Why this Manga Artist hates his Masterpiece
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
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Tatsuya Endo, author of Spy x Family - one of the most popular animes to come out in the Spring and Fall seasons of 2022 anime - said in an interview that he didn't have any feelings of affection towards the characters he drew and the internet went beserk. Later it was found out that it was a clickbait article that took the quote out of context - but the damage was already done.
The series, featuring Loid Forger, Yor Forger, and Anya Forger (code named Twilight and the Thorn Queen) was a smash hit in the spring and fall 2022 anime roster, with Anya particularly becoming anime's next viral pink haired anime girl in a series of missions to preserve peace and order in a world inspired by the cold war. Loid, tasked with raising a family to achieve his goals, adopts Anya as his child and marries Yor to cement his identity, but it turns out having a fake family is more work that it turns out to be. The ensuing antics, cuteness, and hilarity topped Spy x Family as one of the biggest animes to come out in 2022
Damn, being forced to draw something you're not passionate about to get by sounds soul crushing. I hope Endo reaches the point where he can truly draw what he wants without needing to conform to his audience.
It doesn't sound soul crushing. It is soul crushing. It's the exploitation of talent by a broken system.
No one gives a shit about his previous works, he could draw whatever he wanted, no one needed it. When they "force" him to draw something new, it blew up and gave him money and audience. At the end of the day system gave us an excellent show and resources to the artist. I'd say the system works just fine.
@@Ambussing You have a point, and fortunately HitReg tells us that it made him happy because Spy x Family is popular or at least that's what we are to believe, but it remains that if the artist's work isn't recognized unless they do something that everyone will like for sure it doesn't feel like their work is truly seen for what it is.
It's a grey area where yes the artist gets their work seen and everyone can enjoy it but is it really what they want to do and what they want everyone to see about them?
There's no simple answer to that question because everything is ambiguous and the truth of the matter is, no matter what happens in the future, if the artist feels at least a minimum fulfilled with their work then we can say they've done more than most artists in this world.
At least he knows he has the talent to make stories
But he needs to eat. He needs money. Nobody is going to feed him to be self-passionate
And the best thing about SpyxFamily is there's a lot of dark stuff sprinkled here and there like the nature of Yor's Job, the cold dark reality of a war, Loid's backstrory, Handler backstory. None of this dark stuff can exists in other light hearted-esc anime, Spyxfamily influenced by the darker manga Endo had made before
Endo definitely did manage to sneak some of what he wanted to write in there, and it's honestly impressive that he managed to balance stuff
@@HitRegBrokepretty amazing balance of wholesome lightheartedness without the dark and mature backround
And a 4 year old girl being abandoned at least 4 times . That shit is depressing af but we can't perceive it because Anya is ever so cheerful.
@@subratanandy2142yea because Anya doesn’t feel like a traumatic kid at all which is weird. They explored it in first few chapters but his character build requires more attention although world wise it’s cool.
the handler's speech on war that she gave to the students was like a punch in the gut lol. reminded you of the actual reality behind the story lol
This idea of people thinking that Endo should just turn SxF into dark and gritty story is revolting to me.
He literally wrote those kind stories and it didn't work.
His previous works are just another stories on the dark and gritty manga genre.
SxF is something else. You can feel the fragility of forger family, the pain of the characters, the dreadful future.
It all happen because Rin's strict rules and Endo working creatively under those rules.
indeed, artists work better when they are on a leash.
nah
I think it's because he focuses on the characters and their inner thoughts so much that Spy X Familly is so successful. He'd probably be able to turn out a dark story that very successful as well. But not Spy X Family.
I used to buy the mangas at m bookstore to support the author, but I no longer do that anymore. The backstory of the war is super interesting and so is Yor's. Anya's cute. She's great comedic relief. But after like 5 books of the manga and seeing we're not getting any closer to Loid's goal, instead, the stories sprinkled in the books is more slice of life with the Forger family than anything, I lost my interest. There's a TON of slice of life anime nowadays - especially romance. I wanted to read and see something a little different for once and don't mind the comedic relief, but it's just too much
@setiem13 not necessarily. It's moreso when the artist knows what works and what doesn't AND is able to balance their desires and reality. While this is able to be helped by editor and publisher feedback, it ultimately relies on the artist having the humility and skill to strike a practical balance between their vision and in the case of widely published manga, a product that has to generate revenue for themselves and the company employing their services.
Companies can just as well put too much of a leash on an artist and take actions that end in the death of an IP as the voice behind it is silenced in favor or what the company (who's largely run or financed by people who simply don't write or draw these stories or really even consume them) thinks will generate the most profit.
To a large extent the anime and manga industry runs in a manner similar to a stock market which has created massive issues in the production of these storytelling mediums and is one of many driving factors for the oncoming decline of many major anime and manga studios.
It's better the say that an artist wanting to make a living in this kind of industry works best when they and the company they work with are able to strike a balance between their respective desires in order the make the best product they can, expressing an artists desired vision while keeping a property financially viable for both the author and publisher. Leashing is not practical when compared to good communication and planning.
It's so interesting to know that SxF was the amalgamation of every other manga Endou had worked on until that point, it's also so weird to know that Anya's design is almost exactly the same as another character he made for another manga, just much younger.
I mean, now i want to go read his other stuff.
This is literally how most artists operate? You have a bunch of ideas in your head, then you try and find a way where they all fit and you find a way to make them work. Or you build off your ideas.
@@hhjhj393 Like Tsubasa of Clamp is made off of characters from their previous works
Same thing happed with My Hero and Hellsing.
The manga artist, Tatsuya Endo, did not necessarily hate his masterpiece. Instead, he felt that he had lost passion for the story and was struggling with depression. This led to him feeling disconnected from the work he had created, which he had previously poured his heart and soul into.
Endo's struggle with depression and lack of passion for his work was not related to the quality or success of the story. In fact, the story, Spy x Family, became a massive hit and was well-received by both readers and critics. However, Endo's feelings of disconnection and depression made it difficult for him to enjoy the success and appreciate the work he had created.
With the help of his friend, Rin, Endo was able to recognize that he could overcome his depression and create something new. He returned to the industry with a new story, Spy x Family, which became a massive hit and helped him regain his passion for creating manga.
Depression is hard to get over. Especially in countries like Japan where there's no psych help, and it's frowned upon to receive. It has a way of training your brain to always be sad, because the circuitry gets stronger the longer it goes on, and to try and get out of it also causes pain.
It also has a disassociation effect, so I'm not surprised Endo is having trouble with Spy x Family.
In short burn out + depression.
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@@yellingfrog9351 I ran the whole transcript and the title through my prompt, so I dont have to watch 10 minutes of bloat and then shared it here. I got a whole 2 minute vid on the process if you are curious.
@@Maebbie holy shit dude I sincerely apologize; I was not aware you were a fucking genius
There's already plenty of darkness in the backgrounds of the world and characters. The story has dark and violent moments. But the found family aspect of three desperate and lonely people is what sets the story to another level. Yes, it's primarily a comedy, but it's on the edge of being a dark comedy. Even the family dog has a horrible and tragic backstory. This is a family that has already suffered through a lot of trauma. And are trying to make a happier world and life.
From what I've seen. People who make dark stuff and then put effort towards making something lighter, tend to actually make better "lighthearted" content than those who just make lighthearted content. I personally think it's because there's oftentimes dark themes worked into the stories, which work to bolster the lighthearted moments all the more. Light often looks brighter when it's piercing darkness. There are exceptions, but that's what I've observed
that's so sad! spy family was the only anime my mother liked and asked me to watch with her. other stuff either has some fan service or demonic stuff for her. i didn't even know what other family friendly anime to show her. without spy family i wouldn't even be able to get her to like my interest
Vinland Saga?
@@whateverwhatever4476 Not exactly Family Friendly. The whole consistent graphic violence kinda removes it from consideration.
I'd say Gibli movies are hard to go wrong with for normal people. Like Howl's Moving Castle or Spirited Away.
There's also Trigun, both versions and the movie are rather family friendly. I got my mom hooked on Fruit's Basket.
Buddy Daddies. It's about 2 assassins who found a lost little girl and have to babysit her.
@@zetsumeinaito Full Metal Alchemist and Castlevania were the two times I succeed in getting my mother interested in an anime series.
My sister has a daughter that loves ballet, so I think Princess Tutu could be an interesting recommendation. I even was able to meet one of the voice actors of Tutu.
Sad? I'd say it's a pretty heartwarming tale all things considered.
It's a real shame because I like dark anime. Hopefully this allows him to branch into the mainstream and make a darker story popular too. We do need variety in the industry.
lol no. we have way too much gritty and edgy stuff in the industry lol
I agree so much with this!! I love dark anime- I wish there were better quality ones now a days though
@@killme5630 we dont. tell me one this season
@@killme5630 edgy but in shounen sense edgy. I need more actual drama/tragedy.
@@Dat_Jonx Death Note is one example of a shounen that is darker than most.
Spy x Family too feels like the first good times after a depressive episode.
All characters in the story have sad pasts and now they're trying to enjoy it to the fullest.
Introducing fujimoto as a prodigy by showing the clip where he tries to levitate is just comedic genuis
i feel like everyone introduces him like that tbh
@@HitRegBroke yet it stays peak lol
twitter opinion = invalid opinion
They always felt like a whining of a pampered child from a rich family, not all, but most (at least in my opinion)
Amazing video man! I never knew the story of him. Everything down the the script writing and the pacing of the video was perfect!
Thank youuu
There's nothing in existence that doesn't trigger Twitter
Whe should just call it being "twittered" 😂
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the story telling in this video is so good! you've got a real skill for this stuff!
Thank you so much!
That ending was deep especially right now when I'm having a art block
As an artist, it sucks. But I believe in you!
Edit: The original title was "The anime Twitter said should exist."
That is such a terrible title. This is so much more interesting than just Twitter being Twitter. This a story of a man who has issues balancing what sells and what he wants to make, and finding something that isn't quite what he wanted to make yet finding the joy in how passionate people can be - proving that "what sells" and going against what you usually make doesn't necessarily have to be work that is passionless but instead something that resonates with others and, eventually, you.
There's something beautifully poetic in the way it comes full circle with the author, and anyone who focuses on the Twitter aspect has clearly not watched the entire video and just focused on the title.
I'd imagine you've had to go through a lot of interviews and materials to get to make this story. Especially amazing how natural you make the dialogues are - I highly doubt there's any actual records of them or that's the way they talked about it, so you must've gone through the interviews and pieced together an interesting and natural way to get those information across as a story for the audience.
So for the love of god, get a better title, because this actual video is so much more interesting than the title make it to be and people should focus on the actual story in the video than the current title.
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Insightful
I would say his desire to write darker themes might've helped spy family lighter moments shine as well, the back drop of the war and police state and tragic backstories blend weirdly well with the "pretend" domesticity of the family.
Yeah, I think that looming darkness bubbling under was what makes this story so good
I only recently started watching the show, and once I watched this video I'm happy that Endo was able to make bits of the show somewhat dark. There's a clear balance where all the main characters have faced such traumatic experiences but when it came to family they still have each other at least.
So, Endo hated his Spy X Family story for not being allowed to be "too dark". I understand the frustration he was experiencing writing this series as dark fiction is obviously his favorite genre, but I do not think he should be forced to write other genres that he is not a fan of. Shonen Jump may not be the best place for him to work at nor should he keep writing for the Shonen demographic. I say he should go to Seinen magazines and write darker stories for an older demographic. That maybe the best solution for him.
How is he supposed to earn money then?
@@RKNancy Indeed.
What the hell!!!
Youre editing and voice management has massively improved, why didnt this video get more views?😢
Aw thank you! I really appreciate the sentiment
ahhh the complex world of writers and their art
It can be pretty crazy. I'm something of a beginner writer and got a good idea for a story, but I didn't have a character to be a protagonist. When I created my protagonist, I said multiple times to myself that I didn't like her that much, because I felt like she was just thrown there to fullfill the role of a protagonist so I could show the story. But I had something inside of be that really wanted her to be more. After lots of thinking and writing, I can say today that she's one of my favorite characters in the story. Her simplicity is what makes her so appealing most of the times when she interacts with other characters and this makes a better experience for me as a (beginner) writer.
I really hope a dark story of his pops off one day. There certainly is an audience for it, such as myself
when the story came out and people were upset all i could think of was...how many of us go to jobs we dislike to varying degrees because we need a paycheck; its basically the same thing. I'd imagine most of the 'creative' sphere is the same, those faceless people who draw anime or cartoons probably don't like the show they're working on, i've also heard from a few artist friend that don't really like doing p0rn commissions but that is the bread and butter to pay the bills so they still draw them.
I've never seen someone make such amazing videos, and get so little credit.
Thank you
You have very much so earned a new sub, amazing content I really enjoy learning about manga creators
There's a ton of dark anime and manga, that's probably why his previous work did'n't stick. One of the best things about SXF is how everything is layered, Loyd and Yor have a very dark side, every adult in the series lies, the only genuine character is Anya. I just want the series to avoid dragging for too long and getting a satisfactory ending.
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Interesting video man,
For video ideas can you do one on The Seven Deadly Sins author? apparently he went several canceled series before making it big with SDS, failed as a shonen Jump author and apparently draws all the art by himself with no assistants!??
I'll look into it! But right now I have a massive video under the works. hope you're around to see it :)
He made it big with Fairy Tail, not SDS. SDS is his second big Manga
@@angquangnguyenthac2833 how the F* you mix hiro machima with nakaba suzuki?
@@filipeoliveiraladislau4533 I think you mixed it up first tbh
7:33 bro tried to sneak astolfo in there
HEY
Spy x Family comedy is how the main characters try to adapt and pretend to be normal and happy while living during the dark and dangerous Cold War. Much of the comedy is from the extreme effort made to create a fake facade by the three main characters to fool everyone and each other with Anya the telepath being the main narrator of this story.... it is very over the top funny stuff... Endo's experience with the dark side appears to give the story's darker parts more realism and which makes the main characters OP maneuvers to escape the darker challenges all that more funny.
HitReg, that was awesome video! The editing was sooo good! You earned a sub. I hope your videos get more attention in the future!
Thank youuu
I love your editing man, keep going its great
Screw what Twitter thinks.
They do do goofy shit sometimes
I just love your presentation of the events
thank you
Spy x Family is very cookie cutter, sure its cute and its a good show. But im sure his visions were something in the action genera with an amazing story. Its like growing a channel with all these amazing videos then click baiting 1 video with a girl and its now your most popular video.
tbh, I think he could make a dark series in the same world as an off shoot. War is war, and there's always more people and stories caught up in it.
i really life your style of editing , haven't seen so unique content in a while
I’m not one to comment too much, but I just wanted to tell you that your videos and editing skills are super amazing! :))
They make these anime documentaries very entertaining to watch and I’ve become hooked. Thank you for these wonderful videos and keep up the amazing work! 💖👍🏻
Yeah I love this channel even tho I can't verify the sources it s the only channel I know of that does this type of videos but why the views is low
WHY TF IS THERE JUST 600ISH LIKES I THOUGHT THIS WAS POSTED 6HOURS AGO-ISH BC THIS IS GOLD EDITING + COMMENTARYYY
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Ah, the classic struggle artists of all types have. Be it music, painting, sculpting, film, etc. To die a starving artist, or bend the knee to the populace and get paid.
WAIT WAIT WAAAAIT HE DID GEKKA BIJIN? HOLY SMOKES!!! That thing was GLORIOUS! I never gave a damn about Spy x Family (shoot me) but Gekka Bijin??? Damn, MASTERPIECE!
Sad, but love the video like always. Honestly man, was this inspired by business wars
idek what business wars is LOL but thank you!
When you cant draw just for the fun of it, and have to do it for a system that's screwed up, is heartbreaking.
But Spy x Family is a masterpiece and im glad he made it
you know, it's pretty inspiring to see that I don't have to spend billion iterations on character design, sometimes the placeholders are just fine
This just hits deep that I admire this proper deep thought of his backround
If you really want to see someone hate their work, look no further than Kazuhiko Katō; the creator of _Lupin III._ Though in his case, it's less to do with a hate for Lupin and more to the fact that the Series is tied into "Monkey Punch", the studio that licensed it. He hated the companies' name and that his work is tied in to it being the ONLY thing actually keeping the company afloat and relevant all these decades later. It's much like the "Trash Boat" situation from _Regular Show_ if you stop and think about it...
WHAT! That is so crazy to think that Chainsaw man and SxF come from the same editor? BRO
As someone who’s hyperfixation is spy x family, knowing Endo’s history only makes it more interesting. Spy x family is so overwhelmingly human, and it only could’ve been made by someone like Endo. Idk how to explain it but this story is born out of living. Endo is such a good author, and Spy x family is definitely his best work.
Your videos are incredible, keep it up!
This gives the oneshot Lookback a WHOLE new perspective
It's time for the Golden Age arc of SpyXfamily to end and the Eclipse arc to start.
The Eclipse was the end of the Golden Age, genius. The following arc was the Conviction Arc.
excuse my Berserk media illiteracy. But you get the point.@@GrabbandeseNuts
God, Spy X Family was born from someone being forced to do it.
*BOYCOTT* this trash my dudes. Support the creator! Let them know artist wont be manipulated into doing what they're not passionate about!
I can't watch this forced garbage anymore.
He’s not being forced to do it lol. The reason he keeps producing the series is because no one cares about any of his other work. And if you’ve read you’d know why: they’re not very good.
It's nothing new actually. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, author of Sherlock Holmes , had originally planned on ending the series(can I call it a series??) relatively early on by having Sherlock Holmes killed but then the brits ppl were like protesting, not goin to work and wearing black arm-bands and sh1t. So he had to continue(continue making masterpieces that is). Sad thing is when he died , there wasn't much of a fuss like when Sherlock Holmes did. Man I'm bad at explaining sh1t, watch a video essay on the biography of the authour for justice. 🙇
these videos have been great lately, will you do a kishimoto video to finish "The big 3"
Appreciate it dude!
"if it works out, she'll have a name"
I like some of the dark animes. They usually touch more on issues that stem in reality.
Me too! Just unfortunate that dark typically reaches a smaller audience
That most replayed spike tho!!!😅
No waaay! I have the Moon Princess manga standing right next to Spy Family on my shelf. I never noticed before that it's the same author!? How come I didn't notice!?
A key ingredient a good sense of wholesomeness is avoiding a catastrophy. So the author should give themself the credit for creating the catastrophy
Cool ... where's the hate? XD what a click baity title. But nice video, know i appreciate this artist more, i thought that working for fujimoto was the golden ticket, but no, he is a struggler
Started typing a comment and then realized I got click baited like a minute in. God dammit
I love this videos men why the views are so low I don t want to lose the quality or any futur videos don t give up I ❤️
Aw thank you
maybe it's just me but the dialogues are so cringe so I skipped those part. I'm sorry. Telling us directly would sound better IMO. No offense.
This was awesome!
Thank you!
"Fire punch"
I... I thought it was called Fire fist
But after 1 year when you realise Spy x family maybe a happy happy series which sometimes drops such deep pshycologies that Naruto's talk no jutsu would fail..... I mean the way it show's cold war is awesome..... It have his favourite Spy and Yor for blood and death then Anya for selling the story and keeping the reader's.... Mix of his work and our demand
I forgot how young fujimoto is
yea hes pretty young
Did rin actually supervise tatsuki fujimoto💀if so bro was watching him make fire punch and was like wtf who is this man💀
yea and i cant imagine how much of a fever dream that shit was LOL
I wish there was a progression of age throughout the story that would have had me way more invested.
Great video, glad the author proved those people wrong and that is nice he liked dragon ball and kyou kara ore wa authors as well.
I'd say SxF still has a dark undertone.
Man, this makes me really reconsider how I feel about this series overall...
Might I suggest Full Metal Alchemists author next, not necessarily cuz I'm a big fan of the series. But, I'm curious to see what it was like for a woman to succeed in the manga industry.
Naoko Takeuchi predates Hiromu Arakawa. She is the mangaka of Sailor Moon. I would love to hear her story more. By the way, she is married to Yoshihiro Togashi, the creator of Yu Yu Hakusho and Hunter X Hunter.
I love the part where this guy told us why the mangaka hates his masterpiece.
the audio in this video needs some work
At first I was not impressed of the anime, but when I started I liked it off the go. I love how Anya goes WAKU WAKU
7:34 we all just gonna pretend we didn’t just call Astolfo a cute “girl”
CAUSE HE’S A CUTE MAN
One of those is not like the others
another great vid, how does he do it?
Dang this is so underrated 😭
aw thank you
That was an amazing video
Thank you
A bit later than most responses, but my thoughts on first hearing this is that Endo should get over himself. That is a problem a lot of talented artists and creators have. People in general in fact, what someone is good at, is oftentimes not what they are passionate about. When it comes to professional work, it's always been more about what people will pay you for, not what you want to do. As Millennials and Zoomers have yet to figure this out, I think it's been having a profound impact on society. To put things into perspective due to early life experience I wanted to dedicate myself to catch very bad people, I educated and trained extensively to do so, and then wound up actually being employed by exactly the kind of people I would have considered the bad guys.... the Casino Industry. I was a sex abuse victim and for like 10 years of my life almost anyone who I was close to was either family, a very close sub-set of co-workers I couldn't publically acknowledge for all intents and purposes, or involved in sex work, or running some kind of grift in one way or another. While I miss the money, it messed me up a lot, but if it wasn't for that, I wouldn't even have the little bit I do now I don't think.
At any rate I think Endo's real problem was that he was trying to do dark and edgy stuff at a time when there were a lot of super-talented people doing the same kinds of stuff all over the world. Even being good at it, doesn't matter if there are a lot of people in recent memory, perhaps even the ones who inspired you, who were so much better than you are at that kind of thing.
Even since the 1990s era high-edgelordism has been cool, everyone who wants to be profound is always about darkness, despair, and nastiness. There are only so many ways you can say "life seems futile and unfulfilling, it has no meaning, and human existence is suffering" directly, metaphorically, a combination of the two, eventually it all drowns itself out and you have to be something really special to even register. To be fair in that environment knowing how to be optimistic and have some kind of positive vibe is what makes you stand out, as nobody wants that sort of thing non-stop. Ever since the 1990s people have been remarking that it seems every creative has some idea of what hell and endless suffering might be like, each more terrifying and convincing than the last, but yet you will search far and wide without seeing anything similar done with heaven or happiness. That in of itself is a problem, you cannot really do the Yin without the Yang, and it was long ago noticed pop culture was being destroyed because of it. I think Spy X Family succeeded because it's relatively upbeat, and yes it had dark bits, but those dark bits just reinforce it's upbeat nature as you cannot have good without bad, or at least not convincingly.
See if he had gone full dark with this, given what he thinks of Assassins, he probably would have done something like "Noir". The problem is, we already had "Noir". Let's also not forget Kentaro Miura pretty much defined our current era of dark fantasy with "Berserk", even if he never finished it. This is still hugely influential, and really, your just not going to out edgelord that guy while still telling a good strory.... if you want to do this stuff you need to wait for memories of guys like that to fade.
Interesting video 👍
Thank you 👍
You don't live out of edgyness!
You don't live out of edgyness!
You don't live out of edgyness!
i can't unsee chained Anya now ... seems cooler tho and Tista
Good stuff mate
He's only using 1% of his power. Lost his passion. Still pumped out great stuff
I should read his stuff before spy x family
Very well made. I read he isn't drawing his favorite story/ he doesn't really like spy x famly but this is nice to know.
tho ngl, a little to ecchi for my sake
Lyn-sama please keep Sensei on his meds...
Imagine if spy x family ends in a way thats not how it seems like it would
i love your videos
Appreciate it
What about millionaire detective
Wait, Gekkabijin? I read this manga, but it had entirely different content. Wet. And H.
Great Video man
Keep it up
Thank you :)
8:55 SERAPH OF THE END REPRESENT!
Must be so hard getting rich making a worldwide sensation
This proof of the truth, the dark side of anime/animation in Japan. Forced labor(or enslaved) in Animation industry.
Oh, it shouldn't exist, alright.
Moral : keep going
keep going :)
gud thing one of em aint called obito
I do not understand how Spy Family is so o
Popular. It looks pretty average. I do not understand what makes it stand out, but then again, Demonslayer passed One Piece, so what do I know.
boost the algo!
LOL thank you