How can Haiti break its cycle of violence and instability? | UpFront
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2024
- Is Haiti on the verge of collapse? We look at the current violent upheaval in the country and discuss what’s ahead.
Haiti is facing a major and violent upheaval after armed gangs took control of 80 percent of the country’s capital, Port-au-Prince, locking Prime Minister Ariel Henry out of the country and triggering his resignation.
In an effort to contain the recent surge of violence, the Haitian government announced extending a state of emergency and nighttime curfew. Nonetheless, Haiti’s humanitarian issues are reaching crisis levels with thousands of people internally displaced.
Meanwhile, there are continuing discussions about potential foreign intervention to help quell the violence. The move has met reticence from many Haitians, who have decried past failures by the United Nations and the United States in the country.
So what will happen in Haiti? And is there a way forward to build lasting stability?
This week on UpFront, Marc Lamont Hill talks with the deputy program director of Latin America and Caribbean for International Crisis Group, Renata Segura, journalist and author Monique Clesca, and Jemima Pierre, a professor at the Institute for Gender, Race, Sexuality and Social Justice Institute at the University of British Columbia, about the upsurge of violence in Haiti.
I'm tired of the blame game, I want to know what's the next move for the country to pull up itself
The next move? To blame France and the US of course! It’s always the next move for Haiti.
@@jstragland of course the blame lies with the US, they're the ones supporting the dictators that've come to power lmao
The reality is that all these invasions and interference have not allowed these people to evolve.
Y’all need to read a book 📚
@@jstragland- I know that RUclips and the powers behind it will try to shadow ban this comment, but I'll post it anyway.
You bunch are always blameless, it wasn't you bunch, but Qaddafi who committed suicide and destroyed his own country, Libya, once upon a time the most prosperous country in Africa.
It wasn't you bunch that destroyed Syria, while arming and financing terrorism in this country in order to try to overthrow Assad.
It wasn't you bunch that destroyed the economy of Venezuela while disregarding the results of fairly held elections and trying to put your own puppet in power.
It wasn't you bunch who disregarded fairly held elections in Haiti in 1990, and brought on your own plane, kidnapped the then elected president and dropped him in a country that he never sat foot in before.
You repeated the same fit in 2011, by asking the then president of the country to annul the election results and to name your own puppet for president.
It is not you trying to force Haiti to accept a drug dealer that you just released from prison as head of state.
It is never you, it is always the others own fault.
The Country already has collapsed, what more needs to happen for you guys to stop asking "is Haiti on the brink of collapse?"
Collapsed in 1986. They destroyed every little good thing Duvalier left
Correct.
"Complaining about a problem without posing a solution is called whining" - Teddy Roosevelt
You and I were not listening to the same thing. They clearly said that the solution should be Haitian led involving all the stakeholders even the gangs. Listening comprehension
@@jacquesstephen777 "The solution is just for everyone to come together and get along" 🤓☝️
@@TWE_2000 I agree but Haitians should be given the chance to unite and decide their fate without western interference. It’s called self determination.
I feel bad for the women and children. The men are burning that country to the ground.
Correct! They need outside intervention and they need that Now, so that help can arrive and be properly distributed.
This is a disaster, and it's been very very obviously coming.
Now doing nothing is not an option ~
Haiti is full of non corrupt people and I’m sure that may be the case, but Mr. Hill asked the great question of where are all these people in Haitian leadership.
A lot of blame is going to the international community but not much accountability to Haitians themselves.
@marron5272 - You are right to focus on that point. But you see, over the years a lot of great Haitian Talents have been wasted - many came forward wanting to effect changes and put Haiti on a better course only to be faced with roadblocks through policies, sanctions/embargos and constant destabilization implemented by the US and France since Haiti's Independence, and Canada over the last hundred years) - they never got over the fact that Haitians dared to fight for their freedom and won. And the common goal of these countries is that Haiti must NEVER prosper. The mighty "Democratic" power, the US, always finds a way to torpedo Haitians' elections results and install their own puppets. So ask yourself, given the last many Presidents of Haiti, what have been their credentials? The answer is: not much - please, google it. And then contrast this, I know for sure, with the large pool of high caliber Haitian Talents both locally and in the Diaspora: Academics, Doctors, Engineers, Lawyers, Business and Government Leaders. I hope the picture is getting clearer. These 3 countries always choose the most inept of the bunch and install him as President, making sure that he's incapable and will never do ANYTHING to advance the country. President Jovenel Moise, may he rest in peace, tried his best, he had a conscience - he diverged from the Program - find what happened to him, if you don't already know.
So, where are all these people in Haitian leadership, you asked? They are there - there are many of them, all frustrated, angry seeing their beloved country, mercilessly and savagely, destabilized, devastated and driven to the ground - France, US and Canada have highjacked the prospects in Haiti (for now).
Haiti, in defeating the Colonial power, France, has changed the course of humanity for GOOD over Evil - Haiti is being made to pay the price.
Until the TRUE International community: our Brothers and Sisters in Africa and the Caribbean, South America, India, China, Indonesia and the Golf Countries dare to ask what is really going on in Haiti and call on France, US and Canada to back off, it won't matter how many highly prepared and capable Haitian leaders who step forward.
Correct the like to blame everyone else but take no blame.
That part! ACCOUNTABILITY
The Haitian people have stepped up and chosen their leader already. Imperialists are stopping them from installing their own leaders. This is where the Haitian people are right now. There's your answer.
They have, the Haitian elites are working with the international community. The problem is what the Haitian people want isn’t in the best interests of the elites and the west. That’s why there’s always some kind intervention and chaos.
Jovnel Moise put Ariel Henry in power. Not the USA. Haiti needs to stop playing the blame game and take responsibility for their own problems.
Missionary Roger Mansour
He was bullied by the so called international community to pick Ariel Henry. A known shadow group person.
You got wrong. President Moise Nominated him, but assassinated before the PM was sown in, meaning technically he was not supposed to be the Prime Minister. Yes, US always plays that role of having the solution when he actually it is the problem. They just need to leave Haiti alone.
PHTK put Ariel into power. Jovenel hadn’t even heard of him before nominating him.
@motivasyonplus559 haiti has to understand that illegally crossing borders into other countries USA and others gain the RIGHT to intervene. For the record.... USA wants no part in stepping in the mess that is brewing there because of the mentality and blame game that already persist. No worries huni this is not our fight. Have it.
To begin with since when USA does not want to step in the "mess" as you said since USA is the one creating it? It is not matter of mentality it is the fact. Of course we Haitians have our part in the situation because some of the us do have to guts to ask USA, Canada that does not even an independent country and France to STOP interfering with Haiti's business. I know my history's story. Yes, you are right, it is the job of any country to protect their countries but the time comes for them to STOP. Do you know about 1915 and way before that? We do making it your fight, you have making your interest as if Haiti is one of the USA's State. But believe me, Haiti will rise again and all those countries will be put aside. Keep in mind for 1804 no one helped Haiti, instead since then there are a constant plot to keep and put Haiti in that condition.@@ternesiajackson7277
Every time that so called scholar comes on a interview she keep going backward pointing fingers. She is yet to propose an idea of how best to move forward. I swear she’s a plant for BBQ. She lives abroad and can see how ppl are hungry and suffering in fear but her so called scholar brain fails to propose a solution.
U speaking my language
Exactly 💯 she is so blinded by bitterness that she can HELP DESTROY THE COUNTRY THAT SHE CAME FROM BECAUSE SHE RESIDES ABROAD... IRONIC
Haitians abroad talk a lot. But they don’t move a finger to help their country if money is not involved.
@@olivervalera4074Yes....always saying let Haitians fix Haiti, while living in another man's land. Go back and fight for your land instead of fleeing.
You're a clown 🤡 and a White supremacist apologist
Note to the world, can you stay out of Haitian political affairs. Protect your borders and let them take care of their business. Thanks in advance.
And who is apart of the border crisis crossing illegally..... I'll wait for your answer...
Thank god for Ron DeSantis.
Idiot, no country can exist without trade, export and domestic goods. Shut up you're nonsense about leaving Haiti be... that's exactly what Haitian unorganized gangs and anarchists want. We've heard enough of that BS.
They need help w
Thank you Prof Pierre for speaking up and pushing back, this is fantastic. Big up to Monique Clesca for such a brilliant illuminating intervention. Thank you Prof Marc Lamont Hill for great interviewing.
This Jemima lady should stop interrupting so much. Her passion is understandable, but viewers that want to try and get all perspective should be allowed to listen to all perspective without having those perspective cut-off mid sentence.
Yeah!!! But she is very right. The same people are sponsoring the gangs.
Time for Haitians to stop blaming everyone else but themselves. Western powers also have strong influence over other carribean island nations but we dont see anything near this level of breakdown of law and order in the other islands. Time for Haitians to begin to blame themselves and look inwards to the rootcause of their lawless state.
Other islands didn't free themselves. They do not get the same treatment.
@@MrClyjadeThat part!
@@MrClyjadeblaming others, looking for excuses. Surely he is Haitian. The other island didn’t free themselves?? Have you read anything else but a comic book of history?? Haitians must put a stop to their ego!! See the reality. Haiti the only one is chaos 200 years straight!!
Tell me you’re a moron who hasn’t read a book without telling me
If you're going to brag, please have something to show for it. Haiti is looking like parts of Congo and other downtrodden African countries at this point.@@MrClyjade
This is the best discussion regarding the issue i have seen.
That professor is freaking horrible, saying that the people don’t want the help when she’s literally in her safe house or apartment building in Canada meanwhile, in the streets of Haiti, people are being murdered buildings being burned and people starving to death I guess it’s easy enough to say when you’re thousands of miles away
She has family there, and apparently has dedicated her academic life to Haiti. This is more than most Haitian Americans can say and much Much more than the concern of average north Americans, which borders on zero ~
She is haitian...so she understands creole...so she can watch haitian news... and make this conclusion : haitian don't want intervention
This professor sitting in Canada saying no country should come in to help . Meanwhile people are dying and starving
You need to read up on Haiti and geo politics. Aid is a form of control. Its an ancient tactic. Herod did it in the Bible. In 1996 Bolivia kicked out USAID for try to usurp their govt. There is much to be said about what has led up to this. Much to be said. Barbecue is evil but maybe he cant unite the gangs, throw out the mulatto billionaire mafia families along with western imperialism. Haiti doesnt need help. They need to be left alone
You make a point that others do as well (and i would too).
But you do need to look slightly closer... watch the longer documentaries. Starvation should have been occurring by now and apparently it isn't (so far).
So i wouldn't be quite so quick to respond to the footage of the city streets... I get it, I've been outraged as well. But it's not exactly an area at war.
Absolutely the situation is critical. But i think they are quietly working together more than is seen at first blush ✌️ ☮️ ~
Blaming outsiders, denial and a deep lack of acknowledging long-standing internal racial, political, and class strife embedded in an environment of enormous inequality and poverty makes consensual political stability elusive in Haiti; they seem more concerned about parroting historical relics that do not provide solutions for a suffering population in the 21st century.
Those "historical relics", unfortunately are some of the very tools used, today, to constantly and savagely destabilize Haiti and keep it on the ground. These white supremacists, France, US and Canada, to this day, can not stomach the fact that Haiti, a Blacks nation, fought them, defeated them, took its freedom. And in doing so, the Blacks of Haiti changed the course of humanity.
Their solution is for foreign powers to GET OUT of Haiti and leave them alone. The people keep saying it but the “imperialists” don’t want to listen!
@elanajenkins476 that's not a solution when they're the ones killing themselves and invading international borders on every side. You can't make demands when people are illegally crossing into other countries. You have now invited other countries in your home.....
@@elanajenkins476Damned if you do damned if you don't. The problem with that overly-parroted statement of yours is that they blame everyone else for their mess to avoid a much better word...then the minute others step aside and let Haitians brutalize themselves on their own they start hollering for military and all kinds of help accusing others of racism and indifference for their plight. Right now no one is sending troops to Haiti to restore order, no one is getting their hands dirty there and somehow this is awful too
What's naive is thinking you can march in foreign troops and impose democracy from the outside in. Speaking as a US citizen, I would love to see us pay for ballot boxes, food, water treatment, etc., but I don't want to see a penny go to bullets that will end up in Haitians. We should see them as a sister nation with a history intertwined with our own that we and other colonial powers have repeatedly beaten down. We owe them more than bullets. We owe them the prosperity they need to build a nation state of their own from the ground up.
Yeah,sure, always blame external factors. Building a a stable functioning state only has one starting point, the people living Haiti. Only they can turn this around if they have the will to do it.
The problem is that once a group of people take power, they don't give it away without a fight. You can't just wait for democracy to flourish in people's hearts. Look at geopolitics. Even 1st world countries like the US and France act like animals when they can get away with it.
@@hermanspaerman3490 It's funny that you think you're disagreeing with me. A review of the history of Haiti's national debts might be eye-opening for you
Don't ever offer these people or the other black ones any empathy because they will turn on you instead of their pertrators.@@imogen1
The so-called scholar is so toxic! She's so obsessed with blame games than offering a solution!
Thats Haitian mentality. We from DR are happy the world is starting to see it. The only country in the entire continent in chaos and anarchy for 200 continuous years. Thats not a peaceful country!!!
As a Caribbean person who follows politics in the region very closely and who as as also knows that most Caribbean nations require visas for Haitians to visit their country while not requiring it from other Caribbean nationals even though The Treaty of Chaguaramas ( enshrines Caricom nationals of which Haiti is a part freedom of movement across the region) She is correct in stating that the knee jerk response is the same ole same ole hammer and nail syndrome. Some aspect of the implementation of the Montana Accord along with Cherizier involvement would be a solution. This has been promoted by Dr Pierre on other platforms. The region as a whole and Haitian in particular needs brave innovative solutions. Here is something to chomp on from a US perspective.....refugee Haitians to the US...stop deporting them back into a challenging situation. Include them while under temporary protected status in the discussion about what they would like to see. For those remaining try a novel approach on working with Telco or village shops and/ or businesses to collect the feelings of the population on what their needs are. And last but not least the Cherizier should be a part of the solution as well. Not saying this is perfect but by engaging all parties which is what both Monique and Dr Pierre endorse....
is a more long term inclusive approach. The US, Canada and France can provide support in other ways to facilitate these things.
there are no solutions anymore at this point with Haiti
This was the best discussion about Haiti I've seen in the last month but it really needed to be an hour. I Have been involved with community development groups. The people that make up these type of groups that Monique speaks about tend to have more insight about the issues that face their community [or in this case country] and they tend to create solutions that are more specific to the problems that brought on the crisis. Case in point our group had made a suggestion that would have solved a problem that had existed in our community for 40 years. The new mayor just ignored what the community had suggested and wasted over a million dollars making improvements as he saw fit. After that mayor had to leave office under a legal cloud, the next mayor implemented the community solution. The community solution solved a 40 year old problem. And the area now has increased 10 fold in economic development. I say that to say, it seems that the Haitian people created a solution under the Montana meetings. Yet you had an unelected PM who was imposed on the Country try to force in will - simply as a power play - on the citizenry; and now you have everyone but the Haitians in the Jamaican meeting, thinking they can come in and resolve Haiti's issues by imposing their will over a Haitian group that has proposed a valid plan. The point is, any outside group if forced upon the Haitian people, should only be in place to assist the people in an effort to implement the Montana plan.
Professor Pierre thank you so much for your intervention, Monique thank you so and thanks to Marc Lamont . Ayiti ap leve kampe , gen espwa toujou.
What is the solution the lady that keep bringing up the history putting forward? She keep talking about what happened, we know this.
The Haitian people are a proud people. These issues will not be resolved in our lifetime.
Very interesting conversation from all 3 highly educated and intelligent women.
Why don’t the people on the board step up? Nothing can happen unit order and stability is contained.
Jemima, what is the solution for Haiti?
You're too bummy to talk to her
15:00 Is Renata saying that she knows it's not possible to do polls right now, that she doesn't know who did it, but she still pulled an 80% figure out of her... hat? She is illustrating Professor Pierrre's point exceedingly well.
Smh, She’s the smartest the interventionists could send😢
She was simply peddling, reciting the lies given to her by her American bosses. She is from Colombia, a bastion of the US; therefore no surprise there.
She was literally in the middle of explaining that the security situation means its impossible to get an accurate figure of public opinion, but the poll can at least give some general estimate of where it's at. However she was rudely interrupted by Pierre who offered ZERO solutions and just spent the entire interview blaming everyone else.
Complaining about a problem without posing a solution is called whining.
@@peterobila1243Well at least somebodies cares to try and do something wtf since Haiti themselves are clearly incapable of doing it. Like have you ever heard in your life about a president being kept out of his own country by gangs? Haiti isn’t even a country it’s a MadMax hellscape placed in the tropics. And they are on here talking about colonial powers which is the exact reason it is happening. Like wtf are we talking about? The country was tricked into thinking it won a revolution only to let itself get extorted for the next 150 years 🤦♂️
I would love for Haiti to solve this crisis on their own but that is just not possible and longer it goes on and violent the situation gets it will cause a massive refugee crisis which will lead all of those refugees to the US so we would like a solution that would not trigger massive immigration to the US when we already are dealing with a immigration problem on our southern border.
The unfortunate answer is that there is no solution to this problem. It’s too ingrained. It’s too deep.
There is always a solution to every problem. First, is to find the root cause of such problem, then the solution will be obvious. The root cause is clearly outlined by Dr. Jemina.
@@polyglosystic. Very well put, my Brother!
@@polyglosystic. okay so the root cause has been found. The first step of your solution has been completed. What now? What’s the solution now?
@polyglosystic. this is why there is no FORWARD because you're stuck in the Past PARALYZING your future..... go figure....
@@ternesiajackson7277- Yet, had we not done what we did then, I can say with certainty that to this very day you would have still been in a plantation picking up cotton under the harsh, brutal treatments of your slave masters; the same slave masters that you're defending.
I wish my US countrymen could understand how we have failed in our responsibility to prevent our government from perpetuating these problems for Haitians. We should be asking how we can help them rebuild, rather than telling how we will reassert our order.
Dr. Jemina Pierre has eloquently spoken on the root cause of the problem, and as a fellow Haitian, I agree with everything she said. As long as the former colonial powers keep interfering in our affairs, then Haiti will never break its cycle of instability, and poverty.
She’s full of deflection and excuses. Haitians are in this situation right now because of Haitians. This is an unnecessary and ridiculous Haitian created mess. No one else is telling you all to run around and terrorize each other and r a p e little girls, stop food supply, etc. And I love Haitian people but all you do is run away from your country instead of staying to improve it but then you want to blame everyone else. Haiti is deeply corrupt from the inside. Y’all take zero accountability for that.
Dr. Jemina Pierre appears to like nothing, without any idea of what should happen. Also, she wants to concentrate on the corruption of foreign entities, correctly, but I say an even bigger problem is the internal corruption. If you restore the internally corrupt to power why does any sane person think things would be any different?
Dont worry thats why dominican republic is building a wall and usa should start sending every haitian back that arrives on the border.
But how about those people who are hiding from gangs with criminals knocking at the doors? Are you going to abandon them?
@@johnc3525- The weapons being used by the gangs to terrorize the population are from the US. The US can easily stop the flow of these weapons to Haiti, why is it not doing it? In one hand it is putting ransoms on the heads of some of these gang leaders, on the other it is demanding that these gangs be part of the political process in Haiti. Which one is it?
So the gathering of young optimistic brilliant Haitians and foreign intervention but not from nations that previously intervened? Who who lead the talks since the PM doest have authority? Elections are impossible at the moment so now what. Im honestly confused on their position
These people like to blame everyone else but themselves for their problems. They had independence for 200 years and yet can’t pull themselves together. If it wasn’t for Haiti being a recurring failed state there wouldn’t be this need for recurring foreign intervention.
You mean to say, and ILEGITIMATE FAILED STATE, right?...So the blame is someone else's; and not the Hatian people.
@@Clueless2019 how can a failed state be illegitimate? That makes any sense? It is their fault as much as it is foreign intervention. I blame them more. Because foreign intervention only works with the collusion of the people and elites of the country so when will the Haitians take up their responsibilities? Even today they can’t be responsible actors.
Haiti, the only country in America in PERMANENT chaos and anarchy for 200 years. But is always “someone else fault”. Im glad the world is finally realizing the Haitian mentality issue!
If this is a phd profesor educated in USA, I want you all to imagine how uneducated pple in rural areas think.. wake up!!
There is this Haitian RUclips host (don't want to mention his name) that just last month was yelling and screaming for the immediate execution of gang members. He particulary had a distaste for the PM Ariel Henry. Now this guy is talking about Viv Guy Phillipe who is allied with the gangs and Viv Baberque, who is a Gang leader ? This is how crazy Haiti is right now.
Guy was also in jail for drug trafficking! What a great person, LOL
Jemina Pierre is simply rude and unprofessional for TV. First, Let people speak before cutting them off. Also, as a native Haitian myself; it is time to realize the population is suffering and we should be open to any alternative than can emerge to a solution. Stop the blaming game. What about we blame the Haitian politicians first, before blaming the so called international community. Each country is working towards their own interest, Haiti interest cannot be vested into the international community agenda before our own elected Haitian officials. That’s politics 101.
No worries South America is going to show how to run a proper government
I have not heard of anything being done about the instigators of this situation, namely, the so- called political elites and financiers! This seems important, in resolving this situatíon.
Wow they really came ready to deal with these international orgs.
I find it to be a bit of a red flag when someone tries to interrupt another person's Time of speaking in places like this
When that other person doesn't even have a clue of what's really going on in Haiti, then starts rambling away nonsensically, then interrupting her is the right thing to do.
So if there is no foreign intervention, who will bring security? the police is unable and army is basically non existent.
I mean the professor is correct a d naive. The question on the table is what can be done NOW stop the violence. Discussions on systemic harms and their causes don't stop bullets nor feed feed hungry stomachs. She is spot on in identifying the root cause but her emotions are preventing her from identifying an immediate solution...
What can be done now is for the US to stop the flow of weapons to gangs in Haiti. These weapons are from the US. Why doesn't the US doing that?
Every time one proposes a solution, youtube and the powers behind it block that comment. Therefore, if she proposed a solution, I don't think we would have seen this video.
She’s just there to pint finger, Haití got the opportunity for a culture revolution now o never
She doesn't propose a solution because she is not there.... her emotional bursts are immature in that she can't set the past aside and find common resolution to save that country.... if they were capable of doing alone without the help of international countries, it would have already been done. The saddest part is that these people are doing this to their own people....
@ternesiajackson7277 exactly! If self determination, was, in this moment, a reality for Haiti, it would have manifested by now. Her position would hold more weight if the conversation she so desperately thinks is necessary, was an impediment to a burgeoning Haitian leader or something... but there's no one there...just not sure how far a conversation on accountability and ownership will move the needle at this point
In Haiti now, there should not be consensus. We need a strong Government that can establish order with justice so everybody can follow.
No need for consensus. Otherwise, you’ll have the same people who have produced the mess in power.
Exploit and extract what?
Haiti should solve their own problems. No help, influence, money, resources, from the world. If you take ppl money it comes with their opinions.
Even if the situation devolves into something unthinkable, Haiti/Haitians figure it out for yourself.
Asking the US and its vassals to mind their own business is easier said than done? They simply can't help it, it is in their fabric. They are all around the world interfering in other people's affairs. When they are not carrying out coup d'états in other sovereign states, they demand for annulment of elections and imposing their own puppet as head of states (Ex: Haiti, Venezuela, Syria, Russia, Iran, ect.) Yes, we would like to take our destiny into our own hands, but how do you make these racist evil countries to stop interfering?
USA ,please stay out of Haitia .let them solve their own problem.
How are they gonna solve it, though?
That would be great if only the people that flee Haiti didn’t come to the USA then it becomes our problem.
@@johnc3525 See the final days of Easter Island.....
@@johnc3525 That's none of your business just stay out. We do not want you.
@@Syrzl9231Just send them back. Problem solved.
My respects and admiration for Professor Jemima Pierre. She is the real expert on the origins of Haiti's humanitarian, political and financial crises. Thank you for this interview!
That exactly the problem
Thanks for such a great show! However those Haitian political experts failed to come up with a solid solution, they’d rather beat around the bush the whole time while my sisters and brothers are being killed over there. With that being said, I understand their point of view ,but in order to stop the bloodshed that’s been going on in Haiti for quite a while now so we do need foreign intervention. We do need to find a solution right now!
It would be useful to understand why the Montana Accord seems to have been forgotten. Elections need to be carried out under appropiate conditions, which require a minimum consensus on a ten year agenda to help Haiti become a sustainable country.
The Montana Accord was a foreign empire attempting to install it's own government in a foreign country.
As a Dominican we are tired of this situation, our government should start thinking about finding law-abiding Haitian citizens who are looking to establish the rule of law and establish a government of the people and Start arming these folk to fight for their country with Dominican Armed force Aid.
God Bless Haiti! Feed the People as Jesus would!
Lalalala! Religious delusion! Like always.
Jemima Pierre a classic propagandists as you notice she adds “With guns drawn” as a misnoming pre-qualifier to foreign intervention when that is not even what was being discussed.
The solution to the crisis in Haiti is to train young Haitians in our armed forces to protect Haitians.
To suggest what the real problem is will get your comments banned
What is the real problem?
@@GrokEight, Haitians themselves.
@@hermanspaerman3490- No, we aren't. Haitians have not been governing Haiti for over a century, and this is since the US occupation of 1915-1934. To understand the root cause of the problem, you have to go back in history, 220 years from now.
@@polyglosystic., Always whining, always blaming others , never doing any introspection. I guess life is easier that way. Never try improve yourself or surrounding. Good luck with that.
@@hermanspaerman3490- Yes, Shlomo. If I answer you truthfully, another Shlomo holding the bully pulpit would likely ban the comment. Therefore, let's leave it at that.
Ma’am get on a plane ✈️ and lead. You setting out side the country in comfort criticizing . You have not proposed a plan to correct the issues of today. You should be ashamed of yourself. My daughters fear for their lives while set in comfort and yelling we don’t want outside intervention. The country is drowning! Gsssh
Here’s how they can start:
1. Stop blaming the US & France.
2. Take responsibility for your nightmare nation.
3. Come together and establish a political system with elections just like the DR plp did in the 70s right next door to you.
What is the alternative to intervention at this point? Here we have a clear example of a haitien intellectual, living abroad, though in her defense, the local scholars are no better- save Michel Soukar, on a soapbox speaking for the sake of speaking. These points have been made over and over against an intervention. Some novelty is required here; and for all her qualifications and smarts, she offers little but that which is obvious to all. In short there is no intervention currently and the situation is dire, edging on disasterous. Something must be done immediately and obviously haitiens are incapable of resolving the issue on their own. The good Dr.’s lectures make for stimulating discussions in classrooms, but on the ground in haiti, chaos reigns and a greater specter looms… 14:26
Minding your own business is a good option.
Haiti could become a success story like Rwanda if the Haitians get it together.
So each politician has his or her own gang and is funded by the West? You need a new breed of politicians who are virtuous and have Haiti at heart.
The first country to overthrow slavery 👏
Rwanda is currently invading and murdering people in the DRC under British sovereignty. That's their success story.
Why Haiti began and remains poor (pt 1 of 3).
During its colonial days, Haiti’s slave plantations supplied over half of the world’s sugar.
But after the slaves gained their freedom from the brutal regime and the country declared independence in 1804, sugar disappeared from the economy as small farms produced coffee, subsistence agriculture, and food for local markets.
In 1950, when Haiti was at least producing some sugar, its exports were far behind comparable countries: sugar exports in Puerto Rico were 35 times higher, and in the Dominican Republic exports were 14 times higher.
A common explanation for Haiti’s resistance to producing sugar is that Haitian culture rejected the industry because of the associated historical traumas. However Haitians went to the DR, Cuba, even Puerto Rico to harvest sugar cane so there was not much of a cultural stigma towards the sugar industry.
A major contributor to Haiti’s failure to restore its sugar economy was historical property rights institutions that created significant transaction costs to starting large-scale farms.
3 post-Independence property rights institutions: (1) a large redistribution of the former French plantations; (2) inheritance patterns on peasant land that gave every family member a veto right to selling it; and (3) a constitutional ban on foreigners owning land in Haiti.
But the property rights institutions in Haiti are important because they were not established by colonists; instead, they were created by a newly independent nation in reaction to colonists. These are post-colonial institutions.
From 1900 to 1960, sugar accounted for 76 percent of Cuba’s export value, 51 percent of the Dominican Republic’s, 46 percent of Puerto Rico’s, and 26 percent of Jamaica’s. Sugar contributed only 5 percent to Haiti’s exports. Less than 10% of Haiti's sugar production was exported whereas for the other Caribbean countries about 90% was exported. Since 1987 (demise of HASCO) sugar in Haiti has been a cash crop raised by peasants rather than by large-scale plantations.
Sugar Exported (Million lbs)
........Haiti....Dom.Rep....P.Rico....Jamaica.....Cuba
1900______1_______150________200_________2_______1,000
1910______1_______250________500_________3_______2,000
1920______2_______300________700________10_______5,000
1930______3_______550______1,000________50_______2,000
1940______4_______700______1,500_______200_______4,500
1950______5_______900______1,600_______400_______7,000
In 2014, on coffee:
Country__________________Haiti______Dom.Rep.____Cuba______Jamaica
Production (tonnes)______19,500_____13,500______9,000_____1,620
Export (tonnes)_________120______1,020________660_____1,320
Export/Production (%)_______0.6________7.6________7.3______81.5
Population (M)_____________10.4_______10.3_______11.3_______2.8
Area (1000 km^2)___________27.8_______48.7______110.9______11.0
If you speak to Haitians in Haiti. They want foreign support. It’s hard to find people against outside military intervention except activists like the women in video and certain politicians.
Jah & Jahes love. As, Dr. Pierre asked the other guest, which Haitian people are asking for the intervention? Who interviewed them? Where are they from? These are the same folks who descended from those who asked for U.S. intervention that led to the 19-year Occupation 1915-134. During that period, the U.S. pillaged Ayiti's treasury, T Roosevelt changed the constitution and there were countless rapes, genocide, and extermination.
They need a committee of people formed from each neighborhood to take information from the community and police their own communities with their own citizens. They need a mechanism of reward when they see or know of corruption. For example, you know a leader., police, any person is exploiting their community turn their name in, just a name. Then those that do this receive rewards like free meals, access to earning money, child care etc. once names are gathered a large group of citizens gather outside this person’s dwelling this group, arrest the person as a group. This type of action requires cohesion but can be done. It can get violent but for situations with gangs it gets worse before it gets better. 😢Sometimes it’s enough to target specific individual who are criminal linchpins to knock the breath out of corruption but “community correction” has a critical mass. Haiti’s community will correct itself, sadly it takes hitting the point where the communities band together and root out the disease. This is actually the time when this change can happen. As long as they think 🤔 people will interfere the communities won’t “community correct’. They need to let Haiti correct Haiti! If they love their communities they will ban together as a group that will outnumber any gang, guns and all!
What’s the solution?
Brics and the African Union.
@@simonjusticier333 Yes sir!
@@simonjusticier333OK, but that doesn't tell how you deal with the gang problem.
@@simonjusticier333How's that going to solve the problem?
@@tiredox3788 The Gang problem is the least of Haiti's many problems. The first Big one is the white supremacist powers: France, US and Canada. Tackle this first, then the Gang problem can be solved within 2 months.
Most likely, those "gangs" are professional, international criminal army that is financed and supported fully by.......
Jah & Jahes love. The G9 (a coalition of all of the mawozos) have high-powered weapons that were manufactured in the U.S. and they are often ex-members of the police and army. So, Dr. Pierre wants us to use the term "paramilitary" to define them. They are way more armed and organized than gangbangers. Blessed love.
All we hear is opposition to international assistance. Offer the solution already.
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Accountability!
They need to start teaching that in Haitian primary schools.
Hope my country stays out of this.
Unfortunately not, that aspect of our country is controlled as well by the same evil doers.
Accountability needs to be taught to ALL parties involved. As the record shows that the US, Canada, France, the Core Group have chosen to involve themselves in Haiti's affairs, the concept of accountability extends to them as well. You know what else needs to be taught and reaffirmed to ALL parties involved? The sanctity of national sovereignty.
No one wants your country in there either. You staying out is the war that is being fought for.
Do not expect foreign aide if you don't want them to interfere.... DO NOT ILLEGALLY CROSS INTERNATIONAL BORDERS IF YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO REACT!!! THIS IS OXYMORON!!!
@@ternesiajackson7277- "Foreign aid" eh?", there is no such thing, the term in itself is absurd beyond imagination. Frankly, I really feel sorry for you, you are a confused soul.
What’s happening, the community international only works with the oligarchs of Haiti. The oligarchs of Haiti and the community international are so disconnected with the community needs and lake patriotism. Yes, we need the community international help because there is no tomorrow without them in Haiti- any changes will be short term without them. There are too many assault weapons in circulation. They need to define what they are going to do in Haiti and for how long they will be there.
When France, United State and Canada ( the UN) asume their responsibilities.
don't think this convo achieved much but was interesting to hear different perspective 1 was against the force, 1 was for and another was indifferent to it. 1 was saying these gangs are not affecting Americans and they can leave and protect their embassy that is so valuable to them there why the need for intervention this is corruption and exploitation and gangster move by the u.s, france and canada
The international community put Haiti in the position of needs….
Haitian people need to change their way of thinking! Get over the past and think about the future.
Someone is sponsoring the gangs….WHO IS IT???!!?🤔
Jemima Pierre is such an important voice
No she’s not. She’s full of deflection and excuses. Monique Clesca is the one who is telling the the unbridled truth.
I thought the two complimented each other. Monique focusing on the Montana Accords and how foreigners have worked to undermine Hatian-led solutions. Jemima being intentional about identifying how the architects of the colonial/imperial issues are now pretending to be the problem-solvers. @@TheRenaissanceAmazon
I thought they complimented each other. Monique letting people know about the Montana Accords and how foreign powers have undermined Haitian-led solutions. Jemima reminding everybody that the same colonial/imperial powers responsible for using violence to exploit Haitian people and Haitian resources are pretending to be the problem solvers.@@TheRenaissanceAmazon
@@TheRenaissanceAmazon Yep, all she does is giving excuses and blames, but has no answer when asked about the solutions. Funny how they think what Haiti needs but HOW to do it a different story. You need resources on finances, polices, militaries...etc, and Haiti doesn't have it now. They need outside helps. The question is who would help you with no conditions? Basically, she wants others to help for free with no interventions and blame them along the way. This is a cynical world. That's the reality in life.
@@JustAnotherTopTenChannelThe Haitian people does not need your help stop forcing yourself onto a people.
Monique and Jemima for the W only 2 who were speaking facts and common sense.
Hail to Jemima Pierre! Such a strong and powerful, eloquent and erudite voice. We need more people like her. And Al Jazeera needs to invite and employ more people like her.
That’s all Haiti has is people like her. Talkers talkers(djolè-if that’s how it’s spelled)
NO to US intermission in Haiti.
Why don't u have this debate b/t ADOS and any serious Panafricans (Ncobra Naarc greg carr etc )against lineage based reparations
Jemima Pierre is the perfect example of why Haiti will stay poor. All she does is deflect blame and never actually talks about how to solve the problem…
Germany and Japan was given money to rebuild after world War 2. Haiti was robbed and plunder for centuries. One president ask for reparations and was removed by France and the US and flew to Africa
Every time people objecting to you doing them harms, then all of a sudden they become the problem, they are the one labelled by all types of adjectives. She is not defecting blame, she is simply asking for the colonial powers to let us Haitians take care of our own affairs and to stay out, why is this a problem? Haiti is a sovereign country and not a colony of the US and its vassals.
@@polyglosystic.The true voice of the Haitian masses is not being heard...you and Jemima Pierre does not speak for the Haitian masses who are being murdered ,kidnap and rape at gun point...the Haitian people need food and water NOW.. they need protection NOW.. you two seems have a disconnect from reality.
She said it well. Foreigners must stay out. They cannot be part of the solution since they are the problem. This time they have to stop. They make all kind of tricks for Haiti to in this situation. But one thing I know for sure Haitians will not take it any longer. Yes, US in particular and the rest of them must to be blame. Their democracy do not work for Haiti. They should stop. They are the real problem. It is a well organized plot with various agent to keep Haiti in this situation as a punishment for abolishing slavery and become the firs Black country 1804.
Sorry Gangs Needs Internationals & Caribbean Countries Leaders Support, For Ending The Violence.The More Is Better.
Politics will always be corrupted.
Just let Jean Bertrand Aristide does his terms. Joke aside, why is this is happening after Jovenel Moise’s death. Why is the community international cannot leave Haiti? What is in there? Food for thoughts.
Hati is freeing itself. Just watch ...
Hear, Hear, Haiti is free, humans are moving to care for them selves. No more colonialist.., !!!
I have absolute respect for Jemima and her representation. I would like to hear Dr. Paul Farmer's thoughts on the current situation..
The conversation here is relevant to the acute needs of inner-city areas, not the wider Rural Haiti. To presume that any intervention is automatically a confrontation upon Haiti itself is hyperbole, i'm afraid.
YES, if the current dire situation can create a platform to plan and allow Haiti's prosperous autonomy going forward... that's good.
But the need there is immediate and a discussion that prevents some responses to stabilize and make sure starvation does not occur is a road block, not part of a solution.
It's starting to get slightly old that None of Haiti's now over 100yrs of problems aren't in Some part their own making. I'm sorry if that sounds like an affront, but it needs to be said i feel at this point.
The amount of sheer resources that have flowed into Haiti in the past few decades is immense.
Balanced against their exclusion from the world commerce and travel, as well as the natural disasters they have incurred, a real argument Can be made as to whether they really can get themselves out of pure survival and up to a civil, prosperous state.
It's enough now of political or sovereignty dialogs..
There's a matter of Humanity here and Western Countries should not be bullied into not taking real action on behalf of the majority.
The most important thing, aside from specific immediate intervention, is to Finally raise the concern and recognition of the American people.
A Lot can be achieved, but not w/o People caring for People ~
Jemima Pierre - you only talk with no solution meanwhile the Haitian people end up on other people's shores. So of course otherwise will intervene to try and fix the solution.
Jemima Perrie upsets me, we keep blaming others when Haitians are the problems. Haitians are the cause of the majority of the problems not foreigners.
And what also bothers me is that there seems be a focus on the political issues in Haiti when the bigger problem is the gang violence and insecurity. We can’t talk about political solutions when people can’t even go outside without being gunned down. How can you vote if you are likely to get killed . There needs to be some type of force for peace and stability before can even talk about political solutions.
The question is -- where are the guns being used by these criminal gangs come from? I'll tell you, from the US. Can the US stop the flow of these weapons to Haiti? Yes, but why isn't it doing that? Could it be because these gang members are its agents doing its dirty works?
You got it all twisted my Brother. The Gang situation is one of the last tools used by the white supremacist powers: France, the US and Canada to destabilize Haiti and drive it it to the ground. Of all Haiti's problems, the Gang one is the easiest to solve, once the vengeance bent white supremacists' hold on Haiti is resolved.
That's never going to end, they will never agree to anything...😂
15:45 the professor from that university in British Columbia is doing Haiti a disservice. How does she expect Haiti to recover from what is going on without outside help? You can be proud but don’t be stupid. Haiti will never become better without outside help. It is a failed state and it will only get worse if the world doesn’t work together to help it.
It was the first black nation to free itself but now people only know Haiti as a failed corrupt country.
Stop being proud and think of solutions to fix Haiti. The Haitian people will never solve these problems on their own.
Voodoo certainly isn't the answer
If you want to see the importance of a border wall, google map the border between Haiti and Santo Domingo. One side is devastated and one side is lush. The look up Haiti garbage river on here.
So true
I just looked and I don't see the devastation you're talking about. Both sides are pretty green. There are also differences in rainfall between Haiti and Dominican Republic:
Why did the political, economic and ecological histories of these two countries - the Dominican Republic and Haiti - sharing the same island unfold so differently?
Part of the answer involves environmental differences. The island of Hispaniola’s rains come mainly from the east. Hence the Dominican (eastern) part of the island receives more rain and thus supports higher rates of plant growth.
Hispaniola’s highest mountains (over 10,000 feet high) are on the Dominican side, and the rivers from those high mountains mainly flow eastwards into the Dominican side.
The Dominican side has broad valleys, plains and plateaus and much thicker soils. In particular, the Cibao Valley in the north is one of the richest agricultural areas in the world.
In contrast, the Haitian side is drier because of that barrier of high mountains blocking rains from the east.
Compared to the Dominican Republic, the area of flat land good for intensive agriculture in Haiti is much smaller, as a higher percentage of Haiti’s area is mountainous. There is more limestone terrain, and the soils are thinner and less fertile and have a lower capacity for recovery.
@@johnc3525 However, you are not taking into account the massive tree-cutting that has left Haiti with single-digit forested areas with no environmental measures in place, while in the DR policies in place have implemented measures to keep much larger forested areas. Still, Haiti's central and northern areas enjoy significant rainfall and large swaths of the countryside produce bountiful small-scale agriculture that unfortunately is not enough for national food security.
@@flexx7543 oh I’ve taken it into account, and there’s a reason for everything. They’ve basically raped that entire end of the island.
@@flexx7543Ok, but unlike OP said I can't see that in Google Maps.
This professor Pierre is such a brilliant woman. Calling out Western hypocrisy and their desire to control Haitians.
So called international community on my foot 🦶 how can the cause solve the problems 😢😢😢
The U.S. should our corruption out of Haiti and let them run their own county!
This imperialist agent Renata Segura is from Colombia.
The same Colombia whose mercanieries killed Haitian President Moise.
No surprise there.
And the same Colombia whose drug cartels have been destabilizing Haiti to their benefit for decades. But nobody ever talks about that when talking about foreign meddling in the country’s affairs.
It's funny that young " National" Thinks she knows what's best but yet what has she done to help her people out? Whatever it is its obvious it's not working. Is she a politician? Have she ever risked her life for her people? Looks like to me she just talks...what type of influence or power does she have? As far as I'm concerned She doesn't know what's best for your people. I bet she's even live there. Probably lives in the states or UK. 😅
The cause nd foundation of the problem is Italy nd France Paris, America, Napolitano, Napoli, Taranto, Torino, Sardegna, Rome!! '?'? '?'? '?'? '?
The cause of this problem is Haitians. Haitians are in this situation right now because of Haitians. This is an unnecessary and ridiculous Haitian created mess. No one else is telling you all to run around and terrorize each other and r a p e little girls, stop food supply, etc. And I love Haitian people but all you do is run away from your country instead of staying to improve it but then you want to blame everyone else. Haiti is deeply corrupt from the inside. Y’all take zero accountability for that.
Everybody trying to see what they can put in their pockets.....nevermind the poor starving people
The US has to stay out of Haiti.
Dr. Pierre has a personal emotional experience. But we need solutions we have heard the history. But what are the solutions. What are the steps. The caricom nations are the first step in creating a task force. Caricom said any solutions should be spearheaded from the local people there on the ground
Any such solutions would be a temporary bandage. True International community (minus France, US and Canada) needs to come up with a comprehensible framework underpinned with a frim resolution that these 3 vengeance bent white supremacy powers have to get their filthy hands off the neck of Haiti.
The next move is to pressure Washington, D.C. to pass the Haiti Criminal Collusion Transparency Act (which will sanction the assets and visas of any Haitian elite that has ties to the gangs) and demand that the U.N. applies a weapons embargo on all Haitian elites. This will starve the gangs of weapons and ammunition. Then have Bukele train and guide Haiti’s army and police force to tackle the gangs while also supplying them with some trusted soldiers to work with the police force since the police force is outnumbered.
And then, this becomes a practical tool for the US to pull anytime to manipulate and harass the Leaders to force them to do their biddings - just as they are doing now.
US soldiers have no business in haiti, period!!!
So dont ask for money from the international community if there so bad!!!!
Deal.
Exactly. Haiti shouldn't have to ask. The international community should pay back Haiti the money they stole from them!
Who make that cruise in Haiti is the onu because they r giving weapons to the gang if they want to help stop getting weapons they r who have that crisis in Haiti
Dominican Republic is a reputable country, they value trees. Haiti has destroyed nearly all their forests. So goes the trees, so goes the country.
The Dominican Republic should annex Haiti. Or the two should merge as one country. It can be called the Hispaniola/Hispanic Republic, since the island containing the two is Hispaniola.
thing is they don't wanna reunite with Haiti they celebrate their independence from them