The clear ice myth
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2022
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A while ago I made some perfectly clear ice using a cooler, and I thought it was pretty cool. There were a lot of comments though, that said I could have saved a lot of time and effort, by just boiling the water, so I've decided to test that out.
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Even if boiling it did make clear ice, it would still be way more work than just pouring tap water into a cooler. Boiling the water is just extra work for no reason.
You finally responded
I thought you were 6 feet under
i need to know if there is a tall bit not that wide cup and a shorter but wider cup that both have a same amount of same temperature water and you put the exact same pieces of ice in both which ice melts faster or is there no difference
Some people just spew out so much shit from their mouths, they were probably raised upside down.
Hi
I once melted an Ice cube just by staring at it angrily. It took a lot longer than I expected.
This is the funniest unfunny joke I've seen all day
Obviously you weren't angry enough
@@WanderTheNomad Yeah he should've just turned into a super saiyan
Lol! Gazerbeam!!! 👀
The eyes have it!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Your anger was lukewarm... you could say, room temperature.
Man, roasts by actual scientists are on a whole other level.
“You’re wrong, and now I will *empirically demonstrate in real time* why you’re wrong.”
What is funny is that half of the USA would still reject the evidence or say it's falsified
Basically how science should work.
And after that they reach for the Hammer of Punishment
@@zxbzxbzxb1 DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE?!
_SMASH_
and then the person who is wrong still claims to be right
I used to manage a bar where we made clear ice cubes for whiskey serves and certain cocktails. We used the cooler method, the amount of people that said "just boil it" drove me faaackin nuts. The worst part was they used to argue it!
Funny enough, Vlad Slickbartender went through this exact same process: he made clear ice for his drink, everyone in the comments said to just use boiled water, and he made a video disproving it.
I never heard of this myth before, but it's crazy how so many people try to challenge the experts with info that has proven to be factually wrong.
I have heard it before. But the version I heard is that you have to boil it, let it cool, then boil it again before freezing it. Still I don't see the point on that
I think a lot of it comes from lifehack channels that just lie
@@anonopossum nah I heard it from people in person from before the internet
It's crazy that people perpetuate this myth when it's so easy to test it themselves.
"it's crazy how so many people try to challenge the experts with info that has proven to be factually wrong." yeah like antivax people
The remaining ice cubes that thought they would survive after seeing the others brutally crushed: "Phew!"
Nilered: "And so you thought!"
@КSl 🅥 what your brain?
I was thinking about reporting this video to yt for violent and repulsive content
@@Kurt_Philanderer I can’t tell if this is a bot or a joke by a real commenter
@@alex.g7317 the latter. Bots are mainly used for advertising
@@ElBozoVR meh I think it's empty
When a science/chemistry RUclips creator stops posting for extended periods of time, it gets CONCERNING. Glad he’s still alive!
YES lol. But i think its actually because each video genuinely takes so long to edit and put together. if you see on his main channel (nilered) he posts videos every five months. probably because he is working on other things or still finishing off and perfecting other experiments he is doing/filming
he has a podcast, he's there regularly
RUclips just generating deepfakes and collecting on the revenue themselves.
Yes, I honestly thought something happened and I just keep telling myself that maybe he is working on a project
@@seanramos9114 i get that, i found an old channel on thermitic reactions, the next part had been mentioned and then the channel just becomes dead. And it was kind of foreshadowed by that youtuber mentioning the disappearance of HIS favorite yt chemist.
great vid, thanks Nilered.
to the people suggesting vacuum chambers and boiling:
- water boils at room temp if you pull vacuum.
- a hard vacuum brings water below its triple point, so it will phase change gas-to-solid or solid-to-gas. no liquid water.
- boiling water mainly removes water from the water.
- water that is cooling down regains dissolved oxygen and other gasses that were released when it was heated.
idk why but "boiling water removes water from water" is really funny to me 😆
The legend is back! We missed you!
If only he'd make main channel videos :'(
I'm so happy to see him back
@@Zillathegod515 same here!
@@gnatdagnat They will come back. Don't worry!
wow one minute ago
The way he crushed the ice really made me laugh
@КSl 🅥 don’t click on this
Watch How to Basic. You’ll laugh your balls off.
Not in the destruction of those ice r.i.p ice cubes 🙏 😭🤣
@@alex.g7317 he literally make his house burn🤧💀
You can feel the passive agressiveness. The ice represents all the people who told him to boil the water peremptorily
When we’ve seen you handle chemicals dangerous enough most of us probably wouldn’t be allowed in a room with, I think it’s funny they’re trying to correct you with something like this. They went straight from hypothesis to conclusion, when even a child (with parental help) could have tested this before hand!
Yep. Its literally one of the easiest things to test, yet they didn't.
To be fair the way humanity learns new things is through a scientific process, but most individuals don't reproduce all experiences and make their own conclusions, that'd be awfully inneficient, they're just told the informations and retain it.
So when something untrue spreads it's expected that most people won't verify it through experience even if the experience is easy to do.
As I said before, literally everyone in the comment section of any science vid is some sort of expert lol
That's exactly what I thought.
It's so satisfying to me cause it's this perfect closed circle. They basically yell 'HELLO IM STUPID' cause only people who believe everything could have written those comments 😂
@@cortexavery1324 I guess I'm not part of humanity then cause I double check literally everything someone tells me. Even if friends and family tell me about something my first impulse is to research and collect my own information about it. Cause they could have wrong or only half of the information. I want everything I can get
I heard of the boiled water thing from an old show called "Rough Science", where they tried that to make clear ice for a magnifying lense to start a fire. It didn't work for them either.
they tried to make clear ice for what
If you're trying to make an ice magnifying glass, I don't think you should have a science channel
Nile: Hasn’t uploaded in months
His viewers: I think we all know what happened
He uploaded on his Nileblue channel few days ago so he is probably making videos back
@@Physalia_1Did you forget that some people don’t even know he has a second or third channel.
Hope he will upload soon.
@@Canetoady yeah, he rarely mentions about those
I mean he uploaded a video on the main channel just a month ago
@@camerondailey2627 i already know that
It's been 3 months man pls come back!
He is ok here is he's podcast youtube.com/@safetythird
@@dark-fighter oh ok thanks🦆
The most important factor in clear ice is how slow it freezes. This is what the insulated cooler does but you could also get a freezer that's set to 30°F and allow it to freeze for a long time.
The most important factor isn't overall speed, but directionality. When you insulate one side, it causes the freezing to occur in a linear rather than radial fashion.
No, directional cooling is only half of it. Using a tall vessel like an insulated coffee cup is best. So you have room for impurities to sink and clear ice to rise. Then hack off the cloudy bit.
It’s been years, so forgive my lack of citation.
For clear ice sculptures a manufacture used a small water pump to keep the water moving (think it was to stop bubble formation..?) in walk-in freezers. They made fairly huge blocks of ice that had crystal clarity. The blocks froze from the surface down so that the pump hose wouldn’t be a feature of the ice hehe.
Think it was just filtered tap water they used. 🤷
They also use warm (not boiling) water, which they claim provides the best freezing results.
@@medes5597 bruh that name
I think the boiling fallacy is based on an already misconstrued truth: that boiled (and then cooled-- which no one ever remembers) water freezes faster.
ironically, water freezing faster will almost always result in less clear ice.
it's cuz you need less thermal contraction.
It's amazing that you don't even need to be a scientist to get to this conclusion or at least understand it, all you need is to have bird baths in your garden and live somewhere that is warmish during the day, but below freezing over night. That filthy, unfiltered, non-boiled water turns into pretty clear ice. Obviously not as clear as actual filtered water, but clearer than all of the tests in this video.
@@deployed246 People living in tropical region: ಠ_ಠ
No I am fairly sure it's based on boiled water being thrown on the ground in cold weather actually producing very clear ice.
How clear it is is of course mostly down to how fast it freezes and the manner in which it does. The more time you give it the more cracks you get.
The problem with icecubes is that they tend to freeze outside in so you get a lot of cracks inside. If you throw boiled water on the ground at very low temps it actually does produce rather clear ice. But the trapped gasses are actually a much smaller factor compared to cracking from the ice expanding and contracting as it freezes.
The fallacy is in that while boiling water does degas it, it almost immediately starts to absorb air as soon as it stops boiling. The act of pouring it into the mold only served to mix in more air into it.
The perfect counterpart to “cold water boils faster”
wait, people think that?
@@skoopdewoop yup, some actually think like that. It's the myth that just won't die.
Btw, warm water can freeze faster than cold one, provided the temperature difference is not too large (Mpemba effect).
@@sniperheroes3082 This is only true for uncontrolled environments.
@@tylios2 The world is an uncontrolled environment
@@owlredshift doesn't mean you can't create a controlled environment.
Not sure why you had to smash it at the end. You had 4 cubes of perfectly good frozen boiled water, just put them back in the freezer and if you ever wanted to make some soup or something just take them out let them thaw and already have some on demand boiling water. Pretty good life hack if I do say so myself. Cheers.
Only 2 cubes were frozen boiled water. The other 2 were just frozen water.
Because they are ugly af.
You're new to this channel right?
What
2trillion iq
Are you living bro?
Doesn't clear ice come down to having a high enough container for the water to freeze in a way that traps the impurities in, most often, the upper layers?
Apparently it’s something about oxygen or something getting inside the ice that makes it blurry
@@kelfo4997what does blurry have to do with this.
@@Canetoady blurred water
The white and foggy part of the ice is not due to impurities, it is due to air trapped in the ice.
@@mrthanos2404 the air do be trapped in the air
everybody gangsta until nilered stops posting
Why do all RUclipsrs stop making videos when I start watching them? I'm cursed.
He is in japan
I still love the phrase “boiling water will remove the air from it.” That’s just not how that works. Not only that the moment you pour it into something you’ll trap air anyway.
there is dissolved gas in tap water and boiling it will remove that. It doesn't seem to make a difference to the ice quality though as we can see in the video.
Boiling water does remove most of its dissolved gases. I worked in a lab that required me to use chemicals that easily oxidize (into unwanted ionic species), and so whenever I had to create a solution of these chemicals, I would have to make deoxygenated deionized (DDI) water. Basically, it's just regular deionized water that has been boiled, and which has had nitrogen gas bubbled through it for about 30 minutes as it cooled. The boiling removes most of the oxygen, and the nitrogen flushes the rest out. It lasts for only a few hours in a sealed bottle though, so it must be made fresh the day you need it.
I never knew that thank you two for this trivia which I will use to torture my friends when I’m bored.
it's because folks dont understand why the ice isn't transparent. It's the speed you freeze it at that's the main contributor to it's clarity. When ice freezes the dissolved gasses do play a minor role, but it's the speed at which it freezes which leads to the ice contracting and cracking. It isn't the dissolved gasses that're cracking the ice, it's the thermal contraction.
@@CRneu
Not quite. Water goes though a process where it contacts, but that stops around +4*C. Between +4*C and 0*C it expands to what it is at room temperature more or less, and then after it starts to freeze, it expands by approx. 8.75%.
But yes, it is the water shifting around and expanding that leads to the cracks.
Freezing it slowly is part of the equation, but so is the direction of where it freezes from.
I put some water in my vacuum chamber in an attempt to draw out dissolved gases, but the ice was still cloudy after freezing.
That's because it's directional based! The ice freezes from all sides and meets at the middle in a normal icecube mold, resulting in the crystals kinda cramming together, or at least that's as far as I know how it works. But, freezing it in a way that only allows it to freeze up and down, i.e. in an insulated cooler where it can only freeze from the top down, results in all the crystals going the same way and not smashing into each other and making it cloudy.
But correct me if I'm wrong on the sciences there, I'm eager to learn! But I will say though: it is indeed very direction based, and once you've got a cooler, not too difficult to master.
You need to agitate the water while it freezes, anything that vibrates it while it slowly freezes will result in a clear ice formation.
Can't let it get too cold in small areas
@@MelodicTurtleMetal it's more about how fast you freeze it. when you agitate water you disturb crystal formation which leads to a "tighter" structure but it also takes longer to freeze. Agitation works but it's the speed you freeze it at that is the crucial factor.
You need directional cooling when trying to make clear Ice. Slower the ice freezes the less fuzzy it will become.
A very easy way i found was to put water in a double wall insulated metal cup without a top. It will freeze from top to bottom. Check it often to take out the ice before all of it freezes
@@MiguelY22 thanks lol cuz i can't fit a cooler
I thought it was more that by freezing from the top down, you get pure water on top that freezes first before it gets down to the impurities which you just pour off?
@@Thegbear i think you are correct. The clear ice forms on top. Do not let the bottom freeze, thats where it will get cloudy ice
@@MiguelY22 you can let the whole thing freeze and just cut off the dirty ice.
Where are you??..
If NileRed suddenly stops posting, we all know what happened.
chemicals drop test went wrong
@@somerandomboibackup6086
According to his twitter, at the end of July he got an robot arm for some reason. (there is a video in which it is welding a knife XD)
My hypothesis is the robot got rogue and killed him.
@@bobbobber4810 💀💀
“They were all really ugly”
Dang bro same.
Finally another video
Nile in previous video: "All good things must come to an end"
Ugly ice cubes that came to an end: "I'm a good thing now?!"
All good things must come to an end. But that doesn't mean ONLY good things come to an end.
A->B =/= B->A
@@Tjalve70 why would he say it then
bro made clear ice and dipped
It is good to see you back nigel, i was really worried that you might have done something to you in a chemical explosion lol
Glad to see you back! It’s been too long! We need more NileRed on our lives!
Finally he's back after a month.
When he stops uploading for so long, I thought he messed with some Mercury and...
WE MISS YOU
The legend... has returned.
We need a collab with you and Michael Reeves
You guys will create “Chemical shocking”
@КSl 🅥 don’t click on this
I think they've met before on Safety Third, and it didn't look like they really clicked imo
Michael doesn't even post on his own channel anymore, I love how the dude does his videos but damn he needs to upload considerably more
Laconic. Informational. Driving the point. Love it!
"they were all really ugly" and proceeds to smash them
my heart goes to those poor icecubes😓💔
“Ices” lol
Pls post more videos if can we miss ur amazing videos❤️❤️❤️
he disappeared again?
I remember doing an experiment as a kid where we took a little toy or whatever that vibrated and taped it to the side of the ice cube tray and they froze clear. I may be mistaken on the details but I believe that's what we did.
Makes sense. The right frequencies would vibrate in such a way to rearrange the water as it begins to freeze, giving it the right structure to provide the clarity.
The thing with clear ice, is that you need long, tall containers for It because only the upper half will be clear. There are specialized 2x2x2 ice cube trays designed for It.
@КSl 🅥 holy shit real ksi omg guys
@КSl 🅥 your friends?
Isn't the best way of getting clear ice just allowing it to freeze directionally, using a specialised container, because it allows it to freeze more naturally?
Idk I'm not an ice expert, this is just what I've heard elsewhere
@@SneakyDino7 You've got it half way right. Bar tenders use specialized ice trays that freeze ice directionally which pushes out the air instead of what normal ice trays do to water which is freeze at the same rate trapping pockets of air inside making them not clear
@@_Bran oh thats right, they also need to be isolated from everywhere except the upper part for directional freezing
I was watching a cake being made and accidentally clicked this notification, but oh well im here now I guess…
That's a fascinating difference between boiled and unboiled water tough.
im aware of the agitation method, which is often used to make sculpting ice. i guess the idea is to keep it from freezing asymmetrically. keep the water in motion to keep the variation in temperatures as small as possible. right up until the water gets to the freezing point. ive seen both vibrating the trays and using circulation pumps. though i can not attest to the efficacy of those methods.
Asymmetrical freezing is actually what you want though. So the gas doesn't get trapped in the center, but is forced out the bottom. That's what insulation does.
The agitators work by shaking the bubbles loose as soon as they form so they're not trapped in the ice.
That myth of boiling water first has been around forever. You need to freeze ice directionay so it has room to expand and freeze as naturally as possible, which makes the ice the clearest when frozen. You also don't want to use distilled water because then you get a firework pattern, still cool but not ideal if you don't want any bubbles. The best method is to just use regular tap water frozen in a cooler box for at least 20 hours or so 👍
@@austingulick 🤣
uh sir this is Wendy's.
Again ppl like you always think you know it all🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
@@lucoa460 No, this is a comment section about making ice. You have misused a meme to the level of suggesting you don't even get what it means.
@@austingulick I also make clear ice for cocktails 😉
Nilered never is dissapointing with youtube shorts educational and fun to watch better than those tiktok reuploads
Nile I used to love to watch your vids when I Was sick or unwell! Hope you upload on the main channel ever again!
yes!! your back!! i love your science vids!:)
Hold on, do people think you’re boiling the bubbles out when you boil water?😂💀
Nah it's just you
And when we needed him most, he came back
It's been 2+ months. Rest in Peace bro
I’m so happy to see a video from you. I love you
This channel stopped?
this guy stopped uploading, well you know...
I MISSED YOU SO MUCH!!! your channel is my joy of life, thank you so much for coming back! 💗
NileRed subtly showing his disapproval with people's suggestions by smashing their failed suggestions with a hammer
I dunno what kind of freezer you used but it worked perfectly for me. I just poured some really hot tap water into small ice cube molds and after an hour or two I got what looked like glass cubes.
@КSl 🅥 don’t click on this
He took it out after Several days
@@MrMonkey2150 what happens if u do
@@MrMonkey2150 Shall we report it?
@@yuhkidbro not sure but it’s a bot and will take you to a video most likely so either ur gonna support a scammer by giving them views most likely
I think that's about the closest we'll get to NileRed giving somebody the finger XD
And it's dead deserved. "Boil Water, it will be clear!" who thought that?
Good to see you back
I try to explain this to people so often and they never believe me when I tell them it doesn't work, and that you have to use some sort of insulated container to get clear ice. I am saving this video to prove it to them.
He is still dead
I have question.....
where do you get these chemicals???
i think you can get distilled water from most grocery stores or maybe amazon
Love the ending. The most cathartic.
*At least you came back here alive!*
I thought an experiment from around 2 months ago failed and went terribly wrong…
if you want clear ice, you have to make a ice-monocrystal. It's the crystal boundaries that is fogging the ice cube, not the air trapped inside.
I really laugh at the audacity of some people teaching chemistry to this guy who literally bursts bubbles of H2 and O2 on his palm
For a while, I thought Nigel was dead. Not only this video probing the boiled ice myth, but also proving me wrong. And I'm glad about that
The actual reason of such is impurities, it's known by everyone, but there is another way of getting the impurities out, either use a special type of freezer to get the impurities up then remove the fogged up part, or just boil it off into vapor and collect it back so the minerals and impurities doesn't go with the water.
The cooler trick (done in Nile's clear ice making video) is just like poor man's special freezer - when ice crystal forms, impurities are displaced into remaining water (the slower the freezing, the more effective the process is); by removing the cooler from freezer before water completely freezes, all the impurities are left in the water which can then be discarded when removing the ice from the cooler.
Imagine, this experiment took 2 months time to make
Hey!NileRed, What happened to you? No videos now😦Are you alive? Pls reply if you are alive.
😭😢rip
oh you posted a video here! so happy to see!!
That smashing was cooler than ice.
Wouldn't the process of pouring the boiled water into the container cause additional aeration and possibly affect the result? To remove this confounding variable, you should try again using the same container to both boil and freeze
Doubt it will change anything, but science!
Yeah this bothered me, I don’t doubt the result would be the same but letting it cool for so long and pouring it instead of putting the flask directly into the freezer seems like a bad method
Why did you wait for it to cool? you could have just immediately poured it in, prevent other gases from dissolving back into it?
it’s a bad idea to put boiling water straight into the freezer cause of the rapid temp change
Who would win: random people on the internet or a trained Chemist. Crazy.
Dear nilered,
Please try nitration of toluene in next video
I will love to see that!
If you're interested in making clear ice, there's this pretty interesting video I saw a few years ago. ruclips.net/video/bUHcCHbgX_o/видео.html
It talks about "directional freezing" in order to eliminate the fogginess.
Did you stop making videos?
Did you stop using your brain
Yeah he’s done
@@AriyanaMC First off, your a Gacha life Roblox youtuber, secondly, no need for hostility but if you would like to be rude then your at fault.
@@sovones lol
Happy Birthday .
May you continue to amaze all of us.
always with the top tier content man
When you posted, I started screaming “Nile is back!!!” And I started to put on your videos in my TV and flooded my whole entire room with printed pictures of your profile pictures, and then flooded the whole entire house with the profile pictures, and then flooded my whole entire neighborhood, and then flooded my whole entire province, and then flooded Canada. After I flooded Canada, I bought a yacht covered in pictures of your profile pictures and then I arrived to Mexico and ate Mexico Taco Bell, and had Taco Irritable Bell Shart Explode Bowel Syndrome and I am now in the Mexico Hospital
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I was wondering where all these pictures came from.
Tis is the greatest Nigel return celebration procedure of all time.
And then he said flooding time and flooded all over
When ice starts filling the whole container, pressure will build, making it look bad.
You need a larger container where you let 80% of it freeze.
Glad to see you're actually alive (again)
good to see you again
Nah. He's dead!
Hehe
And Ur First
Thanks!
Yeah I tried to freeze boiled water too and I was disappointment at that point, but also I thought I done any mistake, but now I know it is myth
I noticed that the fogging was most apparent around the inside of each of the cubes. I wonder if you had an issue with thermal transition that caused stress as the ice froze from outside, to in. Maybe if you had frozen each cube individually with nothing surrounding it, the results would’ve been better
Oh god the ice expert is here. Somebody give this man a trophy
To form ice, water always need something to grab and form the first crystals on. This happens on all the sides of the container as it cools consistently. Because of this, the cube freezes from the outside in so that the air cannot escape and will be trapped in the middle.
When an isolating material is used the water will be cool on the surface and freeze there before the other sides are cold enough. So now the water freezes from the top, so that the air will be pushed down. This will lead to a big, clear ice layer on the top of the container.
@@Yosh_XXL I am highly qualified in this field. My degree is iceology from Iceland University.
Didn't you just mixed air bubbles into water back when you poured them into cube molds?
Maybe you could try freezing them without agitating/shaking them so much.
Either boil and rest them in the molds you are going to freeze, or don't use molds and just freeze them in the container you boiled it, or find a transfer method that doesn't cause air bubbles.
Waited 2 months for nile upload and all I get is this, shame
Just looking at it, you might think that boiling water removes the air because of the bubbles coming out. But if you think about it, boiling water is a phase change from liquid to gas; so that's not air escaping, it's water vapor.
is he dead???
Well yes but actually no
Unfortunately, yes.
@@ravioli9171 no hes not
@@ravioli9171 source: trust me bro
@@KeplerB-go9jp stage 1: denial
Well if you let it boil for an hour and pour it in it would be perfectly clear :)
lmao
Finally new vids
The problem is you're not putting the boiling water without disturbing it.if you pour on something air enters into water
People really need to stop thinking they know everything cause of one tiktok or video they saw online. Its like bro you would rather listen to some random dude on tiktok then an actuall scientist
@Kurt Angle In A Tiny Cowboy Hat yeah, i feel like we are moving towards that kind of "believe the more believed" type of mentality, when in reality its really unrealistic