Invaluable info! Unpacking the language of the Bible is my greatest area of interest, as it is what pushed me over the edge when I was leaving the faith. It’s tough to find resources that dive into the myths that surrounded Judaism at its birth in a manner such as this: accessible, directly quoting the ancient scripts, and tying them to the claims of the Bible in detail. Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge. Look forward to the growth of the channel and learning much more.
Also, Roman royalty wrote the bible. They included slavery as part of the concept as they benefited from their work and could continue their wealthy lifestyle. It continues to this day! The British royalty are direct descendents of the authors of the bible. Thus, the 'gods' (they were considered gods) could *rest* from *their* labour! But the 'slaves' continue working...
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic Abrahamic religion itself is plagiarised for gods sake they became Monothesist after adopting Zoroastrian concepts like angles and an eternal enemy , eternal hell , and paradise taking the numerous names of their dieties and making them terms of there now monotheistic god.
Great job man! I love what you are doing to shed light on the fact the the bible is just a copy of other old traditions, myths and legends. Thanks Dr. Monger!
After watching countless videos, and reading many books on these topics, the idea of ET's or Star beings having their hand in everything makes sense to me. There is some interesting video interviews with Grand Master Templar Timothy Hogan, where he exposes many of the ancient secrets...one of them being that the bones of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, John the Baptist along with children they had are preserved in their care. Timothy states that Jesus snd John's head's are elongated. This is very intriguing, and would explain how Mary could have been a case of an obduction...also why John and Jesus had such powerful capabilities, as did the pharaohs. I will add that at 7 years of age, I had an experience with a being of light that manifested in my bedroom...this being looked light skinned, light blue eyes, and very blonde silky hair. I was told that I am never alone. I felt safe and loved. I was told and shown a star that I am connected to. I didn't talk to anyone about this until I was an adult. I knew no one in my family would have believed it. To this day(now I am 62) the memory is crystal clear, and I absolutely feel that i am never alone. It was not a dream. What is your opinion on Timothy Hogan? Thank you.
As a former Catholic (now atheist), the Old Testament was never emphasized since it was considered the covenant that Jesus superseded and made irrelevant (except, of course, for the parts that were conveniently considered a prophecy of Jesus as the Messiah). I’m very much enjoying the historical and literary origins of these myths as part of the larger pantheon that humans created to explain existence. Thank you for sharing your expertise.
Thank you Dr. Matt. Very concise and action-packed presentation. Going back to the foundational texts really brings the well-known Bible stories to life.
The cultural building blocks, which so much more was based upon. Like the Star Trek transporter lol allows us to imagine, moving things instantly. Its been used in so many more and various situations in pop culture since it was introduced.
This is a comment to please the gods of the algorithm. I really like your content so far, you're very knowledgeable and present your points really well. Keep up the good work!
Loving these. It reminds me of how religions take over a previous faiths holy places. 'this is a special place/special story, but here is how it is to be used in our faith'
Wonderfully done. I remember first uncovering all of this in 2008. We also see later on Orpheus or Orphism that the Titans are slayed, resulting in humans being part earthly and part divine.
The clay being mixed with a divine substance immediately makes me think of the Orphic account in which the Titans eat baby Dionysus, Zeus strikes them with thunderbolt and humans are created out of the ash, so that every human has a divine substance mixed in their body.
Avery interesting outline, I am still reading the flood account of the Sumerian/Akkadian tale! I always wondered if there was a word for lady or Queen, now I have my answer to at least one of them. I have the book by Dr. Bowen on learning the Sumerian language, now that you have this channel I can learn from you too! Thank you Dr.Monger!
Wow, amazing video, Dr. Monger!!! I didn't know about the lady of the rib connection, I've heard that the term there for rib (צלע) could also refer to the side of something, so do we translate it rib here because of the context of the verse?
"According to this myth, the infant Dionysus is killed, torn apart, and consumed by the Titans. In retribution, Zeus strikes the Titans with a thunderbolt, turning them to ash. From these ashes, humanity is born. In Orphic belief, this myth describes humanity as having a dual nature: body (Ancient Greek: σῶμα, romanized: sôma), inherited from the Titans, and a divine spark or soul (Ancient Greek: ψυχή, romanized: psukhḗ), inherited from Dionysus." ~ Wikipedia/Orphism
Not sure if this is something you want to cover in future videos, but do you take "in the image of elohim" in Genesis 1:27 to refer to the humanoid body plan (because some elohim were male and some were female)?
I really appreciate this comparison. As you discuss the Hebrew names, compared with the Babylonian I am curious about your use of "Elohim." I have heard others suggest that Elohim is plural, and more comparable with modern Christianity "trinity" where Eloheynu is the more revered, prayed to, father deity. Do you see any equivalent Hebrew mother deity that would correspond to the Babylonian mother deity?
Like the Dewey Decimal System to order books on shelves in the library, Moses was the Teacher, orally speaking on a daily basis , during the Exodus a teaching method of sermons for each day, while the people trekked through the desert, six days, every evening , standing on a rock , often in the Moonlight, Moses using Aaron to amplify his voice put his lessons into this system of daily segments which repeated weekly and devoted each unique day of a week to a unique subject pertaining to explaining how God created the world. So the observing of time was by Moses, not originally God but God was with Moses in this new order of a new world that was being made, with a daily lesson plan, to teach and set to order the lessons to a method of recording the sessions. So every first day Moses would teach about the Beginning and the Light. On each second day Moses spoke about elements of materialism , waters etc. So each day became correlated to a subject, just like you use the Dewey Decimal System to quickly find a book on a subject or topic, which a number system filed the books so you can find them on the shelves. So when God made the World in Six Days, it was in context of Moses directed by God, in the Exodus to teach subjects about Creation , and the New World Order being made, assigned to a system to keep the teaching system orderly. Every sixth day, Moses taught about human history right up to the point of the current moment of the Exodus itself, and then the Seventh Day, the entire camp rested, and Moses did not teach a sermon on the mount but blessed the day of rest. This was repeated for forty years during the Exodus, but readers of the Bible do not catch on readily , but if you read the Creation Account in the Book of Job, and fail to find a Seven Day Lesson Plan, then you see that when God created the world, there was no such observance of time at all, but it took that time to TEACH about Creation , and that is how God made or explained the World in Creation in Six Days, the time was consumed by Moses and the Israelites in the Exodus, who had this system of Oral Teaching , day by day. When God was alone in creating the world, God was not needing a Day of Rest. God imposed a Day of Rest for the TEACHING about Creation and the Law, Time was imposed for the benefit of the People, who did not observe time the way God sees the matter.
On the sixth day, God fashioned a man from clay and breathed life into him, and placed him in the garden of Eden, where he was supplied with everything he could need. And after a couple of weeks, God came to the garden and spoke to Adam : "Hi Adam. How's it all going? How do you like my creation? Adam : "It's wonderful. I have fruit from the trees and air to breathe. I am warmed by the sun and I can bathe in the streams. I want for nothing ... almost!" God : "Almost?" Adam "Well, I'm lonely. The bull has his cow, the deer has his roe - but I have nobody. I would like a partner to talk to" God : "I have lived alone for a long time, and I'm quite happy - I made you in my image, so I thought you'd feeel the same way. But, OK, I can make you a partner. To make her compatible with you, I will make her from a part of your body. What do ypou have in mind? Adam : "I have seen that when I peel back the surface of a leaf, I can see tiny cells in it, and I would like to discuss this, and many other aspects of nature with her. And when I look at the night sky, I would like to talk to her about the white band of light across the sky, and the reason why it is there. I would like to discuss where the rain comes from, and why a rainbow forms if the sun is low" God : "I see the kind of partner you want - but it won't be easy. It'll cost you an arm and a leg" Adam : "Ah! ..... what can I get ... for .... like half a rib?" Don't be offended, Ladies - there's also a version of that story from the other side of the gender divide.
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic Well, especially for you ... God creates his masterpiece, calls her Eve, and puts her in the garden. After a couple of weeks, he visits, and she tells him "Everything's good - but I have a problem with these three breasts" God "Ah! What's the problem? I gave lots of the animals four legs and six teats, so I thought you'd be OK with three" Eve "Well, the middle one pushes the other two outwards, and they get scratched when passing between the bushes in the garden." So God reaches down and plucks the middle breast away and tosses it among the bushes. Next time he visits, Eve tells him that she's happy - but lonely. God says "Then I shall make you a partner from a part of your body. Now let's see ... what did I do with that useless tit?
You should watch the late Dave Allen version. “God created Adam and put him in the garden. Adam spent his time working in the garden, playing with the animals, enjoying the flowers and the nice weather. After a while God looked down… and saw that Adam was perfectly happy…..” The video is on RUclips: I tried to write the joke down but the effect is not as good.
I can totally embrace our creation through a genetic process and have felt this way for a long time. Evolution simply does not ring true. So, man being created after the other animals makes sense to me. All of this said, with all the conflict known before and after with other gods, I can also easily embrace an option of Love and Justice being laid out as an option. The best way to piss anyone off in life as we know it, is to show love in the face of adversity. It's a powerful strategy.
notthe etc: "Evolution simply does not ring true." - This is potentially an argument from personal incredulity. The fact that it does not "ring true" to you, does not alter the fact that it is as solid a piece of science as we possess. Remember, all reputable experts in the field, most well-informed lay(wo)men and, indeed, the vast majority of theists have no difficulty accepting biological evolution. What this suggests is that you should take some time to study evolution. I found Richard Dawkins' books extremely helpful as a starting point. Here on Yt you could look at the channels of Creation Myths, Gutsick Gibbon, Jackson Wheat, PZ Myers, AronRa ... I wish you good luck in your studies. When you finally come to realise that homo sapiens is a rather remarkable member of the ape family, it gives you a whole new and enriching perspective on the world and our place in it.
There are a number of literary arguments, but the most important historical reason is that the Sumerian and Old Babylonian stories were written down before Hebrew existed as a language.
@@leslieviljoen Hebrew developed from the Canaanite branch of the North-West Semitic languages in the late bronze age/early iron age. Up until about 1400-1200 BCE Hebrew wasn't a thing. The earliest certain Hebrew manuscripts/inscriptions are dated to around 1000 BCE - before that things are Canaanite.
Lol. Don't forget that story was taken from Emporer Vespasian who was encouraged to do this and he healed a blind man. He also healed a lame man. He was part of the royal family that wrote the bible.
@@mdevilden haha! You're welcome. Vespasian also healed a lame man. His son, Titus called himself the Son of Man. He was the one, speaking as jesus, that this generation shall not die till all be fulfilled...he destroyed Jerusalem and left not one stone upon another. He also began his military campaign on the SEA of Galilee and when the jews fled from them he speared them like fish and said he was a fisher of men...
Thank you for sharing your work! Dr. Monger, are you still open to the idea that there is a deity of sorts that has been interpreted differently throughout time, culture and religions? That science and DNA and quantum physics are saying there must have been some intelligence and "creation" taking place (not at all referencing the Bible)?
meganbotterill: I hope he will have time to respond to you. For my part, I would point out that DNA and quantum physics are NOT suggesting any kind of intelligent agent involved in the process. The only scientists I have encountered who might like to see it that way are "God" believers and, quite often, are not reputable experts in the relevant fields. The bottom line is that one cannot assert that "God" did anything unless and until we have a "God" to examine. To put it another way, we cannot say "the butler did it" without first having a butler to point to.
@@Nai61awhy does anything exist in the first place? I’m agnostic these days but common sense leads me to believe that there must be some cause for all of these effects
@@tylerdavis520 Yt is driving me mad. I replied to this a while ago and I cannot see my response. If you can see THIS message, please let me know and I will try to reconstruct what I said previously.
@@tylerdavis520 Thank you. Let me try again. Why do you assume that it should NOT exist? Why do you assume that non-existence (or "nothing") is the default setting? It seems to me that this is what religion does to us. As to causes and effects, I can grant that there could be (or even MUST be, if you like) an instantiating cause and that would get us no nearer to a "God". Everything we observe is material, physical, chemical and, often, organic. I can see no reason to suppose that the instantiating "cause" would be anything other that material, physical etc.
I want to hear about Jesus in the context of these sayings of his: "If you have the Son, you have the Father. Whoever does not have the son, has not the Father." And "I am the Α and the Ω." And why does "את" appear throughout the OT? And who/what does את mean? Is it plural, the A/א in company with Ω/ת, or individual Α and also Ω?
Jesus is fictional and copied from the Greek god, Dionysus. The main author of the NT called himself the ALPHA and OMEGA as his name starts with A for Alpha and ends with O for Omega...Arrius Piso. He was Roman royalty and had multiple pseudonyms and aliases. He was proficient in Greek, copied Greek philosophy, which is all through the NT. The NT is actually a family ledger of this royal family aka Emporers/Caesars.
One thing that's not always obvious to modern people (and ignored by Judeochristians familiar with molding) is that DUST is NOT useful for molding (and is certainly NOT IDENTICAL WITH CLAY). Sure there are a bazillion Mesopotamian elements there, but not clay molding. I think "formed" should be understood more "vague/abstract" than specific molding. "DUST" is just a metaphor that references the EXPERIENTIAL reality of CORPSES being BURIED in the GROUND. Perhaps "made of dust" need not be taken more literally than "heart of gold/stone"
I do think clay makes sense in Mesopotamia though. The interesting thing about clay is that it is soft and moldable when wet, but dusty when dry. Anyway, I agree that dust blowing away makes sense given the reality of corpses decaying and disappearing. And yeah, made of dust is much less metaphorical than heart imagry!
@@tsemayekekema2918 I don't think people were made from literal clay either, I think it's a myth written by people that knew how to form things with clay and that it's a good image of how people seem to be in one form when living but another when dead. It's a nice metaphor that people still use, so i don't see why god(s) moulding people from clay as a metaphor for creation would be unintended
@@Biblemonger I agree with you. My point was that this particular old testament scholar meticulously argued that Genesis 3's reference to "dust" wasn't specific enough to be certain that clay moulding was in fact intended by the author (maybe his argument can only be well evaluated if you read his books, as I'm not sure I'm thoroughly representing him-my memory of it isn't 100% and I haven't read them thoroughly either). He claims that we have gotten used to reading it that way because of tradition. I'm still undecided about his argument though.
Yeah, I don't recall his line of reasoning either. For me dust isn't a big deal - the point is that the stuff from which we are made is also the stuff to which we return. Which is, like you originally said, just experiential reality. Back-forming an idea of people becoming animated by the breath of god is secondary to the reality of people being absorbed back into the earth after they die.
In this text that is what Enki does. This is a pretty common depiction in ancient texts - I guess up to the time of the "virgin" Mary and even later gods tend to impregnate their daughters, or humans, usually against their will
i would suggest to not personify the actors, but relate to the action between them, which is the fertilisation process. After all,, Enki eats trees, grown from his spilled semen... not literal
10:40 isn't it more accurate to say "side" rather than rib? If so, is there a translation that could have been used here that says that? Also, does it specifically say in the text that woman exists solely because man wanted a companion? This "helpmeet" idea seems hugely misogynistic and it would have been good to clarify whether this interpretation is in the text, if it is traditional, or if it is the interpretation you favour yourself, before continuing on to the parallels in older works.
The word can mean rib or side in Hebrew and cognate languages so I don't see why we would take issue with it in the phrase "one of his x." The text doesn't say that the man wanted a companion, but that God says "it is not good for man to be alone so I will make him a companion/helper." But regardless, yes, the bible is hugely misogynistic.
Lol.. as a so caller dr u did not know that it was man that requested for woman from his heart... it was not God who "begun" to look for a woman for the man...
Um... it was? Read Genesis 2 verse 18. "Then the Lord God said, “I see that it is not good for the man to be alone. I will make the companion he needs, one just right for him.”" Adam never even says anything to Big g before he makes him a woman. That feeling when you dont know your own holy book...
@@czipcok1994 u hve no idea what u were talking about.. when God said it was not good for man to be alone who did He bring to Adam? .... and Adam said this is now the bones of my bones and flesh of my flesh.... this is now.... what do u understand by that exclamation?? U need to learn...
@@manugruni5074 Explain to me how do I not know something when I pointed out the bloody verse when god decides to make companion for man? It is after the verse when man names all the animals and finds no companion among them. You know how creation went better than the bible or something? Point us to the verse mate. Man NEVER asks for a companion. That is your own story you came up with, which in case of your holy book, is called blasphemy. Good job.
@@czipcok1994 let me educate u, it seems u r not smart enough to understand what im telling you, that's y u will only read the bible with your mind and not by the inspiration of the Spirit. When God said "it is not good for man to live alone, let us make a help meet for him (Gen 2:18), why didn't God form a woman for the man? God rather formed animals and brought to the man to help man not a woman.. (Gen 2:19) why? Because that was God's perfect will for man, But after Adam named all the animals and possibly spent sometime with them, the writer says "but unto Adam was not found a help meet for him" why? Because Adam didn't see the animals as complete help meet, He desired more than that.. so God knowing what man desired, formed a woman out of him. So when Adam finally saw the being in front of him, he was happy and said "this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh" why did he say that? Because at last what he wanted he's gotten it. A being like himself.. that's God's permissive will for him.. so Adam desired for something else other than the animals with him, hence desired for it and God being loving and merciful, looked upon the heart of man and allowed His permissive will to be done.I don't know what u r but the bible is written this way so we can search and allow the Holy Spirit to teach us all truths.
@@manugruni5074 Let me educate you on reading comprehension. First god creates man, THEN decides that he needs a companion, and only later that decision creates woman. God clearly first wants to make a companion for man and only later creates a woman for him all his other creation get rejected. "The man gave names to all the tame animals, to all the birds in the air, and to all the wild animals. He saw many animals and birds, but he could not find a companion that was right for him. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to sleep very deeply. While he was asleep, God took one of the ribs from the man’s body. Then he closed the man’s skin where the rib had been." In what part does it say that man wanted a woman? Of course it's addifferent story if YOU know that in his heart he wanted a woman. Then I guess be better call you god cause you know that happened at creation.
Yes! You must know about the origins of Christianity! That's exactly what the purpose was for...make people believe they are 'slaves', which keeps these Roman royals able to live their wealthy lifestyle, without having to work!! #PisoProject #PisosChristianity
It is precisely the same process and transition from the old Torah "Judaism" to the new Torah "Christianity" There is some force that takes humanity through a process and explains it to them according to their ability to understand at the time and according to their need to develop or focus on what this force wants or needs at the moment...Technology, science, psychology, etc... today is the new Torah. And at the same time, in the Old Testament, truth and accuracy are woven into the stories, mainly in words and numbers that are still relevant even today.
talirubinnow: Christianity is mainly an invention of "Paul" and his followers, rather as Mormonism is an invention of Joseph Smith et al. The Jews will explain to you why the "Jesus"/Messiah story is nonsense. They are too kind to tell you that there is no good, credible, extra-biblical, contemporary evidence for the existence of the "Jesus" character described in the New Testament, but that is the case. See if you can find some.
@@Nai61a I am a Jew it’s more complex than that… modern Judaism is not a good source for the truth. If you believe there is a God then everything is going according to his plan!that is my bottom line.
@@talirubinnow I am not sure I understand your point about modern Judaism. After all, if you are a Jew you are, by definition, a modern Jew! Or do you only follow some ancient Jewish texts and practices? What kind of Jew are you? These two phrases "if you believe there is a God" and "everything is going according to his plan" are not logically connected. Which "God" has a plan? What if I believe in the wrong "God"? What if YOU believe in the wrong "God"? What if a different "God" has a plan? Et cetera.
I'm just here to listen to other creation stories, but still rolling my eyes while you claim the Hebrew accounts are just copies of other stories. Maybe I clicked on the atheist meet up lol.
How is this proving Bible mythical or false? The knowledge of creation or the great flood is written in many cultures and is narrated to reflect their own tradition and culture..every generation like us has asked the same question, where did we come from and hence they created a story to answer this mystery to fit their culture connecting their own God and goddesses .. it only proves that man like the broken telephone message carried different conclusion and stores evolved generation after generation... One has to be completely irrational to assume everything in existence was just an accident set precisely to be able to function with intelligence. The spiritual is beyond the human logic and thinking...
2 of the greatest enemies to the Truth are false believers and the deconverted. one attempts to pervert the purity of the Truth of the Source of all love and make true life dead. the other has come and seen and tasted the Truth and felt and experienced His love and turned away because they couldn't reciprocate the smallest amount of love for their Creator and instead enveloped theirselves in lies because they were unwilling to stay and fight for Him and instead they were lovers of their self and are concurrently against their very being in the deepest way. how ignorant can you be and still be a believer? from the beginning false believers have perverted the Truth in attempt to manipulate it and believers. GOD uses what was intended for evil for good and they merely gathered what was already existent, if anything. evil takes every form against the Truth and false believers have been contrary since inception. they suppressed the Truth and persecuted believers and made a false structure to attempt to control what is free for every individual. they have manifested perverse works and have attempted to debase our very Truth (if that was even possible). from its origin they saw opportunity and it had the heart of antichrist. many catholics have no idea what relation with Jesus is because it is a false and dead system that only serves as a detriment to the Truth and stifling barrier that diminishes any sensitivity to the living thing that He intends for us. they have suppressed the Truth from the beginning but God gave us the Word to discern falsehood as this the next is the person that has come to the Truth and turned away. we all have sufficiency to perceive what things are and we have sensitivity to recognize that the Truth is real. we have things that will test our faith as this realm is contrary to Him but everything is answerable as the Truth immersed in reality doesn't cease to be at any point. these betrayers have turned with a seared conscience. they have taken up what have you to separate their selves from the reality of Him because they never really wanted Him. they didn't turn to something valid because there is one Truth, they just abandoned their very Salvation and Source because they didn't contain love for their very Creator. they turn from all hope and reject their Truth. they take solace in number of days and in their fabricated reality. then their are the subhumans who reject their true life that is their Salvation and key to their Everlasting and thus are left with literal no hope and then they seek this for another. they abandon the Source of all love, beauty, good, life and light and reject all possible hope and in their destruction they seek this reality for another. God gave them every good qualitative thing that motivates them to keep moving and breathed their very life and didn't withhold His own Son and they received Him only to reject Him. they are against their very existence in the deepest manner and their life is only an illusion. they have turned against their very existence and want to apportion this destruction for another. truly, we are without excuse and there is no basis for rejection. no matter how much one has their self fooled they are not without witting displacement. they know exactly why they are where they are and they have no righteous basis for being contrary to Everything. what's hidden is that we all perceive what things are. we don't have to take our hearts out and integrate them to perceive the underlying overarching actuality of the purpose of us. we are realized and then we realize ourselves. God gives us a blank canvas and then we move and relative to the Truth and actualize who we are. this is merely a medium. the Truth has happened and it was moved to be produced in its form to serve as total sufficiency as it couples with our hearts that recognize it. we didn't transcend our Source and become minds. our Source is sentient and this place is logically incomplete. where is our answer? the Truth has happened and it is recorded and we have sensitivity to perceive its reality with exposure (and then it's modifying). Jesus is written on the world and moreso and brothers and sisters all over the world are willing to die for Him because they know that He's real and that's not removed from any. all the non truths don't invalidate the one Truth and the Truth is the only thing that answers this place. there is an intended Way and it happened as it had to and faith serves as vehicle for honest choice of God. we all understand very base reality-that we are created and that Jesus is real but many aren't willing to come to terms with it. many aren't willing to come to God on God's perfect terms. there are two scenarios-choice or rejection and there is no valid contrary position to our very Creator. those that abandon Him invariably don't contain love for Him that gave all because everything is answerable and indeed they have sufficient sensitivity to things. they felt His love and understood the reality of things but in their turning, they made their decision to turn away from Him who gave all for what He gave. they want to have everything that He gave and be left alone. there is nothing to be found in the convolution. there will never be anything produced or provided as you cannot create foreign substance from something unless it has inbuilt capacity. there is one manner of transcendence but these liars operate in what is guaranteed to pass. they by definition have no hope as they have rejected their very Truth and then what reason to they have for influencing for such? to deny another's relation with their very Creator and their Salvation? or rather is it because they in hate, want to oppose the Source of all love (by definition as love isn't an emergent property of reality)? these two are the most potent enemies of our very Truth to this existence because they have come to the purest love only to betray it. i wouldn't call one that adheres to a non truth an enemy because they just merely haven't come yet. i am strongly staked against these though because they have drawn near to the Source of all love and life to only betray it. they are not only for their own destruction in the deepest possible way but they are that for others. they are for hell
jacob etc: You spin an awful lot of words in your effort to continue to believe what you believe. If you have good, credible evidence for the existence of a "God", present it. If you do not, give up the belief.
We dont need the babylonian myths, the truth is in the Word of God, this venture you are on is pointless. You never came to a point or conclusion that made sense.
I think this is my new favourite channel. You lay it out so clearly.
I agree.
Just curious;where did those people that you mention get their sources from maybe their imagination.i would like the doctor scholar to explain please
Dr. M. Monger is an excellent teacher and scholar! Thank you, Dr.Monger for creating this channel.💖💖
Invaluable info! Unpacking the language of the Bible is my greatest area of interest, as it is what pushed me over the edge when I was leaving the faith. It’s tough to find resources that dive into the myths that surrounded Judaism at its birth in a manner such as this: accessible, directly quoting the ancient scripts, and tying them to the claims of the Bible in detail. Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge. Look forward to the growth of the channel and learning much more.
Agreed! Anytime you look for biblical info, it's skewed by the Christian lens. The reality is actually more fascinating
I've always suspected that Hebrew ideology was influenced by more ancient myths and ideas. You spell everything out so clearly!! Thank you, Dr Monger.
Also, Roman royalty wrote the bible. They included slavery as part of the concept as they benefited from their work and could continue their wealthy lifestyle. It continues to this day! The British royalty are direct descendents of the authors of the bible. Thus, the 'gods' (they were considered gods) could *rest* from *their* labour! But the 'slaves' continue working...
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic Abrahamic religion itself is plagiarised for gods sake they became Monothesist after adopting Zoroastrian concepts like angles and an eternal enemy , eternal hell , and paradise taking the numerous names of their dieties and making them terms of there now monotheistic god.
Great job man! I love what you are doing to shed light on the fact the the bible is just a copy of other old traditions, myths and legends. Thanks Dr. Monger!
After watching countless videos, and reading many books on these topics, the idea of ET's or Star beings having their hand in everything makes sense to me.
There is some interesting video interviews with Grand Master Templar Timothy Hogan, where he exposes many of the ancient secrets...one of them being that the bones of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, John the Baptist along with children they had are preserved in their care. Timothy states that Jesus snd John's head's are elongated. This is very intriguing, and would explain how Mary could have been a case of an obduction...also why John and Jesus had such powerful capabilities, as did the pharaohs.
I will add that at 7 years of age, I had an experience with a being of light that manifested in my bedroom...this being looked light skinned, light blue eyes, and very blonde silky hair. I was told that I am never alone. I felt safe and loved. I was told and shown a star that I am connected to. I didn't talk to anyone about this until I was an adult. I knew no one in my family would have believed it. To this day(now I am 62) the memory is crystal clear, and I absolutely feel that i am never alone.
It was not a dream.
What is your opinion on Timothy Hogan?
Thank you.
Thank you. Very well present, and informative.
As a former Catholic (now atheist), the Old Testament was never emphasized since it was considered the covenant that Jesus superseded and made irrelevant (except, of course, for the parts that were conveniently considered a prophecy of Jesus as the Messiah). I’m very much enjoying the historical and literary origins of these myths as part of the larger pantheon that humans created to explain existence. Thank you for sharing your expertise.
Thank you, Dr. Monger. This is my new favorite channel now also. Can’t wait for your next video!
Thank you Dr. Matt. Very concise and action-packed presentation. Going back to the foundational texts really brings the well-known Bible stories to life.
The cultural building blocks, which so much more was based upon. Like the Star Trek transporter lol allows us to imagine, moving things instantly. Its been used in so many more and various situations in pop culture since it was introduced.
I really enjoyed the video. The visual aids were great. Thanks for this insight.
Great content. Thank you for sharing.
Also, "..... The gardening instrument"😂
Thanks for this. Very excited to see what this channel will bring in the future
This is a comment to please the gods of the algorithm. I really like your content so far, you're very knowledgeable and present your points really well. Keep up the good work!
Excellent breakdown.
Best new addition to atheist and Bible scholar content
Well that was fun.
Keeo them coming
This might be what i need to get rid of the whole terrible thing I was raised with. My interest is peaked.
You might find Piso's Christianity interesting. By Roman Piso.
Loving these. It reminds me of how religions take over a previous faiths holy places. 'this is a special place/special story, but here is how it is to be used in our faith'
6 days late but I've been anticipating your next upload ☺️
Yeah, more of this. 👍👍
Very well explained. Thank You Dr Monger
Blessings and Love 💕 Thank you..more please
Really detailed dive into the original myths, thanks
Glad I found this channel!
Wonderfully done. I remember first uncovering all of this in 2008. We also see later on Orpheus or Orphism that the Titans are slayed, resulting in humans being part earthly and part divine.
The clay being mixed with a divine substance immediately makes me think of the Orphic account in which the Titans eat baby Dionysus, Zeus strikes them with thunderbolt and humans are created out of the ash, so that every human has a divine substance mixed in their body.
Avery interesting outline, I am still reading the flood account of the Sumerian/Akkadian tale! I always wondered if there was a word for lady or Queen, now I have my answer to at least one of them. I have the book by Dr. Bowen on learning the Sumerian language, now that you have this channel I can learn from you too! Thank you Dr.Monger!
Excellent understandable presentation, I am looking forward to future videos.
7:00 The protestor placard is fun though
I've been studding this for years! Good to hear this. Please contact me.
Wow, amazing video, Dr. Monger!!! I didn't know about the lady of the rib connection, I've heard that the term there for rib (צלע) could also refer to the side of something, so do we translate it rib here because of the context of the verse?
Thank you for your great work! 🙏
"According to this myth, the infant Dionysus is killed, torn apart, and consumed by the Titans. In retribution, Zeus strikes the Titans with a thunderbolt, turning them to ash. From these ashes, humanity is born. In Orphic belief, this myth describes humanity as having a dual nature: body (Ancient Greek: σῶμα, romanized: sôma), inherited from the Titans, and a divine spark or soul (Ancient Greek: ψυχή, romanized: psukhḗ), inherited from Dionysus." ~ Wikipedia/Orphism
What do think about the translation of rib as side. Seems to be the more common use of the word in the OT at least. ?
The part about Eve, quite fascinating
Not sure if this is something you want to cover in future videos, but do you take "in the image of elohim" in Genesis 1:27 to refer to the humanoid body plan (because some elohim were male and some were female)?
that was insanely good and satisfying - WOW
Awesome info, thanks!
I really appreciate this comparison. As you discuss the Hebrew names, compared with the Babylonian I am curious about your use of "Elohim." I have heard others suggest that Elohim is plural, and more comparable with modern Christianity "trinity" where Eloheynu is the more revered, prayed to, father deity. Do you see any equivalent Hebrew mother deity that would correspond to the Babylonian mother deity?
What does Eve's Mesopotamian origin say about the dating of the 2nd creation narrative? I'd guess it was probably an exilic author.
Directly influenced from ancient Babylonian myths 👍
Could we get links to these writings in English, please?
Like the Dewey Decimal System to order books on shelves in the library, Moses was the Teacher, orally speaking on a daily basis , during the Exodus a teaching method of sermons for each day, while the people trekked through the desert, six days, every evening , standing on a rock , often in the Moonlight, Moses using Aaron to amplify his voice put his lessons into this system of daily segments which repeated weekly and devoted each unique day of a week to a unique subject pertaining to explaining how God created the world. So the observing of time was by Moses, not originally God but God was with Moses in this new order of a new world that was being made, with a daily lesson plan, to teach and set to order the lessons to a method of recording the sessions. So every first day Moses would teach about the Beginning and the Light. On each second day Moses spoke about elements of materialism , waters etc. So each day became correlated to a subject, just like you use the Dewey Decimal System to quickly find a book on a subject or topic, which a number system filed the books so you can find them on the shelves. So when God made the World in Six Days, it was in context of Moses directed by God, in the Exodus to teach subjects about Creation , and the New World Order being made, assigned to a system to keep the teaching system orderly. Every sixth day, Moses taught about human history right up to the point of the current moment of the Exodus itself, and then the Seventh Day, the entire camp rested, and Moses did not teach a sermon on the mount but blessed the day of rest. This was repeated for forty years during the Exodus, but readers of the Bible do not catch on readily , but if you read the Creation Account in the Book of Job, and fail to find a Seven Day Lesson Plan, then you see that when God created the world, there was no such observance of time at all, but it took that time to TEACH about Creation , and that is how God made or explained the World in Creation in Six Days, the time was consumed by Moses and the Israelites in the Exodus, who had this system of Oral Teaching , day by day. When God was alone in creating the world, God was not needing a Day of Rest. God imposed a Day of Rest for the TEACHING about Creation and the Law, Time was imposed for the benefit of the People, who did not observe time the way God sees the matter.
Curious? Looking very scientifically - could this be a cloning process?
On the sixth day, God fashioned a man from clay and breathed life into him, and placed him in the garden of Eden, where he was supplied with everything he could need. And after a couple of weeks, God came to the garden and spoke to Adam :
"Hi Adam. How's it all going? How do you like my creation?
Adam : "It's wonderful. I have fruit from the trees and air to breathe. I am warmed by the sun and I can bathe in the streams. I want for nothing ... almost!"
God : "Almost?"
Adam "Well, I'm lonely. The bull has his cow, the deer has his roe - but I have nobody. I would like a partner to talk to"
God : "I have lived alone for a long time, and I'm quite happy - I made you in my image, so I thought you'd feeel the same way. But, OK, I can make you a partner. To make her compatible with you, I will make her from a part of your body. What do ypou have in mind?
Adam : "I have seen that when I peel back the surface of a leaf, I can see tiny cells in it, and I would like to discuss this, and many other aspects of nature with her. And when I look at the night sky, I would like to talk to her about the white band of light across the sky, and the reason why it is there. I would like to discuss where the rain comes from, and why a rainbow forms if the sun is low"
God : "I see the kind of partner you want - but it won't be easy. It'll cost you an arm and a leg"
Adam : "Ah! ..... what can I get ... for .... like half a rib?"
Don't be offended, Ladies - there's also a version of that story from the other side of the gender divide.
Haha, love it!!! And I'm a woman.
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic Well, especially for you ...
God creates his masterpiece, calls her Eve, and puts her in the garden. After a couple of weeks, he visits, and she tells him "Everything's good - but I have a problem with these three breasts"
God "Ah! What's the problem? I gave lots of the animals four legs and six teats, so I thought you'd be OK with three"
Eve "Well, the middle one pushes the other two outwards, and they get scratched when passing between the bushes in the garden."
So God reaches down and plucks the middle breast away and tosses it among the bushes.
Next time he visits, Eve tells him that she's happy - but lonely. God says "Then I shall make you a partner from a part of your body. Now let's see ... what did I do with that useless tit?
You should watch the late Dave Allen version.
“God created Adam and put him in the garden. Adam spent his time working in the garden, playing with the animals, enjoying the flowers and the nice weather.
After a while God looked down… and saw that Adam was perfectly happy…..”
The video is on RUclips: I tried to write the joke down but the effect is not as good.
@@pansepot1490 Dave Allen is hilarious!!
@@pansepot1490 Thanks, Panse. Dave Allen is always good value. I'll look up the one you're talking about.
I can totally embrace our creation through a genetic process and have felt this way for a long time. Evolution simply does not ring true. So, man being created after the other animals makes sense to me. All of this said, with all the conflict known before and after with other gods, I can also easily embrace an option of Love and Justice being laid out as an option. The best way to piss anyone off in life as we know it, is to show love in the face of adversity. It's a powerful strategy.
notthe etc: "Evolution simply does not ring true." - This is potentially an argument from personal incredulity. The fact that it does not "ring true" to you, does not alter the fact that it is as solid a piece of science as we possess. Remember, all reputable experts in the field, most well-informed lay(wo)men and, indeed, the vast majority of theists have no difficulty accepting biological evolution. What this suggests is that you should take some time to study evolution. I found Richard Dawkins' books extremely helpful as a starting point. Here on Yt you could look at the channels of Creation Myths, Gutsick Gibbon, Jackson Wheat, PZ Myers, AronRa ...
I wish you good luck in your studies. When you finally come to realise that homo sapiens is a rather remarkable member of the ape family, it gives you a whole new and enriching perspective on the world and our place in it.
How do scholars know that the Sumerian stories are earlier than the Hebrew stories? Could the earliest Hebrew stories have been lost?
There are a number of literary arguments, but the most important historical reason is that the Sumerian and Old Babylonian stories were written down before Hebrew existed as a language.
@@Biblemonger how do we know when Hebrew was developed?
@@leslieviljoen Hebrew developed from the Canaanite branch of the North-West Semitic languages in the late bronze age/early iron age. Up until about 1400-1200 BCE Hebrew wasn't a thing. The earliest certain Hebrew manuscripts/inscriptions are dated to around 1000 BCE - before that things are Canaanite.
@@Biblemonger thank you!
The differences outweigh the similarities.
not really
Red Ochar? The Clay substance?
Your dog is cute.
about 8:50 you talk about the gods spitting on the clay. whoa!! (flash fwd to Jesus spitting on clay and anointing a man's eyes)
Lol. Don't forget that story was taken from Emporer Vespasian who was encouraged to do this and he healed a blind man. He also healed a lame man. He was part of the royal family that wrote the bible.
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic I didn't forget. LOL I never knew!.Thanks! :)
@@mdevilden haha! You're welcome. Vespasian also healed a lame man. His son, Titus called himself the Son of Man. He was the one, speaking as jesus, that this generation shall not die till all be fulfilled...he destroyed Jerusalem and left not one stone upon another. He also began his military campaign on the SEA of Galilee and when the jews fled from them he speared them like fish and said he was a fisher of men...
Are there universities where ancient near eastern PhD students are required to learn French in addition to german?
Thank you for sharing your work! Dr. Monger, are you still open to the idea that there is a deity of sorts that has been interpreted differently throughout time, culture and religions? That science and DNA and quantum physics are saying there must have been some intelligence and "creation" taking place (not at all referencing the Bible)?
meganbotterill: I hope he will have time to respond to you. For my part, I would point out that DNA and quantum physics are NOT suggesting any kind of intelligent agent involved in the process. The only scientists I have encountered who might like to see it that way are "God" believers and, quite often, are not reputable experts in the relevant fields. The bottom line is that one cannot assert that "God" did anything unless and until we have a "God" to examine. To put it another way, we cannot say "the butler did it" without first having a butler to point to.
@@Nai61awhy does anything exist in the first place? I’m agnostic these days but common sense leads me to believe that there must be some cause for all of these effects
@@tylerdavis520 Yt is driving me mad. I replied to this a while ago and I cannot see my response. If you can see THIS message, please let me know and I will try to reconstruct what I said previously.
@@Nai61a yeah, I can see this
@@tylerdavis520 Thank you. Let me try again.
Why do you assume that it should NOT exist? Why do you assume that non-existence (or "nothing") is the default setting? It seems to me that this is what religion does to us.
As to causes and effects, I can grant that there could be (or even MUST be, if you like) an instantiating cause and that would get us no nearer to a "God". Everything we observe is material, physical, chemical and, often, organic. I can see no reason to suppose that the instantiating "cause" would be anything other that material, physical etc.
I want to hear about Jesus in the context of these sayings of his: "If you have the Son, you have the Father. Whoever does not have the son, has not the Father."
And "I am the Α and the Ω."
And why does "את"
appear throughout the OT?
And who/what does את mean? Is it plural, the A/א in company with Ω/ת, or individual Α and also Ω?
Jesus is fictional and copied from the Greek god, Dionysus. The main author of the NT called himself the ALPHA and OMEGA as his name starts with A for Alpha and ends with O for Omega...Arrius Piso. He was Roman royalty and had multiple pseudonyms and aliases. He was proficient in Greek, copied Greek philosophy, which is all through the NT. The NT is actually a family ledger of this royal family aka Emporers/Caesars.
This all does not matter because there was no creation. Evolution, friends.
Mas porque motivo os autores de gênesis escreveram duas histórias que se contradizem? No caso gênesis 1 e 2?
porque la biblia es una recopilación de historias y tradiciones más antiguas. los escribas mantuvieron ambas versiones
One thing that's not always obvious to modern people (and ignored by Judeochristians familiar with molding) is that DUST is NOT useful for molding (and is certainly NOT IDENTICAL WITH CLAY).
Sure there are a bazillion Mesopotamian elements there, but not clay molding. I think "formed" should be understood more "vague/abstract" than specific molding.
"DUST" is just a metaphor that references the EXPERIENTIAL reality of CORPSES being BURIED in the GROUND. Perhaps "made of dust" need not be taken more literally than "heart of gold/stone"
I do think clay makes sense in Mesopotamia though. The interesting thing about clay is that it is soft and moldable when wet, but dusty when dry. Anyway, I agree that dust blowing away makes sense given the reality of corpses decaying and disappearing. And yeah, made of dust is much less metaphorical than heart imagry!
@@Biblemonger I'll think about it. Dr John Walton was the one who wrote books suggesting that literal moulding was not intended.
@@tsemayekekema2918 I don't think people were made from literal clay either, I think it's a myth written by people that knew how to form things with clay and that it's a good image of how people seem to be in one form when living but another when dead. It's a nice metaphor that people still use, so i don't see why god(s) moulding people from clay as a metaphor for creation would be unintended
@@Biblemonger I agree with you. My point was that this particular old testament scholar meticulously argued that Genesis 3's reference to "dust" wasn't specific enough to be certain that clay moulding was in fact intended by the author (maybe his argument can only be well evaluated if you read his books, as I'm not sure I'm thoroughly representing him-my memory of it isn't 100% and I haven't read them thoroughly either). He claims that we have gotten used to reading it that way because of tradition. I'm still undecided about his argument though.
Yeah, I don't recall his line of reasoning either. For me dust isn't a big deal - the point is that the stuff from which we are made is also the stuff to which we return. Which is, like you originally said, just experiential reality. Back-forming an idea of people becoming animated by the breath of god is secondary to the reality of people being absorbed back into the earth after they die.
That's why Islam resonates.
I'm not familiar enough with those texts; is Enki a serial perpetrator of daughter incest? Or did I miss something?
Apparently.. 😕
@@Thesortvokter oh alright, just wanted to be sure I heard right
@@tsemayekekema2918 Lots og incestuous activities amongst both Gods and early man, I guess. They didn't deny themselves anything, lol.
In this text that is what Enki does. This is a pretty common depiction in ancient texts - I guess up to the time of the "virgin" Mary and even later gods tend to impregnate their daughters, or humans, usually against their will
i would suggest to not personify the actors, but relate to the action between them, which is the fertilisation process. After all,, Enki eats trees, grown from his spilled semen... not literal
10:40 isn't it more accurate to say "side" rather than rib? If so, is there a translation that could have been used here that says that?
Also, does it specifically say in the text that woman exists solely because man wanted a companion? This "helpmeet" idea seems hugely misogynistic and it would have been good to clarify whether this interpretation is in the text, if it is traditional, or if it is the interpretation you favour yourself, before continuing on to the parallels in older works.
The word can mean rib or side in Hebrew and cognate languages so I don't see why we would take issue with it in the phrase "one of his x."
The text doesn't say that the man wanted a companion, but that God says "it is not good for man to be alone so I will make him a companion/helper." But regardless, yes, the bible is hugely misogynistic.
@@Biblemonger thanks for your quick and concise reply!
If humans came from dust, why is there still dust.
/s
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! Pet your puppy from me 😄
Why dose it say created in one and formed in two
@Crandle Presnel Is it because the clay of the earth was created and out of it god(s) formed man?
KJV doesn't say that
strawhat etc: Beautiful though it is, in some ways, it is probably best to read more modern translations than the KJV.
Lol.. as a so caller dr u did not know that it was man that requested for woman from his heart... it was not God who "begun" to look for a woman for the man...
Um... it was? Read Genesis 2 verse 18. "Then the Lord God said, “I see that it is not good for the man to be alone. I will make the companion he needs, one just right for him.”"
Adam never even says anything to Big g before he makes him a woman.
That feeling when you dont know your own holy book...
@@czipcok1994 u hve no idea what u were talking about.. when God said it was not good for man to be alone who did He bring to Adam? .... and Adam said this is now the bones of my bones and flesh of my flesh.... this is now.... what do u understand by that exclamation?? U need to learn...
@@manugruni5074 Explain to me how do I not know something when I pointed out the bloody verse when god decides to make companion for man? It is after the verse when man names all the animals and finds no companion among them.
You know how creation went better than the bible or something? Point us to the verse mate. Man NEVER asks for a companion. That is your own story you came up with, which in case of your holy book, is called blasphemy. Good job.
@@czipcok1994 let me educate u, it seems u r not smart enough to understand what im telling you, that's y u will only read the bible with your mind and not by the inspiration of the Spirit. When God said "it is not good for man to live alone, let us make a help meet for him (Gen 2:18), why didn't God form a woman for the man? God rather formed animals and brought to the man to help man not a woman.. (Gen 2:19) why? Because that was God's perfect will for man, But after Adam named all the animals and possibly spent sometime with them, the writer says "but unto Adam was not found a help meet for him" why? Because Adam didn't see the animals as complete help meet, He desired more than that.. so God knowing what man desired, formed a woman out of him. So when Adam finally saw the being in front of him, he was happy and said "this is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh" why did he say that? Because at last what he wanted he's gotten it. A being like himself.. that's God's permissive will for him.. so Adam desired for something else other than the animals with him, hence desired for it and God being loving and merciful, looked upon the heart of man and allowed His permissive will to be done.I don't know what u r but the bible is written this way so we can search and allow the Holy Spirit to teach us all truths.
@@manugruni5074 Let me educate you on reading comprehension. First god creates man, THEN decides that he needs a companion, and only later that decision creates woman. God clearly first wants to make a companion for man and only later creates a woman for him all his other creation get rejected.
"The man gave names to all the tame animals, to all the birds in the air, and to all the wild animals. He saw many animals and birds, but he could not find a companion that was right for him. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to sleep very deeply. While he was asleep, God took one of the ribs from the man’s body. Then he closed the man’s skin where the rib had been."
In what part does it say that man wanted a woman? Of course it's addifferent story if YOU know that in his heart he wanted a woman. Then I guess be better call you god cause you know that happened at creation.
We were born Divine but have been brainwashed since birth to be human $laves!!!
Yes! You must know about the origins of Christianity! That's exactly what the purpose was for...make people believe they are 'slaves', which keeps these Roman royals able to live their wealthy lifestyle, without having to work!! #PisoProject #PisosChristianity
It is precisely the same process and transition from the old Torah "Judaism" to the new Torah "Christianity" There is some force that takes humanity through a process and explains it to them according to their ability to understand at the time and according to their need to develop or focus on what this force wants or needs at the moment...Technology, science, psychology, etc... today is the new Torah.
And at the same time, in the Old Testament, truth and accuracy are woven into the stories, mainly in words and numbers that are still relevant even today.
talirubinnow: Christianity is mainly an invention of "Paul" and his followers, rather as Mormonism is an invention of Joseph Smith et al. The Jews will explain to you why the "Jesus"/Messiah story is nonsense. They are too kind to tell you that there is no good, credible, extra-biblical, contemporary evidence for the existence of the "Jesus" character described in the New Testament, but that is the case. See if you can find some.
@@Nai61a I am a Jew it’s more complex than that… modern Judaism is not a good source for the truth.
If you believe there is a God then everything is going according to his plan!that is my bottom line.
@@talirubinnow I am not sure I understand your point about modern Judaism. After all, if you are a Jew you are, by definition, a modern Jew! Or do you only follow some ancient Jewish texts and practices? What kind of Jew are you?
These two phrases "if you believe there is a God" and "everything is going according to his plan" are not logically connected. Which "God" has a plan? What if I believe in the wrong "God"? What if YOU believe in the wrong "God"? What if a different "God" has a plan? Et cetera.
I'm just here to listen to other creation stories, but still rolling my eyes while you claim the Hebrew accounts are just copies of other stories. Maybe I clicked on the atheist meet up lol.
How is this proving Bible mythical or false? The knowledge of creation or the great flood is written in many cultures and is narrated to reflect their own tradition and culture..every generation like us has asked the same question, where did we come from and hence they created a story to answer this mystery to fit their culture connecting their own God and goddesses .. it only proves that man like the broken telephone message carried different conclusion and stores evolved generation after generation...
One has to be completely irrational to assume everything in existence was just an accident set precisely to be able to function with intelligence.
The spiritual is beyond the human logic and thinking...
But you are thinking about it 🤣🤣
A goddess is a demon
He explains about Babylon. Those books of Moses were written before Israelites are deported in Babylon. No sense.
2 of the greatest enemies to the Truth are false believers and the deconverted. one attempts to pervert the purity of the Truth of the Source of all love and make true life dead. the other has come and seen and tasted the Truth and felt and experienced His love and turned away because they couldn't reciprocate the smallest amount of love for their Creator and instead enveloped theirselves in lies because they were unwilling to stay and fight for Him and instead they were lovers of their self and are concurrently against their very being in the deepest way.
how ignorant can you be and still be a believer? from the beginning false believers have perverted the Truth in attempt to manipulate it and believers. GOD uses what was intended for evil for good and they merely gathered what was already existent, if anything. evil takes every form against the Truth and false believers have been contrary since inception. they suppressed the Truth and persecuted believers and made a false structure to attempt to control what is free for every individual. they have manifested perverse works and have attempted to debase our very Truth (if that was even possible). from its origin they saw opportunity and it had the heart of antichrist. many catholics have no idea what relation with Jesus is because it is a false and dead system that only serves as a detriment to the Truth and stifling barrier that diminishes any sensitivity to the living thing that He intends for us. they have suppressed the Truth from the beginning but God gave us the Word to discern falsehood as this
the next is the person that has come to the Truth and turned away. we all have sufficiency to perceive what things are and we have sensitivity to recognize that the Truth is real. we have things that will test our faith as this realm is contrary to Him but everything is answerable as the Truth immersed in reality doesn't cease to be at any point. these betrayers have turned with a seared conscience. they have taken up what have you to separate their selves from the reality of Him because they never really wanted Him. they didn't turn to something valid because there is one Truth, they just abandoned their very Salvation and Source because they didn't contain love for their very Creator. they turn from all hope and reject their Truth. they take solace in number of days and in their fabricated reality. then their are the subhumans who reject their true life that is their Salvation and key to their Everlasting and thus are left with literal no hope and then they seek this for another. they abandon the Source of all love, beauty, good, life and light and reject all possible hope and in their destruction they seek this reality for another. God gave them every good qualitative thing that motivates them to keep moving and breathed their very life and didn't withhold His own Son and they received Him only to reject Him. they are against their very existence in the deepest manner and their life is only an illusion. they have turned against their very existence and want to apportion this destruction for another. truly, we are without excuse and there is no basis for rejection. no matter how much one has their self fooled they are not without witting displacement. they know exactly why they are where they are and they have no righteous basis for being contrary to Everything. what's hidden is that we all perceive what things are. we don't have to take our hearts out and integrate them to perceive the underlying overarching actuality of the purpose of us. we are realized and then we realize ourselves. God gives us a blank canvas and then we move and relative to the Truth and actualize who we are. this is merely a medium. the Truth has happened and it was moved to be produced in its form to serve as total sufficiency as it couples with our hearts that recognize it. we didn't transcend our Source and become minds. our Source is sentient and this place is logically incomplete. where is our answer? the Truth has happened and it is recorded and we have sensitivity to perceive its reality with exposure (and then it's modifying). Jesus is written on the world and moreso and brothers and sisters all over the world are willing to die for Him because they know that He's real and that's not removed from any. all the non truths don't invalidate the one Truth and the Truth is the only thing that answers this place. there is an intended Way and it happened as it had to and faith serves as vehicle for honest choice of God. we all understand very base reality-that we are created and that Jesus is real but many aren't willing to come to terms with it. many aren't willing to come to God on God's perfect terms. there are two scenarios-choice or rejection and there is no valid contrary position to our very Creator. those that abandon Him invariably don't contain love for Him that gave all because everything is answerable and indeed they have sufficient sensitivity to things. they felt His love and understood the reality of things but in their turning, they made their decision to turn away from Him who gave all for what He gave. they want to have everything that He gave and be left alone. there is nothing to be found in the convolution. there will never be anything produced or provided as you cannot create foreign substance from something unless it has inbuilt capacity. there is one manner of transcendence but these liars operate in what is guaranteed to pass. they by definition have no hope as they have rejected their very Truth and then what reason to they have for influencing for such? to deny another's relation with their very Creator and their Salvation? or rather is it because they in hate, want to oppose the Source of all love (by definition as love isn't an emergent property of reality)?
these two are the most potent enemies of our very Truth to this existence because they have come to the purest love only to betray it. i wouldn't call one that adheres to a non truth an enemy because they just merely haven't come yet. i am strongly staked against these though because they have drawn near to the Source of all love and life to only betray it. they are not only for their own destruction in the deepest possible way but they are that for others. they are for hell
Yawn yawn yawning
Open your eyes and look around at evolution,
jacob etc: You spin an awful lot of words in your effort to continue to believe what you believe. If you have good, credible evidence for the existence of a "God", present it. If you do not, give up the belief.
@@Nai61a there is no evidence for god.
@@QuestionThingsUseLogic So far, after 61 years of asking, it certainly looks that way!
We dont need the babylonian myths, the truth is in the Word of God, this venture you are on is pointless.
You never came to a point or conclusion that made sense.