Liz Truss to blame for Conservatives' damning election defeat as voters 'ruthlessly' reject Tories
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- “If anybody is going to pay the price for the Conservative Party's defeat, it’s correct that it should be those people.”
As the Conservative Party wakes up to losses of 251 seats and a landslide Labour victory, Tory peer Daniel Finkelstein says it’s right that Liz Truss and her allies “pay the price” for the crushing defeat.
Meanwhile, Peter Mandelson congratulates the British public on the ‘ruthless’ deposition of the Conservative government, and Polly Mackenzie celebrates the surge of the smaller parties.
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The whole point of voting them out is they havent taken any responsibility for their mistakes and bad policies. Liz Truss is the perfect example
A woman who's ambition far exceeded her actual abilities. Finally caught out and removed from public life.
That's Oxbridge PPE for you.
Classic example of the 'Peter Principle.'
She never got a chance to be fair to her, the market rejected her in five minutes.
@@abot5381 I wonder why?
Not hard given she has zero ability
I voted for Labour, but God Mandelson is such a slimey egomaniac.
Then don’t call him a god. Commas matter.
It is not her paying the price, but the UK tax payer subsidising her over generous, undeserved pension
Who are the idiots believing she is to blame? Oh you’re one of them 🙈
The UK also paying in increased mortgages
@@philipd8868watch the mortgages rise even further under Labour …
@@iaincrawford5472 who else did it but her....
Absolutely disgusted, there should be a minimum term served to receive that pension. She should be made to forfeit it.
Truss losing her seat feels like a little bit of justice.
Jail without parole would've been justice....along with a few others in her party....
It's not just Liz Truss, it's the whole lot of them.
MURDOCH
Indeed. Truss is an ar*e, but the conservative activists and the Moggite monsters are to blame as well. They were responsible for foistering Johnson, Truss, and the rest of that sorry crew on the rest of us.
Well said
Oh but she carried the heavy weight
It's picking buffoons as leaders, first by the electorate in 2019 then the Tories picked Truss. Sunack was not a buffoon but he made misstep after misstep starting with Braverman.
It's not just Truss it was her backers at the ERG and the rest of Tufton St. they bragged how her and Kwasi Kwarteng budget was theirs and theirs alone. Sleep with the dogs and wake with the fleas
What is Tufton Street going to be doing from now on?
@@frankshailes3205 "What is Tufton Street going to be doing from now on?"
Same old propaganda about trickle down economics. Fancy theories about how letting rich people hoard all the wealth in the country will improve everyone's lives.
Unless your a lizard...
@@frankshailes3205 I suspect they will back Reform from now on
The fact Truss lost her seat restores my faith in Britain
The fact that over 11000 people in that constituency thought..... " yup she gets my vote " is the most concerning thing.
The drug problem is worse than we thought
She was actually a good MP and well liked in the area. The Reform vote cost her the Win
Wait here. She’ll be back.
The one thing a goldfish has no knowledge of is the nature of water. Decades of indoctrination have caused people to vote against their own interests. This continues to be a problem in the UK. Only by being incredibly terrible have the Tories managed to get themselves voted out.
Maybe she had lots of relatives living in her constituency..can't imagine anyone voting for her otherwise. Deluded, arrogant and ultimately selfish individual. No redeeming features whatsoever and I resent she gets such a generous stipend. Insane.
Only thing I remember about Liz Truss, Tory sent her to the Queen and 2 days later Queen died.
Did you know that LizzTruss campaigned to get rid of the monarchy when she was a young Lib Dem?
@@motimobo oh, I wonder if there is some conspiracy theory in there.....
Could we send her to Trump?
I remember that one time the Tories sent her to the economy and 2 days later the economy died.
@@globalistgamer6418 What was really hit was the pension funds. Some lost 30%.
She still gets 130k per year as a former PM, so no tears please.
Former MPs get a pension in UK?
@@edsr164 as a former Prime Minister, she'll have Police protection for life plus a £130K pension in addition to any other salery she has. Not bad for 49 days of work. Somethimes, life does feel a little unfair.
Wow! Wish I could have that paid to me for doing jack all
She ought to get 20 years.....
She said why did they vote me out i was a long life lettuce cant understand it.😂😂😂
Truss was the most dangerous, deluded, arrogant MP in recent times. And that's saying something.😮
She has some competition in Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak. Each created disasters in their own way.
Not Boris, who mentored her & paved the way for her, and made Brexit a real disaster?
Not Cameron, who set up the whole Brexit disaster and then bailed?
@@Daneelro Both Cameron and Johnson are a close second and third.
It's been a disaster since 2015. Unbelievable that they got away with Brexit and we are not discussing this at the election. Hopefully the next election there will.be a mandate for single market and customs union
@@DaneelroCameron was the worst. He did more to damage british citizens rights, quality of life and future opportunities than any other prime minister. Brexit destroyed the economy and political standing of UK making it an insignificant former world power. If we had been sanctioned like Russia it couldn't have been worse
Truss blames everyone, everything but herself. She believes she is never to be blamed.
Typical narcissistic behaviour, it's always someone else's fault.
@@NoxiousRob- she reminds me of the 45th prez of USA. They are always willing to blame others for their own failings and shortcomings.
And she is right. They wanted Sunak from the start. Who else can get the BoE to quickly sell off gilts and artificially move the market, while at the same time create a media smearing in a very short time, all before any policies are put in place, and ironically some respectable pundits were actually projecting growth with her policies? It was a stitch up.
@@NoxiousRobyou sir sound like an idiot
@@iaincrawford5472the free market, which I thought libertarians such as Truss are in favour of, is a stitch up? The alternative hypothesis is that her ideas were tested by reality and found to be a failure but perhaps you can’t accept that idea.
It's the ultimate karma that Truss lost her seat. Being madder than a box of frogs doesn't justify wrecking the economy and causing a lot of financial hardship, and her result shows she hasn't been forgiven. And why would voters want to forgive someone who never said sorry? It'll take days to come up with all the reasons the Tories were decimated, but if Partygate wasn't already the final nail in the Tory coffin, then Truss crashing the economy and wrecking the Tory claim for economic competence certainly was.
All the Trumpian conservatives should share the same fate. Thankfully the UK electorate are more measured, thoughtful and educated than their American counterparts. That said Starmer desperately needs to enact media reform to get the vested interest hackery and polarisation out of our national discourse.
People seemed to have missed that the Liz Truss budget was greeted by Farage as the best budget since the eighties.
It put money in workers pockets, what wasn't to like
The market didn't react to truss's actions.
Anyone watching the euro saw it do exactly the same as the gbp because Biden opened the taps on US reserves at the same time, it was a political hit job that the media played along with.
@@Darren-pq5oc "It put money in workers pockets"
Errr...
Elementary arithmetic. It put money into the pockets of the rich and also reduced the wealth of the country, which means that poor people would be worse off one way or another.
Cutting taxes, but also cutting public services that everyone except the very rich depend on, makes workers worse off even though they have more money in their pay packets.
Doubling mortgage payments for people with mortgages, and therefore ramping up people's rent for people in private rented housing is not exactly putting money in worker's pockets is it?
@@JohnSmall314 it is always better to have a few more pennies in your pocket than a single mother gets benefits to feed her kids, he kids need to realise they life isn't about handouts and they need to get morals which their mother hasnt and work for a better life
@@Darren-pq5ocum...no it didn't. 😂
It's not only liz truss, was also Boris's partying, lying and braking rules.
It's not Lizard Truss who's paying the price. ....... It's EVERYONE ELSE !!
Liz Truss can now go and visit her friend Steve Bannon in prison.
So glad the Tories like Suella as a leader - there's a kiss of death for them. What a gift for Kier Starmer.
No mention of Murdoch's role in keeping the liars and thieves in office.
And we are sick of Mandrax and his self justification.
Because this channel IS Murdoch owned
Media reform is necessary in every western democracy right now. Too much vested interest propaganda masquerading as news right now. We need to get back to sharing the same reality.
Who made you a 'we'?
@@ianworley8169 it's the Royal WE I am a distant relative of Chas.
@@therealrobertbirchall
Everyone is a distant relative of Chas.
Cameron and Osborne did the most damage. With austerity that the country has not recovered from. And they paved the way for a load of nutters like Truss, Rees Mogg, Patel etc. to have prominent positions in the party. A pair of scoundrels.
Well both Truss and Rees Mogg are out so that's a good start.
Agree 100% And the final irony is that despite years of austerity, food banks, cost of living crisis, crumbling schools record hospital waiting lists the national debt was not reduced.
Don't forget Thatcher , and her badly thought through selling off council houses, just to ensure prolonging her term in office and not thinking of the consequences.
@@terencerowberry2444 In my opinion the Tories since 2010 were worse than Thatcher, particularly Cameron and Osborne. It takes some effort to accomplish that.
What Liz Truss did, was apply the finishing blow. She confirmed to the voters the tories were clueless and totally out of touch with reality. But the disaster that Sunak / tories had started with Cameron and austerity 14 years a go, made worse by brexit, general mismanagement of government and finally Liz Truss. Those were all the self-inflicted wounds.
In 2010 all three of the major parties stood on an austerity platform. People like to forget that.
Too much buy in to think tanks like the Institute for Fiscal Studies and the Institute for Government and worse. Far too much. The government needs to do its own research. See what Opendemocracy have written about Tufton Street.
I am surprised that she still got so many votes.
Because a lot of us could see the obvious agenda against her. Truss is not why the Tories lost . They lost because of a half-arsed Brexit, mass immigration, illegals being given red carpet treatment, justice system insanity, and COVID. I note that the man advising the government during covid and insisting on more lockdowns and more spending has now joined the Labour cabinet. Alongside Sue Gray the ‘unbiased’ Partygate civil servant Sue Gray. Suspicious no??
That is a worrying thing. Roughly 1 in 3 people are so away with the fairies that they'll vote Tory or Reform despite the visible evidence of the wreckage due to right wing policies in the last 14 years.
Liz Truss, for me, was the Portillo moment
Mordant cuz truss had no future i reckon
It was a beautiful moment.
Don't sleep on Michael Green (only real ones know...)
Badenoch is going to get found out pretty quick if she gets the leadership. Shes not half as bright as she thinkks she is and she doesnt know how to handle the split in the Tories. Lets hope she does become leader.
now Truss can give her 100% to pork markets and cheese
Kwasi gave all her the pork she needed. As he did Amber Rudd before her. All the nice Tory girls love Kwasi's prodigious package.
That. Is. A. Disgrace.
@@JupiterThunderThe old Tory motto "Use what you've got to get what you want" 🤣🤣🤣
*Stares directly into camera looking self-satisified*
Showing a similar amount of style and grace in defeat as she showed in office. Sadly, the country will have to pay for her pension, but at least they won't have to listen to her any more.
Lettuce dwell on it no more.
Liz Truss on Strictly Come Dancing 2024 : 8-1💃
Grant Shapps : 6-1 🕺
Penny Mourdant : 12-1 🧚♀️
Rees-Mogg : 1000-1🕴
I’ll take these odds.
All of them bear the blame. Cameron for calling the Brexit referendum. BoJo the Clown for, well, being a clown, holding Covid parties, and for supporting the disastrous Brexit vote. Truss for all the things discussed here. Sunak probably deserves the least amount of blame. By the time he got the captain's job the boat had been holed amidships, the keel was cracked, and it was taking on water faster than the pumps could handle.
Brexit was only disastrous because they ruined it. Because non of them believed in it like many patriotic Brits did.
Almost word for word what I was saying to someone earlier today.
I can’t blame Sunak, he was only keeping the seat warm because of the irreparable damage already done.
Exactly this. Just missing the £400Bn that Boris spaffed up the wall (gave to his mates) during "covid procurement" Test & Trace etc.
Liz Truss doubled down on clownish stupidity with a £30Bn immediate economic hit to the economy and a £300Bn hit to mortgage holders that's still ongoing.
Best part of a trillion pounds lost, and that's without factoring in Brexit (whatever people political views, there are no net positives)
Half agree - he was dealt a bad hand, but he also played it badly.
Bozo and net zero. Crazy
Liz Truss has been over her head from the beginning but has mined the system from the beginngin for self aggrandizement like so many in her party.
OK blame ‘the woman’ really?? Tories need to look at themselves as currently they are completely disconnected from reality
It's the entitlement and incompetence of the Tories that was the spike in the heart of Conservatives.
@@t.dmytryshyn2615 Two more words I have for them - complacency and arrogance.
Liz Truss, Financial Advisor, for hire.
Mortgage advisor perhaps?
She can go manage rubles for Putin.
More likely to be election advisor to Trump now Farage won't be going.
@@anthonybrown4874
Whi says Farage won't be going?
@hypsyzygy506 it's a bad look for any current MP costing up to that meglomaniac
Truss is cut from the same cloth as Lucy Letby, oblivious to the harm they have caused, they smile like angels.
Interest rates were bound to go up after covid anyway, but Truss made it much, much worse than it needed to be. This hurt everyones pockets
@kiterJ And made the City of London jump with joy!
@@boota1979 How on earth did Liz Truss make the City of London jump for joy?
@@t.dmytryshyn2615 Where do you think the government got the money/debt from to plug the massive 30 billion hole she wiped off the economy?
Peter Mandelson is so smug and self satisfied. I am no Tory, but Finkelstein is a much better commentator
Not at all wrong there, add corrupt, twitter and bisted old queen.
@@MordechaiTheFoul Mandelson was a freeloader par excelance. Dodgy loans and euro gravy train. A perfect example of someone who jettisoned his socialist principles the moment he saw the honeypot.
Truss was the party darling. she became PM because the tory party wants someone like her to sell them dreams. The essence of the tory party is that they want someone like Liz Truss to be PM if they think they can get away with it. That's why they voted for Truss to become party leader and why Sunak lost, and when he became party leader it was only because there wasn't a party vote.
Well that and the very large tax cuts she was offering to the rich and super wealthy.
Rishi Sunak was not chosen by the Conservative Party membership because, unlike Liz Truss, he was not "one of us".
@@petertaylor1447 "One of us" = "⚪"
The membership liked Truss. Now imagine what it takes to still be a member of the Tory Party after what they have done over the past 14 years.
Blaming an individual is dishonest. Conservative policies are bad no matter whose face you put on them.
She was leading the party and country though
@@leonrobinson8180 She might be more at fault than most, but the rot goes a lot deeper than the figurehead.
Starmer has been quite effective at calling out the hipocracy, untrustworthiness and incompetence of the Conservatives ... and positioning Labour as a trustworthy alternative.
Starmer has been a habitual liar. Dishonest to the core. Your view is only possible because this time the media has covered for Starmer, the way they covered for Johnson in 2019.
And yet Truss is very proud of crushing the British economy.
She was right. The ‘crash’ narrative was mostly bs. Interest rates were going up anyway. If she’d been allowed to continue we might be in a very different place now in a growth economy. But of course that’s not the plan. The parties of Davos can’t have a successful Britain, how else will they force us back under the thumb of the EU?
It's grossly offensive for Mandelson to say that their failed candidates are victims of the Gaza war, given Starmer's support for genocide there. He has permanently alienated these people potentially.
Why push these lies and crazy nonsense about Starmer? Who is paying you to do this? We know it is in Iran and Putin's interest to push this false narrative.
Truss's personal loss in Norfolk was the largest swing ever recorded.26%.
She reminds me of an eccentric high school teacher who habitually loses her classroom keys.
Was there a real 'Portillo moment'?
Portillo was a shock. I think this time there was a quiet satisfaction as they fell, although the real big beasts had already jumped. I think Gove should have been the Portillo moment.
Indeed. Polls were predicting several senior Tories were at risk of losing their seats. Few if any surprises.
The Portillo moments were from Labour. In a few places the Left got organised and dispatched right wing Labour figures such as Jonathan Ashworth and Thangam Debbonaire . They very nearly got Wes Streeting and Jess Phillips.
As much as i laughed out loud at the time when they made her PM, it wasn't ALL truss. it was the conservatives as a cohesive, useless, self serving unit. Cameron with Brexit, May on patch work, Boris on lies and propaganda, Truss on economic stupidity and sunak and out of touch and caretaker duty.
Thetford says goodbye to Liz Truss…
West Norfolk says goodbye
Iran does not fund those who fight for human rights and the upholding of international law and shame on Mandelson for saying so.
She now gets to spend more time with her Trump family
She was doing what Mogg told to do.
Fix your government and voting system!
England needs regional government, so it isn't all pointlessly concentrated in London. The North particularly needs to manage itself for many things, particularly infrastructure.
And get on with fixing Brexit. That was the tombstone on the Conservative suicide. Face it, England is European, embrace it.
The incompetence meter went off the scale during Truss' tenureship of No.10. Mind you, it had been smoking away since Cameron. Five fingers of the same hand...... knuckleshufflers!
Boris Johnson also had a massive part in the Tories downfall. The contempt that he showed for the public drinking and partying while others couldn’t say goodbye to their dying loved ones.
Elitist entitlement at its best!
Can't just blame Least Trust; Boorish and Richie have contributed greatly to their demise
She certainly was a kooky favourite of the Murdoch media 😂
She was going to borrow £60Bn and dole it out to the already wealthy in tax breaks. Can't imagine why the multimillionaire owned Murdoch supported her, can you?
There is absolutely no doubt that Labour are stood on very very shaky ground indeed. So much so, that we are likely to see another General Election before the end of Labours' 5 year term.
No, no no. They don't understand it at all.
She didn't even have the grace to acknowledge all the people who vote for her over the years. Just walked off the stage... Even JRM congratulated his opponent and thanked his former constituents.!
had nigel farage not returned the tories would have done a lot better
True. He split the conservative vote.
It's the UKIP/ERG problem again that Cameron allowed the Brexit vote for in order to appease them. All for nothing now, the right is split anyway. And we have had a disastrous hard Brexit that has cost the average person £2000.
I noticed how he didn't wanna mention labours gains in 2017
Because the logic of the centrist narrative completely collapses if you consider 2017. All centrists do this, its very 1984.
Why Braverman and Badenoch kept their seats is beyond me😮
Two Peas in a ROTTEN POD
Because a significant portion of the British electorate is extremely right wing.
Shorter shelf-life than a cabbage, and fewer brain cells than one too.
Lettuce actually
24:32 Danny should do stand-up comedy. The reform party already irreparably wounded the conservatives. Reform have the policies that people want enacted but not the means to do so. The Tories failed over 14 years and the Labour Party will not be able to make any meaningful impact in the next 5yrs either and so it goes on.
Carol Vorderman is the heroine of tactical voting.
Corbyn was most upset by not being allowed to be selected by the local party, which is an attack on democracy carried out by Starmer.
MPs must represent all their constituents. Corbyn didn't need to self-sabotage himself. He could easily have avoided that. For me Corbyn is an egomaniac - its always about him.
@@jeremymanson1781 In what way doesn't he represent his constituents? He was sabotaged by the Labour right according to the Forde report.
@@jeremymanson1781 He's an excellent constituency MP.
I worked at the houses of parliament when Truss was lobbying for mobile phone companies and as we were both (then) young women we ended up in the same bars. We called her 'The Sponge', she could absorb information which would then come out when she was squeezed, but ultimately filled with air.
The rise of Reform and their impact in attracting enough votes to unseat sitting Conservatives may well cause the Conservatives to back rank choice voting.
It's not Truss, or Sunak or the vile, dishonourable Johnson, it was every single one of them. Any that were not actively responsible, enabled the corruptions of the principle players by their inactions.
I was going to watch this and then I saw Mandelson…
Bye bye cun... Eh i mean Truss. Karma fookin bites 😂
C U Next Tuesday
Sack the sound engineer! I’m listening on headphones and every time Polly speaks it blows my ears off!
Indeed. How hard is it to have a rational answer prepared to questions about genocide? So if he gets an easy decision like that wrong how can he be trusted with difficult stuff?
Although I like the result, the implications are dire. Getting 60% of seats on 34% of the vote is just utterly bonkers. That's as far as you can get from democracy this side of Belarus. It's an elected dictatorship.
Yes but us tactical voters tactically voted democratically to get the tories out. We worked within the established system and got the result we wanted. Next, tories will be shrieking that first past the post is broken because it didn’t benefit them this time. Funny that. Next, they’ll be screaming for proportional representation.
Last night on the BBC, Lord Mandelson went on a little meander about 'how the Labour Party needs to START trying to appeal to people who are not highly paid professionals or University graduates'.
Saying the quiet part out loud. Reform has been handed the British working class on a plate.
I fear it will never get them back
I doubt very much that working class people are dumb enough to buy Reform lies and bigotry.
He once said and I paraphrase ' Don't worry about the plebs, they've nowhere else to go.' Referencing the electorate.
As someone who lives under preferential voting (which is probably a main form of pr), any change may not make the difference smaller parties and their followers fondly imagine.
truss johnson cummings patel braverman, i mean how many more awful people and politicans did they want to have. tory party needs to have a long hard look at the way they choose their mps
It already seems like another world. Lets just hope they never get back.
Labour need to be careful next time. Their share of the vote did not change much from 2019 but they obviously gained many votes in unusual constituency. That must mean that they had a big churn in voters and many of the new voters will be very soft - exemplified by the Red Wall Tory voters this time.
Many were voting the Tories out rather than voting Labour in. I think Labour will prove themselves. The electorate is only now waking up to how much they were lied to.
Of course she's out. She porked the markets.
Not to forget Boris and Brexit and corporate greed epitomised in Mr R Sunak.
Kemi Badenoch??? Dream on. If the Tory party members thought Rishi was a bit too dark, she wouldn't stand a chance.
Absolutely!
Sorry, she is the most popular leadership candidate with Tory members and she certainly does stand a chance. I prefer Tugendhat myself but he is not popular with the members. I do not support the Tories by the way!
Now Liz Truss has lost her seat it will be intresting what she puts in her next job application, Iets hope she includes her 49 days as Pm where she can account for the loss of over £50 Billion in UK bonds... The woman wants deporting
from 10:00 peter Mandelson has summarised the current situation perfectly.
It was really interesting: Ed Davey did stunts that might have been up Johnson's alley...but his back story was so different: a life of caring and serving.
The usual load of Bo11ox from Times Radio.
Appears to me that a significant number of Reform UK Party Limited voters (apart from the natural haters) did so because they are sleepwalking Tory voters but felt their lives had not improved, want change and tangible improvement but would never be bothered to understand Labour or Liberal ideology and instead opted for a more simplistic, populist protest vote.
Hate to break it to you but Reform voters are largely the Labour Working class vote that went over to the Tories because of Brexit. If you honestly think the whole of the North East and North West are Tory heartlands you are very much mistaken. The Tory protest vote always goes to the Lib-Dems.
Reform boasts that it is 'the party of the forgotten working class'. The working class was never Tory until Thatcher
I like the easy, balanced, articulate and insightful way in which these programmes are presented. No rants, no interruptions or talking over. No trainers and t-shirts. A breath of fresh air, well done.
Who paid the price for Liz Truss?
not just liz truss ,boris,sunak
The Portillo moment was the Portillo moment - that was 27 yrs ago.
The Tories pledged five times to stop the boats, boats still coming equals no more Tories its not rocket science is it
That shade of foundation and lipstick looks like the same colour they put on my dear dead grandmother - when laid out in the funeral home
Talking Heads like Mandelson & Co - Who do not get how the little people have to live life.
I will find it very funny if the Tories start squawking for PR.
As someone who switched vote away from the tories this election, she was not at all relevant in my decision. it was all of the broken promises that, after leaving the EU and being given an 80 seat majority, became evident were not circumstance but choices.
Do we think her self awareness will increase any? 😂
She gets 130k per year for somebody who might just get away being a house cleaner? Unbelievable she should have been forced to leave with many of her friends to one of the colonies.She probably will.
If you could add the labour vote that voted tactical to get the Tories out, the vote share for Labour would be greater.
The public finally recognised the Tories were less a political party, more a crime syndicate engaged in a heist.
I'd love to see interviews of people who voted conservative and ask them how much worse would it have to get before they switched alliance.
Suggesting the fact that truss could even make into the position of PM is symptomatic of a Tory party that’s been in the process of disintegration since John majors barstads era