Palm Bay Club condo owners hire engineer says things do not add up

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  • Опубликовано: 7 фев 2023
  • Palm Bay Yacht Club condo residents hired and an engineer who says that the cost of doing repairs will not be as much as they first thought.

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  • @kk4649k
    @kk4649k Год назад +61

    Also left out that they were going to hire their sisterhood company to repair the building. This is a complete scam and fraud. They should all be sent to prison.

  • @steve_anderson
    @steve_anderson Год назад +12

    As a rule, I never take a guy standing on a couch and asking for 46 million seriously.

  • @Christine-dz6wh
    @Christine-dz6wh Год назад +60

    I’m rooting for the condo owners, enough of these SOB homeowners/management companies taking advantage of people.

  • @robinperronjones5024
    @robinperronjones5024 Год назад +44

    I commented on this issue previously, as a international construction professional it’s absolutely ludicrous that these costs could be true, it’s a total rip off and greed related. The original quote should be investigated for criminal fraud.

    • @mssha1980
      @mssha1980 Год назад +3

      Yea because it sounds like they are rebuilding the condo

    • @krisb-travel
      @krisb-travel Год назад

      exactly what i just said, the FBI literally investigated and charged someone i know who was a one man band selling party balloons, he spoke to a competitor about price and was charged with price fixing (they were monitoring his communications) and he had to pay $500,000 or go to jail. He was only doing about $80,000 a year in total revenue lmao, and the FBI deemed it worth their time to investigate. So if they have time for some small time one man shop selling balloons they sure as hell have time for this level of fraud.

    • @Ms.NoNo2
      @Ms.NoNo2 Год назад

      @@krisb-travel I looked up price fixing, but I’m still a bit confused. Why is it illegal to make your own prices as a business?
      Also agreeing with the competitor to have the same prices.

    • @dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
      @dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Год назад

      It's even worse than a misquote. When you live in an HOA, part of the money you pay is supposed to be set aside to take care of repairs. Since Florida has a 40 year recertification, I'd have to ask, what the heck was the HOA doing with the fees the people were paying for the last 40 years? They knew this day was coming!
      IIRC, the other engineer said there's only $23 million in repair costs. Well that still leaves peole with a nearly $90K bill each. Imagine you're retired and living off of your small nest egg and social security, then someone hits you with a nearly $100K bill. Many people simply couldn't afford that.

    • @robinperronjones5024
      @robinperronjones5024 Год назад

      @@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Very true, another entity that needs regulating to make sure major issues like this do not come to a financial shock to the members. Overseas this entity is regulated and the homeowners have a lot more say than the personal agendas that happen here. Also the entities overseas are dominated by the actual home owners who have a vested interest in the place where they live and look at long and short term issues on a yearly basis.

  • @tuomasholo
    @tuomasholo Год назад +52

    They need to vote out every single member because the HOA has already picked out a contractor. That is a clear conflict of interest.

    • @WindTurbineSyndrome
      @WindTurbineSyndrome Год назад +4

      Kickbacks to board

    • @williamhaynes7089
      @williamhaynes7089 Год назад +1

      Im sure that the board just made it so that the others would pay for their share of the repiars... Overchage and they would get their money back

    • @punker4Real
      @punker4Real Год назад +1

      Looks like an audit of the bank accounts is coming up, expenditures etc.

  • @phanna7492
    @phanna7492 Год назад +21

    Sounds as though the Condo Association needs to re-evaluate their contract with the Management Company.

  • @arhamvlogs8641
    @arhamvlogs8641 Год назад +16

    Fire the property manager and get a new one who will do it for cheaper.

  • @YanilleCastillo
    @YanilleCastillo Год назад +28

    HOA’s really need to be investigated their is so much theft and corruption and to be honest their assessment fees when. Ever they want don’t ever add up period .!! And I don’t live their I live somewhere else and feel same way in miami 🤦‍♀️

    • @carmenfarine3580
      @carmenfarine3580 Год назад

      HOA is high way robbery.and home owners can vote no to it🎉

    • @paxundpeace9970
      @paxundpeace9970 Год назад +1

      They wanted to contract a sister company that's the biggest scam.
      Clearly that building needs repairs
      Look at the concret in the underground garage but also electrical works have to be done in the entire building.

    • @YanilleCastillo
      @YanilleCastillo Год назад

      @@paxundpeace9970 last year they gave me a two week notice that I had to pay a extra $720 for September to December plus our regular $360 monthly HOA fee mind u only two week notice .. if not they would put a lean so my emergency fund was touched I now have maybe a month when I had 4 months of expenses saved 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

    • @marinalevy3364
      @marinalevy3364 Год назад

      today there was a court case and the news didn't

  • @jihanjude6634
    @jihanjude6634 Год назад +49

    Sue them! People are going homeless right now and this is flagrant abuse. The news needs to investigate this thoroughly and a class action lawsuit filed.

  • @allenwinkley9543
    @allenwinkley9543 Год назад +5

    I lived in Palm Bay in 78 and I almost got sucked into a condo ownership. So glad l bailed on that idea. You're at HOA's mercy.

  • @brandonmatthews4934
    @brandonmatthews4934 Год назад +27

    Condo is fancy word for apartment you don’t really own

    • @jasonscott4366
      @jasonscott4366 Год назад +1

      Thats completely untrue.

    • @mssha1980
      @mssha1980 Год назад

      You own it!! House or Congo you have to go maintenance

    • @wizard3z868
      @wizard3z868 Год назад +1

      thts like instead of rent you pay taxes i mean how can you own something that can be taken away if you dont pay extortion fee ?

  • @donotcare000
    @donotcare000 Год назад +10

    Sounds like fraud to me.

  • @user9b2
    @user9b2 Год назад +7

    Sue the management firm and maybe the board for they maybe in on the scam.

  • @cjramseyer
    @cjramseyer Год назад +15

    Great video. Another example to NOT buy a condo, and a great example to NOT move to Florida. Large buildings should have to go through an annual inspection, and failures at regular and proper maintenance should fall on the owner/property management company alone, not the owners. If regular maintenance is done annually, even at the owners expense, they will be far less and easier to keep in check. Waiting 40 years for recertification is why other buildings in Florida fall down.

    • @TheElectrocar
      @TheElectrocar Год назад

      We’re already starting to see a trend of net migration out of Florida as not only costs rise but also climate change leaves its mark. To maintain Florida’s infrastructure taxes have to go up especially as republicans say they don’t need government funds to pay for infrastructure improvements.

  • @Blog23345
    @Blog23345 Год назад +8

    They don’t like injustice when it’s applied to them SMH

  • @ethancook5705
    @ethancook5705 Год назад +7

    All of us are going to be priced out of the United States. Building construction is almost cost prohibitive. I am looking to retire in Panama, Brazil, Ecuador, or Colombia instead of Florida or California. Just too expensive to retire in the USA!

  • @LMays-cu2hp
    @LMays-cu2hp Год назад +1

    Thank you for sharing this story.

  • @gobbletegook
    @gobbletegook Год назад +3

    Condo sales will be down forever after stuff like this

  • @philliplewis3754
    @philliplewis3754 Год назад +4

    Maintenance, deferred maintenance, upgrades and repairs that have nothing to do with Recertification. It's time to replace your management company, they are about to give themselves raises!

  • @johnnychinstrap
    @johnnychinstrap Год назад +1

    If this is the same situation, where the HOA board and the construction company contracted to do the work were not at arms length, there should be a criminal investigation.

  • @mmland100
    @mmland100 Год назад +2

    I think you are going to see these types of expensive structural repairs being common for these older concrete buildings which are subject to coastal exposure. That was my experience with one association in Southern California and many homeowners had to sell their units to pay for the necessary repairs from the equity they had accrued over the years. It is really important to have a through inspection with licensed professionals before buying such a property.

  • @eckankar7756
    @eckankar7756 Год назад

    So how much IS the estimated cost for repairs now? Reminds me of that condo in SF that's tipping. Scary when your home is up in the air multi floors from ground level. Pressure below and pressure above..

  • @Me97202
    @Me97202 Год назад +3

    DO NOT trust your HOA. ALWAYS have an independent audit done before you pay any special assessment.

    • @YanilleCastillo
      @YanilleCastillo Год назад +1

      Hi I’m seeing this comment now what do u mean sorry for my ignorance to do a independent audit ? You mean like check their reserves ???

  • @marinalevy3364
    @marinalevy3364 Год назад

    why this isn't getting any news coverage?

  • @YanilleCastillo
    @YanilleCastillo Год назад +6

    And how can we prove those documents are even real it’s a nightmare

  • @backtoobasics
    @backtoobasics Год назад +1

    What are the monthly condo fees for if they are charging for this type of maintence?

  • @dontbanmebrodontbanme5403
    @dontbanmebrodontbanme5403 Год назад +1

    I've said this before and I'll say it again: I would NEVER buy a house with an HOA. Anything I do to my house, it's because I want to do it. There's no mismanagement of funds. There's no price gouging. Imagine you're 64 years old and you're living off of $300K worth of retirement savings and your social security. Together, it bring you $2,500 a month. You've just paid off your mortgage and you think you've set yourself up well for life. Then this condo board says, "Hey, we're going to need another $175K from you. You got that much money lying around, right?"

  • @DNeed77
    @DNeed77 Год назад

    A reserve fund is required for condos in Ontario, Canada with frequent engineering reports

  • @Imoutoftheoffice01
    @Imoutoftheoffice01 Год назад +1

    Sue the state we never needed recertification before

  • @tofuyam7361
    @tofuyam7361 Год назад

    Besides the questionable amount, did the HOA cheap up on fees to make the property more "sellable" rather than build a big reserve? It should be obvious that a recertification of a highrise concreate building in hurricane prone area will be X amount.

  • @oldcat87
    @oldcat87 Год назад +3

    Don’t pay the lawyers and let them dictate the repaired. Get the repairs done before another surf side tragedy

  • @Iconoclasher
    @Iconoclasher Год назад +3

    The question is, which engineer is right? Maybe they're both correct. If the objective of the first engineer is to bring the building back to "new" condition then the $46m isn't a bad price. However it's not necessary to bring it back to new. It needs to be structurally safe.
    The danger of paying too much is as great as paying a low-balled rate and getting a substandard job that may need to be redone. 👉Get a 3rd opinion👈

    • @irwinsaltzman979
      @irwinsaltzman979 Год назад +1

      Thank you . I wish the reporters could explain this.

  • @radolfkalis4041
    @radolfkalis4041 11 месяцев назад

    I saw this first elsewhere. IIR, the bldg is almost worth 46 million. The person the residents hired came in at 50% of the cost. Still absurdly high.
    Is ANYONE surprised the HOA added pork to this?

  • @carmenfarine3580
    @carmenfarine3580 Год назад +7

    Free advice don’t buy condos especially old high rise near salt water.

  • @irwinsaltzman979
    @irwinsaltzman979 Год назад +2

    The engineer provides repair requirements and estimates to bring up to code. The engineering report can be checked by hiiring a second engineering firm . Then the property manager should go out and get bids from contractors prior to getting the money from the residence.

    • @eggheadegghead
      @eggheadegghead Год назад

      it is the management's engineering firm and that management is the problem......

    • @marinalevy3364
      @marinalevy3364 Год назад

      they do have a second evaluation/ that is a lot lower than the one the association came up with.

  • @roachtoasties
    @roachtoasties Год назад +1

    Whatever it is, it will cost a lot. Finding some guy off the street saying it will cost less doesn't negate the fact the building needs repairs. Just looking at this video it's obvious the building has issues. Whatever it is, will probably require a good chunk of the condo owners to get another loan, which might be on top of any current mortgage and their high HOA fees. Nothing is cheap these days. Do your research before moving into one of these.

  • @me8042
    @me8042 Год назад +1

    That counts the massive kickbacks to the HOA board.

  • @jasonm.1370
    @jasonm.1370 Год назад +2

    looks like its time for a new board and property management. I would have hired a better attorney also...

  • @charlesstevensEnki
    @charlesstevensEnki Год назад +1

    Thank your governor.

  • @tvviewer4500
    @tvviewer4500 Год назад +1

    Tough to find places that are bad? What are all those jacks doing. There?

  • @sharongillesp
    @sharongillesp Год назад +2

    Kickback!

  • @calipdis2
    @calipdis2 Год назад +1

    It adds to the bank account and luxury desires of the HOA

  • @steveshea6148
    @steveshea6148 Год назад +1

    It was determined that 8 million tubes of JB Weld were required to shore up the structure. With bulk discount, that brought the price down from 65 million to 46 million. Those property owners are just big babies.

    • @punker4Real
      @punker4Real Год назад

      Flex seal sells it by the gallon or 5 gallons

  • @boatlover1875
    @boatlover1875 Год назад

    There's a bad moon arising in South Florida after the recent disaster. One bad deal that seems likely to have some external causes is going to cost billions in real estate value down there. Engineers hired to do these re-certifications are going to go way overboard to protect their reputations. We had one horrific collapse for sure, but it isn't like buildings are falling down all over the place. This wasn't even that tall of a building in the overall scheme. Common sense tells you it was either a design flaw or the result of nearby construction. They don't have their eye on the ball by a long shot.

  • @houseoffolly
    @houseoffolly Год назад

    Not that there are any kickbacks.

  • @kreepyits-o7761
    @kreepyits-o7761 Год назад +1

    Its always money and greed if I had $ a near $200,000 I could buy my moterhome and life a good life for a long time

  • @JobyJoby-iw2wr
    @JobyJoby-iw2wr 3 месяца назад

    The extra money was supposed to payoff local organized crime syndicates....

  • @teresaalford5978
    @teresaalford5978 Год назад +1

    These homeowners are smarter than the average bears!!!!!!!! Ban together you folks aren't drinking the koolaid!!!!!!!

  • @tuliolopez9749
    @tuliolopez9749 Год назад

    Sounds like there should be a criminal investigation

  • @bryant6524
    @bryant6524 Год назад +1

    Or, simply file for bankruptcy, run like hell, and never look back.

  • @JohnSmith-gi7qf
    @JohnSmith-gi7qf Год назад

    Oh I am sure one or some people are getting big kick backs from this enormous amount of money!! Follow the money people

  • @flybyairplane3528
    @flybyairplane3528 Год назад

    When,you are not able to afford the ‘COSTS’, THE BUILDING,MAY BE DESTROYED,AND ANOTHER ONE BUILT,BUT WHERE DO YOU NOW GO ? 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @King_leo
    @King_leo Год назад +2

    That is a blatant gangster steal. Thieves

  • @eptdy
    @eptdy Год назад

    She says "and be homeless" as if they can't move somewhere else. Weird how he's saying he can't find anything that's wrong when he's surrounded by parking spots that aren't parking spots but stilts used to hold the building up.

    • @punker4Real
      @punker4Real Год назад

      might be upside down on the payments

  • @jwarmstrong
    @jwarmstrong Год назад

    Better to start w/ a repair that covers everything then let the owners buy a cheap tix - what could go wrong ?

  • @tuck6464
    @tuck6464 Год назад

    From the board to the property manager to the township/re-certification division, I'm betting they're all dirty.
    Just get the invoices/ contract for incredibly excessive shoring jacks in the garage. That should give you a glimpse of the thievery they were preparing to commit.

    • @Rhaspun
      @Rhaspun Год назад

      I wonder what the property manager was going to spend the $46 million on. The necessary repairs are probably lower. But I wonder what else was the property manager planning on spending it on.

  • @k.m.9418
    @k.m.9418 Год назад +5

    HOA.... need I say more?

  • @joethompson297
    @joethompson297 Год назад

    These costs should have been factored into the leases from the start. Only now are they realizing the true cost of condo ownership

  • @sunghkim1587
    @sunghkim1587 Год назад

    Scams everywhere? Top to bottom across the country.

  • @At_the_Garden
    @At_the_Garden Год назад

    Why didn’t you mention what the condo hired engineer said was needed. I think it was half still 87,500 for each condo. If you add in the impact windows and railing amount other improvement that might be nice, and some condo owners want the two engineers might not be that far apart.

  • @mrparts
    @mrparts Год назад

    Keep in m8nd that even at 23 million for repairs to comply with the 40 year certification, this building has lots of deferred maintenance and things to repair, and these people can’t afford to pay the assessments to maintain the building, so property values will tank and these units are now underwater. No one will buy a unit in a building with an insolvent HOA.

  • @rubymckinley4909
    @rubymckinley4909 Год назад

    Crazy to live in that. After Turkey and Syria ??????

  • @marinalevy3364
    @marinalevy3364 Год назад

    please keep paying attention to
    this issue/ many florida folks will loose their homes

  • @candycoatedcyanide3267
    @candycoatedcyanide3267 Год назад +2

    Better yet don’t don’t buy a CONDO 😂

  • @multivisao
    @multivisao Год назад

    I bet these are the same folks that voted against condo fee increases to pay for future repairs…! Well…there’s no way out…

  • @nz6241
    @nz6241 Год назад +1

    never buy a condo, or live in a residential area with HOA.

  • @brettharman8921
    @brettharman8921 Год назад

    always have multiple entities report apples to apples-

  • @saythankyou111
    @saythankyou111 Год назад

    …oh that old con game….scare them out👀🇺🇸

  • @davidblaske6911
    @davidblaske6911 Год назад

    amazing. which is exactly why there needs to be an order put in to do that. thank me later.

  • @fillup40
    @fillup40 Год назад

    Never ever would I buy a condo in a highrise.

    • @williamhaynes7089
      @williamhaynes7089 Год назад +1

      then you will most likly never live on the beach in Florida .... thats about the only way people can afford to

  • @mtwhatley3253
    @mtwhatley3253 Год назад

    The company giving the estimate is playing off peoples fear of the recent building collapse. Who’s the construction company……. Gotti Inc?

  • @00SingleSeven
    @00SingleSeven Год назад

    Lol they thought they could get away with quick kick down money and have a happy retirement life

  • @WindTurbineSyndrome
    @WindTurbineSyndrome Год назад

    Time to find a good lawyer.

    • @punker4Real
      @punker4Real Год назад

      an accountant might be also needed

  • @eloratings
    @eloratings Год назад

    Sue the management ! That’s scam !

  • @keithsnider1958
    @keithsnider1958 Год назад

    You never truly own your home outright.

  • @KristinaTurnerAquarius
    @KristinaTurnerAquarius Год назад

    Sounds like that is what they are doing with my stolen money.

  • @oldcat87
    @oldcat87 Год назад

    Get out of the condos asap.

  • @creatorofgods1668
    @creatorofgods1668 Год назад

    Okay thank you.
    So don’t buy a condo you say?
    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @Dakblasta
    @Dakblasta Год назад

    Sue for extortion or something

  • @starmsjc
    @starmsjc Год назад

    And developers want to saturate our cities with more high rise condos. Also, some of these condo residents want to live beyond their means.

  • @leoverran311
    @leoverran311 Год назад

    Let it fall!

  • @ENTJ47
    @ENTJ47 Год назад

    DON'T PAY REPAIRS!!!

  • @roadracer1584
    @roadracer1584 Год назад

    Condos are a poor investment. This video demonstrates why. Rent don't own a condo. If there is a problem with the condo you can walk away if you're a renter.

  • @MrDCMiami
    @MrDCMiami Год назад

    RICO.

  • @peterbechard1900
    @peterbechard1900 Год назад

    Maybe they should have thought about not living in a place that will be under water soon Florida’s home owner insurance is outrageous because of the unrestricted building along its shores and other places most sane people would know structures don’t belong. So too bad so sad. Funny hearing somebody living in a high rise condo crying about possibly being homeless. Wonder who they all voted for and if they can connect the dots on why the state is going to hell.

  • @adamhall5024
    @adamhall5024 Год назад

    Don’t worry…..they won’t be”homeless “ 😂

  • @elelectrotech9374
    @elelectrotech9374 Год назад

    hostile takeover the structure is worth 40 million

  • @tinytim4657
    @tinytim4657 Год назад

    This is why I don’t like comdos

  • @greatestlover9180
    @greatestlover9180 Год назад

    It's better to buy a campervan

  • @craigbuchanan5294
    @craigbuchanan5294 Год назад

    Rip off

  • @TheElectrocar
    @TheElectrocar Год назад

    So much for Florida being cheaper. Biden! 😂

  • @Talkwithtina808
    @Talkwithtina808 Год назад

    Florida is a mess

  • @SN-zb7ew
    @SN-zb7ew 10 месяцев назад

    So how are you liking Florida now? And if Ron DeSantis was ever elected president, which he won’t be, this is what would happen to the rest of the United States

  • @preferanonymous2398
    @preferanonymous2398 Год назад

    The condo owner should pay for all the damage not the condo Residence

  • @lliamjurdom9505
    @lliamjurdom9505 Год назад

    They are ugly apartments, frankly $US350k would have been my estimate to make them even remotely appealing ...

  • @JoeSmith-be3ur
    @JoeSmith-be3ur Год назад

    IT ADDS UP JUST RIGHT
    3.5 MILLION LEFT OVER TO HIS
    COUSIN THE CONTRACTOR.
    THEY DO THE FAMILY SPLIT
    WHATS NOT ADDING UP?

  • @williamliddle4279
    @williamliddle4279 Год назад

    wire and concrete will not fix in folks

  • @manolososadavinci1937
    @manolososadavinci1937 Год назад

    I want to root for the condo owners but they are slow and laughable they are jokes but yeah whomever is in charge of the condo the real owner should be stripped of that building and shouldn’t be allowed to be an owner or have tenants but that would be justice and there will never be none here or there

  • @dev9998728750
    @dev9998728750 Месяц назад

    Do not buy condo in Miami

  • @charlacrawford6927
    @charlacrawford6927 Год назад +1

    Lol soooo glad i moved outta florida. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣