YAK-52 Shoots Down Drone in Ukraine
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- Mover and Gonky review reports of a Ukrainian YAK-52 shooting down a drone using old school tactics. Subscribe to @themoverandgonkyshow to watch LIVE every Monday at 8PM ET or to see full episodes of The Mover and Gonky Show. Clips will exclusively be posted there soon! Every Monday at 8PM ET, Mover (F-16, F/A-18, T-38, 737, helicopter pilot, author, cop, and wanna be race car driver) and Gonky (F/A-18, T-38, A320, dirt bike racer, author, and awesome dad) discuss everything from aviation to racing to life and anything in between.
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The US military buying 75 Sky warden planes makes total sense
But can those do air to air against drones?
@@petrairene If fitted with APKWS rockets, yes.
Just got to work out the tail dragger knowledge deficit.
lol until Australia MQ28A Ghost bat comes out to play.. these are toys and not real drones...
@@nedkelly9688 Very different tools for very different jobs.
Shooting was reported to have been done by a rifleman in the second seat
Oh, the RIO (Rifle Interception Officer).
@@hoghogwild Clever - I missed that....
The parachute is part of the drones emergency landing process, most drones of its size class do similar things with some relying solely on the parachute for landing normally.
12:08 I believe the french navy published a video where they shot down a huthi drone with a helicopter in the red sea
Great chat guys! Although I'm a little disappointed that close range directed energy weapons were not mentioned for anti-drone.
The day-glo parachute is for recovery, Orlans are recon drones that fly back for reuse, helps the operator see where it falls.
Great discussion. A yak 52 cost per hour (without weapons RADAR etc) is $200USD (approx). The cost per hour of a blackhawk is $1300-1400 USD (approx). The cost of a Shadeq drone is $20,000 USD (approx). It will get down to best value for cost option IMHO.
Cost estimates via wikipedia.
Shahed cost is reportedly 193,000 USD for orders of 6,000 and 290,000 for orders of 2,000. The price Iran was asking for was too much for Russia so they started domestic production at a "flyaway" cost of 48k per unit, but taking all the investments into account Russia is paying 165,500 USD per unit. The sources claiming 20k were parroting pro-Russian propaganda.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD I agree fully. A new light airplane engine alone costs around 50k $, so the 20k were completely unrealistic.
Are you telling me I can afford a Yak 52
Lasers only take pennies to shoot.
@@kyaintit Absolutely, easier to hit targets too
Players in war thunder killing KA-52s and Eurocopter Tigers in their Yak-9s and P-63s
Life imitates art
It's not a bad idea. There is a company ("Red Star" I think?) that rebuilt dozens of Yak-52s in Ukraine for export in the 2000s so there wouldn't be any shortage of them. Even the older ones are their basic military trainer. If you get the chance to ride in or fly one take it, lots of fun.
DCS has a Yak-52 for your information.
The war carrier pigeon is the grandfather of the fpv drone today
I think the solution is a "Barrage Balloon Hyprid", where a network of these balloons protect likely corridors of drone attack and are equipped with simple and inexpensive civilian marine radar systems that can detect incoming drones, or even passive sensors, that can be used to train some kind of ballistic weapon on target. Depending on the density of balloon deplotment it can be either automated small arms/shotgun fire or these ballons could be manned with a crew.
I think we are going to be using a lot more primitive weapon ideas in the future to save costs, and there is a weird irony in that.
War, war never changes
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I would imagine that when weapons developers where developing offensive weapons they also where working on defensive weapons for them. It would make sense to figure out how the enemy might defend against the offensive weapons and figure out how to defend against them if they are used against us. My thinking in a swarm attack would be a flak style weapon that might take out a large number of them and then the lesser numbers of them would be easier to handle. A very early warning and action would be required for enough time for a good effect.
big stadiums in the US have defenses for drones...radar/FLIR detectors and kinetic energy counter-drones are the next-gen
Would the rotor wash from any helo knock the drones down? I know the rotor wash from a Chinook is pretty intense.
Not really surprising as it's not like physics has changed in the last few thousand years. When the cost / benefit analysis says to use a Yak52 and unguided weapons (bullets), well that's what you do. One big problem with something like a Yak52 is it's lower top speed compared to a fastjet means it takes longer to move to a different AO in response to active threats. I suspect for the Uke's it's more a case of "Well we've got THIS thing to try.." rather than the result of analysis.
Drones however are only going to get faster, tougher, smarter, and cheaper. Swarms might see the return of airborne laser and Metal Storm, but on-station cost and reaction time are always going to be a problem with these kinds of time-sensitive targets. It may be cheaper (though less politically correct) to just pay for improved disaster response than "Iron Dome mk 2".
The really scary version is drone swarms with bioweapons in them, though there are even easier ways to deploy if that's the scenario.
I heard T-Bear has 7 drone kills in his Air Tractor. It was online, so it must be true.
The ghost of keev strikes again.
It's what Snoopy would do. It works
Would the A-10s be good for this?
Does the USMC still fly the Cobra?
Andrul has developed a drone that will crash into another drone to take it out. I can definitely see future drones have a modified AR15 or p90 framework down the center of the airframe. Then either poke the gun through the nose cone of the prop or run a rear prop. Andrul already has drones that vertically take off with the tri stand config spaceX uses, so the same thing could be used for the drone gunships.
lol Australia has fully AI drones with soft kill and hard kill anti drone capability and they were given to Ukraine. Australia also given Ukraine 3 anti drone systems. you just don't see or hear them being advertised.
Seen a DefendTex D40 Australian drone fly in to a Russian tank hatch and blow it up.. fully AI with drone swarm launched from a 40mm grenade launcher soft kill and hard kill anti drone systems
Defendtex make carrier mother ship drone and one with think80 missile launch system. these all have their own radar for detecting enemy drones.
Australia way ahead in drones with MQ28A Ghost bat the world most advanced AI combat drone capable of air to air combat..
Drone swarms countered by drone swarms? BFM\ACM from less than 10 meters? Tiny AIM 120's?
Drones just AIM-RAM.
We are still in the creative experimental phase of counter drone measures. It is going to take some time for trial and error and measure countermeasure before we settle on the most practical solutions.
12ga shotgun with #6 steel shot... People have been shooting geese, ducks and doves out of the sky with those for more than a century.
Most FPV/COTS drones are about the same size.
We are, typically, over thinking/over engineering the solution.
Except that geese don't have a human operating their eyes who can clearly see a soldier raising his shotgun and just blast off into 100m above ground level.
A lot of drone footage makes the ground appear closer than it is. They're really eyes in the sky, and they have greater freedom of movement than a bird.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD Dude, I am not talking about Reapers or any other large format drone. I am talking about the smaller ones. And it's not like the guy on the ground with the shotgun is going to be wearing hunter orange.
iirc, the visual acuity of a duck or a goose is better than your average human and most drones, specifically the FPV variety, have a much more limited FOV.
EDIT: Apparently someone in Ukraine's military command thinks it is a good idea: there is a recent report that Ukraine has acquired several semi-auto shotguns to counter the FPV UAV threat...
@@johnhermann7498 Reapers fly straight like an aircraft. It's quadcopters which have the ability to shoot straight up.
Brother, I've seen hours and hours of drone footage at this point. Hitting drones is easier with an AK rifle than with a shotgun. You can clearly see that in instances where shotguns are used, the drone pilot simply punches the throttle and flies straight up to step out of range.
Hunter orange? My guy, uniforms rarely blend in and even when they do, you can see the humans by movement. I can tell you don't watch drone footage, because you can clearly see people and identify which side they're on.
Humans don't put their eyeballs on drones. They put a camera. Human visual acuity is meaningless when you have a 720p screen inches away from your face.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD
Funny how Ukraine is (apparently) buying semi-auto Turkish shotguns by the CONEX to help mitigate the done threat and there was a Forbes(?) article about Russian Soldiers going on TikTok, etc asking for people to send them shotguns...
"...easier with an AK..."
Sure dude.... You go with that...
Tit-for-tat: I can tell, despite your nom de plume, that you don't have much experience with firearms let alone AKs...and while the camera may have pefect vision the person looking at that screen doesn't.
@@johnhermann7498 If the person doesn't have good enough vision to watch a screen in front of their face, the conscription office will probably not put them in drone pilot duty.
There's plenty of videos of AK fire hitting. Almost no videos of shotguns doing the job right because the pilots can fly out of pellet range.
The Mojave drone has been tested with 2 mime guns and with a 25 hour flight time it can stay on station .
I wonder if flechettes might help counter slower drones?
I wonder if you could disable a drone with something that launches nets of kevlar or steel. That could entangle the propeller or rotor blades, and bring it down. Dirt cheap too, if you can figure out a way to deploy it accurately.
@@dougrobinson8602 something like this is in testing, isn't dirt cheap.
For some places like airports they use real falcons
Modern jets and AA systems seems too fast to deal with drones but propeller planes appear to have the speed profile to fill this niche.
A better financial analysis is to look at the value of the target that is protected.
Gotta love FaceTime hand gesture emotes.
Long time fan, first time caller lol, Gonky, what's the gatling gun system with the white dome on the carriers that could track and shoot down incoming missiles? That solution would work from a ground-based vehicle or mounted on a large enough aircraft.
CWIS
C-RAM cwis for airfields
Those cannons are still too expensive for shooting down drones, old WW2 AA guns are much better tools for the job right now, or something like the Gepard which is much more reliable and already designed for optical target acquisition & tracking- unfortunately Germany stopped producing them somewhat recently. Hindsight is 20/20. Doesn't matter though, as the swarms get bigger the Gepard too will be quickly irrelevant, baby flak curtains and laser nonsense seems like the way?
Australia has a anti drone system called Slinger and was given to Ukraine and seen it and they though was a ingenious Ukraine idea lol.. uses EOS Australian company sensors and tracking systems and their systems track objects in space up to 35,000km away and each engagement of a drone costs $150- $1500 to shoot down. is part of a US aid package to Ukraine of 10 units at 1.5 milion each.
Think it uses the Australian bushmaster machine gun turrets also...
@@micaheiber1419 A Cheap upgraded AN/TWQ-1 Avenger with dual or quad .50 (similar to m45 quad mount) could probably work. It already has a radar designed for tracking targets like helis and other low flying targets, Just need to improve/upgrade it so that it can track & lock on even smaller/faster drones, maybe even improve on its traverse speed and gunners sights so that it can engage multiple targets faster.
Could also add in a small trailer on it for some extra .50 ammo.
I think a wing mounted pod based on the mean R2 tech that is designed to take out drones would be a pretty cool thing to see on one of those Sky Wardens (crop dusters with guns plane) ...
But the part of this conversation that you guys didn't touch on is ... that was over a civilian area. Do you really want a minigun blasting a thousand rounds at a drone, directly down into a civilian area? ... do you think when some sort of anti-drone pod is made it will have a solution for this (rubber bullets?) to provide limitation on the damage being thrown around by these defensive missions on their own civilian area?
Spent time in a 52, where would you mount that? It's not designed in anyway shape or form for hardpoints.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan Ah, I was talking about the Sky Warden (the USAF OA-1K, also known by the company designation AT-802U), not the Yak. The Sky Warden has hardpoints for a variety of weapons systems currently in use, as well as a radar and datalink, sensor pods, etc. etc. ... What I'm suggesting is that a turreted gun pod be developed which would enhance the ability of a long loiter plane like the Sky Warden to engage in multiple targets as quickly as possible. And, considering that the radar dome is not needed and the munition being used would, in theory, be lighter and smaller than what's used on a CIWS, the turreted solution would also be smaller. Will it "absolutely" fit on a wing mounted pod? Maybe not. But, the Sky Warden has a handy dorsal pylon structure directly behind/above the cockpit ... which is in a Strickingly similar spot to where turreted mounts were on an entire generation of combat aircraft a couple generations ago ... I would love to see an analysis of this, and then a cost breakdown comparing a squadron of Sky Wardens to a squadron of USN destroyers patrolling the Red Sea ... Just saying.
As long as the airspace is secure why not? Besides it isn't exactly the most efficient way, but def easier than in a jet. Just flying at close to stall speeds that low while trying to hit one of those would be super sketchy. Lol
This is so war thunder
What about the laser guided 70mm rockets from Apaches?
whatever works
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Drones to counter drones
Figure out a net 🥅 I think we need to possibly look at camera companies who're developing recognition software/ai. Nikon, Olympus, Canon, and Sony all have advanced subject recognition software.
If radar isn't advanced enough to discern between a drone and a bird we're going to need something of a hybrid system that can do multiple things at once.
A miniature A-WAX 😅 We might need the model plane guys flying sorties.
I wonder if it would be possible to design a radar like system that detects sound from the drones.
@@kd5you1 I was thinking that too. That buzz is very identifiable. But I was thinking maybe it's not loud enough.
@@dct124 With a dish like in a satellite tv antenna the sound would be concentrated onto a receiver. I went to a museum that had two "dishes" at either side of a large room while facing each other. Even with other people talking, I could hear my friend plain as day, so I was thinking that using a dish like on a conventional radar would work the same way.
@@kd5you1 I know nothing about that. Would you encounter interference or even have range at those altitudes?
@@dct124 I don't know lol. I do know that there are sometimes very fast winds at higher altitudes, and those winds cause a lot of noise.
There are various stol planes around, but I don't know if they're mass produced anywhete.
There's a Serbian company that's solely dedicated to producing a stol based on the Fieseler Storch. It stalls at something like 22 knots. It's cheap and easy to fly for a noob.
Someone could buy a couple of stol planes and test the idea out.
How safe is it to slowly putput near a combat zone, that's another thing. But behind lines it could work.
And how, except in a stage managed demonstration like this, would the aircraft find the drone??? They’re too small to see on radar and you can only eyeball them when you’re with a few hundred meters.
The F-22 Raptor. Looks great at airshows, lethal against balloons.
One plane can take out several of these drones given that the drones are deployed from the same area. Either start from the back to front or from front to back. These drones aren’t really meant to maneuver.
Okay... Guess RUclips is just deleting comments willy nilly now.
Quadcopters are good for surveillance, but ordinance should be delivered by higher speed winged craft aka cruise missles. Germany was launching dozens of V-1s per day 80 years ago. 400mph and 1800lb of explosive. Ukraine's converted ultralight planes are sad in comparison.
Faster speeds make them easier for air defense system operators to distinguish from civilian aircraft.
This is a winged UAV, not a quad.
NB - Quads can hit surprisingly high speeds. Look at the stuff the Dutch Drone Gods are doing with the Red Bull Motorsports team. The weap point of quads is endurance vs speed, not speed itself.
I believe that lasers and radar guns are the answer to low to medium altitude drones and until there is a less expensive option, then missiles are probably the answer to the high altitude drones and the Patriot is likely the only answer to ballistic missile threats and hypersonic threats with a predictable trajectory.
I don't think there is a counter to maneuvering hypersonic missiles. The US is probably working on it, but that is a really, really, hard targeting problem.
I think something like the Israeli Iron Beam technology could possibly address the drone / missile swarm. However, Israeli Iron Dome and anti-missile technologies combined with allied jets and Naval anti-aircraft / ballistic missile technologies did achieve a 99% success rate in intercepting different kinds of incoming threats. A tip of the hat to all involved.
But the cost to defend against those threats in all likelihood costs far more that the threat. We (the allies) were sending multi-million dollar missiles to intercept a hundred thousand dollar missile.
Although it seems very hard for Russia to lean lessons in combat, they did learn that with the help of Iran they can now out produce Russian drones. against Ukraine. And while in my opinion Ukraine still has a superior advantage in trained drone operators and drone innovation, Iran's drone technologies are being transferred to Russia and Russia's drone capability is beginning to equal or potentially leap frog that of Ukraine.
I guess the nest technological step are stealth drones.
I'm wondering if the Defense Department has actually grasped the importance of overwhelming Russian, Chinese, and North Korean artillery. NK has over 25,000 artillery pieces. SK has something like 6,000.
My point is that the US, NATO, Japan, Philippines, etc. have to find ways to overcome the overwhelming numerical advantage our potential enemies had in just about everything.
I can have a machine gun, but the my enemy is conducting an attack with thousands of soldiers all willing to die, my superior machinegun technology isn't going to stop them. I would need technology that would prevent them for overwhelming our defenses.
I think Iran took notice that their strategy of overwhelming offensive technologies against Israel's technology defenses combined with allied technology defenses failed completely.
So did Russia, China, and NK. For every effective defense there is another more effective offense and vise versa. And so it will always be.
Until fairly recently, the US has always lagged behind in reacting to unexpected enemy capabilities and then scrambling for a solution. This is most often, in my opinion, to Congress and the Pentagon's short sightedness in looking to the future. The F-22 program was cancelled because the pentagon and congress thought we would be fighting asymmetric wars forever with no need for stealth fighters that could gain air superiority in a near peer conflict.
Have not or military leaders and our politicians learned anything from history? Every war we've fought in the 20th and 21st Century has caught us at a disadvantage militarily or more importantly politically because we are always looking to fight our last war instead of looking to fight our future wars and Congress is always looking to ways to constrain the military with the "Peace Dividend" that diverts funds from the military to be prepared for future wars so that Congress can fund political social programs to get reelected.
The cycle hasn't yet been broken. The military is still preparing to fight the last wars and Congress is still trying to get reelected by defunding the military. Trump broke that cycle for 4 years, but then Biden has reversed it once again. Military preparedness is still at the mercy of Congressional reelection campaigns to use the "Peace Dividend" to fund social programs that have no measure of success and so there is just pouring more good money into bad social programs or at least where there is no measure of success with which to evaluate those programs.
Believe it or not, ww2 turboprop planes are actually the best counter to modern jets. Modern jets seemingly can't lock onto shit like that, simply because it wasn't designed to. In terms of dogfighting, a yak wins over non air maneuverability focused jets. Irony, at its finest. We've gotten so advanced that we've somehow wrapped back around.
You are thinking top gun too much lol, these days are no more dog fighting and is fire before detected with stealth beyond visual range..
There are claims of it being a Ukranian OJ 22 or something drone
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@@IFarmBugs Claims not saying that's exactly what happened but nothing wrong with verifying
@@IFarmBugs Claims not saying that's exactly what happened but nothing wrong with verifying
@@Anuj-1 theres literally nothing to verify, you think that drone fell into a city with over a million people and not one person took a picture of it?
I'll be damned....I commented a few days ago on an other of their video asking about using ww2 style fighters to take down drones. The channel replied "what sensors would they use?".
Turns out they used their eyes...
But seriously. I was on to something, it turns out. Plus, aren't helicopters more expensive ? They use them in Ukraine to shove dumb rockets. Why not slow planes for close air support too ?
I don’t think that you were on to something. This is one intercept. (And it might well have been staged using a Ukrainian drone.) To meaningfully reduce enemy drone capability you would need to make hundreds, perhaps thousands, a day. For that you need sensors - just flying around looking for tiny drones means that you’ll only get one intercept every few weeks per aircraft. As for using prop aircraft instead of helicopters, helicopters can safely hide below the tree line and then pop up, which is why they survive. Light aircraft can’t do this.
@@TheGreatAmphibian I was talking about how to used them in a smart way, not the opposite. But thank you for the reply.
@@fredbyoutubing The only smart way to use manned slow prop aircraft in a high intensity conflict is not to use them at all. Which is why no one does. You’re not a genius who has come up with a brilliantly innovation everyone else missed: you’re a guy on the internet who doesn’t understand even the basics of a subject he is ranting about. Prop aircraft like the Skyraider were replaced by jets and helicopters for a reason - they took huge, huge losses in Vietnam, and air defenses now are vastly better.
@@TheGreatAmphibian Are you ok, bud ?
@@fredbyoutubing No, I have an allergy to people who use wars as an excuse to invent stupid fantasies to make themselves feel smarter than they are.
I wonder if they are designing drones to hunt and kill drones.
spitfires used to tip the wings of german missiles, bumping them out of the sky...... the drone is on a direct flightpath
DCS has the Yak 52 it can carry rocket pods also.
Yak-52B's can, but the trainer versions that are more common lack the 2 hardpoints.
Goes to show how BS DCS is. Been around 52s a lot, there is no chance you could mount a hardpoint.
not necessarily saying it would be good against swarms unless you had your own swarm.. but companies are working on anti-drone countermeasures atleast. ruclips.net/video/SrGENEXocJU/видео.html (only first couple minutes of this is worth watching for reference) (its a Mark Rober vid for anti-drone stuff)
I've been saying for awhile, the whole battle space is going to revert to a WW1/WW2 style of fight. As an Army guy for nearly 20 years, It makes no sense to use Guchi ADA (like Patriot) to take down $50 drones that are swarming your position. We'll end up hunkering down in trenches and bunkers, using our own $20 anti-drone drones to clear the airspace, and then push towards our objective.
Same for airpower. I mean, who wants to lose a billion dollar aircraft to a few $100 drones? That's completely unsat, and will require us to use fighter drones with guns to take down the "bomber" drones lugging grenades. Which then leads to the enemies "fighter" drones running aircover for the "bomber" drones... aaannndddd we're back to early 20th century fighting.
What's truly interesting, is that will all be going on along side billion dollar jets flying deep strike missions against hardened targets (about the only thing a drone can't do, due to payload limitations).
Have you seen atlas from Boston dynamics? It’s more likely to be just like the Simpsons episode where Bart and Lisa go to military school- "The wars of the future will not be fought on the battlefield or at sea. They will be fought in space, or possibly on top of a very tall mountain. In either case, most of the actual fighting will be done by small robots. And as you go forth today remember always your duty is clear: To build and maintain those robots."
Why send a billion dollar jet against a hardened target when for that price you could hit buy 1000 long range missiles that are just as accurate?
I've been saying for a long time, and got laughed at by superior officers while I was in training (only for my assessment to come true in Afghanistan and the Air Force buying Super Tocanos), that we need to bring back WWII aircraft, armed with 6-8 .50 BMGs/or 4 20MM, bombs, rockets, and missiles, and at a fraction of the cost of modern fighters, but with the added benefits of being easier to maintain, able to absorb tremendous damage by comparison, much cheaper and faster to produce, and it'd be a lot easier to get pilots for (remember, during WWII, pilots were in training for a few weeks before shipping out as O1s, and many became aces, it's rare to see a deployed fighter pilot below the rank of O3).
@@tonyf.9806 Dear god… No, you muppet, ww2 fighter pilots were not trained in a few weeks. Except maybe in Japan in 1945… Typical training times was more like a year or longer. From the RAF museum…
The time taken to qualify as a pilot could vary. At the start of the war it could be as little as six months (150 flying hours). On average it took between 18 months to two years (200-320 flying hours).
And everything else you said was even stupider.
@@tonyf.9806 That makes no sense. Modern propeler aircraft can't take that much damage at all, and for one to do so, it has to become heavier, slower, less agile and not so cheap, just to do what the A-10 already does, but worse. Most missions that you can accomplish with a propeler aircraft, can be done with an UAV or an UCAV and even helicopters in some cases.
And no, it wouldn't be easier to get pilots for them, because, 1- pilots wouldn't want to go to planes that have no chance of surviving in war, and 2- a modern propeler aircraft is nearly as complex as a fighter jet, specially if you are looking into it as a combat aircraft and not just as a trainer.
Much cheaper and much easier to get pilots for, are drones.
Did the pilot use a pistol to shoot it down?
At this point I wonder if Ukraine should perhaps learn from what the Russians did, and dig in with multiple defensive layers and lay mines. It's sad but I think this might be what it's come to.
the navy needs multiple FPV operators aboard to defend against sea baby drones at a stand off distance.
AEGIS? C-RAM?
Drones are still in their infancy. Either were going to get terminators as a result of all this, or emps.
Apparently, YT doesn't want me sharing my idea for an anti-drone drone in comments here, since it just removes it. Oh well...
a few old hueys with M60 door gunners wokka wokka wokka
Should we send P-51s instead of F-16s?
Might not be a bad idea. Or maybe some of the Close Air Support Prop planes the Airforce was eyeballing a few years ago. AT-6 Wolverines I think they were. Or the OA-1K Sky Wardens which are really just militarized crop dusters... Those might be even more useful you can set one down about anywhere and don't need much in the way of ground support aside from arming it.
What in the flying horse and buggy am I watching
Alternatively, the drone had already deployed it's chute and they just shot at it. That's why they didn't show the initial engagement.
Um... anybody got any spare Sopwith Camels?
No proof that yak shot down the drone
With the consumer drones you don't even need a gun, a bucket of water will bring them down, and probably the downdraft from a chopper since most are limited to sub 30mph winds for flight. With the bigger ones a weighed net or even long rope with weights and/or grappling hooks could be dropped on them and wouldn't even need to hit the propulsion device if its heavy enough to throw off the COB or exceed the max weight.
the marines and army are using microwave jammers to fry drones
I think a smaller scale rc plane with a gun could do this job too, or make it big enough to fire a 40 mm proximity round speaking of ww2 tech!
Unsupportable business model due to insufficient kickback cushion for US politicians.
wait so Iron Eagle 3 confirmed?
Haha I literally just watched Cap and the Grim Reapers (DCS) take out drones with WW2 warbirds
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Algorithmic engagement comment.
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I don't think this is real. What kind of rifle? I have never seen Russian drone with a parachute. There was no news of a mass attack, drones come in droves.
They said it was an Orlan 10 which is a small, slow recon drone...they fly alone
Parachutes are a way to recover drones so you can skip the complex landing in an unmanned system. It was a recon drone, so it wasn't a mass attack.~
Just think a little harder.
@@ChucksSEADnDEAD The video implied that it was real.
Its a fake! I wonder how he aims his machineguns ? With what sights? Especially when he has to lead the target...
The guy in the back shot it, WWI style. When air combat started, they didn't have forward facing machine guns.
It was shot from the backseat.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan Even worse! Stop believing all that propaganda.
I don't think any modern heat seeking or active radar guided missile should count as an air to air kill, especially if the target is non-manuevering. It's not like the days of old where you had to get the target in your sights, hold him there while doing controlled bursts, and stay aware of enemies trying to shoot you. The pilot doesn't do shit, the computer finds the target, the pilot hits a button, and the missile does all the work to make it to the target, and the pilot never had to maneuver once. Otherwise, all SAM operators who get 5 shoot downs should be aces too. I think only gun kills and Semi-active missile kills against maneuvering targets should count. No slow drones or balloons.
>No balloons
F-22 pilots most affected. 😭
It seems that air-to-air missile does not equal air to air kill. hmm...
go look at some Digital Combat Simulator videos of player versus player or missile evasion for some perspective on how the combat environment has shifted from your current viewpoint.
@@jhruio The combat environment has not changed in any way, in the first days of the war over Kiev there were a couple of dogfights and it was not the Su-35 that won 100%, but random 50/50, because modern pilots around the world fly very little and in training they do not launch missiles at each other to really hone evasion and warning skills to then dodge missiles in real combat. That is why the command of the USA, Europe, Russia, Ukraine orders all pilots to avoid a dogfight at all costs, because no country in the world produces enough fighters for a real war, as in the Second World War, where military equipment was simply equipment that solved tasks, and not there was a wunderwafe on a pedestal, on which they prayed that it would not fall apart because it could not be replaced by anything
@@unrealfpvdroneproduction4357 Please restate, how does this argument undermine the credibility of contemporary weaponry? after all we are only talking about life and death scenarios from the comfort of our living rooms. Destruction of enemy assets should not be measured by means, but by cost relative to threat in the long term, right?
@@jhruio That's a simulator, not real life. I was on watch for the first aerial engagement since Kosovo, it was a Hornet vs an Iranian Drone, and the next engagement was an Eagle vs a Su-23. Both aircraft defeated with missiles and little maneuvering. The Raptor shootdown of the Chinese balloon is a joke and should count, especially when literally any of our fighters could have done it.
DCS World. You guys got faked.
No!!!!! Nobody shoots down a drone in Ukraine…..NOBODY!!!!!
Purely a propaganda video. Imagine if it flew over ANY modern gun system. It's like those Video's of pretty girls carrying guns making people thing loads of
women are joining up.. Fact is 2 million of them fled, never to return, Like they ALWAYS have throughout history.
If anything using planes like this (IF they actually are witch i seriously doubt) just shows how desperate they are, like using old Maxim MG's or Mosin rifles.