You CAN NOT hose out an element. Wet mop? Sure. BUT, do NOT hose it out. (There is a controller module under one of the front seats. Along with a bunch of other random connections throughout. Don’t hose it out. You will fry stuff.)
@@jonlosito2004shouldn’t buy either unless they have been looked after properly, both are known to be nightmares from neglect, however the Range Rover is miles better off road out the door.
My old 2013 Xterra I purchased new, was an absolute billy goat. Gave me 120k problem free miles with at least 1/3 in mud, ruts, and unmarked trails. Never faltered.
Maybe it’s because I grew up when the Xterra was new and cool, but I still notice every one I see on the road. They’re not as ambiguous and common as most SUVs, and I think they still look cool and sporty.
I've got an 05' and it shocks me how reliable it is. This last year I took it from DC to Utah to Florida to Montreal and back to DC and it didn't give me a single problem. Plus, getting 27-29mpg on the highway in a vehicle with that much room inside is pretty awesome. The last time I moved apartments across town, I was able to move all of my things in a 2 bedroom apartment without having to rent a Uhaul. Took about 5 trips, but still cheaper.
@Scotter4536 my 06 element had a lot of mechanical issues in 2022. Had it since 2015. We loved that car. Unfortunately, it cost to much to maintain it (rebuilt engine didn't fix the problem we had with the element)
@@Scotter4536 Lol especially having to move things. It’s like a truck basically. Just crazy to me how for my Element, other than some routine maintenance and oil changes, I’ve left that thing out year after year, the hot and cold hasn’t made it unreliable. Well done Honda.
I wanted one when they came out, and when my wife needed a “new” car, she really liked the Element. I wanted her to get us a Honda with AWD and storage capacity. So the fleet we have is all Honda, all “under-appreciated in their time” models: Element EX AWD and Accord V6/6spd coupe. Both 2007, both Nighthawk Black Pearl. 220k and 270k miles on them.
“I’m sorry sir, after the legendary Doug Demuro brought attention to the marketplace on how glorious the Honda element is, I’m doubling my asking price.”🤣
The TJ is really the deal atm. Great engine, AMAZING off-road capability, holds value, looks great, infinitely upgradable, and is really the sweet spot for wranglers. Just enough new tech to be a comfortable daily and was the first to get coil springs for awesome off-road performance. They will blow up in value soon. The Cherokees has already blown up.
I bought a 2012 cayenne turbo with 150K miles on it for 23K about 2 years ago, msrp was $123K. Got a PPI done to make sure it was in decent shape which it was give the mileage (mainly highway miles, interior and exterior looked great). I ended up lifting it, adding eurowise UCAs, wheels, spacers, and skid plates. My advice- Maintenance is a brutal. If you don’t do your own work expect each time you’re in the shop to cost you a couple grand. Its also super difficult to find people that know how to work on older, modded cayennes. They are insanely complex. IF YOU GET THE TURBO SWAP OUT THE AIR SUSPENSION. I blew out those airbags more times then I cared to admit, had I just swapped for coils the first time I blew out the bags I would’ve saved thousands. If you find a good shop to work on the cayenne and don’t have air suspension they are incredible vehicles. The handle way better than a 5000lbs suv ever should, look good, turned heads when you get the knobby tires on them, and with PTV+ had rear and center locking diffs. I ended up selling for a raptor but when the cayenne wasn’t in the shop it was a fun vehicle.
The only thing that's even slightly undervalued here is the XTERRA. Every other car on this list enjoys a strong following, high demand, and an inflated value. The Porsche is an exception, but the cost of maintenance is so high it isn't undervalued in my opinion.
@@aaronwallace8098Id definitely put earlier model sequoias like first gen I believe and 2005-2012 Pathfinders, those are a great value where I'm at, can get clean ones with around 250,000km for around 5-8k CAD
On the same note as the Xterra, the R51 Pathfinder (2005-2012) was also a great under the radar off-roader. It was a true body-on-frame SUV, before Nissan went to the unibody crap we have today. It even had an optional V8 in its final years. I was considering one, but ultimately went with a 4th Gen 4Runner.
just like to add the 3rd gen suzuki grand vitara. had one for 4 years, lifted, got the bumper changed to a steel one giving it a huge approach angle, got better tires, which in the end all this gave it 10 inches of ground clearance. the thing was small, but hella capable. light weight, enough horsepower (depending on the engine) and spacious. looking at it you'll find a lot of small details for offroading. thing was a small beast and it took me a long time to sell it since the engine died
I bought 2 brand new Elements over the years. I loved them. They’re a perfect road trip vehicle. Surprisingly capable off road…if you learn to place your tires carefully and don’t do anything crazy. I plowed through soft sandy beaches that got plenty of other vehicles stuck and bogged. They are great though for crashing in your vehicle for the night at rest stops and Walmarts.
Doug! Please please please do a Honda element review! Find an 08-11 in good condition in Cali. Easy review and it’s so quirky you’d love it and Everyone would love it! Let’s go!
As an element owner, My weird little 2010 4wd box will at most, do rallycross style things. Off roading is definitely possible, but at the end of the day there's more CRVs out there than elements, and parts are more available (although some are directly compatible with the element). Now there's some element owners out there who _really do_ consider it for off roading, and I can say the cars the build are pretty neat. I just personally can't suggest it as one unless the buyer is willing to spend the extra money on making it that class of off roader. _that aside_ great content as always doug :)
The problem with the GX460 is it’s so much heavier and more ponderous to drive than the 470. 470’s feel downright quick and nimble compared to the 460’s I’ve driven. It really needed the 5.7L engine.
A slightly controversial, but good consideration, is the first-generation BMW X5 (E53) with the 3.0 straight six (M54). The comfort and handling confidence on-road make these great daily drivers. Combined with BMW’s blatant copy of Land Rovers terrain response system, a small suspension spacer, and the addition of 33” tires: they really do outperforming expectations off-road. Parts are relatively cheap, and they are easily worked on by most shops or DIY’ers.
The 100 series land cruiser are very expensive. However, a First gen Toyota Sequoia is quite cheap and has the same powertrain, and still has 4x4 high/low.
@jamessemple4897 for sure. I only recently learned the Sequioa shares Land Cruiser hardware. I think when I have a family I'll swap my 2nd gen Escalade for one of those, or even a 5.7 second gen.
The Sequoia fits more than the offroader undervalued list. Stupid cheap. Have 2 land cruisers and sequoia and still don't understand why the Sequoia is so cheap
I was in the market for a GX 470 for the last couple months and had two sub $8k deals fall through on some high mileage, less than ideal condition models. Ended up finding a GX 460 for 13.5k and I absolutely love it. I kind of put myself out of the market for one of them because I didn't think they'd be so cheap. Had this 190k mile example for 3 weeks now and its been amazing.
I already said this on instagram but Nissan did nothing more than put different bumpers on the Patrol and sold it to us the G2 Armada yet NOBODY talks about it... those things can absolutely eat up trails.
A 4th gen Ford Explorer (2006-2010) is my pick. Specifically, the 4.6 V8 version that came paired with the 6r60 transmission. Body on frame, RWD biased 4x4 with low range, cheap to own, very reliable, and parts are everywhere if you do need them. They're fairly easy to work on and modify. Most importantly, you can beat the crap out of it and not worry too much because no one really cares about old Explorers all that much. Edit: I almost forgot that most of them have a foldable 3rd row, so you can either bring a bunch of friends or a bunch of stuff with you on your adventures
Mine is the GM version. Only thing that sucks about blazers and Jimmys is they only come with a V6. A great V6, but still a 90’s V6. V8 milage with I4 power
Surprised he didn't mention the Land Rover LR3. Excellent 4.4 Jaguar AJ-V8 engine with the stout ZF 6HP transmission, locking front and rear differentials, low-range transfer case, adjustable air suspension, and Denso-sourced electronics. By far one of the most reliable modern Land Rovers (avoids the notorious Rover V8 and the infamous 4.4 BMW V8 and BMW electronics of the Range Rovers) and they are absolutely dirt-cheap on the used market (under $10k for a good low-mileage example). There's a reason there's plenty of 250k+ mile running and driving LR3s on the used market, they're very reliable for what they offer for the money.
I’m a 2019 GX460 owner. Got my Luxury version used for less than a used 4 Runner. It might have a “heinous” grill, but I love it and wanted to get a newer one.
The Nissan Xterra saved my life I was going 80 on the interstate and one of my tires blew out and I directly smashed into a rock wall and flipped multiple times. I landed upside down and I walked away from the crash with no broken bones.
I just bought a GX470! I love it. I like the style, I like the old style it has but not too old that it feels like a tractor. I wanted to go with the 460 but I didn’t have the money so I went with the 470.
@@damilolaakanni The update ones were quite a bit better built than the early ones, but the masochist in me still wants an early one with the skyview roof
This list reads like my mid-00’s highschool car wish list lol. I remember stressing over an Element, Extera and a 4Runner with a 10k budget. Ended up with a Jeep Cherokee that was a ton of fun.
i just bought an element for 1500 lol. it's pretty damn rusty but i bought it for a winter beater. you definitely can't hose it out, there's no drain holes haha. it's also super odd to drive it around, it feels like a train car. it's a 5 speed manual transmission k24. i bought it to throw my snowboard in for the winter season.
My wife and I have had a 2006 Honda Element for 13 years and we love it. It isn't a rock crawler but it can certainly handle a logging road with no trouble. Ours an all wheel drive, and is a great snow car for our area. It is very versatile and use it for everything our sedans can't do.
Doug finally acknowledged how good GX460s are. They're literally Prados with a bodykit and a V8. I love mine, the build quality is top notch and they're remarkably good offroad. Fuel economy is a different story 😅
@@canuckfixit7722 I think Honda dealers made up that rumor to try and sell the no carpet interior. I 100% agree - do not rinse it out with a hose. 21 year owner of Honda Element. I have owned close to 25 cars in my lifetime. My Element is the best car I have owned. Lots of Honda, Toyotas and a few Porsches and my Element stands out over all. Great vehicle.
The xterra is very under rated. There is a local one with a winch and snorkel, offroad tires. Constantly muddy with different coats of mud. Lmfao they get their use out if it. That said when I overoaded in my Jeep I was very surprised and impressed by how many people fj cruiser pulled out of being stuck with their winch/ good off road ability. 2007-2011 era. So much fun. I Miss ohio for that
If you're buying a nissan xterra second gen, for the love of everything change the original radiator for an aftermarket one!!!!! If you do that the terra will drive until the wheels fall off. I didn't know at the time and by the time oil and coolant started dancing inside the trans it was too late, I change the trans put new radiator and the terra still kicking 8 years later at 197xxxx
I came into my Xterra from originally looking at 4Runners, when I realized that I could get all the same capability for legitimately about half the money. Got the nicest late-production Pro-4x with low miles I could find and I absolutely love it, still super reliable and only cost me around 16K US. Any 4Runner for that money would be much older, and probably have twice the mileage.
@@sm_flys same thing man! I didn't know it at the time and my trans died! Put in a new radiator and a low mileage trans and she still kicking at 197k 6 years later. I bought it with 118k and trans went at 124k
i recently bought a 2005 land cruiser and its fantastic I got it for just under 9k with 190k miles. did the timing belt water pump some accessories and radiator at work (lexus tech) and and besides a leaky axle seal everything works and it drives fantastic. paints a little rough but I love it so much already and I've only had it for maybe a month and a half
I would love to see Doug do a review on the Honda element now. For years iv been commenting and begging him to review one and now I’m hoping that might finally come true. As an owner of one it would make my day. This already did as is.
Element owner here. I bought mine used about 4 yrs ago and I absolutely LOVE it. I have the pet options in it which I use to ride my boy around and for home depot and grocery runs. I wish I had bought this when it was new I enjoy it that much!
Couldn't agree MORE about the Xterra. Have a 2011 since new! Still great. Easy to fix parts (replaced alternator) added backup camera and apple car play. Great long lasting transmission!!
You know nothing, I have a 2000 Pathfinder R50, same engine, same trans, 260k miles, still turns on, VG33, very reliable engine, shared with the Xterra, the only issue with the Xterra is the Radiator.
Xterra/Frontier rival 4Runner/Tacoma in reliability. They can easily get 300k+ miles. I know because I wanted 4Runner reliability without the 4Runner price and did months of research.
We bought a new xterra in 2012 and put 120k miles on it with nothing but basic maintenance. Nissan made some bad cars but the xterra is an absolute beast.
It's the same drivetrain as the D40 frontier, which are known as high mileage trucks. They don't even have toyota frame rot issues... I often wish I had an XT over my frontier, but having a truck on the farm is needed lots lol.
TJs are not undervalued. The price of a TJ is astronomical compared to an XJ that will have the same exact engine plus a better automatic behind that 4.0 with the Aisin AW4
Put some respect on the FJ Cruiser. You're always skipping over it despite its incredible reliability, capability and styling. They've held their value well but they're still a lot of bang for your buck.
2004-2008 Honda Pilot 4WD is a great deal. Have had my 2006 for 5 years, and with the simple addition of all terrain tires, it does great in snow and light/medium duty off-roading. Plus, it’s cheap to buy, fits a ton of stuff in it, has 3 rows of seats and has Honda reliability. If you need something a little bigger than the Element, get one.
Only an issue with automatics. Manuals don't have oil coolers in the radiator. With older 4x4's you want manual anyway. If you have to have an auto, the fix is just a radiator swap. The fact that this issue is so feared might be a big reason why these are still so undervalued.
@coffeeandlifting valid point, but still a massive concern for the autos. Nissan did state cover the radiator for a while, but last I knew they didn't acknowledge trans failure as a byproduct so you were left on your own for that. I don't know if that changed after so many of these had the problem, but I remember when it happened to me, the trans was a 4 month national backorder. I am sure any potential coverage is long gone for trucks that age so you would be on your own for whatever happened anyways at this point. With potential for an issue that could be as widespread as that, is it really undervaluing the truck or is it just covering yourself for a very possible and expensive gotcha?
Element owner since 2007 here. You CANT hose them out- no drainage holes. Post 05 had updated wiring insulation from this myth but still can cause damage. Not the best weight bias for traction off road but it’s super practical and useful. I love mine! Also has a dedicated following that has inflated prices even before any overlanding recommendation.
Element owner here. Most usable vehicle I've ever owned. Had it for years after getting rid of my Accord Wagon. Will keep it until it won't go anymore.
Everything he says about the 80 series LC, but the one I sold to a buddy he just sold with 370k miles and there was never any engine repairs beyond scheduled maintenance. The thing was just solid.
Amazingly he didnt mention the first generation mercedes ML. By far the best bang for the buck. $4k buys you the cleanest example and lifting it is insanely cheap and easy.
Picked up a 70k mile 01 ML55 AMG for 7k. Will comfortably fit 32” A/T’s without a lift and easily clears a 5000 mile round trip including plenty of 4 star off-road trails
@@justSTUMBLEDupon they are old, so many need new shocks anyways, good excuse to upgrade. Here are really no major mechanical issues to worry about as the m113 v8 and the m112 v6 in these are bulletproof, along with the 5 speed auto that comes in them. Some dumb little things may stop working like the headlight washers, but I just leave them unfixed because I could care less. 40k miles later and only normal maintenance & she still runs like a top.
@justSTUMBLEDupon a lot of them are "mechanically totalled" because the ABS ESP ETS lights in the dash are on. The dealer will diagnose a whole new ABS pump system for $4k. But it's often a $20 fix with a little research. I bought an ML55 for a song because of this and it was the $5 brushes in the ABS pump motor being worn out. A few deferred maintenance items fixed and I'm in the thing with $2k in repairs and it's solid. I take it off road and have a blast but also wash it off and drive it to work in a suit. I love the thing way more than I expected. In retrospect the AMG is a waste of money because it's barely faster. I should have just bought the cleanest ML320/ML350/ML500 I could find.
The most overlooked off roader is the 2013-2017 Ford Escape. It has true 4WD, with a center locking differential. The 1.5 and the 2.0 (not so much the 1.6) engines are reliable. The 6 speed tranny is solid. Put off road tires on it, or go to the next level and lift it a couple inches, you've a surprising off road vehicle. The only thing it's missing is a low gear.
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Cateful of 05-10 auto xterras. The radiatiors can leak into the trans cooler. Theres a recall but if it wasnt caught in time the trans is toast. Thats why 11-15s and manuals are more expensive.
The element was actually pretty smooth of dirt roads at moderate speeds, particularly when loaded with gear. The suspension was designed for it and it was a rougher ride on pavement with no load.
Did Doug unironically say that the GX460 is undervalued? My dude, have you seen the prices? I bought a 2004 v8 4Runner for $9k with 200k miles from a dude who rust protected the frame, upgraded the suspension, replaced the brakes and lower control arms, swapped the CD player for a pioneer unit with CarPlay and Android Auto, and added an ARB grill. The GX470s of similar age were going for >$10k with none of those things and the GX460s were going for nearly double that. You can buy a 2017 Tacoma in decent shape for that price. That isn't affordable, given all of the additional work you'll have to do to get them off-road worthy
I'm glad TJs are mentioned on this list. Even though they are certainly going up in value, what you can do with a near stock TJ is pretty incredible. Love mine even as a daily.
Hummer H3 with all offroad adventure packages. You can get a adventure package H3 w/i5 engine for next to nothing, the adventure package came with lockers, I believe there are 3 options for them. Some people say get the H3 Alpha (which came with the 5.3 V8) but never mention the adventure packages. A V8 adventure package is ridiculously rare whereas a i5 with all adventure packages is cheaper than a base model alpha.
I think another overlooked suv is the gmt800 gm suvs (tahoes and Yukons). Very reliable, surprisingly well equipped on the interior and with a z71 package they can be quite capable. Plus there’s a million of them.
Love my TJ Wrangler. Was the first car I bought and paid for 100% myself as a young man. Daily drove it through college where the Michigan winters tried to kill it. Awful daily driver, but now I'm swapping the tub on it and giving it the love it deserves. Amazing vehicle.
W163 Mercedes ML. It’s a body on frame design, essentially a truck. They are priced much lower than anything you listed. They are also reliable and durable vehicles too. Many of them have over 200k miles with basic maintenance.
People always forget about the Volvos. The jack of all trades but master of none. I had an XC70 with a lift kit and BFG AT performed way better than anyone would expect. Now I have an XC60 T6
Center locking center diif; rear lockers; front lockers; low range; lifted on 33s. 2008 Land Cruisers are $30,000, LX 570s same. My 2006 Touareg with air suspension. A-Trac on 200 series is complicated.
Xterra prices have remained steady for a few years now. They aren't going up in price but aren't fading either. It's partly because there is no new version for people to buy.
The AWD manual version of the Element is a bit of a unicorn.🦄 Got my ‘03 last year and shipped it to where the roads are rough where I live. Couldn’t be happier!🚙
The Xterra might be the best bargain in the world if you want a semi-modern true 4x4 suv with a manual transmission that doesn’t cost an arm and a leg like the new Broncos
I had an 02 Xterra that I eventually traded in for my current 14. I would buy another if they hadn't discontinued it. Every time I take it to the dealer for service I get the full court press to sell it to them. I think there's a lot of desire out there for a good condition one, which mine is. I'm going to drive it till it dies 😊
What no one seems to mention ever when talking about the 100 series is the fuel. Have two of them, it eats as much gas as a fully loaded rv. It’s insane the amount of fuel these things go through.
As an owner of the same element pictured in your thumbnail- an element is not an off roader. I love it to death. I have a 5mt if you would like to review it next time you are in denver.
I'd be curious how hobbyist mechanic it the process of swapping the steel tub for an aftermarket fibreglass one. Seems like a reasonable thing to do, given how relatively low-tech TJs are
@@NSUGS Both the tub and the frame rust. The tub likes to rust over the front wheels and on the three front mounting bolts, and the frame likes to rust just behind the rear lower control arm mounts.
Was about to list an element for $2900. My price just went up 100%.
Damn it!
NUH UH
Great timing for me too!! Haha
I just picture a clapped out rust trap
@@gjmbarusha6999 Hilarious and not old joke
You CAN NOT hose out an element. Wet mop? Sure. BUT, do NOT hose it out.
(There is a controller module under one of the front seats. Along with a bunch of other random connections throughout. Don’t hose it out. You will fry stuff.)
Too late
Yeah. I own and element. And EVERYBODY thinks you can spray it out, everybody i talk to about it. Must have been an add campaign gone wrong.
I use to gently hose mine out. Maybe I got lucky.
and you can fit a medium sized fridge in that thing
Cant wait for people to do it just because Doug said so
Doug is the type of guy to open a library filled with owners manuals from different cars.
Hear me out… that’s actually a great idea
I would 100% spend hours a day at that library
Can someone rich... Like Doug, do this? That would be amazing, id potentially move just to experience it. Love reading owners manuals strangely
Once again seeing this comment, it would be a banger
@@Mk5.maniac same
There are two types of people:
1. People who like Honda elements.
2. People who don't know they like Honda elements.
Yes, same with the Ridgeline. Both awesome vehicles
Yea my dad just got one and i just got a crv 04 wont lie his element is the better version of my crv
Porsche Cayenne sounds great until it's time to service it.
What about a Range Rover?? 🤔
@@jonlosito2004shouldn’t buy either unless they have been looked after properly, both are known to be nightmares from neglect, however the Range Rover is miles better off road out the door.
Mom said it’s my turn to make this comment
Cayenne? Mechanics killers special....
Same, mechanics special killer..... Junk
My old 2013 Xterra I purchased new, was an absolute billy goat. Gave me 120k problem free miles with at least 1/3 in mud, ruts, and unmarked trails. Never faltered.
Maybe it’s because I grew up when the Xterra was new and cool, but I still notice every one I see on the road. They’re not as ambiguous and common as most SUVs, and I think they still look cool and sporty.
Luxurious yet rugged. Leave it to the Japanese
I love Xterras, they’re the poor man’s 4Runner
@@emilybriancochran9700 same, I miss mine.
As a 4Runner fanboy, Nissan needs to bring back the Xterra (or this rumored Americanized Nissan Patrol....)
"Here are 6 Undervalued Off-Roaders to Buy Right Now... On Cars & Bids!!!"
Fixed it for you
back with your daily dose of market manipulation
Most tired comment type in the internet car world.
Wow, you figured out that a major reason for these videos is marketing? Good job!! 👏👏👏
Don’t get me started on the Honda Element… Still have mine and I love that thing. Never once let me stranded in 21 years of ownership.
I've got an 05' and it shocks me how reliable it is. This last year I took it from DC to Utah to Florida to Montreal and back to DC and it didn't give me a single problem. Plus, getting 27-29mpg on the highway in a vehicle with that much room inside is pretty awesome. The last time I moved apartments across town, I was able to move all of my things in a 2 bedroom apartment without having to rent a Uhaul. Took about 5 trips, but still cheaper.
@Scotter4536 my 06 element had a lot of mechanical issues in 2022. Had it since 2015. We loved that car. Unfortunately, it cost to much to maintain it (rebuilt engine didn't fix the problem we had with the element)
@@Scotter4536 Lol especially having to move things. It’s like a truck basically. Just crazy to me how for my Element, other than some routine maintenance and oil changes, I’ve left that thing out year after year, the hot and cold hasn’t made it unreliable. Well done Honda.
21 years? Damn I just turned 20 over couple weeks ago… I feel old now
The Element was a under rated car that most people didn’t realize they needed. Nothing exist like it today.
you can fit a medium sized fridge in that thang
@@isaaccan3155 it's a car that really feels like it can do anything, take anything, go anywhere. And it's just so simple. It's the Swiss army car
I wanted one when they came out, and when my wife needed a “new” car, she really liked the Element. I wanted her to get us a Honda with AWD and storage capacity.
So the fleet we have is all Honda, all “under-appreciated in their time” models: Element EX AWD and Accord V6/6spd coupe. Both 2007, both Nighthawk Black Pearl. 220k and 270k miles on them.
@ElCrab very cool accord. Coupe or sedan? My element is awd with a a stick. Hard combo to find
Kia Soul is pretty close!
Honda - bring back the Element!!!
yeah, you could fit a medium sized fridge in that thang
I have a growing resentment for Doug’s new videos 😂truly ruining all the lowballs I throw every weekend on marketplace elements
He stopped being a car guy years ago. He's just a businessman now trying to inflate the market to make money.
“I’m sorry sir, after the legendary Doug Demuro brought attention to the marketplace on how glorious the Honda element is, I’m doubling my asking price.”🤣
Good thing I already have 3.
Pfft, the Element market has been hyped up long before this video.....
RUclipsrs ruin everything good lol
The TJ is really the deal atm. Great engine, AMAZING off-road capability, holds value, looks great, infinitely upgradable, and is really the sweet spot for wranglers. Just enough new tech to be a comfortable daily and was the first to get coil springs for awesome off-road performance. They will blow up in value soon. The Cherokees has already blown up.
I bought a 2012 cayenne turbo with 150K miles on it for 23K about 2 years ago, msrp was $123K. Got a PPI done to make sure it was in decent shape which it was give the mileage (mainly highway miles, interior and exterior looked great). I ended up lifting it, adding eurowise UCAs, wheels, spacers, and skid plates.
My advice- Maintenance is a brutal. If you don’t do your own work expect each time you’re in the shop to cost you a couple grand. Its also super difficult to find people that know how to work on older, modded cayennes. They are insanely complex. IF YOU GET THE TURBO SWAP OUT THE AIR SUSPENSION. I blew out those airbags more times then I cared to admit, had I just swapped for coils the first time I blew out the bags I would’ve saved thousands.
If you find a good shop to work on the cayenne and don’t have air suspension they are incredible vehicles. The handle way better than a 5000lbs suv ever should, look good, turned heads when you get the knobby tires on them, and with PTV+ had rear and center locking diffs. I ended up selling for a raptor but when the cayenne wasn’t in the shop it was a fun vehicle.
Did Doug just unironically say the Land Cruiser is undervalued? 😂
The only thing that's even slightly undervalued here is the XTERRA. Every other car on this list enjoys a strong following, high demand, and an inflated value. The Porsche is an exception, but the cost of maintenance is so high it isn't undervalued in my opinion.
@@joshbridges9234 I just checked online, cheapest 100 series I saw in a quick search was $9,900 with 270k miles
@@aaronwallace8098Id definitely put earlier model sequoias like first gen I believe and 2005-2012 Pathfinders, those are a great value where I'm at, can get clean ones with around 250,000km for around 5-8k CAD
Review a Samurai, Doug.
And offroad It!!!
Dodge Raider is more interesting
@@amazingjason455 he reviews cars, not warriors
You got one?!?!?
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On the same note as the Xterra, the R51 Pathfinder (2005-2012) was also a great under the radar off-roader. It was a true body-on-frame SUV, before Nissan went to the unibody crap we have today. It even had an optional V8 in its final years. I was considering one, but ultimately went with a 4th Gen 4Runner.
I'd pick the R50 over the R51. More nimble, better built.
Nissan are making R51 successor (based on Navara truck), but due to the lack of proper powertrain, it's not offered on NA market.
just like to add the 3rd gen suzuki grand vitara. had one for 4 years, lifted, got the bumper changed to a steel one giving it a huge approach angle, got better tires, which in the end all this gave it 10 inches of ground clearance. the thing was small, but hella capable. light weight, enough horsepower (depending on the engine) and spacious. looking at it you'll find a lot of small details for offroading. thing was a small beast and it took me a long time to sell it since the engine died
I bought 2 brand new Elements over the years. I loved them. They’re a perfect road trip vehicle. Surprisingly capable off road…if you learn to place your tires carefully and don’t do anything crazy. I plowed through soft sandy beaches that got plenty of other vehicles stuck and bogged. They are great though for crashing in your vehicle for the night at rest stops and Walmarts.
Doug! Please please please do a Honda element review! Find an 08-11 in good condition in Cali. Easy review and it’s so quirky you’d love it and Everyone would love it! Let’s go!
As an element owner, My weird little 2010 4wd box will at most, do rallycross style things. Off roading is definitely possible, but at the end of the day there's more CRVs out there than elements, and parts are more available (although some are directly compatible with the element).
Now there's some element owners out there who _really do_ consider it for off roading, and I can say the cars the build are pretty neat. I just personally can't suggest it as one unless the buyer is willing to spend the extra money on making it that class of off roader.
_that aside_ great content as always doug :)
I’m glad I bought a GX 460 before Doug drove the price up.
The problem with the GX460 is it’s so much heavier and more ponderous to drive than the 470. 470’s feel downright quick and nimble compared to the 460’s I’ve driven. It really needed the 5.7L engine.
A slightly controversial, but good consideration, is the first-generation BMW X5 (E53) with the 3.0 straight six (M54). The comfort and handling confidence on-road make these great daily drivers. Combined with BMW’s blatant copy of Land Rovers terrain response system, a small suspension spacer, and the addition of 33” tires: they really do outperforming expectations off-road. Parts are relatively cheap, and they are easily worked on by most shops or DIY’ers.
We bought a new Element right when they came out in 2003. FWD with the manual. We had it 10 years and drove it 250k miles. Best car we ever owned.
i just bought an element 3 days ago $2000, 186,XXX miles, best decision of the year so far
The 100 series land cruiser are very expensive. However, a First gen Toyota Sequoia is quite cheap and has the same powertrain, and still has 4x4 high/low.
Doug the type to ruin the underrated car market with vids like this
I just want my Xterra to go up in value man lol.
Or if you’re looking for a 100 series Land Cruiser that is affordable… look at the 1st gen sequoia 👀
@jamessemple4897 for sure. I only recently learned the Sequioa shares Land Cruiser hardware. I think when I have a family I'll swap my 2nd gen Escalade for one of those, or even a 5.7 second gen.
The Sequoia fits more than the offroader undervalued list. Stupid cheap. Have 2 land cruisers and sequoia and still don't understand why the Sequoia is so cheap
What year Sequoia should I be looking at?
The ones that are similar to the LC .
Thank you
Edit- I saw you said first gen . Any other ones?
@@DaveEPie first gen non-Limited editions as the cloth seats are more durable. 4wd if you can get it.
I was in the market for a GX 470 for the last couple months and had two sub $8k deals fall through on some high mileage, less than ideal condition models. Ended up finding a GX 460 for 13.5k and I absolutely love it. I kind of put myself out of the market for one of them because I didn't think they'd be so cheap. Had this 190k mile example for 3 weeks now and its been amazing.
Before I even watch this if a Nissan Xterra ain't on this list then y'all need to look into that as well
Hell yea brother Doug has spoken the TRUTH
Those things have started to slowly creep up in price since last year I am in shambles. My dad's 06 Pathfinder has 145k miles, great truck!
Was the Xterra built in Japan?
I already said this on instagram but Nissan did nothing more than put different bumpers on the Patrol and sold it to us the G2 Armada yet NOBODY talks about it... those things can absolutely eat up trails.
@@justSTUMBLEDupon no, usa
A 4th gen Ford Explorer (2006-2010) is my pick. Specifically, the 4.6 V8 version that came paired with the 6r60 transmission. Body on frame, RWD biased 4x4 with low range, cheap to own, very reliable, and parts are everywhere if you do need them. They're fairly easy to work on and modify. Most importantly, you can beat the crap out of it and not worry too much because no one really cares about old Explorers all that much.
Edit: I almost forgot that most of them have a foldable 3rd row, so you can either bring a bunch of friends or a bunch of stuff with you on your adventures
Mine is the GM version. Only thing that sucks about blazers and Jimmys is they only come with a V6. A great V6, but still a 90’s V6. V8 milage with I4 power
Surprised he didn't mention the Land Rover LR3. Excellent 4.4 Jaguar AJ-V8 engine with the stout ZF 6HP transmission, locking front and rear differentials, low-range transfer case, adjustable air suspension, and Denso-sourced electronics.
By far one of the most reliable modern Land Rovers (avoids the notorious Rover V8 and the infamous 4.4 BMW V8 and BMW electronics of the Range Rovers) and they are absolutely dirt-cheap on the used market (under $10k for a good low-mileage example). There's a reason there's plenty of 250k+ mile running and driving LR3s on the used market, they're very reliable for what they offer for the money.
@@computerwiz4 way more expensive to fix than the others though.
I’m a 2019 GX460 owner. Got my Luxury version used for less than a used 4 Runner. It might have a “heinous” grill, but I love it and wanted to get a newer one.
The Nissan Xterra saved my life I was going 80 on the interstate and one of my tires blew out and I directly smashed into a rock wall and flipped multiple times. I landed upside down and I walked away from the crash with no broken bones.
A frontier blew a rear driver side tire in front of my place not long ago, wrecked the bed and someother bits, occupants managed well. Kudos, Nissan.
@@Pukefun sounds like the Xterra almost killed you to me
@@jesseflores9087 lol
Good story bro-
Just had a blowout doing 75 on a left rear . Sienna 2012-
It got squirrel-ly but managed to slow it down. F ing scary.
I just bought a GX470! I love it. I like the style, I like the old style it has but not too old that it feels like a tractor. I wanted to go with the 460 but I didn’t have the money so I went with the 470.
The Mercedes ML w163 is a surprisingly capable off roader for super cheap.
And for a car that was nicknamed the "Alabama trashcan", it was surprisingly reliable. It wasn't well built, but they were very reliable.
@@damilolaakanni The update ones were quite a bit better built than the early ones, but the masochist in me still wants an early one with the skyview roof
I own a 98 TJ. Mine is a 4.0, 5 speed. It's a fantastic vehicle. It has 205,000 miles on it now and has been nothing but reliable for me.
We own 2 Elements. One since new in 2008 and a recently purchased 2003.
bet you could fit medium sized fridges in them thangs
This list reads like my mid-00’s highschool car wish list lol. I remember stressing over an Element, Extera and a 4Runner with a 10k budget. Ended up with a Jeep Cherokee that was a ton of fun.
i just bought an element for 1500 lol. it's pretty damn rusty but i bought it for a winter beater. you definitely can't hose it out, there's no drain holes haha. it's also super odd to drive it around, it feels like a train car. it's a 5 speed manual transmission k24. i bought it to throw my snowboard in for the winter season.
you can fit a medium sized fridge in that thang
@@therealmudafuka7200 yep, there's so much room for activities
My wife and I have had a 2006 Honda Element for 13 years and we love it. It isn't a rock crawler but it can certainly handle a logging road with no trouble. Ours an all wheel drive, and is a great snow car for our area. It is very versatile and use it for everything our sedans can't do.
Everyone I know who's owned an element has loved it
you can fit a medium sized fridge in that thang
@@therealmudafuka7200 full sized fridge fr
Doug finally acknowledged how good GX460s are. They're literally Prados with a bodykit and a V8. I love mine, the build quality is top notch and they're remarkably good offroad. Fuel economy is a different story 😅
Agree. Just bought one. Love driving it, hate fueling it. lol
2:08 No, no, no! You CANNOT hose out the interior of an Element.😠 Don't do it!!! You CAN wet mop it if you like. Who made up that false rumor anyway?
@@canuckfixit7722 I think Honda dealers made up that rumor to try and sell the no carpet interior.
I 100% agree - do not rinse it out with a hose.
21 year owner of Honda Element. I have owned close to 25 cars in my lifetime. My Element is the best car I have owned. Lots of Honda, Toyotas and a few Porsches and my Element stands out over all. Great vehicle.
@@billcunningham8485 They do seem insanely practical, and they have arguably the best 4-cyl motor of all time.
The xterra is very under rated. There is a local one with a winch and snorkel, offroad tires. Constantly muddy with different coats of mud. Lmfao they get their use out if it. That said when I overoaded in my Jeep I was very surprised and impressed by how many people fj cruiser pulled out of being stuck with their winch/ good off road ability. 2007-2011 era. So much fun. I Miss ohio for that
Don’t you want a body on frame for off-roader. The Lexus gx 460 is the best of the ones you have listed. The Nissan xterra is second on this list.
2002-2005 Mercedes-benz ML350 W163 (Facelift)
If you're buying a nissan xterra second gen, for the love of everything change the original radiator for an aftermarket one!!!!! If you do that the terra will drive until the wheels fall off. I didn't know at the time and by the time oil and coolant started dancing inside the trans it was too late, I change the trans put new radiator and the terra still kicking 8 years later at 197xxxx
2005-2010. Fix after 2011-2015 is fine. By now, it should be replaced because the plastic caps on the radiator would be shot.
@@Mister...H mines 2009!
I came into my Xterra from originally looking at 4Runners, when I realized that I could get all the same capability for legitimately about half the money. Got the nicest late-production Pro-4x with low miles I could find and I absolutely love it, still super reliable and only cost me around 16K US. Any 4Runner for that money would be much older, and probably have twice the mileage.
FINALLY THE XTERRA GETS THE ATTENTION IT DESERVES.
Make sure to change the original radiator or the coolant and trans will have a dance off! 💃🏻
@@leagueofshadows5133 Yep, I got the notorious "pink milkshake" in my old Xterra. Absolutely wrecked the transmission.
@@sm_flys same thing man! I didn't know it at the time and my trans died! Put in a new radiator and a low mileage trans and she still kicking at 197k 6 years later. I bought it with 118k and trans went at 124k
i recently bought a 2005 land cruiser and its fantastic I got it for just under 9k with 190k miles. did the timing belt water pump some accessories and radiator at work (lexus tech) and and besides a leaky axle seal everything works and it drives fantastic. paints a little rough but I love it so much already and I've only had it for maybe a month and a half
I would love to see Doug do a review on the Honda element now. For years iv been commenting and begging him to review one and now I’m hoping that might finally come true. As an owner of one it would make my day. This already did as is.
Nissan XTerra is an absolute tank
Element owner here. I bought mine used about 4 yrs ago and I absolutely LOVE it. I have the pet options in it which I use to ride my boy around and for home depot and grocery runs. I wish I had bought this when it was new I enjoy it that much!
Don't forget the Pro4X version of the Xterra came with rear locker in a capable Dana 44
1:31 i would love to see you review this car
Couldn't agree MORE about the Xterra. Have a 2011 since new! Still great. Easy to fix parts (replaced alternator) added backup camera and apple car play. Great long lasting transmission!!
The element is not undervalued. They're all overpriced while being 50% rust
Very high miles as well....
@@charliejg That too. I forgot to mention
I wouldn't even consider one 😂
Rust happens to every car if you live in the Rust Belt.
@@malibuconv1968 Sure but the Element especially is very prone to rusting. Faster than other cars. Same goes for first gen Honda Fit
We sent our 100 series to Cameroon to live at our other family home. Hasn’t even burped an issue. Just regular maintenance. Love that machine!
“Xterra gives what a 4Runner does…” other than the most important part… RELIABILITY.
You know nothing, I have a 2000 Pathfinder R50, same engine, same trans, 260k miles, still turns on, VG33, very reliable engine, shared with the Xterra, the only issue with the Xterra is the Radiator.
Xterra/Frontier rival 4Runner/Tacoma in reliability. They can easily get 300k+ miles. I know because I wanted 4Runner reliability without the 4Runner price and did months of research.
We bought a new xterra in 2012 and put 120k miles on it with nothing but basic maintenance. Nissan made some bad cars but the xterra is an absolute beast.
The 4.0 v6 is very reliable in the Xterras and the transmissions are usually good in the ones after 2011.
It's the same drivetrain as the D40 frontier, which are known as high mileage trucks. They don't even have toyota frame rot issues... I often wish I had an XT over my frontier, but having a truck on the farm is needed lots lol.
TJs are not undervalued. The price of a TJ is astronomical compared to an XJ that will have the same exact engine plus a better automatic behind that 4.0 with the Aisin AW4
Put some respect on the FJ Cruiser. You're always skipping over it despite its incredible reliability, capability and styling. They've held their value well but they're still a lot of bang for your buck.
2004-2008 Honda Pilot 4WD is a great deal. Have had my 2006 for 5 years, and with the simple addition of all terrain tires, it does great in snow and light/medium duty off-roading. Plus, it’s cheap to buy, fits a ton of stuff in it, has 3 rows of seats and has Honda reliability. If you need something a little bigger than the Element, get one.
doug is inflating the price of so many cars, one day your own car will also become more valuable
Xterras after 05 had one MAJOR issue, the radiator/trans cooler was 1 unit, barrier rotted out and fluids mixed, killed trans.
Seems to be a problem in many 00's cars. Mercedes is also notorious for this in the W211 e-class
Only an issue with automatics. Manuals don't have oil coolers in the radiator. With older 4x4's you want manual anyway. If you have to have an auto, the fix is just a radiator swap. The fact that this issue is so feared might be a big reason why these are still so undervalued.
@coffeeandlifting valid point, but still a massive concern for the autos. Nissan did state cover the radiator for a while, but last I knew they didn't acknowledge trans failure as a byproduct so you were left on your own for that. I don't know if that changed after so many of these had the problem, but I remember when it happened to me, the trans was a 4 month national backorder. I am sure any potential coverage is long gone for trucks that age so you would be on your own for whatever happened anyways at this point. With potential for an issue that could be as widespread as that, is it really undervaluing the truck or is it just covering yourself for a very possible and expensive gotcha?
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Element owner since 2007 here. You CANT hose them out- no drainage holes. Post 05 had updated wiring insulation from this myth but still can cause damage. Not the best weight bias for traction off road but it’s super practical and useful. I love mine! Also has a dedicated following that has inflated prices even before any overlanding recommendation.
I've always seen them as like a Mico-van over a offroader. I'd love one for my spouse, but prices on them here are crazy.
Element owner here. Most usable vehicle I've ever owned. Had it for years after getting rid of my Accord Wagon. Will keep it until it won't go anymore.
Everything he says about the 80 series LC, but the one I sold to a buddy he just sold with 370k miles and there was never any engine repairs beyond scheduled maintenance. The thing was just solid.
Amazingly he didnt mention the first generation mercedes ML. By far the best bang for the buck. $4k buys you the cleanest example and lifting it is insanely cheap and easy.
Picked up a 70k mile 01 ML55 AMG for 7k. Will comfortably fit 32” A/T’s without a lift and easily clears a 5000 mile round trip including plenty of 4 star off-road trails
Odd question: how much is the car insurance on it? Also anything to replace immediately so it won’t break on you while driving?
@@justSTUMBLEDupon they are old, so many need new shocks anyways, good excuse to upgrade. Here are really no major mechanical issues to worry about as the m113 v8 and the m112 v6 in these are bulletproof, along with the 5 speed auto that comes in them. Some dumb little things may stop working like the headlight washers, but I just leave them unfixed because I could care less. 40k miles later and only normal maintenance & she still runs like a top.
@justSTUMBLEDupon a lot of them are "mechanically totalled" because the ABS ESP ETS lights in the dash are on. The dealer will diagnose a whole new ABS pump system for $4k. But it's often a $20 fix with a little research. I bought an ML55 for a song because of this and it was the $5 brushes in the ABS pump motor being worn out. A few deferred maintenance items fixed and I'm in the thing with $2k in repairs and it's solid. I take it off road and have a blast but also wash it off and drive it to work in a suit. I love the thing way more than I expected. In retrospect the AMG is a waste of money because it's barely faster. I should have just bought the cleanest ML320/ML350/ML500 I could find.
@@Brayton-vt7dpI have heard about these but always figured they would be unreliable & would rather have the Cayenne. Glad I read this comment
The most overlooked off roader is the 2013-2017 Ford Escape. It has true 4WD, with a center locking differential. The 1.5 and the 2.0 (not so much the 1.6) engines are reliable. The 6 speed tranny is solid.
Put off road tires on it, or go to the next level and lift it a couple inches, you've a surprising off road vehicle. The only thing it's missing is a low gear.
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Cateful of 05-10 auto xterras. The radiatiors can leak into the trans cooler. Theres a recall but if it wasnt caught in time the trans is toast. Thats why 11-15s and manuals are more expensive.
i am so suprised that there wasnt the ford svt raptor on this list. you can buy one with mid 100k miles for 15-20k and its a 6.2L v8
My k24a2 swapped awd 5spd manual element just increased in value. Thanks Doug!
He managed to get heinous into the video
his new favourite word ngl
Owner of a 07 Nissan Xterra since 2010. Love it still to this day even though it is no longer my daily driver and is exclusively my adventure vehicle
The element was actually pretty smooth of dirt roads at moderate speeds, particularly when loaded with gear. The suspension was designed for it and it was a rougher ride on pavement with no load.
Did Doug unironically say that the GX460 is undervalued? My dude, have you seen the prices? I bought a 2004 v8 4Runner for $9k with 200k miles from a dude who rust protected the frame, upgraded the suspension, replaced the brakes and lower control arms, swapped the CD player for a pioneer unit with CarPlay and Android Auto, and added an ARB grill. The GX470s of similar age were going for >$10k with none of those things and the GX460s were going for nearly double that. You can buy a 2017 Tacoma in decent shape for that price. That isn't affordable, given all of the additional work you'll have to do to get them off-road worthy
I'm glad TJs are mentioned on this list. Even though they are certainly going up in value, what you can do with a near stock TJ is pretty incredible. Love mine even as a daily.
Hummer H3 with all offroad adventure packages. You can get a adventure package H3 w/i5 engine for next to nothing, the adventure package came with lockers, I believe there are 3 options for them. Some people say get the H3 Alpha (which came with the 5.3 V8) but never mention the adventure packages. A V8 adventure package is ridiculously rare whereas a i5 with all adventure packages is cheaper than a base model alpha.
THE ELEMENT!!! Every time I see one these I’m reminded how much I want one. So affordable and so practical.
you should, you can fit a medium sized fridge in that thang
@@therealmudafuka7200I heard a large medium fridge
To avoid the xterra trans problems the 6 speed manual is the sweet spot. Throw in the off-road trim and u got a locker and a hell of a capable vehicle
I think another overlooked suv is the gmt800 gm suvs (tahoes and Yukons). Very reliable, surprisingly well equipped on the interior and with a z71 package they can be quite capable. Plus there’s a million of them.
Love my TJ Wrangler. Was the first car I bought and paid for 100% myself as a young man. Daily drove it through college where the Michigan winters tried to kill it. Awful daily driver, but now I'm swapping the tub on it and giving it the love it deserves. Amazing vehicle.
The Honda was so cool
W163 Mercedes ML. It’s a body on frame design, essentially a truck. They are priced much lower than anything you listed. They are also reliable and durable vehicles too. Many of them have over 200k miles with basic maintenance.
Thought the Volvo XC70 would make this list.
People always forget about the Volvos. The jack of all trades but master of none. I had an XC70 with a lift kit and BFG AT performed way better than anyone would expect. Now I have an XC60 T6
Center locking center diif; rear lockers; front lockers; low range; lifted on 33s. 2008 Land Cruisers are $30,000, LX 570s same. My 2006 Touareg with air suspension. A-Trac on 200 series is complicated.
Xterra prices have remained steady for a few years now. They aren't going up in price but aren't fading either. It's partly because there is no new version for people to buy.
What about the Third generation (XA30) Toyota RAV4. V6, Diff Lock(ish) button, Hill Assist button and great visibility
The AWD manual version of the Element is a bit of a unicorn.🦄 Got my ‘03 last year and shipped it to where the roads are rough where I live. Couldn’t be happier!🚙
The Xterra might be the best bargain in the world if you want a semi-modern true 4x4 suv with a manual transmission that doesn’t cost an arm and a leg like the new Broncos
I had an 02 Xterra that I eventually traded in for my current 14. I would buy another if they hadn't discontinued it.
Every time I take it to the dealer for service I get the full court press to sell it to them. I think there's a lot of desire out there for a good condition one, which mine is.
I'm going to drive it till it dies 😊
I’ve got a 2006 LX470 and I love it ! Picked one up a few weeks ago.
As much as I love the Honda Element, the gas tank location prevents it from ever being a off road vehicle.
It was always a dirt road/poorly maintained dirt road car. Never offroad.
but you can fit a medium sized fridge in that thang
Having an Element and a Land Cruiser on the same list is crazy
What no one seems to mention ever when talking about the 100 series is the fuel. Have two of them, it eats as much gas as a fully loaded rv. It’s insane the amount of fuel these things go through.
As an owner of the same element pictured in your thumbnail- an element is not an off roader. I love it to death. I have a 5mt if you would like to review it next time you are in denver.
The old Jeeps are amazing, but they are getting hard to find without a lot of rust. When a clean low mileage one pops up, expect to spend over 15k.
I'd be curious how hobbyist mechanic it the process of swapping the steel tub for an aftermarket fibreglass one.
Seems like a reasonable thing to do, given how relatively low-tech TJs are
@@NSUGS Both the tub and the frame rust. The tub likes to rust over the front wheels and on the three front mounting bolts, and the frame likes to rust just behind the rear lower control arm mounts.
No 20 year old honda should be $15k
And yet… that’s what they’re worth.
Because..? You feel that way? If you have a 2004 s2000 for sale for $15k, I’ll take it off your hands since you believe it’s in your best interest.
You’re right, quality and craftsmanship usually is worth more than $15k
Nice work Doug! Right on!!