Slavoj Zizek - In Defence of Christianity
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Slavoj Zizek provides a concise summary of his thoughts about Christianity, the relationship between Jesus, God and Humanity, and the significance of Christianity as a whole.
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If you want to get Zizek's 'I WOULD PREFER NOT TO' t-shirt you can do so here:
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I'm gonna get 5!
nah that's pretty sus. I would definitely prefer not to.
Does Zizek get a cut? Or is this pure exploitation?
This is an old Melville House shirt. WTF. Pfft.
“what we really need is to believe someone who believes.” Ironically, this is the heart and soul of what it means to believe in Christ. In our faithless, godless moments, we love and trust Christ, and his love and sacrifice for us to God. It is through Christ’s faith, that we can have faith, even though we don’t sometimes. I believe this is what makes me a true, strong Christian. What a tremendous insight from Zizek.
not necessarily Christ but also people who just have tremendous faith in God you know
Like a Christian single mother of three who prays for the health and success of her kids despite extreme poverty, she inspires strength of willpower to go through hardships in life. That's what Zizek meant by Holy Spirit: just a community of believers helping and loving each other through faith.
@@danielvictor3262Man, you just described my mother, me, my two brothers, our circumstances growing up and my mom’s belief. And that’s what got us through the hardships. Awesome. Thank you for that.
It is really dumb man
I’m happy you gave a real answer. I’m Christian too, but many Christians seemingly just comment “praise God” and things like that. But it is much more powerful to share your story.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Zizek saying "my beloved Chesterton" was the surprising highlight of my day
read this as "my beloved cholesterol"
That ending suggestion about the film "Life is Good" is actually genius.
The linkage pointed out by Fidel The Hurricane Zizek between canned laughter and the prayer wheel is the strike of a genius 🛐
Or just a weirdo schizoid
There's more of that in his how to read lacan
Stand-up material... very creative link. 😆
Zizek generated real laughter.
"Anyone can make them cry, but it takes a genius to make them laugh."
-Charlie Chaplin
totally off base but I give non-trademarked permission for someone to make the band: "canned laughter and the prayer wheel". Goes hard.
That shirt was skin tight at the beginning of this event
😂
Hahahahahahah
I actually think he might be a little dyslexic and has a bit of ADD.
Actually, despite the stinkers in the Catholic Church, take the time to read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, with a highlighter, one page at a time. Incredible, transformative read.
The doctrine of the Catholic Church was compiled by some of the greatest minds in history, so that makes sense.
How I’ve viewed and studied all religions is through one of philosophy. It’s some of the best philosophical ideas and literature of all time & a large amount of it due to it being masked in stories and wordplay remains relevant because just like vague song lyrics, you can apply them to your own situation for it to help you instead of having it word by word explained the exact reason it was written. There’s a reason there’s so many denominations and split offs of the same books! Everyone translates it a little different and it transforms them in their own direction.
@@PlutoTheGodI’d argue that’s certainly the case for Protestantism. As for Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy and Oriental Orthodoxy however, it’s a bit more complicated than that
Do you have a link to this book or some reference? Im interested in reading it
@@Nb_edu if you Google "Catechism of the Catholic Church," you will find multiple links with the whole book for free
For those who may think that he is talking nonsense, please be patient. It's simply a presentation of concise knowledge. I've also heard that some people believe he has written nothing but nonsense. However, I would argue that for individuals like Zizek, you don't simply absorb lessons directly; it requires your own effort to learn. More specifically, one must engage with idealist philosophies and activate your own cognitive faculties to immerse oneself in this intellectual discourse. This approach not only enables you to grasp the essence of what he is referring to but also frees you from the need to blindly support or criticize Zizek's ideas. In this sense, he isn't merely stating something as right or wrong; rather, he is presenting something that necessitates accomplishment.
As a practicing Catholic, this was still pretty interesting and entertaining
same here
religion lol
@@radscorpion8 the thing that built western society and is responsible for the advancement of art, music, medicine, literature, science, philosophy, education, and architecture lol
@@DoctorDewgong as well as a moral laws that were never seen when Jesus spread the gospel. Saying everyone was made in gods image during a time where emperors were embodiments of deities was crazy thing.
@@DoctorDewgong nice christian propaganda. christianity did nothing but stall progress, in all it's forms.
Zizek is one of my favorite authors, philosophers, psychoanalysts, and speakers. I’m not aligned ideologically, but he is one of the greats of our time.
Christ is King
I would like it if Slavoj would just talk without an interviewer. The whole time he wants to keep going on tangents, and I want him to as well!
his tangents are top shelf for sure, but he's at his best in his books, highly recommend getting in to them if you haven't yet. Less Than Nothing is a must-read imo.
“what we really need is to believe someone who believes.” -- We Catholics have the saints
Exactly. So many people are missing his point. If you stay with him he says some pretty profound things. He's not at all self righteous and that's refreshing
Good to see GK Chesterton getting props in this interview. If there is one writer and thinker who is sorely needed today to cut through this aggressive form of atheism with reason and insight it is him.
What aggressive form of atheism? What does that mean? And how does GKC cut through it? Perhaps you can elaborate?
He's referring to the so-called "4 horseman" and their gen z accolytes. @@seangomez2331
Read GK directly . Start with Orthodoxy .
What sean said
@@seangomez2331he rebukes a lot of Nietzsche works who as you know went beyond scientific atheism , humanism and nihilism/relativism
Fun fact:
The picture in the thumbnail is not Jesus of Nazereth.
It is actually Russell Brand.
lmao
He never looked that good.
Yeah, you guys would love that too. Bunch of red-pill edgelords no doubt.
No, that's Mark Hamill
what would zizek think of brand? nothing good, i'd wager.
The impact of Christ is unbelievable !
It's great to hear Žižek praise Chesterton (despite Chesterton being really different in his views from Žižek). Because in many ways, ironocally, both are similar. I once heard someone say how back in the day, even people who sincerely disagreed with Chesterton, just couldn't bring themselves to hate him, because the way he expressed his views was just so witty, charming and simply genius.
For me personally, same goes for Žižek. I disagree with so many of the things he says, but I still love listening to him, he is a really funny guy and genuinely has some original and intelligent takes
The difference is Chesterton was right, because Christianity is true
Grfeat thinkers praise other thinkers when their reasoning is sound, even when they don't agree with them.
Thank you Slavoj Zizek.
Without zizek , earth is boring
@@boxofcans461Best comment!
En cuanto dijó 'my beloved Chesterton' le creí todo.
Chesterton es todo lo que está bien.
He has few interrupting nervous tics here, unusually easy to follow.
i thought it was AI lmao
Yea but he still packs in a bunch of “and so on’s” an impressive number of them
@@ofmonadsandnomads9500 I would have been worried if he didn't display this mannerism
The demons are kept at bay by the name of the father😂😂😅
It would indicate that something has gone terribly wrong@@AngermanskLaere
When Jesus said "My God My God why have you forsaken me", he was referencing the beginning of psalm 22, I highly recommend people read the psalm in full before making their own dumb interpretations of what Jesus meant. This is the equivalent of giving your interpretation of an article only from reading the headline.
I read the psalm and I don't quite understand how exactly this discredits Zizek's view on the topic
Could you please elaborate?
That's cool that you're curious. The psalm is showing that while one can feel like God has abandoned them he has always delivers those who trust in him, and thus will deliver the psalmist this time as well.
In a way the psalms show us that we can give our raw feelings to God in prayer (sometimes very violent thoughts too) even if they are wrong.
Also, there's a few references in there to what Jesus experienced, like in verse 8 "they say "let the Lord deliver him" " and verse 18 "They divide my cloths among them and cast lots for my garments".
What's also cool is that the psalm right after, psalm 23, is the one that starts with "The Lord is my shepherd", kind of shows the resolution of the crucifixion in the resurrection, which in of itself shows that Jesus was never abandoned. @@thomas.thomas
Because Jesus wasn't being an atheist in that moment but saying something that would show he was fulfilling prophecy, and as the rest of it says that even in this torture he knows he will be saved. I'm not sure what to make of Jesus, but I think things like this show genius by someone involved, Christ himself actually saying it or whoever wanted to say he did, and shows he was trying to achieve something more complex than those that think he was actually saying Jesus thought he was forsaken.
@thomas.thomas that psalm was written 600ish years prior. It was christ fulfilling the prophecy foretold in it.
Mark 14:34: “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthami.”
Mathew 27:46: “Eli, Eli, lema sabachtan.”
The Christian tradition (sans Protestantism) have always relied on BOTH Old and New Testaments. Christ said that he has come not to abolish the Law (laws of the Old Testament) but to “fulfill” the Law. This is why Catholics read from the Old Testament at every mass.
The saying came from the Old Testament but it only reached its climax when Christ said it. Spend the new few years and study the interwoven nature of the Old & New Testaments, the foretellings, prophecies of the Messiah will astound you.
Many New uploads, much appreciated.
Yes, but this is old
Interestingly enough, as a fully-fledged Chestertonian myself, I've always found that moment of "Christ's Atheism" ln the cross probably his strongest moment.
However you would see a lot of that symbolism in a "dark night of the soul experience"
I think this is one of the best talks about religion and belief that I've ever heard in my nearly 58 years.
It's extraordinary that God lives with us and in us but Zizek's idea of a dead God is not in Christianity. Jesus says "I am The Way, The Truth and The Life. Nobody comes to the Father except through me".
He likes doing what Nietzsche did in The Antichrist: make up his own version of who Jesus “really” was and what he “really” meant. Arrogant claptrap and dressed up navel gazing. This is what happens when really intelligent people refuse to submit their intellect to the wisdom of orthodoxy.
@@siamakga It's not Zizek's idea, for one. He's taking that older idea that "God is dead" and calls it abdicating. Remember "The Comforter", the "Light Within". I was drenched in scripture as a child, challenged in my youth, fed mother's milk, then weaned.
This is bigger than Zizek's own idea, or Hegel's, or your well-intentioned (I'll trust for now) preaching.
It's not that God is dead - but rather just the old way of attempting to perceive that which is bigger than perception.
@@guitarmusic524 so what is it that you find fascinating abut his talk
"The Christian religion is an intendedly political revolution which having failed turned moral."
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe ( 1749 - 1832 )
This is how a lifelong public intellectual says "Jesus is Lord" without resulting to the Holy Spirit. But it's easier to say that Jesus is Lord because He is, and more than that: King of All. He is all things to all men.
Excellent points all around! I’m currently reading Dominion by Tom Holland and it makes a lot of similar points. In particular how Jewishness and later Christianness (remember that they were one and the same until AD 200 or so) completely subverted the cultural backbone of ALL ancient societies but especially Rome. How can slavery or imperium be acceptable if the last shall be first and the first shall be last? The logical conclusion of the theology is a society that values all people and does not place a premium on existing power. This logic flies right in the face of Roman thinking, so much so that the Romans were incapable of actually understanding the ideas. Mr Holland thus presents a compelling logic for why Rome (and later demi-Romes) fail to hold onto power. More power means more restraint is needed, less power means less restraint.
They weren't one and the same until 200 ad. And Judaism didn't exist until 150 bc.
False. There was nothing whatsoever in Judaism or Christianity which were original or incomprehensible to the Romans. Everything you described was taken from Hellenistic thought and mystery cults that existed long before Judaism. You have it backwards.
@@john.premosehow did judaism not exist until 150 bc? what exactly was practiced in the first jewish temple then? the temple was destroyed 587 BCE
@@thomas.thomas I didn't say the Jews didn't exist, I said Judaism, the religion we now know. What was practiced in the temple prior to that was a forerunner to it, but not the religion that has existed since around 150 bc.
This is all demonstrably provable. You can see videos of Dr Yonatan Adler right here where he explains all of this.
@@thomas.thomas so you're just going to ignore that and continue knowing nothing? That's kind of what i thought.
There is a deep comedy to the things he is saying even though he completely serious about what he is saying.
The great Christian evangelist Paul Washer ( I kid) has said recently the he is beginning to see signs of an “Awakening” (as opposed to a Revival, which is within the community of believers). I’m beginning to have such a hope myself, and when people like Slajov Zizek unpack Christianity without attempting to undermine it but instead, clarify it and invest it with a deeper meaning than the average church sermon, perhaps he is correct.
He is the most unexpected person to actually do so. He comes out of communism and some of his economic philosophies are controversial. But for HIM to say this is a miracle
I think it looks like this....I am not seeking God, God is seeking me. 💯
I will never understand how zizek managed to gain popularity from people listening to him with that insane lisp.
First Dawkins. And now this guy. Too late! Enjoy our "coming soon" Caliphate of Europestan. At this point we're just like Augustine of Hippo witnessing Rome crumbling.
Exactly.. damage already done
What a sweet, deep insight.
Literally he says that humans can’t exist without belief and faith. And yet, we waiver because of our inherent skeptic nature. An inherent doubt in our own cognition, along with a lack of motivation to truly scrutinize our doubt. Therefore, we need an example of what “believing” and “being faithful” means. We need an human example which we can embody. The “behavior of belief”, rather than an objective example of what to believe. This is what Christ fundamentally represents; the behavior that manifests when beliefs are left intact.
It’s literally the blind leading the blind, going around in a circle because it feels good to do so. We are so tired, the mind has been depleted such that all it wants is to mimic.
"God why have you Foresaken me?" quite possible the most misunderstood line ever....The Christ is not questioning anything with this statement. For it is a quote from Psalms 22. The Christ is teaching us here. He is giving us yet another lesson while his body expires upon the cross. it is not him being human only, or him being "atheistic" for a moment. It is a declaration that is who he says he is. He is the anointed one. Read Psalm 22 and anyone will see that the Christ has fullfilled the prophesy of his crucifixtion(made 500yrs before his birth).
My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
Why are you so far from saving me,
so far from my cries of anguish?
2 My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer,
by night, but I find no rest.[b]
3 Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One;
you are the one Israel praises.[c]
4 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted and you delivered them.
5 To you they cried out and were saved;
in you they trusted and were not put to shame.
6 But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
7 All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
8 “He trusts in the Lord,” they say,
“let the Lord rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.”
9 Yet you brought me out of the womb;
you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
from my mother’s womb you have been my God.
11 Do not be far from me,
for trouble is near
and there is no one to help.
12 Many bulls surround me;
strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
it has melted within me.
15 My mouth[d] is dried up like a potsherd,
and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
you lay me in the dust of death.
16 Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.
19 But you, Lord, do not be far from me.
You are my strength; come quickly to help me.
20 Deliver me from the sword,
my precious life from the power of the dogs.
21 Rescue me from the mouth of the lions;
save me from the horns of the wild oxen.
22 I will declare your name to my people;
in the assembly I will praise you.
23 You who fear the Lord, praise him!
All you descendants of Jacob, honor him!
Revere him, all you descendants of Israel!
24 For he has not despised or scorned
the suffering of the afflicted one;
he has not hidden his face from him
but has listened to his cry for help.
25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly;
before those who fear you[f] I will fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
those who seek the Lord will praise him-
may your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to the Lord,
and all the families of the nations
will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the Lord
and he rules over the nations.
29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship;
all who go down to the dust will kneel before him-
those who cannot keep themselves alive.
30 Posterity will serve him;
future generations will be told about the Lord.
31 They will proclaim his righteousness,
declaring to a people yet unborn:
He has done it!
Incredible point
Knowing Christ as He is, is what makes you the partaker of divine nature and son of God.
Knowing Christ as Satan sees him, is what makes you heartless and atheistic to the core.
Which one, do you think, is connected with hellfire punishment that never ends?
amen brother. Once I was an athiest but Jesus found me. I must say life after Christ is good and full of love. As an pre-athiest, I know how athiests think and why they do not believe, and it helps me while i preach. God has plans for all of us, lets have faith in god!
Proverbs 4:23
Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it.
May we carry our cross and spread the gospel for Christ! ✝
@@羅根湯God bless you brother. May the glory of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ transform your soul as it is written: from glory to glory.
Happy Sabbath! 😊
The Gospel According to Jesus Christ by Jose Saramago. Take a look...
Claudel and Chersterton: Zizek’s references are the same of my catechism teacher when I was a teenager.... funny
Read the Bible, dude! You are soooo out of range!
Come on, Zizek, man❕️
Christianity doesn't need defending. It has existed for thousands of years and considering its money and power and the lives it has destroyed during those centuries ... it's not defending it needs ... it needs to be replaced with something truly spiritual❕️
His experience of christianity is orthodox christanity, not protestasm, two seperate faiths orthodoxy is life based prot is mind or knowledge based
zizek is hard to dislike
If that's how that film ended, I would have been balling my eyes out
This just converted me
Amen welcome into Christ
It's extraordinary that God lives with us and in us but Zizek's idea of a dead God is not in Christianity. Jesus says "I am The Way, The Truth and The Life. Nobody comes to the Father except through me".
Converted to what, exactly? Zizek doesn’t even know what he believes, and that’s his point. Or something.
1:55 Jesus didn’t become an atheist on the cross. That’s such a ridiculous thing to say. There is a far better and accurate interpretation of the event.
1st century Jews didn’t have chapter and verse numbers in their scriptures, so the only way to allude to or reference a particular verse or section would be to recite the first few words or first sentence of the section. Jesus is saying “hey, guys, I’m the tola worm…I’m doing what it does, get it?” It was foretold and was fulfilled in the moment He became the tola worm.
I was made aware of him like 10 to 13 years ago, by someone posting something about Zizek. I only ever saw a few video clips of him and frankly thought, he's just a weird guy, who has found his niche in the academic world of the humanities, where there are a lot of hot air ballons, who are able to make a comfortable living in pulling a wool over the head of the gullible. But this video makes me think that maybe I was wrong and he may be more profound than I thought.
certainly the most coherent and profound of the leftist intellectuals
It took you 10 years, but it looks like you finally paid enough attention to find something worthwhile. Or I suppose you could claim that it took Zizek 10 years to say something worthwhile, but it seems more or less in the same vein as Zizek 10 years ago. I hope you find many more worthwhile things on your journey.
Well, if I remember correctly, the first thing I saw from him, were some ramblings about toilets. He made connections between the forms of toilet bowls that are indeed prevalent in Germany and 'the German national character' and even Nazism. Since, I happen to be German, I just said to myself 'o.k.' and thought: there goes another 'philosopher'. You can cancel his works from your bucket list of books that you need to read, though you didn't even hear from this guy before. Also, as far as I know, he considers himself a Marxist. I consider myself politically on the left, I furthermore think Marx was profound and historically an enormously important thinker. However, having grown up in 'the real existing socialism', I find communism (Marxism-Leninism in the parlor that we were indoctrinated with) ethically despicable and Marxism as such intellectually obsolete in the 21th first century (democratic socialism is another matter). Anyway, his thoughts here surprised me and he astonished as well as impressed me with his admiration for C.K. Chesterton. Simply something that I didn't expect from him.
@@karsten9895 well you are just discovering now that an esteemed thinker cannot be summarized by a meme about toilets in the psychological field.
Also Marx is still not only relevent, but appropriate. He paved the metaphysical road for Guy Debord.
@PierreLucSex It was not a meme about him. It were his own stupid words! Also, I'm not going into a ridiculous back and forth of: "Marx is relevant. No he isn't" with you. There are some Videos I watched - not about, but by Zizek, that seem pretty daft to me. His extreme reverence to Freud and his theories seems also rather hilarious than profound to me. But to each his or her own. People are complex. Here he was very insightful.
I'm probably misunderstanding, but this seems to me a defense of Christianity only insofar as one believes Christianity is a form of atheism (or logically leads to atheism), and Zizek makes a compelling point related to a few other philosopher-theologians who have emphasized a God who becomes flesh (secular). However, a defense outlined this way begs the question. Is Christianity an inherently atheistic religion? Jesus -- and his earliest followers, especially Paul -- bases claims on a transcendent (objective and theistic) reality. Even Zizek has to concede (as he does here) that the atheism supposedly expressed by Jesus on the cross is "temporary," and, as anyone can look up for themselves, the verse quoted by Jesus on the cross is from a Psalm that ends with God's rescue. Then you have to contend with the fact that supernatural resurrection is Christianity's warrant. In what sense atheist? Perhaps secularism is the more appropriate term. After all, Jesus grants authority to humanity via Peter. Is secularism the same thing as atheism? I'm not sure. I don't think so.
The bible says, "Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen." Also, " Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God." also, "Without faith is impossible to please God." also, "Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith."
The perfect mix between excelent speech skills and idiotic reasoning
Zizek is a clown and he knows it. But this is actually deep and very funny at the same time.
He says that only in Christianity does God react to Man, and not vice versa. Slavoj's Atheism seems to be closer to Deism than anything else. And he doesn't believe in sexual hedonism.
Slavoj's Atheism is actually closer to Pantheism. In that the material universe is the true manifestation of God.
And this is why he is fixated to Christianity; here is a religion where God became matter and died, and transformed into the Holy Spirit, whose primary role is to move the Community of Believers. Under Zizek's Christianity, God is taken down from His distant, sacred place, and turned into the Mover of human togetherness and solidarity which ties in to Global Socialism
As a child, Jesus was my hero. He outsmarted the bible scholars with his wisdom, he took it up for the poor and the oppressed and he denounced capitalism by throwing the money exchangers out of a church. He was a rebel! A rebel for the good cause!
Far better than the fearsome father. Especially the God from the Old Testament... He punishes curiosity (Eve and the apple), plagues the Egyptians, supports Simsons terrorism, floods his own creation, psychologically tortures Abraham by asking him to sacrifice his son… He is a Tyrant and I still don’t like him. Yes, a little fear of not being the best version of yourself is not bad, but He is definitely not very likeable.
But as I grew older, I more and more realised that the Holy Spirit is actually the best of the three. It’s what binds and unites all human beings. This feeling that no matter how different we are, we are still all human beings, capable of feeling the same feelings, the same experiences and we have some common ground for a shared idea of what’s good and what’s evil.
I’m an atheist, so all these remarks just relate to the story and what we can learn from it. The power of the story and the message does not depend on God’s actual existence. I really think there’s something in it for all of us.
Your post made me realize the trinity is basically Yahweh, Jesus, & Paul
You misunderstand the nature and oneness of all three persons of the Holy Trinity, I wonder if you would be christian if you gained a better grasp of Christian theology.
@@bigol9223I don’t think so. My atheism is mostly grounded in modern physics and cosmology (and some biology and anthropology as well). It’s just not very plausible that God created the universe.
Furthermore, it’s perfectly plausible that humans created God to explain the unexplained, seek comfort, justice and meaning in a seemingly unfair and meaningless world. People have invented many religions over the centuries and millennia.
The reason that Chistianity stuck around was that it does very well in binding people together under a common culture, which is beneficial for the survival of that culture.
But I have nothing against all of that. It’s just as good as any other story. Good stories don’t have to be true.
You missed the mark bud. The point isnt to compare the three because they're one. The trinity is something we cannot understand. Going through and ranking them and saying why is cute but in reality its pointless. They are one and you either accept them or deny them. Jesus is the way the truth and the life my friend. I hope you come back around on your faith.
@@SanderBessels" not very plausible that god made the universe" haha ya ya right, like its more plausible that it all exploded from nothing. Lmao. It takes far more faith to be an atheist.
Slavoj like many atheists will.realize at some point as he is starting to realize that the idea of everything coming from nothing is ridiculous and there is an outside force guiding our progression. Just takes some longer to get there than others . It's ok Slavoj. We will be patient
Nope, nobody says that something comes from nothing, big bang is just the earliest event in universe we know about, and you know nothing about big bang theory
@ime4991 what made big bang? If X created Y, then what created X?
1:35 for a few seconds the video glitches make it look like he's wearing an eyepatch
Some people fail to see how much power there is in Christianity, and i am not writing about spirituality (which is even greater) i am writing if you follow the teachings of the Bible you will be indestructible.
Power to negate all other religions and, if inverted, via Protestantism for example, ultimately negate itself. That’s akin to what Zizek is going for here.
@@inquisitor1984 Maybe someday you will understand. God bless.
"Experiencing the radical absence of any transcendent guarantee."
Yeah but the problem is only about 2% of Christians understand this. I've met bishops that don't understand this.
Christ is King!
Full version anywhere? What is this talk from?
ruclips.net/video/sQ3g2zS6Tuk/видео.html
You do not need to be christian, to think god is love.
And calling god love, is bait to invite membership of the innocent. The gullible, the exploitable.
Maybe people worship the innocent in a way. But thats a part of the problem.
he should study more about economy instead. in effect，the mode of distribution is more crucial than ideology. it is what Hegelian leftists always overlook.
That's why i don't believe in god, there was this total absence of him and before that there was the trust in my parents, priests, theachers who told me god was real and i kind of relate with the final part, the "i know this is bullsh*t but i'll keep playing the role because i can tell you need it".
Jesus also had a "conversation" with God in the Gethsemane Garden before the Romans took him... When he asked the God to "remove this cup" referring to a huge stone. So Jesus was also questioning why he must die,he knew he would die but he was afraid that it would not affect us the way God intended.
It's perfectly explained in "Jesus Christ Superstar" and I encourage all of you to watch it. After all,Jesus was a man like us,facing the death that he knows is inevitable..
Only Jordan Peterson is like Jesus
It's a really good song.
If Jesus wanted to die on the cross it wouldn’t have been much of a sacrifice
Why would anybody read Jesus christ superstar when the holy fathers like St Athanasius already talked about this in great and precise detail over 1000 years ago?
@@off6848 It is precisely because he knew his mission would entail excruciating suffering and still accepted it that his sacrifice makes it all the more important.
What we really need is everybody to shut up. God is silence. In silence you begin to hear and see.
Wow, "Screwtape proposes a toast"! How easy it is to deceive both Christians and non-Christians these days.
DAMN… that ending would have been BRILLIANT!
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Žiżek is very interesting, but his theology is very basic. He is, hopefully, still in search of truth.
Jesus, if only he had a translator. Its impossible to listen to this lipsing
지금 여기에 내가 아닌 주변을 잘 인식하라는 뜻인가요?
Love him or hate him, hes a legend
God of Christianity is self sacrificing.
I pray to God one day this man will convert
I don't
@@boskoandjelkovic so I pray to you as well 👍🏻
@@canalettov That's very nice of you
convert to what
Okay but what about buddhist atheism?
You don't have to defend Jesus He can do if for Himself???😮🎉
Most of this concepts are in the pervert guide to ideology.
I disagree. He seems to be shoehorning atheism into Christianity. He doesn't address the "end times" or "judgement day" etc.
Jesus is not only the image of the invisible God but by him all things consist. Everything that was made was made by him and for him.
“For by [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by [Jesus], and for [Jesus]: And [Jesus] is before all things, and by [Jesus] all things consist.”
- Col 1:16-17
Freedom comes from his sinless blood paid on our behalf and given to all those who trust in that payment.
☦️🤍♾️
As an atheist, Hitchens is a personal hero of mine. Nonetheless, I think I agree with Zizek’s sentiment here. The claims of Dawkins and Hitchens are fundamentally true, but also make us somewhat prone to a radical pragmatism that can leave us feeling like we are missing something foundational to our humanity. Luckily, we as atheists don’t have to deny these transcendent values and feelings of a higher purpose. This is actually something that Hitchens used to point out, we don’t have to conflate these feelings of transcendence with the supernatural, we can appreciate these experiences while accepting that they are a result of the emergent complexity of our biological nature. Foundational to our humanity and not to be simply replaced or nullified by our scientific knowledge. Zizek’s words here have made me appreciate Hitchens even more than I had before.
Hitchens et. al. proposed a cop-out when he/they claimed that our apperception of a transcendent value structure (or transcendence itself) as an experienced epiphenomenom is a mere product of a confluence of individually understandable (to a coherent degree) simplistic mechanisms which result in an "emergent phenomena." This all begs orders of magnitude more fundamental assumptions on the part of the atheist than that of the believer who says, "God is uncreated Creator, the ineffable Maker, That which is beyond all sense and reason; He is that Is Itself, the Being of being, the to be to be." In stating things as such, the faithful has relinquished his presumed understanding, which was no understanding at all, in favor of an open-ended existence. We don't understand "emergent phenomenon" as a fundamentally creative principle, and we don't understand the "Infinite Ineffable." One of those things can be apprehended by the simple as well as the wise, though, for it utilizes one and only one assumption: self-evidence.
@@ChristAliveForevermore I'm sorry, but we do understand the concept of emergent phenomena. The argument from incredulity is as invalid as ever.
@@blara2401 yep 100%
@@ChristAliveForevermore You seem to think that the statement you quoted about god seems more plausible than the ‘emergent phenomena’ you mentioned. Not to me. That god statement seems laughably implausible. I sincerely hope you enjoy your religion, I wouldn’t try to take that from you. But as Hitch said, “you must leave me out of it”. “Don’t bring these toys to my house, don’t bring these toys to my school, don’t say my children must play with these toys”. I don’t mind what you believe, as long as I am free to reject it.
@@danem.9402 An Ineffable Uncreated Creator is, in fact, more plausible as a First Mover than the reductive notion of 'emergent phenomena' for the reasons I gave - most crucially, that the underlying axioms requiring of the Ineffable vs. the 'emergent phenomena' concept are orders of magnitude more numerous for the latter than for the unitary assumption of the former (namely, that the Ineffable is self-evident, i.e., a priori understood).
What you call religion I call relationship. I'm not calling you or anyone to join me in corporate worship. I'm merely calling to attention the self-evidence of the Ineffable Uncreated Creator - that something can't "phenomenalogically emerge" out of nothing, no matter how one might parse the language. We all must start with our fundamental axioms before we build a framework from which we can observe things, and it is those axioms that determine the soundness of our argumentative structure. That I would point out that 'emergent phenomena' requires a litany more *baseless* assumptions than the Self-evident Ineffable seems to be ignored entirely, be it consciously or not. Do with that what you will. Hitchens was no deity, and though I appreciated his rhetorical skills, I found his arguments in this particular avenue desperately wanting - oftentimes, he would brush it off and make a cleverly pointed barb at his opponent.
tl;dr: The argument for the self-evidence of an Uncreated Creator is not an argument from incredulity or a claim about a teapot orbiting Saturn, but rather it is an argument about the a priori nature of how "something" uncreated must be what can uniquely "manifest"/"create" all of the infinite somethings out of the infinite nothing. From there, we can foresee emergent phenomena from what already is, but not from that which has never been, namely everything. Asserting emergent phenomena as fundamental is, in short, foolish, even one might argue, religiously so.
You know mediation is generally taken to be the role of government (perhaps in self-defense as there is someone who isn't naturally good, but evil, and hence the need for a social contract... though I think in Rousseau it is begun by the evil one but the point is to make it good in a revolution) - but if there is to be spiritual equality, which is true equality, would that require a spiritual government? not of this world, so you know... not the visible this-world government? You know like "Zheng" in Chinese, "Shafat" means both "to judge" (or "to correct") and "to govern". "I do not judge, but save" - the government of Jesus' is Spiritual Anarchism.
"Hey man, that guy is just TOO handsome! Let's have him shot!" - the anarchists (yeah right, right???)
Where did you get the idea that in Christianity everyone would be spiritually equal? Jesus said that not everyone can just enter heaven
@@thomas.thomasHe said "Many", as in THE MANY, as in the demon called "Legion". I'm guessing you're one of "them".
Christ is not god!!!😂😂😂😂
Repent and believe the gospel for the kingdom of heaven has come near!
I like it. Holy "Ghost" Christians. Very Outside the church. Very Outside the Bible. Very Democratic. Rooted in the Trinity.
Catholicism is a cult devoted to the one who is love. We are a love cult, but our definition of love is God. We take love very seriously. We prove our our belief when we testify. Mass is where we testify to love. We pay homage to love. And it just makes sense to testify to the one who created the universe, the one who created time, space, matter,atoms, the electromagnetic force, gravity, the weak force, the strong force, to testify to the one who created mind. This is how I participate in mass, I'm testifying to love. But what is true love? St. Paul says "Love is patient, love is kind, it is not jealous, is not pompous, it is not rude, does not seek its own interests, not quick tempered..."
Would that Catholicism actually behaved as you have described it, but we both know that's not true, especially after opening a history book. Forget the theology, forget the philosophy, Catholicism was and still is the furthest thing from a cult of "love," given that it expressed this "love" with physical, psychic, and sexual violence against every non-Catholic it has ever encountered (just ask every Germanic and Baltic pagan and every Indigenous tribe of the Americas, Africa, and Asia). Catholicism, and Christianity more broadly, has no right to claim to be a cult of love if _that's_ how it has acted for nearly 2000 years. Likewise for Islam and its claim of being a "religion of peace" or its concern for justice. The problem with religions is not that they don't aspire to higher values such as love, peace, and justice. It's that they fall _so short_ of meeting even their own minimum standards that their aspirational talk simply rings hollow to anyone not already convinced of their particular religion's self-evident truth. If you're skeptical as a matter of course, like me, it's not surprising why you would end up ultimately rejecting every religious tradition as false and hypocritical. We can see and hear with our own eyes and ears how religious practitioners _actually_ behave and directly compare them with their ideal versions, finding, without fail, that they _always_ fall short to such an extent that we must assume they're not even _trying._
Entertaining, sure.
Mostly, bla bla bla.
Rhetoric on top of Rhetoric.
Everything means everything so nothing means anything.
Bla bla bla.
You'll get there Zizek. You got time to convert.
Zizek tradcath arc has begun 👀
What drunk is this guy taking ?
'Do not believe them'
So...Gnosticism.
No? I don't think he believes in esoteric knowledge that will bring salvation from an evil material existence
yea.. still unconvinced.. jumping from chrsitianity, dawkins, sex, smoking.. nothing crystal. JUSTIFY BELIEF! FOR ALL OF US! ALL PRIMATES! not you a ''christian'' but a ''muslim'' and all of them.. justify existence of belief or im out
Where does Jesus say: "Where there's love between 2 people, I am there"?
He is actually referring to Matthew 18:20: ’For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”‘
@@TheTornCurtain I see, but that's not spiritual. It's not like Jesus is a metaphor for human caring (human spirit).
@@ubuntuposix😂
Taking what is written 2000-4500 years ago in dead languages and cultures you don't know or understand; at face value is about as ignorant as you can get.
You do not understand what you're talking about. Most people who do what you just did do not even grasp how fundementally different Greek is from English, let alone all the nuanced and novel language used in the NT which requires years of soaking in the culture, customs, and language to be able to really grasp what is meant to be conveyed. Trying to take it at face value though since you just don't know any better. 😂 You got it all figured out dude!
@@donquixote8462And you know these languages and cultures? If not, why criticize my interpretation, which btw is the standard / accepted interpretation. (that Jesus is not just a metaphor for love).
Or is Slavoy an expert, does he know the original languages?
Zizek accidentally corroborated Voegelin in four different perspectives and ended agreeing with Olavo de Carvalho on the new World-Religion. 😂
Pfff emotional contagion. I believe that you believe that they believe that all believe that ... boom (oops... reality hits)
Cocaine personified
Quit it Zisek. You make too good of points on my enemy's lol
do you honestly consider christian's your enemies?
@@jonnyd9351 you don't? Among countless atrocities in the name of Gandalf in the sky; they eat their god in a quasi-cannibalistic ritual i.e. transubstantiation[blood in the form of wine and flesh in the form of bread], have invaded/slain those that differ from them in the name of 'missionary work' i.e. the Crusades, the spanish inquisition, slaughter of native americans and native amazonians, they harbor pederasts and seem to want the world to end and in that right actively participate in the downfall of the real world because you 'just believe it'll be better in heaven'.
If that's not an example of enemies to the greater humanity I don't know what is.
I don't think I understand, but I think that's a bad idea, isn't he encouraging mindless ritual and not truly believing?
If I could bring my favorite fantasy dialogue to life, it would be a trio between Ivan Illich, Iain McGilchrist, and Slavoj Zizek.
Odinism has no saviours and might be classed as a new form of paganism but to me it seems to be asserting the eternal Tao just in culturally relevent ways to me. I get to honour my ancestors pre conversion and "merge" with/ recognise that eternal truth. I do not like other neo-pagan groups that LARP but said larping also turns up in Christianity. I think people need to sit still for awhile, ideas are good but silence is God.
Zizek not so much gnostic as with a g-nose-tic... on a serious note the point he develops about the hypostases can be taken further for if the crucifixion is when the father as the transcendent aspect of the trinity "leaves" the human realm; the ascension is when the son as the immanent aspect of the Godhead leaves earth and merging with our father in heaven allowing for the manifesting of the union of the transcendent and the immanent in the form of the transimmanent age of the Holy Spirit.
Zizek defending Christianity and quoting Chesterton. The world has finally caught up with Z.