Sorry man, Necros would win, you ignored all of their abilities and what the marker actually does, and act like it's just a bomb, and you think they can only infect corpses, which just blatantly isn't true. Also, Isaac didn't beat the necromorphs, it was part of their plan to make him able to make Red Markers, aka artificial Markers. He didn't win, he lost, as seen in Dead Space 2 when the Red Marker is shown.
@@reaperox_ I never said he won. I said he could fight a whole army by himself. If you were going to argue with me, you actually have to listen to what I said. None of the powers of the necros will matter. They can all be permanently killed with guns. It is part of the law that if you damage the bodies to the point that they can’t function then they won’t. Only a few actually have any form of regeneration and that regeneration is limited. Destroying the markers which super earth can do from space will completely kill all of the necros. They literally have no way of winning. Telling me I’m wrong because I didn’t say what all the powers are without actually telling me how the necros could win is a very poor argument. I even said in the video that I wasn’t going to go over every power because there’s over 60 enemies in dead space. The issue you have with the video is explained in the video.
man they unironically loose to the fire nation, they have zeppelins with bombs that can bring down the control titan, and they can still burn a significant amount of titans
The grenade thing is actually Illuminate propaganda. I mean, really, giving kids GRENADES to SUICIDE BOMB the squids? Come on, we’re not barbarians! We give them C4.
Exactly! Grenades!? Really? I thought we moved past that neanderthal behavior. C4 provides a much bigger explosion, ensuring the possibility of Little Timmy taking down a Harvester by himself.
About the Serious Sam conclusion : Helldivers's presumed psychic resistance really REALLY sounds like WH40K fanatism being used as a shield against chaos's corruption.
No, because Helldivers are resistant against my control by the illuminate. We don’t know why. The fanaticism is maybe one possibility that I said I wasn’t stating as fact. All we know is they’re resistant. The Warhammer 40k argument is them trying to find loopholes. Mine is looking for an explanation of something we know to be true.
@@carlosvicenty-9856 I do, actually. He's a character made up by gooner Helldivers fanboys like you, who'd slit their wrists if they actually had to admit Helldivers isn't that strong.
@ you used gooner wrong that means Simp I’m not a Simp and two he’s a Canon character in the developers have said that what the community makes about him is Canon he’s basically the Chuck Norris of hell divers he can’t lose do I think he could kill the hulk no just cause I like the hulk so the odds are even, he’s literally unbeatable invincible unstoppable God because of the community and plus it was a joke not only that there’s literally already a John hell diver character in marvel squirrel girl who was way before John hell diver but nobody has a problem with her She’s literally one V one Thanos the man who can go toe to toe with the Hulk and whooped his ass not only that she made a doctor doom cower in fear the man who went toe to toe with world breaker hulk and looked down to him and yet people love her, but when I make a joke about John holdover, it’s no I am a stupid Gooner
Now that I think about it, Eren would probably love to be a Helldiver, or at least love the exploration aspect of it. In AOT he stated he wanted to explore the world with Armin and was slightly disappointed when he learned the world was already explored. Now he has the entire galaxy to explore with Super Earth "backing up" his desire for Freedom
I know a lot about deadspace, and you missed the most dangerous part of the bretheren moons or more accurately the markers, the markers influence works even if you know its working on you. It isnt subtle influence only either, outright controlling what people see and taking control of their bodies. Sure, the necromorphs and the bretheren moon might not be able to do much, but when casualites come from helldiver's turning their guns upon eachother thinking they are killing necromorphs or when they kill themselves with it, thats a different story. And you know that super earth is going to replicate these babies like wild, increasing the signals strength and power to absolutely dominate everyone below. Isaac, being fully aware that nicole was made by the marker, still listened to her and went to the yellow marker in the second game, then in the third, he turned the machine off because it trickes him into thinking that yurning it off was what the machine wanted and it was the source of the signal. Going into the fall of titan as well, nolan only ever encountered a fragment of the first marker we saw and could also create markers, killed his family and began an outbreak upon a ship before beig recovered. The necromorphs arent the danger to super earth, but their own belief in super earth is as the signal uses that belief to make them destroy their own stuff and kill their own people. Super earth would have to destroy every marker or quarantine their locations, kill anyone who knows about it, and destroy all data on it or risk all of their stuff falling to the signal. That is to say, super earth would fall because they would make and spread the markers whose infinite energy could be used for all of their stuff, then lose control and hundreds of thousands of outbreaks per planet decimate them. In the end, neither side wins, since those, like isaac and ellie, would probably just nuke everything, leaving truly dead space where not even the farmer bretheren moons remain
I didn’t miss that I directly covered it. I stated that the illuminates have literally the same thing. They have massive towers, and it turn human being into voteless. Mindless zombie slaves of the illuminate. HD’s are highly resistant to this. It gives them a bit of a headache and causes some confusion. That’s it. They will be highly resistant to the markers and can even bomb them from space which will kill all necros in the area.
@@rougarabid You misunderstood how it works, that is what I was saying. It doesnt work like the illuminate "Do this", its different by making you want to do a thing based on your own beliefs. Unitologists believe that the markers adn their signal will ascend them, they dont see horrific monsters, they see evolution. The same principle applies to Helldivers. they would see eachother as monsters, maybe hesitate or more likely not, and still kill swathes of eachother. They would also work in favour of the markers as they believe super earth is the one giving them their commands, it isnt "Oh, but this is what people you believe in told you" or weak in any way. as far as we see, NO ONE is immune to it except possibly Ellie, and even then, that may not be the case. We dont know what was happening with ellie in the games, and the books may say shes immune solely because of a genetic resistance gained by people who were exposed so long to the marker that they did gain immunity, that is only in the books. we dont see evidence on any humans of their instanity or manipulation except Isaac and nolan who came into contact with the marker, and Carver who did not come into contact with the marker until after his visions, a man who was single mindedly against them far before he encountered them and still succumbed to them. devotion is the issue, a weakness NOT a strength against teh marker signal. You waid it was a lesser form, but the Illuminate have the lesser form considering it DOESNT work on everyone. The marker signal affects different people differently, sure, but it DOES affect all people. Isaac, an engineer capable of replicating the Marker, was capable of understanding the marker signal and thus its creation, but most people dont and end up like the average person, while still Unitologists and scientists who think they can control it are tricked into doing tis bidding without the terrible nightmares since that would go against the Marker Signals goal of self propagation. The ONLY reason that the markers were halted by humanity was because the SCAF literally killed everyone, had protocols in case anyone tried to not, destroyed any adn all ability to change anything, and prevented anyone in the future from trying to make things work. The aliens on the world also failed, and they were far more advanced than Super Earth is currently, just limited to a single world because they didnt need to expand outwards with infinite resources at their fingertips, realizing the danger all too late and failing to kill the formign bretheren moon due to its influence, thus the machien was stuck in a half way point. As stated before, I heard that you said that super earths mental training or seeming resistance to the Illuminate who outright dominate minds is better than the subtle manipulation of the Marker Signal, but you failed to notice that NO ONE CAN ESCAPE the marker signal. Everyone is affected, everyone succumbs, mentality adn will mean nothing, intellect determines if you become a creator and sacrifice like Isaac, a clever hunter like the Unitologists, or a simple pawn to make bodies like everyone else including Carver, who, need I remind you GOT FULLY DOMINATED and couldnt move. I agree with everything you said except the power of the Marker Signal becuase there is nothing like the Marker Signal anywhere. Worse yet, the Ministry of Science would be crippled at best and a threat to all of super earth due to its patience. SCAF made hundreds, as did EarthGov, and sent them across EVERY colony, and the latter even knew of the danger of the Markers, adn you are telling me that Super Earth wont make the same mistake as SCAF would with such a lucrative thing? It doesnt act right away, but it doesnt need to, and it doesnt want to. It is only noticed far too late, and the connection between the two is only noticed far too late. SCAFs only saving grace was that they couldnt make them on mass scales, thus could hide them in places like Aegis 7 where the original takes place, but as shown on Dead Space 3 and even 2, EarthGov had no such reservations. I dont think its a wipe, but both would eventually succumb to eachother, no mass or so little it doesnt matter for the Markers, while Super Earth crumbles in on itself, unable to resist its own onslaught.
@@storytellernegative1it doesn’t make you do anything based on your beliefs. It psychologically messes with you to do what it wants by exploiting weaknesses to make you crazy send more susceptible to influence. All of Super earth are fanatics that wholeheartedly believe in super democracy. It’s harder to brainwash an already fanatic, hence why the Illuminate brainwash is better. Besides, it doesn’t really matter when super earth can blow up planets. Being a “GAWD” Is only relative of your power to everyone else’s. You ain’t a GAWD anymore if you can get oneshot.
@@storytellernegative1Yeah he doesn’t understand how the Markers work and underestimated them, you did a good job explaining it. Not to mention there’s no evidence they can resist the type of mental manipulation, hallucinations, and being thrown into a mental world to fight to escape or end up killing your self like in 2 or having reality and your mental world being confused as in 3. Also the type they resist is just simple mind control and it’s via nanomachines it is not the same at all. Also the fact is humans in Dead Space evolved next to a marker which guided most of their evolution but not all of it cuz they existed and came to exist on their own so it’s stated they have a built in defense which is why you see your loved ones warning you to an extent before it’s too late and even then they fall, even the most intelligent people and aliens fall eventually, only the people immune like Lexine are unaffected.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls It is also debatable and genetic to the immunity. I think I mentioned it, but Ellie is theorized by many to be immune, as well as who you said Lexine, those directly next to the Black Marker on Earth became, not exactly immune but Immune to lesser markers due to the proximity to the Black Marker. Even then, they still succumb to the black markers which, as far as we are aware, are indestructable unlike yellow and red markers, being made of (I believe) 113 and bizmuth respectively. Black Markers are made of something entirely else we dont know about, and our black marker wasnt even meant for us, it was meant for a different planet and we got in the way, thus the near extinction of our planets life when the dinosaurs died.
We had automatic rifles in World War l. Honestly, the technology between World War I and two is damn indistinguishable. There are a couple differences, but the two wars were only 21 years apart.
@@rougarabid there are what looks like maxim machine guns that appear in aot. The biggest difference s between ww1 and 2 are more widespread semi auto guns, higher number of light machine guns, better vehicles (ships, planes, tanks, cars etc.) And better radio communication. Also wmore reliable equipment
Having a termanid charge me missing its head and half its limbs after making a breach call without its head…. Ya necromorph durability feels run of the mill
Also in Deadspace, at least what I played, your weapons aren’t really military grade. You starter weapon is pretty much just a tool repurposed as a weapon. Helldivers don’t just have military weapons, they have the best of the best the SEAF have to offer.
The concept of killing isn’t really a factor to Necromorphs cause they’re already dead. It’s really just semantics. Making them incapable of fighting is the same as killing them.
@@michellecarvajal9551 no they can’t. Very few necros actually have regenerative abilities. If you destroy the body to the point that it can’t function, then it won’t. Didn’t even mention how destroying the markers which super earth can do from space will completely kill all necros it’s created. Super earth can deal with this issue in an afternoon.
Yeah, in the DS lore it doesn't matter how much a corpse is mutilated the cells are amalgamated into something new. That said, helldiver's have a pretty good record of atomizing themselves and everything around them. Only problem is if super earth tries to study a marker it would likely infect the military brass, with suicide and psychosis. IDK, is it possible for super earth to destroy itself?
Fun fact EA GAMES Could have made a star wars cross over with the Necromorphs and Brethren moons ( In the old lore of star wars They would Fit perfectly )
@@jaydawg116No he’s saying that the AOT map is flipped and reversed of our real life map and Madagascar on their map is where Garmany would be on our map.
Hey Rouga. Gotta say, I love your attitude and disposition that you bring to this channel. You are by FAR the most unique channel I am subbed to. Despite your smaller size, you still put out a great amount of quality! If you dont already, I hope you feel proud of your work man! Keep it up!
Pride isn’t the right word. I enjoy it. But there are other things I want to do in the future and won’t feel pride until I accomplish that. Writing a comic and creating a web series are two things on that list. I intend on using what I’m doing now to fund that. I do enjoy what I’m doing though and I don’t plan on stopping anytime soon. I appreciate the support and I’ll keep trying to bring you entertaining shit.
@rougarabid Thats awesome! I wish you nothing but the best in your endeavors, Rouga. And in the meantime? As long as you stay yourself when you make these, you'll make entertaining content. You do you, man.
Helldivers Universe vs. 40k universe, every faction! Space Marines/Imperium, Eldar, Orks, Tyranids. Like Super Earth's entire cluster of stars is moved into the 40k universe. East vs. West style. On the one side the Helldivers Universe, on the other side, the 40k Universe. You have an ENTIRE series here. And not only that you have both the algarithms for 40k and Helldivers together meaning it would likely be your most watched, (AND AWESOME) series. Of the top of my head, I don't think the Helldivers are going to flat parish in this setup, in fact I think they're better set to survive than the Tau. You also have interesting secondary matchups. Illuminates/Eldar/Tau. Or Termanids meet Tyranids, Cyborgs and Necrons. Super Earth in its zealous patriotism meets the Imperium in its religious zeal. You're one of the only people impartial enough to give this story a fair shake without downplaying either side.
That honestly would sound pretty fun. Dropping the entirety of the helldivers universe as it is now into 40k. Like Super Earth, the Automatons, all the Illuminate and Terminids into the 40k setting with the planets, the gloom and all. What would happen?
Not to be a party pooper, but the hell divers wouldn’t last long they would probably just be taken in by the imperium of man, or just overwhelmed by pure numbers and killed but the aluminate and the bugs would be interesting, because imagine the kind of things the bugs and illuminate could do
@@carlosvicenty-9856 I disagree for several reasons. One example is the Tau, the tau are far worse positioned to survive than Super Earth and yet here they are still around. Another is that Super Earth is huge, super mobile and have a vast fleet with a travel method that would allow them to outmaneuver the larger and scarier forces of the Imperium. Not to mention the Helldiver's weaponry, armor and tactics are competent, strong and efficient. The ones who'd likely be in the most trouble from this would be the Automatons and Termanids. And who knows how Super Earth would react when their bug oil runs dry because their neighbors ended their careful forever war.
@@Hanashibi that is true the thing is there’s one problem super earth are humans the Empire loaves capturing humans and taking their technology and do you wanna know why because they can’t advance their own technology so imagine the imperium of man discovering that this super galactic power got transported to their universe, and now they have an opportunity to get these super powerful, handheld weapons that could enhance their forces tenfold by allowing just a normal guardsmen to be able to take down a space marine with a handheld weapon they would absolutely jump at the opportunity to rip super earth apart and take over would it be easy no but they would be able to get super earth technology it wouldn’t be easy mostly because super earth would just keep on running away
@@Hanashibi The thing is, the bugs can’t actually die they are fungus meaning, as long as a single spore is in existence the entire species can be remade basically from the ground up not only that the gloom because of that bad boy cannot be entered by super earth ships meaning it gotta be pretty fair not only that you can move meaning the term with basically have a permanent staying house unless for some reason of faction decides to rip them apart because the imperium of man wouldn’t because they can’t advance their technology meaning they can’t give faster than light travel again now many factions would even want to go after them except maybe the green boys and the bugs but that’s really it
To be fair, the Pulse Rifle in Dead Space is Millitary-grade and doesnt really do shit, and the reason mining equipment was used is because it was noted to be more effective at hacking off their limbs than guns.
True but there’s just to many things in the helldivers aresenal to really argue There are high explosive,acid,fire and plasma guns Machine guns,rpgs and stratagems And the guard dogs who I think would be insane against the necromorphs
On the note of serious sam: Helldivers aren't even the main force, we just enable the main force to progress to areas so they can liberate it. So imagine you send an army, it gets absolutely crippled by just 4 people and then the actual army of your enemy arrives
I think it could be a stale mate or they would make a deal of kind but the hell divers would probably wipe the lower ranks and then eventually go back to the stalemate or the deal because the lamb and goat are basically immortal no matter what they can escape prison dimensions and they can’t die because they are death gods same with the bishops
They haven't been bested because Rouga is a mentally handicapped lemur with a keyboard. The reason he says neither game ever loses is because he goons to Cult of the Lamb and Helldivers like its his religion.
@@WhatdoyoucalablindgermanAnosee One problem though, the Helldivers can just blow up the planet once they realize the gods can't be killed. ALTHOUGH, that might be a huge mistake since They'd have a bunch of angry gods who are really angry at them roaming through space. The thing that interests me the most though, is whether or not the Lamb could indoctronate a Helldiver.
Now hold on. I know it's been a hot minute since I've played dead space, but isn't it a huge thing about the Markers is them making the living people go crazy? I feel like that would be a huge thing to mention here. EDIT: I'M DUMB HE ABSOLUTELY WENT OVER THIS IGNORE THIS COMMENT.
@@rougarabidNevermind, I must not have been paying attention at that point. I rewatched it and the helldivers absolutely resist the mind control hax and would need a lot more time to get done in by them than the helldivers would let happen. MB bro.
@@stormfang9208plus the illuminate brainwash is a lot stronger than dead space’s. It’s like a competition of strength vs skill. Illuminates can fully mind control an individual to a blank slate while the markers surgically poke them in the right places until they decide to do what the markers want. Ultimately, skill is just a proper utilization if strength, and the Markers are playing big time catch up.
@@tchoythao1730This is wrong and ignorant. The Helldivers resist a different type of mind control, it is through nanomachines that infect and control them, it doesn’t work or target the mind the same way. Also you clearly don’t understand how the Maker’s work they do not try to control your mind completely to make you a slave at least no as a human, they are using it to drive you insane to manipulate you into killing others or yourself, they can manipulate your mind with hallucinations to follow their lead or trick you into helping them, they can mess with your perception of reality but the most intense abilities are shown in 2 & 3 where they can imprint in your mind to trap you in a mental world where you fight for survival if they kill you there then you kill yourself, and they have been able to make the mental world mix with reality to make you see and get hurt by things that are not there cuz your mind is being manipulated through the signal. Helldivers have never been shown to resist such manipulation or the mental world bullshit, so this is a flawed comparison. The Marker tries to work the long game and be subtle at first but it can just skip to where shit hits the fan as seen in DS3, their minds would be overwhelmed with noise and hallucinations and confusion and trauma to even think, even the smartest would be manipulated let alone the average soldiers who can be tricked to kill each other. People downplay Dead Space too much.
The Flood are fascinating for Versus shit because they start at a more managable power level, quickly take on the capabilities of the enemy, and become this reality warping entity that can do all kinds of shit that is so fucked and esoteric that a civilization that casually uses other dimensions as batteries like there Rick Sanches cant tell whats even going on exactly. I get why there lumped together with Necromorphs on a thematic level but they are just so much more imposing when it comes to most matchups.
Imagine you’re just chilling in your house and hundreds of hellpods drop in the middle of your street before armored gunman start planting orbital strikes and blowing up everything in sight
@@rougarabidHow did yesterday’s video do? We need a part three because I want to see you talk about Lord Zedd and Skeletor teaming up or the DOOM demons beating up the Masters of the Universe
Yeah, I mean the helldivers are really outfitted and they can generally just destroy entire planets if they want it to but they're not stopping the necromors. The thing about the necromors are you can't kill him. You literally cannot kill him unless you just completely atomize them when you're dismembering them. That's just to slow them down. That's not stopping them the aesthetic of the gameplay when you return the reason the bodies aren't there isn't because you know they despond. It's cuz they're alive. They can turn any amount of biomass to different forms. Not to mention the most OP thing about the necromors is you don't need to be infected by one to become one. If you just get crazy enough by the marker signal, you'll just start killing your teammates
I touched on all this already. Helldiver’s weapons incinerate enemies and there is already technology in the HD universe that are massive pillars that mind control everyone in the area and drive them insane. The HD resist this. The black markers would do virtually nothing to them, but give them a slight headache. Also, your premise is wrong. It stated in the late that if you break down the body to the point that it can’t operate it won’t. No the Necromorphs do not get back up after being shot to pieces. That’s headcanon. In fact, destroying the markers make all Necromorphs in the area drop dead. They can’t function without one. All super earth would have to do is destroy all the markers from orbit and the necros are done.
You see there’s one problem the hell divers were able to fight something called a great eye Those things could quite literally mind control entire civilizations that are vastly more intelligent than humans and hell divers would one V, for these bastards all the time and win and take the mind control Not even the brother moons could mind control the hell divers not only that the average hell diver can literally punch through Tank armor meaning, on ironically, a normal holdover could fist fight multiple Necro morphs and win, and he would quite literally just completely annihilate their entire brain with a single punch, and just rip them apart physically if that’s not enough for you, they can also punch through titanium like really easily so they are vastly physically superior to literally almost every single Necro morph besides the biggest ones
I believe the brethren moons would actually win... in the long game. Now hear me out, Super eart loves incorporating and stealing tech from defeated enemies. A revolutionary nigh 100% efficient power source will get their interest, and they will spread it. Eventually, they'll probably make mini black markers to power guns or something. At that point, the mental effect the markers have on the sentient creatures might cause critical mass to be reached.
They already have a revolutionary power source that they get from the Terminids. They aren’t stupid. The illuminate also have massive towers that are used to mindfuck their people very similar to the black markers. They destroyed them. It will be no different for the black markers.
I think it's a 50/50 depending on who gets placed on the frontlines against the necromorphs. A more greedy general trying to get on par with Brasch (good luck) might see the black markers as a big win and try to install them in places. And obviously, if they spread far and wide enough, they'd affect the civilians first, just like with the illuminate. The thing is, you can't really run a war or multiple wars when your infrastructure is getting overrun by hard to kill zombies. But ultimately, in a fair one on one, with no handicaps to Super Earth, they win 99/100 times. I feel as though I should also mention that the markers or moons or whatever can manipulate the dead meat on a much higher level than you give them credit for. They can create infinitely regenerating warriors that are "pulling new limbs from their democracy hating posterior." implying that, at the very least, they can manipulate cells in the air to reform into limbs and warriors if they'd be so obliged.
One problem holdovers are vastly avenue to mind control because of the illuminate something called a great eye They could mind control entire planet by themselves of a species vastly more technologically, advanced and smarter. Instantly hell divers were able to one V one these bastards and win and take their mind shenanigans Meaning it’s debatable if the markers would even affect hell divers and even if you say they could get mind controlled, it would take vastly longer than anybody else in dead space even Isaac Clark which mind you he was able to fight a brother moon you get the point
I have in the past. I think I do in this video too once or twice. The reason why I say super earth and not Helldivers is because I am, including the SEAF. If I was only talking about HD I would just say HD. So just know that the SEAF ARE DEFINITELY A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
I’m almost entirely certain that you are mega wrong in regards to how the necromorphs work. They are called necromorphs which yes, implies corpses. There are several instances in dead space where people are still alive but corrupted by *the corruption* as it’s called. The wheezer guys that change the atmosphere of planets by breathing out contaminated air, the wall guardians that scream in pain and anguish, and probably 1 or 2 more examples. We also see first hand in the games that people get “infected” by the infector necromorphs instantly upon the syringe being stabbed into the body. In the scenario where you grant that a marker is present on super earth, its influence is a bit more subtle than you may give it credit. It could spend literally any amount of time it would need to influence the minds of human society, getting them to build more markers because of the amazing “free energy!” They provide. Super earth wouldn’t know that the marker is made be a malevolent sentient entity and would likely be all over building more markers for that energy. Then like flipping a switch, the markers legit change humans into necromorphs. It’s not like a morgue is at the center of every necromorph outbreak. Living people get converted into the first necromorphs, who then go around killing and converting people. I could be wrong on a minuscule detail here or there but I wanted to air my beef that I don’t think you gave the necromorphs a fair shake nor an accurate representation. Whether what I’ve said here would even have an effect on the conflict is something I do not know, and without granting that the marker already has embedded into human society there is zero chance out of infinity that helldivers would lose. Liked the vid overall though and was entertained thoroughly
Look it up, man. It’s specifically stated in the Lore that the Necromorphs only take over corpses. This is why Isaac never gets infected despite interacting with all the things you listed.
@ “The infection is also spread directly through the Necromorph pathogen - that is, the reanimated cells created by the Markers and which compose the Necromorphs. Typically, it is rapidly passed on via specialized Necromorphs such as Infectors and Swarm Infectors, which implant the material directly into corpses. As the Necromorph pathogen infects only necrotic tissue, living victims who come into contact with it typically do not undergo transformation unless it is inserted directly into their bodies, in which case they will undergo a gradual transformation as they slowly die, their internal organs being killed off and taken over one by one.[14] This can be seen in the case of Brant Harris, who transformed into a regenerating Necromorph, and in the case of S.C.A.F. soldiers who consumed Necromorph flesh, causing them to turn into a Wendigo-like Necromorph form known as the Feeder.” Source: deadspace.fandom.com/wiki/Necromorphs To level with you, I’m not trying to be an internet fucko who is incapable of seeing I’m wrong. It does seem like dead tissue cells are what primarily drives the transformation, but this quote here does show that infection of a more conventional form is possible. Again, I don’t really have an argument to say the helldivers would lose without a marker present on their planet before the start of conflict. If anything I guess I’m arguing that some of the points you made seem off and it would perhaps be a closer run event than it at first appears. Ultimately the helldivers might lose a single planet to a necromorph outbreak but then they just fly over with a fleet of destroyers and say “bye bye planet” with nuclear fire
@@rougarabid One Issac is The Main Character so plot armor, second there are instances of the Yellow Bacteria turning healthy people into Infectors, then you got Roanoke who did videos describing it and the biology of each mutation, second reason how Corruption is made is well dead skin cells it's why the Aegis Coloney had so much so fast, also it's literally stated destroying a Marker doesn't stop the Signal then outbreak starts again, the problem with the Signal your evolution is made by a Black Marker, Super Earth finds it then creates Red Markers, you're getting outbreaks, secohd even objects based on a Marker has the etchings still in it so any Marker Religion made during Super Earths history when it's time for Convergence signal does the influence, Infectors are a fast method of Yellow Bacteria spreading but the Signal does spread it the reason Issac wasn't turned was due to being Smart so his is different and now has the Markers blueprint, but you can't kill Necromorphs the fuckers come back, it's implyed you killing one you already killed that basically respawned from the Corruption but it's over when a Brethren Moon is formed because then you can't press the button to game end it, then you got others showing up then the effect is 20x worse, using the Black Hole method might make shit worse because it's implyed thd Moons are basically Vessels to some Eldrich horror Higher Dimensional being, and Lot of Times Black Hole equals you give it a better 'vessel'.
One problem super earth has already fought some thing that has vastly superior mind control powers to anything in that space great eyes from the first game. Those bad boys could literally mind control entire planets of illuminate meaning, even the average citizen would be basically completely immune to mind control from dead space even if you don’t wanna give them back the illuminate or vastly more intelligent than humans as you know, they’re thousands of years older meaning hell divers could just shrug off the infection
so like the big thing about the markers is that they make you go fucking insane they'll make you confuse your fighting and start going on a rampage and this supposedly goes on a massive scale whenever it does happen
I think super earth will figure this out pretty quick and just destroy the brethen moons when they detect them, they have ftl technology and interstellar information networks, there's no reason to even get close to them.
In Attack on Titan: Ymir found Yggdrasil, the Norse super tree that is the BACKBONE of the universe. She entered the tree's SPINE and fell into the water (spinal fluid) inside. Therefore.... um, front giants / Titans?? The tree (Founding Titan) has roots (the paths) that connects all the descendants of Ymir
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I don't think Helldivers have resistance, just maybe the Illuminate have to go through a process, so they'd have to like capture a Helldiver to turn them into a voteless.
We know the illuminate mind control their entire population. They don’t have to kidnap them and put them through any process. This mind control does not work on HDs.
@@rougarabid different physiology? Illuminate willingly accepting procedure? I mean, it's logical, but I don't think it's a sure-fire answer that Helldivers have mind control resistance. Don't get more wrong, I'm sure they're so democratic that they do, but I don't think that's the reason why.
Helldiver maneuvering gear would go so hard, If it has those capabilities when made out of steel and powered by compressed air one can only imagine how effective it would be when made out materials that are not only far lighter and stronger but also have a myriad of other beneficial properties powered by the most condenced power sources that super earth has deemed both safe and cost effective enough. Thats before you even pair it with a jump pack and the insane durability and strenghth Helldivers have in there armour.
When you put Necromorphs last I thought they had some crazy weird time looping or crazy sci-fi king fu they gain in like comics that I didn’t know about to stand a chance against the Helldivers. Turns out they are just kinda bad zombies
@@turtlekappa7141I mean, I played the game, and in the words of Slimesicle, "Hey, hey, come back! HEY GET BACK HERE! YOU'RE THE MONSTER! COME BACK HERE AND SCARE ME!" Plus, like, Meridia, it *existed* and now it doesn't. What do you think they'd do to a Moon? Made of dead people.
@@That1OneKobold2 The Moons are a Vessels to an Eldrich Horror and Black Hole them would have the worse outcome now it's got a new form which it's effect is 100x worse or you give them an entry to your reality.
Necromorphs ain't "Dumb Zombies " it's like The Flood just without using guns and ships, their Eldrich Horror that is a Femi Paradox, Super Earth and Colonies would have Red Markers everywhere because Free Energy then the fucks activate then Massive EMP knocks out electronics which includes Comms by the time some ship gets there the Outbreak it reaching a tipping point if minature Marker Religion pentants are on someone that fucker gets influence since the Signal is still there then trying or does crash the ship to add more bodies, if there is a Hive Mind or enough biomass then that's a sign Convergence is starting once it's starts your almost fucked.
There is a new helldiver armor that explodes on death, so I guess they have now solved the "Our corpses are killing us" problem before even meeting the necromorphs
Super Earth would love the RIG suits. If memory serves, those not only provide protection but also enhances the user's strength. Imagine Helldivers but with the ability to curb stomp a man to pieces with a tad bit of effort.
Well, they kind of already do. HDs already have enhanced strength, and some of them have robotic limbs. They also have the big ass mechs. Honestly, with all their technology, I have no idea why they don’t have some sort of strength enhancement suit.
@ I imagine part of that might be partly due to the First Galactic War. Super Earth probably isn't in any rush giving out strength enhancing gear to anyone asking nicely since one of the factions in the first game is literally made up of people with strength enhancing gear build in and on them.
In the superstore it’s actually said by one of the reviews take this with a grain of salt that hell diver armor can survive, falling from orbit twice so it’s pretty damn durable if so
Counter point: Everything you do in game as a helldiver is canon. That means every time you tripped and dropped a stratagem on your squad, or were killed by your own sentry/guard dog, are 100% canon to the Helldivers universe. If we're being completely fucking honest, the "elite of Super Earth" aren't actually all that terrifying of a fighting force despite having access to ridiculous amounts of firepower. Keep in mind that the single most effective primary weapon Helldivers have access to is a fucking crossbow.
The average Helldiver kills 50 enemies before going down. Every no scope, every time a Helldiver single handedly took on hundreds of Automotons single handedly and blew 6 Bile Titans to Hell solo is also completely canon. This is a bad argument. Issac would be immediately killed in the Galactic War as he at max takes on a dozen or so enemies at a time and barely survives while Helldiver’s fight literally thousands in 4 man teams. This shit isn’t close. They also have a Quasar Canon that fires mini suns. Your whole comment is a bad faith argument.
@@rougarabid The average helldiver throws a 500 kg bomb on top of their own squad. Don't forget the sheer number of people that play with friends that spend half the mission finding new ways to kill each other for fun. Jousting with the FRV? Trying to snipe each other cross map? Kicking a buddy into one of those random holes in the map? It's all canon. It's not an argument in bad faith, it's completely legitimate. Most people play the game to have fun and thus do all kinds of really dumb shit, but in order to make an compelling argument about whether or not helldivers would do well in any given universe, you have to keep in mind how people actually play the game because THAT'S what would happen if the helldivers found themselves in any of those universe. But even then it's not entirely accurate because it's limited by the games engine. If people had access to actually controlling their super destroyers, how many do you think would just kamikaze into each other? The player base sets the tone for how the helldivers would actually perform. Sure, you'd have the onesies and twosies here and there that jetback onto a bile titan and pull some genuinely super hero levels of badassery. But most people aren't try harding the game, they're screwing around because it's just more fun and thus, the helldivers as a whole, because of the player base, aren't actually a terrifying fighting force despite the tech they have available.
@@Baked-Potayto Alright, hold on for a second. You acting like the average diver are nothing more than a bunch of drunk toddlers given nukes and yes, we have all seen and been the guy who "accidentally" drops an orbital bombardment on the squad, it's like your ignoring half the reality here. Yes, people screw around when with friends and you occasional get a moron trying to snip his buddy with a railgun or some person thinks they will be protected by democracy and wants someone to shoot them with an autocannon. But guess what? Most people in helldivers are strangers that don't know each other make up the majority of Helldivers force just want to finish the mission at the end even when they do muck about half the time afterwards. Nearly no one has time for dead weight or complete friendly fire pros while on the battlefield getting fired at all directions especially from someone they don't know. Do you know how pissed the entire fanbase was at the RP "Chaosdivers" just because trolls decided associated them for a short time while they friendly fired their teammates before getting kicked from the game? Plus, your painting this strange picture where every helldiver is just doing jack nothing the entire time but let me just remind you that: Most missions still get down, bugs get stomped, automatons crushed and Illuminate shot back into space. Why is this? Because the player base is competent when it comes to battle. They drop, shoot and finish the job and if there is time after THEN they begin to mess around trying to find stuff or more enemies to end in the name of liberty. Plus, even when you got the entire team screwing about, they are still completing the objectives otherwise we had never taken Calypso, Hellmire and the darn Creek. So no, the "average" helldiver isn't just a friendly fire disaster waiting to happen with a crossbow. Also, on topic of the crossbow. That's the same crossbow that is able to pierce layers of titanium along with it having exploding ammo which is why it's called "CB-9 Exploding Crossbow". A crossbow that was picked over the "PLAS-101 Purifier" which is pretty much like a Lasgun from 40k except with the absurd recharge the lasgun comes with.
@zerorg2627 For your first and second point: Have you actually played the game? People pop strats randomly regardless of the actual range with no regards for what affect it will have. A prime example being HVT extraction missions and the sheer number of people that bring 120 and 380 orbital barrages, or even napalm barrages and drop them right in front of the wall. Yes, the mission gets done, but does that in any way change the fact that a startling number of deaths on any given mission are from friendly fire? It's not even just people screwing around, it's people not paying attention and just chucking whatever they have access to. Or the number of times you're in the middle of a fight and people run in front of you while you're actively shooting thus getting themselves killed? Or they'll plop down right behind you and start shooting so the second you move you get taken out by a friendly. The game isn't hard sub 8 and above, the reason the reinforcement value is so high is specifically because you WILL be killed by friendly fire. Period. 3: Chaosdivers were very specifically anti-griefing. Their whole schtick was being pissed at the constant nerfs to the game so they completely avoided the bot front. Anyone that claimed to be a Chaosdiver while engaging in friendly fire absolutely WASN'T a Chaosdiver. Period. 4: When did I ever insinuate that nothing got done? I never said that, I never implied that so I have no idea where you got that inference. 5: Most deaths happen in the first half of the mission. It's when the reinforcement number dwindles that people start to get shit done because they can't afford to screw around. Even when you join random squads, there's very little cohesion because everyones play style is different hence why people running in front of you shooting happens so frequently. Also, the crossbow thing was a fucking joke. It's my primary of choice, I love that thing.
Ok, listen. First I have played the game, and you're acting like I'm sitting here having just analyzed it from a super destroyer. If that were the case then I wouldn't even be here since I wouldn't care enough about helldivers to watch this video. I have been on the battlefield for a long time filled with gremlins who would throw tesla towers at extract because it's funny, don't try to lecture me on what goes on down there. Now I am going to go through this because your trying to cherry pick as if you were writing a hit piece on Super Earth: 1.Strat spammers: Yes, we have all seen it. I have been killed more times by them than any faction. But here is the small thing, your acting like the entire player base is a bunch of toddlers with nukes. That is not the case, yes some new randoms don't know exactly what they are doing, but they learn in time. Players learn to drop strats in safer areas, wait and not plaster their squad across the map. Chaotic but controlled chaos. 2.Chaosdivers: Oh don't get me started. I don't need a damn history lesson about Chaosdivers since I was there when it happened and here is the thing, this supports my argument not yours. My point wasn't misrepresenting them- it was to highlight how much the community HATES people who were actual griefers. The very fact the community hated those trolls and actively kicked them out proves most players take the game seriously to weed out the dead weight. You think that doesn't tell you a little about the playerbase? We care about the mission, we hate trolls, so don't lump the average helldiver in with the average troll ruining everyone's day. Also the Chaosdivers were specifically against griefers and were putting an order against it while protesting in a proper way. It's just that people kept thinking it was them because trolls would disguise themselves as Chaosdivers in missions while killing them screaming “VERA LIBERTAS!” in the chat. 3. Friendly fire: Oh, wow, we are actually going to talk about that as if it were some grand revelation? Yeah friendly fire in this game happens a lot. That is simply the reality of a game where bullets fly everywhere, but here is the thing, most people don't DELIBERATELY walk into your line of fire. Sometimes people just mess up. Most players, especially after a few missions, know to be aware of their squad's positioning. Yes there will always be newbies or people who just don't think, but again it's not a universal issue that is making the helldivers ineffective. 4.Missions Always Get Done: Thank you for clarifying that but your entire tone made it sound like helldivers are barely competent. In fact, let me pull out the receipts since you're trying to backpedal. "The average Helldiver isn’t a terrifying fighting force despite the tech.” That is literally what you said. You are trying to paint this picture of helldivers that they are a bunch of clowns barely stumbling through missions. The truth is, most missions are completed because the average player IS competent enough to work in a team. Even with randoms, for all their lack of coordination, they manage to pull through most of the time. Maybe the first half of the mission is messy while they quickly figure out each other's playstyles but it's just part of adapting to a new team. 5. Crossbow: Oh, so that was a joke? Cool. Sure didn't sound like one as you used it as Exhibit A in your "Helldivers are a joke" argument. Now I get it, you love the crossbow. Same all around the fanbase because it's effective. Still, you have to be consistent with your points and if your actually going to joke, perhaps don't make it sound like another reason to dunk on the helldiver's 'competence.' Keep joking about the crossbow but if it is your primary then you know how effective it is. And you know what? It was funny. But you know what else is funny? A person whining about friendly fire while they are probably the one to accidently step underneath a strat drop or eat a railgun shot. Just admit you are that guy because we have ALL been that guy so we can finally move on.
I guess the markers do screw with the minds and make people commit suicide but the helldivers deal with the mind melting space cthulu faction. Yeah its no contest.
Imagine a necromorph running at a helldiver and the helldiver simply proceeds to shoot a literal surge of lightning from their funny little shotgun and demolish their whole body’s system and instantly die, helldiver win bro.
From what I understand the centipede thing was the first life form to evolve into existence on the attack on titan planet and never died and just never stopped evolving
I should probably state some points of necromorphs that you didn't bring up. Brethren Moons generally move at faster than light under their own psionic power and have destroyed space faring empires for millions of years, Secondly these moons emit a psionic pressence that induces insanity across an entire system. Plus the moons fired the marker at earth with enough force as it was the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs in the lore, and the marker is constantly influencing the species on the planet but never dormant. The infection generally kicks off when the population density hits a high enough number and triggers a mental break causing people to commit suicide or kill each other and as everyone is heavily armed the immediate kill count would be immense. And the morphs have infectors which can infect living targets to turn them into more morphs, and that necromorphs can be restructured by other dead tissue nearby never permanently killed just temporarily inactive. Also ignoring the fact that the Marker could turn humans with ships to transport morphs or creating other markers to spread across super earth as they produce energy, and the cults the markers form of insane humans who's main goal is to destabilize and kill as many as possible.
I did bring up the psychic capabilities. I also brought up why it wouldn’t work. Did you not watch the video? As for their speed super earth is faster. They have space bending technology that allows them to travel anywhere in the known universe near instantly. There is nowhere the breath and moons can go where super earth can’t follow. Like I said super earth is far more technologically advanced than Dead Space.
One problem something called a great eye basically could mind control in entire planet, instantaneously by itself, and super earth, was able to easily dispatch these dudes by just sending a single hell diver Who could take its mind shenanigans so the Brother moons aren’t doing anything
@carlosvicenty-9856 The fact is Necromorph mind control isn't based on immunity by a genetic basis, and a Marker on super Earth would slowly be influencing them to spread them across their worlds. So not even Helldivers are safe from having their minds dominated and turned into indoctrinated cultists for the morphs, and utilizing their weapons to kill other hell divers who didn't fall to the morphs influencing. Plus moons moving at lightspeed and launching psionic attacks across solar systems would essentially be impossible to hit, as they can change how you perceive them and a tentacle several miles long moving at light speed to cleave ships in half. Plus that they are a hivemind so if one learns something they all learn it instantly, and the fact they can just create a marker and fire it as a weapon that can end all life on a planet.
I love the idea of the Eldians joining Super Earth and Eren becoming a Hell Diver. For your next HellDivers vs video I would recommend The Shroobs (Mario & Luigi: Partners In Time) and The Black Arms (Shadow The Hedgehog).
If HellDivers has drop pods I can see them Dropping them on titans, then you just have a bunch of helldivers walk out of the pod while the titan's body's head is replaced by the drop pod.
I think if you do an AU where the black marker was there before hand. The he’ll divers wouldn’t have nearly as much tech as they do now that was recovered from the war before current HD2. As the life outside of the earths system would be non existent (eaten by brother moons)
14:44 dont know how it took me this long to make the connection but the spikes are like a faster version of the black needle mold from splinter, that shit was cool! spikes are a cool idea for a monster. especialy since they dont just take over and reanimate flesh but strenghten it. though once thing the black mold does thta spikes dont is piece togather different bodies into one bigger creepy as shit flesh golem thing.
I wonder about Evangelion vs Helldivers. I kinda think that showdown depends on whether or not you're treating the fight as if they're from the same universe or from separate universes. If they're from the same universe, Human Instrumentality would wipe Helldivers without trouble, but if they're from separate universes in the fight then Helldivers would definitely win even if they couldn't destroy Unit-01.
I will argue for the necromorphs that the forms depend on the goal and targets so they could look completely different and have different abilities in the helldiver universe along with them not being limited to infecting humans. There are ways of infecting without killing like the infectors that inject you through the head and the swarmers that enter the mouth and take control. Also Issac being able to survive and defeat at least one of the moons was heavily reliant on his intelligence and resistance to the marker, allowing him to keep up with moon, but even then he was still tricked into leading them to earth in the 3rd game.
Yeah because Issac is an engineer with severely lacking technology. Super Earth can blow up the moons with casual weaponry. The rest of you points I already touched on in the video.
just to point out the absurdity of sams fucking cannon, if memory from the first encounter serves me right, the cannon balls for the fucking thing were even cased in uranium.
Against the necromorphs the arc thrower is would be really useful because it's powerful enough not only turn people into menace meat it is going to completely evaporate their nervous system then there is the arc towers which can do even more damage to them.
"why mental didn't just blow up the planet to kill sam" ... Well, he tried, in part 3 he literally throw THE MOON on earth but too late, well you know, it's just plot armor , it's classic ... Soo yup, without plot armor mental will easily take down the helldivers
I wasn’t asking why he didn’t blow up the earth. He didn’t have to do something so over the top. All he had to do was park one ship over where Sam was and drop a bomb down. It wouldn’t even have to be the size of a nuke. There are several instances where mental has alien invaders cover an entire city with enemies. He can’t get one ship with one explosive in that area. I call bullshit. You’re also not saying how he would kill the Helldiver. Throwing a moon isn’t that impressive. Super earth casually blow up moons and create planet sized black holes.
@@rougarabidone black hole, and as i remember it was hard as fuck, wery not casually ... Never heard about blowing moons but ok ... and most important, Sam is not about only earth, humans found old alien technology and rebuilt it to have interstellar travels, "looks familiar?" ;) ... In serious sam humanity is literally beginning of helldivers, they began to spread very quickly throughout the galaxy until Sam accidentally messed up and sent a signal to which Mental came, Sam fought on literally every human planet and every time he had to retreat... “why not just blow it up” I said it’s just plot armor, like in any game where one main character scatters the enemy army like dust... imagine for a second that in Helldivers there will be no plot armor?) imagine that there is always only Difficulty level 10, robots and squids never miss, needle does not restore bones, every blow from even the smallest beetles cuts off limbs...we wouldn’t even be able to helldive, meat jelly would simply flow out of the droppod after such a blow😂 ... You can just call me funboy of serious sam but don't worry, because i guess i just talking to helldiver fanboy right now 🤷
Bad argument. You were saying that mental would win only if we ignore literally everything about how he operates and how the enemies in the game work. You’re asking me to go off of your head cannon of how you want them to operate and how strong you want them to be. That isn’t how they are. In the game, one guy takes on the entire army. An army that isn’t as competent, widespread, or powerful as any of the armies in Helldivers. HDs do have instant healing technology, they do have ships that blow up moons, they can open up black holes to destroy planets, they can take hits from giant blades, explosives, acid, fire, lasers and all sorts of other damage. You just want me to pretend that all of that’s not true. Call yourself a fan boy all you want but I’m not. Disagreeing with you doesn’t make me one. Helldivers are better in every way they need to to win.
Tbf, Silver Surfer at full strength has put an end to numerous galactic wars in the comics, including a war where both sides were propaganda driven war planets like super earth. If he could regain his strength, there's no stopping him.
I’d wait with the illuminate. They just came back and we only have four enemy types so far. We don’t really know much about them or what they’ve been up to for the past hundred years. It’s a little soon.
I feel like the brethren moons would lose if they split into small groups but if they just moved in 1 big group I’m pretty sure the Marker signal would be so intense the moment a super destroyer jumped into that system the crew would go insane within a manner of minutes let alone the planet sized tentacles that would rip a destroyer in half given the chance. I’m not saying they will ultimately win but it definitely isn’t gonna be as simple as send a few destroyers to blow up a couple moons
30:28 just think about that number 38 MILLION divers, and it did not in anyway effect super earths fighting capabilities, we continued to have millions and millions of helldivers die all the time and it literally does not matter the war train continues on without a hiccup
I feel I should bring up a point about the guns of the Helldivers tearing the Necromorphs to pieces. Namely, they (mostly) wouldn't. remember when you said that liberator bullets (which penetrate light armor) can shatter titanium? Titanium is much harder than normal flesh. I don't know if Super-Earth has appropriate BS science, or if necromorph infection hardens flesh to the point it's as tough as titanium, but increasing bullet penetration means minimizing bullet cross-section and making the bullet harder to resist deformation when traveling through material. This makes it harder for a bullet to transfer energy via shockwaves into softer material by deforming, which is normally accomplished by using softer materials than the target and increasing bullet cross-section as it travels through the material. This means that most of the Helldiver's guns will drill small bullet-sized tunnels straight through the Necromorphs most of the time, barring times when bones are hit. don't worry, explosive weapons will probably work just fine.
I’m pretty confident that it’s not required to be from super earth directly to be a citizen or member of seaf. I believe this cause I’ve over heard the npc on my ship out right say she had never step foot on super earth. So it could be someone born on a colony off planet. Not sure if this means they would be open to outsiders to join them. They clearly don’t do allies and definitely nobody that’s not humanoid.
@@Bxynextdxxr super earth isn’t a planet. It’s the government. If the planet super earth wore to ever fall, they would just move and name the new planet super earth. Being born on a colony under the umbrella of the super earth government still makes you a super earth citizen.
@rougarabid yea and it was great but it was about how the scp foundation would have dealt with those interesting entities. Like what if rambo became a D class and had to escape during a secret lab containment breach? You can't tell me it won't be awesome.
in the lore i belive that the illuminate has try join the super earth once before the war (probably they try beliving that doing that they don't will need join in a war agains super earth, remember that they are peaceful race before the war)
Know the illuminate tried for peace, talks to be allies with super earth. They did not agree to join and serve super earth. That’s never happened in the series.
To the serious sam debate id say Mental has time travel on a logistical scale. How did you think sam got the ability to time travel in the first place? Time travel pretty much negates most kinds of power scaling so it won't matter how many people, weapons and logistics you have if time is on the enemies side. Also a theory from me is the only reason why Mental doesn't just laser Sam from orbit is because he actually enjoys toying with the guy. In one of the endings Sam literally goes where Mental was only to find a chair and screen as if the guy was watching his actions like a kid watching a Saturday morning cartoon lol. I also think thats why his general (not even gonna attempt to spell his name)decided to kill Kenny even though Sam was right there next to the guy........ aside from the obvious South park joke lol.
I know we like answers and all. But if there really was a magic blue centipede in a pond that turned someone into a giant monster. We would realistically never find out why ot what it was.
Ok, so first thing, necromorphs are necromorphs, a Brethren moon is the Apex of the Necromorphs, I'm not going to look at a slasher and say "Oh god, a Brethren moon!", I'm going to say "Oh god, a Necromorph!". Same way I'm not going to look at a flood combat form and say "Oh god the gravemind or Keymind". As a further point I don't refer to a single bolt as a car because it isn't a car yet and aside from this, Brethren moons don't just absorb all necromorphs, they keep an army of them on them as shown in DS3. This is just a dumb tangent, and is why scripts exist, it stops people from saying dumb shit. Firstly, they are better than the flood but not the Demons of Doom, they are in a similar league but still beat out by them. The Brethren moons are not "moon" sized, they are the size of Mars or larger as shown in DS3A and they aren't just flesh, they contain large chunks of planets. The whole Tangent about it being wrong to put a black marker on super earth is dumb when the Brethren moons have a several billion year advantage and don't give a fuck who super earth thinks they are. The marker still would have guided them to where it wanted them to be, it would manipulate super earth's needs for energy to use the marker instead of the terminids blood or anything like that. Humanity would be divided into at least 2 groups both still manipulated by the marker without realizing it, 1 fully siding with it tell death do them part and then some, the other against it but unknowingly doing exactly what it wants. A marker is a powerful nearly indestructible magic space rock with abilities such as endless energy, faster than light signals that cant be stopped by anything, the ability to instantly convert dead flesh or flesh without a soul in it into necromorph tissue, marker pulses which can take over low resistance individuals even while still alive, can turn a recently dead man into a 30 to 40 foot tall necromorph in literally seconds, can literally mind read everyone even without absorbing them, can survive having a continent dropped on a small man made 1, the shards literally held the planet together, the other shards were attempting to drive the USG ishimura back to earth for a year(the ship was badly damaged which prevented this), a single shard that fits in your hand can start a full scale outbreak, they can download themselves into everyone's minds driving them mad or to make more markers but also both, and so much more. To put it lightly, a marker, hell even a shard is equal to a gravemind in intelligence and a keymind in abilities, but able start in stealth with corruption growing indefinitely which can be used to spawn completely new necromorphs out of nothing, or by pulsing which will start converting all dead flesh in mass, along with living people who have weak genetic resistance to the marker, which as shown in Dead Space mobile, was thousands of necromorphs in the first 5 minutes in just the government sector. Try to fight it, you can't as it always knows where you are and what you are planning, it knows what everyone is planning and it is directing hordes to counter you, fortifying strategic positions to stop you, cutting power or other important systems, and constantly pushing you to do what it wants without you knowing. There is no question of if they will gain enough mass, it will be a when they do as they will create Brethren moons, and then you have already lost as they can just instantly kill everyone like they did to Isaac who is literally the most resistant you can be without being immune like Ellie who is a 1 in a billion chance of immunity by the way. Once super Earth reaches a breaking point, and extreme instability, the marker will start calling out to people about what it is, and super Earth's scientist won't resist having limitless energy, complete cellular immortality, cellular regeneration, and more for super Earth where the only problem is, it will give them nothing while it sets traps ahead of time so that once it is active, you will rapidly lose. Body they didn't wait to long, they just let super earth get plump, ripe for the taking, as they always do, many more advanced civilizations have fallen to them, humanity was modified by the last group so eventually have a level of genetic resistance and in very rare cases immunity. Two named examples of immunity to the marker signal are Ellie Langford who is maybe 1 in a billion to just be undetectable unless someone finds her, and Lexine Weller who was a 1 in maybe 10 billion as she is the only immune person who puts off a small area of effect to pause the effects on those around her. Aside from them, Isaac is literally the most resistant person without immunity, under direct exposure to a marker, he still starts losing it within a day or 2 but he could recover himself with medical assistance and lasted a decade. Carver has decent resistance and is likely closer to what the average super earth soldier would be at and he was losing it within a day and actively doing the bidding of them unknowingly by night with it using his dead family against him to make him do what it wanted. Also Isaac's equipment is stronger than that of super earth with a few of their weapons being in his lower to medium ball park like the arc gun which at its worst point out putted 210,000,000 joules over 35 meters losing 6,000,000 joules per meter, while at its peak, it outputs 330,000,000 joules over 55 meters and still loses 6,000,000 joules per meter putting it in his medium weapons. Isaac's javelin gun fires a 5 pound titanium spike at mach 52.79 hitting with 371,901,450 joules before an additional electric charge in the projectile outputs up to 8 arcs 5 meters in all directions for 2 seconds giving this 2,400,000,000 joules on top of the impact. This only gets worse if we talk about upgrades, as Isaac can increase the velocity to mach 75 putting the impact at 743,802,900 joules, more than double the Arc thrower's total power output. Adding on the electricity which now last for 4 seconds adds 4,800,000,000 joules plus the explosive charges now included in the gun which is similar in power to an futuristic 60mm grenade. Not all of his weapons do this much mind you as the plasma cutter caps at 840,000 joules upgraded which is still far more than other helldivers weapons like the liberator which fires a 5.5x50mm round weighing 4.5 grams at 900 m/s which gives it an impact energy of 1,813 and a steel armor penetration of 11 millimeters. As a more direct comparison, the standard issue assault rifle of dead space fires a 30 grain(1.94 grams) bullet from 3 different barrels at the same time at 11,499.64 m/s giving it an impact of 128,536.8 joules per bullet, 70.5 times stronger than the liberator. When upgraded, it hits with 231,366.24 joules or about 127 times more powerful than the liberator. The magazine of a liberator is 45 rounds, the magazine of a base pulse rifle is 50x3 and 175x3 maxed, then the fire rate of a liberator is 640 rounds a minute while the pulse rifle is capable of firing 3,780 rounds a minute. Super earth has lost many planets to terminids, automatons, and the aliens without blowing up the surface of the worlds or planets because they do still care about the planet and infrastructure which can be recovered. In the actual outcome, super earth would have made markers across multiple worlds possibly all of them to power them with the markers going along with this as long as it helps them in the end, and then suddenly across all of super earth's space, there will be so many out breaks which will wipe the surfaces of planets clean and make a Brethren moon in hours, the forces of super earth can't be everywhere all at once and they can't focus on 1 world unless they want the entirety of their empire appearing in the same solar system as them while they are still trying to stop 1 outbreak. The children having hell divers grenades mean nothing, sure they can blow themselves up and maybe wound a necromorph but that doesn't eliminate either of them from use as the blown up chunks will just turn into corruption and the necromorph will either join it or be repaired or upgraded by the corruption.
Necromorphs can infect living tissue, this has been shown and written multiple times, they do infect on contact, the only reason you rarely see someone convert afterwards is because the medical technology of dead space is so advanced able to pump healing gel through you body to seal or flat out replace lost parts which also destroys the necromorphs tissue in the body so as long as your rig is full, you are fine. This is why necromorphs will fill a body with multiple wounds, so the RIG doesn't automatically heal the wounds and destroy the infection. An example of someone turning from infection is Nathan McNeil at the end of extraction who had been stabbed in the arm and pinned to a deck, he then cut his arm off and fought his way back a shuttle where the infection would later take over and transforms him into a slasher hours later, clone babies are freely used to make lurkers in DS1, another would be in Dead Space Salvage where a guy gets instantly assimilated by the corruption on the wall reaching out and touching his head, Franko in Dead Space 2 turned into a necromorph before his body actually died, body's don't just die by the way, it can take days to fully die, and in DS3, we see many necromorphs over 2 hundreds years old who's RIGs still show signs of life and feeders never died, they just ate necromorph tissue and slowly turned into necromorphs retaining their intelligence and abilities for long time after infection as they actively lured victims to them to eat them and spoke to people telling them they could smell them through walls. The rule is based off a soul being in the body, if not it is theirs, if you are directly assimilated, and if you have a low genetic resistance to them like thousands of people on titan station who were turned when the marker pulsed. Without medical technology like that of dead space, everyone in helldivers will turn into necromorphs rapidly, gas will fill your skies and unless your suit is vacuum sealed, your cooked. The strength of necromorphs isn't that they are hard to kill, it is that they are nearly impossible to kill, no amount of flesh is to little to be used, nail clippings and skin shavings is enough to start corruption growth which will rapidly grow cubic feet every hour, a Necromorph you blow apart will either heal and get back up in an hour, turn into something else, or turn into corruption where it will rapidly turn into dozens of new necromorphs. They are also super strong easily ripping through titanium and steel, they can jump so hard, they cause titanium to literally explode against them, they literally strike with dozens of tons of force, and they can all take this kind of shit to, the liberator wouldn't even match a divet gun which takes hundredsof rounds to take down a single slasher, a slasher is a 700 to 800 pound faster than sound super zombie with strength and durability on par with something like spartans from halo that don't feel pain and won't stop attacking until they literally can't move, they and burn the bodies if you want, an 8000°C degree flamethrower or hotter when upgraded literally can't burn them enough to destroy them entirely, just temporarily disabling them, you're better off nuking them. A scorcher would do next to nothing to a slasher, the actual impact is less than the halo assault rifle and the plasma could be as low as 6000°k, it would just wash over their skin and lightly burn them. It wouldn't even blow apart a lurker let alone a slasher or a brute who can shrug off explosions equal to or far greater than tank rounds. You are really going to ask if necromorphs can hurt a helldiver because they are wearing titanium, so was the titan station security, so we're the soldiers of the USM Valor, and so is Isaac. The under suit of dead space is woven super alloy titanium which not only takes advantage of the strength of titanium but also the advantage of woven materials like Kevlar, his armor and the soldiers of the Valor are far more durable off this alone, let alone the actual plating and gel layer which becomes nearly indestructible crystalline structures on impact under the armor which also auto repairs if pierced. As if ripping through titanium starship hauls wasn't enough evidence to show that a hell divers is being ripped in half with ease, how can you actually know so little about something and speak with such confidence, charybdis would drown in your ignorance. A few hundred years of selective breeding does not equal the RIGs ability to augment even tiny women to throw with more than a thousand pounds of force, that is a civilian RIG, Isaac has shown feats in the dozens to possibility hundreds of tons of force. They can react to massively hypersonic to relativistic weapons and still get speed blitzed by necromorphs, Isaac out of armor has survived being shot 7 times in the gut with guns that hit with 100,000 joules only taking a quarter of his health and was fine, he has tanked anti ship mines which blow apart huge chunks of ships with shielding and several feet of titanium hauls. A premature Brethren moon which is hundreds if not thousands of times weaker than the real deal was capable of controlling gravity to rip apart a larger planet with 12.192 gravity easily ripping roughly a continent into the atmosphere within seconds, it also used these powers to slow its fall when the machine was turned back on, the machine was stated to have the ability to crush a moon against the planet by accelerating it's gravity by thousands of times, the premature Brethren moon not only survived the impact, it was still fully intact and torturing Isaac. When Isaac came into contact with the real deal, they had showed that they can use this ability to move faster than light as they had already killed off all of humanity by the time Isaac got back to Earth and then show that they can just instantly kill Isaac with a thought, the peak of humanity's resistance, stands no chance, so even if you are all immune or find a way to harm them, it can literally crush planets to dust in a drive by, they can instantly kill everyone, and convert them to necromorphs, which will kill anyone who was immune as every one around them turns on them. Also again, a full size Brethren moon is the size of Mars and as long as the earth, their mouth could hold our moon in it and crush it. The aliens don't have better mental abilities, it isn't even close to a marker who literally rewrites minds to make more of them that can't be undone, grabbing a shard rewrote a man's whole reality in an instant, and so on. This match is a wash but not for Super Earth, they call themselves gods because they are, they hold the knowledge of dozens of galaxies if not the entire universe many times over, they have wiped out everything every dozens of times, that is why it is all dead space.
Nah The silver surfer with the power cosmic is more than capable of destroying everything hell divers has. every ship every planet across the entire galaxy he's that powerful
the super destroyers can just level the face of the planet from space and destroy all technology and food, they can also intercept the space pods they use. frieza would wipe them though, once he reaches superearth he would just take it all over. however if they know about frieza they could play around him after destroying his ship, monitoring him from afar, leaving planets before he arrives, even if frieza himself can travel at light speed he would basically be stranded, wandering through space.
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Sorry man, Necros would win, you ignored all of their abilities and what the marker actually does, and act like it's just a bomb, and you think they can only infect corpses, which just blatantly isn't true. Also, Isaac didn't beat the necromorphs, it was part of their plan to make him able to make Red Markers, aka artificial Markers. He didn't win, he lost, as seen in Dead Space 2 when the Red Marker is shown.
@@reaperox_ I never said he won. I said he could fight a whole army by himself. If you were going to argue with me, you actually have to listen to what I said. None of the powers of the necros will matter. They can all be permanently killed with guns. It is part of the law that if you damage the bodies to the point that they can’t function then they won’t. Only a few actually have any form of regeneration and that regeneration is limited. Destroying the markers which super earth can do from space will completely kill all of the necros. They literally have no way of winning. Telling me I’m wrong because I didn’t say what all the powers are without actually telling me how the necros could win is a very poor argument. I even said in the video that I wasn’t going to go over every power because there’s over 60 enemies in dead space. The issue you have with the video is explained in the video.
Attack on Tiitan going up against most universes is like Homelander going up against most superheroes.
So AoT gets wrecked?
They were losing to WWI tech. They're getting shredded. @@turtlekappa7141
Yes
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Definitely.
man they unironically loose to the fire nation, they have zeppelins with bombs that can bring down the control titan, and they can still burn a significant amount of titans
The grenade thing is actually Illuminate propaganda. I mean, really, giving kids GRENADES to SUICIDE BOMB the squids? Come on, we’re not barbarians!
We give them C4.
Exactly! Grenades!? Really? I thought we moved past that neanderthal behavior.
C4 provides a much bigger explosion, ensuring the possibility of Little Timmy taking down a Harvester by himself.
ARE YOU INSANE?!?!! You are not using the newly mandated C5?
@@The_Lord_Vader YOU'RE USING THE BARBARIC C5????? Citizen, you should be using our cutting edge C16
@@kacper7370 y'all still on C weapons? c'mon, use the new D3 like your fellow helldivers do
@sillygoober2321 you haven't worked your way up to x-4?
About the Serious Sam conclusion : Helldivers's presumed psychic resistance really REALLY sounds like WH40K fanatism being used as a shield against chaos's corruption.
No, because Helldivers are resistant against my control by the illuminate. We don’t know why. The fanaticism is maybe one possibility that I said I wasn’t stating as fact. All we know is they’re resistant. The Warhammer 40k argument is them trying to find loopholes. Mine is looking for an explanation of something we know to be true.
it could also be stupidity: can't mind control what isn't there
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Seems oddly right
@@samatlas3228the brains to shmooth the psychic powers slide right off
Can’t brainwash what’s already brainwashed.
John hell diver, looking at the Incredible Hulk after destroying the entire planet Finally The odds are even
John Helldiver then gets used as a club to beat all of Super Earth's ships to death.
@ you do not know John Hell diver clearly
@@carlosvicenty-9856 I do, actually. He's a character made up by gooner Helldivers fanboys like you, who'd slit their wrists if they actually had to admit Helldivers isn't that strong.
@ you used gooner wrong that means Simp I’m not a Simp and two he’s a Canon character in the developers have said that what the community makes about him is Canon he’s basically the Chuck Norris of hell divers he can’t lose do I think he could kill the hulk no just cause I like the hulk so the odds are even, he’s literally unbeatable invincible unstoppable God because of the community and plus it was a joke not only that there’s literally already a John hell diver character in marvel squirrel girl who was way before John hell diver but nobody has a problem with her She’s literally one V one Thanos the man who can go toe to toe with the Hulk and whooped his ass not only that she made a doctor doom cower in fear the man who went toe to toe with world breaker hulk and looked down to him and yet people love her, but when I make a joke about John holdover, it’s no I am a stupid Gooner
@@rythianlonghammer5263 bro why are you taking this so personally 😭
Now that I think about it, Eren would probably love to be a Helldiver, or at least love the exploration aspect of it. In AOT he stated he wanted to explore the world with Armin and was slightly disappointed when he learned the world was already explored. Now he has the entire galaxy to explore with Super Earth "backing up" his desire for Freedom
I know a lot about deadspace, and you missed the most dangerous part of the bretheren moons or more accurately the markers, the markers influence works even if you know its working on you.
It isnt subtle influence only either, outright controlling what people see and taking control of their bodies. Sure, the necromorphs and the bretheren moon might not be able to do much, but when casualites come from helldiver's turning their guns upon eachother thinking they are killing necromorphs or when they kill themselves with it, thats a different story.
And you know that super earth is going to replicate these babies like wild, increasing the signals strength and power to absolutely dominate everyone below. Isaac, being fully aware that nicole was made by the marker, still listened to her and went to the yellow marker in the second game, then in the third, he turned the machine off because it trickes him into thinking that yurning it off was what the machine wanted and it was the source of the signal.
Going into the fall of titan as well, nolan only ever encountered a fragment of the first marker we saw and could also create markers, killed his family and began an outbreak upon a ship before beig recovered.
The necromorphs arent the danger to super earth, but their own belief in super earth is as the signal uses that belief to make them destroy their own stuff and kill their own people. Super earth would have to destroy every marker or quarantine their locations, kill anyone who knows about it, and destroy all data on it or risk all of their stuff falling to the signal.
That is to say, super earth would fall because they would make and spread the markers whose infinite energy could be used for all of their stuff, then lose control and hundreds of thousands of outbreaks per planet decimate them. In the end, neither side wins, since those, like isaac and ellie, would probably just nuke everything, leaving truly dead space where not even the farmer bretheren moons remain
I didn’t miss that I directly covered it. I stated that the illuminates have literally the same thing. They have massive towers, and it turn human being into voteless. Mindless zombie slaves of the illuminate. HD’s are highly resistant to this. It gives them a bit of a headache and causes some confusion. That’s it. They will be highly resistant to the markers and can even bomb them from space which will kill all necros in the area.
@@rougarabid You misunderstood how it works, that is what I was saying. It doesnt work like the illuminate "Do this", its different by making you want to do a thing based on your own beliefs. Unitologists believe that the markers adn their signal will ascend them, they dont see horrific monsters, they see evolution. The same principle applies to Helldivers. they would see eachother as monsters, maybe hesitate or more likely not, and still kill swathes of eachother. They would also work in favour of the markers as they believe super earth is the one giving them their commands, it isnt "Oh, but this is what people you believe in told you" or weak in any way. as far as we see, NO ONE is immune to it except possibly Ellie, and even then, that may not be the case. We dont know what was happening with ellie in the games, and the books may say shes immune solely because of a genetic resistance gained by people who were exposed so long to the marker that they did gain immunity, that is only in the books. we dont see evidence on any humans of their instanity or manipulation except Isaac and nolan who came into contact with the marker, and Carver who did not come into contact with the marker until after his visions, a man who was single mindedly against them far before he encountered them and still succumbed to them.
devotion is the issue, a weakness NOT a strength against teh marker signal. You waid it was a lesser form, but the Illuminate have the lesser form considering it DOESNT work on everyone. The marker signal affects different people differently, sure, but it DOES affect all people. Isaac, an engineer capable of replicating the Marker, was capable of understanding the marker signal and thus its creation, but most people dont and end up like the average person, while still Unitologists and scientists who think they can control it are tricked into doing tis bidding without the terrible nightmares since that would go against the Marker Signals goal of self propagation. The ONLY reason that the markers were halted by humanity was because the SCAF literally killed everyone, had protocols in case anyone tried to not, destroyed any adn all ability to change anything, and prevented anyone in the future from trying to make things work. The aliens on the world also failed, and they were far more advanced than Super Earth is currently, just limited to a single world because they didnt need to expand outwards with infinite resources at their fingertips, realizing the danger all too late and failing to kill the formign bretheren moon due to its influence, thus the machien was stuck in a half way point.
As stated before, I heard that you said that super earths mental training or seeming resistance to the Illuminate who outright dominate minds is better than the subtle manipulation of the Marker Signal, but you failed to notice that NO ONE CAN ESCAPE the marker signal. Everyone is affected, everyone succumbs, mentality adn will mean nothing, intellect determines if you become a creator and sacrifice like Isaac, a clever hunter like the Unitologists, or a simple pawn to make bodies like everyone else including Carver, who, need I remind you GOT FULLY DOMINATED and couldnt move.
I agree with everything you said except the power of the Marker Signal becuase there is nothing like the Marker Signal anywhere. Worse yet, the Ministry of Science would be crippled at best and a threat to all of super earth due to its patience. SCAF made hundreds, as did EarthGov, and sent them across EVERY colony, and the latter even knew of the danger of the Markers, adn you are telling me that Super Earth wont make the same mistake as SCAF would with such a lucrative thing? It doesnt act right away, but it doesnt need to, and it doesnt want to. It is only noticed far too late, and the connection between the two is only noticed far too late. SCAFs only saving grace was that they couldnt make them on mass scales, thus could hide them in places like Aegis 7 where the original takes place, but as shown on Dead Space 3 and even 2, EarthGov had no such reservations.
I dont think its a wipe, but both would eventually succumb to eachother, no mass or so little it doesnt matter for the Markers, while Super Earth crumbles in on itself, unable to resist its own onslaught.
@@storytellernegative1it doesn’t make you do anything based on your beliefs. It psychologically messes with you to do what it wants by exploiting weaknesses to make you crazy send more susceptible to influence. All of Super earth are fanatics that wholeheartedly believe in super democracy. It’s harder to brainwash an already fanatic, hence why the Illuminate brainwash is better. Besides, it doesn’t really matter when super earth can blow up planets. Being a “GAWD” Is only relative of your power to everyone else’s. You ain’t a GAWD anymore if you can get oneshot.
@@storytellernegative1Yeah he doesn’t understand how the Markers work and underestimated them, you did a good job explaining it.
Not to mention there’s no evidence they can resist the type of mental manipulation, hallucinations, and being thrown into a mental world to fight to escape or end up killing your self like in 2 or having reality and your mental world being confused as in 3.
Also the type they resist is just simple mind control and it’s via nanomachines it is not the same at all.
Also the fact is humans in Dead Space evolved next to a marker which guided most of their evolution but not all of it cuz they existed and came to exist on their own so it’s stated they have a built in defense which is why you see your loved ones warning you to an extent before it’s too late and even then they fall, even the most intelligent people and aliens fall eventually, only the people immune like Lexine are unaffected.
@@LeaderOfTheLostSouls It is also debatable and genetic to the immunity. I think I mentioned it, but Ellie is theorized by many to be immune, as well as who you said Lexine, those directly next to the Black Marker on Earth became, not exactly immune but Immune to lesser markers due to the proximity to the Black Marker.
Even then, they still succumb to the black markers which, as far as we are aware, are indestructable unlike yellow and red markers, being made of (I believe) 113 and bizmuth respectively. Black Markers are made of something entirely else we dont know about, and our black marker wasnt even meant for us, it was meant for a different planet and we got in the way, thus the near extinction of our planets life when the dinosaurs died.
Attack on titan technology is about ww1 level
So we had rocket propulsion gear on our waste damn I don't know we could be Spider-Man 🤣
We had automatic rifles in World War l. Honestly, the technology between World War I and two is damn indistinguishable. There are a couple differences, but the two wars were only 21 years apart.
@@rougarabid there are what looks like maxim machine guns that appear in aot. The biggest difference s between ww1 and 2 are more widespread semi auto guns, higher number of light machine guns, better vehicles (ships, planes, tanks, cars etc.) And better radio communication. Also wmore reliable equipment
@@slasher7991so basically everything used to fight wars
@@MAGS-ik5uj yes
Having a termanid charge me missing its head and half its limbs after making a breach call without its head…. Ya necromorph durability feels run of the mill
Everybody gangster till a Brother Moon shows up
Also in Deadspace, at least what I played, your weapons aren’t really military grade. You starter weapon is pretty much just a tool repurposed as a weapon. Helldivers don’t just have military weapons, they have the best of the best the SEAF have to offer.
@@CarburetorThompson also a bolt action rifle, for when the fight isn’t spicy enough
@@Shadow-sword The bolt action rifle is insane tho...
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Isn't a plot point in dead space that you aren't actually killing necromorphs, just immobilising them?
The concept of killing isn’t really a factor to Necromorphs cause they’re already dead. It’s really just semantics. Making them incapable of fighting is the same as killing them.
@@rougarabidbut they will get back up as ether the same type or stronger
@@michellecarvajal9551 no they can’t. Very few necros actually have regenerative abilities. If you destroy the body to the point that it can’t function, then it won’t. Didn’t even mention how destroying the markers which super earth can do from space will completely kill all necros it’s created. Super earth can deal with this issue in an afternoon.
@@rougarabid here let me word it better but when you “kill” them the marker will just use the biomass for something else
Yeah, in the DS lore it doesn't matter how much a corpse is mutilated the cells are amalgamated into something new. That said, helldiver's have a pretty good record of atomizing themselves and everything around them.
Only problem is if super earth tries to study a marker it would likely infect the military brass, with suicide and psychosis.
IDK, is it possible for super earth to destroy itself?
Petition to have the Automatons vs the Star Wars during the Clone Wars era.
The most dangerous thing about them is not their similarity to the CIS but the fact that they will bring communism to star wars
Yes. Absolutely.
I like that
Probably unpopular opinion, but I think the Automatons would win. Easily so.
Absolutely, I will sign that petition in a heartbeat
I ain't complaining about helldivers, I love the videos
Fun fact EA GAMES Could have made a star wars cross over with the Necromorphs and Brethren moons
( In the old lore of star wars They would Fit perfectly )
1:45 fun fact the Aot map is just a flipped upside down version of our worlds map specifically their conflicts take place where Germany would be
No not Germany. Paradis is Madagascar, Marley is southern Africa.
@@jaydawg116No he’s saying that the AOT map is flipped and reversed of our real life map and Madagascar on their map is where Garmany would be on our map.
Nah' Democracy Wins 🏆
Nah, I’d dive.
Hey Rouga. Gotta say, I love your attitude and disposition that you bring to this channel. You are by FAR the most unique channel I am subbed to. Despite your smaller size, you still put out a great amount of quality! If you dont already, I hope you feel proud of your work man! Keep it up!
Pride isn’t the right word. I enjoy it. But there are other things I want to do in the future and won’t feel pride until I accomplish that. Writing a comic and creating a web series are two things on that list. I intend on using what I’m doing now to fund that. I do enjoy what I’m doing though and I don’t plan on stopping anytime soon. I appreciate the support and I’ll keep trying to bring you entertaining shit.
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Thats awesome! I wish you nothing but the best in your endeavors, Rouga. And in the meantime? As long as you stay yourself when you make these, you'll make entertaining content. You do you, man.
Great video from start to end
You liar.
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Yes! These are awesome, big fan of these videos! Keep them coming @Rouga Rabid
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@@rougarabidme too man, love this type of video, if you stop ima be sad
Helldivers Universe vs. 40k universe, every faction! Space Marines/Imperium, Eldar, Orks, Tyranids. Like Super Earth's entire cluster of stars is moved into the 40k universe. East vs. West style. On the one side the Helldivers Universe, on the other side, the 40k Universe. You have an ENTIRE series here. And not only that you have both the algarithms for 40k and Helldivers together meaning it would likely be your most watched, (AND AWESOME) series.
Of the top of my head, I don't think the Helldivers are going to flat parish in this setup, in fact I think they're better set to survive than the Tau.
You also have interesting secondary matchups. Illuminates/Eldar/Tau. Or Termanids meet Tyranids, Cyborgs and Necrons. Super Earth in its zealous patriotism meets the Imperium in its religious zeal.
You're one of the only people impartial enough to give this story a fair shake without downplaying either side.
That honestly would sound pretty fun. Dropping the entirety of the helldivers universe as it is now into 40k. Like Super Earth, the Automatons, all the Illuminate and Terminids into the 40k setting with the planets, the gloom and all. What would happen?
Not to be a party pooper, but the hell divers wouldn’t last long they would probably just be taken in by the imperium of man, or just overwhelmed by pure numbers and killed but the aluminate and the bugs would be interesting, because imagine the kind of things the bugs and illuminate could do
@@carlosvicenty-9856 I disagree for several reasons. One example is the Tau, the tau are far worse positioned to survive than Super Earth and yet here they are still around.
Another is that Super Earth is huge, super mobile and have a vast fleet with a travel method that would allow them to outmaneuver the larger and scarier forces of the Imperium.
Not to mention the Helldiver's weaponry, armor and tactics are competent, strong and efficient.
The ones who'd likely be in the most trouble from this would be the Automatons and Termanids. And who knows how Super Earth would react when their bug oil runs dry because their neighbors ended their careful forever war.
@@Hanashibi that is true the thing is there’s one problem super earth are humans the Empire loaves capturing humans and taking their technology and do you wanna know why because they can’t advance their own technology so imagine the imperium of man discovering that this super galactic power got transported to their universe, and now they have an opportunity to get these super powerful, handheld weapons that could enhance their forces tenfold by allowing just a normal guardsmen to be able to take down a space marine with a handheld weapon they would absolutely jump at the opportunity to rip super earth apart and take over would it be easy no but they would be able to get super earth technology it wouldn’t be easy mostly because super earth would just keep on running away
@@Hanashibi The thing is, the bugs can’t actually die they are fungus meaning, as long as a single spore is in existence the entire species can be remade basically from the ground up not only that the gloom because of that bad boy cannot be entered by super earth ships meaning it gotta be pretty fair not only that you can move meaning the term with basically have a permanent staying house unless for some reason of faction decides to rip them apart because the imperium of man wouldn’t because they can’t advance their technology meaning they can’t give faster than light travel again now many factions would even want to go after them except maybe the green boys and the bugs but that’s really it
To be fair, the Pulse Rifle in Dead Space is Millitary-grade and doesnt really do shit, and the reason mining equipment was used is because it was noted to be more effective at hacking off their limbs than guns.
I know. I made that point in the video. The hell divers weapons are far more powerful and will be far more effective at dismemberment.
True but there’s just to many things in the helldivers aresenal to really argue
There are high explosive,acid,fire and plasma guns
Machine guns,rpgs and stratagems
And the guard dogs who I think would be insane against the necromorphs
On the note of serious sam:
Helldivers aren't even the main force, we just enable the main force to progress to areas so they can liberate it. So imagine you send an army, it gets absolutely crippled by just 4 people and then the actual army of your enemy arrives
Put the Helldivers up against the Cult of the Lamb!!! Two titans who haven't been bested so far in any of your videos, let's see who comes out on top!
I think it could be a stale mate or they would make a deal of kind but the hell divers would probably wipe the lower ranks and then eventually go back to the stalemate or the deal because the lamb and goat are basically immortal no matter what they can escape prison dimensions and they can’t die because they are death gods same with the bishops
They haven't been bested because Rouga is a mentally handicapped lemur with a keyboard. The reason he says neither game ever loses is because he goons to Cult of the Lamb and Helldivers like its his religion.
@@WhatdoyoucalablindgermanAnosee One problem though, the Helldivers can just blow up the planet once they realize the gods can't be killed. ALTHOUGH, that might be a huge mistake since They'd have a bunch of angry gods who are really angry at them roaming through space.
The thing that interests me the most though, is whether or not the Lamb could indoctronate a Helldiver.
As soon as I saw World War Hulk. My brain went that end of the Helldiver 😅
I can see the Hulk finding superearth and do he what he did in the comic.
Now hold on. I know it's been a hot minute since I've played dead space, but isn't it a huge thing about the Markers is them making the living people go crazy? I feel like that would be a huge thing to mention here.
EDIT: I'M DUMB HE ABSOLUTELY WENT OVER THIS IGNORE THIS COMMENT.
But he did state that Helldivers has as least a decent level of mind resistance.
I did.
@@rougarabidNevermind, I must not have been paying attention at that point. I rewatched it and the helldivers absolutely resist the mind control hax and would need a lot more time to get done in by them than the helldivers would let happen. MB bro.
@@stormfang9208plus the illuminate brainwash is a lot stronger than dead space’s. It’s like a competition of strength vs skill. Illuminates can fully mind control an individual to a blank slate while the markers surgically poke them in the right places until they decide to do what the markers want. Ultimately, skill is just a proper utilization if strength, and the Markers are playing big time catch up.
@@tchoythao1730This is wrong and ignorant.
The Helldivers resist a different type of mind control, it is through nanomachines that infect and control them, it doesn’t work or target the mind the same way.
Also you clearly don’t understand how the Maker’s work they do not try to control your mind completely to make you a slave at least no as a human, they are using it to drive you insane to manipulate you into killing others or yourself, they can manipulate your mind with hallucinations to follow their lead or trick you into helping them, they can mess with your perception of reality but the most intense abilities are shown in 2 & 3 where they can imprint in your mind to trap you in a mental world where you fight for survival if they kill you there then you kill yourself, and they have been able to make the mental world mix with reality to make you see and get hurt by things that are not there cuz your mind is being manipulated through the signal.
Helldivers have never been shown to resist such manipulation or the mental world bullshit, so this is a flawed comparison.
The Marker tries to work the long game and be subtle at first but it can just skip to where shit hits the fan as seen in DS3, their minds would be overwhelmed with noise and hallucinations and confusion and trauma to even think, even the smartest would be manipulated let alone the average soldiers who can be tricked to kill each other.
People downplay Dead Space too much.
The Flood are fascinating for Versus shit because they start at a more managable power level, quickly take on the capabilities of the enemy, and become this reality warping entity that can do all kinds of shit that is so fucked and esoteric that a civilization that casually uses other dimensions as batteries like there Rick Sanches cant tell whats even going on exactly. I get why there lumped together with Necromorphs on a thematic level but they are just so much more imposing when it comes to most matchups.
Imagine you’re just chilling in your house and hundreds of hellpods drop in the middle of your street before armored gunman start planting orbital strikes and blowing up everything in sight
Your Helldivers videos are my favorite!
Lucky you, cause they’re not going anywhere. They are some of my most popular videos.
@@rougarabidHow did yesterday’s video do? We need a part three because I want to see you talk about Lord Zedd and Skeletor teaming up or the DOOM demons beating up the Masters of the Universe
Would *A* helldiver survive? Probably not. Would *THE* Helldivers survive. Absolutely.
Since a sword strike across the nape of the neck can take out a Titan, imagine what a hellpod will do landing on said nape.
Yeah, I mean the helldivers are really outfitted and they can generally just destroy entire planets if they want it to but they're not stopping the necromors. The thing about the necromors are you can't kill him. You literally cannot kill him unless you just completely atomize them when you're dismembering them. That's just to slow them down. That's not stopping them the aesthetic of the gameplay when you return the reason the bodies aren't there isn't because you know they despond. It's cuz they're alive. They can turn any amount of biomass to different forms. Not to mention the most OP thing about the necromors is you don't need to be infected by one to become one. If you just get crazy enough by the marker signal, you'll just start killing your teammates
I touched on all this already. Helldiver’s weapons incinerate enemies and there is already technology in the HD universe that are massive pillars that mind control everyone in the area and drive them insane. The HD resist this. The black markers would do virtually nothing to them, but give them a slight headache.
Also, your premise is wrong. It stated in the late that if you break down the body to the point that it can’t operate it won’t. No the Necromorphs do not get back up after being shot to pieces. That’s headcanon. In fact, destroying the markers make all Necromorphs in the area drop dead. They can’t function without one. All super earth would have to do is destroy all the markers from orbit and the necros are done.
You see there’s one problem the hell divers were able to fight something called a great eye Those things could quite literally mind control entire civilizations that are vastly more intelligent than humans and hell divers would one V, for these bastards all the time and win and take the mind control Not even the brother moons could mind control the hell divers not only that the average hell diver can literally punch through Tank armor meaning, on ironically, a normal holdover could fist fight multiple Necro morphs and win, and he would quite literally just completely annihilate their entire brain with a single punch, and just rip them apart physically if that’s not enough for you, they can also punch through titanium like really easily so they are vastly physically superior to literally almost every single Necro morph besides the biggest ones
So uhh…. How do necromorphs fare against being black-holed?
I believe the brethren moons would actually win... in the long game.
Now hear me out, Super eart loves incorporating and stealing tech from defeated enemies.
A revolutionary nigh 100% efficient power source will get their interest, and they will spread it.
Eventually, they'll probably make mini black markers to power guns or something. At that point, the mental effect the markers have on the sentient creatures might cause critical mass to be reached.
They already have a revolutionary power source that they get from the Terminids. They aren’t stupid. The illuminate also have massive towers that are used to mindfuck their people very similar to the black markers. They destroyed them. It will be no different for the black markers.
I think it's a 50/50 depending on who gets placed on the frontlines against the necromorphs. A more greedy general trying to get on par with Brasch (good luck) might see the black markers as a big win and try to install them in places. And obviously, if they spread far and wide enough, they'd affect the civilians first, just like with the illuminate.
The thing is, you can't really run a war or multiple wars when your infrastructure is getting overrun by hard to kill zombies.
But ultimately, in a fair one on one, with no handicaps to Super Earth, they win 99/100 times.
I feel as though I should also mention that the markers or moons or whatever can manipulate the dead meat on a much higher level than you give them credit for. They can create infinitely regenerating warriors that are "pulling new limbs from their democracy hating posterior." implying that, at the very least, they can manipulate cells in the air to reform into limbs and warriors if they'd be so obliged.
One problem holdovers are vastly avenue to mind control because of the illuminate something called a great eye They could mind control entire planet by themselves of a species vastly more technologically, advanced and smarter. Instantly hell divers were able to one V one these bastards and win and take their mind shenanigans Meaning it’s debatable if the markers would even affect hell divers and even if you say they could get mind controlled, it would take vastly longer than anybody else in dead space even Isaac Clark which mind you he was able to fight a brother moon you get the point
Fun fact: Paradiis, the island that AOT takes place on, is actually the island of Madagascar upside down.
One Scorcher and one resupply will clear the Rumbling
Helldivers feels like a prequel to warhammer.
Regular seaf military should be mentioned in videos like this. That would be an interesting concept
I have in the past. I think I do in this video too once or twice. The reason why I say super earth and not Helldivers is because I am, including the SEAF. If I was only talking about HD I would just say HD. So just know that the SEAF ARE DEFINITELY A PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
People forget that helldivers are the best of the best and not standard military
I’m almost entirely certain that you are mega wrong in regards to how the necromorphs work. They are called necromorphs which yes, implies corpses. There are several instances in dead space where people are still alive but corrupted by *the corruption* as it’s called. The wheezer guys that change the atmosphere of planets by breathing out contaminated air, the wall guardians that scream in pain and anguish, and probably 1 or 2 more examples. We also see first hand in the games that people get “infected” by the infector necromorphs instantly upon the syringe being stabbed into the body. In the scenario where you grant that a marker is present on super earth, its influence is a bit more subtle than you may give it credit. It could spend literally any amount of time it would need to influence the minds of human society, getting them to build more markers because of the amazing “free energy!” They provide. Super earth wouldn’t know that the marker is made be a malevolent sentient entity and would likely be all over building more markers for that energy. Then like flipping a switch, the markers legit change humans into necromorphs. It’s not like a morgue is at the center of every necromorph outbreak. Living people get converted into the first necromorphs, who then go around killing and converting people. I could be wrong on a minuscule detail here or there but I wanted to air my beef that I don’t think you gave the necromorphs a fair shake nor an accurate representation. Whether what I’ve said here would even have an effect on the conflict is something I do not know, and without granting that the marker already has embedded into human society there is zero chance out of infinity that helldivers would lose. Liked the vid overall though and was entertained thoroughly
Thank you, at least someone is paying attention
Look it up, man. It’s specifically stated in the Lore that the Necromorphs only take over corpses. This is why Isaac never gets infected despite interacting with all the things you listed.
@ “The infection is also spread directly through the Necromorph pathogen - that is, the reanimated cells created by the Markers and which compose the Necromorphs. Typically, it is rapidly passed on via specialized Necromorphs such as Infectors and Swarm Infectors, which implant the material directly into corpses. As the Necromorph pathogen infects only necrotic tissue, living victims who come into contact with it typically do not undergo transformation unless it is inserted directly into their bodies, in which case they will undergo a gradual transformation as they slowly die, their internal organs being killed off and taken over one by one.[14] This can be seen in the case of Brant Harris, who transformed into a regenerating Necromorph, and in the case of S.C.A.F. soldiers who consumed Necromorph flesh, causing them to turn into a Wendigo-like Necromorph form known as the Feeder.”
Source: deadspace.fandom.com/wiki/Necromorphs
To level with you, I’m not trying to be an internet fucko who is incapable of seeing I’m wrong. It does seem like dead tissue cells are what primarily drives the transformation, but this quote here does show that infection of a more conventional form is possible. Again, I don’t really have an argument to say the helldivers would lose without a marker present on their planet before the start of conflict. If anything I guess I’m arguing that some of the points you made seem off and it would perhaps be a closer run event than it at first appears. Ultimately the helldivers might lose a single planet to a necromorph outbreak but then they just fly over with a fleet of destroyers and say “bye bye planet” with nuclear fire
@@rougarabid One Issac is The Main Character so plot armor, second there are instances of the Yellow Bacteria turning healthy people into Infectors, then you got Roanoke who did videos describing it and the biology of each mutation, second reason how Corruption is made is well dead skin cells it's why the Aegis Coloney had so much so fast, also it's literally stated destroying a Marker doesn't stop the Signal then outbreak starts again, the problem with the Signal your evolution is made by a Black Marker, Super Earth finds it then creates Red Markers, you're getting outbreaks, secohd even objects based on a Marker has the etchings still in it so any Marker Religion made during Super Earths history when it's time for Convergence signal does the influence, Infectors are a fast method of Yellow Bacteria spreading but the Signal does spread it the reason Issac wasn't turned was due to being Smart so his is different and now has the Markers blueprint, but you can't kill Necromorphs the fuckers come back, it's implyed you killing one you already killed that basically respawned from the Corruption but it's over when a Brethren Moon is formed because then you can't press the button to game end it, then you got others showing up then the effect is 20x worse, using the Black Hole method might make shit worse because it's implyed thd Moons are basically Vessels to some Eldrich horror Higher Dimensional being, and Lot of Times Black Hole equals you give it a better 'vessel'.
One problem super earth has already fought some thing that has vastly superior mind control powers to anything in that space great eyes from the first game. Those bad boys could literally mind control entire planets of illuminate meaning, even the average citizen would be basically completely immune to mind control from dead space even if you don’t wanna give them back the illuminate or vastly more intelligent than humans as you know, they’re thousands of years older meaning hell divers could just shrug off the infection
Could you make a if they could survive being in the 40k universe? I mean ALL the factions of helldivers.
Helldivers with ODM gear would be awesome
Fighting bile tightens and tripods would be absolute cinema
so like the big thing about the markers is that they make you go fucking insane
they'll make you confuse your fighting and start going on a rampage
and this supposedly goes on a massive scale whenever it does happen
I know. I addressed this in the video.
I think super earth will figure this out pretty quick and just destroy the brethen moons when they detect them, they have ftl technology and interstellar information networks, there's no reason to even get close to them.
Not to mention, in AOT, they also wear capes!
In Attack on Titan: Ymir found Yggdrasil, the Norse super tree that is the BACKBONE of the universe. She entered the tree's SPINE and fell into the water (spinal fluid) inside. Therefore.... um, front giants / Titans??
The tree (Founding Titan) has roots (the paths) that connects all the descendants of Ymir
Here's some for more Helldivers videos, or whatever.
Machine Man (Marvel Comics)
Sleepwalker (Marvel Comics)
Orion (DC Comics)
Miracleman (Marvel Comics)
Devilman (Manga/Anime)
Knights of the Zodiac (Manga/Anime)
Bastard!! (Manga/Anime)
Tenchi Muyo! (Anime/OVA)
This whole brother and moons thing feels like the tyranids, because they do something similar, except it isn't giant spheres in space.
I don't think Helldivers have resistance, just maybe the Illuminate have to go through a process, so they'd have to like capture a Helldiver to turn them into a voteless.
We know the illuminate mind control their entire population. They don’t have to kidnap them and put them through any process. This mind control does not work on HDs.
@@rougarabid different physiology? Illuminate willingly accepting procedure? I mean, it's logical, but I don't think it's a sure-fire answer that Helldivers have mind control resistance. Don't get more wrong, I'm sure they're so democratic that they do, but I don't think that's the reason why.
Orbital Rail Cannon
Orbital Laser
Go brrr.
hulk: that tickles
@@quinnhasse9170
*Black Holes Planet*
Helldiver maneuvering gear would go so hard, If it has those capabilities when made out of steel and powered by compressed air one can only imagine how effective it would be when made out materials that are not only far lighter and stronger but also have a myriad of other beneficial properties powered by the most condenced power sources that super earth has deemed both safe and cost effective enough. Thats before you even pair it with a jump pack and the insane durability and strenghth Helldivers have in there armour.
When you put Necromorphs last I thought they had some crazy weird time looping or crazy sci-fi king fu they gain in like comics that I didn’t know about to stand a chance against the Helldivers. Turns out they are just kinda bad zombies
Or this person, like you, aren't really giving Dead Space the respect it deserves. Hell yall prolly didn't even play this game.
@@turtlekappa7141I mean, I played the game, and in the words of Slimesicle, "Hey, hey, come back! HEY GET BACK HERE! YOU'RE THE MONSTER! COME BACK HERE AND SCARE ME!"
Plus, like, Meridia, it *existed* and now it doesn't. What do you think they'd do to a Moon? Made of dead people.
@@That1OneKobold2
The Moons are a Vessels to an Eldrich Horror and Black Hole them would have the worse outcome now it's got a new form which it's effect is 100x worse or you give them an entry to your reality.
Necromorphs ain't "Dumb Zombies " it's like The Flood just without using guns and ships, their Eldrich Horror that is a Femi Paradox, Super Earth and Colonies would have Red Markers everywhere because Free Energy then the fucks activate then Massive EMP knocks out electronics which includes Comms by the time some ship gets there the Outbreak it reaching a tipping point if minature Marker Religion pentants are on someone that fucker gets influence since the Signal is still there then trying or does crash the ship to add more bodies, if there is a Hive Mind or enough biomass then that's a sign Convergence is starting once it's starts your almost fucked.
There is a new helldiver armor that explodes on death, so I guess they have now solved the "Our corpses are killing us" problem before even meeting the necromorphs
Wonder if that’s a reaction to the Voteless.
Super Earth would love the RIG suits. If memory serves, those not only provide protection but also enhances the user's strength. Imagine Helldivers but with the ability to curb stomp a man to pieces with a tad bit of effort.
Well, they kind of already do. HDs already have enhanced strength, and some of them have robotic limbs. They also have the big ass mechs. Honestly, with all their technology, I have no idea why they don’t have some sort of strength enhancement suit.
@ I imagine part of that might be partly due to the First Galactic War. Super Earth probably isn't in any rush giving out strength enhancing gear to anyone asking nicely since one of the factions in the first game is literally made up of people with strength enhancing gear build in and on them.
The helldiver armor being made of the same stuff that super destroyers does not mean they have the same strength.
Because I said that in the video? When?
@rougarabid because of the way you said i assumed that this was what you wree implying. im sorry if i was wrong
In the superstore it’s actually said by one of the reviews take this with a grain of salt that hell diver armor can survive, falling from orbit twice so it’s pretty damn durable if so
Counter point: Everything you do in game as a helldiver is canon. That means every time you tripped and dropped a stratagem on your squad, or were killed by your own sentry/guard dog, are 100% canon to the Helldivers universe.
If we're being completely fucking honest, the "elite of Super Earth" aren't actually all that terrifying of a fighting force despite having access to ridiculous amounts of firepower. Keep in mind that the single most effective primary weapon Helldivers have access to is a fucking crossbow.
The average Helldiver kills 50 enemies before going down. Every no scope, every time a Helldiver single handedly took on hundreds of Automotons single handedly and blew 6 Bile Titans to Hell solo is also completely canon. This is a bad argument. Issac would be immediately killed in the Galactic War as he at max takes on a dozen or so enemies at a time and barely survives while Helldiver’s fight literally thousands in 4 man teams. This shit isn’t close.
They also have a Quasar Canon that fires mini suns. Your whole comment is a bad faith argument.
@@rougarabid The average helldiver throws a 500 kg bomb on top of their own squad. Don't forget the sheer number of people that play with friends that spend half the mission finding new ways to kill each other for fun.
Jousting with the FRV? Trying to snipe each other cross map? Kicking a buddy into one of those random holes in the map? It's all canon.
It's not an argument in bad faith, it's completely legitimate. Most people play the game to have fun and thus do all kinds of really dumb shit, but in order to make an compelling argument about whether or not helldivers would do well in any given universe, you have to keep in mind how people actually play the game because THAT'S what would happen if the helldivers found themselves in any of those universe.
But even then it's not entirely accurate because it's limited by the games engine. If people had access to actually controlling their super destroyers, how many do you think would just kamikaze into each other? The player base sets the tone for how the helldivers would actually perform.
Sure, you'd have the onesies and twosies here and there that jetback onto a bile titan and pull some genuinely super hero levels of badassery. But most people aren't try harding the game, they're screwing around because it's just more fun and thus, the helldivers as a whole, because of the player base, aren't actually a terrifying fighting force despite the tech they have available.
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Alright, hold on for a second. You acting like the average diver are nothing more than a bunch of drunk toddlers given nukes and yes, we have all seen and been the guy who "accidentally" drops an orbital bombardment on the squad, it's like your ignoring half the reality here.
Yes, people screw around when with friends and you occasional get a moron trying to snip his buddy with a railgun or some person thinks they will be protected by democracy and wants someone to shoot them with an autocannon. But guess what? Most people in helldivers are strangers that don't know each other make up the majority of Helldivers force just want to finish the mission at the end even when they do muck about half the time afterwards. Nearly no one has time for dead weight or complete friendly fire pros while on the battlefield getting fired at all directions especially from someone they don't know.
Do you know how pissed the entire fanbase was at the RP "Chaosdivers" just because trolls decided associated them for a short time while they friendly fired their teammates before getting kicked from the game?
Plus, your painting this strange picture where every helldiver is just doing jack nothing the entire time but let me just remind you that: Most missions still get down, bugs get stomped, automatons crushed and Illuminate shot back into space.
Why is this? Because the player base is competent when it comes to battle. They drop, shoot and finish the job and if there is time after THEN they begin to mess around trying to find stuff or more enemies to end in the name of liberty. Plus, even when you got the entire team screwing about, they are still completing the objectives otherwise we had never taken Calypso, Hellmire and the darn Creek. So no, the "average" helldiver isn't just a friendly fire disaster waiting to happen with a crossbow. Also, on topic of the crossbow. That's the same crossbow that is able to pierce layers of titanium along with it having exploding ammo which is why it's called "CB-9 Exploding Crossbow". A crossbow that was picked over the "PLAS-101 Purifier" which is pretty much like a Lasgun from 40k except with the absurd recharge the lasgun comes with.
@zerorg2627 For your first and second point: Have you actually played the game? People pop strats randomly regardless of the actual range with no regards for what affect it will have. A prime example being HVT extraction missions and the sheer number of people that bring 120 and 380 orbital barrages, or even napalm barrages and drop them right in front of the wall. Yes, the mission gets done, but does that in any way change the fact that a startling number of deaths on any given mission are from friendly fire? It's not even just people screwing around, it's people not paying attention and just chucking whatever they have access to. Or the number of times you're in the middle of a fight and people run in front of you while you're actively shooting thus getting themselves killed? Or they'll plop down right behind you and start shooting so the second you move you get taken out by a friendly. The game isn't hard sub 8 and above, the reason the reinforcement value is so high is specifically because you WILL be killed by friendly fire. Period.
3: Chaosdivers were very specifically anti-griefing. Their whole schtick was being pissed at the constant nerfs to the game so they completely avoided the bot front. Anyone that claimed to be a Chaosdiver while engaging in friendly fire absolutely WASN'T a Chaosdiver. Period.
4: When did I ever insinuate that nothing got done? I never said that, I never implied that so I have no idea where you got that inference.
5: Most deaths happen in the first half of the mission. It's when the reinforcement number dwindles that people start to get shit done because they can't afford to screw around. Even when you join random squads, there's very little cohesion because everyones play style is different hence why people running in front of you shooting happens so frequently.
Also, the crossbow thing was a fucking joke. It's my primary of choice, I love that thing.
Ok, listen. First I have played the game, and you're acting like I'm sitting here having just analyzed it from a super destroyer. If that were the case then I wouldn't even be here since I wouldn't care enough about helldivers to watch this video. I have been on the battlefield for a long time filled with gremlins who would throw tesla towers at extract because it's funny, don't try to lecture me on what goes on down there.
Now I am going to go through this because your trying to cherry pick as if you were writing a hit piece on Super Earth:
1.Strat spammers: Yes, we have all seen it. I have been killed more times by them than any faction. But here is the small thing, your acting like the entire player base is a bunch of toddlers with nukes. That is not the case, yes some new randoms don't know exactly what they are doing, but they learn in time. Players learn to drop strats in safer areas, wait and not plaster their squad across the map. Chaotic but controlled chaos.
2.Chaosdivers: Oh don't get me started. I don't need a damn history lesson about Chaosdivers since I was there when it happened and here is the thing, this supports my argument not yours. My point wasn't misrepresenting them- it was to highlight how much the community HATES people who were actual griefers. The very fact the community hated those trolls and actively kicked them out proves most players take the game seriously to weed out the dead weight. You think that doesn't tell you a little about the playerbase? We care about the mission, we hate trolls, so don't lump the average helldiver in with the average troll ruining everyone's day. Also the Chaosdivers were specifically against griefers and were putting an order against it while protesting in a proper way. It's just that people kept thinking it was them because trolls would disguise themselves as Chaosdivers in missions while killing them screaming “VERA LIBERTAS!” in the chat.
3. Friendly fire: Oh, wow, we are actually going to talk about that as if it were some grand revelation? Yeah friendly fire in this game happens a lot. That is simply the reality of a game where bullets fly everywhere, but here is the thing, most people don't DELIBERATELY walk into your line of fire. Sometimes people just mess up. Most players, especially after a few missions, know to be aware of their squad's positioning. Yes there will always be newbies or people who just don't think, but again it's not a universal issue that is making the helldivers ineffective.
4.Missions Always Get Done: Thank you for clarifying that but your entire tone made it sound like helldivers are barely competent. In fact, let me pull out the receipts since you're trying to backpedal. "The average Helldiver isn’t a terrifying fighting force despite the tech.” That is literally what you said. You are trying to paint this picture of helldivers that they are a bunch of clowns barely stumbling through missions. The truth is, most missions are completed because the average player IS competent enough to work in a team. Even with randoms, for all their lack of coordination, they manage to pull through most of the time. Maybe the first half of the mission is messy while they quickly figure out each other's playstyles but it's just part of adapting to a new team.
5. Crossbow: Oh, so that was a joke? Cool. Sure didn't sound like one as you used it as Exhibit A in your "Helldivers are a joke" argument. Now I get it, you love the crossbow. Same all around the fanbase because it's effective. Still, you have to be consistent with your points and if your actually going to joke, perhaps don't make it sound like another reason to dunk on the helldiver's 'competence.' Keep joking about the crossbow but if it is your primary then you know how effective it is.
And you know what? It was funny. But you know what else is funny? A person whining about friendly fire while they are probably the one to accidently step underneath a strat drop or eat a railgun shot. Just admit you are that guy because we have ALL been that guy so we can finally move on.
I guess the markers do screw with the minds and make people commit suicide but the helldivers deal with the mind melting space cthulu faction.
Yeah its no contest.
Imagine a necromorph running at a helldiver and the helldiver simply proceeds to shoot a literal surge of lightning from their funny little shotgun and demolish their whole body’s system and instantly die, helldiver win bro.
From what I understand the centipede thing was the first life form to evolve into existence on the attack on titan planet and never died and just never stopped evolving
a squad of helldivers encountering a regenerator from dead space, kill it, only for it to get back up again. sweet liberty the carnage.
I should probably state some points of necromorphs that you didn't bring up.
Brethren Moons generally move at faster than light under their own psionic power and have destroyed space faring empires for millions of years, Secondly these moons emit a psionic pressence that induces insanity across an entire system. Plus the moons fired the marker at earth with enough force as it was the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs in the lore, and the marker is constantly influencing the species on the planet but never dormant. The infection generally kicks off when the population density hits a high enough number and triggers a mental break causing people to commit suicide or kill each other and as everyone is heavily armed the immediate kill count would be immense. And the morphs have infectors which can infect living targets to turn them into more morphs, and that necromorphs can be restructured by other dead tissue nearby never permanently killed just temporarily inactive. Also ignoring the fact that the Marker could turn humans with ships to transport morphs or creating other markers to spread across super earth as they produce energy, and the cults the markers form of insane humans who's main goal is to destabilize and kill as many as possible.
I did bring up the psychic capabilities. I also brought up why it wouldn’t work. Did you not watch the video? As for their speed super earth is faster. They have space bending technology that allows them to travel anywhere in the known universe near instantly. There is nowhere the breath and moons can go where super earth can’t follow. Like I said super earth is far more technologically advanced than Dead Space.
One problem something called a great eye basically could mind control in entire planet, instantaneously by itself, and super earth, was able to easily dispatch these dudes by just sending a single hell diver Who could take its mind shenanigans so the Brother moons aren’t doing anything
@carlosvicenty-9856 The fact is Necromorph mind control isn't based on immunity by a genetic basis, and a Marker on super Earth would slowly be influencing them to spread them across their worlds. So not even Helldivers are safe from having their minds dominated and turned into indoctrinated cultists for the morphs, and utilizing their weapons to kill other hell divers who didn't fall to the morphs influencing. Plus moons moving at lightspeed and launching psionic attacks across solar systems would essentially be impossible to hit, as they can change how you perceive them and a tentacle several miles long moving at light speed to cleave ships in half. Plus that they are a hivemind so if one learns something they all learn it instantly, and the fact they can just create a marker and fire it as a weapon that can end all life on a planet.
I love the idea of the Eldians joining Super Earth and Eren becoming a Hell Diver.
For your next HellDivers vs video I would recommend The Shroobs (Mario & Luigi: Partners In Time) and The Black Arms (Shadow The Hedgehog).
If HellDivers has drop pods I can see them Dropping them on titans, then you just have a bunch of helldivers walk out of the pod while the titan's body's head is replaced by the drop pod.
I think if you do an AU where the black marker was there before hand. The he’ll divers wouldn’t have nearly as much tech as they do now that was recovered from the war before current HD2. As the life outside of the earths system would be non existent (eaten by brother moons)
based solely on the information in this video, the Breaker Spray & Pray would do numbers against a necromorph outbreak
Im gonna say that summary of atot had several misunderstandings and incorrect information however I still 100% agree with the outcome 😂 good vid
Thanos exists: snaps all of super earth away
You either didn’t watch the video or are just naming random people to fight HD.
21:56 Thanos can do this so it would be cool to look deeper into him vs Helldivers
But can Helldivers survive:
Element 115?(COD zombies WAW-Black ops 4 storyline)
The Flood(Halo)
The Symbiote god Knull (Marvel Comics version)
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Love this keep it up
14:44 dont know how it took me this long to make the connection but the spikes are like a faster version of the black needle mold from splinter, that shit was cool! spikes are a cool idea for a monster. especialy since they dont just take over and reanimate flesh but strenghten it. though once thing the black mold does thta spikes dont is piece togather different bodies into one bigger creepy as shit flesh golem thing.
I wonder about Evangelion vs Helldivers. I kinda think that showdown depends on whether or not you're treating the fight as if they're from the same universe or from separate universes. If they're from the same universe, Human Instrumentality would wipe Helldivers without trouble, but if they're from separate universes in the fight then Helldivers would definitely win even if they couldn't destroy Unit-01.
I will argue for the necromorphs that the forms depend on the goal and targets so they could look completely different and have different abilities in the helldiver universe along with them not being limited to infecting humans. There are ways of infecting without killing like the infectors that inject you through the head and the swarmers that enter the mouth and take control. Also Issac being able to survive and defeat at least one of the moons was heavily reliant on his intelligence and resistance to the marker, allowing him to keep up with moon, but even then he was still tricked into leading them to earth in the 3rd game.
Yeah because Issac is an engineer with severely lacking technology. Super Earth can blow up the moons with casual weaponry. The rest of you points I already touched on in the video.
Anyone else want to see DOOM vs HELLDIVERS?
just to point out the absurdity of sams fucking cannon, if memory from the first encounter serves me right, the cannon balls for the fucking thing were even cased in uranium.
Against the necromorphs the arc thrower is would be really useful because it's powerful enough not only turn people into menace meat it is going to completely evaporate their nervous system then there is the arc towers which can do even more damage to them.
"why mental didn't just blow up the planet to kill sam" ... Well, he tried, in part 3 he literally throw THE MOON on earth but too late, well you know, it's just plot armor , it's classic ... Soo yup, without plot armor mental will easily take down the helldivers
I wasn’t asking why he didn’t blow up the earth. He didn’t have to do something so over the top. All he had to do was park one ship over where Sam was and drop a bomb down. It wouldn’t even have to be the size of a nuke. There are several instances where mental has alien invaders cover an entire city with enemies. He can’t get one ship with one explosive in that area. I call bullshit.
You’re also not saying how he would kill the Helldiver. Throwing a moon isn’t that impressive. Super earth casually blow up moons and create planet sized black holes.
@@rougarabidone black hole, and as i remember it was hard as fuck, wery not casually ... Never heard about blowing moons but ok ... and most important, Sam is not about only earth, humans found old alien technology and rebuilt it to have interstellar travels, "looks familiar?" ;) ... In serious sam humanity is literally beginning of helldivers, they began to spread very quickly throughout the galaxy until Sam accidentally messed up and sent a signal to which Mental came, Sam fought on literally every human planet and every time he had to retreat... “why not just blow it up” I said it’s just plot armor, like in any game where one main character scatters the enemy army like dust... imagine for a second that in Helldivers there will be no plot armor?) imagine that there is always only Difficulty level 10, robots and squids never miss, needle does not restore bones, every blow from even the smallest beetles cuts off limbs...we wouldn’t even be able to helldive, meat jelly would simply flow out of the droppod after such a blow😂 ... You can just call me funboy of serious sam but don't worry, because i guess i just talking to helldiver fanboy right now 🤷
@rougarabid heeey, did my answer deleted?
Bad argument. You were saying that mental would win only if we ignore literally everything about how he operates and how the enemies in the game work. You’re asking me to go off of your head cannon of how you want them to operate and how strong you want them to be. That isn’t how they are. In the game, one guy takes on the entire army. An army that isn’t as competent, widespread, or powerful as any of the armies in Helldivers. HDs do have instant healing technology, they do have ships that blow up moons, they can open up black holes to destroy planets, they can take hits from giant blades, explosives, acid, fire, lasers and all sorts of other damage. You just want me to pretend that all of that’s not true.
Call yourself a fan boy all you want but I’m not. Disagreeing with you doesn’t make me one. Helldivers are better in every way they need to to win.
@@rougarabid so my comment was here ... Hmm, anyway, what I just read is too funny to continue arguing ... “no you”
I wonder how G I Joe, transformers, and Thundercats worlds would do.
G I would likely lose fast, Cybertron and Third Earth have a chance.
"Recon Assault Vehicles".... Now we know what the RAV4 was intended for
39:10 they can do that, but only with one varient of necromorph. The infector. Both alive and dead as seen
Tbf, Silver Surfer at full strength has put an end to numerous galactic wars in the comics, including a war where both sides were propaganda driven war planets like super earth. If he could regain his strength, there's no stopping him.
How about helldivers vs murder drones, transformers, any of the mobile suit gundam animes ,gears of war , star trek and battletech
"can you stop with the helldivers videos"
Stop watching them. They're clearly getting views. I'm gonna watch all of em though cause they're cool
I unpaused the video and he said the exact same thing, neat.
You should do a similar video but with the terminids or automatons instead. Maybe even the Illuminate.
I’d wait with the illuminate. They just came back and we only have four enemy types so far. We don’t really know much about them or what they’ve been up to for the past hundred years. It’s a little soon.
@ yeah that’s true. But the bots would be cool
Irken empire from Invader Zim vs Super Earth
I feel like the brethren moons would lose if they split into small groups but if they just moved in 1 big group I’m pretty sure the Marker signal would be so intense the moment a super destroyer jumped into that system the crew would go insane within a manner of minutes let alone the planet sized tentacles that would rip a destroyer in half given the chance.
I’m not saying they will ultimately win but it definitely isn’t gonna be as simple as send a few destroyers to blow up a couple moons
TF did AOT do to you that warrented throwing them against a whole ass galactic empire?
30:28 just think about that number 38 MILLION divers, and it did not in anyway effect super earths fighting capabilities, we continued to have millions and millions of helldivers die all the time and it literally does not matter the war train continues on without a hiccup
Not just that, 38 million in only 3 days
I feel I should bring up a point about the guns of the Helldivers tearing the Necromorphs to pieces. Namely, they (mostly) wouldn't. remember when you said that liberator bullets (which penetrate light armor) can shatter titanium? Titanium is much harder than normal flesh. I don't know if Super-Earth has appropriate BS science, or if necromorph infection hardens flesh to the point it's as tough as titanium, but increasing bullet penetration means minimizing bullet cross-section and making the bullet harder to resist deformation when traveling through material. This makes it harder for a bullet to transfer energy via shockwaves into softer material by deforming, which is normally accomplished by using softer materials than the target and increasing bullet cross-section as it travels through the material. This means that most of the Helldiver's guns will drill small bullet-sized tunnels straight through the Necromorphs most of the time, barring times when bones are hit. don't worry, explosive weapons will probably work just fine.
AoT universe is earth, the drawn world map is just flipped upside down
Doesn’t sound like earth to me. Earth isn’t upside down.
Mirrored too
I’m pretty confident that it’s not required to be from super earth directly to be a citizen or member of seaf. I believe this cause I’ve over heard the npc on my ship out right say she had never step foot on super earth. So it could be someone born on a colony off planet. Not sure if this means they would be open to outsiders to join them. They clearly don’t do allies and definitely nobody that’s not humanoid.
@@Bxynextdxxr super earth isn’t a planet. It’s the government. If the planet super earth wore to ever fall, they would just move and name the new planet super earth. Being born on a colony under the umbrella of the super earth government still makes you a super earth citizen.
I Wonder If Serious Sam Could Be Like A Weapon Upgrader for The Helldivers
General Brasch himself soloes
Peak is back
Another great video. Got an idea if your interested: can these survivor's escape an scp containment breach like in secret laboratory?
I did an SCP video.
@rougarabid yea and it was great but it was about how the scp foundation would have dealt with those interesting entities.
Like what if rambo became a D class and had to escape during a secret lab containment breach? You can't tell me it won't be awesome.
Rouga, do a StarCraft vs Helldivers video next.
in the lore i belive that the illuminate has try join the super earth once before the war (probably they try beliving that doing that they don't will need join in a war agains super earth, remember that they are peaceful race before the war)
Know the illuminate tried for peace, talks to be allies with super earth. They did not agree to join and serve super earth. That’s never happened in the series.
Eren loves freedom. He’d love Super Earth
To the serious sam debate id say Mental has time travel on a logistical scale. How did you think sam got the ability to time travel in the first place?
Time travel pretty much negates most kinds of power scaling so it won't matter how many people, weapons and logistics you have if time is on the enemies side.
Also a theory from me is the only reason why Mental doesn't just laser Sam from orbit is because he actually enjoys toying with the guy. In one of the endings Sam literally goes where Mental was only to find a chair and screen as if the guy was watching his actions like a kid watching a Saturday morning cartoon lol. I also think thats why his general (not even gonna attempt to spell his name)decided to kill Kenny even though Sam was right there next to the guy........ aside from the obvious South park joke lol.
I know we like answers and all. But if there really was a magic blue centipede in a pond that turned someone into a giant monster. We would realistically never find out why ot what it was.
Ok, so first thing, necromorphs are necromorphs, a Brethren moon is the Apex of the Necromorphs, I'm not going to look at a slasher and say "Oh god, a Brethren moon!", I'm going to say "Oh god, a Necromorph!". Same way I'm not going to look at a flood combat form and say "Oh god the gravemind or Keymind". As a further point I don't refer to a single bolt as a car because it isn't a car yet and aside from this, Brethren moons don't just absorb all necromorphs, they keep an army of them on them as shown in DS3. This is just a dumb tangent, and is why scripts exist, it stops people from saying dumb shit.
Firstly, they are better than the flood but not the Demons of Doom, they are in a similar league but still beat out by them. The Brethren moons are not "moon" sized, they are the size of Mars or larger as shown in DS3A and they aren't just flesh, they contain large chunks of planets. The whole Tangent about it being wrong to put a black marker on super earth is dumb when the Brethren moons have a several billion year advantage and don't give a fuck who super earth thinks they are.
The marker still would have guided them to where it wanted them to be, it would manipulate super earth's needs for energy to use the marker instead of the terminids blood or anything like that. Humanity would be divided into at least 2 groups both still manipulated by the marker without realizing it, 1 fully siding with it tell death do them part and then some, the other against it but unknowingly doing exactly what it wants. A marker is a powerful nearly indestructible magic space rock with abilities such as endless energy, faster than light signals that cant be stopped by anything, the ability to instantly convert dead flesh or flesh without a soul in it into necromorph tissue, marker pulses which can take over low resistance individuals even while still alive, can turn a recently dead man into a 30 to 40 foot tall necromorph in literally seconds, can literally mind read everyone even without absorbing them, can survive having a continent dropped on a small man made 1, the shards literally held the planet together, the other shards were attempting to drive the USG ishimura back to earth for a year(the ship was badly damaged which prevented this), a single shard that fits in your hand can start a full scale outbreak, they can download themselves into everyone's minds driving them mad or to make more markers but also both, and so much more.
To put it lightly, a marker, hell even a shard is equal to a gravemind in intelligence and a keymind in abilities, but able start in stealth with corruption growing indefinitely which can be used to spawn completely new necromorphs out of nothing, or by pulsing which will start converting all dead flesh in mass, along with living people who have weak genetic resistance to the marker, which as shown in Dead Space mobile, was thousands of necromorphs in the first 5 minutes in just the government sector. Try to fight it, you can't as it always knows where you are and what you are planning, it knows what everyone is planning and it is directing hordes to counter you, fortifying strategic positions to stop you, cutting power or other important systems, and constantly pushing you to do what it wants without you knowing.
There is no question of if they will gain enough mass, it will be a when they do as they will create Brethren moons, and then you have already lost as they can just instantly kill everyone like they did to Isaac who is literally the most resistant you can be without being immune like Ellie who is a 1 in a billion chance of immunity by the way. Once super Earth reaches a breaking point, and extreme instability, the marker will start calling out to people about what it is, and super Earth's scientist won't resist having limitless energy, complete cellular immortality, cellular regeneration, and more for super Earth where the only problem is, it will give them nothing while it sets traps ahead of time so that once it is active, you will rapidly lose.
Body they didn't wait to long, they just let super earth get plump, ripe for the taking, as they always do, many more advanced civilizations have fallen to them, humanity was modified by the last group so eventually have a level of genetic resistance and in very rare cases immunity. Two named examples of immunity to the marker signal are Ellie Langford who is maybe 1 in a billion to just be undetectable unless someone finds her, and Lexine Weller who was a 1 in maybe 10 billion as she is the only immune person who puts off a small area of effect to pause the effects on those around her. Aside from them, Isaac is literally the most resistant person without immunity, under direct exposure to a marker, he still starts losing it within a day or 2 but he could recover himself with medical assistance and lasted a decade. Carver has decent resistance and is likely closer to what the average super earth soldier would be at and he was losing it within a day and actively doing the bidding of them unknowingly by night with it using his dead family against him to make him do what it wanted.
Also Isaac's equipment is stronger than that of super earth with a few of their weapons being in his lower to medium ball park like the arc gun which at its worst point out putted 210,000,000 joules over 35 meters losing 6,000,000 joules per meter, while at its peak, it outputs 330,000,000 joules over 55 meters and still loses 6,000,000 joules per meter putting it in his medium weapons. Isaac's javelin gun fires a 5 pound titanium spike at mach 52.79 hitting with 371,901,450 joules before an additional electric charge in the projectile outputs up to 8 arcs 5 meters in all directions for 2 seconds giving this 2,400,000,000 joules on top of the impact.
This only gets worse if we talk about upgrades, as Isaac can increase the velocity to mach 75 putting the impact at 743,802,900 joules, more than double the Arc thrower's total power output. Adding on the electricity which now last for 4 seconds adds 4,800,000,000 joules plus the explosive charges now included in the gun which is similar in power to an futuristic 60mm grenade. Not all of his weapons do this much mind you as the plasma cutter caps at 840,000 joules upgraded which is still far more than other helldivers weapons like the liberator which fires a 5.5x50mm round weighing 4.5 grams at 900 m/s which gives it an impact energy of 1,813 and a steel armor penetration of 11 millimeters.
As a more direct comparison, the standard issue assault rifle of dead space fires a 30 grain(1.94 grams) bullet from 3 different barrels at the same time at 11,499.64 m/s giving it an impact of 128,536.8 joules per bullet, 70.5 times stronger than the liberator. When upgraded, it hits with 231,366.24 joules or about 127 times more powerful than the liberator. The magazine of a liberator is 45 rounds, the magazine of a base pulse rifle is 50x3 and 175x3 maxed, then the fire rate of a liberator is 640 rounds a minute while the pulse rifle is capable of firing 3,780 rounds a minute.
Super earth has lost many planets to terminids, automatons, and the aliens without blowing up the surface of the worlds or planets because they do still care about the planet and infrastructure which can be recovered. In the actual outcome, super earth would have made markers across multiple worlds possibly all of them to power them with the markers going along with this as long as it helps them in the end, and then suddenly across all of super earth's space, there will be so many out breaks which will wipe the surfaces of planets clean and make a Brethren moon in hours, the forces of super earth can't be everywhere all at once and they can't focus on 1 world unless they want the entirety of their empire appearing in the same solar system as them while they are still trying to stop 1 outbreak. The children having hell divers grenades mean nothing, sure they can blow themselves up and maybe wound a necromorph but that doesn't eliminate either of them from use as the blown up chunks will just turn into corruption and the necromorph will either join it or be repaired or upgraded by the corruption.
Necromorphs can infect living tissue, this has been shown and written multiple times, they do infect on contact, the only reason you rarely see someone convert afterwards is because the medical technology of dead space is so advanced able to pump healing gel through you body to seal or flat out replace lost parts which also destroys the necromorphs tissue in the body so as long as your rig is full, you are fine. This is why necromorphs will fill a body with multiple wounds, so the RIG doesn't automatically heal the wounds and destroy the infection. An example of someone turning from infection is Nathan McNeil at the end of extraction who had been stabbed in the arm and pinned to a deck, he then cut his arm off and fought his way back a shuttle where the infection would later take over and transforms him into a slasher hours later, clone babies are freely used to make lurkers in DS1, another would be in Dead Space Salvage where a guy gets instantly assimilated by the corruption on the wall reaching out and touching his head, Franko in Dead Space 2 turned into a necromorph before his body actually died, body's don't just die by the way, it can take days to fully die, and in DS3, we see many necromorphs over 2 hundreds years old who's RIGs still show signs of life and feeders never died, they just ate necromorph tissue and slowly turned into necromorphs retaining their intelligence and abilities for long time after infection as they actively lured victims to them to eat them and spoke to people telling them they could smell them through walls. The rule is based off a soul being in the body, if not it is theirs, if you are directly assimilated, and if you have a low genetic resistance to them like thousands of people on titan station who were turned when the marker pulsed. Without medical technology like that of dead space, everyone in helldivers will turn into necromorphs rapidly, gas will fill your skies and unless your suit is vacuum sealed, your cooked.
The strength of necromorphs isn't that they are hard to kill, it is that they are nearly impossible to kill, no amount of flesh is to little to be used, nail clippings and skin shavings is enough to start corruption growth which will rapidly grow cubic feet every hour, a Necromorph you blow apart will either heal and get back up in an hour, turn into something else, or turn into corruption where it will rapidly turn into dozens of new necromorphs. They are also super strong easily ripping through titanium and steel, they can jump so hard, they cause titanium to literally explode against them, they literally strike with dozens of tons of force, and they can all take this kind of shit to, the liberator wouldn't even match a divet gun which takes hundredsof rounds to take down a single slasher, a slasher is a 700 to 800 pound faster than sound super zombie with strength and durability on par with something like spartans from halo that don't feel pain and won't stop attacking until they literally can't move, they and burn the bodies if you want, an 8000°C degree flamethrower or hotter when upgraded literally can't burn them enough to destroy them entirely, just temporarily disabling them, you're better off nuking them.
A scorcher would do next to nothing to a slasher, the actual impact is less than the halo assault rifle and the plasma could be as low as 6000°k, it would just wash over their skin and lightly burn them. It wouldn't even blow apart a lurker let alone a slasher or a brute who can shrug off explosions equal to or far greater than tank rounds. You are really going to ask if necromorphs can hurt a helldiver because they are wearing titanium, so was the titan station security, so we're the soldiers of the USM Valor, and so is Isaac. The under suit of dead space is woven super alloy titanium which not only takes advantage of the strength of titanium but also the advantage of woven materials like Kevlar, his armor and the soldiers of the Valor are far more durable off this alone, let alone the actual plating and gel layer which becomes nearly indestructible crystalline structures on impact under the armor which also auto repairs if pierced. As if ripping through titanium starship hauls wasn't enough evidence to show that a hell divers is being ripped in half with ease, how can you actually know so little about something and speak with such confidence, charybdis would drown in your ignorance.
A few hundred years of selective breeding does not equal the RIGs ability to augment even tiny women to throw with more than a thousand pounds of force, that is a civilian RIG, Isaac has shown feats in the dozens to possibility hundreds of tons of force. They can react to massively hypersonic to relativistic weapons and still get speed blitzed by necromorphs, Isaac out of armor has survived being shot 7 times in the gut with guns that hit with 100,000 joules only taking a quarter of his health and was fine, he has tanked anti ship mines which blow apart huge chunks of ships with shielding and several feet of titanium hauls.
A premature Brethren moon which is hundreds if not thousands of times weaker than the real deal was capable of controlling gravity to rip apart a larger planet with 12.192 gravity easily ripping roughly a continent into the atmosphere within seconds, it also used these powers to slow its fall when the machine was turned back on, the machine was stated to have the ability to crush a moon against the planet by accelerating it's gravity by thousands of times, the premature Brethren moon not only survived the impact, it was still fully intact and torturing Isaac.
When Isaac came into contact with the real deal, they had showed that they can use this ability to move faster than light as they had already killed off all of humanity by the time Isaac got back to Earth and then show that they can just instantly kill Isaac with a thought, the peak of humanity's resistance, stands no chance, so even if you are all immune or find a way to harm them, it can literally crush planets to dust in a drive by, they can instantly kill everyone, and convert them to necromorphs, which will kill anyone who was immune as every one around them turns on them. Also again, a full size Brethren moon is the size of Mars and as long as the earth, their mouth could hold our moon in it and crush it.
The aliens don't have better mental abilities, it isn't even close to a marker who literally rewrites minds to make more of them that can't be undone, grabbing a shard rewrote a man's whole reality in an instant, and so on. This match is a wash but not for Super Earth, they call themselves gods because they are, they hold the knowledge of dozens of galaxies if not the entire universe many times over, they have wiped out everything every dozens of times, that is why it is all dead space.
Helldivers with ODM gear? Thats a lot of hamster like deaths in game lol
Nah The silver surfer with the power cosmic is more than capable of destroying everything hell divers has. every ship every planet across the entire galaxy he's that powerful
Do you read comics?
@rougarabid what does that have to do with this
Got another fantastic idea for ya. Super Earth versus the Sayians. Not modern Goku and Vegita. I mean like pre-explosion Planet Plant.
I mean raditz was considered weak. And he could catch bullets. So yeah a saiyan is wiping them. A singular Saiyan.
the super destroyers can just level the face of the planet from space and destroy all technology and food, they can also intercept the space pods they use. frieza would wipe them though, once he reaches superearth he would just take it all over.
however if they know about frieza they could play around him after destroying his ship, monitoring him from afar, leaving planets before he arrives, even if frieza himself can travel at light speed he would basically be stranded, wandering through space.
So when you say none of the attack on titan countries or continents are shaped like Earth... just turn the map upside down lol
Paradis is literally Madagascar
Have you done helldivers versus doom?
…I think.
I’ll double check but if not, that seems like it’d be a cool matchup
Better question for super earth vs attack on titan
Would they be able to defend the rumbling