All three shows I have clicked on “just to see” and ended up watching the whole thing through. This show is great. Can’t wait to see Nina! I’m going to sign up tomorrow.
The Death of Democracy: Hitler's Rise to Power and the Downfall of the Weimar Republic By=Benjamin Carter Hett The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism Is Un-American By= Andrew L. Seidel The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism By= Katherine Stewart Thomas Paine and the Clarion Call for American Independence By= Harlow Giles Unger The Book That Changed America: How Darwin's Theory of Evolution Ignited a Nation By= Randall Fuller The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe By= Steven Novella A History of Western Philosophy By= Bertrand Russell Authoritarian Nightmare: Trump and His Followers By= Bob Altemeyer and John Dean Dominion: How the Christian Revolution remade the World. By= Tom Holland The Age of Catastrophe: A History of the West 1914 - 1945. By= Heinrich August Winkler. - Just a couple of the books I read in the last three months that all include history, politics , critical thinking skills & philosophy. I'm obviously a atheist, social Democrat that also believes in enlightenment values, Evolutionary theory and believe it is important to know the past of both of my "homes " ( grew up in Berlin reside in the US since 2001 )...these aren't the best books I have read but my favorites are all in science and European history categories ( besides Religion ).
@@Tr4cK17 I've been following Rising since February. Through that, I saw a few Kyle videos via recommendations, and eventually subscribed. I like them both, and they ask smart questions. They also don't just mindlessly bash on the right, or more accurately the people who vote Republican, just because they're Republicans. My family is a right leaning family, and in fact my parents voted for Trump both times. (They are horrified by what happened at the Capitol.) They're not the terrible people that the general left slams them for, which is why I like Kyle and Krystal. Because they understand that the way most mainstream leftists do not.
U should buy his books, especially listen liberal which is almost foundational of the current left. All the leftists influencers on RUclips have been moulded by T Franck one way or another
I hope she runs within the people's party for president. I'm really not happy that she didn't raise her voice and get loud about withholding that vote for Nasty Pelosi in order to bring Medicare For All up for a House vote.
Only recently learned who he was but looking forward to checking out his books. Very interesting guy. Respectfully, I think he has a gigantic blind spot with respect to the whole idea of 'technocracy,' which actually seems like it is a necessary blind spot for any historian of such a distinguished rank. Historians vs. technocrats is an interesting dichotomy which this podcast opens up. One person can only do so much in one lifetime. Excellence in any field of study requires studying something to greater and greater degrees of granularity. A historian who delves into the past with such rigor as Frank must - in order to do their job effectively - develop a blind spot for an *ANALYSIS OF **_PRESENT_** CONDITIONS WITH THE OBJECTIVE OF FINDING A RULE FOR ACTION OR PREDICTIVE VALUE,* which is technocracy in the pure sense. Technocrats, true technocrats, are *"PRESENT-ISTS."* It is therefore no surprise that to Frank all technocrats seem like nothing more than people with credentials from fancy schools. Chomsky has this line about if you're a human being frogs all look alike, but if you're a frog your differences with other frogs become life or death, and a similar principle seems to be at play here. Frank seems locked in to a view of technocrats here as venal Ivy-League careerists, which is grossly simplistic. Yes, technocracy can be perverted by elite institutions co-opted by corporate socialism but it can also be employed to analyze present conditions with the same rigor that Frank analyzes historical conditions in order to improve *MATERIAL CONDITIONS,* which is the explicit objective of Andrew Yang's *HUMAN CENTERED CAPITALISM.* Frank's (very understandable) failure to apprehend the nature of technocracy can be seen most starkly whenever he talks about COVID, which incidentally is where American technocracy has produced a vaccine in record time. He seems adamant that Trump did nothing about COVID when the opposite is true: Operation Warp Speed was a resounding success. Operation Warp Speed was the federal government's program to marshal the energies of the private sector towards the creation of a vaccine by creating an incentive structure out of essentially nothing. It was a monumental success of technocracy which Frank writes off completely. He also seems quite hostile to other technocrats in the FDA who approved the vaccine and their trustworthiness, though this impression is admittedly not based on very much information. It is difficult to see Frank's views on COVID as unrelated to his views on technocracy.
The populist Left must let go of its longstanding aversions to technocracy because Frank's premonitions about how this is all going to end up are shared by those of us in the Yang Gang with increasing urgency and foreboding. Biden could be really good or really bad. We don't know yet.
They also don't want you to see that it is YOUR government. Leave it to them, as if they own it. Anything they do would be some sort of charity that would have to come out of THEIR own pockets. Nope, letting you have some of your OWN money BACK to bridge through a tough time and stimulate the economy is in no way charity. It confuses them because they think that it BELONGS to the government, that it is theirs. That isn't what OUR representatives should be doing.
This is why they sabotage *any* South American country that decides to "socialize" their resources - ala, spend the money made from their resources on their own people. If this happens and ANY of those countries begin to flourish, America and its corporate interest must stomp it out or risk the American people seeing an example of what's possible when your leaders aren't just greedy pigs sucking at the trough.
@@ArcaneWolf9 and @Corey Saylor...Spot on! The very same people that have convinced a strong majority of Americans through media and popular culture that government is inept, can't do anything positive for ordinary people, and it's a waste of time to get involved and/or educate yourself with the political process...are ALSO the very same people who've used exactly that political process to amass incredible wealth, shield themselves from all sorts of regulatory and other limiting processes, and create two different Americas: Richistan for them, the ever devolving and increasingly decrepit US you and I live in. THIS is, IMO the biggest lie propagated that has adversely affected ordinary Americans over the last 50 years.
@@ArcaneWolf9 The federal government creates the money. They can do anything, if resources are idle. If American knew how easy it is, the elites would lose power over the people.
@@pl3459 Stop telling everyone what your dad does for a living! I pay him good money for that crap! have some respect, that man has put food on your plate for over a decade! now if you excuse me, I must feed my kids. * slams the internet door* disclaimer: this was a "long reach" joke, please do not take anything said personal. ❤️️
I get the feeling that they aren't cool with Chris Hedges. I don't think I've ever heard either one of them bring up his name. I really hope he gets on here though.
Fantastic! I've listened to an audiobook of Thomas Frank's "Listen, Liberal", absolutely enlightening! Haven't listened yet, but Thomas Frank is doing god's work with his amazing historic accounts!
this guy makes historical events feel like freshly occuring stuff! Makes me feel like I'm there and conected to the flow of history! He's amazing and so fun wow. imagine if all History teachers were like this omg
Interesting enough their platform was based on Land (Which was the main form of wealth at the time) redistribution, Grain dole (UBI but with bread instead of actual money), Debt Relief, and Democratic Reform. I guess it’s a good sign they won in the end.
Well cesar hijacked the populares for his own career, in which he also associated with former conservatives. By the time in which cesar lived actual Roman political factions were mostly dead and power had become a brawl between generals and governors
@@leoskini Oh yeah, Caesar was definitely an opportunist. Just an opportunist with much bigger balls than Trump, and a better mind for military matters.
@@leoskini these is a really good succinct way of putting it. The roman republic had been sort of deteriorating for quite some time and with sulla it was clear it was institutionally unstable in terms of even the patricians themselves being able to "democratically (within only that small population of course) govern the republic. The people of course wanted more actual democracy, like actually including more input from all people not just patricians, however moving away from a somewhat more representative government for at least the privelaged class towards even more exclusive factions and dynasties was a significant change for the worse.
Between Nina Turner coming on the show next week and him being able to talk to Thomas Frank, Kyle was as giddy as a kid in a candy store and I'm living for it 😂👍
While everyone is focused on impeachment, the true culprits are breathing a deep sigh of relief. Instead of dealing with the disease, we are dealing with the symptom.
My dad is a partisan but progressive Democrat (even though he denies his partisanship), and I have spent so much time trying to get through to him, and yesterday when Economic Update showed up on Free Speech TV, Richard Wolff was the one person who managed to penetrate that thick skull. Professor Wolff is not only my favorite economist, but also my favorite living Marxist and favorite political commentator. And I'm saying that as a Marxist. He has this plain-spoken, brutally honest way of getting Marxist concepts across without it being obvious it's Marxist, and I adore and respect him, and can't wait to see him on this show!
Everyone should know that Thomas Frank has a great book titled “Listen, Liberal” detailing the history of the Dems becoming the party of the “professionals”. He also is the founder of a fantastic leftist magazine company called the Baffler. Only forty dollars a year for six issues. Thomas Frank is an OG.
@@TheClayCoKid Meaning like the professionals of High Finance. Wall Street, Ivy League professors, elite social circles, big pharma, tech, and other CEO's, etc. and how they create the revolving door between government and Wall Street. You'll understand better if you read the book. It's a quick read and incredibly enlightening past the normal leftist take of "Well, they're corrupt, that's why they suck". Edit*: to your point of the Republicans conning the bible beaters, the Democrats did just that (as Frank explains in the book) but with "innovation" and "self-righteous virtue" to claim the upper middle class vote. One thread leads to another and I don't mean to bore you with the details in a single RUclips comment. But things of that nature refer to "professionals". I hope this at least offers some form of understanding.
@@PittsburghSonido Are you talking republicans or democrats? Aside from democrats being slightly less evil on issues around smoking pot, gay rights or abortions, they are identical....
@@vegahimsa Krystal, Kyle & Kucks (KKK), the new all KauKasian Korporate libitard Klown show for all-white progressives who think it's still the 1980s where progressives can ignore diverity. Daddup Kuckzo. So many Ks. So many out-of-touch KauKasian DemoKuck Klowns. I'm blinded by the white KauKasian glare..
Next, find Lance Selfa's book The Democrats: A Critical History. It's the original Listen Liberal. But I had to read Listen Liberal before I could handle the critique of Selfa's book.
@@el5880 In a way yes. Let me make an addendum: Socialism doesn't just mean the government has control over things like we are led to believe from capitalist propaganda. Socialism means that the people have control over both their government and their workplace. Why is this such a crucial aspect? Currently under Capitalism, who owns the government? Well, the big businesses and money interests of course. Buy off all politicians. Rig the system in your favor. That's the way all current capitalist societies operate. Under socialism, government would actually be a Democracy because the system wouldnt be set up where there are class divisions. Everyone is a worker, everyone has equal say in their workplace, and from that, everyone has equal say in government. The key aspect our society is missing is WORKPLACE DEMOCRACY. Without it, governmental democracy cannot exist.
@@rwilson9759 To be fair, every us foreign wars since ww2 have NOT justified in the world stage. Yeah, even ww2 has questionable issues like suspicious "false flag" operations, war propaganda from us government. (or excessive use of violence against humanity : nuke) Aside from that, FDR is a war hero in American society.
Excellent logical progression for KK to evolve in such a great way with KB as a guiding mentor. truly a massive step in intellectual analysis and discourse.... Rxvellent job guys!!!!
@@DevilJin01 All the more reason why we need to form a third party to actually have a base within congress to combat the corporate serving dual establishment parties, Nancy Pelosi literally started out as a progressive when she first got in congress and actually advocated for M4A but later on she caved due to pressure from the corruption within the democratic party with all is dirty money bribery from corporations that she herself became a corporatist at the end, this is why reforming the party from within won't work, cause the left are weak and cave in easily unlike the right who are either already corrupt or they're aggressive enough to make leadership within the republican party nervous and give in to demands, so anyone who says third party won't work are fraud bots that are paid to discourage people from getting behind the idea, over here in Puerto Rico we have 3 different left leaning party and they have seats in the house and senate of Puerto Rico, so yes third party can win.
@@madworldisrael7584 well since the vote has already been had, isn't everyone backed off of it? At least until another vote comes. I know Dore still talks about it extensively because it does have aftermath consequences. But in terms of staying on it as a congressperson, not a RUclipsr, how would that make sense when there's no vote to force? The leverage is gone, that's why it was such a pressing matter and so crushing when the fraud squad didn't do it. She fully supported it at its time. What do you expect from her now?
We need to accept as much of Trump’s followers. Don’t chastise them, bring em in to a new movement or party along with non-voters and disenfranchised Democratics. Reverse the cultural war back into a class war. All that people in unity is a MASSIVE majority force far bigger than partisan Dems and Reps
“Elite Failure” Obama will never admit his mistakes. He just continues to blame people for not voting. I disagree with Frank on this: I think Obama did just as much damage as Bill Clinton.
If Bill Clinton Followed Barack Obama he would have crushed it bigger and better than the reverse for Wall Street and Neolibs. Bill was the man who set the table and hired the help. In fact, the Rubinites that worked for Clinton went to work day one for Obama to put together the TPP.
Obama was a failure. The only real policy that was good was the stimulus bill, and maybe some token bills that didn't do much but proclaimed something. He really didn't do much of anything for black people either. He led like a white guy. The HC bill was Mitt's "buy insurance." No walking with unions, he didn't raise the minimum wage enough--worst of all he cut taxes on the wealthiest 2.2% and made some of Bush's tax cuts that were about to expire, permanent. Who'd know tho. The news talked about his birth certificate the whole time.
First comes the Obama then trump. Precisely the praise and the supposed righteousness of Obama, the amount of people that will take the polished exterior and accept it, and then presume and condescend to those who disagree, to the other, the dumb voters that just don't know what's good for them. When you combine that with actually refusing to address the darkest parts of the legacy he inherits it breeds even more resentment. This man was in the pockets of the banks, the military industrial complex, the big tech companies. Those who's interests are most diametrically opposed to those of working people. Without Obama, or a democrat that has those same problems (like Biden for example) we don't get Trump.
Krystal is so smart and articulate and has so much important analysis and she's SO beautiful too it's absurd, I hope if she sees this it doesn't come across as disrespectful. I always look forward to her Radar.
It's possible to have a much better discussion with Kyle than Saagar. Kyle isn't authoritarian and doesn't grin like an idiot when repeatedly proven wrong.
Goes to show that beauty & brains are not in conflict. Marilyn Monroe was a very smart woman (who played dumb brilliantly for a living) -- but back in the day it was considered you had one or the other. I cannot see how it is disrespectful to acknowledge both attributes. STay well, be safe.
Honestly, this long form podcast discussion movement is making it so easy to get informed on issues. Way better than 6 min segment on cable news. Krystal and Kyle are a great duo and every discussion they have with their guests helps me learn about events and policies I hadn't fully understood.
@@quinndawsonosgood5261 In what possible way is he a grifter? He lost his job at the New York Times because he was against the Iraq war. He's an anti-war activist who also spends time tutoring prisoners.
@@krisniznik3953 Hedges uses truths to distract his adherents from the truth. If he isn't grifting, he is the worst political analyst and activist ever.
Because the Obamas inherited what they did, and whoever was before them. He technically couldn't change whatever was desirable as president. Also they're respectable in background, neither have corrupt origins - the Clintons and Bidens do. Obama's 8 years was minimal in overall policy compared to how long Hillary, Bill and Joe dominated Democratic corporate agendas as senators and then presidents (first ladies in Hillary's case). Granted he made some big mistakes, Barack is a unique case in a Democratic president, he thought being his community organizer roots would be enough to lead. He had to become in part one of them, for me Frank admires his temperament and mentality. Obama had organic roots, just turned sour. However, Carter is what Obama SHOULD have been to me.
@@murk4552 Yup like it or not Obama wouldn't have won if he wasn't a neolib because at this point the cancerous tumor of neoliberalism is so big that every president has to believe in the same steaming pile of garbage to get elected.
Obama was able to dribble the ball, there was kinetic energy... The Bidens and Clintons just kinda flail it around to the wind. I'm from Kansas too btw I love this guest.
@@murk4552 dude Obama came in with a supermajority and could have had anything if he wasn't a corrupt asshole war criminal. Go watch the clip of him making fun of flint Michigan residents to their faces
and she runs inside the dem party ? after 2 consecutiv election cycles where she was pretty close to the process and saw what happened to progressives in the dem party.
Joseph Brindley although she did not go all out on ftv no one can deny she’s more willing to stand up to democrats in comparison to any member of the squad or elected progressive.
@@gny.sgt.hartman3740 She will cause nothing but headaches and problems in Congress for the democrats. She will ignite an even deepening rife between the democrats the way she's carrying on. The things she believes is good but the way she conducts her tone isn't good for the party if she's elected to Congress.
@@gunnyo50 Her tone? Jesus, people like you are the reason democrats will stay as corrupt as they always have been. You don't want a rift to expose the real difference between corporate democrats and "progressives"?
I was hoping for more cussing. I get tired of the soap mouth clean commentary from watching political news all the time. It was hilarious hearing Thomas go "is it ok to cuss here?" lol
You guys really went for it with that rug. Nice table though. 😆 I’d recommend going with the mid-century look since you already have the table. Btw I love the show and guests so far. Love Thomas Frank and can’t wait to hear Nina!
John Quincy Adams lost the popular vote and won the electoral college, he lost both in 1828 Benjamin Harrison lost the popular vote and won the electoral college, he lost both in 1892
Adlai Stevenson lost to Dwight David Eisenhower in 1952 and 1956. Grover Cleveland lost once and won twice. William Jennings Bryan lost three times, twice to McKinley and once to Taft.
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His giddiness is contagious. His polite, "Am I allowed to curse?" Every interview lol
kyle is adorable
I love how he asks that question...always worth the wait to see why he asked 🤣
@@steeojabb1 Kyle is soooo adorable for sure
As for giddiness, Free Free SPEECH is talking about Thomas Frank. Just saying.
@@dickderuiter5892 poking fun at kyle is always in the comments...
All three shows I have clicked on “just to see” and ended up watching the whole thing through. This show is great. Can’t wait to see Nina! I’m going to sign up tomorrow.
I cant get over how good the CGI for Kyle's legs its really is almost as if kyle has legs
Its not CGI they're prosthetics which shows a real dedication
😂
I'm at the point to imagine him having TINY legs like that wheelchair dude from Family Guy lol 😜
I’m loving these podcasts but I find myself buying a lot of books after each episode
you'll have a nice bookshelf, behind you at your next Zoom meeting. lol. I do the same you're not alone.
Could you list the books?? I haven't had time to watch their videos all the way through..
@@tigerlily1118 manufacturing consent , Whats the matter with Kansas , Listen Liberal
@@tigerlily1118 Haven't had time to listen/watch this? How quickly do you read that books are faster???
The Death of Democracy: Hitler's Rise to Power and the Downfall of the Weimar Republic
By=Benjamin Carter Hett
The Founding Myth: Why Christian Nationalism Is Un-American
By= Andrew L. Seidel
The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism
By= Katherine Stewart
Thomas Paine and the Clarion Call for American Independence
By= Harlow Giles Unger
The Book That Changed America: How Darwin's Theory of Evolution Ignited a Nation
By= Randall Fuller
The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
By= Steven Novella
A History of Western Philosophy
By= Bertrand Russell
Authoritarian Nightmare: Trump and His Followers
By= Bob Altemeyer and John Dean
Dominion: How the Christian Revolution remade the World.
By= Tom Holland
The Age of Catastrophe: A History of the West 1914 - 1945.
By= Heinrich August Winkler.
- Just a couple of the books I read in the last three months that all include history, politics , critical thinking skills & philosophy. I'm obviously a atheist, social Democrat that also believes in enlightenment values, Evolutionary theory and believe it is important to know the past of both of my "homes " ( grew up in Berlin reside in the US since 2001 )...these aren't the best books I have read but my favorites are all in science and European history categories ( besides Religion ).
“Everything I don’t like is Populist!” - said the elite publication 😂 Kyle killing it with the one liners
Nina, Kyle, and Krystal in the same room is going to be amazing. Keep it up guys!
amazing for who? *the "sheep-herding you into the establishment for make glorious benefit entire donor class" industry?
@@imafonkydonkeyding-dongboy9983 Progressives who want to restructure the entire Democrat party
@@murk4552 like Bernie? LOL (*he fooled you, twice! - 1st one's on him, 2nd X's on you
@@imafonkydonkeyding-dongboy9983 Bernie has done more for progressive's than Jimmy Dore ever will in 10 lifetimes.
Oh not Nina, she's like Swiss table of platitudes. And in this moment, I would rather listen to someone with plan and bald actions.
Probably the most adorable trait of Thomas Frank is his awareness that he talks a lot. Fantastic interview. Bravo!
I literally read this comment AS I was coming up on 45:03 😳
Hahahaha, talkers just love it...it’s why we always have things to say.
I agreed with nearly everything except the part where he said he likes Fauci.
I can't stand Kyle constantly interrupting him
@@TCt83067695 but, Kyle’s a talker as well, so...he’s just vibing high off having one of his favorite people around. ✌️
I had never heard of Thomas Frank before. He's wildly intelligent, and I'm really glad you guys had him on.
He reminded me of khaki Steve Kornacki.
@@Tr4cK17 I've been following Rising since February. Through that, I saw a few Kyle videos via recommendations, and eventually subscribed. I like them both, and they ask smart questions. They also don't just mindlessly bash on the right, or more accurately the people who vote Republican, just because they're Republicans. My family is a right leaning family, and in fact my parents voted for Trump both times. (They are horrified by what happened at the Capitol.) They're not the terrible people that the general left slams them for, which is why I like Kyle and Krystal. Because they understand that the way most mainstream leftists do not.
He's been on Jimmy Dore's show a few times. He's very intelligent and so politically astute. Love Thomas Frank.
Jimmy Dore brings him up all the time as being formative for him.
U should buy his books, especially listen liberal which is almost foundational of the current left. All the leftists influencers on RUclips have been moulded by T Franck one way or another
Krystals fashion style is on point for every goddamn video. Holy crap!
@sayvar44 Yeah, fashion buddy. That's what it is.
It's like Kyle isn't even pretending to have legs anymore.
The second Kyle said "Next week we have the "amazing, brilliant" I knew it was gonna be Nina Turner.
Amazin.
Though if he should have hinted with "hello somebody!"
@Jack Strawb I want to love nina but that was embarrassing.
@Jack Strawb
The Jimmy Dore comment section is 18 blocks over.
You're on the wrong street
@@VileVengeance Kyle supports force the vote as do all true progressives. Are you sure you are in the right place?
I hope she runs within the people's party for president. I'm really not happy that she didn't raise her voice and get loud about withholding that vote for Nasty Pelosi in order to bring Medicare For All up for a House vote.
Listen Liberal is such an important piece of work. Crucially eye-opening
Yes. It made me realize that the Democratic Party is actually the Donorcrat Party.
Love his energy! Some historians/authors are knowledgeable but just seem to communicate the knowledge with a purely objective, cold, robotesque tone.
"I have sort of a gag reflex when I start to be optimistic about democrats..." 🤣
The incline could be steep. Welcome country person. You'll have more fun!
Cris hedges, Cornell west , Richard wolf and Noam Chomsky would all be incredible guests for this podcast.
Thomas Frank is a god damn hero!!! I am so happy!!! “The People, No” is such an amazing book!!!
Only recently learned who he was but looking forward to checking out his books. Very interesting guy. Respectfully, I think he has a gigantic blind spot with respect to the whole idea of 'technocracy,' which actually seems like it is a necessary blind spot for any historian of such a distinguished rank.
Historians vs. technocrats is an interesting dichotomy which this podcast opens up. One person can only do so much in one lifetime. Excellence in any field of study requires studying something to greater and greater degrees of granularity. A historian who delves into the past with such rigor as Frank must - in order to do their job effectively - develop a blind spot for an *ANALYSIS OF **_PRESENT_** CONDITIONS WITH THE OBJECTIVE OF FINDING A RULE FOR ACTION OR PREDICTIVE VALUE,* which is technocracy in the pure sense. Technocrats, true technocrats, are *"PRESENT-ISTS."* It is therefore no surprise that to Frank all technocrats seem like nothing more than people with credentials from fancy schools. Chomsky has this line about if you're a human being frogs all look alike, but if you're a frog your differences with other frogs become life or death, and a similar principle seems to be at play here. Frank seems locked in to a view of technocrats here as venal Ivy-League careerists, which is grossly simplistic.
Yes, technocracy can be perverted by elite institutions co-opted by corporate socialism but it can also be employed to analyze present conditions with the same rigor that Frank analyzes historical conditions in order to improve *MATERIAL CONDITIONS,* which is the explicit objective of Andrew Yang's *HUMAN CENTERED CAPITALISM.*
Frank's (very understandable) failure to apprehend the nature of technocracy can be seen most starkly whenever he talks about COVID, which incidentally is where American technocracy has produced a vaccine in record time. He seems adamant that Trump did nothing about COVID when the opposite is true: Operation Warp Speed was a resounding success. Operation Warp Speed was the federal government's program to marshal the energies of the private sector towards the creation of a vaccine by creating an incentive structure out of essentially nothing. It was a monumental success of technocracy which Frank writes off completely. He also seems quite hostile to other technocrats in the FDA who approved the vaccine and their trustworthiness, though this impression is admittedly not based on very much information. It is difficult to see Frank's views on COVID as unrelated to his views on technocracy.
The populist Left must let go of its longstanding aversions to technocracy because Frank's premonitions about how this is all going to end up are shared by those of us in the Yang Gang with increasing urgency and foreboding. Biden could be really good or really bad. We don't know yet.
Glad you said that. I thought it was "The People Know".
They dont EVER want people to realize the government can help. Because then they'll ask why they dont keep doing it....
They also don't want you to see that it is YOUR government. Leave it to them, as if they own it. Anything they do would be some sort of charity that would have to come out of THEIR own pockets. Nope, letting you have some of your OWN money BACK to bridge through a tough time and stimulate the economy is in no way charity. It confuses them because they think that it BELONGS to the government, that it is theirs. That isn't what OUR representatives should be doing.
This is why they sabotage *any* South American country that decides to "socialize" their resources - ala, spend the money made from their resources on their own people. If this happens and ANY of those countries begin to flourish, America and its corporate interest must stomp it out or risk the American people seeing an example of what's possible when your leaders aren't just greedy pigs sucking at the trough.
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@@ArcaneWolf9 and @Corey Saylor...Spot on! The very same people that have convinced a strong majority of Americans through media and popular culture that government is inept, can't do anything positive for ordinary people, and it's a waste of time to get involved and/or educate yourself with the political process...are ALSO the very same people who've used exactly that political process to amass incredible wealth, shield themselves from all sorts of regulatory and other limiting processes, and create two different Americas: Richistan for them, the ever devolving and increasingly decrepit US you and I live in. THIS is, IMO the biggest lie propagated that has adversely affected ordinary Americans over the last 50 years.
@@ArcaneWolf9 The federal government creates the money. They can do anything, if resources are idle. If American knew how easy it is, the elites would lose power over the people.
Love love love Thomas Frank and thrilled that he’s narrating his own audiobooks.
I own them, I love that it's him reading them, because you get to hear the book exactly as it was intended, especially when he gets snarky
28:24 Thomas: am I allowed to curse?
Kyle, without skipping a beat: YUP
One of my favorite quotes is from Nellie McKae
paraphrasing
"Swearing is the language of the working class"
I like it when he answered "I don't know , I didn't interview people because covid"
Shoutout to Krystal Kyle! (whoever that is)
He's the meth addict on the corner that steals hubcaps and sells them at the scrapyard.
Shout out to Kulinski Balls!!
@@pl3459 Stop telling everyone what your dad does for a living!
I pay him good money for that crap!
have some respect, that man has put food on your plate for over a decade!
now if you excuse me, I must feed my kids.
* slams the internet door*
disclaimer: this was a "long reach" joke, please do not take anything said personal. ❤️️
@@cat-.- lol
Krystal Kyle, the unknown Crystal Gem fusion
Thomas Frank, hell yeah. Krystal and Kyle should also invite other intellectuals like chomsky, Chris hedges etc. Would be so amazing!
They should get boots riley
Honestly need to get chomsky quick. I love him but as of late he has aged faaaast and it shows lol
@@nickgibson3451 yeah man he's in his 90s now. It's been sad seeing him age. But hey it happens to the best of us.
I get the feeling that they aren't cool with Chris Hedges. I don't think I've ever heard either one of them bring up his name. I really hope he gets on here though.
Jimmy
Fantastic!
I've listened to an audiobook of Thomas Frank's "Listen, Liberal", absolutely enlightening!
Haven't listened yet, but Thomas Frank is doing god's work with his amazing historic accounts!
this guy makes historical events feel like freshly occuring stuff! Makes me feel like I'm there and conected to the flow of history! He's amazing and so fun wow. imagine if all History teachers were like this omg
Read his books. He is also hilarious and so engaging on the printed page. This guy is the real deal.
God, krystals beautiful. I might really subscribe for a full year. Love this.
Pretty sure populism has existed since Roman times. Caesar’s faction were literally called the Populares
Interesting enough their platform was based on Land (Which was the main form of wealth at the time) redistribution, Grain dole (UBI but with bread instead of actual money), Debt Relief, and Democratic Reform. I guess it’s a good sign they won in the end.
Well cesar hijacked the populares for his own career, in which he also associated with former conservatives. By the time in which cesar lived actual Roman political factions were mostly dead and power had become a brawl between generals and governors
@@leoskini
Oh yeah, Caesar was definitely an opportunist. Just an opportunist with much bigger balls than Trump, and a better mind for military matters.
@@leoskini these is a really good succinct way of putting it. The roman republic had been sort of deteriorating for quite some time and with sulla it was clear it was institutionally unstable in terms of even the patricians themselves being able to "democratically (within only that small population of course) govern the republic. The people of course wanted more actual democracy, like actually including more input from all people not just patricians, however moving away from a somewhat more representative government for at least the privelaged class towards even more exclusive factions and dynasties was a significant change for the worse.
@@empireepic92 ah yes the great ubi of bread and debt relief that brought down the roman empire
I'm so happy they started doing these. Bravo, may it flourish!
Between Nina Turner coming on the show next week and him being able to talk to Thomas Frank, Kyle was as giddy as a kid in a candy store and I'm living for it 😂👍
Antonia P the boy is gonna straight up faint when Bernie shows up
He’s gotta get Yang on
@@krisg6480 I'm expecting him to roast Bernie.
While everyone is focused on impeachment, the true culprits are breathing a deep sigh of relief. Instead of dealing with the disease, we are dealing with the symptom.
I wonder how Coryn feels about Kyle cheating on him with Krystal.
And Saagar
Got another question. Did Kyle move to Virginia or DC?
Coryn and Saagar will get together to drink and cry
Are Kyle and Corin partners?
@@reginaldmba2323 - No, they are friends from High School. Corin is married to a woman he met at college and has two daughters.
Corin: Ever since you start seeing her you don't have time for us. What about our conversations, I thought we had something special 😭
😂 😂
corin prolly gets some action on the side
What did happen to Corin?
@@tonydimeo1882 took him outback and shot him.
@@scary_terry1745 noooo Corin is not Lenny haha
Professor Richard Wolff next please.
I'm sure they'll have him eventually. I'm hoping for Robert Reich at some point.
Wolff is my hero 💟. Also Yanis Varoufakis
@@unclebozo9845 YES!!!
Anand Girhardas too,
think I butchered his name.
My dad is a partisan but progressive Democrat (even though he denies his partisanship), and I have spent so much time trying to get through to him, and yesterday when Economic Update showed up on Free Speech TV, Richard Wolff was the one person who managed to penetrate that thick skull. Professor Wolff is not only my favorite economist, but also my favorite living Marxist and favorite political commentator. And I'm saying that as a Marxist. He has this plain-spoken, brutally honest way of getting Marxist concepts across without it being obvious it's Marxist, and I adore and respect him, and can't wait to see him on this show!
Everyone should know that Thomas Frank has a great book titled “Listen, Liberal” detailing the history of the Dems becoming the party of the “professionals”. He also is the founder of a fantastic leftist magazine company called the Baffler. Only forty dollars a year for six issues.
Thomas Frank is an OG.
Thanks for that!
Which professionals? The Republicans have always been the investor class that conned the bible beaters to join.
@@TheClayCoKid
Meaning like the professionals of High Finance. Wall Street, Ivy League professors, elite social circles, big pharma, tech, and other CEO's, etc. and how they create the revolving door between government and Wall Street.
You'll understand better if you read the book. It's a quick read and incredibly enlightening past the normal leftist take of "Well, they're corrupt, that's why they suck".
Edit*: to your point of the Republicans conning the bible beaters, the Democrats did just that (as Frank explains in the book) but with "innovation" and "self-righteous virtue" to claim the upper middle class vote. One thread leads to another and I don't mean to bore you with the details in a single RUclips comment. But things of that nature refer to "professionals". I hope this at least offers some form of understanding.
@@PittsburghSonido Thanks. Ill check it out
@@PittsburghSonido Are you talking republicans or democrats? Aside from democrats being slightly less evil on issues around smoking pot, gay rights or abortions, they are identical....
"populism is when the proles does stuff"
-some talking head pundit
"Kuckism" is Krystal, Kyle & Kucks.
@@rodneyboehner3007 I'm pretty sure kuckism is just you lol
@@rodneyboehner3007 whaddup bozo?😊🤡
@@vegahimsa Krystal, Kyle & Kucks (KKK), the new all KauKasian Korporate libitard Klown show for all-white progressives who think it's still the 1980s where progressives can ignore diverity. Daddup Kuckzo. So many Ks. So many out-of-touch KauKasian DemoKuck Klowns. I'm blinded by the white KauKasian glare..
Get on Ralph Nader and Chris Hedges.
You get it for real
No more Chris Hedges, he’s totally depressing
@@DiVijeah You say depressing I say sobering and realistic of the way things are...
Why doesn’t anyone define populism in terms of its opposite-elitism?
I am finishing Frank's book Listen Liberal. This came at an amazing time!
Next, find Lance Selfa's book The Democrats: A Critical History. It's the original Listen Liberal. But I had to read Listen Liberal before I could handle the critique of Selfa's book.
21 is coming lad
I've been saying I'm a Populist since 2016! This was such an enjoyable discussion. I loved every minute!
Wait a minute. You havent been involved in politics since 2016. Wow. That's stupid.
CORRECTION: Socialism DOES NOT EQUAL government control. Socialism EQUALS worker/democratic control
Sure but that’s through control of the govt
@@el5880 In a way yes. Let me make an addendum:
Socialism doesn't just mean the government has control over things like we are led to believe from capitalist propaganda. Socialism means that the people have control over both their government and their workplace.
Why is this such a crucial aspect? Currently under Capitalism, who owns the government? Well, the big businesses and money interests of course. Buy off all politicians. Rig the system in your favor. That's the way all current capitalist societies operate.
Under socialism, government would actually be a Democracy because the system wouldnt be set up where there are class divisions. Everyone is a worker, everyone has equal say in their workplace, and from that, everyone has equal say in government. The key aspect our society is missing is WORKPLACE DEMOCRACY. Without it, governmental democracy cannot exist.
@@thegeneralofkenobis1753 I tend to agree with the first half more than the latter but, regardless, workplace democracy is a good thing.
the preachers of America were against FDR, too? That tells us all something about religion...
What if they were against FDR because of the war machine , NOT because of his populist economic policies.
@@ongoinglife they weren’t. Maybe some but not most
I wonder if Kyle would call FDR a war criminal like he does every other President?
@@rwilson9759 yes he has before
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To be fair, every us foreign wars since ww2 have NOT justified in the world stage.
Yeah, even ww2 has questionable issues like suspicious "false flag" operations, war propaganda from us government. (or excessive use of violence against humanity : nuke)
Aside from that, FDR is a war hero in American society.
Excellent logical progression for KK to evolve in such a great way with KB as a guiding mentor. truly a massive step in intellectual analysis and discourse.... Rxvellent job guys!!!!
Why is this man not on more often? I could listen to his side stories all day
Look up his interviews with RJ Eskow on the Zero Hour.
Krystal is dreamy 😍😍
@sayvar44 Francesca yes, Emma no
Great job on the production quality and set Krystal and Kyle! Loving the show!
You guys are so inspiring, thank you for all you do.
You gotta get Chomsky at some point. Easier said than done I know but I wanna see Kyle meet him lol
Nina Turner on the first paid episode... Well played! XD
Nina is starting to back pedal on #ForceTheVote, she's starting to become like the fraud squad. Not a good sign.
@@madworldisrael7584 sounds like YOU need to run for senate and then potus
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wait, don't
@@madworldisrael7584 The cushy seats of the corporate pandering two parties consumes all eventually
@@DevilJin01 All the more reason why we need to form a third party to actually have a base within congress to combat the corporate serving dual establishment parties, Nancy Pelosi literally started out as a progressive when she first got in congress and actually advocated for M4A but later on she caved due to pressure from the corruption within the democratic party with all is dirty money bribery from corporations that she herself became a corporatist at the end, this is why reforming the party from within won't work, cause the left are weak and cave in easily unlike the right who are either already corrupt or they're aggressive enough to make leadership within the republican party nervous and give in to demands, so anyone who says third party won't work are fraud bots that are paid to discourage people from getting behind the idea, over here in Puerto Rico we have 3 different left leaning party and they have seats in the house and senate of Puerto Rico, so yes third party can win.
@@madworldisrael7584 well since the vote has already been had, isn't everyone backed off of it? At least until another vote comes.
I know Dore still talks about it extensively because it does have aftermath consequences. But in terms of staying on it as a congressperson, not a RUclipsr, how would that make sense when there's no vote to force? The leverage is gone, that's why it was such a pressing matter and so crushing when the fraud squad didn't do it. She fully supported it at its time. What do you expect from her now?
We need to accept as much of Trump’s followers. Don’t chastise them, bring em in to a new movement or party along with non-voters and disenfranchised Democratics. Reverse the cultural war back into a class war. All that people in unity is a MASSIVE majority force far bigger than partisan Dems and Reps
That us nothing more than a pipe dream a lot of Trump followers are a lost cause.
LOVED this episode! So far such a great series GREAT JOB Krystal and Kyle!
Thank You, Krystal and Kyle, for bringing Thomas Frank into our living rooms. Kudos!
“Elite Failure” Obama will never admit his mistakes. He just continues to blame people for not voting. I disagree with Frank on this: I think Obama did just as much damage as Bill Clinton.
If Bill Clinton Followed Barack Obama he would have crushed it bigger and better than the reverse for Wall Street and Neolibs. Bill was the man who set the table and hired the help. In fact, the Rubinites that worked for Clinton went to work day one for Obama to put together the TPP.
And to help his buddy Biden get into office, to make more of the same mistakes.
Obama was a failure. The only real policy that was good was the stimulus bill, and maybe some token bills that didn't do much but proclaimed something. He really didn't do much of anything for black people either. He led like a white guy.
The HC bill was Mitt's "buy insurance." No walking with unions, he didn't raise the minimum wage enough--worst of all he cut taxes on the wealthiest 2.2% and made some of Bush's tax cuts that were about to expire, permanent.
Who'd know tho. The news talked about his birth certificate the whole time.
its not mistakes, but arrogant tyranny in regards to OBAMA
First comes the Obama then trump. Precisely the praise and the supposed righteousness of Obama, the amount of people that will take the polished exterior and accept it, and then presume and condescend to those who disagree, to the other, the dumb voters that just don't know what's good for them.
When you combine that with actually refusing to address the darkest parts of the legacy he inherits it breeds even more resentment. This man was in the pockets of the banks, the military industrial complex, the big tech companies. Those who's interests are most diametrically opposed to those of working people. Without Obama, or a democrat that has those same problems (like Biden for example) we don't get Trump.
Krystal is so smart and articulate and has so much important analysis and she's SO beautiful too it's absurd, I hope if she sees this it doesn't come across as disrespectful. I always look forward to her Radar.
It's possible to have a much better discussion with Kyle than Saagar. Kyle isn't authoritarian and doesn't grin like an idiot when repeatedly proven wrong.
Goes to show that beauty & brains are not in conflict. Marilyn Monroe was a very smart woman (who played dumb brilliantly for a living) -- but back in the day it was considered you had one or the other. I cannot see how it is disrespectful to acknowledge both attributes. STay well, be safe.
Krystal always has such interesting insights. She's clearly sharp as a tack. Big fan
I enjoyed the video. Thank you Krystal and Kyle.
Thomas "may i curse please" Frank
I can’t shake my crush on Krys 😪
Her posture is amazing
Get in the line man 💔
Y’all simping too?
@@bmo3271 ya , hardcore...
Why do you have to shake it? Enjoy it!
Thomas Frank, one of our Great, American writers and historians.
Who says he likes obama and was happy with him...
He is allowed his personal opinions. If he ever writes a book about how great Obama was, then complain.
There are hallucinogens you can take if you want to “watch the audio”. 😂
Honestly, this long form podcast discussion movement is making it so easy to get informed on issues. Way better than 6 min segment on cable news. Krystal and Kyle are a great duo and every discussion they have with their guests helps me learn about events and policies I hadn't fully understood.
This is the BEST episode so far! Thomas Frank is amazing - I will definitely listen to this again and again.
I think the point that's being missed about the checks is that Biden said "immediately"...
When the guest tells you that you drained him... that's a good interview.
Get chris hedges on
@Eyemaster Hollowman OOOO no way I want to watch that.
Hedges is a grifter
Yes, get Hedges on. Also, get on Ralph Nader, the original rock star, who wrote much of the progressive legislation we see today.
@@quinndawsonosgood5261 In what possible way is he a grifter? He lost his job at the New York Times because he was against the Iraq war. He's an anti-war activist who also spends time tutoring prisoners.
@@krisniznik3953 Hedges uses truths to distract his adherents from the truth. If he isn't grifting, he is the worst political analyst and activist ever.
Thank you for having Thomas Frank on. I always learn a lot from him.
"You probably don't know this." LOL
This guy is odd to me for liking Obama yet dislikes Biden and Clintons - what's the difference?
Because the Obamas inherited what they did, and whoever was before them. He technically couldn't change whatever was desirable as president. Also they're respectable in background, neither have corrupt origins - the Clintons and Bidens do.
Obama's 8 years was minimal in overall policy compared to how long Hillary, Bill and Joe dominated Democratic corporate agendas as senators and then presidents (first ladies in Hillary's case). Granted he made some big mistakes, Barack is a unique case in a Democratic president, he thought being his community organizer roots would be enough to lead. He had to become in part one of them, for me Frank admires his temperament and mentality. Obama had organic roots, just turned sour.
However, Carter is what Obama SHOULD have been to me.
@@murk4552 Yup like it or not Obama wouldn't have won if he wasn't a neolib because at this point the cancerous tumor of neoliberalism is so big that every president has to believe in the same steaming pile of garbage to get elected.
Obama was able to dribble the ball, there was kinetic energy... The Bidens and Clintons just kinda flail it around to the wind. I'm from Kansas too btw I love this guest.
I don’t think he likes Obama that much. Have you read Listen Liberal?
@@murk4552 dude Obama came in with a supermajority and could have had anything if he wasn't a corrupt asshole war criminal. Go watch the clip of him making fun of flint Michigan residents to their faces
Added Thomas Frank's books to my "be more well-read" list =)
Krystal can’t even get a word in lol 😂 come on guys let her speak too my gawd lol
Thoroughly enjoyed the interview!! Pls. do it again with Thomas Frank.
I'm really liking this!!! This is awesome!!!!
It’s so simple: Nina Turner doesn’t take corporate money and she’s an organizer.
and she runs inside the dem party ? after 2 consecutiv election cycles where she was pretty close to the process and saw what happened to progressives in the dem party.
It just uploaded like 5 minutes ago people, chill it’s still gotta do it’s processing thing.
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It`s a lot to process.
Oops I was posting whilst I slept on my phone
"Bad allies."
-Kyle Kulinski
I'd rather have real enemies than fake friends. No more Fraud Squad!
Kyle is still trying to redeem this totally failed Democrap takeover strategy...
We must protect these two at all costs, absolute gems.
Thank Thomas Frank! Ťhat was Eye opening And awsome!
Idk if its the camera, lighting, or a combo but, Krystal is looking fine.
Whole snack
No, she's just beautiful. Yeah, I'm simping. No, I don't give a fuck if you care.
It's all Krystal baby
Krystal, you lookin skanky..thanks!
But what about Kyle
It sounds like the compression on the audio track is to strong. It has that pumping effect...
So threshold higher and release a bit longer.
Yup audio is all messed up
Audio Engineers assemble.
Set designers should also assemble.
Lol I literally looked for this comment. Well said.
Like how they short circuited Bernie's campaign - twice.
This is the best podcast episode I've heard in my life. Keep up the quality, K&K.
I subscribed, this was a great session enjoyed it and did not want it to stop. You guys are doing great! 🤞
Finally kyle found some friends ....😲😲😲
17:29 actual interview.
Totally agree about Nina Turner. She’s tough. She’s not going to be brow beat by the Democrat establishment like some other younger Congress people.
You're not informed; check-out her position on #FTV! Then decide if you agree w/her or not. Peace.
She didn't speak out about #ForceTheVote.. The dem party is like the mob.
Joseph Brindley although she did not go all out on ftv no one can deny she’s more willing to stand up to democrats in comparison to any member of the squad or elected progressive.
@@gny.sgt.hartman3740 She will cause nothing but headaches and problems in Congress for the democrats. She will ignite an even deepening rife between the democrats the way she's carrying on. The things she believes is good but the way she conducts her tone isn't good for the party if she's elected to Congress.
@@gunnyo50 Her tone? Jesus, people like you are the reason democrats will stay as corrupt as they always have been. You don't want a rift to expose the real difference between corporate democrats and "progressives"?
I could listen to him all day!
I love this show! Unfortunately it's not in my budget to keep listening but I hope this gets very popular
Audio is free
Hell yeah I really enjoy every interview Frank does
So basically we’re paying to see krystal 🤷🏼♂️🥰
I’d pay for that 👀
I think I know why Krystal signed on to do this podcast with Kyle. It was so that she could casually drop F-bombs when she's not filming Rising.
Oh I can totally see that being the reason! 😂
Or maybe Rising is getting canceled and this is job security 💀
I was hoping for more cussing. I get tired of the soap mouth clean commentary from watching political news all the time. It was hilarious hearing Thomas go "is it ok to cuss here?" lol
Thank you Thomas Frank for the lesson on populism, it was very interesting 👍
Another great interview!
13:58 "My conspiracy is... they don't really even want this package." Yeah dude that's Thomas Frank's conspiracy from Listen Liberal.
Is Liz Cheney's vote just to get the Cheney name some good press for when Dick councils the Biden presidency?
Yes
Notice how kyle didn't even condem big seltzer for being consumed occasionally by vladimir putin... 🤔
I could listen to Thomas Frank talk all day.. which reminds me, just so you all know, most of his audiobooks are on Scribd and he narrates them!!
You guys really went for it with that rug.
Nice table though. 😆 I’d recommend going with the mid-century look since you already have the table.
Btw I love the show and guests so far. Love Thomas Frank and can’t wait to hear Nina!
John Quincy Adams lost the popular vote and won the electoral college, he lost both in 1828
Benjamin Harrison lost the popular vote and won the electoral college, he lost both in 1892
Glad someone did the research. So trump is just the first past 1900 lmao
Adlai Stevenson lost to Dwight David Eisenhower in 1952 and 1956.
Grover Cleveland lost once and won twice.
William Jennings Bryan lost three times, twice to McKinley and once to Taft.
She’s so fine ❤️
Both parties are identical when it comes to the Military/Intel War Machine and Imperialist Machine.
Thrilling conversation! I enjoyed the whole thing!
This was my favorite one so far! I learned so much