The only critique I can give to Cameron's film, which is not the fault of Cameron himself, is how most of the public focuses on Jack and Rose rather than the actual story of the ship and the real people. Sure, alot of current Titanic enthusiasts, myself included, got our starting interest with the 1997 movie, but say the word "Titanic" to the average person, they would respond with Jack and Rose most of the time. I feel like we need a modern day Night to Remember type movie to over shadow the 97 movie and give more light to the true stories.
That's kind of the point, 1200 is a difficult number to properly comprehend... so the film gives you Jack and Rose, it makes you fall in love with them and then it rips them apart - so you can comprehend a little bit the true gravity of the sinking of Titanic. Because the people who died that night were loved and their loved ones lives were changed forever. The film gives you a small taste of that and in doing so makes the tragedy a little easier to comprehend. Jack and Rose are basically placeholders for every real life person on Titanic that night, only a few of whom had a hero to protect them. In this regard the movie achieves something that no other Titanic does, because it forces you to see the aftermath. It doesn't end with the stern slipping below the waves as so many other Titanic movies do. I've seen the Titanic movie of the 1950s and A Night To Remember, as wonderful as they are to watch I think that in some ways they do the event a disservice.
Wouldn`t disagree with that but I don`t think Cameron wanted a re-run of ANTR, hence signing up a couple of celebs to play the parts of two people who weren`t even on the ship. Statistically it is said that those two dictated about 70% of the running time and you are right, mention Titanic and you get Jack and Rose. I don`t think we will be getting any more Titanic films, at least not for a long time yet, in view of the current uncertainties over the actual story. Moviewise it`s currently a non-subject.
That's because modern day historians have made no effort to highlight all the incredible factual information contained within the film based directly on eyewitness accounts. There is a TT channel called TitanicTX that I have enjoyed watching who will overlay recorded audio from survivors with scenes from the film, but they are one of the few that do this. Furthermore, historians fail to understand that not everyone is interested in history so they can't see what James Cameron did in order to avoid the film making mistakes made by A Night to Remember, which led to its lack of success. Walter Lord, who was James Cameron's guest of honor at the London premier, understood why the story of Jack and Rose were included in the film. Additionally, no studio is going to invest in a remake of A Night to Remember. It was a box office failure with some saying it didn't even recoup the cost of production with others saying it broke even. James Cameron made a film for everyone. Walter Lord enjoyed the film and even Robert Ballard who discovered this wreck enjoyed it. All Titanic films before and since James Cameron's film have been failures. The 2012 miniseries couldn't even hold an audience. What would be entertaining to die hard academics would bore about 98% of the rest of the population and that has to be taken into account when asking a studio for money because the proven odds are that it would lose a substantial amount of money.
The OP is right in saying we need a furthur film to clarify the real story but that is not likely to happen for a variety of reasons. There was an approach from someone in Hollywood about a film based on John Hamer`s book Olympic, but not surprisingly that came to nothing. Would quite agree that the vast majority of people have no interest in Titanic whatsoever, just to them a shipping disaster that occurred early 20C if they know about it at all, so why anyone would want to make a film about it is hard to imagine.
@@goawayleavemealone2880 The one thing I personally don't like about Camerons titanic is its unrealistic portrayal of how cold the sea water was rhag night. For example you'll see Rose and Jack constantly walking through the water neck deep, under the water.. knee deep.. you name it yet they barely give any reaction to it for the rest of the movie. You would think they would at least be shivering on deck since they will be soaking wet in the ice cold air but there's just no sign of it
19:10 fun fact: that “staircase” is a miniature that hung from the ceiling very close to the camera. The rest of the room is a full scale room from another ship, and they used forced perspective to blend both rooms together.
One thing to note about 1953’s titanic is that a few survivors went to see the movie and one said something similar to: “This is a very accurate reenactment of that night. I was there, I saw it, and this is how it happened”
The problem is that it's hard to tell how general survivors are being when they talk about how accurate certain movies are. Like, the 1953 movie gets the gist of it right, but then there's a lot of nitty gritty details that even survivors might be hard pressed to remember some 40 years later.
@@TechnologicallyTechnical true, true. They interviewed at least 60 survivors for that movie and yet I still feel like the sinking of the titanic: you are there (1955) is more accurate.
The master negative of Saved from the Titanic was lost in a fire but many print copies of Eclair films produced before the fire, including Saved from the Titanic, were shown in theaters well after 1914. It is possible the film may be discovered in an archive somewhere.
So cool you pointed out Bernard Fox from A Night To Remember in James Cameron's film. David Warner from SOS Titanic also played as Cal's assistant, Lovejoy. As a Titanic enthusiast himself, James Cameron was really trying to bring the community together back then and wanted everyone included. From Bob Ballard (whose friendship with Cameron continues to this day) to Walter Lord (who was Cameron's guest of honor opening night in London). Not only did he hire Ken Marschall and Don Lynch as advisors during filming but allowed Titanic enthusiasts to come down and tour the film set before it was destroyed as well as serve as extras during filming. As a fan, I'm so grateful that Cameron didn't cut corners. I'm still intrigued to this day at small details included in the film. Moments that I would totally take for granted not realizing they had come from an eyewitness account.
Very interesting observation! Been hoping myself that if they make a movie or miniseries based on Lightoller's life story (if you haven't heard of it, please look it up, it's insane), they cast Johnathan Phillips, who depicted him in Cameron's film, to play him again for the Dunkirk rescue segment.
There is a brief flashback of the Titanic in the Britannic film, where Vera Campbell survived the Titanic sinking. It's kind of implied that her character was inspired by the real life survior Violet Jessop, who survived both the Titanic and Britannic sinking as well as being onboard the Olympic when the HMS Hawke collided with her.
16:20 I do agree Thomas Andrews is maybe a bit too unhurried but I do love Laurence Naismith's portrayal of Captain Smith in the same scene; the stunned disbelief, shock and struggle to retain composure are all very nicely done.
23:51 Elizabeth Lines didn’t just hear Ismay and Smith discussing Titanic’s performance. She clearly heard Ismay impressing on the captain the fact he wanted titanic to get into New York on Tuesday night rather than Wednesday morning . It’s also corroborated by other survivors of the disaster, Emily Ryerson had a discussion with Ismay on Sunday evening where he told her that during Monday they were gonna light up the last boilers and see just how fast the ship could go, also telling her that they were planning on getting into New York on Tuesday night . Because of that conversation with Ismay, Ryerson had an in depth discussion with her husband about what they were gonna do since they didn’t have their hotel room in NYC booked until Wednesday. Ismay was definitely influencing the captain to beat the time on olympics maiden voyage, however it’s kind of irrelevant, since they never ended up increasing the speed of titanic ie: adding the last four boilers, since they had that planned on Monday afternoon, and the ship was already on the bottom of the ocean at that time and captain smith along with 1500 people were dead .
Ismay was informed that Titanic could go faster, considering she got the 3 bladed center propeller and her wing propeller pitches were increased. That's probably why he was planning for the speed test.
Yeah the important thing that is missed about the 'full speed' claims is that they weren't planning on doing it until the next day, after passing through the ice field.
The James Cameron film doesn’t feature the Café Parisien, it features the verandah cafe. However, the 1979 film “S.O.S. Titanic” features it extensively, albeit with an anachronistic dance floor.
Well then. I was aware of a good lot of these films, but never quite knew the history or plots of some of them, this was needlessly to say an interesting video, and you’ve definitely put a lot of effort into it. Nice job.
I met Billy Zane and asked him about his characterisation of Cal. He said two things that I remember when watching the film now; he’s a product of his time and upbringing, also his biggest concern is about Rose (or rather the diamond in her pocket) and it doesn’t once cross his mind that he will not get off the ship. I have to say that second part of his explanation made the end where Rose kept the diamond from him by hiding all the more delicious.
James Cameron did allot of research and even dived down into the wreckage several times to make his movie as accurate as possible. Unlike in the movie, not all the gates were closed/locked in third class. Of course, since 1997, new information has been learned about the Titanic.
I learned about Titanic by watching A Night to Remember on television in the 60's. The only other movies I have seen (aside from James Cameron's) were the 1943 Nazi propaganda film, which I am lucky enough to have in my movie collection, and Raise the Titanic which I would likely not add to my collection (although you are correct, the final images of the ship are jaw dropping (although still not as stunningly beautiful as the depiction of The Hindenberg, from the film of the same name, released 5 years earlier at the end of the disaster movie craze.) I've seen demos of Hope & Glory, and will be downloading Adventure out of Time from STEAM over the next couple of days thanks to your heads-up. My mother once told me that I had relatives perish on the Lusitania. My mother was known for tall tales, so not sure if it was true, but it did build a fascination for me for marine disasters that have carried through to adulthood. I once stood a few feet from the propeller blade of a passenger ship in drydock...I found it absolutely terrifying thinking of those who had also had that view, without the security of standing on land. Excellent retrospective. Kudos.
I thought it did, having seen it at the time, 1958 was much closer to the event, and at that time it was probably still thought the wreck would never be found. There must have been some motive for writing the book and making the film.
The 1997 film was the first Titanic film I ever saw and it's one of the top three films about Titanic. Number 1: A Night to Remember, Number 2: Titanic 1997, and Number 3: Titanic (1943).
We must still give the 1943 Nazi version its due for being a “prototype” of the modern Titanic films. Portraying Bruce Ismay as the villain, using the disaster as a backdrop for a soap opera, multiple subplots, speed record myth, etc. the 1996, 1997, and 2012 versions borrowed many elements from this film and in some ways it’s more accurate than the 1953 Hollywood version.
5:20 Funnily enough, recent research seems to suggest that Smith jumped overboard before eventually succumbing to the temperatures, making the broadly accurate silent film the most accurate depiction of Smith’s final fate if true.
Cameron,didn't have to just apologise for the way Murdoch got dipicted, it cost Fox a fair amount of change thanks to a court case. I remember the story on the evening news here in the UK. They were not at all happy. I live on the south coast near Southampton, and Titanic's dock is still in use.
Great video just one thing I can contribute. The cafe Parisien was depicted heavily in Night and ice but not in Jame’s Cameron’s film. Cameron’s depicted the Veranda Cafe . However SOS Titanic depicted the Parisien but in a very out of proportion way. They are all listening to the band and dacing in a large room where the Parisien was actually quite small. Night and ice is more accurate on the rooms depiction by far.
Personally, i would love to see a film adaptation of "A Brilliant Night of Stars and Ice." The fact the main focus of the book is on Carpathia rather than Titanic would make for a more interesting film IMO.
Cameron's Titanic and A Night to Remember are the two films I've seen. Cameron's effort was very impressive, even if the fictional romance took away a bit of the reality. A Night to Remember is more faithful to what happened that night, and is without doubt the better film. Both films are a must watch, but you get a far broader picture of what's going on in ANTR. Titanic's communication with nearby ships was integral to the story, and ANTR covered that aspect really well - while Cameron's version mainly ignored it.
An officer shooting two passengers before killing himself during the attempted loading of boat “A” on the starboard side was recounted too many times to be completely false . A shooting did happen, it’s just not known who the officer was . I don’t believe it was Murdoch since we have accounts of his final moments by trusted sources . I think Wilde is the much more likely suspect, since he was apparently strangely withdrawn that night and somewhat of an enigma compared to Murdoch who was mentioned a lot more times in testimonial accounts .
Personally agree with A Night to Remember chosing Lightoller over Murdoch as the protagonist because I think it makes better sense to me to have the protagonist survive.
well presented and factually correct in the main which makes a change so much mis information out there, thanks Must admit I loved Cameron's film a mix of the real events and popular I think because of the inclusion of the Rose & Jack love story which added extra appeal to those not big into the Titanic per se
The Late and might I say great Actor David Warner was also in Three Titanic adaptations. He played Lawrence Beesley in 1979 SOS Titanic, 1991 Titanic and as Spicer Lovejoy ( the bodyguard) in 1997 Titanic. He was one of those character actors who had a prolific career and seemed to be constantly working and was in so many well known films, but not many people knew his name. Google his name & look at his filmography , you'll be surprised what he'd been in.
You mentioned that In Night and Ice was the only Titanic movie to feature the Parisian Cafe. Didn't SOS Titanic feature it as well? SOS Titanic is the one that was made before Raise the Titanic and reused bits of A Night to Remember. Also, you said that the Raise the Titanic model "is maybe the most accurate Titanic model seen in film". What about the 1997 filming model? Didn't a bunch more historians including Ken work on it too?
Ken worked on "Raise The TITANIC", too. I remember asking him in the '80's why the model had the SECOND funnel missing, rather than the FIRST. He told me that he had been very unhappy with that, but the bosses had overruled him, feeling that having the 2nd funnel missing would look more "dramatic" and "cool" than the first. In other words, he was a 'consultant' on RTT, but the producers could, and did, disregard him whenever they saw fit.
some people (t e e n a g e r s) cry in titanic because jack died. i cry because an entire ship that barely lasted 1 week on service already sunk wrecked and we cannot bring it back
And Jack is a fictional character as opposed to the 1500 real people that died. They are not Box Office, we are now hearing ANTR was not a success as they attempted to do an accurate representation of the event based on the information available at the time (1958). Nice one Cameron!!
I’m a teenager & i find it sad for both reasons. To me, Jack is a representation of all of the people who died that night, & that makes his death a representation of the tragedy itself & a way James Cameron makes us sympathize with the actual disaster through his fictional story. As for the historical aspect, i find it absolutely heartbreaking that such a grand ship had such a painstakingly short career when she deserved so much more. You don’t have to mock teenagers just to get across the point that it’s sad that her career was so short lived.
I did find it odd that you didn’t mention the 2012 series Titanic: Blood and Steel. Although I pretty much share the same opinions as you do on everything else
+Saint I only analyzed the theatrically released films about Titanic, otherwise the project probably would've spiraled out of control. I only briefly mentioned S.O.S Titanic and the 1996 miniseries because they were relevant to the movie/s coming out around the same time.
@@TechnologicallyTechnical That makes sense lol. I just thought that it would be worth a mention. You seen the Lusitania movie? Worth a watch if you’re interested
Titanic: Blood and Steel (2012), unlike all the other films you discussed, focuses on the building of the ship rather than its sinking. But it's fairly monumental in that it's a 12-part miniseries. Maybe it deserves a little mention just for that. There's also Julian Fellowes' 4-part miniseries *Titanic,* also made in 2012. Fellowes, of course, is the guy who wrote *Downton Abbey,* which also referenced the Titanic disaster as its inciting event.
I have seen A night to remember (1958) and Titanic (1997) and was blind to see that Bernard Fox was in both of them. Not so long ago I found out that David Warner who played Spicer Lovejoy in Titanic (1997) was also in S.O.S Titanic (1979).
Interestingly enough, Titanic (1943) was used as Anti-Capitalist propaganda after WWII ended. It was dubbed into Russian and shown regularly in the Eastern Bloc countries.
The video forgot about this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_(2012_TV_series) Also Titanic Honor and Glory would be nice, if they ever complete the thing, but it seems to be taking forever. I think the crazy horse monument, the Game of Thrones books and Sagrada Família will all be completely before this thing.
18:58 Listen I Know the sets. Were completely different back then. People didn't know what they actually look like back then even though there was the photographs of the set. Maybe people had lower budgets, so they couldn't really build the sets perfectly, right
While Murdoch might not have shot himself or even other passengers, a letter from a passenger was made public around the same time as the release of the film which stated that passengers were being shot for trying to crowd into the lifeboats. This of course is also depicted in the 1943 version. As a side note Titanic also appeared in the PC & Wii game "Titanic: Secrets Of The Fateful Voyage" & also in one of the zombie modes for "Call Of Duty: Black Ops 4". I uploaded a video touring the ship from this mode if anyone's interested.
Another inaccuracy you left out in A Night to Remember was the launch scene at the beginning, with the breaking of the campaign was not a white star line tradition. You could have noted that the 1996 mini series was full of historical inaccuracy and you left out the 2012 mini series. But I guess your video focuses on theatercal film about the Titanic
Despite eyewitness testimonies that Titanic broke in two pieces when she sank, the inquirer ruled she sank in one piece, so all the movies made before her wreckage was found in 1985 show her sinking in one piece
A Night to Remember is still, for me, one of the best depictions of the event. Yes, it had a host of characters, but I found Cameron's a bit top heavy with the Jack and Rose story. When I watch Cameron's version, I often skip a lot of the first part of the movie.
Would go along with that 100%, but whatever you say about Cameron, he is a film maker not a historian, so he knows what will be a box office hit and what won`t be, hence the Jack and Rose as someone has correctly pointed out. Statistically around 70% of running time was given to those two, so I can well understand skipping much of the first part. I couldn`t do that but spent much of the film thinking "get on with the story, never mind those two". Apparently ANTR was not a box office success which surprised me.
A lot of the first half of the movie is an attempt to show the ship as a happy place before the actual disaster... Cameron went to great lengths not to foreshadow anything even though we all know the reality of what happened.
I didn`t study the thing that closely but can understand that Cameron would have made sure he got that bit right, but the reality was all that stuff about not even god could sink the thing, it was a brand new ship, maiden voyage, why would they even be talking in those terms? It may have been in response to rumours around Southampton that all was not well with the ship, then there was the question of certain people cancelling their passage, and even at Queenstown two people made a quick exit. A movie is one thing but the reality does not always match.
It's not like the Jack and Rose story is extraneous. It's actually carefully crafted so the star-crossed lovers have good reasons to visit every part of the ship, to maximize the audience's understanding of what was going on everywhere.
10:08 Oh! You haven't seen nothing yet. There's an Italian Animated Titanic film (NOT the one with the rapping dog, that one at least tried to be accurate.) that claims that nobody died and was saved by a giant and terrifying octopus with a dog's face, and that they all just ended up at Atlantis (Or "Atlantide".) and would later turn up at Neverland from the first star on the right, straight until morning. I wouldn't make this stuff up if I was on cocaine.
Actually, I don't think Murdoch accepted the bride from Cal (unlike in Cameron's initial draft, which he later changed after someone told him how bad of a representation that was to the real Murdoch). In the final film, Murdoch just had a look of shock on his face after Cal handed him the cash and later, just before he shoots two 3rd Class passengers (including Tommy Ryan accidentally) and then himself, he disgustingly threw the cash at Cal's face.
There are plenty of bars aboard the ship. Just pull up your Titanic Demo 401 deckplan. There's a bar for every smoke room and in the Third class general room
I saw an interview from a survivor who said she heard another survivor say she saw captain smith swim up to a lifeboat with another famous person and they offered to pull him in and he shook his head and went under.
@@aj6954 I'll rephrase. I saw an interview with a real life survivor. That survivor said she heard with her own ears a person say they saw with their own eyes the captain swim up to the boat and refuse to be let in. There is no likely or not likely about it. I saw the video. Are you mentioning the likelyhood of MY telling the truth?
@@kylepoundsvlogs2455 No question of doubting you, I`ve heard that story more than once with the slight difference that he could not gain entry as there was no room in the boat. What I said was no-one is likely to say they actually saw him get into a boat, as there is an American report which suggests he did just that. This goes against the official narrative and maybe is the problem with doing research, you never know what you are likely to find. It`s the same with Family History.
@@aj6954 I heard a survivor say they heard someone say they saw him swim to a boat with Straus who died also, and they wanted to pull him in and he shook his head and went under. I searched all day for the interview but couldn't find it. It was a woman.
@@kylepoundsvlogs2455 There are so many stories and variations over what happened with Smith, some say he never left the ship but it does seem he took a dive off the Bridge at some stage. But when they say "he went down with the ship", that could literally mean either he was on it at the time it sank or close to it. I didn`t think from recollection that Strauss actually left the ship, the version I read said it was Andrews with him when they approached a boat. However, you raise a good point when you say he turned down the chance of a boat as opposed to being turned away as the boat was full, which was what I read, it seems a minor point but it could make a big difference. He will remain an enigma, disappeared, body never found, presumed drowned being the official verdict.
Hey Matt the Atlantic grand staircase giving me imperator/berengeria and fun fact majestic use to be with imperator class and imperator is the first male liner
Is that the one where a Titanic officer told a 1st Class passenger that the Californian was coming round to pick them up? There`s nothing like a good giveaway.
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Jurassic Park made just under a billion dollars during its initial run in theaters. Perhaps the 2013 re-release bumped its box office total to over a billion?
Why not talk about Julian Fellows mini series version from 2012 or even The Lusitania BBC movie from 2007? Anyway I am writing my own Titanic Story about these two ten year old cousins who sailed on the Titanic and Survived the nightmare of the shipwreck with their own courage and witts and their broken friendship but with great cost obviously meaning their families 👪 from their parents and older siblings ❤️ did not survive and the sinking of the Titanic brings the two cousins relationship more 👪 closer and helps them reconcile and everyone who had actually sailed on The Titanic plays a part in their story from Captain Smith Bruce Ismay Thomas Andrews Benjamin Gutinhiem and his Italian butler and his mistress and John Jacob Aster and Maddlin Aster Mr and Miss Strous and Wallace Hartley and the rest of the band even Molly Brown and Officer Murdoch and Lightoller and Moody and Wild and even Jack Phillips and Harold Mbride. I do have some conflicts with the story from Murdoch because I was also planning to have him do the same thing that he did in the movie where he committed suicide after shooting someone else but unlike the movie plays a part and serves a perpes in the cousins story but that was before I found out that James Cameron version offended Murdoch descendents and as Fir Ismay I am not sure what to do.
The only critique I can give to Cameron's film, which is not the fault of Cameron himself, is how most of the public focuses on Jack and Rose rather than the actual story of the ship and the real people. Sure, alot of current Titanic enthusiasts, myself included, got our starting interest with the 1997 movie, but say the word "Titanic" to the average person, they would respond with Jack and Rose most of the time. I feel like we need a modern day Night to Remember type movie to over shadow the 97 movie and give more light to the true stories.
That's kind of the point, 1200 is a difficult number to properly comprehend... so the film gives you Jack and Rose, it makes you fall in love with them and then it rips them apart - so you can comprehend a little bit the true gravity of the sinking of Titanic. Because the people who died that night were loved and their loved ones lives were changed forever.
The film gives you a small taste of that and in doing so makes the tragedy a little easier to comprehend. Jack and Rose are basically placeholders for every real life person on Titanic that night, only a few of whom had a hero to protect them.
In this regard the movie achieves something that no other Titanic does, because it forces you to see the aftermath. It doesn't end with the stern slipping below the waves as so many other Titanic movies do.
I've seen the Titanic movie of the 1950s and A Night To Remember, as wonderful as they are to watch I think that in some ways they do the event a disservice.
Wouldn`t disagree with that but I don`t think Cameron wanted a re-run of ANTR, hence signing up a couple of celebs to play the parts of two people who weren`t even on the ship. Statistically it is said that those two dictated about 70% of the running time and you are right, mention Titanic and you get Jack and Rose. I don`t think we will be getting any more Titanic films, at least not for a long time yet, in view of the current uncertainties over the actual story. Moviewise it`s currently a non-subject.
That's because modern day historians have made no effort to highlight all the incredible factual information contained within the film based directly on eyewitness accounts. There is a TT channel called TitanicTX that I have enjoyed watching who will overlay recorded audio from survivors with scenes from the film, but they are one of the few that do this. Furthermore, historians fail to understand that not everyone is interested in history so they can't see what James Cameron did in order to avoid the film making mistakes made by A Night to Remember, which led to its lack of success. Walter Lord, who was James Cameron's guest of honor at the London premier, understood why the story of Jack and Rose were included in the film. Additionally, no studio is going to invest in a remake of A Night to Remember. It was a box office failure with some saying it didn't even recoup the cost of production with others saying it broke even. James Cameron made a film for everyone. Walter Lord enjoyed the film and even Robert Ballard who discovered this wreck enjoyed it. All Titanic films before and since James Cameron's film have been failures. The 2012 miniseries couldn't even hold an audience. What would be entertaining to die hard academics would bore about 98% of the rest of the population and that has to be taken into account when asking a studio for money because the proven odds are that it would lose a substantial amount of money.
The OP is right in saying we need a furthur film to clarify the real story but that is not likely to happen for a variety of reasons. There was an approach from someone in Hollywood about a film based on John Hamer`s book Olympic, but not surprisingly that came to nothing. Would quite agree that the vast majority of people have no interest in Titanic whatsoever, just to them a shipping disaster that occurred early 20C if they know about it at all, so why anyone would want to make a film about it is hard to imagine.
@@goawayleavemealone2880 The one thing I personally don't like about Camerons titanic is its unrealistic portrayal of how cold the sea water was rhag night. For example you'll see Rose and Jack constantly walking through the water neck deep, under the water.. knee deep.. you name it yet they barely give any reaction to it for the rest of the movie. You would think they would at least be shivering on deck since they will be soaking wet in the ice cold air but there's just no sign of it
19:10 fun fact: that “staircase” is a miniature that hung from the ceiling very close to the camera. The rest of the room is a full scale room from another ship, and they used forced perspective to blend both rooms together.
Yes, the actual room was filmed in the dining saloon aboard the derelict SS Santa Rosa/Athinai.
@@giovannirastrelli9821 how did you know it was the dining room?
@@AndyHappyGuy Just Google the photos.
One thing to note about 1953’s titanic is that a few survivors went to see the movie and one said something similar to: “This is a very accurate reenactment of that night. I was there, I saw it, and this is how it happened”
The problem is that it's hard to tell how general survivors are being when they talk about how accurate certain movies are.
Like, the 1953 movie gets the gist of it right, but then there's a lot of nitty gritty details that even survivors might be hard pressed to remember some 40 years later.
@@TechnologicallyTechnical true, true. They interviewed at least 60 survivors for that movie and yet I still feel like the sinking of the titanic: you are there (1955) is more accurate.
The master negative of Saved from the Titanic was lost in a fire but many print copies of Eclair films produced before the fire, including Saved from the Titanic, were shown in theaters well after 1914. It is possible the film may be discovered in an archive somewhere.
Interesting how Titanic was box office poison and then the 1997 movie was not only successful, but the highest grossing film up until that point.
all I ask is that other ships have a chance but that wont happen
So cool you pointed out Bernard Fox from A Night To Remember in James Cameron's film. David Warner from SOS Titanic also played as Cal's assistant, Lovejoy. As a Titanic enthusiast himself, James Cameron was really trying to bring the community together back then and wanted everyone included. From Bob Ballard (whose friendship with Cameron continues to this day) to Walter Lord (who was Cameron's guest of honor opening night in London). Not only did he hire Ken Marschall and Don Lynch as advisors during filming but allowed Titanic enthusiasts to come down and tour the film set before it was destroyed as well as serve as extras during filming. As a fan, I'm so grateful that Cameron didn't cut corners. I'm still intrigued to this day at small details included in the film. Moments that I would totally take for granted not realizing they had come from an eyewitness account.
Are you the same one on TT? If so, I just mentioned you in a comment hehe. Learned a lot from your videos
Very interesting observation!
Been hoping myself that if they make a movie or miniseries based on Lightoller's life story (if you haven't heard of it, please look it up, it's insane), they cast Johnathan Phillips, who depicted him in Cameron's film, to play him again for the Dunkirk rescue segment.
Great video! Titanic films on a whole are a part of Titanic that I’ve seen almost nobody cover. Glad to see a video like this!
There is a brief flashback of the Titanic in the Britannic film, where Vera Campbell survived the Titanic sinking. It's kind of implied that her character was inspired by the real life survior Violet Jessop, who survived both the Titanic and Britannic sinking as well as being onboard the Olympic when the HMS Hawke collided with her.
16:20 I do agree Thomas Andrews is maybe a bit too unhurried but I do love Laurence Naismith's portrayal of Captain Smith in the same scene; the stunned disbelief, shock and struggle to retain composure are all very nicely done.
Actually there were 3 titanic movies made in 1912. The second ever titanic film was called “La Hantise”
23:51 Elizabeth Lines didn’t just hear Ismay and Smith discussing Titanic’s performance. She clearly heard Ismay impressing on the captain the fact he wanted titanic to get into New York on Tuesday night rather than Wednesday morning . It’s also corroborated by other survivors of the disaster, Emily Ryerson had a discussion with Ismay on Sunday evening where he told her that during Monday they were gonna light up the last boilers and see just how fast the ship could go, also telling her that they were planning on getting into New York on Tuesday night . Because of that conversation with Ismay, Ryerson had an in depth discussion with her husband about what they were gonna do since they didn’t have their hotel room in NYC booked until Wednesday. Ismay was definitely influencing the captain to beat the time on olympics maiden voyage, however it’s kind of irrelevant, since they never ended up increasing the speed of titanic ie: adding the last four boilers, since they had that planned on Monday afternoon, and the ship was already on the bottom of the ocean at that time and captain smith along with 1500 people were dead .
Ismay was informed that Titanic could go faster, considering she got the 3 bladed center propeller and her wing propeller pitches were increased. That's probably why he was planning for the speed test.
Yeah the important thing that is missed about the 'full speed' claims is that they weren't planning on doing it until the next day, after passing through the ice field.
The James Cameron film doesn’t feature the Café Parisien, it features the verandah cafe. However, the 1979 film “S.O.S. Titanic” features it extensively, albeit with an anachronistic dance floor.
Well then. I was aware of a good lot of these films, but never quite knew the history or plots of some of them, this was needlessly to say an interesting video, and you’ve definitely put a lot of effort into it. Nice job.
I met Billy Zane and asked him about his characterisation of Cal. He said two things that I remember when watching the film now; he’s a product of his time and upbringing, also his biggest concern is about Rose (or rather the diamond in her pocket) and it doesn’t once cross his mind that he will not get off the ship. I have to say that second part of his explanation made the end where Rose kept the diamond from him by hiding all the more delicious.
I wonder how many people don't know that your background music is from one of the greatest video games of all time! Great video
Silent hill... ❤️❤️❤️❤️
James Cameron did allot of research and even dived down into the wreckage several times to make his movie as accurate as possible. Unlike in the movie, not all the gates were closed/locked in third class. Of course, since 1997, new information has been learned about the Titanic.
A Night To Remember in my opinion is a fantastic film!
I learned about Titanic by watching A Night to Remember on television in the 60's. The only other movies I have seen (aside from James Cameron's) were the 1943 Nazi propaganda film, which I am lucky enough to have in my movie collection, and Raise the Titanic which I would likely not add to my collection (although you are correct, the final images of the ship are jaw dropping (although still not as stunningly beautiful as the depiction of The Hindenberg, from the film of the same name, released 5 years earlier at the end of the disaster movie craze.)
I've seen demos of Hope & Glory, and will be downloading Adventure out of Time from STEAM over the next couple of days thanks to your heads-up.
My mother once told me that I had relatives perish on the Lusitania. My mother was known for tall tales, so not sure if it was true, but it did build a fascination for me for marine disasters that have carried through to adulthood. I once stood a few feet from the propeller blade of a passenger ship in drydock...I found it absolutely terrifying thinking of those who had also had that view, without the security of standing on land.
Excellent retrospective. Kudos.
The fact that the dude that made a night to remember made the movie out of spite is just funny to me
Idk why it didn't make well in the box office
I thought it did, having seen it at the time, 1958 was much closer to the event, and at that time it was probably still thought the wreck would never be found. There must have been some motive for writing the book and making the film.
The 1997 film was the first Titanic film I ever saw and it's one of the top three films about Titanic. Number 1: A Night to Remember, Number 2: Titanic 1997, and Number 3: Titanic (1943).
We must still give the 1943 Nazi version its due for being a “prototype” of the modern Titanic films. Portraying Bruce Ismay as the villain, using the disaster as a backdrop for a soap opera, multiple subplots, speed record myth, etc. the 1996, 1997, and 2012 versions borrowed many elements from this film and in some ways it’s more accurate than the 1953 Hollywood version.
It's ironic that the people today who claim that Ismay was a villain are unknowingly perpetuating Nazi propaganda.
5:20 Funnily enough, recent research seems to suggest that Smith jumped overboard before eventually succumbing to the temperatures, making the broadly accurate silent film the most accurate depiction of Smith’s final fate if true.
17:37 Fub Fact: In SOS Titanic some of the sinking footage was actually from 1958 A Night to Remember.
13:13 Talk about explosions!
No mention of the superb 2012 period ITV drama Titanic.
For me it is up there with 97 and A Night To Remember.
9:42 - brilliant, did not expect 😂
Cameron,didn't have to just apologise for the way Murdoch got dipicted, it cost Fox a fair amount of change thanks to a court case. I remember the story on the evening news here in the UK. They were not at all happy. I live on the south coast near Southampton, and Titanic's dock is still in use.
Last year I watched 1953 and a night to remember and was amazed how good they were for the time
Great video just one thing I can contribute. The cafe Parisien was depicted heavily in Night and ice but not in Jame’s Cameron’s film. Cameron’s depicted the Veranda Cafe . However SOS Titanic depicted the Parisien but in a very out of proportion way. They are all listening to the band and dacing in a large room where the Parisien was actually quite small. Night and ice is more accurate on the rooms depiction by far.
Personally, i would love to see a film adaptation of "A Brilliant Night of Stars and Ice." The fact the main focus of the book is on Carpathia rather than Titanic would make for a more interesting film IMO.
Cameron's Titanic and A Night to Remember are the two films I've seen. Cameron's effort was very impressive, even if the fictional romance took away a bit of the reality. A Night to Remember is more faithful to what happened that night, and is without doubt the better film. Both films are a must watch, but you get a far broader picture of what's going on in ANTR. Titanic's communication with nearby ships was integral to the story, and ANTR covered that aspect really well - while Cameron's version mainly ignored it.
An officer shooting two passengers before killing himself during the attempted loading of boat “A” on the starboard side was recounted too many times to be completely false . A shooting did happen, it’s just not known who the officer was . I don’t believe it was Murdoch since we have accounts of his final moments by trusted sources . I think Wilde is the much more likely suspect, since he was apparently strangely withdrawn that night and somewhat of an enigma compared to Murdoch who was mentioned a lot more times in testimonial accounts .
I'm surprised you omitted two mini-series - 2012 "Titanic" and "Titanic: Blood And Steel".
Personally agree with A Night to Remember chosing Lightoller over Murdoch as the protagonist because I think it makes better sense to me to have the protagonist survive.
erm idk if im the only one but when i watched a night to remember on youtube i saw a 1-2 degree starboard list
it is also shown in the final plunge
A night to remember is by far my favorite Titanic movie.
Challenge: Count how many times he said "Titanic"
well presented and factually correct in the main which makes a change so much mis information out there, thanks
Must admit I loved Cameron's film a mix of the real events and popular I think because of the inclusion of the Rose & Jack love story which added extra appeal to those not big into the Titanic per se
Camerons titanic portrays the British as bad guys
The Late and might I say great Actor David Warner was also in Three Titanic adaptations.
He played Lawrence Beesley in 1979 SOS Titanic,
1991 Titanic and as Spicer Lovejoy ( the bodyguard) in 1997 Titanic.
He was one of those character actors who had a prolific career and seemed to be constantly working and was in so many well known films, but not many people knew his name.
Google his name & look at his filmography , you'll be surprised what he'd been in.
Titanic Adventure Out of Time is such a classic game! It's still fun to boot up to this day and play through the storyline. 😄
You mentioned that In Night and Ice was the only Titanic movie to feature the Parisian Cafe. Didn't SOS Titanic feature it as well? SOS Titanic is the one that was made before Raise the Titanic and reused bits of A Night to Remember.
Also, you said that the Raise the Titanic model "is maybe the most accurate Titanic model seen in film". What about the 1997 filming model? Didn't a bunch more historians including Ken work on it too?
It did show The Parisian Cafe. I really liked SOS Titanic especially David Warner as Lawrence Beesley
Ken worked on "Raise The TITANIC", too. I remember asking him in the '80's why the model had the SECOND funnel missing, rather than the FIRST. He told me that he had been very unhappy with that, but the bosses had overruled him, feeling that having the 2nd funnel missing would look more "dramatic" and "cool" than the first. In other words, he was a 'consultant' on RTT, but the producers could, and did, disregard him whenever they saw fit.
some people (t e e n a g e r s) cry in titanic because jack died. i cry because an entire ship that barely lasted 1 week on service already sunk wrecked and we cannot bring it back
And Jack is a fictional character as opposed to the 1500 real people that died. They are not Box Office, we are now hearing ANTR was not a success as they attempted to do an accurate representation of the event based on the information available at the time (1958). Nice one Cameron!!
I’m a teenager & i find it sad for both reasons. To me, Jack is a representation of all of the people who died that night, & that makes his death a representation of the tragedy itself & a way James Cameron makes us sympathize with the actual disaster through his fictional story. As for the historical aspect, i find it absolutely heartbreaking that such a grand ship had such a painstakingly short career when she deserved so much more. You don’t have to mock teenagers just to get across the point that it’s sad that her career was so short lived.
I did find it odd that you didn’t mention the 2012 series Titanic: Blood and Steel.
Although I pretty much share the same opinions as you do on everything else
+Saint I only analyzed the theatrically released films about Titanic, otherwise the project probably would've spiraled out of control. I only briefly mentioned S.O.S Titanic and the 1996 miniseries because they were relevant to the movie/s coming out around the same time.
@@TechnologicallyTechnical That makes sense lol. I just thought that it would be worth a mention.
You seen the Lusitania movie? Worth a watch if you’re interested
Titanic: Blood and Steel (2012), unlike all the other films you discussed, focuses on the building of the ship rather than its sinking. But it's fairly monumental in that it's a 12-part miniseries. Maybe it deserves a little mention just for that. There's also Julian Fellowes' 4-part miniseries *Titanic,* also made in 2012. Fellowes, of course, is the guy who wrote *Downton Abbey,* which also referenced the Titanic disaster as its inciting event.
That’s a trivia question I ask people all the time! What was the first media to depict Titanic’s breakup. They always assume the Cameron movie.
The 1996 miniseries.
You forgot about the time channel.The time tunnel was another titanic movie that had the exact same sets from the titanic movie from 1953
The grand staircase in titanic 1953. The staircase was actually like that but they changed it.
I think the ultimate movie of the Olympic Class (not just Titanic) should be about Voilet Jessop a woman who was on all 3 Olympic Class liners
I have seen A night to remember (1958) and Titanic (1997) and was blind to see that Bernard Fox was in both of them. Not so long ago I found out that David Warner who played Spicer Lovejoy in Titanic (1997) was also in S.O.S Titanic (1979).
This guy really likes Norm Macdonald. He even used the phrase BOX OFFICE POISON.
Interestingly enough, Titanic (1943) was used as Anti-Capitalist propaganda after WWII ended. It was dubbed into Russian and shown regularly in the Eastern Bloc countries.
The video forgot about this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_(2012_TV_series)
Also Titanic Honor and Glory would be nice, if they ever complete the thing, but it seems to be taking forever. I think the crazy horse monument, the Game of Thrones books and Sagrada Família will all be completely before this thing.
I’m amused by History Channel-style documentaries on the Titanic that show clips from “A Night to Remember” AS IF THAT WAS A REAL DOCUMENTARY.
The 96 mini series also depicts Murdoch in negative light as well.
18:58 Listen I Know the sets. Were completely different back then. People didn't know what they actually look like back then even though there was the photographs of the set.
Maybe people had lower budgets, so they couldn't really build the sets perfectly, right
While Murdoch might not have shot himself or even other passengers, a letter from a passenger was made public around the same time as the release of the film which stated that passengers were being shot for trying to crowd into the lifeboats. This of course is also depicted in the 1943 version. As a side note Titanic also appeared in the PC & Wii game "Titanic: Secrets Of The Fateful Voyage" & also in one of the zombie modes for "Call Of Duty: Black Ops 4". I uploaded a video touring the ship from this mode if anyone's interested.
Excellent choice in silent hill music
Nice just of Silent Hill 2 music at 3:00
Another inaccuracy you left out in A Night to Remember was the launch scene at the beginning, with the breaking of the campaign was not a white star line tradition. You could have noted that the 1996 mini series was full of historical inaccuracy and you left out the 2012 mini series. But I guess your video focuses on theatercal film about the Titanic
You should have touched on the 1979 tv film as well
10:58 while being used as a concentration camp and sunk by The British the day before Germany surrendered
I would have loved to see a bit of discussion on the Handful of Animated titanic films.
15:47 Lightoller committed warcrimes in The Great War
Glorifying him is no different to glorifying Hitler
Despite eyewitness testimonies that Titanic broke in two pieces when she sank, the inquirer ruled she sank in one piece, so all the movies made before her wreckage was found in 1985 show her sinking in one piece
4:27 Not easy to say...
I think raise the Titanic might be a sequel to Titanic S.O.S. But that's just a theory, A FILM THEORY!!!!!!!
Wow! Thank you for the video!
You forget to talk about Sos Titanic,Titanic1996,The Legend of The Titanic,Titanic The Legend goes on and Titanic2012 miniseries
1996 one was in the video
@@suchanyasakhiranrat8932 but he didn't explained that much
A Night to Remember is still, for me, one of the best depictions of the event. Yes, it had a host of characters, but I found Cameron's a bit top heavy with the Jack and Rose story. When I watch Cameron's version, I often skip a lot of the first part of the movie.
Agreed
Would go along with that 100%, but whatever you say about Cameron, he is a film maker not a historian, so he knows what will be a box office hit and what won`t be, hence the Jack and Rose as someone has correctly pointed out. Statistically around 70% of running time was given to those two, so I can well understand skipping much of the first part. I couldn`t do that but spent much of the film thinking "get on with the story, never mind those two". Apparently ANTR was not a box office success which surprised me.
A lot of the first half of the movie is an attempt to show the ship as a happy place before the actual disaster... Cameron went to great lengths not to foreshadow anything even though we all know the reality of what happened.
I didn`t study the thing that closely but can understand that Cameron would have made sure he got that bit right, but the reality was all that stuff about not even god could sink the thing, it was a brand new ship, maiden voyage, why would they even be talking in those terms? It may have been in response to rumours around Southampton that all was not well with the ship, then there was the question of certain people cancelling their passage, and even at Queenstown two people made a quick exit. A movie is one thing but the reality does not always match.
It's not like the Jack and Rose story is extraneous. It's actually carefully crafted so the star-crossed lovers have good reasons to visit every part of the ship, to maximize the audience's understanding of what was going on everywhere.
You should look at Goliath Awaits.
10:08 Oh! You haven't seen nothing yet. There's an Italian Animated Titanic film (NOT the one with the rapping dog, that one at least tried to be accurate.) that claims that nobody died and was saved by a giant and terrifying octopus with a dog's face, and that they all just ended up at Atlantis (Or "Atlantide".) and would later turn up at Neverland from the first star on the right, straight until morning. I wouldn't make this stuff up if I was on cocaine.
A night to remember is still the best , Cameron's is 2 and too much jack rose and takes away away from the ship and the real passengers.
What was it with 20th century movies and having bars onboard a ship that didn't have a bar?
Is the two uniform wearer historically accurate?
fascinating
There’s three animated Titanic movies. Which are one of the worst movie to be made.
Now I understand the concept of the Trinity!
Awesome video.
Actually,
I don't think Murdoch accepted the bride from Cal (unlike in Cameron's initial draft, which he later changed
after someone told him how bad of
a representation that was to the real Murdoch). In the final film, Murdoch
just had a look of shock on his face
after Cal handed him the cash and
later, just before he shoots two 3rd Class passengers (including Tommy Ryan accidentally) and then himself,
he disgustingly threw the cash at Cal's face.
There are conflicting reports of where Captain Smith was last seen before he died
I love ur videos!
What does silent hill soundtrack. Is doing here! Weired, as I'm big fan of both TITANIC & silent hill... You've summed my life in this video 🤣
I like the silent hill music
What happened to the ending??
25:23 where is this footage from? that's not what I remember seeing in the movie, these are different angles
+hwa_b3rry It's from the trailer to the movie.
You forgot to mention the titanic mini series from 2012
Why did you left out the film La hantise?
10:01 that is pretty impressive
second class did have a bar
Does anyone know if there’s a version of the 1997 film with all the deleted scenes put back in it
There are plenty of bars aboard the ship. Just pull up your Titanic Demo 401 deckplan. There's a bar for every smoke room and in the Third class general room
+FunBricks1 Those weren't bars in the modern sense. They were basically just pantries.
I saw an interview from a survivor who said she heard another survivor say she saw captain smith swim up to a lifeboat with another famous person and they offered to pull him in and he shook his head and went under.
Nobody was ever likely to say they saw him get into a lifeboat.
@@aj6954 I'll rephrase. I saw an interview with a real life survivor. That survivor said she heard with her own ears a person say they saw with their own eyes the captain swim up to the boat and refuse to be let in. There is no likely or not likely about it. I saw the video. Are you mentioning the likelyhood of MY telling the truth?
@@kylepoundsvlogs2455 No question of doubting you, I`ve heard that story more than once with the slight difference that he could not gain entry as there was no room in the boat. What I said was no-one is likely to say they actually saw him get into a boat, as there is an American report which suggests he did just that. This goes against the official narrative and maybe is the problem with doing research, you never know what you are likely to find. It`s the same with Family History.
@@aj6954 I heard a survivor say they heard someone say they saw him swim to a boat with Straus who died also, and they wanted to pull him in and he shook his head and went under. I searched all day for the interview but couldn't find it. It was a woman.
@@kylepoundsvlogs2455 There are so many stories and variations over what happened with Smith, some say he never left the ship but it does seem he took a dive off the Bridge at some stage. But when they say "he went down with the ship", that could literally mean either he was on it at the time it sank or close to it. I didn`t think from recollection that Strauss actually left the ship, the version I read said it was Andrews with him when they approached a boat. However, you raise a good point when you say he turned down the chance of a boat as opposed to being turned away as the boat was full, which was what I read, it seems a minor point but it could make a big difference. He will remain an enigma, disappeared, body never found, presumed drowned being the official verdict.
Ty for the real history of titanic ❤ this is the real truth guys.. not other nonsens
Hey Matt the Atlantic grand staircase giving me imperator/berengeria and fun fact majestic use to be with imperator class and imperator is the first male liner
Waar is de miniseries uit 2012?
This is interesting
You forgot the 2012 miniseries
Is that the one where a Titanic officer told a 1st Class passenger that the Californian was coming round to pick them up? There`s nothing like a good giveaway.
Media Used
Saved From The Titanic [1912]
In Nacht Und Eis/In Night And Ice [1912]
Atlantic [1929]
Titanic [1943] [Nazi Film]
Titanic [1953]
A Night To Remember [1955] [Novel]
A Night To Remember [1958]
SOS Titanic [1979] [TV]
Raise The Titanic [1980]
Titanic [1996] [TV]
Titanic Adventure Out Of Time [1996]
Titanic [1997]
Britannic [2000]
Titanic 20 Years Later [2012]
Titanic Honor And Glory [2012]
21:54 Jurassic park made 1 billion before titanic
Jurassic Park made just under a billion dollars during its initial run in theaters. Perhaps the 2013 re-release bumped its box office total to over a billion?
Now, End game what?🤣
Why not talk about Julian Fellows mini series version from 2012 or even The Lusitania BBC movie from 2007?
Anyway I am writing my own Titanic Story about these two ten year old cousins who sailed on the Titanic and Survived the nightmare of the shipwreck with their own courage and witts and their broken friendship but with great cost obviously meaning their families 👪 from their parents and older siblings ❤️ did not survive and the sinking of the Titanic brings the two cousins relationship more 👪 closer and helps them reconcile and everyone who had actually sailed on The Titanic plays a part in their story from Captain Smith Bruce Ismay Thomas Andrews Benjamin Gutinhiem and his Italian butler and his mistress and John Jacob Aster and Maddlin Aster Mr and Miss Strous and Wallace Hartley and the rest of the band even Molly Brown and Officer Murdoch and Lightoller and Moody and Wild and even Jack Phillips and Harold Mbride.
I do have some conflicts with the story from Murdoch because I was also planning to have him do the same thing that he did in the movie where he committed suicide after shooting someone else but unlike the movie plays a part and serves a perpes in the cousins story but that was before I found out that James Cameron version offended Murdoch descendents and as Fir Ismay I am not sure what to do.