@prico3358yeah.. Make sense!! It's scaringly realistic.. 2 years ago.. I was "mentally not okay" It felt completely different.. Just like this movie.. Mental health is serious thing.. Here in India people don't take it seriously!!!
Once he killed Penny, he became Joker and stopped trying to be normal. That is when his confidence came out for real. He became confident when he accepted that he was Joker.
Thats the joke he was laughing at at the end. The punchline is that now Thomas Wayne's son is going to grow up traumatized, like Arthur, and without a father who was supposed to be Thomas, like Arthur. It's actually pretty funny that it worked out like that. But I also believe that he could have just made up the whole story in his head, just to arrive at the same conclusion, and then escapes the asylum (for the FIRST TIME) having fully transformed himself into the Joker by the force of his fantasy, as if it all really happened.
This movie uses a literary device called "Unreliable narrator". The whole story is being shown from Arthur's point of view but since Arthur hallucinates and has a hard time knowing what's real we as the audience can't be sure either.
The Joker has 3 different laughs and they are distinctly different from one another. See if you can hear the difference between the 3. One laugh is when he cant control his laughter and its physically painful. One laugh is when he pretends to laugh with other people to not feel left out / to blend in. One laugh is when he actually laughs at things he finds funny. Edit : this is something Joaquin Phoenix revealed in an interview about the Joker's character development.
I remember some people complaining because they were expecting more of an action movie style joker. I loved this flick from day. Its a brutal masterpiece
Ok last thing. You.guys missed when his boss said Randolph (guy who gave him gun) LIED to the boss and said Arther was trying to give him a gun. And the only reason they showed up to his house was to see what Arther told the police. He was not a real friend. IT WAS NOTADE UP
The boss said that Arthur asked Randolph about getting a gun. But we don't know which is true. They went to his apartment to make sure he wasn't telling the police he got the gun from Randolph because he didn't. Or maybe because he did. We don't know.
It's pretty obvious Randolph hated Arthur and lied about giving him the gun. He was trying to get Arthur fired. He was Never Arthur's friend, nor Gary's, just a bully.
I think this works best if you don't eve think of this character as THE Joker. That's something he may become later but right now he's just a guy who's been treated badly by the world.
If the WHOLE thing was in his head, he started telling himself this story when he hit his head really hard in the asylum... Then came to the SAME conclusion and transformed himself into Joker by just the force of his internal fantasy and the narrative he built. Then he kills the nurse and escapes the asylum for the FIRST time, and walks out fully Joker into ANY Gotham you want to put him in to tell your Batman story.
The moral of this story is that if someone is treated poorly by everyone in their life, they will start to identify the people who are indifferent to their suffering as their abusers. And theyre not wrong. We live in a society
Joaquin Phoenix took home the Oscar for Best Actor in the movie. It was the highest grossing R Rated movie to make $1 billion dollars at the box office. It drew a lot of controversy upon release as it involved someone with severe mental health issues being turned into a hero rather than villain
I loved how at the end when he walked up to the camera the lights changed the color of his suit from a reddish color to the Jokers classic purple suit.
I feel invisible quite a bit. I've retreated from people because they are awful most of the time. But I still want to connect and care about others. That's why reaction channels like yours help me cope. Sober 10/01/2019. Thank you for being here.
This movie is an excellent reminder to be good to everyone around you..you never know who you're standing next to..as a mental patient myself in NYC,You GET WHAT YOU FUCKIN DESERVE!..hits home... everyone is struggling w something...it gets me emotional every time I hear it.. great movie 🔥
Joker holds a special place in the list of modern DC movies because the movie is a gamble. The character of the Joker is one of the most iconic comic book villains around and is easily worth over $1,000,000,000 to a movie studio. Instead of making a movie about the origins of The Joker they instead made a sorrowful character study about a man suffering from mental illness living a miserable life. It's a wonderful film and your reaction and commentary at the end of this video were great!
The movie definitely wants you to question if what you see is reliable. But that being said, every time Joker is fantasizing or hallucination, the movie tells you. When he imagined hugging the late night guy, they showed us it wasn't real. Dating the girl, they showed us it wasn't real. That is why I think everything else in the movie really happened.
When he says that line that if it was him ending in the street you'd walk right over him, I wonder if he was channeling his brother River. Who OD'd and ended in the street and people literally walked right over him.
18:13 He felt free, spontaneous, without any inhibitions after he K those guys. That is what the dance was representing. He was just feeling the vibes ending those guys.
Joaquín, Heath, and Jack played 3 different Jokers in 3 very different movies. All were 💯. Its all contextual. Neither Heath nor Joaquín would fit into Tim Burton's Batman but Jack could never be Arthur Fleck. Heath was a comedy genius whilst being a complete maniac. But knowing his range as an actor, he probably could have done anything he wanted.
What I took from the ending shot of Bruce standing next to his dead parents was when Arthur tells the psychiatrist that she wouldn’t get the joke. I take that as the joke is, that his enemy was created when the Waynes parents were killed.
It's an alternate version of the Joker, so nothing can really be taken from this film beyond the movie itself and it's upcoming sequel. Most superhero movies are like that when it comes to being comic accurate. They are focusing primarily on the insanity of the character in this movie and I expect the sequel whereas Nicholson's version focused on his madcap aspects and Ledger's on his brutality. Each did a fantastic job in their own way and when melded together would well represent the Joker overall.
This movie is one of my all-time favorites, comic books aside, Joaquin Phoenix did an oustanding job depicting someone who is sick/insane. The movie shows the brutal treatment of people suffering mental illness. They are mocked and ridiculed and people dismiss them as garbage. Gary always treated Arthur well because he related to what it was like being mistreated. MAN when I first saw the trailer to this movie I instantly dismissed that it was a "DC" movie, this is a master piece imo and Joaquin Phoenix deserved winning the Academy Award for best actor. When I first saw it in theaters and saw the scene where he walks into Sophie's apartment (his "gf") and she asks who he is, I got goosebumps man. Idc what anyone says, this move is one of my favorite movies. A comment I read also shines a light on something some miss, "Arthur was not initially going on the TV show with the gun to kill Murray, he was going to kill himself live on TV as a statement, but once he got talking to Murray, he realized the true target, was actually Murray. The punch line of his "What do you get" was to kill himself but twisted it, in to ending with "You get what you deserve" and killing Murray, instead of himself." Note that this movie has no ties to the other Bat Man movies, it's in its own universe. If you liked it, I'd recommend you watch The Batman if you haven't already, it's starring Robert Pattinson. Imo, a really good depiction of "detective" Bruce Wayne.
Guys... The comedy club was called Pogo's... The real life serial killer John Wayne Gacy, known as The killer clown due to him dressing as a clown for kids parties... His clowns name was... Yep... Pogo.
Also the club at the end in the background of the riot is the Ace In The Hole, implying both that Gotham is a hole, and alluding to ACE Chemical (so he transforms into Joker at the "same" place)
I'm a grown-ass man and the ending where he's finally recognized as a symbol and a representative, and when he doesn't have to hide who he really is, always gets me to tear up and cry a little with a big smile on his face. The line in his diary about the worst part of mental illness is having to pretend that you're not resonates with me, because as an immigrant I'm from part of the world that really doesn't recognize mental health as being important. It wasn't until I came to Canada that I realized how much it's neglected, and how much that neglect has negatively affected me and others like me. Psychology has always been an interest in my life because of that, and I'm starting graduate school for counselling psychology this year, and I want to be part of that change. Seeing that ending is like looking in a carnival mirror, where it distorts your reflection and shows you a warped version of yourself, and I saw myself and every other underdog out there reflected in Arthur surrounded by others like him. I absolutely love this movie.
My first time watching this movie I almost felt like someone was switching my channels while I was trying to watch. Every couple of minutes there was a plot twist so severe that it was like I was watching a different program. I've watched it three or four times since then and pick up on something I previously missed every time. The writing, especially on a "mystery/thriller" level, is so next level it broke the meter. Brilliantly done.
He gets in the fridge because it symbolises the moment all doors are closed for him and he feels he is in a cold dark space, once the fridge door closes the lights go off
I think the ending was real, because by that point he had fully become the Joker and because we know Bruce's parents do die. I think he got captured afterwards but killed again and managed to escape, because thats what the Joker always does. In the comics there's no agreed upon origin for the Joker, it's constantly changing. This is also a standalone story not connected to any of the other Batman movies.
I love your pronunciation of the actor’s name. “Jah-queen”. No mockery intended, that’s a great way to say it. Matter of fact I think I’ll say it that way from now on myself:)
Guys, the joke on his notebook in his apartment was "the worst part about having a mental illness is PEOPLE EXPECT YOU TO BEHAVE AS IF YOU DON'T" So this is the full joke. Like it or not it's true hahah Arthur getting himself inside the fridge was a suicide attempt. Most people don't realize that. Also the small guy in Arthur's work is not the same actor who plays Tyrion from Game of Thrones. I don't know his name but I think you guys were thinking about Peter Dinklage or something.he is so different haha And finally, probably is just an opinion not very in common but I think his jokes are very good but in different perspectives. Like in a way he is throwing in people's faces the terrible sense of humor society has in his way of thinking. Like being a comedian is someone who doesn't need a job and others subjective jokes lol Arthur can't connect with people so he can have a unpopular perspective through misery and attention, whatever...
When it sounds like Arthur is "fake laughing" at comedians on stage and jokes of coworkers (not when he is emotional) it's because he is. He is trying to do what he thinks is apppropriate. He only genuinely laughs or smiles out of joy after he lets go of being Arthur, and embraces his dark side as Joker. It's also why he dances after killing people- he feels euphoric.
So i believe when he comes thru the curtains that was him reaching his final form. Once he loses his meds 'the joker' starts to bleed thru more. When he is smoking and writing in his journal, he hits the cigs pauses a sec and then continues to write but with his left hand instead of the right one. Check that scene out again its a small detail but i believe it implies that Arthur is right handed and 'the joker' is left handed split personalities. This is a great movie.
Speechless. Good review. U picked up on so many things that slipped by me. I look at things so literal/face value. Spooky things like this really go on in ppl's broken minds.
53:55 it’s funny you say that because while this movie was in theaters many of them had extra security and even police inside and out of the building in fear of what people may have done almost like they were expecting followers of the joker
This movie really drives home what mental illness and our society's lack of support for it looks like. If he could have gotten the help he actually needed, if people were more empathetic to his situation, none of the bad stuff he did would likely have happened. I'm not saying every mentally ill person can be cured and that none will ever do anything violent... just that it's a reflection of our society that we look down on people who are different, to the point where we basically just discard them and ignore them. This movie tears me up inside because of knowing this sort of thing happens to people every day. We have to raise our kids to be better than stooping as low as bullying someone else. I'm sick of people acting like we're supposed to not have emotions or that everyone needs to "toughen up". If anything, everyone needs to soften their heart a bit and stop being so callous and cruel to each other.
My cousin has the same or very similar condition to the Joker's, in that whenever he's nervous, upset, scared, or startled, he laughs. And the worse his emotions, the harder and louder he laughs. It's like an uncontrollable scream, except that it doesn't sound like it to anyone else. He used to get picked on a lot in school because of it.
So much to say. Chris Nolans version of the Waynes were good but not all comic versions. In the comics Thomas Wayne had a doctor named Doctor Stoner who would do experiements on people and theynwould cover it up and call them crazy. Dr Stoners name is the doctor who signed off on Pennys papers in this movie. There is a comic version where its left up in the air if joker could be batmans brother. And remember Thomas wrote T.W. on tje back of her picture, so we cant make a determination on that. Everything about joker is unreliable but serious at the same time because of his impact. So much more to write but ill leave it there. Love you guys.😊
I respect the vagueness of the story because in Batman comics the Joker’s Origen was a mystery but though Arthur Flec is considered the first Joker there ended up being two more Jokers 😳 The sequel should be interesting to see Lady GaGa as Harley Quinn - the entire movie might end up being in her head 😳
BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE JOKERS IS... CONFUSION, CHAOS , THE JOKERS REAL BACKSTORY IS UNKNOWN , THATS A GREAT THING U CAN INTERPRET HIS STORY THE WAY U CHOOSE TO
Dark Knight is a fully formed Joker. This is a work in progress (very much like a comedian, gotta work on your act, see what lands, what doesn't and figure it out). "Comedy is subjective Murray" fills like the core pathos of this Joker. Give this Joker time and he can and will refine his acts of violence.
The key that he really killed Murry on the show is he said "you get what you fucking deserve" and that is what the guy who killed Bruce's parents said as he was inspired by Joker doing it on the show.
Joaquin Phoenix then 19, lost his famous and talented brother River Phoenix 23 when he passed away outside a club in L.A called The Viper Room in 1993. The clubwas part owned by Jonny Depp. Rivers death was due to complications from a suspected overdose. Joaquin was at the club that night with his brother. I believe the pain & darkness Joaquin can produce in his roles comes from some real life wxperiences. Such a sad loss on that Halloween night in 1993. Rest in peace River and to Joaquin, your big b would be so proud of you.
I liked all the actors because the different Jokers were all very different things. Batman is mostly the same in every incarnation with some aesthetic changes but the Joker is always presented with a fresh take. And I think all the actors did a spot on job fleshing these different Jokers out if that makes sense. This one imo is the most horrifying one. Maybe because this is the most possible.
I think his mentioning that he wasn't really sure if he existed was based on how people treated him. He did have that little bubble with his mother, but the outside world would largely just look & dismiss him. A bit like the therapist, who just asked the same questions every week, running through the routine, but not really seeing him. Then he killed the bankers, it made the news, and for once people were actually acknowledging something he had done, that he actually existed in their world as well.
The movie is really up to interpretation. You figured out how he had his dis-associative disorder between being the nervous himself and the confident Joker. The movie is a social commentary (again up to interpretation) of society letting the lower class fall through the cracks. Yes it is believed he killed the TV host and after the riot he was caught and is now in Arkham. Lot of music in this movie as a great support as well. Super excited for Joker 2 with Gaga.
If you're interested, they documented what Joaquin did to prepare for the role. He studied mental patients, researched their habits, went to a mental hospital, etc. One of the things that I missed the first time: he writes differently on the right pages than he does on the left. From what I got the end with him standing on the cop car was another psychotic event. That's how he saw himself - an inspiration to all those less fortunate. But he never escaped the hospital and ended up in the asylum. I simply 'assumed' they skipped some of the other parts. Or.. with Joker 2 perhaps it is all imagined. Many people mentioned that the Joker's true origin story isn't really defined in the comics, which is also why Heath Ledger's Joker always had a different story for his upbringing.
We also don't know how smart Arthur really is or what hidden talents he may have. He's been on 7 different psychotropic medications. Most of them take weeks to really wear off so the Genius Arthur may emerge once he dries out. We've only met drugged-up Arthur.
In the comics, there are four different versions of the Joker. Nicholson, Letto, Ledger and Phoenix portrayed all four in the films. Mark Hamill portrayed this version in the animated Batman series. All portrayals have their merits for being unique and believable.
I was never a super hero movie fan. I saw this because of the hype and man what a surprise. The scary part is this could really happen. There’s nothing supernatural here.
You guys nailed it. Most people take the story of the movie as gospel, but it isn't. Arthur is delusional and he is telling the whole story. We don't know what is real or not. Maybe everything is made up, maybe none is made up. We don't know. But there are a lot of clues, at the start of the movie there is a garbage man strike and it's all ever the news, but halfway through the movie they stop mentioning it and it becomes about "eating the rich", but we still see trash everywhere. You guys also got the gun situation correct, I had to watch the movie twice to get most of the stuff you guys got on 1 viewing.
"I just hope my death makes more cents than my life." I have that as a tattoo. That's actually a condition that joker had. I've seen people with that condition.
I think alot of people miss the point where he loses access to the medication and things go downhill. Just as an aside, psychotropic drugs aren't your average "prescription drugs" you need a psychiatrist to monitor your dosage and side effects.
Expert on Cinema: You see Arthur entering the refrigerator symbolises his isolation from the rest of society and his attempt to be cut off from an increasingly immoral and unforgiving world. Mrs October: maybe he has a migraine
01:26:24 I get what you mean, but at the same time, supee hero movies have to have powers of some sort, cause otherwise they won't literally be superhero movies (lol). The most important part though is that is a hero, not superhero, so there never was much superpowers in his comics or movies cause that's the point of Batman and his villians, they're "normal"
The scene in the public bathroom after he murders his attackers in the subway is one of the most painfully beautiful scenes in all of cinema, at least in my opinion. Metamorphosis in live action with an amazing score
Maybe that’s why In the dark knight the joker kept changing his background story because in reality he doesn’t know his reality because of his mental condition
@@dustingill4202and your theory may not be true either. That, and this person never claimed to have the definitive answer. They just gave their opinion.
The laughing condition is something that exists in real life. There a lots of videos on RUclips about people showing the symptoms and also there is a documentary about the illness on the brain. So it wasn't a lie about his sickness and delusions or depression. But the way he ended up accepting it even tho in a unhealthy way, he turned out the Joker. And this movie is just about how Joker doesn't even know his one story. Like in the comics too. Joker 2 is coming soon. Hope you guys react to that ❤ In the end Joker was laughing for real after killing Murray. In his head that was the pure punchline haha
Haha when she said "is that real?" I was like "yeah they killed de niro" then it took me like 3 seconds to figure out she ment was it a hallucination 🤣🤣
I've seen it many times before but I just realized that the scene in the hospital where Arthur's imagined girlfriend kissed him on the head, Arthur's face was illuminated different from hers. That was my clue that he imagined the scene.
I'm waiting to hear them realise that isnt Peter dinklage before I removed this comment 😂 can't believe how different they look and they still think it's him
Your first clues shouldve came early (i figured it out LONG before the reveal) First why is this girl always with him at odd hours of the day without her daughter? SO shes just leaving her daughter alone unsupervised everyday to hang out with some guy she just met? Highly unlikely. Then the Thomas Wayne thing. For him to be Batmans brother and considering Thomas Waynes Age, thomas wayne would have to be WAY older than e is/looks to have a son the age of Arthus who looks damn near 50 himself... not to mention the age gap between Arthus and Bruce... The Joker is definitely not like 30+ years older than batman, they look around the same age in every iteration weve seen of batman and joker
It's more of a mental health movie than anything. It's makes me sick that people would call this a misogynistic or incel movie, just because it's a man dealing with mental health issues. Barbie is praised for its "female empowerment ", while Joker is viewed as "toxic masculinity ."
Wow, I didn't know that people said that about the movie. That's really sad because men's mental health should be advocated more. So many go through it and it's always looked down upon
@@tokki6085 People were saying that Joker is dangerous. But the Barbie movie gets a pass by hating traditional masculinity/patriarchy and being misandry.
@@aaronmartin7086 Yeah that's really sad about society today. I notice men are getting less and less respect. But hold in there just know there are still women like myself who respect men like yourself
Howdy neighbors! This movie was a wonderful deep dive into all the things that can go perfectly wrong for someone to snap. What hits home is that many major cities today in America don't seem too far from this kind of collapse... This was a great movie, outstanding job by Joaquin Phoenix. (pronounced like "Wah-keen", J is silent)
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The scariest and creepiest part of this movie is how realistic and based in reality it is for a comic book universe.
Yeah, i think they are pulling our hair, and this isnt batman stuff, except the names. No superhero stuff.
And if there are, it can always be in his imagination. Jokes on us.
Thatd be great. Lol. @prico3358
@prico3358yeah..
Make sense!!
It's scaringly realistic.. 2 years ago.. I was "mentally not okay"
It felt completely different.. Just like this movie..
Mental health is serious thing.. Here in India people don't take it seriously!!!
the creepiest part is all the stupidity on media regarding this movie back in 2019
Once he killed Penny, he became Joker and stopped trying to be normal. That is when his confidence came out for real. He became confident when he accepted that he was Joker.
gotcha! i get it now
TY!
Once he killed those guys.. He changed..
Remember.. He did the dance.. Its a symbol.. That he left(felt*) great!!
Yup
"Maybe the Joker is a symbol just like the Batman is". One of the best quotes
Thats the joke he was laughing at at the end. The punchline is that now Thomas Wayne's son is going to grow up traumatized, like Arthur, and without a father who was supposed to be Thomas, like Arthur. It's actually pretty funny that it worked out like that.
But I also believe that he could have just made up the whole story in his head, just to arrive at the same conclusion, and then escapes the asylum (for the FIRST TIME) having fully transformed himself into the Joker by the force of his fantasy, as if it all really happened.
Joaquin Phoenix. He's one of the best working actors of our time.
I wish his brother could have seen it.
I know. He actually dedicated his Oscar that he won in this role, to his brother. ☹️
I remember him as a kid in the Space Camp movie.
This movie uses a literary device called "Unreliable narrator".
The whole story is being shown from Arthur's point of view but since Arthur hallucinates and has a hard time knowing what's real we as the audience can't be sure either.
Like [Redacted] :D
I edited after realizing they havent reacted to that one yet so the less said the better hehe. Rule #1 is very important in it.
The movie is not Arthur's story, the movie is the story about Arthur the Clown People want you to know.
Perfect kinda narration for someone who doesn’t even know their own origin
The Joker has 3 different laughs and they are distinctly different from one another. See if you can hear the difference between the 3.
One laugh is when he cant control his laughter and its physically painful.
One laugh is when he pretends to laugh with other people to not feel left out / to blend in.
One laugh is when he actually laughs at things he finds funny.
Edit : this is something Joaquin Phoenix revealed in an interview about the Joker's character development.
I remember some people complaining because they were expecting more of an action movie style joker. I loved this flick from day. Its a brutal masterpiece
Ok last thing. You.guys missed when his boss said Randolph (guy who gave him gun) LIED to the boss and said Arther was trying to give him a gun. And the only reason they showed up to his house was to see what Arther told the police. He was not a real friend. IT WAS NOTADE UP
The boss said that Arthur asked Randolph about getting a gun. But we don't know which is true. They went to his apartment to make sure he wasn't telling the police he got the gun from Randolph because he didn't. Or maybe because he did. We don't know.
It's pretty obvious Randolph hated Arthur and lied about giving him the gun. He was trying to get Arthur fired. He was Never Arthur's friend, nor Gary's, just a bully.
What I like about this movie is how it shows how society creates its monsters
I think this works best if you don't eve think of this character as THE Joker. That's something he may become later but right now he's just a guy who's been treated badly by the world.
If the WHOLE thing was in his head, he started telling himself this story when he hit his head really hard in the asylum... Then came to the SAME conclusion and transformed himself into Joker by just the force of his internal fantasy and the narrative he built.
Then he kills the nurse and escapes the asylum for the FIRST time, and walks out fully Joker into ANY Gotham you want to put him in to tell your Batman story.
The moral of this story is that if someone is treated poorly by everyone in their life, they will start to identify the people who are indifferent to their suffering as their abusers. And theyre not wrong. We live in a society
Wow. This is the first time I see someone using that sentence without cringing.
Joaquin Phoenix took home the Oscar for Best Actor in the movie.
It was the highest grossing R Rated movie to make $1 billion dollars at the box office.
It drew a lot of controversy upon release as it involved someone with severe mental health issues being turned into a hero rather than villain
It's also worth checking out his acceptance speech for anyone who hasn't seen it
Yesss. I went to see it opening night! So ready for joker 2
The Joker army grows by the day
“All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. That’s how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day.“ - Joker
"The Killing Joke"
Nice!
She said with a straight face "maybe he has a migraine" as he enters a refrigerator lol
lol bc when i get them being in cold spots is where it’s at lol
The fridge is always the go to spot if you know you know 😂
I loved how at the end when he walked up to the camera the lights changed the color of his suit from a reddish color to the Jokers classic purple suit.
I feel invisible quite a bit. I've retreated from people because they are awful most of the time. But I still want to connect and care about others. That's why reaction channels like yours help me cope. Sober 10/01/2019. Thank you for being here.
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Same! Reaction channels are like watching movies or TV with friends.
This was entirely unrelated to any other Batman movie, except for the forthcoming sequel, of course.
This movie is an excellent reminder to be good to everyone around you..you never know who you're standing next to..as a mental patient myself in NYC,You GET WHAT YOU FUCKIN DESERVE!..hits home... everyone is struggling w something...it gets me emotional every time I hear it.. great movie 🔥
Glad to see your reaction to this movie. Joaquin performed phenomenally and less than 5 months until Joker 2 :) 10/4
Joker holds a special place in the list of modern DC movies because the movie is a gamble. The character of the Joker is one of the most iconic comic book villains around and is easily worth over $1,000,000,000 to a movie studio. Instead of making a movie about the origins of The Joker they instead made a sorrowful character study about a man suffering from mental illness living a miserable life.
It's a wonderful film and your reaction and commentary at the end of this video were great!
The movie definitely wants you to question if what you see is reliable. But that being said, every time Joker is fantasizing or hallucination, the movie tells you. When he imagined hugging the late night guy, they showed us it wasn't real. Dating the girl, they showed us it wasn't real. That is why I think everything else in the movie really happened.
When he says that line that if it was him ending in the street you'd walk right over him, I wonder if he was channeling his brother River. Who OD'd and ended in the street and people literally walked right over him.
18:13 He felt free, spontaneous, without any inhibitions after he K those guys. That is what the dance was representing. He was just feeling the vibes ending those guys.
Joaquín, Heath, and Jack played 3 different Jokers in 3 very different movies. All were 💯. Its all contextual. Neither Heath nor Joaquín would fit into Tim Burton's Batman but Jack could never be Arthur Fleck. Heath was a comedy genius whilst being a complete maniac. But knowing his range as an actor, he probably could have done anything he wanted.
What I took from the ending shot of Bruce standing next to his dead parents was when Arthur tells the psychiatrist that she wouldn’t get the joke. I take that as the joke is, that his enemy was created when the Waynes parents were killed.
It's an alternate version of the Joker, so nothing can really be taken from this film beyond the movie itself and it's upcoming sequel. Most superhero movies are like that when it comes to being comic accurate. They are focusing primarily on the insanity of the character in this movie and I expect the sequel whereas Nicholson's version focused on his madcap aspects and Ledger's on his brutality. Each did a fantastic job in their own way and when melded together would well represent the Joker overall.
This movie is one of my all-time favorites, comic books aside, Joaquin Phoenix did an oustanding job depicting someone who is sick/insane. The movie shows the brutal treatment of people suffering mental illness. They are mocked and ridiculed and people dismiss them as garbage. Gary always treated Arthur well because he related to what it was like being mistreated. MAN when I first saw the trailer to this movie I instantly dismissed that it was a "DC" movie, this is a master piece imo and Joaquin Phoenix deserved winning the Academy Award for best actor. When I first saw it in theaters and saw the scene where he walks into Sophie's apartment (his "gf") and she asks who he is, I got goosebumps man. Idc what anyone says, this move is one of my favorite movies.
A comment I read also shines a light on something some miss, "Arthur was not initially going on the TV show with the gun to kill Murray, he was going to kill himself live on TV as a statement, but once he got talking to Murray, he realized the true target, was actually Murray. The punch line of his "What do you get" was to kill himself but twisted it, in to ending with "You get what you deserve" and killing Murray, instead of himself."
Note that this movie has no ties to the other Bat Man movies, it's in its own universe. If you liked it, I'd recommend you watch The Batman if you haven't already, it's starring Robert Pattinson. Imo, a really good depiction of "detective" Bruce Wayne.
Guys... The comedy club was called Pogo's... The real life serial killer John Wayne Gacy, known as The killer clown due to him dressing as a clown for kids parties... His clowns name was... Yep... Pogo.
Also the club at the end in the background of the riot is the Ace In The Hole, implying both that Gotham is a hole, and alluding to ACE Chemical (so he transforms into Joker at the "same" place)
I'm a grown-ass man and the ending where he's finally recognized as a symbol and a representative, and when he doesn't have to hide who he really is, always gets me to tear up and cry a little with a big smile on his face. The line in his diary about the worst part of mental illness is having to pretend that you're not resonates with me, because as an immigrant I'm from part of the world that really doesn't recognize mental health as being important. It wasn't until I came to Canada that I realized how much it's neglected, and how much that neglect has negatively affected me and others like me. Psychology has always been an interest in my life because of that, and I'm starting graduate school for counselling psychology this year, and I want to be part of that change. Seeing that ending is like looking in a carnival mirror, where it distorts your reflection and shows you a warped version of yourself, and I saw myself and every other underdog out there reflected in Arthur surrounded by others like him. I absolutely love this movie.
My first time watching this movie I almost felt like someone was switching my channels while I was trying to watch. Every couple of minutes there was a plot twist so severe that it was like I was watching a different program.
I've watched it three or four times since then and pick up on something I previously missed every time. The writing, especially on a "mystery/thriller" level, is so next level it broke the meter. Brilliantly done.
This movie was pure art. They held a mirror up to the real world and put Arthur in it to exist.
They showed all the hallucinations, so you don't have to guess what was real, appreciate the reaction, nice job 💯
You're exactly right. The whole movie was in his head. Nobody knows the origin of the Joker.
He gets in the fridge because it symbolises the moment all doors are closed for him and he feels he is in a cold dark space, once the fridge door closes the lights go off
Enjoyed the longer reaction format! Really great points and insights from you two!
I think the ending was real, because by that point he had fully become the Joker and because we know Bruce's parents do die. I think he got captured afterwards but killed again and managed to escape, because thats what the Joker always does.
In the comics there's no agreed upon origin for the Joker, it's constantly changing. This is also a standalone story not connected to any of the other Batman movies.
I love your pronunciation of the actor’s name. “Jah-queen”. No mockery intended, that’s a great way to say it. Matter of fact I think I’ll say it that way from now on myself:)
Love this movie I live minutes away from that staircase he danced on
Guys, the joke on his notebook in his apartment was "the worst part about having a mental illness is PEOPLE EXPECT YOU TO BEHAVE AS IF YOU DON'T" So this is the full joke. Like it or not it's true hahah
Arthur getting himself inside the fridge was a suicide attempt. Most people don't realize that.
Also the small guy in Arthur's work is not the same actor who plays Tyrion from Game of Thrones. I don't know his name but I think you guys were thinking about Peter Dinklage or something.he is so different haha
And finally, probably is just an opinion not very in common but I think his jokes are very good but in different perspectives. Like in a way he is throwing in people's faces the terrible sense of humor society has in his way of thinking. Like being a comedian is someone who doesn't need a job and others subjective jokes lol
Arthur can't connect with people so he can have a unpopular perspective through misery and attention, whatever...
This guy played Tyrion in a stage play during one of the game of thrones episodes. I forgot the characters actual name though.
@@LMERobbie oooooooh is that so? I didn't even remember ou considered that. Thanks.
When it sounds like Arthur is "fake laughing" at comedians on stage and jokes of coworkers (not when he is emotional) it's because he is. He is trying to do what he thinks is apppropriate. He only genuinely laughs or smiles out of joy after he lets go of being Arthur, and embraces his dark side as Joker. It's also why he dances after killing people- he feels euphoric.
Yup
You guys keep putting up fantastic movie reactions! Keep them coming.
So i believe when he comes thru the curtains that was him reaching his final form. Once he loses his meds 'the joker' starts to bleed thru more. When he is smoking and writing in his journal, he hits the cigs pauses a sec and then continues to write but with his left hand instead of the right one. Check that scene out again its a small detail but i believe it implies that Arthur is right handed and 'the joker' is left handed split personalities. This is a great movie.
Speechless. Good review. U picked up on so many things that slipped by me. I look at things so literal/face value. Spooky things like this really go on in ppl's broken minds.
53:55 it’s funny you say that because while this movie was in theaters many of them had extra security and even police inside and out of the building in fear of what people may have done almost like they were expecting followers of the joker
I wonder if the 2012 theater shooting during The Dark Knight played a role in the extra security.
@@that.ll_do_pig I believe that was a big factor but one thought led to another I guess
This movie really drives home what mental illness and our society's lack of support for it looks like. If he could have gotten the help he actually needed, if people were more empathetic to his situation, none of the bad stuff he did would likely have happened. I'm not saying every mentally ill person can be cured and that none will ever do anything violent... just that it's a reflection of our society that we look down on people who are different, to the point where we basically just discard them and ignore them. This movie tears me up inside because of knowing this sort of thing happens to people every day. We have to raise our kids to be better than stooping as low as bullying someone else. I'm sick of people acting like we're supposed to not have emotions or that everyone needs to "toughen up".
If anything, everyone needs to soften their heart a bit and stop being so callous and cruel to each other.
My cousin has the same or very similar condition to the Joker's, in that whenever he's nervous, upset, scared, or startled, he laughs. And the worse his emotions, the harder and louder he laughs. It's like an uncontrollable scream, except that it doesn't sound like it to anyone else. He used to get picked on a lot in school because of it.
One of the darkest, uncomfortable, disturbing, intense & thought provoking movies of all time. So iconic!! Can't wait for Joker 2.
The 1989 version of the Joker played by Jack Nicholson is my favorite. Great reaction here.
I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SOOOOO LONG FOR YOU TWO TO REACT TO THIS ONE!! Hands down my favorite movie ever!
So much to say. Chris Nolans version of the Waynes were good but not all comic versions. In the comics Thomas Wayne had a doctor named Doctor Stoner who would do experiements on people and theynwould cover it up and call them crazy. Dr Stoners name is the doctor who signed off on Pennys papers in this movie. There is a comic version where its left up in the air if joker could be batmans brother. And remember Thomas wrote T.W. on tje back of her picture, so we cant make a determination on that. Everything about joker is unreliable but serious at the same time because of his impact. So much more to write but ill leave it there. Love you guys.😊
In the comics, the Joker once said that he prefers his past to be multiple choice. I think this movie, and even The Dark Knight stayed true to that.
Lol 44:20 almost got mrs october to cuss 😂
I think he got into the refrigerator for isolation. Making his out of control world smaller. Total withdrawal from his reality.
This story of the Joker killed it for me. I loved growing up not knowing about the Joker's past, it always felt like a mystery to me.
Heath ledger is my favorite joker. And this Joker was a great watch, saw it in theaters
I respect the vagueness of the story because in Batman comics the Joker’s Origen was a mystery but though Arthur Flec is considered the first Joker there ended up being two more Jokers 😳 The sequel should be interesting to see Lady GaGa as Harley Quinn - the entire movie might end up being in her head 😳
BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE JOKERS IS... CONFUSION, CHAOS , THE JOKERS REAL BACKSTORY IS UNKNOWN , THATS A GREAT THING U CAN INTERPRET HIS STORY THE WAY U CHOOSE TO
Dark Knight is a fully formed Joker. This is a work in progress (very much like a comedian, gotta work on your act, see what lands, what doesn't and figure it out). "Comedy is subjective Murray" fills like the core pathos of this Joker. Give this Joker time and he can and will refine his acts of violence.
The key that he really killed Murry on the show is he said "you get what you fucking deserve" and that is what the guy who killed Bruce's parents said as he was inspired by Joker doing it on the show.
Joaquin Phoenix then 19, lost his famous and talented brother River Phoenix 23 when he passed away outside a club in L.A called The Viper Room in 1993. The clubwas part owned by Jonny Depp. Rivers death was due to complications from a suspected overdose. Joaquin was at the club that night with his brother. I believe the pain & darkness Joaquin can produce in his roles comes from some real life wxperiences. Such a sad loss on that Halloween night in 1993. Rest in peace River and to Joaquin, your big b would be so proud of you.
Oh wow, i never knew that..
You know the movie must be good when a third of the video is the Octobers discussing the movie.
Zorro the Gay Blade is a comedy from 1981. Feel free to check it out.
Always looking forward to you guys reactions, love from the UK. You planning on doing a reaction to The Batman with Robert Pattinson?
I hope not
@@centerstagemediaoutlet2268 good for you 👍
Joaquin phoenix looks more like tyrion than the other guy 😂 had me in stitches
I liked all the actors because the different Jokers were all very different things. Batman is mostly the same in every incarnation with some aesthetic changes but the Joker is always presented with a fresh take. And I think all the actors did a spot on job fleshing these different Jokers out if that makes sense. This one imo is the most horrifying one. Maybe because this is the most possible.
I think his mentioning that he wasn't really sure if he existed was based on how people treated him. He did have that little bubble with his mother, but the outside world would largely just look & dismiss him. A bit like the therapist, who just asked the same questions every week, running through the routine, but not really seeing him. Then he killed the bankers, it made the news, and for once people were actually acknowledging something he had done, that he actually existed in their world as well.
Great reation ✌️ can't wait for Joker: Folie à Deux .
The movie is really up to interpretation. You figured out how he had his dis-associative disorder between being the nervous himself and the confident Joker. The movie is a social commentary (again up to interpretation) of society letting the lower class fall through the cracks. Yes it is believed he killed the TV host and after the riot he was caught and is now in Arkham. Lot of music in this movie as a great support as well. Super excited for Joker 2 with Gaga.
"especially in this day and age" This film is set in the early 80's.
If you're interested, they documented what Joaquin did to prepare for the role. He studied mental patients, researched their habits, went to a mental hospital, etc. One of the things that I missed the first time: he writes differently on the right pages than he does on the left. From what I got the end with him standing on the cop car was another psychotic event. That's how he saw himself - an inspiration to all those less fortunate. But he never escaped the hospital and ended up in the asylum. I simply 'assumed' they skipped some of the other parts. Or.. with Joker 2 perhaps it is all imagined. Many people mentioned that the Joker's true origin story isn't really defined in the comics, which is also why Heath Ledger's Joker always had a different story for his upbringing.
Joker is a carrier of Chaos) The film did it good - wherever Joker (not Arthur) appears, there Chaos begins)
Instant like before watching - the movie and reactors are just that good ❤❤
FYI, Zorro The Gay Blade was an actual movie with George Hamilton from the 80s.
We also don't know how smart Arthur really is or what hidden talents he may have. He's been on 7 different psychotropic medications. Most of them take weeks to really wear off so the Genius Arthur may emerge once he dries out. We've only met drugged-up Arthur.
In the comics, there are four different versions of the Joker.
Nicholson, Letto, Ledger and Phoenix portrayed all four in the films. Mark Hamill portrayed this version in the animated Batman series. All portrayals have their merits for being unique and believable.
I was never a super hero movie fan. I saw this because of the hype and man what a surprise. The scary part is this could really happen. There’s nothing supernatural here.
this isnt a super hero movie, its a movie about mental illness using a few character and location names from a superhero universe
You guys nailed it. Most people take the story of the movie as gospel, but it isn't. Arthur is delusional and he is telling the whole story. We don't know what is real or not. Maybe everything is made up, maybe none is made up. We don't know. But there are a lot of clues, at the start of the movie there is a garbage man strike and it's all ever the news, but halfway through the movie they stop mentioning it and it becomes about "eating the rich", but we still see trash everywhere. You guys also got the gun situation correct, I had to watch the movie twice to get most of the stuff you guys got on 1 viewing.
"I just hope my death makes more cents than my life." I have that as a tattoo.
That's actually a condition that joker had. I've seen people with that condition.
I think alot of people miss the point where he loses access to the medication and things go downhill. Just as an aside, psychotropic drugs aren't your average "prescription drugs" you need a psychiatrist to monitor your dosage and side effects.
Expert on Cinema: You see Arthur entering the refrigerator symbolises his isolation from the rest of society and his attempt to be cut off from an increasingly immoral and unforgiving world.
Mrs October: maybe he has a migraine
He killed his mom, Randal, and Murray
And three bankers
01:26:24 I get what you mean, but at the same time, supee hero movies have to have powers of some sort, cause otherwise they won't literally be superhero movies (lol). The most important part though is that is a hero, not superhero, so there never was much superpowers in his comics or movies cause that's the point of Batman and his villians, they're "normal"
The scene in the public bathroom after he murders his attackers in the subway is one of the most painfully beautiful scenes in all of cinema, at least in my opinion. Metamorphosis in live action with an amazing score
Lol you overthought the ending guys, they just caught him eventually then he kills the lady psychologist then seems to just go about his day
Maybe that’s why In the dark knight the joker kept changing his background story because in reality he doesn’t know his reality because of his mental condition
That's a theory you have doesn't make it true. He may have just been doing it for intimidation
@@dustingill4202and your theory may not be true either. That, and this person never claimed to have the definitive answer. They just gave their opinion.
Just to let you know, Arthur didn't kill Sophie(the woman he imagined having a relationship with)
10 bucks says shes gonna end up being catwoman
The laughing condition is something that exists in real life. There a lots of videos on RUclips about people showing the symptoms and also there is a documentary about the illness on the brain. So it wasn't a lie about his sickness and delusions or depression. But the way he ended up accepting it even tho in a unhealthy way, he turned out the Joker. And this movie is just about how Joker doesn't even know his one story. Like in the comics too. Joker 2 is coming soon. Hope you guys react to that ❤
In the end Joker was laughing for real after killing Murray. In his head that was the pure punchline haha
The joker created Batman, I like how they lined that up at the end.
Haha when she said "is that real?" I was like "yeah they killed de niro" then it took me like 3 seconds to figure out she ment was it a hallucination 🤣🤣
I've seen it many times before but I just realized that the scene in the hospital where Arthur's imagined girlfriend kissed him on the head, Arthur's face was illuminated different from hers. That was my clue that he imagined the scene.
I'm waiting to hear them realise that isnt Peter dinklage before I removed this comment 😂 can't believe how different they look and they still think it's him
it wasnt him lol but in a play in game of thrones that actor plays tyrion in the performance
DeNiro was in a movie called The King of Comedy which was an inspiration for this movie.
Your first clues shouldve came early (i figured it out LONG before the reveal) First why is this girl always with him at odd hours of the day without her daughter? SO shes just leaving her daughter alone unsupervised everyday to hang out with some guy she just met? Highly unlikely. Then the Thomas Wayne thing. For him to be Batmans brother and considering Thomas Waynes Age, thomas wayne would have to be WAY older than e is/looks to have a son the age of Arthus who looks damn near 50 himself... not to mention the age gap between Arthus and Bruce... The Joker is definitely not like 30+ years older than batman, they look around the same age in every iteration weve seen of batman and joker
That laughing condition is real, there are people who have it. In the movie that's what Arthur had
It’s your choice but I do NOT recommend the sequel. If you want to preserve the magic of this movie avoid watching the next one.
in this version the joker is an unreliable narrorator
He dances like that because his dream is be on STAGE. He is PERFORMING. It is his delusion.
It's more of a mental health movie than anything. It's makes me sick that people would call this a misogynistic or incel movie, just because it's a man dealing with mental health issues. Barbie is praised for its "female empowerment ", while Joker is viewed as "toxic masculinity ."
Wow, I didn't know that people said that about the movie. That's really sad because men's mental health should be advocated more. So many go through it and it's always looked down upon
@@tokki6085 People were saying that Joker is dangerous. But the Barbie movie gets a pass by hating traditional masculinity/patriarchy and being misandry.
@@aaronmartin7086 Yeah that's really sad about society today. I notice men are getting less and less respect. But hold in there just know there are still women like myself who respect men like yourself
Howdy neighbors! This movie was a wonderful deep dive into all the things that can go perfectly wrong for someone to snap. What hits home is that many major cities today in America don't seem too far from this kind of collapse...
This was a great movie, outstanding job by Joaquin Phoenix. (pronounced like "Wah-keen", J is silent)
the movie " the king of comedy " was a big influence on this film. it would be worth checking out, it stars robert Dinero