she could take classes but i think she never really thought she would be having this experience by chance. i felt that she tried to speak to her in ASL just to help. she had a good heart.
Exactly, like at least she was trying how many other people don't give a shit and really, what's the percentage of deaf people in the US? I'd imagine less than 5 percent, so what's the chance she would actually even be able to find a deaf person to teach her
Same, i really want to learn sign language but i don't know any deaf person and i can only learn online i think she did her best
Yeah it was nice up until the back handed compliment
I don't even see how she was mean here.She literally said she was excited and this is something alot of deaf ppl gave spoken about.There are certain situations where a good intentioned person with incorrect signing knowledge can negatively impact or endanger deaf people.Also disabled ppl shouldnt have to put the feelings of ppl who dont use sign language out of necessity or non deaf ppl over ensuring that one of their only forms of communication is being used properly and in a way they can understand fluently.
@@blessingfp4470 while do understand where you are coming from, the reason what she has described is being seen negatively is the fact that the person providing service did actually try to assist and didn’t just pass her off to someone else, next to that due to her clear ability to communicate vocally when she didn’t understand the sign language she could have just said it as she did in the video. Had the subject been one that was of danger I’m sure the customer service person would have likely sought more appropriate help.
came for the lesson
stayed for the unintentional ASMR
Ikr 😂
same, i wish she could hear how soothing her unintentional asmr is
Thank you😂
Same 😂 I'm addicted to it
Unintentional? What do you mean? 😅
My asl teacher in highschool was deaf. I was one of the few students who treated her with so much respect and admiration. She eventually moved to California and got a really good teaching position at some school (dont remember, been a few years). Mrs. Cooler was amazing, and tried to make learning so much. I rly do miss her.
Did you have hearing and then lose it, or is your speech coach just that good? You have the most incredibly accurate intonation and inflection I've ever heard from any deaf person.
Vanilla or chocolate aren't usually the first words someone trys and learns in asl which means that girl went out of her way to learn those sign on the chance a deaf person walked in to that shop so she could communicate with them.
i was thinking the same name, she sounds like such a sweet girl ❤️
Right good for her and even if it wasn't clear it got the message across
I’ve tried to do that for every job I’ve worked, fast food, hostess, barista, now I need to learn for retail 😅
@@randomdani2343 same I work at a pet store but there’s way too many products and terms to learn 😭
but she would choose it since shes working at a cafe ofc
“She a little confused but she got the spirit”
Like any language, learning from a native "speaker" is always the best way.
Honestly. My old ASL teacher moved to go teach middle school English, and a teacher from OSD (Ohio school for the Deaf) took her place. She corrected at least 30-50 signs that our old teacher taught us entirely wrong.
I learned a little from my sister. She's not deaf but went to school to become a sign language interpretor. Sign language was a passion of hers when we moved across the country and a deaf person became her best friend. This unfortunately got cut short when she had an accident and lost part of her hearing (a significant hearing loss in one ear only), a month before the exams. That's one of the biggest barriers you could have in that career, so she was never able to have her dream job. The irony of it is cruel. (She's okay now and has a new passion, her kids)
That IS some cruel irony 😭
That’s just awful
I took an ASL course my first year out of high school and the professor was deaf... Do you have any idea why your sister wasn't able to pursue something like that instead? Did she not want to teach?
Genuine questions by the way. I'm just curious, not trying to be rude 😅
@@arianamarkus5041Maybe she is? They said she has a passion for children now and that can be one way someone talks about a teacher of something.
@@jadedawes2556
Perhaps, it just sounded as though she completely gave up on doing anything in that field
Those signs were taught to me as vanilla and chocolate from the older ASL instead of English signed. So I knew what you meant immediately. We had a deaf speaking teacher too.
Yeah, I immediately recognized that as an old way of saying vanilla and chocolate, since my ASL teacher when I was little was much older. The ASL teacher that I had in 2 years ago explained that all of the signs changed as the times went on, like how the sign for phone and computer have changed.
What does asl mean tho-
@@arilynnlee it means American Sign Language
Does she tells the story of a deaf girl in a shop or is she deaf and speaking that way? I have never heard a deaf person speaking with tones and so much expression in the voice, that's perturbing for me
@@comptegoogle5071 She’s deaf herself :)
Why are people even saying you were rude? Girl literally said "I was so happy/excited that she knew a bit of asl!" Like darlings, my dears, y'all are PROJECTING
I use sign bank to learn Auslan. (Australian sign) the majority of people I've met who use sign are actually both hearing and technically speaking, but due to physical disabilities are unable to for words so either use pod books or sign. I also use sign for myself as I have neurological conditions that cause my brain and mouth to not always be connected and signing helps me not stumble if I sign and talk at the same time.
Your speaking is amazing. Out of all the deaf people I've seen on social media you speak the most clearly and it's amazing because usually when someone can't hear themselves they aren't sure if they're saying something correctly
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I think she was born with the ability to hear and lost it recently
@@myobsessionisawkward congrats you get a cookie from 2012
@@heartv212 hell nah, internet cookies are used to sell your data despite the innocent intentions that they could be used to keep you logged in even if you leave and and come back to a same website. Why would you wish such a horrible fate to that guy?
she 100% was not born deaf most of her life was spent with hearing she's clout chasing
My parents are deaf, I grew up in the 60s. A lot of the signs I grew up with have changed. It’s quite comical when I sign
Words In general have different meanings today. It’s like they change the dictionary on the daily. You should see me trying to talk to my teenager. She’s either laughing or highly embarrassed by me.
Bruh u got a sign language accent!?!?
Wow you are that miracle child
When you sign, it's like you've got an old radio show voice
Oh no you speak that Ye Olde Sign 😅
She’s so good at ASL and at speaking and the way she did the “ I love you “ sign 🤟
This get to my anxiety a ton, imagine using the little you know about sign language, trying to be polite, then just to get trashed in the internet.
My ASL teacher is hearing but she’s been to Gallaudet University and I think she’s pretty education in formal sign language. She tells us about the culture, etiquete, and she has us use sources online from actual deaf people to check our signing. I love communicating with people.
Okay fine maybe it shouldn’t be a requirement for jobs but I *suggest* that it should be taught in high school. Especially if the career or job you want requires talking to a wide variety of people. And yes while Deaf/HOH people could write their communications down it doesn’t give them same fulfilling effect as face to face conversation. Because then the Deaf/HOH people are communicating through a piece of paper, not an actual person
my ASL teacher is also hearing and also went to Gallaudet University and she teaches us formal and non formal so that when we actually are fluent in ASL we dont look dumb using only the formal signs! also she is the sweetest lady ever i love her sm!
Why should it be a requirement for jobs? Rather wouldn't it be better for this to be taught in schools?
Yes! I completely agree with her how it should be a requirement for every job! Very few people actually know how to interact with Deaf/HOH
@@cottoncandiez8872 This. Making it a job requirement now could bar a lot of lower income adults from entire industries, but adding it to the curriculum could make it so that going forward, a lot more people can reliably communicate in ASL; not to mention, the younger you are, the easier it is to learn languages, so they might be able to retain that information.
@@_stupidbro We use ASL throughout the district I work in, have D/HH classrooms and a Deaf high school that's integrated into a mainstream high school so there's a good number of millennials and Gen Z who know enough ASL to help someone in an emergency. It's really helpful that the community college actually got ASL recognized as a foreign language and is a transferrable, thus further encouraging students who want most gen ed classes completed.
People sign so fast I’m like: slow down I can’t read that fast😂
Bro looking like kakashi out here
@@SirSkyro 😭💀
Especially finger spelling
right !! i be going to fast for my own self when i read.
Also, those finger nails a mile long makes it really hard to figure out. Like its distracting to me who can read a little of it ... she is not doing herself a favor right there. Sorry.
My uncle has been deaf his entire life, and he's been through so many sign changes that he can figure stuff out just from context.
The shaking C & V would be more than enough.
I am currently learning from a man who is deaf. He's been so kind, patient, and encouraging! I'm so grateful for him!
I'm not deaf at all, but she has MUCH better verbal communication skills than I do.
Ikr. Her speech is so eloquent and concise while I'm out here barely able to mumble out my order in a kfc
She’s deaf not mute
@@popcanter188 I don’t think you understand how hard it is to sound normal while deaf. When you can’t hear your own voice you don’t know how to sound or how to correct your speech. It’s honestly quite insane how fluidly and normal she can speak.
Me too!
Or maybe she went dead after being able to speak and hear for so long? Not everyone is dead from birth 🙄
Wow her speech is 10/10. I wouldnt even know she is deaf
She wasn't born Deaf.
@@am-lo1pz Obviously, yeah.
It’s because she wasn’t deaf for most of her life. The reason deaf people sound different is because they’ve never heard the sounds. So them trying to recreate it often sounds much different than how everyone else says it
@kaza12345678 I'm a musician.
We playback the mic through headphones in real-time in order to hear ourselves - if you have the incorrect settings it causes a slight delay and you get the same thing. It's worse with actual delay or reverb.
"I (I)... uh (uh)"
Your brain is focused on something other than the noises that you are actively making - so it's probably not dissimilar than trying to form words when you can't hear them.
She doesn't have a deaf accent because she wasn't born deaf.
For those of y'all who don't understand, I'll explain further.. it's not just abt her not signing vanilla, correctly! It wasn't just a minor error bc that sign looks very similar to another sign -- w a VERY DIFFERENT CONNOTATION.. where the meaning of the sign, it resembles, is very inappropriate language in ASL! The reason you should learn from a Deaf person also has to do with understanding context.. bc tru ASL is NOT English! There are so many phrases in ASL, that I could, list word for word, in English, and Non-Signers would probably still not understand.. even though it was directly translated for them bc the wording still doesn't give full context. Also, people fail to understand that just how like spoken language evolves, so do the languages in sign.. it's not about her signing mistake; it's more abt how she learned sign and who she chose as a her source -- which is an honest mistake tht should not be ridiculed or demonized bc thts not okay, regardless.. but there are still some signs, in particular, that wouldn't be as socially acceptable to use or may evn have a different meaning, now.. That's why if you're going to teach a language, you have to not only know/understand the language, as an expert, but you have to know how to explain the context, accurately.. that way, new learners don't mistakenly offend someone or unknowingly express something tht looks/sounds concerning to ppl in tht particular culture! Certain words can have certain connotations, all by themselves, and signs are no different
your nails hitting eachother when you sign is actually so satisfying to me
Your voice and linguistics are SO CLEAR. In my experience when speaking with someone non-hearing, their linguistics tend to be much less clear. Well done dude 👏
Yeah when I was a cashier at Walmart there was a deaf man that came in every so often, he’d try to ask me for specific cigs by talking but it honestly was very garbled. He’d get angry and walk off because no one understood. I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone speak this clearly.
It could also imply a few things.
1. She’s not actually deaf.
2. She’s only partially deaf. (Most probable)
3. She went deaf much later in life.
4. She went deaf at a young age but had practice to make sure her speech was fine. (Not realistic fyi)
My bet is either option 1 and 2
@@metalrain300 bro she aint dead 💀
@QueerAssTiefling your right, I was browsing RUclips shorts and it came up. So blame the RUclips gods for that. Also your right again, only deaf people I have ever interacted was my aunt basically my whole life and whoever she would be with at the time I’d see her. Also speculation not assumption, I took information and various assumptions from other comments to come up with a list of reasons that might prove logic given the scope of information I had on hand. Though at the end I did throw my own two cents on what I think would be the most likely options based on what people are known to do for their 5 seconds of fame and the given info I had on hand.
@@TitorEPK I didn’t say she was? Edit, I see the mistake lol
I’ve never seen someone sign with such long nails. I was completely hypnotized by the Asmr of it all 😂
they look like cello tapes
I’m one of those like that. Lately, I’ve had to take them off because of work reasons though
scarlet may has ACTUAL long nails and she’s deaf you should hear it, it’s sooooo satisfying 😫
I was in the twilight zone drifting off into space watching those nails fling around
It was almost relaxing.
I was completely annoyed lol
am i the only one who thinks that she speaks so well for a deaf person? that's so cool!
I would have just ended up spelling it out, that barista is impressive for even knowing the words! I have a little bit of ASL knowledge, but definitely not enough to get me through a conversation. But I can be very polite in ASL, I know all my manners.
Your voice is clear and your diction is perfect, indistinguishable from that of a hearer
Probably went deaf later in life, people who are born unable to hear are unable to speak
This is what i waa about to say, but you said it better 😂
It is because she ain’t deaf the pitch in her voice wouldn’t be like that
I'm not surprised the person didn't think she was deaf because she sounds like she wasn't deaf
Exactly. Amazing. ❤
My mom was a volunteer sign language interpreter for the courthouse in Florence, Alabama from time to time. She grew up with a cousin that was deaf and aside from his immediate family members my mom was the only one who was fluent in ASL. Growing up she always signed I love you (🤟🏼) to my brothers and I and I still do it to this day to people I love. She taught me some but I’m not fluent in ASL. I wish I were. My mom passed away 6 years ago after a long struggle with addiction. She was so troubled but she taught me so much and had a heart of gold. I miss her everyday ❤
*EDIT*- Wow 😮 I’ve never gotten so many likes. It makes me happy that a good memory may have resonated with some of y’all 😊
Thank you guys for all the likes and kind comments 🤗
My condolences on the loss of your Mom.
Addiction is a horrible place to be.
I hope you and yours know the signs, and protect yourselves from it in the future.
Stay safe and healthy out there and know you are loved.
Sorry to hear about your mom. Glad you have good memories of her, and that your view of her hasn't been skewed by her addiction. May she rest and be at peace from her disease. ❤
Sorry to hear about your mom, she seemed to be such a cool person !
@@waltbauer1003 thank you and I agree. I went through a long phase of not wanting to talk to or see her because of her addiction but as I got older and after she passed I was left with a crazy amount of guilt for not seeing her as the person she was behind her addiction. I’ve definitely lived my life knowing that addiction runs in my family and I don’t want to end up the same way that so many others in my family have. But I’ve come to learn a lot about addiction and I’ve changed my perspective about the people who suffer with it. After a while it isn’t a choice anymore and it causes physical and psychological pain to the people who suffer with it. I wish I thought the same way while my mom was still here. Seeing her go through everything she did and looking back with hindsight gives me a great deal of empathy for people struggling with mental health issues. People who are poor and struggle with their mental health tend to self medicate and that’s where the addiction begins.
I used to want to be an interpreter but I’m hearing and I don’t know any deaf people so that would be hella weird
so I'm learning from a gentleman who is Deaf online through his YT videos, and I sometimes use it with my partner, who learned it a long time ago. We mostly use it because we get really messed up by loudness and signing helps us understand each other if we're in a loud situation. We keep finding that either he learned from a hearing person, or ASL has evolved over time. It's frustrating at times, but we're teaching each other as we go.
your tone is rlly soft and good at pronouncing words! 😮 Thats rlly cool
ASL is like spoken language, it’s different in different countries and regional. In Germany there are sometimes 4 different signs for the same thing
ASL = American Sign Language. Wouldn't it be better to say "Sign is like spoken language [...]"?
@@nouraa.9958lol. It would be a lot easier if it was that way, but ASL has a different grammar structure than English. It’s similar to the structure of French.
@@abigailginter4785 You don't understand my comment. I said that "ASL" isn't the word for sign language(s), ASL isn't signed in Germany, in Germany it's a completely different language.
The US is the same way. It’s a little different all over the country
Sure, but this isn't like learning a dialect, this is like learning German from a Swedish person that took lessons for a few years on it in secondary school 😅
I know you will never be able to hear it, but you have a beautiful voice and I could watch you talk and sign all day 🥺
basing off of how well she speaks, her ears may only be able to pick up vibrations from her own voice or anything loud enough to rattle her head - all deaf people "hear" differently, just like some blind people can tell if they're in a dark or bright room, even if they "can't see." It's a spectrum, like everything else :)
@Ante Marić that's also a possibility - she'd still be using what little hearing ability she had to know she's saying things correctly
@@csonweedagain5054 that’s great but you can’t hear your own voice. You make up how your voice sounds in your head, that’s why you’re shocked when you hear how you sound in a video. So in a sense, she’ll never here how her voice really sounds.
@@Matteo_nr1_evermore_stan ? Your voice sounds different to you over the phone because your own voice physically vibrates your head, which vibrates the bones in the ear. When creating the telephone, it was discovered that you don't need as many low frequencies playing at a time to understand a voice, so to save on bandwidth and time they left those frequencies out - not to mention it would be playing out of a phone speaker, which is also missing many frequencies and most certainly not vibrating the head. All this is to say she (almost) definitely knows how she sounds 👍
Worded it I'm the worst way possible
My asl teacher is hard of hearing and has been signing for a long time now, she always makes sure to remind us that ASL has a different structure than English and has taught us a lot about deaf culture :)
Took an ASL class when I was in college, my instructor was deaf and it was one of my favorite classes. I couldn’t continue due to the rigorous medical program I was in, it was too much. But it is something I still really want to continue my learning in. I loved my class and instructor immensely. ❤
okay but HOW does she speak english perfectly while not hearing her own voice. i could never
I don't know her, but mostly it's when people already knew how to speak the language before they lose their hearing. Otherwise it's crazy amounts of work. I know a couple of people who were deaf at birth and some are very good, but I've never seen this level. Would never have been able to tell that she's deaf by listening to her, so if it's hard work... Hats off to you
I could be mistaking her for someone else, but I'm pretty sure that's not her voice. I've heard this exact story with her actual voice so I think this might be someone voicing over.
If I did mix them up though, then I apologize for my mistake.
She can hear a little bit, she has implants/hearing aids and has said she can’t hear well if you have a mask on or have an accent
So true😊
@@anavarexe1820If she couldn’t hear anything at all then she wouldn’t be able to lip sync an audio fam, that is her voice
Am I the only one who’s hypnotized by the fact that she can speak 2 languages at the same freaking time
As someone who has been learning ASL for 10+ years, this is normal. Because ASL is still American English, but with your hands, it's the same words. It's like how you can type or write and speak those words at the same time. Obviously, it sounds weird when typing or writing because our writing / typing speed isn't as fast as our spoken speed, but ASL has a lot of shortcuts and is intended to be as fast as American English.
Also, you don't speak Sign Language... you just sign.
@@XoIoRouge you’re probably talking about sign supported English (SSE) and not ASL, since the grammar system is different for ASL than English and words and phrases sometimes don’t line up properly
@@YeetusTheFetus Did I mention I have 10+ years?
I know I'm talking about Signing Exact English (SEE), but that's not important for educating the OP. On the internet, I never "teach" more than needed.
(A) OP stated Lizzy's speaking and signing at the same time is impressive, which it is.
(B) In the video, Lizzy is signing exact English. "One time I went coffee shop show worker my order" That's not ASL. That's SEE. See NOTE at the end.
(C) Thus, OP was impressed that SEE and Spoken English could be done at the same time, and I "blurred" the line between ASL and SEE because it's not important to distinguish the two. This way, if OP or anyone reading is interested by this idea, I'm not shoehorning and entire subconcept of Sign Language in with it - and if they're inspired or encouraged to learn more about ASL, they'll figure out SEE on their own.
NOTE: If she isn't SEE, and what I'm seeing here IS ASL, then I actually can't tell the difference anymore because my brain automatically registers ASL as Exact English. But I highly doubt it based from experience.
@@XoIoRouge I'm not deaf, but I think it's very important to distinguish between the two. ASL is a different language, with different grammar and vocab that developed independant of spoken English (and is in fact more closely related to LSF than it), and I think it's really sad when people think that sign is just "spoken language but signed" and don't recognize sign language as its own, independant language.
@@randompikmin4103 We have different priorities then. I do not think it's important to distinguish between the two IFF the person I'm talking to (OP) has never learned ASL in the first place. There's no point in adding "What you're seeing is not ASL, but actually SEE (or SSE)." Here are a few of the issues I can theorize by specifying this statement at this time:
(1) Adds possible confusion because they thought it was ASL by default
(2) Adds words for me to explain the difference between ASL and SEE, which is just extra work for me.
(3) Doesn't change my statement: ASL as a language CAN be spoken and signed at the same time - I do it all the time.
(4) Due to the fact that my intention (point 3 above) is still accurate, I show restraint on "Over-Educating" - where I teach too much which causes the topic I'm teaching to be missed due to the extra fluff or confusion.
(5) I look like an "Um, Actually" nerd. If I was teaching this to a classroom, or someone who ASKED me to teach them, then I will explain the difference. But if I'm informing a stranger online, out of my own volition, I do not want to sound imposing while still sparking interest in the language of ASL.
(6) Some of my deaf friends sign strictly in SEE because that's what they were taught. Their community had a teacher who taught poorly and it caused most of the deaf folks (and their relatives) to learn SEE instead of ASL. The point I'm getting across here is that SEE isn't inherently bad or disrespectful to the language - that's a woke idea. NOT KNOWING THE DIFFERENCE is bad, sure, and should be taught, but I sign even SEE when I find myself a bit out of touch with the language and no one complains or is confused, realistically.
(7) As I said in my prior post, whether I specify ASL or SEE, if the recipients are interested in learning because of what I said then they will find out about SEE on their own, from a qualified instructor.
Honestly, I could probably list more reasons why overinforming is not useful here, but I'm getting to the nitty gritty and this post is getting long. I never said ASL isn't a language, and I don't expect what I said to make them think it isn't a language. I simply said, "You can do both at the same time!"
At least people are trying to learn. I don't know any deaf person and I'm trying to learn. Sooo at least she's trying
learning from a hearing person is better than not learning at all!
I applaud her for learning it at all just to make somebodys life easier.
yeah i felt like she was mad at her for trying and i usually completely agree with her, this video made me kind of embarrassed as someone who is trying to learn sign…
@@Ashton8844 I mean she's very young and it shows sometimes.I'm sure she'll come around.
She speaks really well! I didn't even realize she was deaf at first. Any deaf person I've met is at least a bit slurred because they can't hear themselves, so I was surprised
Agreed! Impressive
Likely she wasn't born deaf. And learned to speak before she went deaf.
SAME
It has the same feel as Molly Burke being able to "correctly" (from a body language pov) react to people as if she was seeing
Yea cause she is a fucking liar
Wow - most deaf ppl I’ve met don’t speak so well as you that’s amazing - I know each person of different I just find it fascinating 🥰
yeppppppp i originally learned in college but all of the profs were hearing asl interpreters. after graduating, went to asl pinnacle and followed deaf and coda creators to get more asl in my feed from native signers. when ppl ask me how to sign things, i try to walk them through but encourage taking classes from deaf educators since i'm NO WHERE near fluent, let alone capable of teaching reliably. (like i can show you how to sign woman and man, but native signers are going to know grammar, syntax, and use cases wayyyyyy better)
When I learned ASL my teacher taught us that sometimes we will come across people who sign words differently depending on what region they grew up in.
So there are regional "accents" in ASL?
@@randiskye4444 just like English has regional slang. Boba from west side of Us is called bubble tea on the east side of US
@@DiznilyLove I’ve heard people use both in both areas of the US. Not sure it really matters, but good example.
@@randiskye4444that's 100% correct. Not only does official sign languages have their own regional dialect, they have their own grammatical structures, syntaxes and slang. A lot of people (myself included before I studied BSL) thought it was just using signs in replace of the words. Some people do use sign this way, it's knows as SSE or SEE (Signed Supported English or Signed Exact English) but it's not the official language of Sign language (BritishSL, AmericanSL, GermanSL, you get the drift) as Sign Language is its own official recognised language. Hope this helps 🙂
And countries too like BSL vs ASL and abbreviations. It is hard. Always handy to have though.
I think it's sweet how the girl tried to make an effort to understand and communicate with you. Glad it wasn't another case of Dunkin Donuts if you know what I mean.
What happened at Dunkin Donuts? 🤣
@Naomi Barócsi I want to know this as well lol
@Just someone they have taught it in schools before. i learned in kindergarten but i don’t think they teach it anymore
I work at a dunkin. And I always try to make sure guests are able to order especially if they have any sort of disability. In the past the dunkin i work at was BS and the customers weren't happy. When I joined, if I know they cannot hear/speak etc. I just point or write things down for them. Anything helps as long as you try. I do need someone to teach me ASL though. That would be so much easier.
@Just someone Saying ASL (or any sign language) is easy to learn is kind of misleading - it's a whole different language, so I guess it's easy to learn in the way other foreign languages are easy (although I never found them easy).
Some sign is easy to learn and really helpful to communicate - I work at an inclusive elementary school and we teach some sign to all the kids. It doesn't only help Deaf kids, but those with language delays as well, it's helpful for short instructions without yelling across the classroom, etc. Being fluent in sign is a lot harder though.
I love how she does the I love you sign at the end because when I was little my grandma would always do the I love you sign to me and I would do it back even tho no one in our family was deaf
There’s a deaf professor at my college and he teaches ASL!! I’d much rather learn from someone deaf. It gives you much more experience.
Chocolate is very similar to that though. So she could’ve just messed it up on her own. I think it’s important that people learn ASL from deaf people, but I think it’s important and really special that people want to learn at all and it should be appreciated and welcomed with love.
Problem with learning it from a deaf person or someone who can’t speak is you don’t know what they’re saying
The signs that the lady did for vanilla and chocolate is actually signed English which isn't official ASL so a lot of signs are similar in fashion but are still very different from ASL
@@timdadwagan a deaf teacher will always be the best teacher for sign languages. They're visual languages, if your teacher is talking to you while teaching, you're going to listen with your ears instead of your eyes.
@@rylieriot516 Sorry as I‘m not knowledgeable here, but wouldn’t a hearing child of deaf parents also be able to teach? Like shouldn’t they be able to choose not to speak for those lessons but then maybe also be able to explain some stuff which might be useful for complete beginners.
This! Also, does what she did mean something else? I’m confused
We should learn sign language in school. It’s such an important thing to need to know
For reals! I'm in my 3rd year of asl in high school actually lol. And when I was homeschooled as a child, I really enjoyed watching asl videos which really helped a lot down the road when I started taking my hs classes. Idk why I learned it as a kid though. Because myself and everyone around me was hearing. but i really did enjoy learning it and I'm very happy to know as much as I do now💖🤟
onehundred percent
For that same reasoning kids should learn every other language in the world but that's not happening we need to learn useless math
@@Dramatic-Bunny name one time you have you the quadratic outside of school...
I use math because I'm still in college for a BS degree and my job needs math but most people don't use the the higher levels of math that they force us to learn.
@@Dramatic-Bunny I dont think its important it would just be more useful.
But people act like because they are deaf it's more important to learn asl than Spanish or something and I dont agree.
it’s amazing how well u can speak
A deaf person doing ASMR is the most wild thing I've heard of.
you speak SO CLEARLY i feel like you'd be a good teacher
deaf people usually speak in weird tones because they can’t hear themselves
Because she capping
@@MrBirdy-bf7rmyeah either that or she became deaf abd wasn't born it though it most likely the previous.
@@MrBirdy-bf7rm she probably was not born deaf
@@MrBirdy-bf7rm Being deaf isn't just being a 100% death in both years. Some people are only deaf in one ear, or they are slightly deaf in one ear. Deaf people can still hear a little bit. Everyone is different.
I think it's amazing that the girl in the story wanted to learn ASL at all... Regardless of whom she learned from. I don't think everyone has the advantage of choosing who teaches them a skill... Personally, I just think it's awesome when anyone puts in the effort to learn.
You literally choose what skills you learn. And you choose whether or not to pay attention to whom Ian teaching as well as choosing whether or not to be taught by them. Just because someone has authority over you and can command you to listen and or act, in no way means you don’t have choice. You absolutely choose who teaches you because you choose what you take lessons and wisdom from. It is up to you, not anyone else to learn correctly with anything, that includes you doing your independent research into the teaching methods being used to educate you so that you can be certain whomever is teaching you, is actually doing so correctly.
@@fuckel98 you're right dude, therefore if someone ever tries to teach me a bit of deaf language i'll straight up refuse if they're able to hear. now i know nothing
Yes you're absolutely right Kelly. Beggars can't be choosers. She was happy the girl knew a little, and was trying. So that means she was happy this person learnt a little from a hearing person. Contradiction
@@fuckel98 My dude, I’ve never even seen a deaf person, can’t exactly go up to anyone and ask them to teach me shit
Exactly 💯
this video is unnecessary virtue signaling to another.level 😒🙄
100% this goes for Auslan too. I was blessed with learning Auslan as my second language directly from my aunt, who is deaf. The number of times I have had to correct people who use the incorrect sign, or an asl sign, it's crazy.
I spent a couple of years learning Auslan from profoundly Deaf people and there is a huge difference learning from a native speaker than hearing person. I am glad I had that opportunity.
Her voice is very beautiful, and she's doing really well on speaking fluently without any different off tune accents
Why call a deaf accent off tune? That's kinda rude dude
@@HyperTheKappa Most people who’s born deaf doesn’t know how words are pronounced since they’ve never heard them. They are then usually really bad at talking and prounounciations. However, this girl talks with really good pronounciation and flow
@DinoDudeYT I'm aware, I have four years of ASL with a deaf teacher. I'm saying it is insensitive the way the commenter phrased a deaf accent as being "off tune". A lot of the comments on this video display a staggering amount of audism and say some things that rub me the wrong way, like "wow she talks so normal!"
@@HyperTheKappa waaah someone described something in a slightly different way than I find acceptable so I'm gonna cry on the internet to strangers waaaaaaaah 😢👶
@@HyperTheKappa I’ll wait for someone deaf to complain instead of someone complaining on behalf of people who aren’t complaining.
It doesn't matter who you learn from, there will be confusion with different signs. The nature of ASL and the way it is spread out different from any spoken language mean you inevitably will run into people using different signs for the same thing. It can be like entirely different dialects. There are tons of different slang signs and it varies a ton from region to region. Deaf, hearing, and many hard of hearing who live between both worlds communicate very differently with each other.
nailed it
This^^ regional signs or Deaf regional accents are SIGNIFICANTLY than most people realize.
FR! I learned some ASL as a kid and then again in high school. It was easy for me but some signs were different and threw me off. Ppl for forget regional signs and accents. It was be VERY beneficial if someone worked to make ASL be a bit more standardized
@@emmypersonal4033 it won't work any better than trying to standardize close latin rooted languages. When you have people groups spread apart using and developing the language differently, it will always change over time differently from the rest. There is standardized ASL which is what you learn at school for it, but it can't teach you slang and modified or new signs.
Actually it does matter, hearing people interact with the world completely differently than deaf or CODA people. Yes there's a lot of slang and dialects. But notice how in telling her sorry she left out details like what barista looked like, and didn't "set the scene" for the story. She noticed all those details but in the deaf community those things aren't important yet or at all. Where if it was hearing person would they would describe how busy it was, the barista and their mood, and walking up to the counter. Also the deaf community has a different culture than hearing. So between those 2 things sign often gets destroyed by someone who learned from a hearing person. (And to some deaf people signing like how hearing person speaks is offensive.)
I did learn level 1 BSL off a hearing person, but she was a hearing person with BSL interpreter level qualifications, lots of deaf friends, and was a non-BSL teacher as her day job.
It’s always a treat when I see a Deaf person in my recommended. There’s so much going on linguistically with sign language, I love it.
The way you said “Where did you learn?” out loud combined with the sign language for that sentence is so so cute ❤
What’s wild is the fact that when my grandma went to her school for the Deaf , she wasn’t taught by teachers how to sign, she was just taught by other students. She didn’t finish out her schooling so whatever words she doesn’t know, she just finger spells so I think stuff like that is at sign gets varied so much.
The nails clacking, the way she signs is just ✨✨
I'm a waitress in the UK and know a little bit of BSL (in the environment of a restaurant), I tried my best with some deaf customers who came in, I was able to ask if they had allergies etc - I'm glad they were patient with me 😂😂 I felt bad not being quick enough, but I tried to make them feel welcome, I hope they felt that
I'm learning NGT (dutch sign language) right now, in the Netherlands we have a college that teaches people to become translaters/teacher and more. Its mixed between deaf, hard of hearing and hearing people all learning together.
that’s so coool 😳
Waar?
@@RacingPepe Hogeschool Utrecht
I'm doing a small introduction course, but I might continue on because I really want to be able to speak it
@@RacingPepe sommige open universiteiten hebben ook ngt cursussen
I have never heard a deaf person speak so clearly. I honestly could not tell you are deaf purely based on your voice. Your voice is lovely by the way 😊
My thoughts exactly. Either she lost it later in life or is faking it unfortunately. Her speech is flawless, which is nearly impossible for a deaf born person
@@Teh_Random_Canadian Everyone doesn't have a strong Deaf accent. If she got a cochlear really young and got a lot of speech therapy, this is indeed possible. EDIT: She was born hearing btw
@@Teh_Random_CanadianMaybe watch a couple of her videos before implying someone is faking? I've only seen a handful and I know she was born hearing and I believe still has a small amount of hearing in one ear.
I am hearing impaired and I learned English to communicate with teacher and peers for 2 years as a small child. I was mainstreamed into public school. No one to sign with. As I got older, I got into ASL and use it a lot . I moved from one state to another and there some little changes in signings. So, one person signing a word may not necessarily be wrong. Sometimes if there is question in a word, best to spell and then be opened that theirs is another way for signing that word. Best to learn ASL basics and get involved in deaf culture to learn more how they talk, act, and their way of doing things is different from hearing culture. Really an awesome culture!
I majored in ASL close to 15 years ago, and although the number of Deaf friends in my circle have dwindled -- as have how often I sign -- seeing your hands fly into telling the story made the hair stand up on the back of my neck and everything I learned crashed back into the forefront of my brain, as if it never left. ('^v^') I love ASL; such a poetic dance and illustrative language. Thank you for reminding me how much I miss it! Time to look around for local Deaf Socials, my hands are restless now.
You have a very clear voice! Amazing to be able to speak 2 languages at once
She's not signing ASL though, it's SEE, which is Signed Exact English. If you can write while you speak, then you can sign SEE while you speak, since it's not another language it's just a codified version of English
ASL is not a language 👍
@@Amiralynn you just said “American Sign Language is not a language.” you inherently contradicted yourself.
@@Amiralynn it’s a form of communication that you otherwise wouldn’t be able to understand if not taught??
Its a voice over I think.
i thought this was gonna be a story of "we both know sign language...but for different languages so even deaf folk can experience language barriers its just not immediately apparent because of being deaf" but i like this one too~
Yeah same, also a lot of people don’t realize that there are different types of sign language for different languages, English alone has three types
@@Alexjr611 exactly, and i don’t know if it’s the same with ASL but BSL even has regional differences in its signs!
The worst part is that asl signs are more common because of the media so I’ll sign in AusLan because I’m Australian and in Australia and they’ll try to use the asl they’ve seen in tv shows which is a completely different language. Idk the ASL alphabet so I can’t help you 😅
@@jade-cg1db too true. I’m in New Zealand and I bet even our SL is different to Aussie’s even though we’re so close
Yes, I thought she was going to say that the worker spoke Spanish or another language lol. 😅
Not everyone knows a deaf person to learn from. I’m wondering how to learn from a deaf person when you can’t communicate with them because you don’t know ASL.
It’s really great that she had taken the time to start learning ASL.
We live in an area with a lot of deaf people because there is a college for the deaf in the area. My daughter had to take a language in college, but they wouldn’t even give her language credit if she took ASL at a different college. 😢
I love how you're fluent in sign language because you have really bad hearing but that you still can talk but I still don't understand sign language if you talk that fast with it T^T (I'm trying to learn sign language on my own since no one want to learn with me)
Her nails are so satisfying when she does sign language
I love love love your content! I also love when you sign it's so beautiful and when your nails click together as you signing is just so weirdly satisfying for me that's a definite sound I will never take for granted as a hearing person❤️ Much love 🤟
Thank you so much!🤟💖
Is 44 to old to learn ASL? My hearing is really bad. I have to go for hearing aid testing which they already said I need.
@@summerbelleflowers8836 Generally for all things in life; it's never too late to learn. And if you feel like this would enrich your life and be a good tool for you, go for it. :)
@@DieKleineMimose Thank you…
@@summerbelleflowers8836 People ask themselves this too much. You learned things once, you're still the same you and you can learn again. Try, fail, try again. There is no shame in trying and failing (only in not trying), so there is no reason not to try!
My aunt (who is deaf) taught me ASL when I was younger! So thankful to have her to learn it from!
I learned asl ( American Sign Language) from three people who can’t hear and it’s quite easy when you get the hang of it!
I’m learning from a hearing person but she went to Gallaudet, has deaf people in her household, and has been signing 10+ years. She’s a really awesome teacher.
CODAs (Children of Deaf Adults) and other hearing folks who grew up in the deaf community are great intersections of both cultures.
I went to RIT (the other big deaf college) and some CODA friends introduced me to the community and taught me my first signs.
So anyway, long winded way to say go you and it's a very valid way to start learning.
yeah, if you can share a language before learning ASL it'll be a lot easier to learn.
If someone who doesn't speak your native tongue came to a class to teach a language you don't know it'd be a very slow process.
first thing i learned bout the sing language of my region is that hearing ppl are simply not allowed to teach it. i’m sure some do anyways but i’m glad that the course i chose was 100% managed by the deaf community and the interpreters were very well familiarized with such
the class i took was taught by a hearing man, but he is fluent and an interpreter. also has a lot of deaf friends and connections.
I mean it’s good that she tried. And yes ur right. Most of the time hearing people butcher signs but not always. My ASL teacher teaches deaf and hearing kids. She says she is a deaf person in hearing persons body, if that makes sense.
I get this! It’s just kind of equating me who never spoken Spanish before try and speak Spanish without getting my point across. I love when people try ASL don’t get me wrong but even when I corrected her signing (in a nice way) by showing her the right signs for vanilla and chocolate, she didn’t bother to correct them. It’s one thing to learn a language and it’s another thing to learn how to get people to understand the language you’re using if that makes sense. 💖
@@L1zHarris maybe it's possible she just couldn't see the difference between what you were signing and what she was? Like maybe the difference seemed subtle to her even though to you it's a clear difference. Like having an accent.
@@L1zHarris It makes perfect sense. Thank you for clarifying. 🤟🏼
@@L1zHarrisid you know asl is approx 205 years old? And is more closely related to French sign-language than English? I wonder if the server was expressing an English language sign.
My name is Megan I am a preschool teacher. I'm hearing and I teach one year Olds sign language everyday