I love that even the animation team were made deeply uncomfortable by the deer teeth. It's a sign of a great sequence when even the creators are giving it the side eye
I love the cut scene as a scene but as an introduction to Bill as we'd see him I agree with the change. "Deer teeth" really establishes that he's not only chaotic and carefree, but also *absolutely terrifying.* "Oh that's a great offer, how about instead I shuffle the functions of every hole in your face?"
I’m kinda glad that Bill was introduced the way he ways, he was originally a small random villain but ended up becoming the main enemy in season 2. Still, it’s pretty interesting how he was supposed to be shown in the series!
I love the fact that gideon asks Bill to enter Stanford's mind and Bill reflects upon this words, revises the twins fighting (at least one frame of it) and just says "Stan..." So it wouldn't reveal to gideon or the audience he knows Stanley is not who he says he is.
I much prefer the scene we got. Getting to see who summoned bill and why fleshes out Gideon and establishes their relationship..... we also would have likely harassed the team till they told us how he was summoned.
Yeah, I also feel like "Gideon summoned Bill" would be underwhelming as a "reveal." Gideon would be such an obvious candidate for Bill's summoning that I feel like the fans would've started suspecting all kinds of outlandish candidates and get disappointed for it to just be Gideon again. Gideon works as a villain because he's easy to dismiss up until he demonstrates his willingness to get involved with the supernatural. And I think showing those moments where Gideon crosses those lines are such great character moments that make him legit intimidating.
@@cromanticheer @Cromanti Cheer it would have been. Not because its bad or anything, but because they sorta set that precident for keeping things from fans for good reason. So for that to be excluded, underwhealming is the perfect word. Very true. I think i even had moments where i wasnt sure of Gideon lol. Absolutely!!
Bill's introduction was so incredibly iconic that I'm surprised that it was added so late. "Deer teeth, for you, kid," "I know lots of things," the blue-fire handshake, that one frame of him snapping his fingers that shows up anywhere anyone mentions Bill Cipher, his ending ramble...
I've gotta say, the way Bill wobbles back and forth in Matt's storyboard right after coming out of the portal is hilarious, that and many other movements (+ the perfectly round eye) give it an even more chaotic and goofy feeling that I love. I wish I could hear dialogue for that sotryboard.
Far from it! One of the greatest and most influential animated television programs of its time, perhaps of all time! I put Alex Hirsch up there with pioneers like Alexander Anderson, Jay Ward, Matt Groening and Joe Murray!
honestly my favorite gag of the show, if you woke up and saw text like that it would scare the shit out of you but bill decided "fuck it we do a little trolling" and drew a turkey on dippers hand
i like how at 1:00, Bill acts like a 60's cartoon character in the storyboard, and i would love it if he had an aesthetic like that, like, if that was his *thing*
I guess they got their wish granted in the puppet episode. Bill and Dipper’s confrontation there is really good and probably similar to what his intro would have looked like.
I love how they stated it was really good on it's own. So many times, scenes are deleted despite being good because it's mostly good on it's own... it's one of the reasons BvS sucked... the individual scenes were amazing, yet put together, it didn't work... Putting together scenes is like putting together a dish... it's not which ingredient tastes better on it's own... but which one tastes better grouped with other ingredients..
I actually really like the tone shift with the final scene. I don't think the villain should be introduced strictly comedically and I think the tone shift is good foreshadowing for season 2's evolution stylistically.
my favourite kind of character has always been an all powerful god that acts like a goofball. i just love the idea of a thing that can do whatever it could ever want, but decides to just have fun in its own sick way with no care about what others think
This is honestly a thing I see a lot for a lot of creators and teams, be it a big production or a small team on RUclips. You have an idea, it's nearly set, but you feel that thing in the back of your head like "Does this seem off?" and it ALWAYS happen!
Oh wow this opened my eye to something incredibly obvious. H-he's based on the all-seeing eye on a dollar bill. And he's named Bill. B-because he's on the dollar bill.
The scene we got at the end, as the finished product is so much better better than the draft one, at least idea-wise. Introducing your main villain as: ''Haha I will do bad stuff to you for no apparently known reason hahaha try to stop me you stupid protagonist 😛'' is just a really dumb idea in my opinion.
Dang, that’s a scene I love. I don’t get what people don’t love about it? It’s just a insane dude with teeth. Love it the most. Bill being crazy is the best- evil in a particular way!
It was never in Bill's interest in any way to tip Dipper off that he existed and what his plans are. Not a smart move. So I thought the deleted scene, while it had cool ideas, was weak in terms of storytelling. Bill revealing himself when summoned by the desperate and gullible Gideon was a better approach.
3:28 i actually laughed out loud it so stupid i love it lmao 'The dream was real. -Bill' *dippers horrified face* 'look what i did to your other hand' 'look a turkey' :D (bills so proud of himself i love that for him)
Have a brief scene with Gideon in the woods (not being watched) summoning something, and we see the silhouette of Bill. Then go to Dipper's dream and have the rest of Bill's intro the same as originally planned. There ya go, just insert a short scene and there's no need to scrap anything. The audience is smart enough to connect the scenes.
A one trillion year old demon was scared of a 12 year old girl. As he Imprisoned her to make sure he wouldn't escape. If he made the prison terrifying not a paradise, Mabel would absolutely do anything to get out and defeat him like the last time. As he knows that she is optimistic and would help her brother and her great uncles to defeat him. She is a good girl not terrible.
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I love that even the animation team were made deeply uncomfortable by the deer teeth. It's a sign of a great sequence when even the creators are giving it the side eye
I love the cut scene as a scene but as an introduction to Bill as we'd see him I agree with the change. "Deer teeth" really establishes that he's not only chaotic and carefree, but also *absolutely terrifying.*
"Oh that's a great offer, how about instead I shuffle the functions of every hole in your face?"
Another one I don't really see being talked about was the time that he gifted a screaming human head to dipper, even if it was a dream
What about every face in your hole?
Especially in hindsight, because he wasn't even physically in their reality at that point.
I’m kinda glad that Bill was introduced the way he ways, he was originally a small random villain but ended up becoming the main enemy in season 2. Still, it’s pretty interesting how he was supposed to be shown in the series!
And he’s still talked about today (Granted mostly because of King but still)
@@ihavetowait90daystochangem67 what are you talking abt? who's king??
@@waffler-yz3gw a character from the show The Owl House, they are probably reffering to the fact that Kings voice sounds exactly the same as Bills
Yeah, the way he ways is great
@@kelkinniemoment1780 “sounds exactly the same” it’s literally the same guy
I love the fact that gideon asks Bill to enter Stanford's mind and Bill reflects upon this words, revises the twins fighting (at least one frame of it) and just says "Stan..." So it wouldn't reveal to gideon or the audience he knows Stanley is not who he says he is.
BINGO!!
Bill probably was really confused lol
@@Claudia_Crimson_585 For a moment. He knows Stanford was in other dimention because he fighting with him.
I much prefer the scene we got. Getting to see who summoned bill and why fleshes out Gideon and establishes their relationship..... we also would have likely harassed the team till they told us how he was summoned.
Yeah, I also feel like "Gideon summoned Bill" would be underwhelming as a "reveal." Gideon would be such an obvious candidate for Bill's summoning that I feel like the fans would've started suspecting all kinds of outlandish candidates and get disappointed for it to just be Gideon again.
Gideon works as a villain because he's easy to dismiss up until he demonstrates his willingness to get involved with the supernatural. And I think showing those moments where Gideon crosses those lines are such great character moments that make him legit intimidating.
@@cromanticheer @Cromanti Cheer it would have been. Not because its bad or anything, but because they sorta set that precident for keeping things from fans for good reason. So for that to be excluded, underwhealming is the perfect word.
Very true. I think i even had moments where i wasnt sure of Gideon lol. Absolutely!!
Bill's introduction was so incredibly iconic that I'm surprised that it was added so late. "Deer teeth, for you, kid," "I know lots of things," the blue-fire handshake, that one frame of him snapping his fingers that shows up anywhere anyone mentions Bill Cipher, his ending ramble...
I've gotta say, the way Bill wobbles back and forth in Matt's storyboard right after coming out of the portal is hilarious, that and many other movements (+ the perfectly round eye) give it an even more chaotic and goofy feeling that I love. I wish I could hear dialogue for that sotryboard.
there is a video of Alex doing a live reading! You should find it searching like Bill Cipher deleted scene
I’m just glad no one forgot about this show 😭😭😭
Too good to be forgotten
Never
Far from it! One of the greatest and most influential animated television programs of its time, perhaps of all time! I put Alex Hirsch up there with pioneers like Alexander Anderson, Jay Ward, Matt Groening and Joe Murray!
Of course not. They broke the memory eraser gun at the end of season two,so it’s impossible to forget!
If you think you can forget just remember Bill is ALWAYS WATCHING!
"It was boarded by Matt Braly."
*Conveniently shows frog at exact same time*
omg i had to go back and look but yeah XD that's too good.
"The dream is real
-Bill
Look what I did to your other hand"
[Hand turkey]
honestly my favorite gag of the show, if you woke up and saw text like that it would scare the shit out of you but bill decided "fuck it we do a little trolling" and drew a turkey on dippers hand
As a person who makes “What if’s” for this show, I MUST KNOW EVERY SINGLE DETAIL THAT HAPPENED IN THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT FOR THIS EPISODE!
there's a video here on RUclips of Alex explaining what happens.
Found it by searching “bill cipher deleted scene” :)
“Dear teeth?” “Dear teeth was like a new high”
Bro they really sat there writing the show like “but you know what would be REALLY GOOD? Dear teeth.”
Deer*
i like how at 1:00, Bill acts like a 60's cartoon character in the storyboard, and i would love it if he had an aesthetic like that, like, if that was his *thing*
I guess they got their wish granted in the puppet episode. Bill and Dipper’s confrontation there is really good and probably similar to what his intro would have looked like.
I love how they stated it was really good on it's own. So many times, scenes are deleted despite being good because it's mostly good on it's own... it's one of the reasons BvS sucked... the individual scenes were amazing, yet put together, it didn't work...
Putting together scenes is like putting together a dish... it's not which ingredient tastes better on it's own... but which one tastes better grouped with other ingredients..
What's BvS?
@@syweb2 I think Batman vs Superman
Lmaoo the random ass BvS reference
Shup
Even though the original was very funny, I guess the one they went with actually made him seem threatening and evil and stuff
"Am i crazy, Mike?"
"Yeah..."
I feel like deer teeth makes him immediate threat whereas with the alternate scene he doesn't really seem that menacing
I'm happy with what we've got
I didn't realize until now that Bill flashes when he talks
Oh my god I didn't know Alex Hirsch was a fan of Bone! I LOVED those comics growing up
Me too
I still prefer the original, but I understand their reasoning of "The episode is more important than the scene".
I actually really like the tone shift with the final scene. I don't think the villain should be introduced strictly comedically and I think the tone shift is good foreshadowing for season 2's evolution stylistically.
my favourite kind of character has always been an all powerful god that acts like a goofball. i just love the idea of a thing that can do whatever it could ever want, but decides to just have fun in its own sick way with no care about what others think
This is honestly a thing I see a lot for a lot of creators and teams, be it a big production or a small team on RUclips. You have an idea, it's nearly set, but you feel that thing in the back of your head like "Does this seem off?" and it ALWAYS happen!
Oh wow this opened my eye to something incredibly obvious. H-he's based on the all-seeing eye on a dollar bill. And he's named Bill. B-because he's on the dollar bill.
oh godammit
Give the man a Good star!!
HOW DID I NEVER REALIZE THE NAME CONNECTION .
I realized this before I even watched GF, though it was really cool lol
I love this show
if I recall correctly he was also supposed to be green at first because the dollar is green
The scene we got at the end, as the finished product is so much better better than the draft one, at least idea-wise. Introducing your main villain as: ''Haha I will do bad stuff to you for no apparently known reason hahaha try to stop me you stupid protagonist 😛'' is just a really dumb idea in my opinion.
I can imagine Bill saying that though.
Yunno if he said exactly that it might have worked Honestly
Given how Bill is, that would work, but I do agree that that approach could also easily fail just as quickly.
I didn't know it was possible, but i love Bill even more now
Even though Bill is a bad guy, he is a fun, and a twisted character. Too bad they didn't do the original
HEY LOOK ITS ME
no its not
hearing them mention the Bone series made me foam at the mouth with excitement
It makes me so happy to hear him mention Bone
Dang, that’s a scene I love. I don’t get what people don’t love about it? It’s just a insane dude with teeth. Love it the most. Bill being crazy is the best- evil in a particular way!
Little channel announcement...I have something big coming soon ;)
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Voice reveal?
Hand reveal?
Eye reveal?
I was wondering why in the introductory scene he didn’t have a black outline but in the rest of the episode he did
I already knew about all of this but hearing it from the producers makes it even better
id love to see the original introduction for bill fully animated!
This probably explains why Bill design is different in Stanley mind
I’m glad Alex Hirsch references Bone! It’s a kinda underrated book series!
You know, if the Book of Bill and the website is leading up to a season 3, I bet this scrapped introduction could be used to reintroduce Bill.
“Deer teeth, trust me”.
I’m waiting for this guy to get verified
deer teeth is perfect for bill
i haven't heard anyone mention the bone series in what seems like decades other than myself
"Look I made a turkey!"
I wish we could've had both! The part where Bill is gossiping to himself about Dipper liking Wendy was hilarious!
It was never in Bill's interest in any way to tip Dipper off that he existed and what his plans are. Not a smart move. So I thought the deleted scene, while it had cool ideas, was weak in terms of storytelling. Bill revealing himself when summoned by the desperate and gullible Gideon was a better approach.
Deer teeth will forever haunt my nightmares.
Me whose name is Giddeon:....this feels WEIRD!
I already see it and many of the scrap jokes end being reused for "Sock Opera" but i'm disappointed that they never use the "Bill wink" joke
3:28
i actually laughed out loud it so stupid i love it lmao
'The dream was real. -Bill'
*dippers horrified face*
'look what i did to your other hand'
'look a turkey' :D
(bills so proud of himself i love that for him)
Billy was the Mxyzptlk of the show huh
The true definition of ‘kill your darlings’ the scene might be the best thing ever but if it doesn’t fit, you gotta cut it sadly.
Have a brief scene with Gideon in the woods (not being watched) summoning something, and we see the silhouette of Bill. Then go to Dipper's dream and have the rest of Bill's intro the same as originally planned. There ya go, just insert a short scene and there's no need to scrap anything. The audience is smart enough to connect the scenes.
I'm confused, what would be the reason people think it's controversial?
that it's summoning a demon, S&P has gotten things cancelled like "bottles will be spun" on a flyer out of the episode before
@@calvingoshe7588 "'not S&P approved' has been S&P approved"
I’m not gonna lie, I thought someone was mad about “blah blah Illuminati demon”
They explained why it's controversial in the clip. Not controversial for us but for the writing team
@@foursidekm The title says "But not for the reason you think" I understand what it says in the video, but I didn't understand what the title implied.
Bill Cipher is the greatest villain of all time.
change my mind. go ahead and try.
no one would be able to change your mind though,he is the greatest villian we've had in a long time,I don't see many other villain trying to top him
@@adamk-paxlogan7330Sucks i love LOVE how this is from 2 days ago at this time
No reason to change your mind but if you’re asking for recommendations for iconic villains, have you ever played the Portal games?
The fkn flaming tire tracks bill enters with
I just noticed the negative 12 dollar bill is in book 2. That’s a fun detail
2:13 I opened my phone cause I paused the video and I think I made a Anime intro-
This is so amazing
I was today years old when I realised he's called Bill because he's partially based on the back of a dollar bill sign
SPOOKY SPELLS SPOOKY SPELLS
the impact bill had on me is immense, I still say the whole "buy gold" line and I carry a pouch of deer teeth with me (shhh don't ask where I got it)
Why then?
Holy shit Bone mentioned
ALEX HIRISH HAS READ BONE?!??
Yoooo Alex read Bone!!
BONE MENTIONED I REPEAT THIS IS NOT A DRILL BONE MENTIONED
hey That GF FAN, have you heard or read anything from "The Cowardly Christian" on that Fanfiction place?
just curious . . .
Uh, no????
@@ThatGFFAN oh, ok.
The only problem I have with bills reveal is that it was very late in the series
What
It happens before the halfway point tho?
There were tiny drawings of him hidden in town in earlier episodes
@@mesmoe-rizing and he always appear on intro from episode 1!
He’s in my wallet!
Haha, this is interesting!
tbh I would have accepted the deer teeth from Bill (I need mental help)
queen matt braly!!!
Damn you must REALLY LOVE GRAVITY FALLS😳
HEY IM A BIG FAN OF THE SHOW ALSO😀
A one trillion year old demon was scared of a 12 year old girl.
As he Imprisoned her to make sure he wouldn't escape.
If he made the prison terrifying not a paradise, Mabel would absolutely do anything to get out and defeat him like the last time.
As he knows that she is optimistic and would help her brother and her great uncles to defeat him.
She is a good girl not terrible.
That's precisely the reason I was thinking, what else was I supposed to think?
Pog
Summoning a demon?
I am really glad it was the way it is now. The scene's awesome and a perfect introduction!
+ "egassem sdrawkcab"