do you think they wanna make the community wait longer than Robert Nicholas Christian Topala (Robtop/RobtopGames) in making 2.2 (update for Geometry Dash)
I think the real issue getting it out the door isn’t them adding too much content, but rather the playtesting. Let me explain. Hollow knight takes between 50 and 100 hours to fully complete/ get every achievement. Silksong aims to be just as long if not longer. Because the game has loads of content, playtesters have to spend hours to get through just the main game, while searching for bugs, meaning they have to play entire sections over and over to make sure it is SPOTLESS and free of bugs or glitches. Thats just my theory though.
I don’t agree, “”playtesting”” has been the reason people say since 2019, I’m not joking. I was there, and people said playtesting is why it wouldn’t be out until 2020. It’s been four years people, playtesting is not the reason for the dev length. It’s just a big game folks
I think ppl forget how hard it is to make a game, especially one so art-heavy like Silk Song. As a small developer myself and the artist of my team, it is not easy to make game art let alone for such a big game like Silk Song. I praise them if they release this year because I still think 5 years is not long enough to do all that art by one person, I mean Ari is one guy. Hopefully you're right I am to excited to play this incoming masterpiece :D
They are also likely adding many different things than they did in HK, which would realistically add more time [specially since the game will be bigger] since they do not have as much experience with the new things they add, that they will also need to refine. People also sometimes forget that expectations are relatively high for Silksong, so they will want to spend more time anyways.
I don't think people forget how hard it is to make a game. They don't understand how hard it is in the first place. The amount of oversimplifying that goes on in a lot of gaming communities is crazy. I don't even know the full extent of how hard it is to make a game. I do know it's way harder than it looks though. Not to say I'm blaming gamers because most gamers have never made a game so they have no way of knowing
People act like Silksong is taking forever, but if you really think about the scope and dev team it’s honestly miraculous how much they’ve been able to supposedly get done. I think the problem with Silksong is it was announced wayyyy too early. A lot of people don’t really understand how much time these big projects take and now Team Cherry has basically got this huge community of expectations to make the best game they can but also get it out to the public in a timely manner
How do you know how much they've done. Because the only thing we got is overanalysis of trailers and that one article in 2020/21. This isn't even drip feed, this is just straight pathetic marketing. I won't harass them, but at this point I've actually truly lost all hype and expectation for the game. It's incredibly frustrating how we don't get as much as like a fucking bench sprite a month or something.
@@fel524 I mean, they were planning for quite a bit to release in early half of 2023 which means that they had enough finished content at one point to release the game, they just wanted to keep working on it. I’m not gonna defend team cherry till the ends of the earth but if there is something they did do right, from all the information and pieces we’ve got it seems like the development of silksong has went very well for the most part. You are right though, I guess we don’t have all the answers
It’s because they revealed it in 2019, acted like it would come really soon and it’s 5 years later and we don’t even have a date. We’ve only got like one more trailer in that time and a magazine article
Ehh I can understand them not wanting to make promises they can't keep. If they only thing they can say is, "we're still working on it", then there's not much point, because that's implied
@@Abby-ug4xc Bro, you have no idea how happier the Team Cherry Community would be a simple "We're still working on it" every 3 months or so... It seems small and basically nothing, but it's *pretty* useful when we can literally could all the official announcements they made from the game's first trailer to today in our fingers.
@@cacovonluca I've been a HK fan since 2020 so I know... but as someone who sometimes takes a long time to create things, I understand where they're coming from too. And I don't believe fans are owed anything (that they haven't paid for at least) I'm super hyped for SS but there are soooo many other great games out there now and coming out soon that it isn't something I put too much energy into
@@Abby-ug4xc Yeah, i know but the thing is, i myself started playing Hollow Knight on 2019 iirc, and i just discovered about Silksong in 2021, i was super hyped But... Man... The news were so scarse (i don't know if that word exists in english sorry, but like... "small" or "sparse"..?)... And from there till today, i've found myself too playing many other games. Minecraft, Terraria, My Singing Monsters, Subnautica, Dead Cells, Plants vs Zombies 1, Garden Warfare 2, and many others... But the thing is, sometimes i just see myself playing other games in hopes of forgeting about Silksong, and that's the problem. If every like... Season of the year or 4 months or even 6 months we just received a simple "Dialogues are done." or "All sprites completed" or even "Playtesting..."... But not even that... They can take as much time as they want with Silksong, but just a single word as "Okay" would make the community so so so much happier :'(
IMO the biggest reason for development taking so long is being completely caught up in minute details. For example website developers spending hours to pick a font. I feel as though TC and their team is are conflicted over the most minute storyline/gameplay details
This is my main concern, its the feature creep and or perfectionist mindset, while polish is good, there is a certain point when writing say, a story, you need to just put the pen down and finish it. Never ending projects dont look good in portfolios, and for games it really might not add all that much to micromanage to such an extent. The game will never be completely flawless no matter how much more minute reworking they put in delaying the game, sometimes those things give a product charm, too.
I think Silksong isn't at all taking an unusual amount of time to release, it only feels like that because of the sparse amount of communication from the devs, combined with the comparative amount of info in 2019 specifically.
I agree with what you are saying about the communication and a lot of the other stuff, but I wanted to point out a couple things: 1. The last communication from TC (Leth), was in an interview with Blue a few months after the delay was announced. He reiterated that you will hear directly from team cherry when they have news to share. 2. You said they didn't start properly working on Silksong until the trailer was out, but the trailer has like 10-12 different areas based on that meta data that was pulled from the original trailer on the presskit. In their interview that came out with the trailer in Feb 2019, they said they had been working on Silksong for well over a year, and they had a playable demo a few months after the announcement.
I agree with you. And I didn’t know about leth interview! That’s my bad. However, I don’t think any new major piece of information was provided in that interview. As for the demo, it really looked like a playtest area rather than actual level design. But yeah, even if they started in 2018, it’s pretty normal development time considering the size of the team vs the scope of the game!
I dont exactly remember where did I read it, I think from the Edge magazine reportage from 2021, but they said that Silksong development started even before Hollow Knight was released. By the time they launched the reveal trailer the game was probably close to two years of development. They maybe were not full focused on it at least until HK released, but with all the footage shown in the trailer and then what they showed in the treehouse demo, I dont think thats something they pulled out in just a couple of months, so yeah, by feb 2019 Silksong was probably two years into development
@@Wolfgang_rwthere's a 0% chance that's true. From the perspective of TC before HK released, they needed to put their all into the game. If the game didn't succeed then they'd be in big financial trouble. Coming up with ideas for silksong and expanding on them after releasing the game is different than developing silksong at the same time as HK.
@@Wolfgang_rw "Development start" could mean anything. They probably were throwing around ideas/lore concepts for a future game in their free time at that point but I highly doubt they were doing actual work, like programming or art assets at that time.
I think the biggest mistake from TC was announcing the game 5 years ago. Like if they had such a huge scope for the game, how could they announce it like that? I don’t know if they really thought it would only take them a year or two but it was a very bold move.
I think it could release in February. Remember, when Leth said the game had to be delayed, we still didn’t know how close it was to being done. Until October-November, when it was said that they were 100% play-testing it for bugs and stuff, things that happen in late game development. In February, it will have been 3-4 months since that announcement, enough time to have 100% the game multiple times. Again, I’m only saying it’s possible, not guaranteed.
Doesn't even matter who you are or what you think, it's just wild to have a CONFIRMED release window, then delay it for POLISHING and we still have no updates 7 MONTHS later. That's just crazy
I can’t wait to play as Hornet, but in my opinion, Team Cherry can take all the time they need. They put so much effort into their games, that I know they probably take a while, especially with small teams. A perfect example is the Undertale/Deltarune community, who is still is waiting for Deltarune Chapters 3 & 4. Things take time, community stays loyal, and a an absolute banger game is released, with months/years of hard work. Team Cherry will make the wait worthwhile. We just have to trust them.
and we do trust them but we also need to hear from them something anything a monthly "hey we're still working on it tweet" a dev update every 6 months to a year interviews with content creators every 6 months or a year something anything (i am not saying they need to do all of that i am saying they need to do some of that)
Sure they can take however long, but if they never say a word they shouldn't expect people to actually care when someday the game launches. The communication has been ... Appalling to say the least. It has been non-existent. They have a marketing director ffs but they still won't share even an ounce of what they're working on and the community is forced to speculate
The only problem i have is also the communication. i don't mean just the weird silence from team cherry, either. They knew they weren't gonna be ready after the Microsoft announcement. They knew it wasn't close after the nintendo treehouse. It's indicative of larger problems given that they didn't have this issue previously. Also, people are allowed to complain about what they want.
Nice vid! Underrated. Honestly my hopes about Silksong have been shot down so many times that I'm starting to get a bit skeptical that we'll get anything in February but if we do, you'll have been the first in my mind to predict it.
I love Hollow Knight, it's one of my favourite games ever and I replayed it just some days before. During my fourth playthrough I realized how much I would have liked it more if they added more details, more NPC lines as you progress on the main and side quests or if it had more towns with some more NPCs to interact with. I want Silksong to be perfect in every single detail. I don't care when it's going to release. I'm not going to forget about HK and let Silksong slide because too much time has passed since release. I'd just like Team Cherry to give some updates, from time to time, just to let us relax and confirm they are working on it. I don't want to see actual gameplay, but just some twitter lines, some screenshots or similia.
I feel like Silksong has a similar problem to Cyberpunk 2077, just from a much smaller studio and being handled very differently. Cyberpunk 2077 was announced in 2012, got hyped to the moon and back and was said to be absolutely massive. The game was delayed multiple times, and when it released, it was obvious it could have used a lot more time still. I think Team Cherry, maybe not conciously thinking of Cyberpunk, want to avoid that at all cost. They do not want to release an unfinished game that they have to fix for years down the line. The only thing CDPR did better with Cyberpunk here was communicating the delays, although, to give Credit to Team Cherry, they themselves have never officially announced a release date. I think both games got announced too early in their developement cycle, received hype that quite frankly is nearly impossible to live up to, with speculation from their communities without end, that is simply bound to leave some people disappointed, whether it be about features or a possible release date. Both games could have benefited from a later announcement. CDPR should have delayed Cyberpunk further and Team Cherry should maybe communicate a little more.
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8:41 Silksong’s release date/ release date trailer will shadow drop but not the game itself. I am guessing it will take 3 weeks or even more from when the release date gets revealed to when the game comes out. Hollow knight released 2 weeks after the release date shadow drop from Feb 10 to Feb 24. Silksong will hopefully come out in early March from a Mid February shadow drop release date. If not, 2025 is very likely.
I think a February release date is 100% possible. Hollow Knight dropped the game 2 days after revealing the release date. Not only do I think they will do this, I think that the less time between the release date announcement and the release date, the better. Considering the Xbox fiasco, setting a release date months out will only worry the community, while also leading to unrest leading up to it. I think a 2 week or less gap between release date announcement and release date is the way to go. And considering that the game is probably 99.9% done, I'm sure February is completely possible. Who knows. Maybe they drop it Feb 24th, Hollow Knight's release date. 35 days out is still a decent chunk of time.
@@Primacon yeah. Obviously there's nothing holding them to that, but on the other hand, I don't see any reason for them not to say something if they were close to release, unless they were planning on matching the release dates. And I'm about 99.999% certain they're close to release
i really don't even care how long it takes, it could take another 5 years and id still buy day one and immediately put 100 hours in. i just want it to be good and hopefully even bigger than hk
When you realize they HAD to announce it because people donated specifically to be able to play as Hornet and they would get a bad reputation if they said "mmm nope it doesn't really work thanks for $$$ though" I feel bad for them. They were forced into a bad position by chance and now they're deep in, making the most anticipated game literally ever and have been too silent to start speaking. Community went complete nuts over the metadata, which was literally a few *words* for things in silksong that we can't be 100% sure are accurate. If they started blogging about their progress, the internet would go crazier than geometry dash 2.2 did
If you've ever seen the spritesheets for Hollow Knight, that puts in to perspective how long it takes for a game to be made. There are hundreds of sprites for just the player character. Then there's animations for every single boss and enemy (of which there are hundreds of sprites). Then there's the background art and props and items, the list goes on. All of this has to be done by one person
Silksong and Elden Ring DLC are in the same boat. Take all the time they need cause I have total faith they will both be some of the best video game experiences of my life
Honestly, they may have not talked themselves, but they pulled out two trailers, playable demo, full detailed edge magazine reportage in 2021, recent confirmation of launch in all platforms… I mean, do you really need them directly tell you that theyre working on it? Man, I think its more than obvious. They just dont wanna overhype people and focus on development. Also, if they were tweeting regularly you would have get used to it over the years, but with the silence strategy, the next time we see a Team Cherry tweet we will all know that it’s finally coming out.
@@thenightwatchman1598 not clear communication? A lot of gameplays been shown and all platforms have been confirmed officially. Their intentions? Hmm idk man, maybe, finishing the game and releasing it? Lmao.
While I won't ever hate on TC, their communication is beyond awful. They went from providing regular updates, releasing YT videos etc to being absolutely radio silent for 4 years. Even when they showed the trailer, their never said anything- about game's current state, about release window- nothing. "Here's your trailer", um thanks? What about the game tho? Demo? Never released to the public. YT channel? Abandoned. Website? Abandoned. Twitter? Only used to retweet merch. Their PR guy said "ya it's not coming out" mere month before the deadline and that was the only update for an entire year. I am not kidding. You know, writing a tweet takes like 2 minutes... at this point even knowing which year the game drops would be nice. Not month. Year.
I feel like something must have happened. Did developers walk out of the project? Creative differences? Are they constantly fighting xbox/Microsoft from changing certain things in the game that the higher ups don't like?
Worries about the radio silence are understandable, a lot of games that go through developement hell are often ones where suddenly theres no presence from the developers at all. They dont really need an extensive pr team, you could literally just have one of the devs casually post something every couple of weeks or month. Lots of indie devs do that, Selaco, Gloomwood, Doubleshake come to mind for very easy going showings of developement, but more importantly activity, that eases worries of problems.
i had suspicions that they are a couple a sadistic assholes long before silksong was announced. for example: that pale flower sidequest was horrendously unfair and brutal, and they went out of your way to BAR you from using the dreamnail to "outsmart" it by teleporting (how using the dream nail breaks the flower makes no sense.). part of the fun of a game is finding ingenious exploits and shortcuts. but team cherry were hell bent on preventing you from playing it in any other way than how they intended and honestly, thats quite arrogant game design that unjustly punished a players creativity simply because they want you to suffer through the difficulty curve without a guide.
its been 5 years, hollow knight took five year so hey we can hope, thought im not rushing the developers in the slighest ill wait for as long as it needs.
I feel like the game may have another half life 3 situation at this rate, if it is true that one of the devs left aside from the PR guy going inactive, and that TC cut off all ties with xbox on the 2024 game release list, it just means something wrong happened, and I can only hope TC could say something about this, even if it gets canceled just let people know if your alive and well.
People seem to forget hollow knight took them 4 years and we in the 4th year for silk song. I think a release date is coming soon. I would tip on christmas this year.
Even Geometry Dash 2.2 came out before Silksong which is crazy to me. We waited like 7 years for that update, and I thought I'd never come out. I have high hopes that Silksong will release at some point, I'll wait for it that's for sure. Great video btw.
People are neglecting the crunch factor. They made the original in 3 years, probably crunched their asses off. It made a ridiculous amount of money, which means one of two things happened: 1. No more crunch as the devs no longer need it to be living the dream 2. A lot more staff got hired to take the load off the original devs Given the delay, safe to assume it was the first. Given that Silksong is supposedly longer, it SHOULD take longer to make, especially with less hours spent per day.
4:00 hold on not so fast, its clear as day why team cherry is avoiding commubnication, they dont wanna build even MORE hype, overhype of a game is a death sentence, and keeping our expectations unclear is literally the best move they could do, no matter how good a product may be if hype goes beyound a threshold theres no way developers of any size can meet. its a incredibly smart move.
@@thenightwatchman1598 what do you mean by that? its a fact that a bunch of games die by overhype, look at cyberpunk, no man's sky and fucking cubeworld, or hte whole 1.17-1.19 minecraft update. and team cherry arent the only ones doign this. hades team, blasphemous 2 and many others did a mostly no hype launch, cause hype in a loyal fandom is dangerous as is. like brother in christ we have a dedicated channel(@dailysilksongnews) just to share news on the game, we are fanatical.
A bit late but considering Hollow Knight, had a 3 year development time (and considering they wanted the dlcs as part of the base game) that could have taken an extra 2 or three years. Compare that to Silksong which is bigger than Hollow Knight and will have everything in it (we aren’t going to be getting half of the game cut out because of budget issues) I believe it might be 1-2 years more before the actual game releases
Recently releases I waited 10 years for Pikmin 4 and 20 years for TTYD remake/RPG PM I think 5ish years for Silksong isn't too bad Always been annoyed how people get Indie devs a hard time
The silence is tough, but they've earned their goodwill. Having said that, if I were Team Cherry, I would want to release before Crowsworn does no matter what.
Crazy how people want this game so fast, you can count the devs on a fucking hand. They are probably overworking their assess off because all the pressure, chill.
I guess nothing will happen in February 2024. Not even an info or anything. Oh wait maybe they'll retweet a new merch thing. I'll keep waiting and i'll keep hating Team Cherry for their information politics.
Something that just makes me sad is that since the game got announced I ended up in hospital twice and am on a downword spiral when it comes to health. The scariest scenario is that I will die before silksong will come out. And this is like real worry I have not a meme or anything. It’s just sad to have no hope of ever playing the game.
You're wrong saying there was a miscommunication between TC and Xbox. Read Leth's tweet again, he explicitly says they planned to release in the first half of 2023, confirming Xbox's statements. Just because it got delayed doesn't mean that wasn't the intended release window
0:00 sorry but I cant take that first statement when half life 2 fans have been waiting on the worst cliffhanger ever waiting for a half life 3 for 20 years. The last line ever heard in the half life series is "Don't leave me..." 😥
Silksong hasnt been taking like a ridiculous amount of time for what people are saying,the main issue is that we just dont get news about it!we know its going to be a lot bigger than hk,so id be surprised if its even going to come out this year
Honestly after talking to the Hollow knight community on reddit, I (even as a Hollow Knight fan myself) would rather they give a release date of 2024, before saying on December 31st say its coming 2025, just so I can watch them suffer for their sins (spamming Nintendo live, being hostile to anyone asking for help, attacking anyone that wants a balance change, attacking people for making lore inaccurate headcanons, attacking other games for not being enough like/too similar to Hollow Knight etc I could go on). They deserve to suffer, and even if I have to as well, they have to pay for their sins.
Its going to be a launch day title for the new Nintendo console, team cherry said it in thier last RUclips video. So whatever day the console launches, is the day.
When did they say that? If that were the case then I feel that would be common knowledge by now, because this is literally the first I've ever heard of it and I was there when everyone was dissecting that video. All I remember them saying was that it would come out on PC and Switch, and other consoles if they could work a deal out for them, which they did (Xbox and Playstation).
Gamers: hype culture is terrible and I hate rushed games Also gamers: it’s terrible I’ve lost all my hype for this game and I have to wait a few more years for it
How about you people play other games? Have you heard of Celeste? Or terraria? Have you completed Minecraft? There’s millions of games to play waiting for silksong, or maybe you could go outside more, go to the gym, touch some grass, and forget silksong wasn’t out. After all that, silksong will be released before you know it.
Haha yeah I agree, many good games out there. And metroidvania genre has been going crazy lately. Although, nothing, not even touching grass, can scratch the itch that silksong can 😉
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9:32 not so fast
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@@Primacon DailySilksongNews will announce the game's release date before its even revealed!
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"and i took that personally"
do you think they wanna make the community wait longer than Robert Nicholas Christian Topala (Robtop/RobtopGames)
in making 2.2 (update for Geometry Dash)
I think the real issue getting it out the door isn’t them adding too much content, but rather the playtesting. Let me explain. Hollow knight takes between 50 and 100 hours to fully complete/ get every achievement. Silksong aims to be just as long if not longer. Because the game has loads of content, playtesters have to spend hours to get through just the main game, while searching for bugs, meaning they have to play entire sections over and over to make sure it is SPOTLESS and free of bugs or glitches. Thats just my theory though.
I don’t agree, “”playtesting”” has been the reason people say since 2019, I’m not joking. I was there, and people said playtesting is why it wouldn’t be out until 2020. It’s been four years people, playtesting is not the reason for the dev length.
It’s just a big game folks
@@esoopthederp7672Apparently its almost thrice the size of hk
@@stargazer137if that’s true, then I’m not expecting it out this year, or the next. Gods speed to the devs
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@@nightinstarlight oh no
I think ppl forget how hard it is to make a game, especially one so art-heavy like Silk Song. As a small developer myself and the artist of my team, it is not easy to make game art let alone for such a big game like Silk Song. I praise them if they release this year because I still think 5 years is not long enough to do all that art by one person, I mean Ari is one guy. Hopefully you're right I am to excited to play this incoming masterpiece :D
Exactly! Dev time for silksong is pretty normal all things considered
They are also likely adding many different things than they did in HK, which would realistically add more time [specially since the game will be bigger] since they do not have as much experience with the new things they add, that they will also need to refine. People also sometimes forget that expectations are relatively high for Silksong, so they will want to spend more time anyways.
not mad about the time its taking, mad about lack of communication
I don't think people forget how hard it is to make a game. They don't understand how hard it is in the first place. The amount of oversimplifying that goes on in a lot of gaming communities is crazy. I don't even know the full extent of how hard it is to make a game. I do know it's way harder than it looks though. Not to say I'm blaming gamers because most gamers have never made a game so they have no way of knowing
I understand that it’ll take a while to finish, I just wish that we could at least know the work progress for the game
People act like Silksong is taking forever, but if you really think about the scope and dev team it’s honestly miraculous how much they’ve been able to supposedly get done. I think the problem with Silksong is it was announced wayyyy too early. A lot of people don’t really understand how much time these big projects take and now Team Cherry has basically got this huge community of expectations to make the best game they can but also get it out to the public in a timely manner
How do you know how much they've done. Because the only thing we got is overanalysis of trailers and that one article in 2020/21. This isn't even drip feed, this is just straight pathetic marketing. I won't harass them, but at this point I've actually truly lost all hype and expectation for the game. It's incredibly frustrating how we don't get as much as like a fucking bench sprite a month or something.
@@fel524 I mean, they were planning for quite a bit to release in early half of 2023 which means that they had enough finished content at one point to release the game, they just wanted to keep working on it. I’m not gonna defend team cherry till the ends of the earth but if there is something they did do right, from all the information and pieces we’ve got it seems like the development of silksong has went very well for the most part. You are right though, I guess we don’t have all the answers
It’s because they revealed it in 2019, acted like it would come really soon and it’s 5 years later and we don’t even have a date. We’ve only got like one more trailer in that time and a magazine article
Yeah, basically the same thing as with Hytale.
Elden Ring started development at the same time as Silksong.
I always say this in every Silksong video i watch. I just hope Team Cherry is more *communicative* in their future projects.
Exactly!! It doesn’t matter how long the game development takes, it’s the communication that ticks people off
Ehh I can understand them not wanting to make promises they can't keep. If they only thing they can say is, "we're still working on it", then there's not much point, because that's implied
@@Abby-ug4xc Bro, you have no idea how happier the Team Cherry Community would be a simple "We're still working on it" every 3 months or so...
It seems small and basically nothing, but it's *pretty* useful when we can literally could all the official announcements they made from the game's first trailer to today in our fingers.
@@cacovonluca I've been a HK fan since 2020 so I know... but as someone who sometimes takes a long time to create things, I understand where they're coming from too. And I don't believe fans are owed anything (that they haven't paid for at least)
I'm super hyped for SS but there are soooo many other great games out there now and coming out soon that it isn't something I put too much energy into
@@Abby-ug4xc Yeah, i know but the thing is, i myself started playing Hollow Knight on 2019 iirc, and i just discovered about Silksong in 2021, i was super hyped
But... Man... The news were so scarse (i don't know if that word exists in english sorry, but like... "small" or "sparse"..?)... And from there till today, i've found myself too playing many other games.
Minecraft, Terraria, My Singing Monsters, Subnautica, Dead Cells, Plants vs Zombies 1, Garden Warfare 2, and many others...
But the thing is, sometimes i just see myself playing other games in hopes of forgeting about Silksong, and that's the problem. If every like... Season of the year or 4 months or even 6 months we just received a simple "Dialogues are done." or "All sprites completed" or even "Playtesting..."... But not even that...
They can take as much time as they want with Silksong, but just a single word as "Okay" would make the community so so so much happier :'(
IMO the biggest reason for development taking so long is being completely caught up in minute details. For example website developers spending hours to pick a font. I feel as though TC and their team is are conflicted over the most minute storyline/gameplay details
This is my main concern, its the feature creep and or perfectionist mindset, while polish is good, there is a certain point when writing say, a story, you need to just put the pen down and finish it. Never ending projects dont look good in portfolios, and for games it really might not add all that much to micromanage to such an extent. The game will never be completely flawless no matter how much more minute reworking they put in delaying the game, sometimes those things give a product charm, too.
cant wait to come back to this in february and come in here with a snarky "this didnt age well" comment (im coping)
Can’t wait to put on my clown makeup
Its your moment bro
I think Silksong isn't at all taking an unusual amount of time to release, it only feels like that because of the sparse amount of communication from the devs, combined with the comparative amount of info in 2019 specifically.
100% agreed
I agree with what you are saying about the communication and a lot of the other stuff, but I wanted to point out a couple things:
1. The last communication from TC (Leth), was in an interview with Blue a few months after the delay was announced. He reiterated that you will hear directly from team cherry when they have news to share.
2. You said they didn't start properly working on Silksong until the trailer was out, but the trailer has like 10-12 different areas based on that meta data that was pulled from the original trailer on the presskit. In their interview that came out with the trailer in Feb 2019, they said they had been working on Silksong for well over a year, and they had a playable demo a few months after the announcement.
I agree with you. And I didn’t know about leth interview! That’s my bad. However, I don’t think any new major piece of information was provided in that interview.
As for the demo, it really looked like a playtest area rather than actual level design. But yeah, even if they started in 2018, it’s pretty normal development time considering the size of the team vs the scope of the game!
I dont exactly remember where did I read it, I think from the Edge magazine reportage from 2021, but they said that Silksong development started even before Hollow Knight was released. By the time they launched the reveal trailer the game was probably close to two years of development. They maybe were not full focused on it at least until HK released, but with all the footage shown in the trailer and then what they showed in the treehouse demo, I dont think thats something they pulled out in just a couple of months, so yeah, by feb 2019 Silksong was probably two years into development
@@Wolfgang_rwthere's a 0% chance that's true. From the perspective of TC before HK released, they needed to put their all into the game. If the game didn't succeed then they'd be in big financial trouble. Coming up with ideas for silksong and expanding on them after releasing the game is different than developing silksong at the same time as HK.
@@Wolfgang_rw "Development start" could mean anything. They probably were throwing around ideas/lore concepts for a future game in their free time at that point but I highly doubt they were doing actual work, like programming or art assets at that time.
I think the biggest mistake from TC was announcing the game 5 years ago. Like if they had such a huge scope for the game, how could they announce it like that? I don’t know if they really thought it would only take them a year or two but it was a very bold move.
Someone brought up a good point that, they had to annouce it as the hornet dlc was part of the kickstarter campaign
I hate it when developers announce games that won't come out until 2+ years, WAIT THEN
I think it could release in February. Remember, when Leth said the game had to be delayed, we still didn’t know how close it was to being done. Until October-November, when it was said that they were 100% play-testing it for bugs and stuff, things that happen in late game development. In February, it will have been 3-4 months since that announcement, enough time to have 100% the game multiple times.
Again, I’m only saying it’s possible, not guaranteed.
I really hope you’re right!!!
This is heavy cope at this point
@@Rat30257 the cope shall never end
I'll take any and all copium I can get
So how'd that end up for you?
Nice Silksong vid! Here before the algorithm blows it up. Really hope we get a February update/announcement!
Oh thank you! Happy to hear you liked the video :) Fingers crossed for February!
Early 2024 guys I swear
I saw it in my dream, promise
February-march would make most sense. Hollow knight was a 2 year project and Team Cherry is bigger so...
End of 2024
but yes. this needs to be said. their piss poor communication is a justifiable criticism.
Silksong: first game to sell 0 copies (it is never coming out)
My dad actually works at Team Cherry and he told me it is releasing tomorrow
😂😂😂😂
If I can wait 6 years for GD 2.2 come out. I can wait longer for Silk Song to come out.
This is a good mindset now I’m not so worried about silksong cause it is definitely gonna be bigger
Doesn't even matter who you are or what you think, it's just wild to have a CONFIRMED release window, then delay it for POLISHING and we still have no updates 7 MONTHS later. That's just crazy
More than the game, I'm hyped for TC explaining the radio silence.
I can’t wait to play as Hornet, but in my opinion, Team Cherry can take all the time they need. They put so much effort into their games, that I know they probably take a while, especially with small teams.
A perfect example is the Undertale/Deltarune community, who is still is waiting for Deltarune Chapters 3 & 4.
Things take time, community stays loyal, and a an absolute banger game is released, with months/years of hard work.
Team Cherry will make the wait worthwhile. We just have to trust them.
I 100% agree with you
and we do trust them
but we also need to hear from them something anything a monthly "hey we're still working on it tweet" a dev update every 6 months to a year interviews with content creators every 6 months or a year something anything (i am not saying they need to do all of that i am saying they need to do some of that)
Sure they can take however long, but if they never say a word they shouldn't expect people to actually care when someday the game launches. The communication has been ... Appalling to say the least. It has been non-existent. They have a marketing director ffs but they still won't share even an ounce of what they're working on and the community is forced to speculate
@@dexnacorn7807we absolutely do not need that
@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070 care to elaborate?
The only problem i have is also the communication. i don't mean just the weird silence from team cherry, either. They knew they weren't gonna be ready after the Microsoft announcement. They knew it wasn't close after the nintendo treehouse. It's indicative of larger problems given that they didn't have this issue previously.
Also, people are allowed to complain about what they want.
i hope we get a update soon like yeah february and then comes out in june
That’s what I’m hoping for !
@@Primacon prople would probably mix hornet and the grimace shake tho
Nice vid! Underrated. Honestly my hopes about Silksong have been shot down so many times that I'm starting to get a bit skeptical that we'll get anything in February but if we do, you'll have been the first in my mind to predict it.
Glad you like the video! If we hear nothing about silksong in February then I’m getting my clown makeup ready 🤡
I love Hollow Knight, it's one of my favourite games ever and I replayed it just some days before.
During my fourth playthrough I realized how much I would have liked it more if they added more details, more NPC lines as you progress on the main and side quests or if it had more towns with some more NPCs to interact with.
I want Silksong to be perfect in every single detail. I don't care when it's going to release. I'm not going to forget about HK and let Silksong slide because too much time has passed since release.
I'd just like Team Cherry to give some updates, from time to time, just to let us relax and confirm they are working on it.
I don't want to see actual gameplay, but just some twitter lines, some screenshots or similia.
I’m so excited for the fact that there will be way more towns in silksong than hollow knight
I feel like Silksong has a similar problem to Cyberpunk 2077, just from a much smaller studio and being handled very differently. Cyberpunk 2077 was announced in 2012, got hyped to the moon and back and was said to be absolutely massive. The game was delayed multiple times, and when it released, it was obvious it could have used a lot more time still. I think Team Cherry, maybe not conciously thinking of Cyberpunk, want to avoid that at all cost. They do not want to release an unfinished game that they have to fix for years down the line. The only thing CDPR did better with Cyberpunk here was communicating the delays, although, to give Credit to Team Cherry, they themselves have never officially announced a release date. I think both games got announced too early in their developement cycle, received hype that quite frankly is nearly impossible to live up to, with speculation from their communities without end, that is simply bound to leave some people disappointed, whether it be about features or a possible release date. Both games could have benefited from a later announcement. CDPR should have delayed Cyberpunk further and Team Cherry should maybe communicate a little more.
Let’s see how much I regret my prediction in a month. Anyways, subscribe if you enjoyed the video it really helps! ❤
Even if silksong comes out this year the fandom will pretend it didn't release 😂 other level of gaslighting
LMAOOOOOOOO
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we are upset for the lack of comunication
Exactly!
silksong fans are so lost that we watch videos that we already know everything that it says and still enjoy it
I’m happy you enjoyed it 🫡
8:41 Silksong’s release date/ release date trailer will shadow drop but not the game itself. I am guessing it will take 3 weeks or even more from when the release date gets revealed to when the game comes out. Hollow knight released 2 weeks after the release date shadow drop from Feb 10 to Feb 24. Silksong will hopefully come out in early March from a Mid February shadow drop release date. If not, 2025 is very likely.
That’s a very good point you make!! Damn, don’t give me hope like that 😭
We said 2023 was very likely once
@@thegodseeker6035 To be fair Xbox thought it was pretty likely too. They were told as much by Team Cherry themselves.
Maybe the real silksong was the friends we made along the way (I’m not upset at how long it’s taking)
You know nothing of our pain. - signed the elder scrolls community waiting 12 years.
Chess fans have waited longer
@@GardenVarietea thousands of years
I think a February release date is 100% possible. Hollow Knight dropped the game 2 days after revealing the release date. Not only do I think they will do this, I think that the less time between the release date announcement and the release date, the better. Considering the Xbox fiasco, setting a release date months out will only worry the community, while also leading to unrest leading up to it. I think a 2 week or less gap between release date announcement and release date is the way to go. And considering that the game is probably 99.9% done, I'm sure February is completely possible. Who knows. Maybe they drop it Feb 24th, Hollow Knight's release date. 35 days out is still a decent chunk of time.
That means we are getting close to a month left, which means, news could be coming very very soon!
@@Primacon yeah. Obviously there's nothing holding them to that, but on the other hand, I don't see any reason for them not to say something if they were close to release, unless they were planning on matching the release dates. And I'm about 99.999% certain they're close to release
i really don't even care how long it takes, it could take another 5 years and id still buy day one and immediately put 100 hours in. i just want it to be good and hopefully even bigger than hk
Yup same, I don't care when it comes out, I just want it to be good!
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I can't believe you don't have like a million subscribers. Great video!
Aww thank you!!
Truly, the fact that Team Cherry has gone radio silent for so much of the development is the worst thing by far.
They waited till 2024 cuz they didn't want to lose game of the year to TOTK
This would be a good year to launch as last year was JAMPACKED and next year is gta6
@@Primacon I think gta6 is coming out in 2189 but agreed
Wrong, TC didn't release silksong in 2023 to give every other game a chance of winning GOTY
@@superjade2414 We winning game of all time with this one🗣🔥
@@superjade2414 such generosity 😭
I 100% believe that there will be silksong new in February I don’t care what anyone is saying
REAL
Oof
Well Ig they’re working on it
I think the issue is that they had to announce it because of Kickstarter but it wasn't really ready then covid hit delaying it.
That’s actually a good point that I never thought about, that they had to announce it because it was a kickstarter goal
@Primacon That said I do still kinda wish they communicated more even if it was yearly post saying they're alive
When you realize they HAD to announce it because people donated specifically to be able to play as Hornet and they would get a bad reputation if they said "mmm nope it doesn't really work thanks for $$$ though"
I feel bad for them. They were forced into a bad position by chance and now they're deep in, making the most anticipated game literally ever and have been too silent to start speaking. Community went complete nuts over the metadata, which was literally a few *words* for things in silksong that we can't be 100% sure are accurate. If they started blogging about their progress, the internet would go crazier than geometry dash 2.2 did
A song of ice and fire fans: hold my beer
TBH I’m glad that at least geometry dash 2.2 has released more than half a decade later
If it takes longer I will be laughing
Good video. I agree with your points and look forward to february.
Thank you!
@@Primacon yup! hoping to see a potential release date then!
its so funny how similar this is for the fnf community for the v slice update lmao
This feels very familiar...
Is the Silksong "For sure" announcement in the room with us right now?
At this point then silksong release we all will be playing it with our grandchildren
If you've ever seen the spritesheets for Hollow Knight, that puts in to perspective how long it takes for a game to be made. There are hundreds of sprites for just the player character. Then there's animations for every single boss and enemy (of which there are hundreds of sprites). Then there's the background art and props and items, the list goes on. All of this has to be done by one person
What do you mean Silksong it came out a month ago where waiting on journey of zote
I’m personally waiting for Zote Dating Simulator
You have given me hope. When and if my hope is shattered, I will blame you.
Silksong and Elden Ring DLC are in the same boat. Take all the time they need cause I have total faith they will both be some of the best video game experiences of my life
playing hollow knight while i play this vieo in the background
Honestly, they may have not talked themselves, but they pulled out two trailers, playable demo, full detailed edge magazine reportage in 2021, recent confirmation of launch in all platforms… I mean, do you really need them directly tell you that theyre working on it? Man, I think its more than obvious. They just dont wanna overhype people and focus on development. Also, if they were tweeting regularly you would have get used to it over the years, but with the silence strategy, the next time we see a Team Cherry tweet we will all know that it’s finally coming out.
your missing the fact that without a clear communication of their intentions. everything you say in their defence is PURE BASELESS SPECULATION!
@@thenightwatchman1598 not clear communication? A lot of gameplays been shown and all platforms have been confirmed officially. Their intentions? Hmm idk man, maybe, finishing the game and releasing it? Lmao.
@@Wolfgang_rw those release dates are fake! stop trolling!
@@thenightwatchman1598 which ones? Nobody talked about a release date, are u high or something?😂😂
While I won't ever hate on TC, their communication is beyond awful. They went from providing regular updates, releasing YT videos etc to being absolutely radio silent for 4 years. Even when they showed the trailer, their never said anything- about game's current state, about release window- nothing. "Here's your trailer", um thanks? What about the game tho?
Demo? Never released to the public. YT channel? Abandoned. Website? Abandoned. Twitter? Only used to retweet merch.
Their PR guy said "ya it's not coming out" mere month before the deadline and that was the only update for an entire year. I am not kidding.
You know, writing a tweet takes like 2 minutes... at this point even knowing which year the game drops would be nice. Not month. Year.
I feel like something must have happened. Did developers walk out of the project? Creative differences? Are they constantly fighting xbox/Microsoft from changing certain things in the game that the higher ups don't like?
Worries about the radio silence are understandable, a lot of games that go through developement hell are often ones where suddenly theres no presence from the developers at all. They dont really need an extensive pr team, you could literally just have one of the devs casually post something every couple of weeks or month. Lots of indie devs do that, Selaco, Gloomwood, Doubleshake come to mind for very easy going showings of developement, but more importantly activity, that eases worries of problems.
My theory was they didn't want to challenge the big titles like tears of the kingdom in 2023
Geometry Dash community when waiting for 2.2: Pathetic.
“Rub off the wrong way” is the funniest thing I’ve heard in a while
"...and sisters" made me smile ⌃͜⌃
Hehe 😉
Back in the old days when we had cope to hope. Now we have nothing
Finally someone reasonable! Im still trying to hurry up and finish Hollow knight!!! TwT
At this point I'm convinced that metroid prime 4 and Elder scrolls 6, followed by the heat death of the universe will happen before Silksong.
I mean, I just completely forgot silksong existed, there is absolutely no point about thinking about such things, I just shrug and get on with my day.
i had suspicions that they are a couple a sadistic assholes long before silksong was announced. for example: that pale flower sidequest was horrendously unfair and brutal, and they went out of your way to BAR you from using the dreamnail to "outsmart" it by teleporting (how using the dream nail breaks the flower makes no sense.). part of the fun of a game is finding ingenious exploits and shortcuts. but team cherry were hell bent on preventing you from playing it in any other way than how they intended and honestly, thats quite arrogant game design that unjustly punished a players creativity simply because they want you to suffer through the difficulty curve without a guide.
its been 5 years, hollow knight took five year so hey we can hope, thought im not rushing the developers in the slighest ill wait for as long as it needs.
I feel like the game may have another half life 3 situation at this rate, if it is true that one of the devs left aside from the PR guy going inactive, and that TC cut off all ties with xbox on the 2024 game release list, it just means something wrong happened, and I can only hope TC could say something about this, even if it gets canceled just let people know if your alive and well.
People seem to forget hollow knight took them 4 years and we in the 4th year for silk song. I think a release date is coming soon. I would tip on christmas this year.
Even Geometry Dash 2.2 came out before Silksong which is crazy to me. We waited like 7 years for that update, and I thought I'd never come out. I have high hopes that Silksong will release at some point, I'll wait for it that's for sure.
Great video btw.
People are neglecting the crunch factor. They made the original in 3 years, probably crunched their asses off.
It made a ridiculous amount of money, which means one of two things happened:
1. No more crunch as the devs no longer need it to be living the dream
2. A lot more staff got hired to take the load off the original devs
Given the delay, safe to assume it was the first.
Given that Silksong is supposedly longer, it SHOULD take longer to make, especially with less hours spent per day.
4:00 hold on not so fast, its clear as day why team cherry is avoiding commubnication, they dont wanna build even MORE hype, overhype of a game is a death sentence, and keeping our expectations unclear is literally the best move they could do, no matter how good a product may be if hype goes beyound a threshold theres no way developers of any size can meet. its a incredibly smart move.
your guess is as good as anyone elses without any evidence. all the more proof fandoms are religions.
@@thenightwatchman1598 what do you mean by that? its a fact that a bunch of games die by overhype, look at cyberpunk, no man's sky and fucking cubeworld, or hte whole 1.17-1.19 minecraft update.
and team cherry arent the only ones doign this. hades team, blasphemous 2 and many others did a mostly no hype launch, cause hype in a loyal fandom is dangerous as is.
like brother in christ we have a dedicated channel(@dailysilksongnews) just to share news on the game, we are fanatical.
A bit late but considering Hollow Knight, had a 3 year development time (and considering they wanted the dlcs as part of the base game) that could have taken an extra 2 or three years.
Compare that to Silksong which is bigger than Hollow Knight and will have everything in it (we aren’t going to be getting half of the game cut out because of budget issues) I believe it might be 1-2 years more before the actual game releases
Little nightmares Fandom: Are you kidding me? Thats insultingly low.
Recently releases I waited 10 years for Pikmin 4 and 20 years for TTYD remake/RPG PM I think 5ish years for Silksong isn't too bad
Always been annoyed how people get Indie devs a hard time
The silence is tough, but they've earned their goodwill.
Having said that, if I were Team Cherry, I would want to release before Crowsworn does no matter what.
Yup
bro's spitting facts
I don't know if it's taking too long, but just give us some damn information Team Cherry.
Last DLC was released august 2018. Theyve had more than enough time at this point
My background is literally a picture of the knights body with hornets head edited onto it, with the word, "Hnight". Im desperate.
Crazy how people want this game so fast, you can count the devs on a fucking hand. They are probably overworking their assess off because all the pressure, chill.
Sounds like the totk development cycle and eventually it released. Also metroid prime 4 is also shrouded in secrecy.
Im not concerned about how long its taking im concerned with the lack of news
I guess nothing will happen in February 2024. Not even an info or anything. Oh wait maybe they'll retweet a new merch thing. I'll keep waiting and i'll keep hating Team Cherry for their information politics.
Even if silksong shadowdrop the news will be out in seconds and loads of ppl in the community will buy it emedetly.
What about the chess community with no updates since centuries?
Chess 2 when???
Something that just makes me sad is that since the game got announced I ended up in hospital twice and am on a downword spiral when it comes to health. The scariest scenario is that I will die before silksong will come out. And this is like real worry I have not a meme or anything. It’s just sad to have no hope of ever playing the game.
Hope you get better so you can enjoy Silksong! 😢
Hope that you’re still with us and that we get the game soon!
My personal theory is that they're 3/4 done with all the content that they'll eventually think of and add before releasing.
I just hate being left in the dark
all I can say is if it doesn't come out in February or early summer the game is going to be massive most likely 2.5 times the size of hollow nest
You're wrong saying there was a miscommunication between TC and Xbox. Read Leth's tweet again, he explicitly says they planned to release in the first half of 2023, confirming Xbox's statements. Just because it got delayed doesn't mean that wasn't the intended release window
0:00 sorry but I cant take that first statement when half life 2 fans have been waiting on the worst cliffhanger ever waiting for a half life 3 for 20 years. The last line ever heard in the half life series is "Don't leave me..." 😥
Silksomg is releasing on Febuary 25th 2025.
welp, if it does release on that date then you officially called it
I think it's close i have the feeling
Remember those people who thought the world would end when all of the planets aligned?
Remember the original game was rush and it's still an Independent team. 0:17
Silksong hasnt been taking like a ridiculous amount of time for what people are saying,the main issue is that we just dont get news about it!we know its going to be a lot bigger than hk,so id be surprised if its even going to come out this year
Yeah imagine if it had a flowchart like hollow knight did, of goals that the devs had met. That’d be cool
I waited 13 years for a tool album without hardly a word, this wait is nothing to me
Honestly after talking to the Hollow knight community on reddit, I (even as a Hollow Knight fan myself) would rather they give a release date of 2024, before saying on December 31st say its coming 2025, just so I can watch them suffer for their sins (spamming Nintendo live, being hostile to anyone asking for help, attacking anyone that wants a balance change, attacking people for making lore inaccurate headcanons, attacking other games for not being enough like/too similar to Hollow Knight etc I could go on). They deserve to suffer, and even if I have to as well, they have to pay for their sins.
Brutal!!!!
Its going to be a launch day title for the new Nintendo console, team cherry said it in thier last RUclips video. So whatever day the console launches, is the day.
When did they say that? If that were the case then I feel that would be common knowledge by now, because this is literally the first I've ever heard of it and I was there when everyone was dissecting that video. All I remember them saying was that it would come out on PC and Switch, and other consoles if they could work a deal out for them, which they did (Xbox and Playstation).
Team Cherry: Professionals at not communicating. They need to give us something for real.
Stalker 2 development started in 2010 and it's 2024 today
It’s coming out tomorrow for sure
@@Primacon I wish this was true because the release date of stalker is right when summer ends and school stars
Gamers: hype culture is terrible and I hate rushed games
Also gamers: it’s terrible I’ve lost all my hype for this game and I have to wait a few more years for it
How about you people play other games? Have you heard of Celeste? Or terraria? Have you completed Minecraft? There’s millions of games to play waiting for silksong, or maybe you could go outside more, go to the gym, touch some grass, and forget silksong wasn’t out. After all that, silksong will be released before you know it.
Haha yeah I agree, many good games out there. And metroidvania genre has been going crazy lately. Although, nothing, not even touching grass, can scratch the itch that silksong can 😉