Alex Hirsch Used to Hate Dipper vs. Manliness

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  • Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
  • Dipper vs. Manliness is my personal least favourite episode of Gravity Falls, and a lot of the reasons why are pretty similar to those that Alex said. I tip my hat to you, Hirsch, you did good accepting it.
    Frequently asked Questions
    Q: What is this?
    A: Back in 2018, Gravity Falls finally got a box set release. Among many things, all 40 episodes got commentaries for them in which Alex Hirsch talks about the episode, discusses things he liked and disliked about it, reveals hidden moments, struggles and lost stories from the production of the series.
    Q: Where can I watch the full thing?
    A: You can buy the box set from Shout Factory or on Amazon. Sadly, due to region lock, the box set is only available in Canada…oh, and…you know…the United States too. Unless you have a region free DVD or Blu-ray player, you’re out of luck.
    Q: Why are you uploading these?
    A: Due to that region lock, many fans can’t watch these, and they contain many interesting stories that I feel more fans need to hear. Thus, I’m uploading them. Not everything of course, but lot of the more interesting stuff. Oh, and also because I’m out of ideas for new videos, lmao.
    Q: Why can’t I hear the characters voices in the episodes?
    A: These are the commentary versions of the episodes. You’re not supposed to clearly hear the in episode talk. The main focus is what the commentators have to say. Think of it as a podcast.
    Q: Why am I reading this FAQ?
    A: Either you’re really bored, or I referred you to it because you left a comment asking a question I answered above, and I'm not in the mood to answer it because I'm tired of answering the same questions over and over again. Hey, I'm a human too. And so was Mabel, so shut up, Mabel hater!
    I do not own Gravity Falls. All rights go to Disney Television Animation and Shout Factory.
    #GravityFalls
    #DipperVsManliness
    #AlexHirsch

Комментарии • 939

  • @thefastrightptg5048
    @thefastrightptg5048 4 года назад +7602

    It's still funny how even their "worst episodes" are still very good episodes lol

    • @ThatGFFAN
      @ThatGFFAN  4 года назад +929

      Gravity Falls' worst episode is still better than anything Family Guy or The Simpsons can produce nowadays.

    • @jinxthatsme2317
      @jinxthatsme2317 4 года назад +203

      That GF FAN I honestly think the only two episodes I didn’t like from the show was 'Roadside Attraction' and 'The Love God.' Every other episode was amazing.

    • @cassandracohen1550
      @cassandracohen1550 4 года назад +65

      @@jinxthatsme2317 those were my 2 favorites lol

    • @armydillo1013
      @armydillo1013 3 года назад +42

      I remember i didn’t see roadside attraction until AFTER I had watched the finale

    • @violetcupcake
      @violetcupcake 2 года назад +12

      @@jinxthatsme2317 To Be honest same 😆

  • @judeadler6539
    @judeadler6539 4 года назад +2181

    *BUT HER AIM IS GETTIN BETTER*

    • @sampepper7682
      @sampepper7682 3 года назад +58

      BUT HER AIM IS GETTIN BETTER!!!!

    • @lilymurfitt6187
      @lilymurfitt6187 3 года назад +2

      i just gav ethis the 100th like.
      you are welcome

    • @clipsyoudontwatch
      @clipsyoudontwatch 3 года назад +71

      @@sampepper7682 ITS FUNNy BECAUSE MARRIAGE IS TERRIBLE!

    • @LulfsBloodbag
      @LulfsBloodbag 2 года назад +6

      BUT HER AIM IS GETTIN BETTER

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 2 года назад +4

      (When you are hinting that you have borne witness to a bad family because they cared about your other brother exclusively so you use “bad marriage” jokes as a defense mechanism)

  • @profc3027
    @profc3027 4 года назад +4009

    Alex Hirsch creating gravity falls is just dipper telling his grandkids wildly out of proportion stories about his childhood.

    • @maniac4bricks_more629
      @maniac4bricks_more629 2 года назад +223

      "I even added in a talking robot for the kids" - Grunkle Stan in the bottomless pit episode.

    • @acreator4268
      @acreator4268 2 года назад +39

      So my question is, is Bill supposed to be a real person who manipulated him and his family??

    • @chaosagent_0106
      @chaosagent_0106 2 года назад +24

      @@acreator4268 that falls under the "out of proportion" category, no controversy or trauma in sight if I'm correct

    • @doctorjay8673
      @doctorjay8673 2 года назад +63

      @@acreator4268 "I even added a demon *for the kids*" - Alex definitely

    • @jenluvjake
      @jenluvjake 2 года назад +8

      Have you heard of the musical Big Fish? Cause that's essentially it

  • @reidsjackson6870
    @reidsjackson6870 4 года назад +5946

    I, as a writer, also relate so much to that feeling of: "I have a vision, and I have now reached the point where I want to destroy everything and start over again." But Alex is right, that sometimes you just have to push past it and use it as a stepping stone towards that story you really do want to write.

    • @MoodyMickey
      @MoodyMickey 4 года назад +70

      Same. Sometimes I feel like what I wrote was just crap, and I wish I didn't really right it. But I know that it's just because of my vision of what I want...or just because it's me that wrote it

    • @andrewsutherland133
      @andrewsutherland133 4 года назад +8

      Oh my god, yes. I literally did a song writing collaboration project and the day right before it was going to be submitted, I text my friend "hey change it to this, its better" which she was ok with because I literally warned her I would do it

    • @papasscooperiaworker3649
      @papasscooperiaworker3649 4 года назад

      andrew sutherland "do it"? do what

    • @andrewsutherland133
      @andrewsutherland133 4 года назад +1

      @@papasscooperiaworker3649 change the lyrics even after it was done

    • @celestinebuendia
      @celestinebuendia 4 года назад

      “Stepping stone” is a such a Danganronpa-reminiscent term for me for the worst reasons possible

  • @meekland3084
    @meekland3084 3 года назад +1829

    How does Dipper fail a manlyness tester. He didn't react to a ducking wolf eating his leg.

    • @CurledRuby85
      @CurledRuby85 2 года назад +252

      I know it's a bit late to say this but he was driven by spite and nothing more.

    • @rainedans8684
      @rainedans8684 2 года назад +171

      That's not manly. That's HARDCORE

    • @wegner7036
      @wegner7036 2 года назад +49

      What does pain resistance have to do with grip strength?

    • @daniellekospiah5790
      @daniellekospiah5790 2 года назад +23

      Lol dipper I'd just out of it sometimes lol he's just a mood

    • @ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970
      @ihavenonamestilldonthaveon8970 2 года назад +70

      @@wegner7036 what does being a man have to do with grip strength? Everything here is pretty much a joke once you think about it lol

  • @kaylasilverstein4137
    @kaylasilverstein4137 4 года назад +796

    Here’s the thing, when I was younger, around 12 years old when this episode premiered and I watched it for the first time, I thought Dipper was weak for not killing the bear in the end and was disappointed. Now that I’m 19 I realize what the meaning of that was, and how INSANELY awesome the following scene is. I mean, he called out an entire army of minotaurs, all ten times his size and knowing any one of them could easily crush him, for thinking being violent for no reason is the same as being tough. AND HE’S 12. Also, after this episode was really when Dipper started to stop running and hiding in fear of the monsters/creatures he encountered and started to do to stuff like use objects around him to fight back and pull crazier stunts imo.

  • @smugsdeadchannellol6184
    @smugsdeadchannellol6184 4 года назад +5294

    This is a weaker episode, but I don’t consider it the worst one, not even a bad one.

    • @DomainAspect
      @DomainAspect 4 года назад +55

      It is boring and terrible, but nowhere near as some of the other filler episodes

    • @garbanzomeatball
      @garbanzomeatball 4 года назад +332

      BitGrit Do you even like gravity falls or do you just like 6 out of the 40 or so episodes

    • @matti.8465
      @matti.8465 4 года назад +389

      I'm not even sure if there is any episode I would consider bad. The closest thing would be "Roadside Attraction" but the issue isn't so much the quality of the episode as much as the timing of it.

    • @discordtheunknown4437
      @discordtheunknown4437 4 года назад +238

      Tbh I hate the epsiode where the family goes on a road trip and dipper dating like 10 girls one of the worst filler episode

    • @enimo9241
      @enimo9241 4 года назад +6

      @@discordtheunknown4437 Same

  • @user-kt4gl3kv1e
    @user-kt4gl3kv1e 7 месяцев назад +81

    Honestly Stan's comment at the end about how dipper handled the situation was a timeless message. A real man does what he thinks is right, not what is collectively deemed "manly". It's a great message that's still relevant 11 years later.

  • @mauvemagnolia
    @mauvemagnolia 4 года назад +5611

    The one thing I like about the manotaurs is that even though they’re essential the embodiment of toxic masculinity, they do break the mold in one notable way: they actually allow conversations about emotions. When Dipper first meets one, the manotaur encourages him to talk about what’s troubling him. And later in the hot tub/bath he talks with them again but how his feelings have changed. I found that part of the episode kind of refreshing.
    Also, I kind of love multibear lol

    • @icecreamhero2375
      @icecreamhero2375 4 года назад +317

      You can be manly without being a jerk. I think the episode is fine.

    • @mauvemagnolia
      @mauvemagnolia 4 года назад +99

      icecream hero Yes, you definitely can be manly without being a jerk! Not all manliness is toxic. But the manotaurs were being toxic by telling Dipper that he wasn’t a man unless he killed the multibear.

    • @icecreamhero2375
      @icecreamhero2375 4 года назад +32

      @@mauvemagnolia Yep I agree.

    • @icecreamhero2375
      @icecreamhero2375 4 года назад +48

      @@mauvemagnolia Also I said this in an earlier comment. I think this episode is fine. The real stinkers are Roadside Attraction, into the Bunker, and the Deep End. I don't see how the manaturs are any worse than the Gmomes I guess the society of the Blind eye is really good at their jobs.

    • @untitled_one1584
      @untitled_one1584 4 года назад +114

      icecream hero Wait, what? I personally thought into the bunker was an amazing episode. What made it unlikable?
      I liked Dipper vs. Manliness as well, though; I found the anthology episodes like little gift shop of horrors to be a lot weaker.

  • @personontheinternet2760
    @personontheinternet2760 4 года назад +6922

    Let’s be honest here, disco girl single handedly saved this episode from being garbage

  • @ButterflyColors
    @ButterflyColors 4 года назад +714

    It kinda shows how good of a show this is, because even the worse episodes aren’t that bad and still got some great moments

    • @jdawggy8761
      @jdawggy8761 4 года назад +30

      Same with avatar, everyone hates the great divide but its still got some iconic moments

  • @deseuryderia
    @deseuryderia 4 года назад +1021

    i feel like the episode wasn't my absolute favorites, but i feel like it definitely had a great message. (plus we have dipper singing disco girl)

    • @MoodyMickey
      @MoodyMickey 4 года назад +38

      "disco girl coming through. That GIRL IN YOU. OOH OOH. OOH OOH"

    • @cotton7690
      @cotton7690 4 года назад +6

      I know ;-; I know

    • @kingofcards9516
      @kingofcards9516 Год назад

      What's the message.

  • @alwaysanewinterest
    @alwaysanewinterest 4 года назад +2446

    I find this interesting since a lot of fans see this as the worst episode after Roadside Attraction

    • @smugsdeadchannellol6184
      @smugsdeadchannellol6184 4 года назад +470

      Ngl I liked roadside attraction. Why did people dislike this?

    • @KoruGo
      @KoruGo 4 года назад +101

      I think this is the worst episode and Roadside Attraction is the second-worst.

    • @satanswife2546
      @satanswife2546 4 года назад +23

      What

    • @Jon_R.
      @Jon_R. 4 года назад +722

      The main reason for me is that roadside attraction should have been like episode 8 in season 2. It breaks the pace leading up to the last episodes too much. Not a bad episode, I really like it actually, it's just in the wrong place.

    • @sabinabarrolaza2598
      @sabinabarrolaza2598 4 года назад +29

      RandomRows I love it it’s a lot different then the other episodes but it’s really entertaining

  • @ThatGFFAN
    @ThatGFFAN  4 года назад +821

    If you're wondering why there were only screenshots of the episode in this video, it's due to copyright. I tried uploading this yesterday but it got blocked globally. Even the copyright system doesn't like this episode, lmao!

    • @lolzismadd
      @lolzismadd 4 года назад +8

      i thought this episode was alright

    • @joshuaThe5th
      @joshuaThe5th 4 года назад +1

      Have you met Alex?

    • @satanswife2546
      @satanswife2546 4 года назад +1

      It's alright and I happen to not like that ep, I mean I don't hate it I just dislike some scenes

    • @nytetime4u673
      @nytetime4u673 4 года назад

      That GF FAN do you think there could be a mini series of the twins before gravity falls season 1 and season 2 will be after leaving the falls

    • @banan9432
      @banan9432 3 года назад +1

      Bruh ur literally a creator like you got the whole squad of voice actors with you

  • @Methus3lah
    @Methus3lah 2 года назад +640

    I actually love this episode. The B plot with Mabel and Stan is kind of meh, but I really really appreciate the way this episode says “hey, there are ways to be a man that don’t involve being a violent asshole.” It’s a good lesson for boys to learn. I’m glad my brothers watched this show.

    • @Annexialol
      @Annexialol 2 года назад +28

      *BOOOOORING*
      *HEY, LET’S GO BUILD SOMETHING AND THEN KNOCK IT DOWN!*

    • @GoPackGoBaby
      @GoPackGoBaby 2 года назад +4

      While it is a good message, the man is right, violence = fun

  • @termitesc.aardwolf3644
    @termitesc.aardwolf3644 4 года назад +238

    Honestly, I find the Multibear to be kinda adorable.

    • @qbert362
      @qbert362 2 года назад +12

      He’s one of my favourite side characters in the entire show

    • @julianmartinez4719
      @julianmartinez4719 2 года назад +6

      Kinda? Is undeniably adorable

    • @PxndaCakes
      @PxndaCakes 2 года назад +2

      Looks like a quarrister.

  • @oldben8261
    @oldben8261 2 года назад +60

    "You were your own man and you stood up for yourself."
    "You did what was right even when no one agreed with ya. Sounds pretty manly to me, but what do I know?"
    I was in high school when I saw this episode and it really just flicked a lightswitch in my head. Was a nice nugget of wisdom for me since I actually was dealing with issues regarding my own identity as a guy, always trying to mimic the more toxic traits of other guys and not staying true to myself. Wish I would've taken those words fully to heart a lot sooner, honestly!

  • @alexinitalics188
    @alexinitalics188 4 года назад +647

    I wasn't a big fan of this episode as a whole but the message and the jokes are brilliant

  • @thedorkknight9684
    @thedorkknight9684 Год назад +22

    it's not my favorite, but as a trans guy, i like this episode.
    i've had a lot of messy, confusing thoughts about what it means to be "a guy", and the ultimate moral here is just like something my dad told me. he once told me something along the lines of
    "You know what a real man does? he takes care of his family, he's kind. it's not about what you wear, or how short your hair is, whatever. it's about being a good person."

    • @NylaTheWolf
      @NylaTheWolf 10 дней назад +1

      @@thedorkknight9684 Thank you for sharing your perspective! I'm sure a lot of trans guys and trans masc people struggle with the idea of being manly. As a nonbinary person even I worry about being too feminine. Recently I suddenly felt bad/dysphoric(?) about buying a nice set of pink pajamas because my brain went, "That's so feminine." I consciously knew that was a silly thought but it still got to me 😭

    • @thedorkknight9684
      @thedorkknight9684 10 дней назад

      @@NylaTheWolf hey, we've all been there!
      My dad is the manliest person I know, and he lets my sister paint his nails bright pink, has longer hair than my mom, and constantly wearing cutesy stuff.
      He's told me many times, "Macho stuff is all Bullshit. You wanna be manly? Be a good person, there's nothing more manly than that."
      Masculinity is a complex journey, and there's no wrong way to go about it.

  • @jbain4750
    @jbain4750 2 года назад +34

    Seeing this really puts a new spin on the whole S&P thing. Imagine obsessing so much over every detail of a show's tone and the big picture of the show, and every day you get endless notes demanding you change random details before the episode can air.

  • @samwallaceart288
    @samwallaceart288 2 года назад +24

    It sounds like Alex had a whole Dipper-moment behind the scenes

  • @mr.goodboi2780
    @mr.goodboi2780 4 года назад +313

    I always loved this episode. I'm surprised everyone hated it. Thought it was sweet, funny, and all the things Gravity Falls should be. Plus it was just super funny. I think funny, stupid episodes are okay sometimes. Even in serious shows like Gravity Falls it's okay for an episode every once and a while to feel like a silly cartoon. Brings it whimsy and makes it delightful.

    • @eric_moore-6126
      @eric_moore-6126 2 года назад +1

      I'm not sure I'd call Gravity Falls a serious show. It's definitely comedy.

    • @mr.goodboi2780
      @mr.goodboi2780 2 года назад +4

      @@eric_moore-6126 Serious is a bit of a big term, but I meant in relation to other animated shows for it's demographic.

  • @MoodyMickey
    @MoodyMickey 4 года назад +91

    It's interesting to hear what Alex Hirsch said about episodes. Honestly, Dipper vs. manliness is one of my favorite episodes in season one. There's just something about that episode that I really like

    • @RoronoaZoro-ur6hr
      @RoronoaZoro-ur6hr 2 года назад

      I always hated Weirdmaggedon the most out of any Gravity Falls episodes because of the fact that Stanley and Mable are both partially responsible for destroying the world, and if they had just listened to Standford and Dipper than not only would the world be saved, but Mable could have had a perfect sibling relationship with her brother that wasn’t a parasitic leech like Stanley and Standford’s relationship after Dipper finished Standford’s scholarship, and if anything if Dipper vs. Manliness causes toxic masculinity than Weirdmaggedon causes toxic femininity which it’s fine to enjoy media like those types of media if you get enjoyment out of those types of media.

    • @MoodyMickey
      @MoodyMickey 2 года назад +4

      @@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr oh. I never really interpreted those episodes that way. I thought dipper vs manliness showed that dipper stood up for himself instead of listening to the toxic masculinity the Manotaurs were teaching. And for the start of weirdmageddon Mabel wasn't aware of the rift being in dipper's backpack.
      And yeah, Stan didn't have to start up the portal to get Ford back, but Stan definitely missed his brother. Also, Stan doing that was a pretty big part of the plot of the show, that and figuring out who the author of the journals was.
      I never really saw anything too negative about these two episodes, but that's just me. There's definitely going to be different interpretations and stuff

  • @michaeloptv
    @michaeloptv 4 года назад +1156

    I can’t stand the hate for this episode because to me it’s funny and relevant. I can just relate a lot to Dipper in this one.
    Love God/Blendins Game in my opinion were much weaker than this.

    • @blandpotato545
      @blandpotato545 4 года назад +200

      I disagree. Blendins game was amazing. Other than that I totally agree

    • @lbspartyhouse8265
      @lbspartyhouse8265 4 года назад +91

      Blendins’s Game was awesome but Love God was okay

    • @yoshifan1239
      @yoshifan1239 4 года назад +9

      I agree blenens game is so over rated besides a few Easter eggs in is so bad

    • @StarrySkies
      @StarrySkies 4 года назад +8

      Eh, not very relevant to me being a girl and all so I guess that explains why it's so hated
      A lot of ppl don't relate

    • @gryotharian
      @gryotharian 4 года назад +72

      I EAT KIDS was great but aside from that the love god was pretty weak. Blendin’s game was great though, even if not quite at the level of the other soos episode

  • @davidkonevky7372
    @davidkonevky7372 2 года назад +22

    I honestly liked the episode because it taught a very positive lesson about masculinity. Like, a man isn't only about the muscles, it's about honor and being comfortable with your own feelings. The fact that the minotaurs give Dipper room to express himself is such a positive way to express masculinity

  • @whitneysommerfeldt5152
    @whitneysommerfeldt5152 4 года назад +56

    I keep hearing Dipper going "mhmm" and "oh" that I can't get it through my head that it's the voice actor 🤣

  • @tolookbackonforme
    @tolookbackonforme 4 года назад +185

    Why do people hate this episode? Is it because of “DISCO GIRL! COMING THROUGH” ?

    • @turtlecreations6718
      @turtlecreations6718 4 года назад +68

      Disco girl is one of the best parts of the episodes

    • @tolookbackonforme
      @tolookbackonforme 4 года назад

      Turtle Creations I thought people hated it.

    • @DomainAspect
      @DomainAspect 4 года назад +1

      That is the most stupidest thing I have ever observed.

    • @tolookbackonforme
      @tolookbackonforme 4 года назад +8

      BitGrit But isn’t the entire world somewhat stupid?

    • @capncook2006
      @capncook2006 4 года назад

      Rhythm Cat no

  • @naproupi
    @naproupi 2 года назад +60

    I actually liked this episode.
    The morality was great, it's one of the first time Stan is shown as wise and it makes total sense that he's the one giving this lesson, and I mean the humor around the manotaurs being so ridiculously over the top was very funny to me.
    Tho it's a bit inconsitent how Dipper can beat multibear here but struggle against Gideon later on.

    • @terriblefate4232
      @terriblefate4232 2 года назад +11

      This episode comes after the fist fight with Gideon, which happens in the same episode he is introduced in. During the course of this episode, Dipper goes through a training montage with the manotaurs which does increase his capacity to fight both for this episode and future episodes.

  • @DarkEclipce
    @DarkEclipce 2 года назад +73

    This brought up a generation of men and especially trans men who truly felt seen and could relate to the struggles of not measuring up to traditional masculinity. This episode validated many into learning a gentle kind of masculinity that focuses on being a good person rather than a quintessential “man”. It holds up amazingly, even 10 years later

    • @tjhunter9787
      @tjhunter9787 2 года назад +6

      Has it really been a decade ago!? Damn

  • @radicalscoom8614
    @radicalscoom8614 4 года назад +215

    This episode always seem like one of the weaker episodes of gravity falls to me, so it’s really interesting to hear Alex Hirsch talk about his thought process on it.

  • @j19aiden91
    @j19aiden91 4 года назад +81

    I like the ending of the episode, though. Thought it was good

  • @alamrasyidi4097
    @alamrasyidi4097 3 года назад +72

    4:38 "You don't know what you're making until you made it."
    This really clicked with me that my finger just moved on its own to the like button (I don't usually 'like' videos), but that was just... Wow.
    Congrats! You earned a new sub!

  • @katibenda4371
    @katibenda4371 3 года назад +28

    Am I am the only one thinking "there isn't any bad episode in gravity falls" like literally I am obsessed with every episode

    • @NylaTheWolf
      @NylaTheWolf 10 дней назад

      It does say something that there aren't any bad episodes! I definitely think there are weaker ones but no outright bad ones

  • @patrickj994
    @patrickj994 4 года назад +41

    This is honestly one of the episodes I look back on fondly when I think about Gravity Falls. I have no real negative thoughts on it tbh.

  • @discordlexia2429
    @discordlexia2429 2 года назад +11

    I **hated** this episode as a kid because for some reason I always hated stories about boys becoming men in any form.
    Yeah, so guess who turned out to be trans?

    • @nataliaorrego7599
      @nataliaorrego7599 2 года назад +3

      for me was the opositve, i loved the messagee so much i discovered i could be my real self .... and later i turned out trans lmao

    • @baotrannguyenngoc9964
      @baotrannguyenngoc9964 Год назад

      Are you a tomboy girl ?

  • @melikeskalico3812
    @melikeskalico3812 2 года назад +56

    this was literally the episode that made me love gravity falls... the jokes were great, the characters great, the deep puberty struggle was relatable, the message at the end was wholesome, the different perspectives on gender roles were simple and straight forward, the value of "oldschool" concepts etc.i loved it. icannot understand how many people are saying its a bad episode.

  • @patrickramseyart
    @patrickramseyart 4 года назад +71

    I really appreciate this episode. I've always been quite a sensitive, "arts instead of sports" type of guy. And while I generally like how I am, it's still hard to grapple with sometimes.
    It's a great message. But I guess your enjoyment of the episode depends on how much you relate to Dipper's plight. Which, in my case, is a lot. So yeah, I like it a lot.

  • @Klover_Kindness
    @Klover_Kindness 3 года назад +7

    My friend once asked me “what song should a play at ur funeral?”
    I said “play the 5 second song disco girl in gravity falls”
    My friend said “I will play that goddam song until u are satisfied at ur funeral”
    I said “we’ll then you will have to play it 1692751318 times”

  • @JaxontheOkay
    @JaxontheOkay 2 года назад +262

    the emasculating of dipper was always a part of the show i was never a huge fan of. usually when a character receives "punishment" it's because they earned it. in this episode dipper didn't really do anything to earn the ridicule. his family was making fun of him and he was understandably upset.

    • @ieatbananaskins7926
      @ieatbananaskins7926 2 года назад

      Yeah but that's part of a family dynamic - your family takes the piss out of you for the littlest things and you're supposed to take the piss out of them

    • @BonaparteBardithion
      @BonaparteBardithion 2 года назад +53

      It was certainly a missed opportunity. Families frequently have an emotional punching bag, the sibling that ends up the butt of all jokes. They may not even be assigned the role deliberately. A few small teasing incidents add up and others add on like the way Mabel and Stan encourage each other until it's a running gag at that person's expense. Acknowledging that would've been a good chance to show that that's not okay.

    • @iantaakalla8180
      @iantaakalla8180 2 года назад +41

      They do acknowledge this fact later in “Dungeons, Dungeons and More Dungeons” but here would have been nice to place a remark to know this was a problem for Dipper back when we saw this episode

    • @mr.x2567
      @mr.x2567 2 года назад +5

      Honestly something I can relate to being treated like that growing up

    • @marnenotmarnie259
      @marnenotmarnie259 2 года назад +18

      yeah i like the episode and think it has a great message, but i never liked how mean stan *and* mabel were to dipper with no resolution. also imo manliness/you're not man enough kinda jokes are pretty outdated and overdone, but the episode did come out in 2012 so it makes sense lol

  • @wd3185
    @wd3185 2 года назад +21

    It's really a testament to when even the worst episodes, like this or Roadside Attraction, are still really, really solid. Sure, they pale in comparison to the standard of the show, but they're still leagues ahead of some other entire shows on the same channel. _That,_ to me, is a very impressive accomplishment.

  • @chrissyweaver3475
    @chrissyweaver3475 4 года назад +36

    This is a hated episode? I had no idea. I actually don't like Dipper all that much for the majority of the series and I LOVE this episode. I don't like how Mabel and Stan laughed at him, but I like this episode a lot.

  • @NintenRob
    @NintenRob 3 года назад +12

    Fun fact about this episode, it is set during Stans Birthday according to Journal 3.

  • @icecreamhero2375
    @icecreamhero2375 4 года назад +17

    Unrelated but I always wanted to see this gag on Gravity Falls. When the parents talk they sound like the grown ups on Charlie Brown. That would be hysterical.

  • @artyzara1799
    @artyzara1799 4 года назад +18

    I know that so many people consider this episode a weak one, but it kinda holds a special place in my heart. I used to watch reruns of it all the time, and the first time I ever saw the Gravity Falls characters was on that Subway add, in which they used clips from this episode (but with someone else voicing Mabel for some reason). Anyways, it's a cute one

  • @riverwing7497
    @riverwing7497 4 года назад +16

    I'm surprised a lot of people didn't like this episode as much. I enjoyed it and liked the message too

  • @rachealramis8499
    @rachealramis8499 3 года назад +14

    How many characters do Alex Hirsch voice like holy crap.

    • @justin6581
      @justin6581 11 месяцев назад +3

      Grunkle Stan, Soos, Bill Cipher, Old Man McGucket, Jeff the Gnome, Mayor Befufftlefumpter, Nate, Sev'ral Timez, Digi-Cod, Dippy Fresh, Gnomes, Jimmy, Laser Tag Announcer, Puppeteer, Quentin Trembley, Sev'ral Times, Sev'ral Timez Band Members, Shimmery Twinkleheart, Shmebulock Sr., Teen, The Cheapskate, and Young McGucket.

  • @flour5545
    @flour5545 4 года назад +36

    I did not even notice that this was a bad episide lol. Maybe because of nostalgia i forgot about it.

  • @jazlyn7590
    @jazlyn7590 2 года назад +7

    It was still a good episode. I liked the message about manliness that being a man is not always about brute strength or physical torture. You can just do whatever you like and no need to fit into a stereotype.

  • @landonelliot2985
    @landonelliot2985 4 года назад +126

    I know a lot of people dislike this episode but as a trans guy it's super relatable. Especially early in figuring out who I am. I think it's a pretty good one lol

    • @LucaGlitchy
      @LucaGlitchy 2 года назад +9

      Ik this is an old comment but I agree! It felt relatable when viewed as a trans person because of the anxiety that comes with try to pass as a amab person when I'm not, stuff like the lack of chest hair, the higher voice, and even the "girly" interests are things I can relate to Dipper with.

    • @yfeboanvakenss8841
      @yfeboanvakenss8841 2 года назад +2

      In case you don't know Dipper was first designed as a trans guy until Disney had a say in it

    • @fuckingfaceache
      @fuckingfaceache 2 года назад

      Same here!

    • @totallynotinsane3327
      @totallynotinsane3327 2 года назад +1

      @@yfeboanvakenss8841 thank God. I would've dropped the show

    • @yfeboanvakenss8841
      @yfeboanvakenss8841 2 года назад +1

      @@totallynotinsane3327 nobody asked

  • @gamera5160
    @gamera5160 2 года назад +12

    Dipper vs Manliness is one of my favorite plot lite episodes. I think it deals with insecurities and what it means to be manly. I think it also makes it clear why being a manly man or being "one of the boys" is appealing. The manotaurs are not just bad dudes. They have a positive effect on Dipper. I would go so far as to say that if Dipper didn't meet the manotaurs, I don't think he would have been confident enough to stand up to them and stick up for what he believes. Maybe I just enjoy building things and knocking them down.

  • @nathanielhellerstein5871
    @nathanielhellerstein5871 2 года назад +6

    I liked this episode. Dipper's rejection of manotaur manliness was indeed quite manly of him, and I found that satisfying.

  • @cledgefenrir5681
    @cledgefenrir5681 2 года назад +29

    4:27 I slightly disagree. Despite the creators intent I never saw the Manotaurs being toxic Masculinity but hyper Masculinity. Mainly with toxic being negative, and Hyper just over the top, they can obviously cross but not mutual

    • @unityedits3722
      @unityedits3722 2 года назад +9

      I'd say it became toxic when they decided that was the ONLY way to be a man

    • @lechuga9153
      @lechuga9153 Год назад +1

      Realest comments if I'm honest 🗿👍

  • @Epicfaceguy40
    @Epicfaceguy40 4 года назад +188

    Dipper vs Manliness was a good episode at the time, looking back at it now it is probably the weakest episode. But that’s to be expected because a show has to get you connected to the characters early on in the beginning otherwise how can they tell a great story.

    • @ConcealedWeaponry
      @ConcealedWeaponry 2 года назад +5

      Nah, the weakest episode definitely has to be Roadside Attraction.

  • @strangeavocado9279
    @strangeavocado9279 2 года назад +4

    This episode ages shockingly well. Made me forget it was written ten years ago

  • @user-xf7ns1du1z
    @user-xf7ns1du1z 7 месяцев назад +5

    *Dollar slides out of Stan's sleeve* 😳 "Tap. Tap." 😃

  • @angelhunter7557
    @angelhunter7557 2 года назад +6

    Puma shirt? Panther shirt? Puma shirt? Panther shirt? Puma shirt? ……….Panther shirt.

  • @zombiekiller7700
    @zombiekiller7700 2 года назад +4

    I could see how people say its a weaker episode maybe in story, but its such a funny and sweet episode. One of my favs

  • @CheshireCat-cm1si
    @CheshireCat-cm1si 4 года назад +238

    I, personally, always liked the message of this episode. It isn't my favorite (whenever I rewatch the series, I'll usually skip this one), but, other than A:TLA, when was the last time you saw an episode dedicated to toxic masculinity?

    • @gibbous_silver
      @gibbous_silver 4 года назад +3

      What was the ATLA toxic masculinity episode

    • @fanfusion4276
      @fanfusion4276 4 года назад +35

      @@gibbous_silver Probably The Kyoshi Warriors

    • @gibbous_silver
      @gibbous_silver 4 года назад +3

      FanFusion thanks

  • @cosamallender3276
    @cosamallender3276 4 года назад +26

    Me: argues with mabel haters
    *cc west has entered the chat
    Me: why do I hear boss music?

  • @WizardToby
    @WizardToby 2 года назад +4

    The episode had a great message about "what it means to be a man"
    which Dipper learns is about making your own choices and standing by it, rather than the typical "big burly punchy man" stereotype.

  • @boinkinboinkinboinkinboinkin
    @boinkinboinkinboinkinboinkin 4 года назад +161

    tbh I thought this episode was just way too awkward, I'd say it's my least favorite...the plot is great, and so are the gags, but something about it just makes me cringe.
    I could say similar things about Roadside Attraction, kinda awkward but still kind of good, But I can't get over the existence of simp Dipper and buff cow men

    • @boinkinboinkinboinkinboinkin
      @boinkinboinkinboinkinboinkin 4 года назад +13

      But In all honesty, I've watched Dipper Vs Manliness One and a half times, the second time I was like "Oh yeah...this is that one episode" and I've still avoided it ever since, it's been...what...almost 2 years since I've watched that episode? And if someone asked me if I hated anything about Gravity Falls I would say Dipper Vs Manliness. But as much as I dislike it, it has really good humor, and maybe I should give it a chance again

    • @alrightanimations2207
      @alrightanimations2207 4 года назад +28

      *s i m p d i p p e r a n d b u f f c o w m e n*

    • @softwhiskers607
      @softwhiskers607 4 года назад +2

      honestly same. I still like it, but It is a bit awkward

    • @genialdragon4843
      @genialdragon4843 4 года назад +5

      @Tin Watchman it has 2 meanings:
      1) a guy that is obsessed with one girl and would do anything to get her, like getting buffed or making step by step plans to get to dance with her.
      2) pretty much what you sayed.

    • @boinkinboinkinboinkinboinkin
      @boinkinboinkinboinkinboinkin 4 года назад +3

      @Tin Watchman in this context it means a flirt who will let himself be pushed around, and tries to spoil a girl in hopes she'll be interested

  • @CrennyCanon
    @CrennyCanon 2 года назад +7

    Unironically, this is my favorite episode, something about Dipper not falling into the the manotaur's thought of true manliness. struck a chord in 6 year old me. I still don't know why it did, was it how I would see my father fall into the toxic masculinity, was it the lack of knowing good masculinity and being surprised that there is another side to the coin?

  • @pinkspaghetti1
    @pinkspaghetti1 2 года назад +5

    i LOVED this episode, i thought the manotaurs were so funny and on the nose and the joke about the elder just being sacrifice, and multibear... no way, this was a treasure. i absolutely feel like this fit into the series! its not on the top of my list but its still amazing!

  • @youknowihaduwuittoem
    @youknowihaduwuittoem 2 года назад +13

    I started watching the show when it came out and I thought it was hilarious. I finally convinced my parents to sit down and watch a new episode with me and my brother and it was this one. I was horrified when it turned out to be the weakest episode to come out at that point and they didn’t laugh once. It was like showing the video you nearly peed yourself laughing at to your friend and they’re stonefaced the whole way through.

  • @Gr3nadgr3gory
    @Gr3nadgr3gory 2 года назад +6

    This is just one of the best episodes about "toxic masculinity" I've ever seen. The point to just like what you want is great.

  • @tiarezavaleta8850
    @tiarezavaleta8850 4 года назад +28

    Interesting that this episode and Roadside attraction are both kind of hated episodes. Maybe it is related to their commentary on masculinity, maybe not. Anyway I love both, the multibear and Darlene are my favorites. If there is one episode I skip is Dungeons, dungeons and more dungeons. It is not bad, I just feel it not so funny, although I like the meta comentary of Duck-tective.

  • @kashmrrdeano4846
    @kashmrrdeano4846 4 года назад +5

    This is my twentieth fav episode. It taught me about the horrors of puberty.

  • @AmberyTear
    @AmberyTear 2 года назад +1

    I wasn't aware that anyone out there dislikes this episode. I thought it was just as good as any other and the message was really good!

    • @qrowing
      @qrowing 2 года назад

      I certainly don't dislike it, but I don't exactly *like* it either. There are a lot of great gags in the episode (dipper with the deer, the pain hole, "so what i'm not a mailman?" "are you crying?") but something about it just feels.. a bit strange.

  • @fastball0824
    @fastball0824 4 года назад +11

    so we, the gravity falls fans who have stayed strong for 8 YEARS. dont like an episode?

  • @PenciltipWorkshop
    @PenciltipWorkshop 4 года назад +62

    I don't get the flak for this episode
    to me, this episode teaches that what it means to "be a man" is to stand up for what you think, which is lesson with a lot of merit.
    Dipper has all these lofty ideas of what a man/smart guy should be only to learn those perceptions are romanticized at best and being a respected/admired person isn't limited to one set of criteria. These are the kind of things you kinda have to decide for yourself

    • @SevenPr1me
      @SevenPr1me 4 года назад +9

      Basically it defines healthy masculinity in the presence of toxic masculinity

  • @GayFilipino47
    @GayFilipino47 4 года назад +7

    I only like the credit scene in this episode where Lazy Susan keeps calling Stan and the opening with Tyler trying to pick the shirt. It’s my second least favorite before Boyz Crazy.

  • @Figaroma
    @Figaroma Месяц назад

    Dipper VS Manliness is the thing that put me off finishing the show for quite a while bc the episode was tough to get through but boy am I glad I finished the show

  • @nataliefluckiger6568
    @nataliefluckiger6568 4 года назад +11

    I love this episode cuz of the message and cuz of disco girl💕✨

  • @toontrooper4103
    @toontrooper4103 2 года назад +1

    I loved listening to Jason Ritter in these commentaries. You can hear how much he genuinely loves the show and the people he worked with.

  • @Stale_Buns
    @Stale_Buns 4 года назад +5

    Thanks for uploading!
    Also you're pretty close to hitting 10k subs! Congratulations in advance

    • @ThatGFFAN
      @ThatGFFAN  4 года назад +2

      I'm honestly shocked about that. I only ever thought this channel would get like 1K subs at most. The growth it's had in the last few months has been insane, and I'm truly amazed and grateful for it.

  • @Nimblescape
    @Nimblescape 8 месяцев назад

    I love hearing his comparisons to the show. It obviously takes a lot of inspo from a lot of places, but the humor is just, so specifically unique and hard to describe, but lands every. single. time.

  • @brattyz
    @brattyz 4 года назад +7

    i never even knew this episode had a lot of hate, i loved this episode lol

  • @ciaranpatrick6859
    @ciaranpatrick6859 2 года назад +2

    This was actually the first episode I ever saw, when I was a kid and gravity falls was so new, and it’s what got me hooked onto the show

  • @belacickekl7579
    @belacickekl7579 4 года назад +5

    I really enjoy this episode, if mostly for the jokes. Interesting to hear Alex Hirsch's vision

  • @railenherman6482
    @railenherman6482 4 дня назад

    The fact that this episode gave us Disco Girl justifies its existence.

  • @rocky.rocks1445
    @rocky.rocks1445 3 года назад +5

    I can relate to Hirsch on a personal level about having a squeaky voice in 6th grade

  • @caseyyoung3406
    @caseyyoung3406 6 месяцев назад

    excellent description! i’ve never seen a youtube answering frequent questions and that’s so smart. love it

  • @snuggly_puff
    @snuggly_puff 4 года назад +3

    You are so epic, I love watching you, because you include my MOST favorite TV show. :D

  • @craycraywolf6726
    @craycraywolf6726 3 года назад +2

    The whole series is beautiful and great thx. There's something in every episode

  • @kidpickarus1967
    @kidpickarus1967 2 года назад +7

    i actually love this episode a lot bc im a trans guy and the whole thing rlly speaks to me personally

    • @baotrannguyenngoc9964
      @baotrannguyenngoc9964 Год назад

      Are you a tomboy girl or a girly boy ?

    • @theunicornbay4286
      @theunicornbay4286 Год назад

      You're right. Being a man is about sticking to what you believe in, so Im going to stick to my belief that you are not and will never be a boy

    • @NylaTheWolf
      @NylaTheWolf 10 дней назад

      It's really cool seeing how many trans guys this episode spoke to!

  • @nutella217
    @nutella217 2 года назад +1

    i can’t understand the hate for this episode, it’s the one that made me feel really connected to dipper’s character and some of the lines still live rent-free in my head
    “oh, sorry, i was looking for a mail man”
    “male? as in, i’m not male? IM NOT A MAN???”

  • @EarlyOwOwl
    @EarlyOwOwl 4 года назад +8

    Everyone's talking about the episode and no one is talking about Alex's amazing insight.

  • @VenhedisKaffas
    @VenhedisKaffas 4 года назад +7

    I still love this episode. It's not my favourite but Gravity Falls is just a work of art. I can't say about even one episode that "This one is bad". They're all written well. They're all funny and it all works with the overall plot. In my opinion, this show is still better than many other cartoons airing for children at the moment.

  • @hailey_the_ace_of_hearts4127
    @hailey_the_ace_of_hearts4127 4 года назад +6

    Don’t mind me bopping to the intro in the background

  • @ObaREX
    @ObaREX 4 года назад +2

    I actually loved this episode when it aired.
    I was a little older than the demographic (I had just graduated high school) but I related a ton to dipper and I think it was the start of me being forever connected to him throughout the show.

  • @erinchristoph
    @erinchristoph 4 года назад +8

    I had no idea this was a hated episode, it's always been one of my favorites. It might not be that important to the plot, but it's hilarious and sweet -- what more could you want?

  • @BubbaDaBarb
    @BubbaDaBarb 2 года назад +1

    This is hands down my favorite episode in the series. The jokes are all on point and it needed episodes like this to break the seriousness of the main plot on occasion.

  • @tiwtych
    @tiwtych 4 года назад +5

    Oh this was uploaded minutes ago. Pretty cool as I just found this channel

  • @thatsjarrod1965
    @thatsjarrod1965 2 года назад +1

    How insane, that's literally my favorite episode

  • @VirgoArtsOfficial
    @VirgoArtsOfficial 3 года назад +35

    This episode birthed the Trans Dipper headcanon, and I’m so grateful.

  • @Tillyard86
    @Tillyard86 2 года назад +2

    There aren’t many memorable moments in this one but I still liked it.
    Best moment is Stan’s “before” photo actually being better than what he’s become.
    I had in the top ten list of did, and I think I did get a bit of hate in the comments for that.

    • @ThatGFFAN
      @ThatGFFAN  2 года назад +1

      Hey. I remember you from the Mabel video from a few years back. How's it going? :)

    • @Tillyard86
      @Tillyard86 2 года назад +1

      @@ThatGFFAN not sure I remember you, did we make a video together or something?

    • @ThatGFFAN
      @ThatGFFAN  2 года назад +1

      @@Tillyard86 Back when you made those video responses about that video made that was hating on Mabel. I made a video on it back in the day and I remember you commented on it and that was how I found out about you videos on the topic.

    • @Tillyard86
      @Tillyard86 2 года назад +1

      @@ThatGFFAN I see, did you watch my response to the second video?

    • @duduamrosh
      @duduamrosh Год назад

      How sad that Mabel gets so much hate

  • @StrawberryCocoaPowder
    @StrawberryCocoaPowder 2 года назад +3

    I hated that episode a lot as a kid and even now because I didn't like how Dipper was being made fun of for not “being a man”. But I never liked the moments in the show where Dipper gets treated like trash in general because I really like him as a character. Plus, he's very cute ._.

  • @PeteOfDawn
    @PeteOfDawn 2 года назад +2

    This episode is pretty much the “The Great Divide” of Gravity Falls

    • @beast_pasta2392
      @beast_pasta2392 2 года назад

      From the community's perspective, yes. Both of these episodes are my second least favourite episodes of their respective series. I thought "Bato of the Southern Water Tribe" was worse.

  • @crumbleboyo284
    @crumbleboyo284 4 года назад +14

    Gravity falls will be the most greatest show of all life time

    • @cotton7690
      @cotton7690 4 года назад

      *y e s - i will tell my kids, if I even have kids, to watch this show, they will probably say it is old but i will make them watch it and see, it's a masterpiece (other than the pretty bad episodes but eh, who cares.)*

  • @mushlii
    @mushlii 2 года назад +1

    How weird that the “worst” episode gave us a very iconic moment in gravity falls. The iconic disco girl song.