Interesting video. In addition to that, talking animals (like the serpent in the garden and Baalim's donkey) seem to be a theme in ANE texts. I've run across a few that mentioned talking foxes and one that mentions a talking raven dubbed _Enlil and Namzidtara_ from the Old Babylonian Period - 1-10 Nam-zid-tara walked by Enlil, who said to him: "Where have you come from, Nam-zid-tara?" "From Enlil's temple. My turn of duty is finished. I serve at the place of the gudu priests, with their sheep. I am on my way home. Don't stop me; I am in a hurry. Who are you who asks me questions?" 11-18 "I am Enlil." But Enlil had changed his appearance: he had turned into a raven and was croaking. "But you are not a raven, you really are Enlil!" "How did you recognise that I am Enlil, who decrees the destinies?" 17-18 "When your uncle En-me-cara was a captive, after taking for himself the rank of Enlil, he said: "Now I shall know the fates, like a lord." 19-23 "You may acquire precious metals, you may acquire precious stones, you may acquire cattle or you may acquire sheep; but the day of a human being is always getting closer, so where does your wealth lead? Now, I am indeed Enlil, who decrees the fates. What is your name? " 24-27 "My name is Nam-zid-tara (Well-blessed). " "Your fate shall be assigned according to your name: leave the house of your master, and your heirs shall come and go regularly in my temple."
While our earlier in life stories aren't exactly the same, they are so similar in dedication, fire insurance, fear & guilt. Mine included physical abuse. I knew things didn't add up. I learned quickly to question NOTHING in the christian schools or church. Back then, access too a lot of what you & others have shared, I had no access too. But the control, the prejudice, the hate, the reinstilled fear, the constant guilt....I walked away, knowing it was the right thing too do. The guilt I still deal with from talkin' folks into my(at that time) faith.....is overwhelming at times. I am so very thankful for y'all sharing your years of study and knowledge with all of us. It's simply amazing that I can now see and learn where all these stories and texts etc came from. Y'all are amazingly willing to show us truth, without trying to talk over our heads. Thank you Dr Monger, for being a source of truth and education for us.
I just discovered your channel and I binge watched all the videos available so far. Thank you for providing such simple yet insightful information on how the Bible has drawn inspiration from other ancient myths and stories. I hope you'll post more videos in the near future!
This series is fascinating! One thing I hope you can address in a future video: all of these stories are being written in the context of agrarian societies. (Farming utensils, planting trees, etc, as metaphor for creation). Can you dig back further and see how hunter-gatherer beliefs influenced Summarian beliefs?
I love your videos and appreciate your expertise. I'd love to hear your take on the documentary hypothesis -- what makes most sense today based on the most up to date scholarship.
Thank you. The Bull of the Sky. How striking. That definitely makes me think if Taurus. Also, the boatman or ferryman and of course the Serpent (Draco?) We know there was a great interest in the stars. Did they build their stories upon movements in the sky? One can wonder. The Gilgamesh epic of course is far-ancient. I get chills when I think about how the earliest cosmogonies/theogonies may have been assembled by making a story from the sky (that's afterall, Where the "gods" live).. We know the pre-dynastic Egypt was fascinated by the stars, possibly seeing the Nile as the earthen Milky Way or Winter Garden... I wonder what you may feel about the possibility that possibly all our origin stories originate in stars? That's not your discipline I realize, but perhaps you have looked into it? Thanks again for what you are doing.
Heard a interesting theory from a Rabi regarding the choice made in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were created for a purpose, and they delayed that purpose by staying in the Garden of Eden. But taking the responsibility for the lowest level of Creation (Earth) had to be a CHOICE. God wasn't mad at them, but actually pleased, as they figured out their purpose...
Quick (sorry super specific) question, on your excerpt of Gilgamesh IX 172-176 you have the first line as ‘upon seeing the trees of the gods’. From my oldschool 1969 copy of Pritchard in the same line is translated as ‘on seeing the grove of stones’ - can you help me understand this difference ? The rest is pretty like for like ! Thanks!
Another thing I notice is the way (at least in the English translations of the epic's text you present) there is a kind of repetition of certain phrases in the same statement. Does not this Too imitate how the ancient Hebrew Genesis was written? Thanks
Worth the subscription. I love your image of a wrathful god, but I think Max disagrees; he's into Bast (an Egyptian cat god). On edit, it's weird, to me, that someone would go on a quest for immortality as a reaction to the death of a loved one. If I believe in any magic, it's that we are re-united with our loved ones when we die.
But how do they know about diseases and old age and predatory animals? The conclusion that the Torah was not written as the source or beginning of human existence is clear But the scriptures before prove nothing about its truth, accuracy and relevance.
The garden in Eden is not called paradise in the Hebrew bible. In fact the word paradise does not exist in the Hebrew bible or in the Hebrew language. The word paradise was introduced by the Septuagint translation into Greek. Also the Greek word for paradise it is used only three times in the Greek scriptures. The idea in the Greek "new testament" of the expression "paradise" has nothing to do with something related to the Earth. If you would like more info, just respond to this comment. Thank you. @VirtualAgape
There is a vast difference between the Gilgamesh story and the Eden Tree-o-Knowledge story. For some reason the Jews who wrote the Torah vilified knowledge. I won't tell you why because nobody knows, but my suspicion is that the "knowledge" that the Jews wrote about is not just ordinary knowledge. Gnosis perhaps, but perhaps not at all.
One can see the Gilgamesh analogy in relationship to Genesis as "the cup is half empty or half full." I say its exceedingly full. The skeptics will opine that the Bible writers stole their storyline from Gilgamesh. I say that Gilgamesh only solidifies the Biblical account. It proves that the knowledge of God and His Divine plan was always there. All humans are born with the Knowledge of God and if we are honest with ourselves we know it to be true.
@@dissidentfairy4264 That is a logical fallacy. Man created all of the gods, and 'we' started doing that long before the tales of Gilgamesh were written down.
Dr Matt, I see that you learn Bible and found many people wrote it with their interpretation based on previous stories. But you should learn the history and origin of Quran, it very much different than Bible. Even Muhammad is iliterate... no possibility he wrote it.. learning Quran originality will bring you very different perspective..
Genesis is based on two templates from antiquity. Creation and self healing monomyth. The analogs change down stream as the religions evolve. Welcome to the commonality that theist's cannot see. The template is true and predates humanities Gods.
Dr Matt, don’t listen to the haters. I’ve learned so much from you Dr Kipp & Dr Josh, keep it up.
You should add "super thanks" to the options, so we listeners can throw in a few bucks.
Found you on MythVision, love your work!
The Phenomenon: We Are Mythvision lol
I love that your videos are short and to the point. Those 1-2 hour long videos are so hard to process and often too much unrelated chatter.
Interesting video. In addition to that, talking animals (like the serpent in the garden and Baalim's donkey) seem to be a theme in ANE texts. I've run across a few that mentioned talking foxes and one that mentions a talking raven dubbed _Enlil and Namzidtara_ from the Old Babylonian Period -
1-10 Nam-zid-tara walked by Enlil, who said to him: "Where have you come from, Nam-zid-tara?" "From Enlil's temple. My turn of duty is finished. I serve at the place of the gudu priests, with their sheep. I am on my way home. Don't stop me; I am in a hurry. Who are you who asks me questions?"
11-18 "I am Enlil." But Enlil had changed his appearance: he had turned into a raven and was croaking. "But you are not a raven, you really are Enlil!" "How did you recognise that I am Enlil, who decrees the destinies?"
17-18 "When your uncle En-me-cara was a captive, after taking for himself the rank of Enlil, he said: "Now I shall know the fates, like a lord."
19-23 "You may acquire precious metals, you may acquire precious stones, you may acquire cattle or you may acquire sheep; but the day of a human being is always getting closer, so where does your wealth lead? Now, I am indeed Enlil, who decrees the fates. What is your name? "
24-27 "My name is Nam-zid-tara (Well-blessed). " "Your fate shall be assigned according to your name: leave the house of your master, and your heirs shall come and go regularly in my temple."
I love the idea that snakes are immortal because they shed their skin
It's weird how that ties into resurrection themes and eternal life (shedding a physical body, for a new spiritual body.)
I’m greatly enjoying your channel! Thank you so much!
While our earlier in life stories aren't exactly the same, they are so similar in dedication, fire insurance, fear & guilt. Mine included physical abuse. I knew things didn't add up. I learned quickly to question NOTHING in the christian schools or church. Back then, access too a lot of what you & others have shared, I had no access too. But the control, the prejudice, the hate, the reinstilled fear, the constant guilt....I walked away, knowing it was the right thing too do. The guilt I still deal with from talkin' folks into my(at that time) faith.....is overwhelming at times. I am so very thankful for y'all sharing your years of study and knowledge with all of us. It's simply amazing that I can now see and learn where all these stories and texts etc came from. Y'all are amazingly willing to show us truth, without trying to talk over our heads. Thank you Dr Monger, for being a source of truth and education for us.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Thanks Dr Matt. I'd like to say Derek sent me, but I chose of my own free will to be here.... or did I...?
It was al gore who sent me here, indirectly. That man's got rhythm.
7:32 😂 the angry pup was perfect
I’m happy you’re making these videos for us.
7:30 I would never guess that *that* is how the gods looked like. But now I understand!
I just discovered your channel and I binge watched all the videos available so far. Thank you for providing such simple yet insightful information on how the Bible has drawn inspiration from other ancient myths and stories.
I hope you'll post more videos in the near future!
Thank you so much for your work on these old stories......so much to learn .
Thanks 🙏🏾 sooooooo much I feel like now I have come to the truth about the Bible. I for ever will appreciate you for bringing me in to light.
Love this channel man!
Thank you for sharing this. So refreshing!
This series is fascinating! One thing I hope you can address in a future video: all of these stories are being written in the context of agrarian societies. (Farming utensils, planting trees, etc, as metaphor for creation). Can you dig back further and see how hunter-gatherer beliefs influenced Summarian beliefs?
keep up the good work.
This was great. I hope there are many more videos to come...
Thank you for your videos
Bereshith's serpent in Eden is a conflation of the harlot Shamhat and the snake Ningizzada in the epic of Gilgamesh.
Thank you 🎉
Most impressive storyteller! you have stolen my heart. Greatly delighted I am to hear anew the stories of old.
I love your videos and appreciate your expertise. I'd love to hear your take on the documentary hypothesis -- what makes most sense today based on the most up to date scholarship.
Super interesting stuff here, ancient people and ancient religions/civilizations is so cool. I wish I could go back time
Thank you. The Bull of the Sky. How striking. That definitely makes me think if Taurus. Also, the boatman or ferryman and of course the Serpent (Draco?) We know there was a great interest in the stars. Did they build their stories upon movements in the sky? One can wonder. The Gilgamesh epic of course is far-ancient. I get chills when I think about how the earliest cosmogonies/theogonies may have been assembled by making a story from the sky (that's afterall, Where the "gods" live).. We know the pre-dynastic Egypt was fascinated by the stars, possibly seeing the Nile as the earthen Milky Way or Winter Garden... I wonder what you may feel about the possibility that possibly all our origin stories originate in stars? That's not your discipline I realize, but perhaps you have looked into it? Thanks again for what you are doing.
The idea that there could be an eternal life is so strange to me.
Nothing on earth is eternal.
I love this stuff
Heard a interesting theory from a Rabi regarding the choice made in the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve were created for a purpose, and they delayed that purpose by staying in the Garden of Eden. But taking the responsibility for the lowest level of Creation (Earth) had to be a CHOICE. God wasn't mad at them, but actually pleased, as they figured out their purpose...
Quick (sorry super specific) question, on your excerpt of Gilgamesh IX 172-176 you have the first line as ‘upon seeing the trees of the gods’. From my oldschool 1969 copy of Pritchard in the same line is translated as ‘on seeing the grove of stones’ - can you help me understand this difference ? The rest is pretty like for like ! Thanks!
Another thing I notice is the way (at least in the English translations of the epic's text you present) there is a kind of repetition of certain phrases in the same statement. Does not this Too imitate how the ancient Hebrew Genesis was written? Thanks
Has anyone found underwater plants fitting that description?
Hi Matt wondering if you have any thoughts on the death of the gods in the Hebrew Bible
Ah, the cry of the ittidu-bird... classic
Worth the subscription. I love your image of a wrathful god, but I think Max disagrees; he's into Bast (an Egyptian cat god). On edit, it's weird, to me, that someone would go on a quest for immortality as a reaction to the death of a loved one. If I believe in any magic, it's that we are re-united with our loved ones when we die.
You use AI for all the images?
I came over from Mythvision
thanks a lot snake
The differences far outweigh the similarities.
Really ? What exactly are you using as a scale ?
Snakes in the garden (think of the Sanhedrin 1st century) Tree of Life....(think of Christ)
But how do they know about diseases and old age and predatory animals? The conclusion that the Torah was not written as the source or beginning of human existence is clear
But the scriptures before prove nothing about its truth, accuracy and relevance.
The garden in Eden is not called paradise in the Hebrew bible. In fact the word paradise does not exist in the Hebrew bible or in the Hebrew language. The word paradise was introduced by the Septuagint translation into Greek. Also the Greek word for paradise it is used only three times in the Greek scriptures. The idea in the Greek "new testament" of the expression "paradise" has nothing to do with something related to the Earth. If you would like more info, just respond to this comment. Thank you. @VirtualAgape
I think you are confusing the modern meaning of the word paradise with its original meaning.
There is a vast difference between the Gilgamesh story and the Eden Tree-o-Knowledge story. For some reason the Jews who wrote the Torah vilified knowledge. I won't tell you why because nobody knows, but my suspicion is that the "knowledge" that the Jews wrote about is not just ordinary knowledge. Gnosis perhaps, but perhaps not at all.
One can see the Gilgamesh analogy in relationship to Genesis as "the cup is half empty or half full." I say its exceedingly full. The skeptics will opine that the Bible writers stole their storyline from Gilgamesh. I say that Gilgamesh only solidifies the Biblical account. It proves that the knowledge of God and His Divine plan was always there. All humans are born with the Knowledge of God and if we are honest with ourselves we know it to be true.
If we are honest with ourselves the knowledge of god is obviously man made.
@@thedarknessthatcomesbefore4279 Actually, it's not. It's inherently in every one of us unless we choose to ignore it.
@@dissidentfairy4264 That is a logical fallacy. Man created all of the gods, and 'we' started doing that long before the tales of Gilgamesh were written down.
@@karldubhe8619 Think as you wish. The truth will eventually reveal itself, but don't say I didn't warn you:-)
@@dissidentfairy4264 You are making a threat in the name of another. It's empty.
Dr Matt, I see that you learn Bible and found many people wrote it with their interpretation based on previous stories. But you should learn the history and origin of Quran, it very much different than Bible. Even Muhammad is iliterate... no possibility he wrote it.. learning Quran originality will bring you very different perspective..
It is still a book of stories having some things in common with the Jewish and Christian texts which preceded it.
Genesis is based on two templates from antiquity. Creation and self healing monomyth. The analogs change down stream as the religions evolve. Welcome to the commonality that theist's cannot see. The template is true and predates humanities Gods.
You're right, Muhammad didn't write the Quran. He plagiarized it from the earlier 'holy' books, just like the writers of the Bible did.
@@danielpaulson8838
"The template is true"
This sounds like a Jordan Peterson gaff.
@@FoursWithin I don't care what Jaberhead Peterson says.