I’m ever so grateful for John Dehlin (and Margi). The first Mormon Stories I viewed was the McClay’s. I was a seminary teacher at that time, confirmed my doubts and opened Pandora’s box to other podcasts.
I discovered your poddie a few years ago when I was researching ex-high control group members. I'm not an ex-Mormon but was raised Pentecostal, and still have family that are very devout. I ditched it as a teen and it's taken me YEARS to shed the guilt, fear and shame from being raised that way, and find a way to believe and live as a believer (shoutout to United Church of Christ - open and affirming AF woo!). I applaud you all for doing this work. Keep it up.
The one thing that resonated most with me was when John said we have holes to fill from once being believing members to non believing. Filling those gaps will give us wholeness again and this is what I think drives us to read others stories or what podcasts. To fulfil what feels empty. I'm hopeful that what he said happens over time and I can find peace and meaning and purpose in life again after mormonism. A new identity takes such time! Liz I'm sorry for losses. Coming from a place of understanding and compassion will lead a great podcast for those seeking emotional content.
I can relate to John’s upbringing and the racism in the church at that time. I was a mixed race kid in the LDS church during the 70’s and 80’s. For me it was soul crushing. It took me 4 years, between 18 and 22, to leave the church. I have never once regretted my decision. And I am even more grateful that I did not raise my kids in the church.
I was on Dance Company with Liz in high school. It’s interesting to hear Liz’s perspective on those years. From what she says, it seems we had a lot of the same emotions but dealt with them in opposite ways. Wish we could have opened up more back then and supported each other. Especially since we spent so much time together. Anyway, DC Love forever ❤️
My best friend growing up was not Mormon. I gave up trying to convert their family in third grade and instead they kind of converted me. I never really bought into the entire church narrative and stopped going at age 18. When I was a teenager I had a bishop (somebody I did not know since I had just moved there; a stranger to me) tell me that if I didn't stop having sex I would be excommunicated. Well I liked sex and told him to go ahead! Never went back to that ward and nobody ever reached out to me. That was proof to me their love of me was conditional. I could never deep-dive into this religion but my family are all devout. It has taken me years to give up my anger and to embrace the good that is in the church
John thanks for this. It makes me realise that I haven't watched the "pilot" for Mormom Stories. Definitely going to do so shortly. Don't know where I would be in my mindset if it was not for your work
I appreciate you sharing your journey with everyone. I was in the church only a short time (6 Years). I never believed in J: Smith. I attended because of my husband. I always thought that the powers of discernment by the bishop would discover my secret. Nope. He actually hit on me during a meeting I had with him about saving my marriage. You are a great speaker. Keep up the good work. Thank you.
I remember years ago telling my mom about all the women in church who admitted to being treated for depression! I enjoy Brother Holland talks at Gen conference, but I saw him on a show, interview and someone questioning him and it was on the defense and I saw him that wasn't so nice.. kind of made me upset and can understand how Liz said he's scary.
I am not a Mormon , in fact I am an atheist but I am fascinated with religion from an anthropological point of you . As I was not reared in a particularly religious home , and I had quite an unconventional family , i am so intrigued by how people believe in the supernatural . I love Mormon stories , I love to hear how their stories unravel
I have been out since mid 80's. It was very hard and at times I STILL feel guilt and shame, especially when I see the hurt that my mom goes through. We are still very much respectful to each other and our differences. Yet I know what the church teaches and I know she gets upset at the thought that our family will not be "whole" without those who don't get to go to heaven. I sit and think and it boggles my mind... What would the church be like without all their beliefs? If you take out everything that is deceitful, it would not look the same. Just a thought.
I think the Reorganized (now the "Church of Christ") church has the best approach in that they're willing to be honest...to own their wrongs/ mistakes. I'd be more willing to join a church that is willing to learn from their mistakes, to correct what they can & to go forward in new growth! Let those who leave do so. There will be those who join because of the church being willing to be honest & admit when they're wrong!! Humble people will be exalted according to Christ.
In 2008 I experienced Mormons wading into traffic at intersections to present flyers to vote for Prop 8. And don't forget their partnering with the Catholic Church on this. Of interest the person in charge of the Arch Diocese here in San Francisco was from Utah. That year I had Mormon missionaries in my home (I always offer them food) say that church was not involved in politics. It angers me still
Thank you John Dehlin. We know truth when we hear it. Some of us need to move to a more populated city to find and enjoy this ex morman coffee groups. Sounds like a great needed club to find. I enjoy your logic and truth on your show.
This is my new fav episode. I was in opus dei catholicism, but i relate to the whole depression in faith crisis and how insulted i was by the church just not caring
I find it hilarious that the prophets , seers , and revelators never were able to foresee the lion they unleashed the day they excommunicated John! I bet they regret it now! The members of the church should know that this man opened the door to forcing the church to make positive changes on their behalf! Just think about that members of the church, John and many other excommunicated people are doing more for improving the church for its members than anyone in the church! Thank you John and all the others out there!
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! The SONGS. I can’t even. I know every tune and almost every word after almost 20 years of playing in church (I started at age 13!) I have NO IDEA what to do with my brain now. It’s like it’s short-circuiting after a couple of years out of the church hearing these tunes. GAAAAAAH
@@r3b3lutions LOL! Thankfully in the year since I left this comment I have only heard LDS hymns one other time, and that was me, singing “Choose The Right” to a nevermo friend to show him how EFFED UP the message of that song is. I’m calm. I’m calm. lol
I love this podcast and have learned a lot. I grew up in Florida around a large group of Mormans though I was raised Protestant and I still am a Bible believing Christian. I can't blame former Mormans for believing as they do, however I wonder if John and others like him have been opened to researching the truth of the Bible, and other church bodies since leaving the Morman church? I was just curious.
Though I absolutely love and adore these pod casts for their openness and hard honesty, I disagree that hand guns are contributors to higher suicide rates. If a person wants to die they will do it. Pills, jumping off buildings or bridges. Suicide by police.. there are so many ways. I do however believe that the higher causation is probably more correlated to the increase in use of devices and living in the technology world not the real world. Suicide anymore is being considered popular almost to make a statement. Hence 13 reasons why.
I'm gonna say it and I don't feel bad at all. Her first husband chose Jesus over that unicorn...not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Another great show, Jonn!
I was taught that nobody will be cast out for denying the Holy Ghost. It's only for those who have a perfect knowledge and still deny. You are saying apostates/ex members will be cast out?
Listening to John's understanding of Judaism is pretty funny. I can tell he knows American Jews, and not Jews from other places. American's see Jews as a religious group, and so do Jewish Americans. Elsewhere, Jews are a people, with a connection to God, who have religious aspects. Anyways, there are religious Jews who find themselves in Reform, Orthodox etc, but also secular Jews. I would love for John to read some books on Jewish history/identity that are written by non Americans :)
I support progressive Mormons too. And many true believers listen. And never-Mormons. We have a ton of those listened. And I sincerely welcome new podcasts. They will always come and go.
I’m ever so grateful for John Dehlin (and Margi). The first Mormon Stories I viewed was the McClay’s. I was a seminary teacher at that time, confirmed my doubts and opened Pandora’s box to other podcasts.
I discovered your poddie a few years ago when I was researching ex-high control group members. I'm not an ex-Mormon but was raised Pentecostal, and still have family that are very devout. I ditched it as a teen and it's taken me YEARS to shed the guilt, fear and shame from being raised that way, and find a way to believe and live as a believer (shoutout to United Church of Christ - open and affirming AF woo!). I applaud you all for doing this work. Keep it up.
I'm halfway through and this is one of my favorites to watch so far. Thanks!
The one thing that resonated most with me was when John said we have holes to fill from once being believing members to non believing. Filling those gaps will give us wholeness again and this is what I think drives us to read others stories or what podcasts. To fulfil what feels empty. I'm hopeful that what he said happens over time and I can find peace and meaning and purpose in life again after mormonism. A new identity takes such time!
Liz I'm sorry for losses. Coming from a place of understanding and compassion will lead a great podcast for those seeking emotional content.
I can relate to John’s upbringing and the racism in the church at that time. I was a mixed race kid in the LDS church during the 70’s and 80’s. For me it was soul crushing. It took me 4 years, between 18 and 22, to leave the church. I have never once regretted my decision. And I am even more grateful that I did not raise my kids in the church.
I was on Dance Company with Liz in high school. It’s interesting to hear Liz’s perspective on those years. From what she says, it seems we had a lot of the same emotions but dealt with them in opposite ways. Wish we could have opened up more back then and supported each other. Especially since we spent so much time together. Anyway, DC Love forever ❤️
This is awesome! Thank you all.
My best friend growing up was not Mormon. I gave up trying to convert their family in third grade and instead they kind of converted me. I never really bought into the entire church narrative and stopped going at age 18. When I was a teenager I had a bishop (somebody I did not know since I had just moved there; a stranger to me) tell me that if I didn't stop having sex I would be excommunicated. Well I liked sex and told him to go ahead! Never went back to that ward and nobody ever reached out to me. That was proof to me their love of me was conditional. I could never deep-dive into this religion but my family are all devout. It has taken me years to give up my anger and to embrace the good that is in the church
How old are you Diane? Just curious.
@@mormonstories I am 58. You are the same age as my brother
John thanks for this. It makes me realise that I haven't watched the "pilot" for Mormom Stories. Definitely going to do so shortly. Don't know where I would be in my mindset if it was not for your work
Thanks for doing this interview John, it is really nice to hear your views and reasoning and evidence for your truth as the guest.
I'm glad you brought up the depression it's been 2 years and I still feel betrayed.
I appreciate you sharing your journey with everyone. I was in the church only a short time (6 Years). I never believed in J: Smith. I attended because of my husband. I always thought that the powers of discernment by the bishop would discover my secret. Nope. He actually hit on me during a meeting I had with him about saving my marriage. You are a great speaker. Keep up the good work. Thank you.
This is the good stuff I never knew I needed
Liz and Ray's podcast is called "Maintenance Required".
I remember years ago telling my mom about all the women in church who admitted to being treated for depression!
I enjoy Brother Holland talks at Gen conference, but I saw him on a show, interview and someone questioning him and it was on the defense and I saw him that wasn't so nice.. kind of made me upset and can understand how Liz said he's scary.
I am not a Mormon , in fact I am an atheist but I am fascinated with religion from an anthropological point of you . As I was not reared in a particularly religious home , and I had quite an unconventional family , i am so intrigued by how people believe in the supernatural . I love Mormon stories , I love to hear how their stories unravel
I have been out since mid 80's. It was very hard and at times I STILL feel guilt and shame, especially when I see the hurt that my mom goes through. We are still very much respectful to each other and our differences. Yet I know what the church teaches and I know she gets upset at the thought that our family will not be "whole" without those who don't get to go to heaven.
I sit and think and it boggles my mind... What would the church be like without all their beliefs?
If you take out everything that is deceitful, it would not look the same.
Just a thought.
I think the Reorganized (now the "Church of Christ") church has the best approach in that they're willing to be honest...to own their wrongs/ mistakes. I'd be more willing to join a church that is willing to learn from their mistakes, to correct what they can & to go forward in new growth! Let those who leave do so. There will be those who join because of the church being willing to be honest & admit when they're wrong!! Humble people will be exalted according to Christ.
In 2008 I experienced Mormons wading into traffic at intersections to present flyers to vote for Prop 8. And don't forget their partnering with the Catholic Church on this. Of interest the person in charge of the Arch Diocese here in San Francisco was from Utah. That year I had Mormon missionaries in my home (I always offer them food) say that church was not involved in politics. It angers me still
Thank you John Dehlin. We know truth when we hear it. Some of us need to move to a more populated city to find and enjoy this ex morman coffee groups. Sounds like a great needed club to find. I enjoy your logic and truth on your show.
This is my new fav episode. I was in opus dei catholicism, but i relate to the whole depression in faith crisis and how insulted i was by the church just not caring
I’d love to interview you Lawrence! mormonstories@gmail.com
Losing two siblings to suicide?! I remember watching her story and remember about her sibling, but didn’t know about the second one 😩
The 2015 policy is awful. But you can't get baptized until you're 18 should be policy for everyone, imo.
Would love to listen to Liz and Ray's podcast but can't find it. Liz mentioned maintenancerequiredpodcast.com - is that incorrect?
I find it hilarious that the prophets , seers , and revelators never were able to foresee the lion they unleashed the day they excommunicated John! I bet they regret it now! The members of the church should know that this man opened the door to forcing the church to make positive changes on their behalf! Just think about that members of the church, John and many other excommunicated people are doing more for improving the church for its members than anyone in the church! Thank you John and all the others out there!
Yay another episode!
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! The SONGS. I can’t even. I know every tune and almost every word after almost 20 years of playing in church (I started at age 13!) I have NO IDEA what to do with my brain now. It’s like it’s short-circuiting after a couple of years out of the church hearing these tunes. GAAAAAAH
Calm down and watch more Mormon Stories LOL
@@r3b3lutions LOL! Thankfully in the year since I left this comment I have only heard LDS hymns one other time, and that was me, singing “Choose The Right” to a nevermo friend to show him how EFFED UP the message of that song is. I’m calm. I’m calm. lol
I love this podcast and have learned a lot. I grew up in Florida around a large group of Mormans though I was raised Protestant and I still am a Bible believing Christian. I can't blame former Mormans for believing as they do, however I wonder if John and others like him have been opened to researching the truth of the Bible, and other church bodies since leaving the Morman church? I was just curious.
I have been!
www.mormonstories.org/podcast/bart-ehrman/
I’m not able to find their podcast. Can someone help me?
I don’t think it happened.
Well, that would explain it.
Marijuana is far safer than SSRIs, if it helps. The side effect profile of SSRIs is utterly frightening.
Awesome!👍🏽❤️
Though I absolutely love and adore these pod casts for their openness and hard honesty, I disagree that hand guns are contributors to higher suicide rates. If a person wants to die they will do it. Pills, jumping off buildings or bridges. Suicide by police.. there are so many ways. I do however believe that the higher causation is probably more correlated to the increase in use of devices and living in the technology world not the real world. Suicide anymore is being considered popular almost to make a statement. Hence 13 reasons why.
Does anyone know where John got the stat that shows 70-80% of Mormons who reach their 30’s leave the church? I want to show this study to my family...
@mormonstories
You have great balance!
I'm gonna say it and I don't feel bad at all. Her first husband chose Jesus over that unicorn...not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Another great show, Jonn!
I was taught that nobody will be cast out for denying the Holy Ghost. It's only for those who have a perfect knowledge and still deny. You are saying apostates/ex members will be cast out?
Listening to John's understanding of Judaism is pretty funny. I can tell he knows American Jews, and not Jews from other places. American's see Jews as a religious group, and so do Jewish Americans. Elsewhere, Jews are a people, with a connection to God, who have religious aspects. Anyways, there are religious Jews who find themselves in Reform, Orthodox etc, but also secular Jews. I would love for John to read some books on Jewish history/identity that are written by non Americans :)
Speaking of Millennials as General Authorities- What about a Prophet who is foreign born? I have never heard this talked about. Why is that?
We will go down. LOL
…God prefers us really hot or cold, but never luke warm
I made a "return and report" joke the other day. My Mormon brain cringed.
You were only doing that which has been done on other worlds.
Mormonism sounds like it's far cooler than Jehovah's witnesses.
Mormon Stories has a niche as an online support group for x or anti Mormons. It seems like more and more similar podcasts are popping up.
I support progressive Mormons too. And many true believers listen. And never-Mormons. We have a ton of those listened.
And I sincerely welcome new podcasts. They will always come and go.
John, please stop waving your hands around so much!
Some people communicate better using hand expression.😊
No, please wave your hands around more! It shows how passionate you are on these subjects!!!