i agree with the Chase Elliott take. his 2020 championship is not held in high regard, much like many champions from this playoff era. he did win 5 races and the season-long title in 2022, but, as you said, his team was the first to figure out the new car. once the other teams figured it out, he wasn’t as fast. Larson’s team hadn’t figured it out in 2022 and it showed; they were not as fast in 2022 as they were in 2023. in 2023 they were arguably the fastest team all season
The current Chase format would work better if it was 12 races. I don’t like 1 race deciding the champion. IMO, the final 4 should be 3 races just like every other round
The COT was really good. Especially from 2010-2012. Also 2010 is a season that isn’t talked about a lot, I think it was good unlike what a lot of people say
@@JasonRamme-g9w yeah that's true but still Dale jr would be 2nd or 3rd and Jeff Gordon would be your 2004 champion though and I think dale jr would be your 2013 and 2015 champion instead and how would feel if that happened how would react.? 😊
@@KidLatin27Nah dale jr in 2013 was miles worse than jimmie johnson,matt kenseth and Kevin harvick. These 3 performed way better than jr and in 2015, he might have or might not, but in the last race, he finished dead last. So if he made the final 4 he would finish 4th and in the full season standings he prob is 4th or 5th
@@krinky0666 yeah that's true I know a lot of Dale jr fans probably realize he was just never going to be a championship like his dad was in the cup sriers.
@@krinky0666 and could you imagine if Dale jr ever did win the championship in 2015 even though he didn't and I would say in 2014 Jeff Gordon should've won like 7 !races and he really should've won Texas and made the championship four and won the championship in 2014.
I respect your opinion on Elliott it’s fair but my counter argument is that 2023 is an outlier if we look at all the seasons he’s competed in. 2024 will be a very pivotal year to try to cement himself amongst Hendricks elite.
As someone that got tired of Chase (being a Harvick fan) winning, I think 2023 was absolutely an outlier. He dominated the 2022 season and would be a 1 time champ under any points format. Saying this while being somewhat of a chase hater.
Appreciate you putting mine in. Tired of people saying that more horsepower is an automatic fixer-upper for the short tracks. This doesn’t mean I don’t advocate for more horsepower though, I absolutely want more. I just don’t see it having a massive effect on the short tracks.
I sometimes wonder if changing any package would do anything to fix it. I believe it's because the cars are too equal which just makes it harder to overcome the areo affect. They talked about aero push in the 90s, you also had a bigger gap between the field car wise, so a better car could help overcome the aero disturbance more than now. Also with the rules opened up you can get a car to fit a drivers style a little bit better. Also get rid of the computer crap where drivers can see all the inputs other drivers are doing. What is it called the smt data? Get rid of it, make it illegal. Just some thoughts and opinions but I think that is some of the problem. I would like to see them give the teams more options on the cars, doesn't have to be a lot, just open it up some
I will disagree wit the upping the horsepower take of yours. Mostly because people in the industry, including engineers and drivers have said upping the horsepower will help to fix the short track package.
I'd say that all the chase format champions are deserving champions (maybe aside from KB in 2015 solely because he missed 1/3 of the season. Yes, he went on a hell of a tear and earned it once the playoffs started, but rules are rules and he got an exception. Doesnt sit right with me.) That said, I would NEVER equate the chase era championships to the old Winston cup era championships. The drivers themselves have said this before: these titles dont mean as much as the old ones do. The simple fact that you could in theory win 35 races and finish 2nd in the last race and not be champion (as in astronomically unlikely it is) is beyond stupid. I agree with the chase format vs playoff format comment, though. The OG Chase For the Cup was actually pretty interesting to me and I liked it. It was new and different, but not so much so that it drastically changes how things work and it still feels like you had to fight all season for it but also did give drivers that barely snuck in but did amazing late in the year like Tony Stewart to be a wildcard threat for the title.
I agree with all of your controversial points besides stage racing. I personally like that you can get points early in the race as it rewards those who are strong at the start of a race but ultimately fade at the end of a race. I do however not like the caution in them though. I was at the COTA race last year and it was very exciting with no stage breaks. You dont need cautions for races to be exciting. However id rather take a stage caution over some phantom debris caution
As an Elliott Fan, I do agree with the Larson and Byron take. Ever since Larson entered in ‘21, Hendrick became the Larson show. And with Byron, I do think that he is going to be one of the top dogs for the next few decades. But that’s just me, I’m used to the Elliott hate at this point. Basically fuels me 😂 Great Video and can’t wait to see what’s next! (P.S. I think that Austin Hill, Sam Mayer and Carson Hocevar are going to be the most hated drivers once they all race in the cup series)
I’m not the biggest Chase Elliott fan but your wrong on him being overrated. Yes he’s not Larson talented but dude almost pointed his way in last year with no wins with all the missed races. To put this into perspective Tony Stewart got his 20th career win in 2005 at Sonoma in his 7th full time season. Chase Elliott has 18 career wins by his 8th season. He’s on pace to have a Tony Stewart type career. He’s definitely not overrated. He’s more talented than Dale jr ever was. Also as a Kevin Harvick fan I’ll still never acknowledge Chase Elliott as the 2020 champ 😉 always love your videos bro!
I know this is late because I've been busy with some life stuff but I think Elliott's more overrated because his fanbase thinks he's the best driver in the Cup Series but I think everyone knows that(except for Elliott fans)
Oh yea also what’s your opinion on this: Jeff Gordon is *the* most talented Nascar driver in terms of raw talent and on-track talent, but isn’t the best driver, he’s 2nd. Greatest is Dale Earnhardt period. Also Richard Petty isn’t in the top 5 greatest drivers, if he is, he’s 5th.
@@p1motorsports694to me, the goat is who had the most impact on nascar, the best stats and how big they were if taht makes sense. Gordon wasn’t really ever as big as Earnhardt was, that’s why Dale takes the cake for me, but not by a lot
As much as I love Chase Elliott, I’m not gonna defend him here, he’s definitely not a championship caliber driver, at least as of recently, and he really needs to get his act together if he wants to get back to the performance that I know he’s capable of.
If this was the winston Format he would be leading the standings ahead of Truex and is 4th in the regular season standings. All he has to do is make the final 4 which he is on track to accomplish again.
He did, because all the teams were under the same rules as far as the format goes. They worked the format better than anyone. That is no different how Earnhardt won his 7 championships, they played the top 5 and top 10 the field to death game. There are only 2 seasons that Earnhardt won the most races the years he won the championships. They played the consistency game. Perry just had a way better car than everyone in his day. Jimmie and Chad worked the chase format better than anyone. That is no different. I would rather not see a playoff system but if everyone is under the same rule then yes they deserve the championship. I tell people if the playoffs make you feel like the driver isn't a champion or doesn't deserve it why do you even waist your time watching. You are not Nascar, you are not entitled to make Nascar rules what you want. I tell people go start your own racing league and you can do what you want with the rules. Nascar fans are entitled little crybabies. Nothing is ever good enough, don't care what the rules are half the fans cry no matter what and that was no different in the 90s, except we didn't have to hear all the babies cry on the Internet 😂😂. So it was bearable then. Only heard it when people would call in to shows or in magazines, or at the track.
@@Zyairelitboy I get all that and I wish it was still done that way but the rules don't go by that anymore. He made it to the final 4 and then beat those 4 in the last race. The entire field has the same opportunities to make the final 4 and win that race. He got it done so he is a legitimate champion. Jimmie Johnson didn't do all that great in the regular season in some of his championships years,but the last 10 boom here he was. That isn't much different. Also the argument a driver could technically win 35 races and not be champion is highly highly highly unlikely to happen. No one is even going to win 15 races in a season never the less 35 races. Maybe in f1. Too bad for Byron Nascar doesn't go by those rules anymore. Nascar isn't going to get rid of this format sadly. They may tweak it some but I doubt they ever go to a full season points system again
As a BW fan, I agree. He probably would've had a few more wins by now if he wasn't super emotional and didn't crack under pressure (ie. Spring Dega, Texas), but he has been improving with his stats and it looks like he's starting to get his emotions under control a bit. He's a B- driver who has the potential to be A tier. Most of his missed opportunities weren't on him, but it is very easy to tell when they are. If or when he does get his flaws sorted out, I could realistically *at best* see him having a Biffle or Dale Jr type of career.
Elliott hate is Elliott hate at this point. I get that a small percentage of people find it cool to be the odd one and hate what most others like, doesn’t give any less weird energy. Also, he’s just a driver. Chill. He’s not some almighty being nor does he try to be. He just drives a car for living and that’s who he is acting like. I guess cope haters that people like him? Weird to have ever said that. Also yes, he might be 3rd best on his team. That’s not as bad as you wish so badly for it to be. Hendrick has 3 elite drivers. That’s kind of the norm for them no? Johnson, Gordon, and JR. Johnson, Gordon, Busch (early). Larson, Byron, and Elliott. It’s like Gibbs. Shocker that the 2 most dominant teams in nascar history have elite lineups every year. That’s just crazy. Blasphemous even. Cope. And finally on that topic, you listed a bunch of reasons why people like him and then acted like it was equipment. He’s talented. More talented than you or I will ever be. We both hate that fact and wish we could have some of that talent, but it’s a fact. I respect most every nascar opinion with the exception of hatred towards drivers. I just don’t get that. These guys just go out and drive to put on a show for us fans. Are some dirty, yes. Are some more annoying than others, also yes. But at the end of the day, why hate them for doing what every other driver on that track is doing? Because a large percentage of the fan base likes them? That’s weird. Because a lot of people talk about them? Weird. Because a lot of people support them? Weird. And yes I’ll agree that last year sucked. But I’ll still point out that he got injured and then got back in the car before being fully ready to go. Damn nearly pointed his way into the playoffs and where I’ll agree is that suspension likely is the reason he didn’t get in. He was stupid for that. Down right stupid. Honestly should have gotten a longer suspension because that was extremely dangerous. But to say the season was bad is your way of using his injury against him because you have nothing else. Races a whole season and he’s in and you hate, simple as that. And you gotta stop this narrative of “2022 was just him figuring out the new car before everyone else so that doesn’t make him good.” That’s a terrible way of looking at it. Arguably makes his team better. But forget that because 2023 sucked right? Haters hate. He didn’t even fall off in 2022, just didn’t have the luck needed at Phoenix, he was there. Luck ran out late in the race. That’s racing. Made sense to the nonhaters. Before anyone jumps in claiming I’m just a butthurt Elliott fan. No. I love Hendrick Motorsports. Grew up on that first trip I brought up, Jimmie, Jeff, and Kyle… later replaced by JR and add in Marky Mark. That was the shit to me. Only sponsor I knew of those growing up was Lowe’s so naturally went with Jimmie but he’s retired mostly now, so I just cheer for all of Hendricks cars. Personally would love to see Byron go win it all this year because the kids great and worked really hard for it. But the fact of this comment is it’s just weird to hate a driver because most others like them. And to say he’s not as good as his dad or riding coattails or he shouldn’t even be popular is just as weird. Has a massive fan base so duh yes he’s popular. He’s won a ton of races and a championship, so he’s on track to be as good as his dad. Coattails may have made it easier to get here, but unlikes others, he’s taking full advantage of it and making the most out of his career. Some guys just suck but get ride after ride. Atleast Chase has been deserving of his rides. Stop being weird and stop trying so hard to be different. It’s the wrong energy to want. Long story short, just watch and enjoy the product we get, stop hating so damn much. Or atleast… Cope.
@@p1motorsports694 don’t have to read it 🤷🏻♂️ don’t have to like it 🤌🏼 but that doesn’t make it any less weird for grown ass men to hate a driver for…. Driving! Keep hating, I’ll be over here enjoying the race, the team, the season, and most importantly your pain every time Chase does something remotely good! 😊
@@p1motorsports694 also how are you gonna be a grown ass adult with a 1200+ subscriber RUclips channel asking for opinions on nascar and be this bland in your comments when someone disagrees with your crappy takes? Maybe this ain’t the right path for you my guy. Maybe it’s just not for you, or possibly you just aren’t built for criticism. Either way, atleast come with some sort of proper debate material or facts. Or, just cope with being wrong and weird all the time. 🤷🏻♂️
Or maybe. . . . . I really just don't care enough because an opinion is an opinion whether good or bad and I just don't have the time to argue with some dweeb in a YT comments section
I respectfully disagree about the Elliott take. Elliott is arguably more consistent than Larson and Byron. Yes he is not as talented and upfront during races as much as Larson or even Byron but he usually is there towards the end half the time. And he has already accomplished alot during his career and if this was the Winston format he would be leading the points format ahead of Truex. And 2023 was an off year everyone gets those and he has been doing alot better this year he has the same amount of Top 5’s as Byron, has more top 10’s than Larson, & has a better average finish than both of them. Is he a little overrated? Yes but not to the extent some nascar fans like to make it out to be.
As someone who doesn't like or hate Bubba I agree but I do think if he and 23XI can get their shit together he can make the playoffs every year and get 1 or 2 wins each year
Having been to both Daytona and Talladega, Daytona was incredible, Talladega was mediocre and wildly overrated. Will return to Daytona some day, no interest in going back to Dega at all.
I have been saying this for years. I said he was going to be a champion before he won the truck championship for a less team (HRE) and I was right. If he drove in xfinity for jr or jgr he would definitely had a xfinity championship. He just needed a better ride. The other driver I was really confident about winning a championship in anything was another jr Motorsport driver, brad keselowski. We know how that turned out.
Hendricks best drivers by year 2016-Johnson 2017-Elliot 2018- Elliot 2019- Elliot 2020- Elliot 2021- Larson 2022- Elliot 2023- Byron (elliot out due to leg injury) 2024- we’ll see Larson is an all around talent. But he is very comparable to Larson in nascar. In 2021 elliot was constantly right behind Larson in a bunch of races. It wasn’t like Larson was gone from him. I agree elliot is not the best rn in the series but he is top3. Deal with it He’ll never be a Jeff Gordon he’ll Larson won’t be either. But rn he is one of the top dogs
@@JasonRamme-g9w underrated? Larson? Bruh he’s the main guy talked about every race. People question him when he runs outside the top 5. He is not underrated lol. Hell rn people are comparing him to verstappen. If anything people talk more about him than Byron and bowman. Elliot is close since he is up there with Larson in fan favorites and since he’s also battling for the regular season title
The HMS penalty one isnt true because NASCAR does not run the appeals panel it is high ups from different parts of racing. So saying NASCAR is favoritising Hendrick when they then literally got a 60 point penalty later the same year so thats just not true. And I am not a HMS fan I am a Kyle Busch fan
Funny how the sanctioning body of indycar is okay with them running flat out at Indy at 230 mph, the cars are not as safe, they can get airborne as well. With the tracks aging, if you let them run 670 HP at dega and Daytona, they wouldn't be running wide open through the corner, they having handling issues now restricted as it is. They won't run wide open if they enter the corner at 220 to 230. Unrestrict these things, let the cream rise. To me it's a joke calling the Daytona 500 the biggest race anymore and it changes a drivers life. Does Trevor bane have a job in a car? If anyone can win it I dont look at it as the biggest race. I wish they would unrestrict it.
Late add , while hearing you out on every driver deserves there championship based on the rules there given. With that said Kyle’s 2015 championship or Tyler’s 2018 championship are tied for the worst championships in nascar history. Kyle missed 1/3 of the races and Tyler wasn’t even the best on his team in 2018.
Stage Racing is a product of fans asking for Nascar to have heat races before the races. Nascar tried heat racing in xfinity, it wasnt good so they went to stage racing. Fans are to blame for that. Agree Bubba is a decent driver, not elite but decent. Agree that Chase Elliott is completely overrated. Take your fandom out of everything and see how much Chase Elliott is pushed in advertising, media, and even during the race. Sure he won a championship and thats great but when he finishes back half of the top 20 and hes 3rd or 4th driver they talk to post race, yes it has happened before, then thats a bit much.
Chase Elliott has just been food sped the best cars at Hendrick since 2017. Compared to his dad, he is nothing. If he was truly talented like Busch or Larson, he would’ve done what they did: come back from a hiatus and win a bunch of races and a title. What did he do? Nothing. He’s also very egotistical, that motherfucker relies on his fans to back him up everytime as if he is Jesus Christ himself. He is elite at best but besides that 5 race stretch in 2022 what the fuck has he done? Everyone thinks he’s the king at road courses lmao. Larson, Busch, Bell, McDowell, Suarez and even more are better than him there. Elliott is like Bobby Labonte talent that will only end up with less than 30 wins. Infact, I hate Elliott so much I wrote an entire essay on why I hate him so much for a drama project at school
Honestly chase elliot is very overrated the only thing that goes for him is his last name and that Atlanta race in 2022 the fans and the cameraman kept turning to the outside crowd which pissed me off JUST LET ME WATCH THE RACE (also chase is a motionless and a dirty driver
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2021 was the good NASCAR season (Cup)
i agree with the Chase Elliott take. his 2020 championship is not held in high regard, much like many champions from this playoff era. he did win 5 races and the season-long title in 2022, but, as you said, his team was the first to figure out the new car. once the other teams figured it out, he wasn’t as fast. Larson’s team hadn’t figured it out in 2022 and it showed; they were not as fast in 2022 as they were in 2023. in 2023 they were arguably the fastest team all season
Agree
@@jonathangrey6354 so chase Elliot would've been a two time championship got it 😊.
@@KidLatin27 lmao can you read
@@jonathangrey6354 Yes I can.
Well the 2004 playoffs and the dale Jr penalty.😊
Denny Hamlin and Kyle Larson are clean drivers
The NASCAR Weekly Podcast is Awesome. Do you like it? I only watched one episode,and that was the Joseph Lombard one.
I don't watch podcasts, I don't like to listen people talk to each other for 3 hours.
The current Chase format would work better if it was 12 races. I don’t like 1 race deciding the champion. IMO, the final 4 should be 3 races just like every other round
2008 was the first full season I watched so that year will always hold a special place in my heart, even though my guy Gordon didn't win
I hear yah, I always hold 1996 as a great year just because that was the 1st full season I watched.
I got another controversial take. Dale Earnhardt is the GOAT of NASCAR
The COT was really good. Especially from 2010-2012. Also 2010 is a season that isn’t talked about a lot, I think it was good unlike what a lot of people say
If only dale jr would have been your 2004-2013-2015 championship.😊
Junior could've been the 2004 championship if it weren't for his incidents at Martinsville and Atlanta.
@@JasonRamme-g9w yeah that's true but still Dale jr would be 2nd or 3rd and Jeff Gordon would be your 2004 champion though and I think dale jr would be your 2013 and 2015 champion instead and how would feel if that happened how would react.? 😊
@@KidLatin27Nah dale jr in 2013 was miles worse than jimmie johnson,matt kenseth and Kevin harvick. These 3 performed way better than jr and in 2015, he might have or might not, but in the last race, he finished dead last. So if he made the final 4 he would finish 4th and in the full season standings he prob is 4th or 5th
@@krinky0666 yeah that's true I know a lot of Dale jr fans probably realize he was just never going to be a championship like his dad was in the cup sriers.
@@krinky0666 and could you imagine if Dale jr ever did win the championship in 2015 even though he didn't and I would say in 2014 Jeff Gordon should've won like 7 !races and he really should've won Texas and made the championship four and won the championship in 2014.
I respect your opinion on Elliott it’s fair but my counter argument is that 2023 is an outlier if we look at all the seasons he’s competed in. 2024 will be a very pivotal year to try to cement himself amongst Hendricks elite.
As someone that got tired of Chase (being a Harvick fan) winning, I think 2023 was absolutely an outlier. He dominated the 2022 season and would be a 1 time champ under any points format. Saying this while being somewhat of a chase hater.
Appreciate you putting mine in. Tired of people saying that more horsepower is an automatic fixer-upper for the short tracks.
This doesn’t mean I don’t advocate for more horsepower though, I absolutely want more. I just don’t see it having a massive effect on the short tracks.
I sometimes wonder if changing any package would do anything to fix it. I believe it's because the cars are too equal which just makes it harder to overcome the areo affect. They talked about aero push in the 90s, you also had a bigger gap between the field car wise, so a better car could help overcome the aero disturbance more than now. Also with the rules opened up you can get a car to fit a drivers style a little bit better. Also get rid of the computer crap where drivers can see all the inputs other drivers are doing. What is it called the smt data? Get rid of it, make it illegal. Just some thoughts and opinions but I think that is some of the problem. I would like to see them give the teams more options on the cars, doesn't have to be a lot, just open it up some
Thanks for featuring my take
Your welcome
hi mav
2014 was the last great NASCAR season (Cup)
I will disagree wit the upping the horsepower take of yours.
Mostly because people in the industry, including engineers and drivers have said upping the horsepower will help to fix the short track package.
Again I don't think anyone really knows, I think that we need testing more than anything
I'd say that all the chase format champions are deserving champions (maybe aside from KB in 2015 solely because he missed 1/3 of the season. Yes, he went on a hell of a tear and earned it once the playoffs started, but rules are rules and he got an exception. Doesnt sit right with me.)
That said, I would NEVER equate the chase era championships to the old Winston cup era championships. The drivers themselves have said this before: these titles dont mean as much as the old ones do. The simple fact that you could in theory win 35 races and finish 2nd in the last race and not be champion (as in astronomically unlikely it is) is beyond stupid.
I agree with the chase format vs playoff format comment, though. The OG Chase For the Cup was actually pretty interesting to me and I liked it. It was new and different, but not so much so that it drastically changes how things work and it still feels like you had to fight all season for it but also did give drivers that barely snuck in but did amazing late in the year like Tony Stewart to be a wildcard threat for the title.
I agree with all of your controversial points besides stage racing. I personally like that you can get points early in the race as it rewards those who are strong at the start of a race but ultimately fade at the end of a race. I do however not like the caution in them though. I was at the COTA race last year and it was very exciting with no stage breaks. You dont need cautions for races to be exciting. However id rather take a stage caution over some phantom debris caution
I see your point very logical
The Indy race also had good strategy
As an Elliott Fan, I do agree with the Larson and Byron take. Ever since Larson entered in ‘21, Hendrick became the Larson show. And with Byron, I do think that he is going to be one of the top dogs for the next few decades. But that’s just me, I’m used to the Elliott hate at this point. Basically fuels me 😂 Great Video and can’t wait to see what’s next!
(P.S. I think that Austin Hill, Sam Mayer and Carson Hocevar are going to be the most hated drivers once they all race in the cup series)
8:14 i mean you cant discredit parker talladega win in the 75 because he also won in the 75 at a road course
I’m not the biggest Chase Elliott fan but your wrong on him being overrated. Yes he’s not Larson talented but dude almost pointed his way in last year with no wins with all the missed races. To put this into perspective Tony Stewart got his 20th career win in 2005 at Sonoma in his 7th full time season. Chase Elliott has 18 career wins by his 8th season. He’s on pace to have a Tony Stewart type career. He’s definitely not overrated. He’s more talented than Dale jr ever was.
Also as a Kevin Harvick fan I’ll still never acknowledge Chase Elliott as the 2020 champ 😉 always love your videos bro!
I know this is late because I've been busy with some life stuff but I think Elliott's more overrated because his fanbase thinks he's the best driver in the Cup Series but I think everyone knows that(except for Elliott fans)
The thing about F1 is that you need to actually be good and earn your points. If they put top 15, it's just charity at that point .
Oh yea also what’s your opinion on this:
Jeff Gordon is *the* most talented Nascar driver in terms of raw talent and on-track talent, but isn’t the best driver, he’s 2nd. Greatest is Dale Earnhardt period.
Also Richard Petty isn’t in the top 5 greatest drivers, if he is, he’s 5th.
Agree with all of it but I do think in terms of stats gordon is the goat of NASCAR
@@p1motorsports694to me, the goat is who had the most impact on nascar, the best stats and how big they were if taht makes sense. Gordon wasn’t really ever as big as Earnhardt was, that’s why Dale takes the cake for me, but not by a lot
@@p1motorsports694Earnhardt was better than Jeff
4:54 yo yo look it's a cameo from Me let's go lol
As much as I love Chase Elliott, I’m not gonna defend him here, he’s definitely not a championship caliber driver, at least as of recently, and he really needs to get his act together if he wants to get back to the performance that I know he’s capable of.
I think he's definitely capable but I think he needs a crew chief change more than anything but he is overrated
If this was the winston Format he would be leading the standings ahead of Truex and is 4th in the regular season standings. All he has to do is make the final 4 which he is on track to accomplish again.
Kasey wasn't the best cup driver
But statistically the best truck driver
He won all but 1 race he ran
Only race he didn't win he got 2nd
I got one, you can be a very dirty driver (Sam Mayer) and still make it in cup. (Carson Hocevar)
Agree
Jimmie Johnson is the best. Throughout all the aero/car changes, chase/playoff changes, and many driver changes, he still won championships.
Jimmie is not the best in Nascar history that's dale Earnhardt period
Controversial Opinion: Texas is way too overhated.
Sort of agree
As a Elliot fan I agree that he isn’t the best driver but definitely elite
He is at his best elite, but not consistently elite imo
If you think Ryan Blaney deserved that championship, your high on drugs
He did, because all the teams were under the same rules as far as the format goes. They worked the format better than anyone. That is no different how Earnhardt won his 7 championships, they played the top 5 and top 10 the field to death game. There are only 2 seasons that Earnhardt won the most races the years he won the championships. They played the consistency game. Perry just had a way better car than everyone in his day. Jimmie and Chad worked the chase format better than anyone. That is no different. I would rather not see a playoff system but if everyone is under the same rule then yes they deserve the championship. I tell people if the playoffs make you feel like the driver isn't a champion or doesn't deserve it why do you even waist your time watching. You are not Nascar, you are not entitled to make Nascar rules what you want. I tell people go start your own racing league and you can do what you want with the rules. Nascar fans are entitled little crybabies. Nothing is ever good enough, don't care what the rules are half the fans cry no matter what and that was no different in the 90s, except we didn't have to hear all the babies cry on the Internet 😂😂. So it was bearable then. Only heard it when people would call in to shows or in magazines, or at the track.
@racegrubb2152 Yea, but Ryan Blaney didn't get 6 wins, 15 top 5s, 21 top tens, and he was nowhere to be found most of the year
@@Zyairelitboy I get all that and I wish it was still done that way but the rules don't go by that anymore. He made it to the final 4 and then beat those 4 in the last race. The entire field has the same opportunities to make the final 4 and win that race. He got it done so he is a legitimate champion. Jimmie Johnson didn't do all that great in the regular season in some of his championships years,but the last 10 boom here he was. That isn't much different. Also the argument a driver could technically win 35 races and not be champion is highly highly highly unlikely to happen. No one is even going to win 15 races in a season never the less 35 races. Maybe in f1. Too bad for Byron Nascar doesn't go by those rules anymore. Nascar isn't going to get rid of this format sadly. They may tweak it some but I doubt they ever go to a full season points system again
As a BW fan, I agree. He probably would've had a few more wins by now if he wasn't super emotional and didn't crack under pressure (ie. Spring Dega, Texas), but he has been improving with his stats and it looks like he's starting to get his emotions under control a bit. He's a B- driver who has the potential to be A tier. Most of his missed opportunities weren't on him, but it is very easy to tell when they are. If or when he does get his flaws sorted out, I could realistically *at best* see him having a Biffle or Dale Jr type of career.
I see it
Elliott hate is Elliott hate at this point. I get that a small percentage of people find it cool to be the odd one and hate what most others like, doesn’t give any less weird energy. Also, he’s just a driver. Chill. He’s not some almighty being nor does he try to be. He just drives a car for living and that’s who he is acting like. I guess cope haters that people like him? Weird to have ever said that.
Also yes, he might be 3rd best on his team. That’s not as bad as you wish so badly for it to be. Hendrick has 3 elite drivers. That’s kind of the norm for them no? Johnson, Gordon, and JR. Johnson, Gordon, Busch (early). Larson, Byron, and Elliott. It’s like Gibbs. Shocker that the 2 most dominant teams in nascar history have elite lineups every year. That’s just crazy. Blasphemous even. Cope.
And finally on that topic, you listed a bunch of reasons why people like him and then acted like it was equipment. He’s talented. More talented than you or I will ever be. We both hate that fact and wish we could have some of that talent, but it’s a fact. I respect most every nascar opinion with the exception of hatred towards drivers. I just don’t get that. These guys just go out and drive to put on a show for us fans. Are some dirty, yes. Are some more annoying than others, also yes. But at the end of the day, why hate them for doing what every other driver on that track is doing? Because a large percentage of the fan base likes them? That’s weird. Because a lot of people talk about them? Weird. Because a lot of people support them? Weird.
And yes I’ll agree that last year sucked. But I’ll still point out that he got injured and then got back in the car before being fully ready to go. Damn nearly pointed his way into the playoffs and where I’ll agree is that suspension likely is the reason he didn’t get in. He was stupid for that. Down right stupid. Honestly should have gotten a longer suspension because that was extremely dangerous. But to say the season was bad is your way of using his injury against him because you have nothing else. Races a whole season and he’s in and you hate, simple as that.
And you gotta stop this narrative of “2022 was just him figuring out the new car before everyone else so that doesn’t make him good.” That’s a terrible way of looking at it. Arguably makes his team better. But forget that because 2023 sucked right? Haters hate. He didn’t even fall off in 2022, just didn’t have the luck needed at Phoenix, he was there. Luck ran out late in the race. That’s racing. Made sense to the nonhaters.
Before anyone jumps in claiming I’m just a butthurt Elliott fan. No. I love Hendrick Motorsports. Grew up on that first trip I brought up, Jimmie, Jeff, and Kyle… later replaced by JR and add in Marky Mark. That was the shit to me. Only sponsor I knew of those growing up was Lowe’s so naturally went with Jimmie but he’s retired mostly now, so I just cheer for all of Hendricks cars. Personally would love to see Byron go win it all this year because the kids great and worked really hard for it. But the fact of this comment is it’s just weird to hate a driver because most others like them. And to say he’s not as good as his dad or riding coattails or he shouldn’t even be popular is just as weird. Has a massive fan base so duh yes he’s popular. He’s won a ton of races and a championship, so he’s on track to be as good as his dad. Coattails may have made it easier to get here, but unlikes others, he’s taking full advantage of it and making the most out of his career. Some guys just suck but get ride after ride. Atleast Chase has been deserving of his rides. Stop being weird and stop trying so hard to be different. It’s the wrong energy to want.
Long story short, just watch and enjoy the product we get, stop hating so damn much. Or atleast… Cope.
*YAWN* tldr
@@p1motorsports694 don’t have to read it 🤷🏻♂️ don’t have to like it 🤌🏼 but that doesn’t make it any less weird for grown ass men to hate a driver for…. Driving! Keep hating, I’ll be over here enjoying the race, the team, the season, and most importantly your pain every time Chase does something remotely good! 😊
@@p1motorsports694 also how are you gonna be a grown ass adult with a 1200+ subscriber RUclips channel asking for opinions on nascar and be this bland in your comments when someone disagrees with your crappy takes? Maybe this ain’t the right path for you my guy. Maybe it’s just not for you, or possibly you just aren’t built for criticism. Either way, atleast come with some sort of proper debate material or facts. Or, just cope with being wrong and weird all the time. 🤷🏻♂️
Or maybe. . . . . I really just don't care enough because an opinion is an opinion whether good or bad and I just don't have the time to argue with some dweeb in a YT comments section
Also, I don't hate Chase Elliott I just think he's a tad bit overrated
I respectfully disagree about the Elliott take. Elliott is arguably more consistent than Larson and Byron. Yes he is not as talented and upfront during races as much as Larson or even Byron but he usually is there towards the end half the time. And he has already accomplished alot during his career and if this was the Winston format he would be leading the points format ahead of Truex. And 2023 was an off year everyone gets those and he has been doing alot better this year he has the same amount of Top 5’s as Byron, has more top 10’s than Larson, & has a better average finish than both of them. Is he a little overrated? Yes but not to the extent some nascar fans like to make it out to be.
As someone who doesn't like or hate Bubba I agree but I do think if he and 23XI can get their shit together he can make the playoffs every year and get 1 or 2 wins each year
The Kasey Kahne one was a joke... But he definitely had a lot of potential.
For sure
@@p1motorsports694 Are you going to do another one of these? I have a few pretty unpopular opinions.
@@Journeyjeffgordonfan24 idk maybe but I wanna make these a semi regular thing
Having been to both Daytona and Talladega, Daytona was incredible, Talladega was mediocre and wildly overrated. Will return to Daytona some day, no interest in going back to Dega at all.
As someone who went to both twice ur high
I was a little late but my take is the Brett Moffitt should be in at least a top level xfinity ride maybe a decent cup ride like LMC
Agreed
I have been saying this for years. I said he was going to be a champion before he won the truck championship for a less team (HRE) and I was right. If he drove in xfinity for jr or jgr he would definitely had a xfinity championship. He just needed a better ride. The other driver I was really confident about winning a championship in anything was another jr Motorsport driver, brad keselowski. We know how that turned out.
Hendricks best drivers by year
2016-Johnson
2017-Elliot
2018- Elliot
2019- Elliot
2020- Elliot
2021- Larson
2022- Elliot
2023- Byron (elliot out due to leg injury)
2024- we’ll see
Larson is an all around talent. But he is very comparable to Larson in nascar. In 2021 elliot was constantly right behind Larson in a bunch of races. It wasn’t like Larson was gone from him.
I agree elliot is not the best rn in the series but he is top3. Deal with it
He’ll never be a Jeff Gordon he’ll Larson won’t be either. But rn he is one of the top dogs
I don't think Elliott is bad and I think he is somewhere near Larson's level but not on it, but I think Elliott is top 5-10 at his best
Larson and Byron are underrated. Elliott and Bowman are overrated.
@@JasonRamme-g9w underrated? Larson? Bruh he’s the main guy talked about every race. People question him when he runs outside the top 5. He is not underrated lol. Hell rn people are comparing him to verstappen. If anything people talk more about him than Byron and bowman.
Elliot is close since he is up there with Larson in fan favorites and since he’s also battling for the regular season title
@@p1motorsports694 I can agree on all around talent. But rn in nascar it’s close. Anything else and Larson has him beat
The HMS penalty one isnt true because NASCAR does not run the appeals panel it is high ups from different parts of racing. So saying NASCAR is favoritising Hendrick when they then literally got a 60 point penalty later the same year so thats just not true. And I am not a HMS fan I am a Kyle Busch fan
But sadly those salty fans will just say ‘since you’re a Chevy fan you still like them’
Funny how the sanctioning body of indycar is okay with them running flat out at Indy at 230 mph, the cars are not as safe, they can get airborne as well. With the tracks aging, if you let them run 670 HP at dega and Daytona, they wouldn't be running wide open through the corner, they having handling issues now restricted as it is. They won't run wide open if they enter the corner at 220 to 230. Unrestrict these things, let the cream rise. To me it's a joke calling the Daytona 500 the biggest race anymore and it changes a drivers life. Does Trevor bane have a job in a car? If anyone can win it I dont look at it as the biggest race. I wish they would unrestrict it.
I see your point
Late add , while hearing you out on every driver deserves there championship based on the rules there given. With that said Kyle’s 2015 championship or Tyler’s 2018 championship are tied for the worst championships in nascar history. Kyle missed 1/3 of the races and Tyler wasn’t even the best on his team in 2018.
Agreed
Stage Racing is a product of fans asking for Nascar to have heat races before the races. Nascar tried heat racing in xfinity, it wasnt good so they went to stage racing. Fans are to blame for that.
Agree Bubba is a decent driver, not elite but decent.
Agree that Chase Elliott is completely overrated. Take your fandom out of everything and see how much Chase Elliott is pushed in advertising, media, and even during the race. Sure he won a championship and thats great but when he finishes back half of the top 20 and hes 3rd or 4th driver they talk to post race, yes it has happened before, then thats a bit much.
Agreed
Chase Elliott has just been food sped the best cars at Hendrick since 2017. Compared to his dad, he is nothing. If he was truly talented like Busch or Larson, he would’ve done what they did: come back from a hiatus and win a bunch of races and a title. What did he do? Nothing.
He’s also very egotistical, that motherfucker relies on his fans to back him up everytime as if he is Jesus Christ himself. He is elite at best but besides that 5 race stretch in 2022 what the fuck has he done? Everyone thinks he’s the king at road courses lmao. Larson, Busch, Bell, McDowell, Suarez and even more are better than him there. Elliott is like Bobby Labonte talent that will only end up with less than 30 wins.
Infact, I hate Elliott so much I wrote an entire essay on why I hate him so much for a drama project at school
David Pearson is the goat
Ehh
@@p1motorsports694 Look at his winning percentage.
Earnhardt is
Whats with the BW hate?
he’s a thug
@@Crussell04 motorsports 1?
@@Crussell04thug? Racist much??
@@Crussell04 How so
@@thefranchise4698 ❄️
Honestly chase elliot is very overrated the only thing that goes for him is his last name and that Atlanta race in 2022 the fans and the cameraman kept turning to the outside crowd which pissed me off JUST LET ME WATCH THE RACE (also chase is a motionless and a dirty driver
Ur an idiot overrated is Kyle Busch
Kylie crybaby Busch is most overrated driver
I disagree but I do see where you're coming from