@@selektor2567I think you’re misunderstanding them: they’re saying Jiff Nippard with regards to his intelligence and scientific review of sports medicine from the pov of biomechanics, so when he discusses techniques he observes it through the lens of physiology, which makes him a positive influence on the fitness community.
Nice to see this side of Mike again. Most of his content lately has been a bit more on the comedy side, which is nice, but i lean toward the calm intellectualism.
@@user-ii7xc1ry3x unfortunately just more of an example of Mike posting videos about inflammatory subjects on purpose with little constructive input. I actively avoid that channel.
I'm kinda annoyed with Derek. He doesn't seem very careful about what he says. For instance, he once tried to dispute Huberman's suggestion that prolactin, not estrogen, is the primary driver of gyno. Derek did a piss poor job (imo) of disproving his point and it really made me question his credibility, judgment, and even motives. I've scratched my head over a few of his videos tbh.
Dude. Dr Mike is my FAVORITE!! Anyone else notice that some of the most knowledgeable influences, coaches, scientists, and doctors are all featuring each other? Doing vids together all the time. They likewise slam the same bullshitters, which is the best part.
Currently coming to (thanks to this video) the end of a 3 year stint of exactly what Eugene was struggling with. My squat strength plummeted after my search for "the perfect squat" began. This spectrum of analysis is indeed a tough one to navigate, and I'm glad you 2 were able to spend this much time investigating that. It both satisfied the curious side of myself, and also the "how tf do I get back to where I was" part.
I relate so much to the 'perfect squat' struggle. A year ago I reached my lifetime (so far) PR of 100kg squat, and my goal is 120kg squat (which is 2x my weight). Didn't worry so much about the minutia of technique other than "can I lift the weight" and "am I not injured". Now 1 year later I'm stuck to squatting 80kg for 5 reps, just because I was concerned about squat depth, bar path, stance, proper warm up, etc, which stops me from increasing my weights before I do it "perfectly". And that 80kg squat is challenging for me. I'm frustrated that I'm taking such a long time building back up to the 100kg PR I had, especially when I see how fast others progress. I still hope my work on my technique will pay off and will make me stronger than before. But yeah I think it's a good point to not stress about it too much (esp since I don't plan to compete in powerlifting).
Love this thank you guys!! Not only do you have a patient and wise demeanor about lifting but of life in general. Excited to see more of your content Eugene.
15:50 to about 18:00 is some of the best life advice/perspective I’ve seen in such a concise few minutes. We humans chase the living shit out of the same handful of things and quite literally drive ourselves crazy over who has it and who does not have it. Sex is a huge instance of that for a ton of people.
Incredible podcast, dr.mikes perspective on balancing jiujitsu is so refreshing. Reducing ego on the mat, being willing to train at 50% to prioritize body health!!
Was plesently surprized by the fact that that is not only about musle, the title says, but also about plenty of other topics including just basic life stuff of not being harsh to others all the time.
The first two themes (first couple of dozens of minutes) and the experience and journeys relative to that were so close and relevant that this podcast was alreadh valuable by that, without even bothering the training topic
The shit you said around the 13 min mark really resonated with me Mike! You're the best bro! I look at your experience and advice as another tool in my box. Keep killing it! This was a great pod.
8:20 a perfect example of full ROM being the god tier and then study’s now showing that long length partials are actually more beneficial for hypertrophy than full ROM. I would have argued blind that I was right to anyone saying otherwise. And I actually was wrong. Holding an opinion is exactly that, holding it, it’s not yours, your just holding onto the best you have until a better one comes along. Don’t marry yourself to your opinions because you never know when your holding on to the wrong one. 👊👌👌
i was suffering in that analysis paralysis optimal training and it was stressfull. I eventually realized that exercise selection is minute and technique is where the gold is.
It’s crazy that I was thinking about who could’ve influenced Dr Mike, the way he spoke about the type of “intellectual” charismatic personalities that he looked up to, and I immediately thought about Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris. So it definitely caught me off guard to find that out from him directly but it’s honestly a good insight as to what kind of person Dr Mike is or was. I don’t mean to micro-analyze too much but it does explain so much about him.
Also so true about balancing sports and lifting. Unfortunately when you have 2 goals at once your progress will just be slower because you can only ever give 100% max. I wanted to progress in climbing so I went hard going first for 1hr climbing sessions then 1.5hrs then 2hrs, while also doing my usual gym sessions. Next thing I knew I went away with a shoulder injury that resulted in 2mths of suboptimal lifting (and even now it occasionally acts up). Haven't gone to climb for 6mths now and been trying to continue gym :( Don't do what I do guys, know your limits!
I don’t climb, but I do like cardio and calisthenics and also like lifting heavy. I do blocks generally. I keep the cardio and calisthenics to spring and summer when I’m leaner and heavy training to fall and winter when I’m fluffier. You could try doing something more like that. Build mass in the cold months and express that new strength in the warm ones. You may down size slightly, but it comes back quick
I really hope I'll figure out the squat one day. I was trying to improve in it but somehow it's so extremely fatiguing for me that I get dizzy before even getting close to muscular failure, and my lower back always aches with it. Tried staggered stance which works better, but at the moment I stick to leg press and really going to town with it, deadlifting a lot and squatting light weight.
Same 😢 my lower back is on fire when I squat no matter the weight. Really sucks cause I love squatting but I have to use alternate exercises until I figure this out
It's likely a mobility issue and poor glute/core activation-as someone who struggled with squats for the longest time (long femurs), 99% of squat problems can be attributed to hip mobility, ankle dorsiflexion, feet positioning/balance, glute activation, core activation, thoracic mobility, and shoulder mobility. There's a ton of exercises you can do to get comfortable with squatting, but if you can go down that checklist and see where your weaknesses are you'll be able to troubleshoot and get much closer to your goal. It's worth it in the long run for both health and strength purposes, because if you can't barbell back squat without discomfort, that means you have overarching issues that will hurt you in other ways down the line.
Forgot to mention but lack of leg strength (mostly from weak quads) can also cause lower back problems because you're hinging with the back instead of primarily pushing with legs
@@gingerayyle yes true! I have a dance background so I'm really flexible, but I noticed my ankles are kind of built to cave in and if I purposely stand on the outer edges of my feet I notice much more glute activation. Maybe because I'm so used to standing and squatting with a huge turnout, my adductors are pretty strong but feet parallel is really hard for me:(
@@gingerayyle the thing is I have pretty strong quads but I can't coordinate them to really give their all during squats, leg press is just fine but squats make me lose it
Greg Nuckols has a great guide on how to squat over on StrongerByScience, and it helped me move past "vertical bar path." Essentially, your butt has weight. If at the top, your hips are over your center of gravity, and at the bottom they've moved backwards 6 inches, then there's a moment arm. To stay balanced, something - the barbell - has to move forward. So if your butt weighs 45 pounds and moved back 6 inches, the empty barbell moves forward 6 inches. If the barbell weight 300 lbs though, then it only drifts an inch and looks vertical. He's got some pictures showing this. Might be a good idea for a video.
Mike is an incredible, witty, consolingly (if that is a word) intelligent person, thanks for this interview All the best to you Xth 0.5 female follower of RP channel
Dr. Mike breaking my heart with his hate for the Turkish Get Up 😂 there are so many muscle groups engaged by the different stages of the movement - only the final stage is focused on shoulder stability
arguably the two nicest people in this sh@ty indistry, and believe me, I LOVE this industry... It's just so full of scumbags, fake people etc... These two? So genuine, so nice, so good to hear them....
After listening to a year of Mike this really helps round out a lot of concepts. Often his material has a few too many dirty jokes per short segment of wisdom. You were really able to drag more insights out of him in this interview.
That was such a great chat. So many questions i had myself egere answered with rrgards to different sports and budybuilding . And the change of positions in a movement if its reakly makes digference in growth . Often i think it doesnt but it makes an position more comfortable . Super bice guys having a chat .. thabks for this
The main reason I'm not building muscle with Mike Israetel is because I'm not working out with him. In seriousness though, great content - thanks for this. You're both brilliant.
I think this is just an example of personal opinion getting in the way of the actual benefits. In a void you could isolate all the movements involved and probably get more muscle tension, and subsequent hypertrophy. By that logic though, that would discount the reasoning behind doing compound movements altogether.
Christopher hitchens was actually really loving and cared deeply about people He was just not willing to sugarcoat BS or put up with ignorance. So people thought he was an asshole but he was just being truthful, which is what I want people to be
I agree with the form thing but when it comes to squats so many ppl putting 3-4 plates with meh legs and poor form. Going knees over toes at lighter weight juts gives so much better leg growth
i would love to hear the question about his plans to get off PEDs. based on what he's said, he doesnt recommend being on them for the rest of his life, but it seems like a very relevant question when so much of the conversation is him talking about how he doesnt really want to grow his muscles anymore and they like get in his way and stuff
Thank you so much for this!You should maybe think about renaming the video like "why you're not building muscle" with Dr Israetel, because right now the title seems to imply that you don't build muscle with Dr Israetel, which couldn't be further from the truth 😁
That was courageous as a prominent influencer to say he admired Christopher Hitchens (I do too). There's some baggage that will come with that statement. I'd love to see Dr. Mike on a program with Sam Harris or another "four horseman"
With these two there is hope for RUclips fitness.
Don't forget Jeff Nippard!
@@earlofcockgobblingshire3666 Of course not. And a few others.
@@jockez3581 What's wrong with Jeff Nippard exactly?
@@selektor2567I think you’re misunderstanding them: they’re saying Jiff Nippard with regards to his intelligence and scientific review of sports medicine from the pov of biomechanics, so when he discusses techniques he observes it through the lens of physiology, which makes him a positive influence on the fitness community.
@@earlofcockgobblingshire3666 Jeff Nippard puts out some questionable content every once in awhile
Dude this was an incredible podcast.
Didn’t think I’d see you here, it’s cool
yooo stay flexy guy
No matter how many podcasts I listen with Mike, he always remains one of the most entertaining people. Super grateful we have him
Nice to see this side of Mike again. Most of his content lately has been a bit more on the comedy side, which is nice, but i lean toward the calm intellectualism.
"But it all comes down to pussy at the end of the day" -Mike
Lots of that on his personal channel in case you haven't checked it
@@user-ii7xc1ry3x unfortunately just more of an example of Mike posting videos about inflammatory subjects on purpose with little constructive input. I actively avoid that channel.
@@Rave.- I actually kinda agree
@@Rave.- You call them inflammatory but what they really are is common sense and mature views on hot button topics.
Eugene, how long have you been sitting on this?!?! WTF man. We miss you ❤
A long ass time.
mike with hair holy shit
He shows pics and talks about Charly so it's got to be a minute
@@Gargarkswhat happened with Charlie? Why don't they work out together anymore? Is it drama?! 😮
@Mr_SamuelAdam Dr Mike had to cook him up for protein for his last bodybuilding show
I’m not building muscle with Mike Isratel because he won’t return my calls.
😂
😂😂😂
😂 What I love about this comment is that we all love Dr. Mike’s humor because it’s collectively our humor.
@VeniceGringo his humor is lame and corny... You can tell he was not one of the cool kids growing up
@@michaelm1573 says the guy with 276 subscribers. I’m sure you’re hilarious.
Just came back to say Eugene's gym really does have the best lighting/colors in the business. This entire episode is just ZEN.
I've seen a lot Mike Israetel lately and this was easily the interaction that brought out his most likeable aspects for me
Wow, what an amazing interview. Love hearing Mike talk about humility.
Yes, he’s awesome, so logical and down to earth
I would like more of these with these type of guests. I can already picture the future guests, Jeff Nippard, Derek mpmd, Davis Diley
I love how mpmd is used as a surname across the internet
I'm kinda annoyed with Derek. He doesn't seem very careful about what he says. For instance, he once tried to dispute Huberman's suggestion that prolactin, not estrogen, is the primary driver of gyno. Derek did a piss poor job (imo) of disproving his point and it really made me question his credibility, judgment, and even motives. I've scratched my head over a few of his videos tbh.
for someone who doesn't have a podcast (or not that I know of) the quality of this interview is incredible. Classic uncle eugene work
Dude. Dr Mike is my FAVORITE!! Anyone else notice that some of the most knowledgeable influences, coaches, scientists, and doctors are all featuring each other? Doing vids together all the time. They likewise slam the same bullshitters, which is the best part.
That's called being in a bubble. Yes, it's no coincidence that people, who broadly agree, collaborate and that they all get recommended to you.
Bro, a lot of what Dr Mike says can be applied to life in general. This is pure gold
Currently coming to (thanks to this video) the end of a 3 year stint of exactly what Eugene was struggling with. My squat strength plummeted after my search for "the perfect squat" began. This spectrum of analysis is indeed a tough one to navigate, and I'm glad you 2 were able to spend this much time investigating that. It both satisfied the curious side of myself, and also the "how tf do I get back to where I was" part.
I relate so much to the 'perfect squat' struggle. A year ago I reached my lifetime (so far) PR of 100kg squat, and my goal is 120kg squat (which is 2x my weight). Didn't worry so much about the minutia of technique other than "can I lift the weight" and "am I not injured".
Now 1 year later I'm stuck to squatting 80kg for 5 reps, just because I was concerned about squat depth, bar path, stance, proper warm up, etc, which stops me from increasing my weights before I do it "perfectly". And that 80kg squat is challenging for me. I'm frustrated that I'm taking such a long time building back up to the 100kg PR I had, especially when I see how fast others progress. I still hope my work on my technique will pay off and will make me stronger than before. But yeah I think it's a good point to not stress about it too much (esp since I don't plan to compete in powerlifting).
Sounds like you would benefit from working in person with a good coach for a while
You must be a small woman if 100kg is a lifetime goal. Just Squat comfortably until ur eyes pop out
Just reduce squat depth and you will increase weights. Keep reducing depth for more PRs
Bro get over yourself lol
Ahahaha underrated comment@@MenacedAssassin
28:40-41:20 is GOLD. Such a great video!
I loved this. Two current influences and great information on training. With good humor. That’s important
Love this thank you guys!! Not only do you have a patient and wise demeanor about lifting but of life in general. Excited to see more of your content Eugene.
Absolutely loved the collaboration and the video! Highly insightful and informative conversation. Totally outstanding. Thanks! 🙏
15:50 to about 18:00 is some of the best life advice/perspective I’ve seen in such a concise few minutes. We humans chase the living shit out of the same handful of things and quite literally drive ourselves crazy over who has it and who does not have it. Sex is a huge instance of that for a ton of people.
General movement patterns is a much better way to consider exercises. I loved this discussion between 2 highly educated and thought out people.
So glad you said that “extra effort to learn and bring it back to everyone.” True and not rewarded often by our economic system.
Incredible podcast, dr.mikes perspective on balancing jiujitsu is so refreshing. Reducing ego on the mat, being willing to train at 50% to prioritize body health!!
Really loved this calm and thoughtful conversation.
DAMN!! FINALLY! I always wondered why there was a shorter video in a podcast format seeming to be like a piece taken out of a bigger whole.
Was plesently surprized by the fact that that is not only about musle, the title says, but also about plenty of other topics including just basic life stuff of not being harsh to others all the time.
The first two themes (first couple of dozens of minutes) and the experience and journeys relative to that were so close and relevant that this podcast was alreadh valuable by that, without even bothering the training topic
The shit you said around the 13 min mark really resonated with me Mike! You're the best bro! I look at your experience and advice as another tool in my box. Keep killing it! This was a great pod.
These two together = optimal growth
The short arm joke took me out too ahhah
8:20 a perfect example of full ROM being the god tier and then study’s now showing that long length partials are actually more beneficial for hypertrophy than full ROM. I would have argued blind that I was right to anyone saying otherwise. And I actually was wrong. Holding an opinion is exactly that, holding it, it’s not yours, your just holding onto the best you have until a better one comes along. Don’t marry yourself to your opinions because you never know when your holding on to the wrong one. 👊👌👌
Amazing conversation, amazing chemistry, you are both so funny and entertaining!
Didn't see this Collab coming, looking forward to listening to this tomorrow morning at work 😂
The editing on this is 🔥. Images and videos popping on along the conversation really helps!
Appreciate it!!
11:49 - genetics or how they grew up, or combination of that.... universal answer for any question regarding any person. =)
Dr. Mike pulling out a Thomas Sowell reference on a fitness podcast?? I am here for this!
Same lmao. Pleasantly surprised.
i was suffering in that analysis paralysis optimal training and it was stressfull. I eventually realized that exercise selection is minute and technique is where the gold is.
Mike is the man!! Happy this collab happened two great men
HOLY SHIT FINALLY. I can rest. It has been released. Freed to us all.
It’s crazy that I was thinking about who could’ve influenced Dr Mike, the way he spoke about the type of “intellectual” charismatic personalities that he looked up to, and I immediately thought about Christopher Hitchens and Sam Harris. So it definitely caught me off guard to find that out from him directly but it’s honestly a good insight as to what kind of person Dr Mike is or was. I don’t mean to micro-analyze too much but it does explain so much about him.
Been waiting on this over a year let’s goooo!
I really liked this conversation, it's very calm
Been using the RP app for 3 weeks! Sweet AF I gotta say. Dr. Mike you are invaluable man ✌️Eugene, I love your work
Also so true about balancing sports and lifting. Unfortunately when you have 2 goals at once your progress will just be slower because you can only ever give 100% max. I wanted to progress in climbing so I went hard going first for 1hr climbing sessions then 1.5hrs then 2hrs, while also doing my usual gym sessions. Next thing I knew I went away with a shoulder injury that resulted in 2mths of suboptimal lifting (and even now it occasionally acts up). Haven't gone to climb for 6mths now and been trying to continue gym :( Don't do what I do guys, know your limits!
You probably can replace vertical pulling with climbing
I don’t climb, but I do like cardio and calisthenics and also like lifting heavy. I do blocks generally. I keep the cardio and calisthenics to spring and summer when I’m leaner and heavy training to fall and winter when I’m fluffier.
You could try doing something more like that. Build mass in the cold months and express that new strength in the warm ones. You may down size slightly, but it comes back quick
Best insight on the jiujitsu balancing 🙌🏽 so much value
I really hope I'll figure out the squat one day. I was trying to improve in it but somehow it's so extremely fatiguing for me that I get dizzy before even getting close to muscular failure, and my lower back always aches with it. Tried staggered stance which works better, but at the moment I stick to leg press and really going to town with it, deadlifting a lot and squatting light weight.
Same 😢 my lower back is on fire when I squat no matter the weight. Really sucks cause I love squatting but I have to use alternate exercises until I figure this out
It's likely a mobility issue and poor glute/core activation-as someone who struggled with squats for the longest time (long femurs), 99% of squat problems can be attributed to hip mobility, ankle dorsiflexion, feet positioning/balance, glute activation, core activation, thoracic mobility, and shoulder mobility. There's a ton of exercises you can do to get comfortable with squatting, but if you can go down that checklist and see where your weaknesses are you'll be able to troubleshoot and get much closer to your goal. It's worth it in the long run for both health and strength purposes, because if you can't barbell back squat without discomfort, that means you have overarching issues that will hurt you in other ways down the line.
Forgot to mention but lack of leg strength (mostly from weak quads) can also cause lower back problems because you're hinging with the back instead of primarily pushing with legs
@@gingerayyle yes true! I have a dance background so I'm really flexible, but I noticed my ankles are kind of built to cave in and if I purposely stand on the outer edges of my feet I notice much more glute activation. Maybe because I'm so used to standing and squatting with a huge turnout, my adductors are pretty strong but feet parallel is really hard for me:(
@@gingerayyle the thing is I have pretty strong quads but I can't coordinate them to really give their all during squats, leg press is just fine but squats make me lose it
I've been eagerly awaiting this full video, thanks! 🎉
Love seeing Dr. Mike here!
Greg Nuckols has a great guide on how to squat over on StrongerByScience, and it helped me move past "vertical bar path." Essentially, your butt has weight. If at the top, your hips are over your center of gravity, and at the bottom they've moved backwards 6 inches, then there's a moment arm. To stay balanced, something - the barbell - has to move forward. So if your butt weighs 45 pounds and moved back 6 inches, the empty barbell moves forward 6 inches. If the barbell weight 300 lbs though, then it only drifts an inch and looks vertical. He's got some pictures showing this. Might be a good idea for a video.
Mike is an incredible, witty, consolingly (if that is a word) intelligent person, thanks for this interview
All the best to you
Xth 0.5 female follower of RP channel
Shoutout to Thomas Sowell! The greatest living intellect at this moment in time.
Great conversation and insight.
Dr. Mike breaking my heart with his hate for the Turkish Get Up 😂 there are so many muscle groups engaged by the different stages of the movement - only the final stage is focused on shoulder stability
Did he even make recommendations what exercises to do instead??
arguably the two nicest people in this sh@ty indistry, and believe me, I LOVE this industry... It's just so full of scumbags, fake people etc... These two? So genuine, so nice, so good to hear them....
Thank you for the video!
You had me at Hitchens and Sowell❤
This is absolutely incredible.
Outstanding questions Eugene
I’ve always wondered why im not building muscle with Dr. Mike. Like, can’t we do this shit together?
I remember you posting about this a collab a long time ago. I was looking forward to hear this conversation
After listening to a year of Mike this really helps round out a lot of concepts. Often his material has a few too many dirty jokes per short segment of wisdom. You were really able to drag more insights out of him in this interview.
to many dirty jokes per segment of wisdom? impossible
Have you watched his advanced hypertrophy concepts and tools playlist? It's 20+ hours of in depth bodybuilding stuff
@@Bdavis2475 I'll look it up! Might have seen parts of it. Thanks
Eugene said it perfectly at the beginning. Thats the reason i watch eugene and mikes content
Oh?! Lets go! Looking forward to this talk!
Shampoo bottle is hilarious gonna have to try that out lol
That was such a great chat. So many questions i had myself egere answered with rrgards to different sports and budybuilding . And the change of positions in a movement if its reakly makes digference in growth . Often i think it doesnt but it makes an position more comfortable . Super bice guys having a chat .. thabks for this
great interview from 2 legends
The main reason I'm not building muscle with Mike Israetel is because I'm not working out with him. In seriousness though, great content - thanks for this. You're both brilliant.
I think this is just an example of personal opinion getting in the way of the actual benefits. In a void you could isolate all the movements involved and probably get more muscle tension, and subsequent hypertrophy. By that logic though, that would discount the reasoning behind doing compound movements altogether.
these are my two favorite fitness people on youtube together!!!! wqoohoooo!
Christopher hitchens was actually really loving and cared deeply about people
He was just not willing to sugarcoat BS or put up with ignorance. So people thought he was an asshole but he was just being truthful, which is what I want people to be
My two favorite RUclipsrs. 💯
Ngl i would love building muscle with dr mike
Well what a super Duo we have here.
“epistemic humility” hell yea
Eating straight frosting is awesome, no contest prep needed.
I'm really looking forward to Mike's contributions to BJJ once he completes his bodybuilding tenure.
I agree with the form thing but when it comes to squats so many ppl putting 3-4 plates with meh legs and poor form. Going knees over toes at lighter weight juts gives so much better leg growth
Gene Toes! And the champion of locker room humor Mike from Israel! Nice
Oh my goodness...dreams come true
This podcast is deeper than my squat.
Loved this!!!
Fantastic and really interesting!
“I have a connection to the deep truth about the universe because I am actually god” Dr Mike never gets old 😂
Great interview
Hi Eugene, can you speak more about the de-aging revolution done on animals of which Mike speaks about at 58:20?
Thank you thank you thank you!
This is fucking brilliant guys. Thank you! It speaks to my personal experience.
10:14 “if you’re gonna convince people that you’re correct, you should just be able to explain to them why something is true or not.” - dr Mike
Doctor mike is a GOAT.
Superb ,more please
i would love to hear the question about his plans to get off PEDs. based on what he's said, he doesnt recommend being on them for the rest of his life, but it seems like a very relevant question when so much of the conversation is him talking about how he doesnt really want to grow his muscles anymore and they like get in his way and stuff
Can't agree more with getting caught up with the perfect technique. I'm just getting out of that spell. Hopefully start getting some better results.
Put nippard here. Top 3 science based lifters
Thank you so much for this!You should maybe think about renaming the video like "why you're not building muscle" with Dr Israetel, because right now the title seems to imply that you don't build muscle with Dr Israetel, which couldn't be further from the truth 😁
As the great Mark Twain said “it ain’t the things you don’t know that get you but it’s the things you know for certain that just ain’t so”
The opportunity for a breaking bad reference when he’s talking about 90 to 99 percent would’ve been perfect
I been working out for years and I still can’t tell when I’m under doing or over doing it in the gym lol
grreat pod as predicted
That was courageous as a prominent influencer to say he admired Christopher Hitchens (I do too). There's some baggage that will come with that statement. I'd love to see Dr. Mike on a program with Sam Harris or another "four horseman"
Ohhhhh man this is something I never saw coming
Great content