Hear, hear! I was a judge at a major national tournament. During practice, I cautioned a number of archers that "sky drawing" was forbidden and I might have to card them if they shot that way during competition. The field was on a college campus, and there was a good forty meters behind the targets, then a chain link fence, then a row of short trees, and then ... I don't know. During the event an "accidental loose" resulted in an arrow, clearing the targets (50 m away), the "safety zone of 40 m, the fence, and the trees! This is the reason for the rules, as you state so well!
A friend of mine used to use the very high draw until the time that the string came off her fingers and the arrow went sailing out of the archery ground and landed in a layby on the road outside. Unfortunately when she went to look for her arrow she found that it was sticking out of the top of a police car that was parked there minding its own business. The policemen inside were NOT best pleased and Jane never used that draw again...
You are right about having rules especially for safety. It's not that some don't get the rules it's they think the rules are for everyone else not them. Your doing a good job so keep it up. Thank you. Alan
Speaking of guns, I remember watching an episode of Medical Detectives (Forensic Files) And a guy died on a gun range, but no one could figure out what happened. They finally solved the case and it was a doozy. One of the things we don't normally talk about when it comes to safety is modification of the weapon and what happened was that some of the folks on the gun range were modifying their guns and one of the modifications they did allowed the gun to fire twice and that's what apparently killed the guy. The gun owner fired the gun but the gun fired twice and the second bullet richochet in a such a way that it killed the man. Oh look the whole episode is on youtube: Medical Detectives (Forensic Files) - Season 1, Ep 2 : The Magic Bullet ruclips.net/video/geXBIHP2-I0/видео.html
I just wanna say, been glued to your vids, learned and improved alot just from your advice on form and technique. Been shooting compound off and on since I was a kid, now 35 got into recurve and love it. Thanks bud!
My experience is lots of archers don't know the rules (or event that rules exist) because they don't do competition or at least don't practice in a club that teaches the rules safety first
I couldnt agree more with rules, im big into shooting firearms, been shooting on backroads all my life. Recently some folks have ruined the backwoods thing because of littering, so decided to go to indoor range.....Upon arrival noticed many many many bullet holes in the cieling. Shows some folks are completelty clueless, and NEED somebody to guide them.
Here's the thing with our club. A lot of the veteran shooters play loose with the safety rules because we trust each other enough to get away with ignoring them. People standing in front of other shooters off to the side if there is some distance between them. I've even seen our 2 oldest veterans shooting facing each other staggered about 10 meters apart. It's going to take having an accident for us to change that culture.
Anyone who has an issue following safety rules at an archery club is NO true archer - and they should stop pretending to be one too! At least until they mature enough to get some common sense. Like NUSensei said, it's only the same common sense kind of saftey rules that exist at firing ranges - go to one of them and start waving your gun about acting like a cretin and see how long it takes to get kicked out!
I added the word true :) and made it a little less sweeping. I know you could call anyone who shoots a bow an 'archer' but If they don't want to follow rules at an archery club, I'd rather think of them as an idiot with a bow.
The only set of rules I find stupid are the one telling me what kind of pants or color of outfit to wear.... My club doesn't compete in shoots so if I as an individual member of the National Organisation want to shoot in a championship I have to wear a complete white outfit (with perhaps a brand logo on it)... So glad I haven't reached that point because all white clothes are just too... weird looking! :p
Sky Draw is a technique learned by beginner, weak person who got their first bow that was over bow for them. The “illegal” sky draw is the same as “point the muzzle in a safe direction” at the range.
I see sky draw mostly 1. Young shooters using to strong bows. 2. Asstards using 70 pound+ compounds without training. They need the momentum to pull the string back because their muscles and their control is lacking. But they have the common sense to not swing it sidewards so the swing to bow up in the sky, and pull hard with the other hand.
Both of you are correct. Funfact: First time I shot a compound I was handed a 60 lbs bow. Not being accustomed to the low draw weight when in full draw I relaxed too much which lead to me collapsing. Stubborn as I am I tried several times which looked like I wanted to start a motor boat or chainsaw.
Rules exist for a reason....CaCa Occurs! You can't fix stupid, and there is so much of it out there with their attorneys to attempt to avoid. Thanks for the video reminders.
We’re enjoying our comparative lack of gun related violence and not having to endure constant mass shootings. Oh yeah, plus we have a healthy hunting and sport shooting community… So no, not all guns. Americans, living in a country which is entirely pay to play and thinking they’re free… Enjoy worshipping your big business overlords!
common sense is rare these days NUSensei, you can not under estimate what people can do when left to their own devices. Everything you talk about in this video don't seem objectionable to me. Personally i like as much space around me when shooting as possible, but I have a back yard range so that is not an issue for the most part. Another thing people need to understand they are a guest of the range, play by the rules or play somewhere else, very simple.
Why do they have rules in darts? Probably so people don't do random stuff and play the actual game like you are supposed to play it? including not standing right in front of the target or throwing darts at others.
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Hear, hear! I was a judge at a major national tournament. During practice, I cautioned a number of archers that "sky drawing" was forbidden and I might have to card them if they shot that way during competition. The field was on a college campus, and there was a good forty meters behind the targets, then a chain link fence, then a row of short trees, and then ... I don't know. During the event an "accidental loose" resulted in an arrow, clearing the targets (50 m away), the "safety zone of 40 m, the fence, and the trees! This is the reason for the rules, as you state so well!
I've had a gun pointed me before at a gun range, And it's one of most terrifying things in my life. Rules exist for a reason people!
RubiksFaQ i had a Light bow pointed on me from 2m for "fun". The Person never touched my bow again! Folow rules or dont take a weapon in your Hand.
@@OhBoy235sounds like you’re drastically over bowed. If you need to do gymnastics to draw it back, then your ego is the problem.
A friend of mine used to use the very high draw until the time that the string came off her fingers and the arrow went sailing out of the archery ground and landed in a layby on the road outside. Unfortunately when she went to look for her arrow she found that it was sticking out of the top of a police car that was parked there minding its own business. The policemen inside were NOT best pleased and Jane never used that draw again...
You are right about having rules especially for safety. It's not that some don't get the rules it's they think the rules are for everyone else not them. Your doing a good job so keep it up. Thank you. Alan
Speaking of guns, I remember watching an episode of Medical Detectives (Forensic Files)
And a guy died on a gun range, but no one could figure out what happened.
They finally solved the case and it was a doozy. One of the things we don't normally talk about when it comes to safety is modification of the weapon and what happened was that some of the folks on the gun range were modifying their guns and one of the modifications they did allowed the gun to fire twice and that's what apparently killed the guy. The gun owner fired the gun but the gun fired twice and the second bullet richochet in a such a way that it killed the man.
Oh look the whole episode is on youtube:
Medical Detectives (Forensic Files) - Season 1, Ep 2 : The Magic Bullet
ruclips.net/video/geXBIHP2-I0/видео.html
I just wanna say, been glued to your vids, learned and improved alot just from your advice on form and technique. Been shooting compound off and on since I was a kid, now 35 got into recurve and love it. Thanks bud!
My experience is lots of archers don't know the rules (or event that rules exist) because they don't do competition or at least don't practice in a club that teaches the rules
safety first
I couldnt agree more with rules, im big into shooting firearms, been shooting on backroads all my life. Recently some folks have ruined the backwoods thing because of littering, so decided to go to indoor range.....Upon arrival noticed many many many bullet holes in the cieling. Shows some folks are completelty clueless, and NEED somebody to guide them.
Here's the thing with our club. A lot of the veteran shooters play loose with the safety rules because we trust each other enough to get away with ignoring them. People standing in front of other shooters off to the side if there is some distance between them. I've even seen our 2 oldest veterans shooting facing each other staggered about 10 meters apart. It's going to take having an accident for us to change that culture.
Anyone who has an issue following safety rules at an archery club is NO true archer - and they should stop pretending to be one too! At least until they mature enough to get some common sense. Like NUSensei said, it's only the same common sense kind of saftey rules that exist at firing ranges - go to one of them and start waving your gun about acting like a cretin and see how long it takes to get kicked out!
That's literally the No True Scotsman fallacy, but I like your sentiment.
I added the word true :) and made it a little less sweeping.
I know you could call anyone who shoots a bow an 'archer' but If they don't want to follow rules at an archery club, I'd rather think of them as an idiot with a bow.
sadly common sense isn't all that common
Ascdren
I agree totally! Right on NU Sensei!
The only set of rules I find stupid are the one telling me what kind of pants or color of outfit to wear....
My club doesn't compete in shoots so if I as an individual member of the National Organisation want to shoot in a championship I have to wear a complete white outfit (with perhaps a brand logo on it)... So glad I haven't reached that point because all white clothes are just too... weird looking! :p
Sky Draw is a technique learned by beginner, weak person who got their first bow that was over bow for them. The “illegal” sky draw is the same as “point the muzzle in a safe direction” at the range.
If people are so intellectual handicapped that it limits their understanding of the rules and their applications perhaps they should not handle bows
Or sentences.
Punctuation is hard.
Above a certain angle I do not feel the draw being easier. If one really needs a 45 degree angle I'd recommened a more adequate draw weight.
I see sky draw mostly 1. Young shooters using to strong bows. 2. Asstards using 70 pound+ compounds without training.
They need the momentum to pull the string back because their muscles and their control is lacking. But they have the common sense to not swing it sidewards so the swing to bow up in the sky, and pull hard with the other hand.
Both of you are correct.
Funfact: First time I shot a compound I was handed a 60 lbs bow. Not being accustomed to the low draw weight when in full draw I relaxed too much which lead to me collapsing. Stubborn as I am I tried several times which looked like I wanted to start a motor boat or chainsaw.
I feel you should never sky draw especially on public hunting land man arrows can go far
one good video
Can you provide any more on what incidents lead to the change in rules?
Rules exist for a reason....CaCa Occurs! You can't fix stupid, and there is so much of it out there with their attorneys to attempt to avoid. Thanks for the video reminders.
Could you do a video on the different competition types and what all the numbers mean i.e. wa30, 1440 etc?
Spot on:)
I thought most of the rules would have been common sense.
sadly common sense isn't common
Common sense is a lovely rule.
Just point to the wholes in the shed for why there are draw height rules
OMG… cant believe why people complain or bitch about safety rules…. And lack of common sense and a need to clarify why…🤦🏻♂️
Well... they did take your guns....
We’re enjoying our comparative lack of gun related violence and not having to endure constant mass shootings. Oh yeah, plus we have a healthy hunting and sport shooting community… So no, not all guns.
Americans, living in a country which is entirely pay to play and thinking they’re free… Enjoy worshipping your big business overlords!
common sense is rare these days NUSensei, you can not under estimate what people can do when left to their own devices. Everything you talk about in this video don't seem objectionable to me. Personally i like as much space around me when shooting as possible, but I have a back yard range so that is not an issue for the most part. Another thing people need to understand they are a guest of the range, play by the rules or play somewhere else, very simple.
get some sleep man
Why do they have rules in darts?
Probably so people don't do random stuff and play the actual game like you are supposed to play it? including not standing right in front of the target or throwing darts at others.