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Richys Dwarfs:
(1999pts)
++ Characters [747 pts] ++
Thane [194 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Great weapon
- Full plate armour
- Battle Standard Bearer [Master Rune of Grungni + Rune of Battle]
- On foot
Runelord [239 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Great weapon
- Full plate armour
- Shield
- 3x Rune of Spellbreaking
- Rune of Parrying
King [314 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Great weapon
- Full plate armour
- General
- Shieldbearers
- Master Rune of Adamant
- Rune of Preservation (dropped due to too many pts, easy switch to Rune of Warding and Rune of Speed on GW)
++ Core Units [508 pts] ++
17 Long Beards (0-1 if General is a King) [281 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Heavy armour
- Great weapons
- Shields
- Elder
- Standard Bearer [Rune of Battle]
- Musician
5 Dwarf Warriors [50 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Heavy armour
- Great weapons
- Shields
18 Dwarf Warriors [177 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Heavy armour
- Shields
- Veteran
- Standard bearer
- Musician
++ Special Units [456 pts] ++
Bolt Thrower [75 pts]
- Bolt thrower
- Hand weapons
- Light armour
- Rune of Skewering
1 Gyrocopters [60 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Steam guns
- Armoured Fuselage (Full plate armour)
16 Ironbreakers [321 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Shields
- Full plate armour
- Ironbeard (champion) [Shield + Cinderblast bombs]
- Standard bearer [Master Rune of Hesitation]
- Musician
++ Rare Units [288 pts] ++
5 Irondrakes [96 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Drakeguns
- Full plate armour
- Ironwarden (champion)
- Trollhammer torpedo
5 Irondrakes [96 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Drakeguns
- Full plate armour
- Ironwarden (champion)
- Trollhammer torpedo
5 Irondrakes [96 pts]
- Hand weapons
- Drakeguns
- Full plate armour
- Ironwarden (champion) [Trollhammer torpedo]
"You may attempt to dispel a Bound spell as usual. Magic items that dispel or destroy spells work as normal against Bound spells. When dispelling a Bound spell, there is no risk of being outclassed in the art"
Hey mate; I’ve actually just emailed GW (not that that usually does much, but fingers crossed it’s in the next FAQ)
Will wait on an faq for it it’s safe to use (and Richy hasn’t used it either yet)
More thought out logic on it:
Bound items don’t make the model a wizard…
Wizardly dispel says your (dispelling) wizard has to be in range of the casting wizard
But there is no casting wizard for a bound spell cos the models not a wizard
So you can’t wizardly dispel a bound items spell
BUT fated doesn’t include the stipulation it’s just you get to make the roll
I was like 99% sure it was a harsh RAW and a mistake, with the fated 85% sure it’s a mistake haha
@@BearfootMiniatures I very much hope that Bound Spells can be Wizardly Dispelled! Sisters of Thorn would be insane.
@@BearfootMiniaturesIts not really any logic to it when it clearly says: "You may attempt to dispel a Bound spell as usual".
If it didnt work i would say something like "bound spells can't be (Wizardly/Fated) Dispelled."
If anyone pushes for the way is discribed in this video i hope they take the Slayers Oath for the shame they brought to the game and never play again. Its fun winning yes, but not through bending the rules.
So further update to the logic train
(carrying on from the prv post)
... BUT fated doesn’t include the stipulation (of selecting a dispelling wizard within range of the casting wizard) it’s just you get to make the roll
Following that logic magic missiles are cast by wizards in the shooting phase so I bet someone COULD argue you cant cast or dispel bound spells I doing think anyone will be doing cos its obv a mistake (if the argument was bounds can only be fated, I can half see that so theyre just not turned off by LVL4s but its certainly not the case with that)
@@BearfootMiniatures With this way of thinking of thinking only Wizards can use bound spells. Since Bound spells are " cast in the usual manner" And since Wizards are the only ones who can cast spells no other model can use a bound spell right? And even the rules say "Possessing a Bound spell does not make a model a Wizard"
So only Bound spells from Wizards then i guees. The Dwarf Anvil of Doom cant even be used.
On the issue of Hammerers vs a Dragon - If there is a Thane or Kings in the unit, the basic Hammerers can issue challenges. In a lot of cases, the Dragon can be reduced to one kill per turn.
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! more events needed: need to grab my ticket to the next!
40:45 something i envy the wood elves for is how many options their units have and how wide a range of answers they have to their opponents lists and factions. They make decisions right up to the last second to interact with their opponents, between the strong spellcasting, great movement, generating terrain to mess with deployment and units like wardancers who can change their abilities on the fly to counter the enemy they're fighting.
Really enjoyed this discussion. I’ve been patiently waiting for the gw dwarf minis to come out (just prefer the aesthetic) and been trying to figure out lists. Some really helpful tips in here from experience
Enjoyable video and Richy came across as a good guy and was an entertaining guest. Nice to see some Dwarfs do so well and hear in detail about how they managed it. Think some of the comments down here are a bit uncalled for - obviously the thing about bound spells is wrong and needed correcting, but it really didn't require paying too much attention to the video to work out that he wasn't using any in this list anyway or that from listening to him talk about the games that he wouldn't be somebody trying to cheat in any case.
Hey mate: really glad you enjoyed it and listened so closely haha!
Hope to have Richy on again soon as it was a great time recording with him and he’s from a totally different meta to my own (we’ve been going big units and them smaller) so good counterpoints aswell
@@BearfootMiniatures The more Dwarfy goodness the better! Do you think you'll stick to what you've been trying? Sounded like you might be going to try doing things his way for a bit.
I just didnt have success with the tactics id learned in doing brets and chaos where id liked big blobs of infantry (who knew haha) so will defiantly be mixing it up in future!
Great discussion. I love hearing about Dwarfs having success :) Two top blokes as well.
I love this! Been really hitting hard with the trials of Dwarves. Internets says they are not great and I don't believe it.
I love the face tattoos. Very slayer :)
Shall pass along the nice comment mate! Thanks for watching!
Very cool report, thanks for the effort !! Stupid question but with those big blocks, how would you go about to scale back the list to 1250 or 1500? (which are most games around where i live)
Thanks again!
Keep up the good work! 5th is actually pretty good for dwarves!
Shall pass along the congrats if Richy hasn't already seen the kind words!
I'm going to need to see some cited sources on the Runesmith/Lord/Anvil not being able to be dispelled with their bound spells, because that's a little bit of a game changer for us Dwarf players if that's the case.
Under dispell in the core book: "nominate a single Wizard in your army that is within ‘Dispel range’ of the Wizard that cast the spell."
The runelord is specifically not a wizard and therefore can't be dispelled rules as written.
@@patgray5402 But the bound spell rule in the magic section states, "you may try to dispel bound spells as usual" they also state having a bound spell does not make the wielder a wizard. Really confused here.
@@patgray5402 but that would mean a model wearing a Wizarding Hat also could not be dispelled, as they are not wizards per the recent FAQ, despite that Bound Spells are able to be dispelled as per their rules.
@patgray5402 Sorry, this is incorrect. Page 15 of the Forces of Fantasy book states that the Anvil runes are Bound Spells. Runelords and Smiths convey Magic Resistance and don't cast spells, and count as wizards of various levels for their dispel attempts. However, the Anvil essentially is a bound magic item and Runes struck from one can be dispelled (they function as a level 3 wizard in this case).
pretty sure they are just flat out wrong about this
If they intended for bound spells to not be unbound, they would have stated that, not make you have to figure out a possible RAW "well technically" rule. They say bound spells can be dispelled.
I like how Rune of Preservation was dropped in favor of Rune of warding and rune of speed on GW (which is also not allowed to go on great weapons 🤪). I would have taken a Rune of Fury for the 25 points to give 5 attacks.
Woops! Luckily I think Richy played points down and the changing out was more thoughts than a list that was used (as I believe he could just reduce points to make the list legal not replace things)
@@BearfootMiniatures I totally get it, the game is very new and there's hundreds of pages of stuff going on!
Congratulations, it's good a see a no-cheese list doing well.
Can you guys link those terrain packets or cards he was talking about?
Really interesting chat, chaps
i thought if you used the master rune of adamant, you couldn't combine it with any more armour runes? or is that why he couldn't take preservation and said he could take rune of warding for the killing blow instead as it's a talismanic rather than an armour rune. or have i misunderstood the wording on master rune of adamant completely?
any official ruling made through an FAQ yet regarding the bound spells ?
Non official I believe but we came down to the train of logic that:
- if using the logic you can’t dispel you’d also have to be a wizard to cast and bounds don’t make you become a wizard so you’d never be able to cast it either, so it was decided it was better to egnore the entire fiasco haha
I agree with the comments that the "bound spells can't be dispelled" take is a bit sus to say the least, esp. since it's directly contradicted by other wording in the rules. Hopefully gets FAQ'd for clarity though, since the wording for dispelling definitely isn't the best.
Still, I don't feel like it takes aaaall that much listening or reading comprehension to notice that Richy was in fact *not* running any bound spells, and so accusing him of winning a tournament by cheating is an... interesting... take.
Hey mate: It was spitballing on the exact interaction and exactly RAW neither me ever having done it or Richy ever having done it
So we had a bit of discussion on this last night and I’ve actually just emailed GW (not that that usually does much, but fingers crossed it’s in the next FAQ making it not work that way)
heres the logic and outcome before a reply (Bit long but the last bit is the key to the yes you can dispel cos its ludicrous logic when taken to the endpoint of bound spells aren't wizards)
The logic was
Bound items don’t make the model a wizard…
Wizardly dispel says your (dispelling) wizard has to be in range of the casting wizard
But there is no casting wizard for a bound spell cos the models not a wizard
So you can’t wizardly dispel a bound items spell
BUT fated doesn’t include the stipulation it’s just you get to make the roll
That was the logic behind it when we were talking on it.
Its since come to light that spells such as magic missiles are cast by wizards in the shooting phase: still bounds dont make you a wizard, so I suppose with HARSH RAW bounds cant cast magic missiles (This is not what im coming down on BTW)
Which is obv rediculous and so that logic just has to be disregarded and all bounds have got to make your dude count as a wizard for purposes of casting and spell
@@BearfootMiniatures All good, my friend. What's a little speculation between mates?
It just pisses me off when people accuse others of cheating, but are themselves too lazy to even notice that the rules interpretation they consider cheating wasn't even relevant in the game. But that's the internet, innit?
What rune is on this Dwarf Lords pint glass? It never empties… 🍺
Can you give us the army list used for the event ?
Hey mate! It’s in the video description I believe
Guys I have a question about shieldwall: if I put my king with great weapon inside my unit of warriors for exampl, and I use greatweapon during the combat, can I use shieldwall ability with my warriors even if my character used a greatweapon?:) thx a lot
Hey mate: as far as I’m aware so long as the actual unit uses shields other models attached (along with the champ if armed differently, see p213) can use different weapons they may have (as it’s just uses shields, I don’t believe the FAQ even specifies that it has to be majority, just using shields
I love the Highland Dwarf minis! Really want to start Dwarfs just for them.
But how did Dwarfs manage to get utterly wiped? Did you get Elfs as opponents?
EDIT: OK, there were elf opponents. Elfs and Empire are the only opponents Dwarfs go well into I think.
EDIT again: What's that about dispelling bound spells? They can be dispelled if the opponent is in range, no?
As an aside... Audio quality is good, but volume is soft. I had to crank this compared to a normal video.
Mate I 100% recommend the dwarfs, Ive been loving painting the additions to the army iain lent me for the channel
Ive been playing with the audio quality lately, ill have a make sure on the vids its also turned up enough!
So we had a bit of discussion on this last night and I’ve actually just emailed GW (not that that usually does much, but fingers crossed it’s in the next FAQ just to clear up wording)
heres the logic and outcome before a reply (Bit long but the last bit is the key to the yes you can dispel cos its ludicrous logic when taken to the endpoint of bound spells aren't wizards)
The logic was
Bound items don’t make the model a wizard…
Wizardly dispel says your (dispelling) wizard has to be in range of the casting wizard
But there is no casting wizard for a bound spell cos the models not a wizard
So you can’t wizardly dispel a bound items spell
BUT fated doesn’t include the stipulation it’s just you get to make the roll
That was the logic behind it when we were talking on it.
Its since come to light that spells such as magic missiles are cast by wizards in the shooting phase: still bounds dont make you a wizard, so I suppose with HARSH RAW bounds cant cast magic missiles (This is not what im coming down on BTW)
Which is obv rediculous and so that logic just has to be disregarded and all bounds have got to make your dude count as a wizard for purposes of casting and spell
@@BearfootMiniatures - That is a stretch, regarding the dispelling of bound spells.
P. 109 says you can dispel them as normal. It also says there is no risk of being outclassed in the art, something that only happens during a Wizardly dispel, so...
Ahh yes the ''F**k no spell'' ;p
Cor, that Tom Carley sounds like an awful, but devilishly handsome bloke
Are you him?!?!?
@@ComandaKronikk the very same
@@fatboynoslim6 it is an honour to meet such a hands0me boi - hav good day!
Audio is very quiet
Cool report! Im fairly certain a Runesmith can take 3x Spellbreaker if you want, it has a rune limit of 75 points
Getting only 25% points on units reduced below 25% original numbers is such a huge change from 6th, it really changes how you want to prioritize targets and deny points to your opponent
No wonder you did well when you play rules in a way to suit you rather than how they actually are. It states you can attempt to unbind a bound spell. So whether he is a wizard or not it’s a bound spell and can be attempted to be unbound. If it was the case dwarven rune Smiths couldn’t be unbound when using bound spells then it would state that in dwarfs bit or in general magic part of rulebook.
Hey mate; I’ve actually just emailed GW (not that that usually does much, but fingers crossed it’s in the next FAQ)
Will wait on an faq for it it’s safe to use (and Richy hasn’t used it either yet)
More thought out logic on it:
Bound items don’t make the model a wizard…
Wizardly dispel says your (dispelling) wizard has to be in range of the casting wizard
But there is no casting wizard for a bound spell cos the models not a wizard
So you can’t wizardly dispel a bound items spell
BUT fated doesn’t include the stipulation it’s just you get to make the roll
I was like 99% sure it was a harsh RAW and a mistake, with the fated 85% sure it’s a mistake haha
Pretty sure "rune of spell breaking" can only be taken by Anvil of Doom and Dwarf Runesmiths... not Runelords
Rune lords and runesmiths come under the header runesmiths
@@Dawiafterdark ah cool, nice one
Moment of disbelief there (another email to GW HQ was about to be sent) lucky it’s not haha
This is a good channel but I find the sound quality to be relatively poor and hope you can upgrade your sound equipment soon.
Where did all the characters go and how wide were the units played?
Judging by his photos Richie seemed to be playing mostly 5 wide (I imagine to preserve rank bonus) and speaking to him the characters were mostly floating and joining units as necessary (though I know from playing him that’s rarely his iron breakers as they’re more the anvil unit as he uses them
@@BearfootMiniatures Thanks for the reply
great video, but could barely hear the interviewer.
Sorry about that; I’ve been playing with stuff to get the quality better recently and must have messed up the volume balance!
@@BearfootMiniatures Happens to the best of us! Great video still! Keep up the good work!
Terrible, terrible ruling.
Which one mate!?
@@BearfootMiniatures the no dispelling bound spells is a ludicrous interpretation lol
I’ve actually emailed GW (not that that usually does much, but fingers crossed it’s in the next FAQ)
Will wait on an faq for it it’s safe to use (and Richy hasn’t used it either)
More thought out logic on it when we were discussing (and actually a logic fault that surely means we were definately wrong)
Bound items don’t make the model a wizard…
Wizardly dispel says your (dispelling) wizard has to be in range of the casting wizard
But there is no casting wizard for a bound spell cos the models not a wizard
So you can’t wizardly dispel a bound items spell
BUT fated doesn’t include the stipulation it’s just you get to make the roll
Following that logic magic missiles are cast by wizards in the shooting phase so I bet someone COULD argue you cant cast or dispel bound spells I doing think anyone will be doing cos its obv a mistake (if the argument was bounds can only be fated, I can half see that so theyre just not turned off by LVL4s but its certainly not the case with that)
Ah. Good video on how to win tournament by cheating.
Another example of why there's no competitive gw game
Hey mate; I’ve actually just emailed GW (not that that usually does much, but fingers crossed it’s in the next FAQ)
Will wait on an faq for it it’s safe to use (and Richy hasn’t used it either yet)
More thought out logic on it:
Bound items don’t make the model a wizard…
Wizardly dispel says your (dispelling) wizard has to be in range of the casting wizard
But there is no casting wizard for a bound spell cos the models not a wizard
So you can’t wizardly dispel a bound items spell
BUT fated doesn’t include the stipulation it’s just you get to make the roll
I was like 99% sure it was a harsh RAW and a mistake, with the fated 85% sure it’s a mistake haha
Some good words, don´t listen too much on all these know-it-all guys on the internet. Very few rocket surgeons in the Warhammer Community. But a load of big-mouthed,s ad, min-maxing twats that take the game too serious..
Find your own way..