Tbh, imo they’re pretty bad. They unnecessarily made the design really wonky because LEGO was too niggardly to create new Phase II accessories, and we’re not talking about a one off figure but instead an entire main trilogy army faction. And frankly we’re talking about the army faction that almost single-handedly created today’s generation of Star Wars fans and defined LEGO Star Wars fan culture for decades. It’s at least 25% of the reason I buy LEGO, and it’s as if every 2 years LEGO makes a random and unecessary design compromise that significantly deteriorate clone design, whether it be hybrid era torso prints, printed waist capes, or the helmet holes
@@kaleb749You really couldn't choose any other adjective to describe them being stingy? You're like a child saying words that sound like swears to "get away with it"
Yeah I think the holes look genuinely really bad, and it’s really obvious that LEGO doesn’t care about giving quality to the Star Wars mini figs compared to other themes. It’s sucks but people are still complaining about it too much, like clearly LEGO aren’t gonna change it so I think it would be more worth it to just accept it rather than keep getting mad over something.
1. I think even MandRs biggest fans would admit that he gives off entitled crying baby energy when talking about things he doesn’t agree with, if he could be a bit more mature and offer solutions to the problems I have a feeling more people would hear him out. 2. The “it’s a children’s toy, grown men crying over toys, go buy a black series” crowd is insufferable 3. The biggest issue with the helmet hole helmets is the printing imo, ever since they introduced them the new prints have ranged from slight downgrades (332), to plain goofy (fives).
Yeah it sucks so hard to have Mandr as the face of LSW fans passionate about good design. His smarmy smarter-than-thee attitude really doesn’t help anything, and him and his fanbase leaning towards advocating for the absurd 360° printing that you see in customs give credence to people who argue that advocating for Lego’s own basic design principles is too high standard for LEGO Star Wars. Also, it’s worth pointing out that even if you don’t see the universal chunkier proportions and random plastic bits the helmet holes cause in Phase II as a more serious problem than the droopy printing of a couple of clone legions, that shifted print actually only exists for the helmet holes. Compare every printed clone helmet to the older rendition, and you’ll find they universally have to be spaced farther apart from the crest on the 2022 Phase II helmets. Hence why Five’s face print is wispy and the 212’s print has the orange streaks connecting much lower.
But the thing is the problem that the helmet hole helmets have with the printing. They are also present on the non holed helmets ever since they introduced that new design with that 501st legion wave.
@hanshotlast the gap between the fin/mohawk/comlink and the printing is there in the 501st legion set. Just like how it is there in the og 332nd. I am looking at those figures right now. Now ifbwith og 501st you mean the clone wars one then youre wrong too that one has a gpa between the fin and printing too
It is actually just that. A kids toy. I think if people want to discuss the topic sure go ahead. Dislike the holes on the side. But in the end it really is a kids toy. A customizable endless options kids toy. Any set with a 100 pieces has millions of possibilities of reconnecting the bricks. If the holes are that much of a problem...don't buy the product. Nobody forces you. By continuously raging in every review on the helmet holes, it just shows the petty nature of the person reviewing. But that already shines through when Rex got released in a 13 buck set didn't it? The rage is not about product quality. But resale value. It shows how certain people gush over the bigger 501st battle pack. And have like 50/100 of these locked in storage. For the right moment to sell. Sets with holed helmet figures have less value. To them. Bringing it full circle to what the real problem is. People who do not love Lego but only care for resale value. Scalpers. I rest my case.
This situation is so ridiculous I thought this was an out if season April Fools joke, but then I realized it's the Lego community. I like the helmet holes, it allows for customization on any helmet.
Can you blame people for hating how they look though? Because they heavily change the shape of the helmet and printing and don’t even give you any attachments in the sets
this whole "pick your side" stuff is becoming rampant on the internet nowadays even more now than before, the fact that its festering even for LEGO pieces of all things should be a sign people need to take a break and go on a walk or something.
It's a ridiculous argument. Made by fanatics. Lego is Lego. It's a kids toy. Convince me otherwise. They put stud shooters on every vehicle. So far as to break the mold on vehicles just to include them. So kids can swoosh and shoot. Should I then care about 2 holes on the side of a helmet for a kids toy? And I get it. The 501st hailed battle pack. I got 2 of that set. Love it. But not so much as to buy 50 of it to put in the closet and wait for it to sell them for 100 bucks a piece. I'm not a scalper. The value of anything after that set became less, and that is what they cry about. The previous helmet is deemed superior. So nobody will be buying a set with the newer helmets. At least not their target customers.
@@dgray3771wow you are delusional why do you think LEGO makes giant 18+ sets? Oh it couldn’t be becuase there are more AFOLS and TFOLS than kid fans nowadays, as a kid I loved no helmet holes becuase it looked actually accurate, and I thought stud shooters sucked, what you said is immature and couldn’t be more wrong
@@imperialbricks4217 18+ sets are 18+ sets. Made up of thousands of pieces. I have to see the first 18+ set with just a minifig and some accessories. Then I will believe that lego is a thing made for kids. And to say delusional already shows what you think. You make it personal when I clearly state what Lego is and what the initial market is. 18+ sets are that because of the complexity of build. Not because of exclusive parts in the set.
Why I dislike the holes: -They look a tad bit bad -The range finders (antennas) look goofy Why I like them: -Customization. Imo they should just have a different mold for clones who would use range finders (Ex: Officer on the 501st BP; Rex; Fives).
Yup and another thing for the holes that is a negative is that the range finders fall so easy even a little bit of movement while the p1 doesn’t fall easy
If they threw Macro binocular parts in Clone sets more often (they're only in the 501st specialist pack that's about to retire) the helmet holes would be awesome, honestly.
I don’t see the point in producing two separate incompatible Phase II helmets when they could easily just make one Phase II helmet mould and update the accessories so that they aren’t accommodating Phase I accessories. The whole thing is baffling honestly, why would they ever have released the holeless Phase II helmet in the first place?
It feels cathartic to have someone say this. It’s so frustrating trying to improve something I care a lot for and meet so much anti-intellectualism and opposition, especially when it doesn’t affect the helmet hole defenders in the slightest if the clone design is changed.
I saw they could have attachments and went "dope." And never thought about it again. I actually had to have somebody explain to me what the problem was.
Well that’s your opinion the problem isn’t the helmet hole necessarily to me it is but to find common ground it would be a great alternative if LEGO could just put them in the correct spot so the clone helmets don’t look so damn awful
They’re not even bad looking. Should they have been lower? Sure! However being able to customize your phase 2 clones is a nice option to have if you have the parts to do so. I was a “these dont look that great” but actually seeing a helmet holed clone in person, i dont mind them
I feel like MandR is a big contributor to the divide. The guy just doesn’t stop complaining about them. He’ll complain about them even on videos where it’s not even the topic
I can understand why people find it annoying but It’s kinda his job to complain about things he doesn’t like in a set and guess what is in every clone set helmet holes. People kinda exaggerate how much he complains, it’s like 2 seconds in a 20 minute video
Honestly, i completely get why someone may dislike these helmet holes, they are in an awkward position, stand out oddly on clones that dont have accesories, and generally the old ones may have looked sleeker. But for me, ive been wanting holes on these helmets for years because i found it weird how you had phase 1 helmets that had them but no phase 2s. So now i can customize them in the ways i always wanted to!
I hate the new daul mold stormtroopers but I met a guy looking for daul mold stormiest and he told me he loves them. I just responded that I personally don’t like them and that I’m jealous that the Rouge one stormiest aren’t as cheap to collect. I mean for someone who likes them you gotta be loving the fact that their easy to find and cheap to buy. Most people talking about helmet holes arn’t so civilized.
The only think I will never understand is why Lego doesn't use the old mold for clones that don't need holes, they have that already. But I really appreciate this vid, it was nice to see some calm positivity for a change. Sadly the lego community fell victim to what's been happening all over the internet for the past couple of years. People are slowly forgetting how to properly argue
I've noticed from the Start of the helmet hole argument that it doesn't keep the big negative voices from making a shit ton of money off of the product in question. Even the exclusivity of same product to certain sets to make money. Lego+controversy=$$$
At the end of the day, it's like a 1/2 mm circle on the side of a plastic figure. It's not the end of the world. Wether you like them or hate them, they aren't gonna explode your house lol
helmet holes could have been made better and / or just been made for special chars who need them like cody.. but that seems so very small next to the issue I've got with the helmets not being printed right (212th and fives)
@@definitely_just_floating ah yes.. almost forgot fox there red and white worked on other figs before.. idk how they could've gone this far without noticing... I'd like do belive the designers making a mistake somewhere.. maybe even suggesting to change it but the higher ups saying that it is good enough.. while also not wanting to spend anything more to correct it if no one from disney says otherwise
A. How does it seem small next to helmet holes? Helmet holes alter the proportions of ALL Phase II clone helmets, making them chunky and adding random plastic detail B. It’s honestly ironic you say the terrible prints are a more serious issue, because these print issues are caused by the helmet hole prints. Compare all printed current Phase II helmets to the old holeless Phase II; you’ll find that in every helmet print, the new helmet has a larger space between the crest and the print than the old ones. That’s not coincidental
Idk How would the holes impact the placement of prints on the helmet? Everything seems fine except for the fives markings and a simple in comparison looking triangle for the 212th trooper too.. Never seen how they do these figures so idk.. But if I could undo only one of the two issues it would definitely be the prints
@@AlexDeBremaI’m not a LEGO insider, so I don’t know exactly how the new plastic bits interfere with the printing, I’d imagine it has to do with the machine now having to deal with a wider and more warped helmet. But in any case, i think you should look again. These new print issues only arose with the new helmets, and every new Phase II helmet print now has more distance from the center crest. Obviously for a lot of clones like Rex or Cody, you’re not going to see the difference. But it’s really noticeable on the 212th and Fives, and if you look closely at designs that also have forehead prints like the 501st and the gunners, you can see that they also are spaced farther from the center crest. It doesn’t ruin all the new designs, but if you pay attention, you can see that they ALL have a larger gap between printing and the helmet crest, and that’s just simply not coincidental.
As some comments pointed out, Mr productions really should try not to sound like an entitled guy when complaining about everything. Because, as is, most of the toxic people that act like this probably are the same who like mr productions (NO HATE TO RYAN , JUST AN OPINION). I do agree with some things he says in general, but he really should try to say things in a more mature way, so theres not as many toxic idiots as there are. Obviously, there would still be some, but not nearly as much as there is now.
I saw the helmet holes in person for the first time yesterday and it is completely blown out of proportion. Is it inaccurate? sure. Does it matter? Not to me personally. I could see how some people might find it to be a bigger problem though
I agree with the anti-helmet community that helmet holes suck, and I honestly can't see why anyone would like them as they are now. Now when I say helmet holes, I just want to clarify, its specifically the placement of them that ticks me off. However, I definitely think people can disagree while being respectful. All of the Lego youtubers that I watch are pretty good with this (to my knowledge).
The placement is needed for the macros and visors (these should get an upgrade), but they should definitely fix the placement for characters who would only use a range finder (these also kinda need an upgrade imo)
@@definitely_just_floating Yeah. Ideally, Lego should just move the helmet hole down a little bit, and then make new molds for the visors so that they would fit. They also need to make the range finders a little bit thinner IMO, because they look kind of funny sticking out that far.
@@kaleb749 At some point accuracy and playability meet a crossroads where one has to suffer. If 2 out of 3 accessories look fine (which even the antennas aren't much of an issue) then accuracy is gonna suffer. If you value accuracy more, then there are plenty of Hasbro figures and vehicles to go around (I say that as a Hasbro collector myself).
@@awesomefez6959there is no reason for this to be one of those crossroads, LEGO has had no problem incorporating the playability of clone accessories and the accuracy of good holes placement in Phase I clones AND Mandalorians. The reality is the only thing stopping LEGO from doing both is the money of fixing their mistake with yet another Phase II helmet redesign in addition to brand new Phase II accessories. LEGO has no problem sparing this expense for things like the updated Vader helmet, so I see no reason a billion dollar gross profit company that is only growing needs to skimp on the design of a central army faction for its motst popular IP theme Most clones aren’t accessorized, and the antennas don’t look fine, they look virtually the same as accessory-less clones and it’s weird how much farther up the antenna sits on them, it really is quite tall. Also, I don’t collect Hasbro and don’t intend to because I don’t like accurate representations of Star Wars characters: I like accurate representations of Star Wars characters within Lego’s style. The accuracy i ask for is only accuracy LEGO had as its own previous standards.
I honestly remember back in 2021 when the lego star wars community was not toxic and all us clone wars fans only had the 2020 501st battle packs to work with. I feel like clones have gotten better since 2020 because of customization and lego putting out better clone wars sets but it feels like the community is being too negative to lego while lego is putting much more work into making new clone sets. But I agree with both sides. I do think lego could be putting more effort into some printing. But I think lego does care about their fans. I have been to the lego store multiple times and the employees there are amazing people. I just think we should all learn to be civil and respect eachothers opinions. Anyways sorry for this insanely long comment. I have been with this community since 2020 and I just have a lot to say. I still like ryans vids and I don’t agree with some of his takes.
1.- It's okay to like/dislike Helmet Holes! 2.- There are some "influencers" that promote the hate on both sides! 3.- It's Really Pathetic to dislike someone because of some tiny holes on a minifig helmet!
I too absolutely hate the helmet hole discussion. By the way, thanks for putting my meme in the vid. 😆 0:27 Edit: also thx for summarizing the drama in such a good manner.
I recently got a Commander Gree in the mail and had an idea: only the characters who need the helmet holes should get them. Otherwise, regular clones/any lead who don't have a visor/antenna should get regular helmets.
@@skyethepanda7216 omg dude, yes Mando and Phase I had helmet holes, why do you think no one complained about it then? It’s because you can’t even tell they exist from the front, it’s perfectly placed on the helmet. Phase II should also have them placed right, and make Phase II accessories do those fit it right, like they already did with Phase I back in 2007
I completely understand the problem here, and I do think that everyone should calm down, but I can’t be upset about it, because I’m just happy to have what we’re getting nowadays, considering there was a time where things like what we have now seemed like nothing more than a fantasy.
Yeah I agree, it's ridiculous that people go nuts about a change on a I remind you, " children's toy" I personally like the helmet holes, they give you a good base to customize your clones, and they did put the holes where they are so that the visors look accurate, the straight visors wouldn't fit if the holes were lower in the helmet and those visors would look stupid.
Why does everyone assume that only Phase I accessories can be used? LEGO could put the holes correctly in the Phase II helmets and make accessories that fit in them right, just like they did back in 2007 with Phase I.
@@kaleb749 im not assuming. I have pahse 1 and phase 2 clones. The visors are exactly the same from phase one and phase two clones. Im just saying in my comment that they would have to make new visors with an angle in it which would look stupid and inaccurate. So I understand why the holes on a phase 2 are where they are. Or what did you mean with assuming friend?
@@tobiaswehner6836I thought you were referring to how a phase I accessory would sit on a correctly holed Phase II helmet, but maybe you’re not? I’m confused what you mean because the Phase I and Phase II visors are actually relatively identical in how much they angle and sit on the canonical helmet, it’s the wide bar to the helmet that changes length. What I’m saying is that LEGO can have a similar connection from the visor to the hole, BUT the visor’s peg won’t be the top of the visor. If you look up Clone Army Custom’s Phase II Cody and imagine it still has a plastic connection into the hole beneath how CAC connects the visor, you might be able to see what I mean. Id show you with photo editing, but I don’t think RUclips allows links
@@kaleb749 yeah that's what I mean that the visors are the same, and I know what you mean, I have a custom Cody and he has the helmet holes where alot of people say the holes should be and because of that the custom maker used a visor that has an angle on the end to fit the different location of the holes in relation to where the eye/mask seeing cover is, the black on the face, and that's what I mean, lego made the holes where they are on phase 2, to use the old visor mold from the phase 1s ad I think that's good because those visors look more accurate than the ones from the custom company I have my Cody from.
@@tobiaswehner6836ok, well while that’s kinda accurate for a figure like Cody, the vast majority of clones are not visor clones, and my solution would give the appearance of it being accurate for visor clones while making EVERY clone accurate
They don’t look good and I just wish they would line them up properly. I think the “children’s toy” thing is a stupid argument. No one is spending the money that many clones are found in nowadays for a children’s toy.
i mean it is good for customisation but when you're not customising they can get annoying, but lego can't dictate whether you're gonna customise your minifigures or not
I hear a lot of people say that it’s not the holes that the problem it’s wonky printing. I haven’t noticed any problems with printing other than the 212th. I think people are now just creating problems.
You're exactly the kind of person I'm addressing in this video. Comments like these ARE the problem I'm talking about. Maybe MandR needs to chill out or grow up a little or whatever, but to me it looks like you're in that same boat.
@crazydog1750 I'm allowed to find something funny, you can act high and mighty about this but it's not that deep. Lego fans take things way too seriously, especially Lego Star Wars fans. If helmet holes is all it takes to sour your mood then there's a legitimate problem and that person needs to seek professional help
@@someguy475 You can find something funny, sure. I don't mind that. And you're also allowed to dislike an aspect of a product you enjoy and not need to seek "professional help." I'm saying that being rude and insulting is what the problem is here. It's so unnecessary. Whether that's toning it down on how much you dislike helmet holes or toning it down on how much you dislike those who dislike helmet holes, the anger and superiority complexes need to stop.
@crazydog1750 Never said nobody is allowed to not dislike them, I understand where some of them are coming from. The old helmet holes on the Clone Wars sets were less noticeable. I just personally think the people who act like the new helmet holes are the end of the world are overreacting and need to stop taking small plastic dudes so seriously
I honestly thought the Lego Star Wars community was a more peaceful place compared to the main Star Wars community, but I was wrong, I'm really pleased with the holes in the helmet as I was over 10 years from Lego introducing this from when they introduced the P2 model in Lego in 2013 but that's not everyone Being satisfied but doing what Lego is not a perfect company, as it cannot please everyone
It is really simple though. Want something dead on accurate to the source material that looks like the figure just popped off the screen go buy a collectible figure. I got a bunch of Black series figures from Hasbro. If you enjoy lego, enjoy lego. This discussion about helmet holes and what not is like having a melt down because the roof of your lego car has studs... It is a buildable toy. Made for kids. For all I care a kid mixes up a Clone trooper with an Imperial storm trooper because he thinks they look cool. Meanwhile a SW fanatic has a meltdown that the pants do not look right! I bet these haters are great parents. Telling their kids everything they "made up" is wrong to the canon of the SW lore...
The idea of helmet holes was good, but the execution objectively sucks. Instead of drilling the holes in the proper attachment spots (although I'm pretty sure it's molded like that), they drill them a spot up so the visor doesn't cover the clone's eyes. This causes warts, holes in the helmets, and the range finders gets placed too high. Instead, just put them in the proper spot and mold a phase 2 clone visor that is placed a bit higher up on its pins and have the corners fold down a bit. This would make it more accurate. Lego is overall a good company. They make a good product, they will go the extra mile some times, and they can make good decisions. There are just a lot of things that they have done which are fuled by greed, ignorance, or malice. For example, the gunship. Or the armorer reusing a helmet for another character making her inaccurate. Another one is how Lego stopped doing waste capes for Star Wars for no reason. Or how they don't make accurate blasters. There are also a lot more. Some of these decisions are made so Lego can increase their profit margins. Others are made because the designers just don't care about the build so they don't research the lore enough. And very few are made out of malice (mainly the gunship) The main point in this video isn't just true to this but everything else in life. These days people are extremely retarded and don't know how to properly think and discuss stuff. The masses are extremely ignorant even though information is easily excessible. People also struggle with properly thinking and discussing things. People struggle to research stuff and review all the facts before forming a stance on things. They are lazy and form a stance on something with doing no, or very little research. They are also extremely emotional with their thoughts. They are a slave to their emotions letting it guide them. Frontal lobe thinking is not a good thing. Also very few people actually know how to argue. They usually get very heated very quick when met with disagreement; They are usually stubborn and dumb which those 2 are a poor combination; They are usually bad at explaining and conveying their thoughts; They don't know logic and logical fallicies; They also give up when met with repeated proper opposition to their points.
I don't mind either way. I like the helmet holes so I can add accessories. But not all minifigs need accessories 🤷♂️. It's just the way it is, whining from both sides won't change anything.
I really dont get it. Fans have been wanting Phase 2 Cody for a while, but we didnt get it for a while. When Lego finally added helmet holes to phase two clones, around 2 decades after their release, so we can finally get cody, and other characters that use visors, fans start complaining. I dont think people get that you cant really have characters like cody and fox without the holes, so if you dont want the holes, that means you dont want the character. Not trying to put out hate, im just saying! Nice vid btw.
Oh my fucking god guys its a toy for children. the reason why they are in the clones is because the target audience probably doesnt care that they wouldnt look good in pictures. I hate the current attitude of lego star wars fans. lego is not making toys for you. they are making them for kids. complaints about ucs sets i totally am for. if you pay for ultimate you should get ultimate. but like come on guys with this. its lego.
I mean, about the Lego intentionally making things bad has some backing behind it. Just look at the Fox figure, the quality on that thing is horrendous and the huge inaccurate of half his torso being the wrong colour is not only extremely obvious to anyone who’s not brainless but it would’ve literally have been cheaper to make it correct
His mockery of the first 1999 SW range criticising its accuracy and expressing the opinion Lego should have waited a few years till they had better pieces tells me that on a very fundamental level he does not understand what Lego is or does.
Personally I like helmet holes. While it does suck that they aren’t in the correct place, it is a minor issue that doesn’t detract from them too much, and I really like the added customisation that was previously exclusive to P1 troopers. also Lego please give us a Jedi battlepack please
Agree overall. Only point i disagree partially on is lego hating it's fans. While i don't think they activly hate them i do think they havw tremendous contempt for the star wars fans in particular which you can see based on how many more figures the qualiry of the figures and the ratio of printing vs stickers and the amount if custom molds thst almost every other major line has. It just feels like lego thinks star wars fans will buy anything so they don't put as much effort into the star wars line as others. The helmet holes are a good example of that.
I don't mind the helmet holes because they let me attach extras to helmets, but I do get the complaints. This whole issue has gotten out of hand, I don't think the rampant arguing helps anyone in this community. It's nice to see a cooler head in this whole debacle instead of the frothing at the mouth that some people have.
I kept writing that I love Helmet holes Just to see People reactions, quite funny on how some can be that agressive for such a small thing, I really don't care if they are there or not, at the end of the day I am more interested in the builds
I'm the maniac that takes minifigure parts and creates new minifigs out of them, so I love the helmet holes, but I can definitely see why some are upset
They did helmet holes in the most lazy way possible they just slapped them on every single clone since the atte even when the clones don’t need them like in the barc speeder chase
the main issue I take with anti helmet hole people is a lot of the big names in the discussion come off as if they're trying to squeeze money out of their fans it's never "this clone has helmet hole if you don't like it here's some recommendations on how to fix it" it's almost always "this clone has helmet holes if you don't like it I have custom parts on my store that I say for very high prices, trust me this is a big issue that lego must fix" and too many people just seem to blindly follow, it's reached a point where any tiny inaccuracy in clones (notice how it's always clones rarely anything else) gets blown up into this massive issue that you must spend more money to fix which at that point I think they should just move onto buying action figures if they want accuracy. If there's helmet holes it's good because you can customise your clones more (that's the entire point of the toy), if they're not there you can't and it limits the figure. They should be in the correct place but I feel like we've reached a point where if they correct it then 10+ years of specific parts won't be able to be used on the corrected helmets and parts made for those helmets won't be able to be used on other helmets that use the current parts, it would cost too much for to realistically expect Lego to create a new P2 helmet mold, new attachment molds for that helmet, while still producing the current P1 and Mando helmet alongside all the current attackments
Tbh I'm neutral towards helmet holes, but I can't help but laugh when people complain about inaccuracy. Like I'm pretty sure clone troopers don't have giant holes in their legs or claw hands either.
I'm pretty neutral on helmet holes. I agree that they look kinda bad and probably could have been handled better, but it definitely doesn't ruin the minifigures for me. I felt some people over-dramatized how bad they are. I somehow had no idea how hostile people were getting over defending them though.
I think the helmet holes are good because they allow customization options, I don’t think they look bad at all, as I barely notice them unless I am actively trying to, and I also understand that Lego would have to sacrifice a mold somewhere else for us to get both holed and unholed, which I’m not sure would be worth it. I also get that people are allowed to have their own opinions and think that the people who are against them are valid in not liking them. I might not agree with a lot of the reasoning for disliking them (mainly that they look ugly), but you are entitled to that opinion and are valid in having it. The problem I have with the anti-holes people is that a lot of them feel like they are complaining for the sake of complaining at this point. I’m fine with fighting for what you believe in, but at this point, it’s just getting ridiculous. A lot of them use every opportunity to complain about something that really isn’t that big a deal, and it’s just becoming too much. We get it, you don’t like them, that doesn’t mean you need to spend every waking moment complaining about it.
Personally, the only reason I think the “helmet hole enjoyers” crowd can be toxic is because from what I’ve personally seen, the people who dislike them are both some of the biggest LSW content creators, and are even more toxic then the enjoyers. Also, I feel like the “enjoyers” don’t even really care, but think it’s funny/pretty pathetic that so many people care enough to complain about an aspect that, objectively, is the smallest issue to have with a lego mold/figure
I’d say that’s a reasonable take. The creators you’re referring to do have a tendency to overblow things, and I have a tendency to think that people online are meaner than they probably actually are. 😂
Yeah I do agree with this, the people hating on Ryan are more insufferable than his, actually very few, big stans. Yeah he can be pretty over the top sometimes but tbh he is correct about most things objectively lol
Completely false, new LEGO heads no longer have holes and there’s no reason one specific theme’s specific character would have holes for emergency situations if 99% of LEGO minifigs don’t
1:32 You would be surprised how many enterprises hate the people who give them money. Some of them are even pretty big, Some have even come out and openly state they hate their fans **stares at people in the Western Anime Localizing industry**
As a life long Star Wars fan and Lego Star Wars collector I couldn’t care less about the helmet holes, they are a toy and the more playability there is the better On a display set then maybe I see the point but most play sets are that, play sets
And any community. All fandoms, all communities are like this. I see this on everything everywhere. With clear exceptions. What I'd steer clear from is people that enact this type of toxic extremism in any hobby.
I proposed a compromise where instead of making a new macrobinocular mold (which they did), they could’ve instead pulled those resources to make a new visor mold that would attach at the point where the correct spot at the helmet to not morph the shape and warp the printing. On that exact video you referenced. Yeah, I was called a man-child for proposing a well thought-out hypothetical that would please both parties. Compromise is dead.
It’s the obvious solution and what LEGO already did for Phase I. It makes it so inexplicable that these helmet hole defenders don’t see the problem or even the value in the improvement and are so invested in shit slinging over something they have 0 stake in
It’s the obvious solution and what LEGO already did for Phase I. It makes it so inexplicable that these helmet hole defenders don’t see the problem or even the value in the improvement and are so invested in shit slinging over something they have 0 stake in
i do think it is funny i get you can not like helmet holed, but like, the way mandr gets mad about its at a whole other level and i think it is okay to laugh about it like, it is just not that bad, it is not worth it to get THAT mad and his tone is terrible i enjoy his work, he does cool vids, but he goes to far and like i get it but just let it die making fun of that a bit is not that bad, ofc people take it a bit far and yes, that should not happen, but it is funny how much he gets mad
I feel likw you can use math to deduce if helmet holes are bad, or wrong. Let's say it's divides 50/50 for and against helmet holes, as they currently are on phase 2 clone troopers. Most Clones produced by lego are unnamed characters so let's see. In a world where there are no helmet holes one side is satisfied and the other is not. In a world where there are it is the other way around. What is the difference? If there are no holes, the people who are dissatisfied get a nicer looking figure than the other way around. So in conclusion I think no helmet holes is better, as in such a case the product looks better, than in the case where there are holes. Also side note. If Lego says that they add helmet holes, to add "customization" to their clones, why are they not adding accessories to the sets like the battle pack. Personally I don't like the holes. They make the shape of the helmet look to much like a square and if you have the old mold it makes it look even worse. Also I don't know why, but eversince that new mold was added the printing was messed up on the clones' helmets.
Thing is, taking one over the other isn’t necessary. Why is it impossible to have both accessories and good design when Phase I and Mandos did it? It’s a false dichotomy that LEGO could easily get rid of by owning up to their repeated mistake and just creating a Phase II accessory pack so they can put the holes and accessories in the right place
@@kaleb749 True. Unfortunately this whole situation probably could've been avoided if Lego planned ahead when making the Phase I design. They made it so that it matched the Phase I helmet, without taking into consideration how it would fit on a phase II one.
@@hubertwaliszewski5740 yeah the lack of planning ahead is so wild, like it’s not just this helmet, why did they release the other new Phase II that couldn’t do accessories in the first place 😭
I just don’t get how it blew up to this bad in the first place. Yeah it’s not a great spot to put the holes when that little circular spot is right underneath where the helmet hole already goes, but the ability to get some use out of the extra helmet attachments and sortve kitbash your own oc clone troopers. It’s a play pattern, it seems like most forget LEGO are toy designers as well as manufacturers. They put helmet holes on phase 2 helmets w/this in mind. They knew that kids who may have watched clone wars and gets a LEGO Star Wars kit w/ a clone trooper or two would maybe wanna customize one of the troopers into their own character. Not everyone wants to army build a gajillion troopers to stand on grey baseplates for army showcase videos. LEGO is a children’s product first and foremost, yes they create 18+ collector style sets and most play sets do have more accuracies that only collectors are realistically going to care about, but helmet holes aren’t that, they’re purely one of functionality. It’s future proofing as well as giving themselves the ability to do named clone troopers like Rex, fives, Cody, fox, etc. I don’t think they’re great for the integration of it, but I understand why theyre there, and if I ever really dislike how they look I can just buy a few third party helmets to remedy the situation.
Helmet holes are not good but they also not that bad so everyone just chill out
Tbh, imo they’re pretty bad.
They unnecessarily made the design really wonky because LEGO was too niggardly to create new Phase II accessories, and we’re not talking about a one off figure but instead an entire main trilogy army faction.
And frankly we’re talking about the army faction that almost single-handedly created today’s generation of Star Wars fans and defined LEGO Star Wars fan culture for decades. It’s at least 25% of the reason I buy LEGO, and it’s as if every 2 years LEGO makes a random and unecessary design compromise that significantly deteriorate clone design, whether it be hybrid era torso prints, printed waist capes, or the helmet holes
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@@kaleb749You really couldn't choose any other adjective to describe them being stingy? You're like a child saying words that sound like swears to "get away with it"
Yeah I think the holes look genuinely really bad, and it’s really obvious that LEGO doesn’t care about giving quality to the Star Wars mini figs compared to other themes. It’s sucks but people are still complaining about it too much, like clearly LEGO aren’t gonna change it so I think it would be more worth it to just accept it rather than keep getting mad over something.
@Technoblast649, it's his opinion. If anything, you sound sound like a child by responding to his/hers opinions
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😂😂 I was wondering if this vid would reach you.
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1. I think even MandRs biggest fans would admit that he gives off entitled crying baby energy when talking about things he doesn’t agree with, if he could be a bit more mature and offer solutions to the problems I have a feeling more people would hear him out.
2. The “it’s a children’s toy, grown men crying over toys, go buy a black series” crowd is insufferable
3. The biggest issue with the helmet hole helmets is the printing imo, ever since they introduced them the new prints have ranged from slight downgrades (332), to plain goofy (fives).
Yeah it sucks so hard to have Mandr as the face of LSW fans passionate about good design. His smarmy smarter-than-thee attitude really doesn’t help anything, and him and his fanbase leaning towards advocating for the absurd 360° printing that you see in customs give credence to people who argue that advocating for Lego’s own basic design principles is too high standard for LEGO Star Wars.
Also, it’s worth pointing out that even if you don’t see the universal chunkier proportions and random plastic bits the helmet holes cause in Phase II as a more serious problem than the droopy printing of a couple of clone legions, that shifted print actually only exists for the helmet holes. Compare every printed clone helmet to the older rendition, and you’ll find they universally have to be spaced farther apart from the crest on the 2022 Phase II helmets. Hence why Five’s face print is wispy and the 212’s print has the orange streaks connecting much lower.
But the thing is the problem that the helmet hole helmets have with the printing. They are also present on the non holed helmets ever since they introduced that new design with that 501st legion wave.
@@TheBenjamanthe og 501st print didn’t have printing issues
@hanshotlast the gap between the fin/mohawk/comlink and the printing is there in the 501st legion set. Just like how it is there in the og 332nd. I am looking at those figures right now. Now ifbwith og 501st you mean the clone wars one then youre wrong too that one has a gpa between the fin and printing too
It is actually just that. A kids toy. I think if people want to discuss the topic sure go ahead. Dislike the holes on the side. But in the end it really is a kids toy. A customizable endless options kids toy. Any set with a 100 pieces has millions of possibilities of reconnecting the bricks. If the holes are that much of a problem...don't buy the product. Nobody forces you.
By continuously raging in every review on the helmet holes, it just shows the petty nature of the person reviewing. But that already shines through when Rex got released in a 13 buck set didn't it? The rage is not about product quality. But resale value.
It shows how certain people gush over the bigger 501st battle pack. And have like 50/100 of these locked in storage. For the right moment to sell. Sets with holed helmet figures have less value. To them. Bringing it full circle to what the real problem is. People who do not love Lego but only care for resale value. Scalpers. I rest my case.
This situation is so ridiculous I thought this was an out if season April Fools joke, but then I realized it's the Lego community.
I like the helmet holes, it allows for customization on any helmet.
Can you blame people for hating how they look though? Because they heavily change the shape of the helmet and printing and don’t even give you any attachments in the sets
@@omarbaba9892 No and I can see why people don't like the holes. However, that is no excuse for the behavior described in the video.
@@omarbaba9892Why are you everywhere.
this whole "pick your side" stuff is becoming rampant on the internet nowadays even more now than before, the fact that its festering even for LEGO pieces of all things should be a sign people need to take a break and go on a walk or something.
It's a ridiculous argument. Made by fanatics. Lego is Lego. It's a kids toy. Convince me otherwise. They put stud shooters on every vehicle. So far as to break the mold on vehicles just to include them. So kids can swoosh and shoot. Should I then care about 2 holes on the side of a helmet for a kids toy?
And I get it. The 501st hailed battle pack. I got 2 of that set. Love it. But not so much as to buy 50 of it to put in the closet and wait for it to sell them for 100 bucks a piece. I'm not a scalper. The value of anything after that set became less, and that is what they cry about. The previous helmet is deemed superior. So nobody will be buying a set with the newer helmets. At least not their target customers.
@@dgray3771wow you are delusional why do you think LEGO makes giant 18+ sets? Oh it couldn’t be becuase there are more AFOLS and TFOLS than kid fans nowadays, as a kid I loved no helmet holes becuase it looked actually accurate, and I thought stud shooters sucked, what you said is immature and couldn’t be more wrong
@@imperialbricks4217 18+ sets are 18+ sets. Made up of thousands of pieces. I have to see the first 18+ set with just a minifig and some accessories. Then I will believe that lego is a thing made for kids.
And to say delusional already shows what you think. You make it personal when I clearly state what Lego is and what the initial market is. 18+ sets are that because of the complexity of build. Not because of exclusive parts in the set.
Lego Star Wars Reddit is so toxic
You can say that again. And also again. And again. And again….
Reddit in general is toxic
How exactly is it toxic? Their are bad actors for sure but not everyone is like that
Why I dislike the holes:
-They look a tad bit bad
-The range finders (antennas) look goofy
Why I like them:
-Customization.
Imo they should just have a different mold for clones who would use range finders (Ex: Officer on the 501st BP; Rex; Fives).
yes! that would be a good compromise.
Yup and another thing for the holes that is a negative is that the range finders fall so easy even a little bit of movement while the p1 doesn’t fall easy
If they threw Macro binocular parts in Clone sets more often (they're only in the 501st specialist pack that's about to retire) the helmet holes would be awesome, honestly.
Another negative is that it always messes up the helmet print
I don’t see the point in producing two separate incompatible Phase II helmets when they could easily just make one Phase II helmet mould and update the accessories so that they aren’t accommodating Phase I accessories.
The whole thing is baffling honestly, why would they ever have released the holeless Phase II helmet in the first place?
I like them, but you are right, its gotten out of han of how people are isscusing them
I think that the “d” on your keyboard is broken. 😂
@@crazydog1750 amn, is it that obvious
@@Bartsman123unDoubteDly
@@Bartsman123ik man how can a keyboar be that messe up
It feels cathartic to have someone say this. It’s so frustrating trying to improve something I care a lot for and meet so much anti-intellectualism and opposition, especially when it doesn’t affect the helmet hole defenders in the slightest if the clone design is changed.
I saw they could have attachments and went "dope." And never thought about it again. I actually had to have somebody explain to me what the problem was.
Well that’s your opinion the problem isn’t the helmet hole necessarily to me it is but to find common ground it would be a great alternative if LEGO could just put them in the correct spot so the clone helmets don’t look so damn awful
@@imperialbricks4217but then the visor piece fits too low
@@MrElmo54321 no it wouldn’t if they actually designed a new visor instead of the same parts from effing 2008
@@imperialbricks4217 and yall act like that’s the easiest thing in the world
@@MrElmo54321 EXACTLY, designing a new visor piece would be hard with the holes place that low!
They’re not even bad looking. Should they have been lower? Sure! However being able to customize your phase 2 clones is a nice option to have if you have the parts to do so.
I was a “these dont look that great” but actually seeing a helmet holed clone in person, i dont mind them
PLEASE BE POLITE AND RESPECTFUL IN THE COMMENTS.
So what do you think? Was I too harsh towards anyone? Not harsh enough? Was this video pointless?
Made complete sense and had a nice counter to the ranting from both sides
it was well balanced and fair imo.
Why do people hate helmet hoe ?
Excellent video. wp.
I have no Idea why RUclips suggested this to me, What are we even talking about?
The ww3 of the Lego Star Wars fandom
@@sporeham1674real.
Manchildren arguing over the minute detail of a hole on the side of clone trooper helmets to stick accessories in.
@@LonelyGamer4 Pluh you learned nothing from the video 💀
I feel like MandR is a big contributor to the divide. The guy just doesn’t stop complaining about them. He’ll complain about them even on videos where it’s not even the topic
I can understand why people find it annoying but It’s kinda his job to complain about things he doesn’t like in a set and guess what is in every clone set helmet holes. People kinda exaggerate how much he complains, it’s like 2 seconds in a 20 minute video
There is a whole side of lego that i didnt knew existed
Honestly, i completely get why someone may dislike these helmet holes, they are in an awkward position, stand out oddly on clones that dont have accesories, and generally the old ones may have looked sleeker. But for me, ive been wanting holes on these helmets for years because i found it weird how you had phase 1 helmets that had them but no phase 2s. So now i can customize them in the ways i always wanted to!
I hate the new daul mold stormtroopers but I met a guy looking for daul mold stormiest and he told me he loves them. I just responded that I personally don’t like them and that I’m jealous that the Rouge one stormiest aren’t as cheap to collect. I mean for someone who likes them you gotta be loving the fact that their easy to find and cheap to buy. Most people talking about helmet holes arn’t so civilized.
The only think I will never understand is why Lego doesn't use the old mold for clones that don't need holes, they have that already.
But I really appreciate this vid, it was nice to see some calm positivity for a change. Sadly the lego community fell victim to what's been happening all over the internet for the past couple of years. People are slowly forgetting how to properly argue
I've noticed from the Start of the helmet hole argument that it doesn't keep the big negative voices from making a shit ton of money off of the product in question. Even the exclusivity of same product to certain sets to make money. Lego+controversy=$$$
At the end of the day, it's like a 1/2 mm circle on the side of a plastic figure. It's not the end of the world. Wether you like them or hate them, they aren't gonna explode your house lol
Exactly.
helmet holes could have been made better and / or just been made for special chars who need them like cody..
but that seems so very small next to the issue I've got with the helmets not being printed right (212th and fives)
Bigger issue than the holes and many seem to forget it. Mind adding that they should’ve definitely fixed Fox before the set was even released.
@@definitely_just_floating ah yes.. almost forgot fox there
red and white worked on other figs before.. idk how they could've gone this far without noticing...
I'd like do belive the designers making a mistake somewhere.. maybe even suggesting to change it but the higher ups saying that it is good enough.. while also not wanting to spend anything more to correct it if no one from disney says otherwise
A. How does it seem small next to helmet holes? Helmet holes alter the proportions of ALL Phase II clone helmets, making them chunky and adding random plastic detail
B. It’s honestly ironic you say the terrible prints are a more serious issue, because these print issues are caused by the helmet hole prints. Compare all printed current Phase II helmets to the old holeless Phase II; you’ll find that in every helmet print, the new helmet has a larger space between the crest and the print than the old ones. That’s not coincidental
Idk
How would the holes impact the placement of prints on the helmet?
Everything seems fine except for the fives markings and a simple in comparison looking triangle for the 212th trooper too..
Never seen how they do these figures so idk..
But if I could undo only one of the two issues it would definitely be the prints
@@AlexDeBremaI’m not a LEGO insider, so I don’t know exactly how the new plastic bits interfere with the printing, I’d imagine it has to do with the machine now having to deal with a wider and more warped helmet.
But in any case, i think you should look again. These new print issues only arose with the new helmets, and every new Phase II helmet print now has more distance from the center crest. Obviously for a lot of clones like Rex or Cody, you’re not going to see the difference. But it’s really noticeable on the 212th and Fives, and if you look closely at designs that also have forehead prints like the 501st and the gunners, you can see that they also are spaced farther from the center crest. It doesn’t ruin all the new designs, but if you pay attention, you can see that they ALL have a larger gap between printing and the helmet crest, and that’s just simply not coincidental.
As some comments pointed out, Mr productions really should try not to sound like an entitled guy when complaining about everything. Because, as is, most of the toxic people that act like this probably are the same who like mr productions (NO HATE TO RYAN , JUST AN OPINION). I do agree with some things he says in general, but he really should try to say things in a more mature way, so theres not as many toxic idiots as there are. Obviously, there would still be some, but not nearly as much as there is now.
Bruh im just happy to have lots of Lego clone Trooper
I like the helmet holes becouse you can customize your clone troopers. Thats it.
I watched that Cosmonaut video. I really enjoyed it. I like both of your channels. You both make really good video essay-like videos.
To tell you the truth I fell out of Lego because the modern sets are to expensive and lame don't try to change my mind.
I saw the helmet holes in person for the first time yesterday and it is completely blown out of proportion. Is it inaccurate? sure. Does it matter? Not to me personally. I could see how some people might find it to be a bigger problem though
I agree with the anti-helmet community that helmet holes suck, and I honestly can't see why anyone would like them as they are now. Now when I say helmet holes, I just want to clarify, its specifically the placement of them that ticks me off. However, I definitely think people can disagree while being respectful. All of the Lego youtubers that I watch are pretty good with this (to my knowledge).
The placement is needed for the macros and visors (these should get an upgrade), but they should definitely fix the placement for characters who would only use a range finder (these also kinda need an upgrade imo)
@@definitely_just_floating Yeah. Ideally, Lego should just move the helmet hole down a little bit, and then make new molds for the visors so that they would fit. They also need to make the range finders a little bit thinner IMO, because they look kind of funny sticking out that far.
@@definitely_just_floatingthey are not needed; LEGO can and should make new Phase II accessories that would fit their canonical placement
@@kaleb749 At some point accuracy and playability meet a crossroads where one has to suffer. If 2 out of 3 accessories look fine (which even the antennas aren't much of an issue) then accuracy is gonna suffer. If you value accuracy more, then there are plenty of Hasbro figures and vehicles to go around (I say that as a Hasbro collector myself).
@@awesomefez6959there is no reason for this to be one of those crossroads, LEGO has had no problem incorporating the playability of clone accessories and the accuracy of good holes placement in Phase I clones AND Mandalorians.
The reality is the only thing stopping LEGO from doing both is the money of fixing their mistake with yet another Phase II helmet redesign in addition to brand new Phase II accessories. LEGO has no problem sparing this expense for things like the updated Vader helmet, so I see no reason a billion dollar gross profit company that is only growing needs to skimp on the design of a central army faction for its motst popular IP theme
Most clones aren’t accessorized, and the antennas don’t look fine, they look virtually the same as accessory-less clones and it’s weird how much farther up the antenna sits on them, it really is quite tall. Also, I don’t collect Hasbro and don’t intend to because I don’t like accurate representations of Star Wars characters: I like accurate representations of Star Wars characters within Lego’s style. The accuracy i ask for is only accuracy LEGO had as its own previous standards.
I honestly remember back in 2021 when the lego star wars community was not toxic and all us clone wars fans only had the 2020 501st battle packs to work with. I feel like clones have gotten better since 2020 because of customization and lego putting out better clone wars sets but it feels like the community is being too negative to lego while lego is putting much more work into making new clone sets. But I agree with both sides. I do think lego could be putting more effort into some printing. But I think lego does care about their fans. I have been to the lego store multiple times and the employees there are amazing people. I just think we should all learn to be civil and respect eachothers opinions. Anyways sorry for this insanely long comment. I have been with this community since 2020 and I just have a lot to say. I still like ryans vids and I don’t agree with some of his takes.
This is a great comment, exactly the kind I want to see more of.
I don't care about the helmet holes. I just think Lego Star Wars is cool.
1.- It's okay to like/dislike Helmet Holes!
2.- There are some "influencers" that promote the hate on both sides!
3.- It's Really Pathetic to dislike someone because of some tiny holes on a minifig helmet!
It's absolutely fair play to make fun of the hole whingers
I too absolutely hate the helmet hole discussion. By the way, thanks for putting my meme in the vid. 😆 0:27
Edit: also thx for summarizing the drama in such a good manner.
Dude what 😭he’s categorizing you as part of the problem
@@kaleb749 I was talking about the discussion as a whole, it’s ridiculous. Yet somehow that went a few thousand kilometers over your head. 🙄😑
I recently got a Commander Gree in the mail and had an idea: only the characters who need the helmet holes should get them. Otherwise, regular clones/any lead who don't have a visor/antenna should get regular helmets.
No like mando helmets also have holes and phase 1 clone helmets also so why u complaining
@@skyethepanda7216 omg dude, yes Mando and Phase I had helmet holes, why do you think no one complained about it then? It’s because you can’t even tell they exist from the front, it’s perfectly placed on the helmet. Phase II should also have them placed right, and make Phase II accessories do those fit it right, like they already did with Phase I back in 2007
@@kaleb749 Maybe complain about the nob on top of Mace Windu's head too? 🤣
Sir another hole has hit the helmet
Oh gosh. 😂😂
I completely understand the problem here, and I do think that everyone should calm down, but I can’t be upset about it, because I’m just happy to have what we’re getting nowadays, considering there was a time where things like what we have now seemed like nothing more than a fantasy.
Thereʻs dots on the sides of the helmets that would make for good helmet holes. (Theyʻre right underneath the current helmet holes.)
Yeah I agree, it's ridiculous that people go nuts about a change on a I remind you, " children's toy" I personally like the helmet holes, they give you a good base to customize your clones, and they did put the holes where they are so that the visors look accurate, the straight visors wouldn't fit if the holes were lower in the helmet and those visors would look stupid.
Why does everyone assume that only Phase I accessories can be used? LEGO could put the holes correctly in the Phase II helmets and make accessories that fit in them right, just like they did back in 2007 with Phase I.
@@kaleb749 im not assuming. I have pahse 1 and phase 2 clones. The visors are exactly the same from phase one and phase two clones. Im just saying in my comment that they would have to make new visors with an angle in it which would look stupid and inaccurate. So I understand why the holes on a phase 2 are where they are. Or what did you mean with assuming friend?
@@tobiaswehner6836I thought you were referring to how a phase I accessory would sit on a correctly holed Phase II helmet, but maybe you’re not? I’m confused what you mean because the Phase I and Phase II visors are actually relatively identical in how much they angle and sit on the canonical helmet, it’s the wide bar to the helmet that changes length.
What I’m saying is that LEGO can have a similar connection from the visor to the hole, BUT the visor’s peg won’t be the top of the visor. If you look up Clone Army Custom’s Phase II Cody and imagine it still has a plastic connection into the hole beneath how CAC connects the visor, you might be able to see what I mean. Id show you with photo editing, but I don’t think RUclips allows links
@@kaleb749 yeah that's what I mean that the visors are the same, and I know what you mean, I have a custom Cody and he has the helmet holes where alot of people say the holes should be and because of that the custom maker used a visor that has an angle on the end to fit the different location of the holes in relation to where the eye/mask seeing cover is, the black on the face, and that's what I mean, lego made the holes where they are on phase 2, to use the old visor mold from the phase 1s ad I think that's good because those visors look more accurate than the ones from the custom company I have my Cody from.
@@tobiaswehner6836ok, well while that’s kinda accurate for a figure like Cody, the vast majority of clones are not visor clones, and my solution would give the appearance of it being accurate for visor clones while making EVERY clone accurate
They don’t look good and I just wish they would line them up properly. I think the “children’s toy” thing is a stupid argument. No one is spending the money that many clones are found in nowadays for a children’s toy.
i mean it is good for customisation but when you're not customising they can get annoying, but lego can't dictate whether you're gonna customise your minifigures or not
I hear a lot of people say that it’s not the holes that the problem it’s wonky printing. I haven’t noticed any problems with printing other than the 212th. I think people are now just creating problems.
5s the gunner as well and the new 501 battle pack and Cody
Idk it is pretty funny when a grown ass man cries over a minifigure
You're exactly the kind of person I'm addressing in this video. Comments like these ARE the problem I'm talking about. Maybe MandR needs to chill out or grow up a little or whatever, but to me it looks like you're in that same boat.
@crazydog1750 I'm allowed to find something funny, you can act high and mighty about this but it's not that deep. Lego fans take things way too seriously, especially Lego Star Wars fans. If helmet holes is all it takes to sour your mood then there's a legitimate problem and that person needs to seek professional help
@@someguy475 You can find something funny, sure. I don't mind that. And you're also allowed to dislike an aspect of a product you enjoy and not need to seek "professional help." I'm saying that being rude and insulting is what the problem is here. It's so unnecessary. Whether that's toning it down on how much you dislike helmet holes or toning it down on how much you dislike those who dislike helmet holes, the anger and superiority complexes need to stop.
@crazydog1750 Never said nobody is allowed to not dislike them, I understand where some of them are coming from. The old helmet holes on the Clone Wars sets were less noticeable. I just personally think the people who act like the new helmet holes are the end of the world are overreacting and need to stop taking small plastic dudes so seriously
@@someguy475 And that is the kind of comment that I’m hoping for more of. No anger, no name-calling, just a polite statement of opinion.
I think they look off when with older helmets that don’t have the holes but with their fellow kind they look fine
I think lego was at its best in the 2000s when they were focusing on making lego sets and not display pieces
I honestly thought the Lego Star Wars community was a more peaceful place compared to the main Star Wars community, but I was wrong, I'm really pleased with the holes in the helmet as I was over 10 years from Lego introducing this from when they introduced the P2 model in Lego in 2013 but that's not everyone Being satisfied but doing what Lego is not a perfect company, as it cannot please everyone
It is really simple though. Want something dead on accurate to the source material that looks like the figure just popped off the screen go buy a collectible figure. I got a bunch of Black series figures from Hasbro.
If you enjoy lego, enjoy lego. This discussion about helmet holes and what not is like having a melt down because the roof of your lego car has studs... It is a buildable toy. Made for kids. For all I care a kid mixes up a Clone trooper with an Imperial storm trooper because he thinks they look cool. Meanwhile a SW fanatic has a meltdown that the pants do not look right! I bet these haters are great parents. Telling their kids everything they "made up" is wrong to the canon of the SW lore...
The idea of helmet holes was good, but the execution objectively sucks. Instead of drilling the holes in the proper attachment spots (although I'm pretty sure it's molded like that), they drill them a spot up so the visor doesn't cover the clone's eyes. This causes warts, holes in the helmets, and the range finders gets placed too high. Instead, just put them in the proper spot and mold a phase 2 clone visor that is placed a bit higher up on its pins and have the corners fold down a bit. This would make it more accurate.
Lego is overall a good company. They make a good product, they will go the extra mile some times, and they can make good decisions. There are just a lot of things that they have done which are fuled by greed, ignorance, or malice. For example, the gunship. Or the armorer reusing a helmet for another character making her inaccurate. Another one is how Lego stopped doing waste capes for Star Wars for no reason. Or how they don't make accurate blasters. There are also a lot more. Some of these decisions are made so Lego can increase their profit margins. Others are made because the designers just don't care about the build so they don't research the lore enough. And very few are made out of malice (mainly the gunship)
The main point in this video isn't just true to this but everything else in life. These days people are extremely retarded and don't know how to properly think and discuss stuff. The masses are extremely ignorant even though information is easily excessible. People also struggle with properly thinking and discussing things. People struggle to research stuff and review all the facts before forming a stance on things. They are lazy and form a stance on something with doing no, or very little research. They are also extremely emotional with their thoughts. They are a slave to their emotions letting it guide them. Frontal lobe thinking is not a good thing.
Also very few people actually know how to argue. They usually get very heated very quick when met with disagreement; They are usually stubborn and dumb which those 2 are a poor combination; They are usually bad at explaining and conveying their thoughts; They don't know logic and logical fallicies; They also give up when met with repeated proper opposition to their points.
I don't mind either way. I like the helmet holes so I can add accessories. But not all minifigs need accessories 🤷♂️. It's just the way it is, whining from both sides won't change anything.
I used to not mind helmet holes, but then i realized that the printing was messed up in their helmets, but i really like customizing so its tough
I really dont get it. Fans have been wanting Phase 2 Cody for a while, but we didnt get it for a while. When Lego finally added helmet holes to phase two clones, around 2 decades after their release, so we can finally get cody, and other characters that use visors, fans start complaining. I dont think people get that you cant really have characters like cody and fox without the holes, so if you dont want the holes, that means you dont want the character. Not trying to put out hate, im just saying! Nice vid btw.
Oh my fucking god guys its a toy for children. the reason why they are in the clones is because the target audience probably doesnt care that they wouldnt look good in pictures. I hate the current attitude of lego star wars fans. lego is not making toys for you. they are making them for kids. complaints about ucs sets i totally am for. if you pay for ultimate you should get ultimate. but like come on guys with this. its lego.
I mean, about the Lego intentionally making things bad has some backing behind it. Just look at the Fox figure, the quality on that thing is horrendous and the huge inaccurate of half his torso being the wrong colour is not only extremely obvious to anyone who’s not brainless but it would’ve literally have been cheaper to make it correct
His mockery of the first 1999 SW range criticising its accuracy and expressing the opinion Lego should have waited a few years till they had better pieces tells me that on a very fundamental level he does not understand what Lego is or does.
Personally I like helmet holes. While it does suck that they aren’t in the correct place, it is a minor issue that doesn’t detract from them too much, and I really like the added customisation that was previously exclusive to P1 troopers.
also Lego please give us a Jedi battlepack please
Agree overall. Only point i disagree partially on is lego hating it's fans. While i don't think they activly hate them i do think they havw tremendous contempt for the star wars fans in particular which you can see based on how many more figures the qualiry of the figures and the ratio of printing vs stickers and the amount if custom molds thst almost every other major line has. It just feels like lego thinks star wars fans will buy anything so they don't put as much effort into the star wars line as others. The helmet holes are a good example of that.
I don't mind the helmet holes because they let me attach extras to helmets, but I do get the complaints. This whole issue has gotten out of hand, I don't think the rampant arguing helps anyone in this community. It's nice to see a cooler head in this whole debacle instead of the frothing at the mouth that some people have.
Lego fans complaining about everything else But the Outrageous Prices💀
I just don’t give a shit about the holes lol like I don’t care I sometimes usually forget them I don’t hate them but I don’t really like them
I kept writing that I love Helmet holes Just to see People reactions, quite funny on how some can be that agressive for such a small thing, I really don't care if they are there or not, at the end of the day I am more interested in the builds
It is true that LEGO hate prequel fans but they also hate DC fans
(I miss the 2012 JL era so bad)
I'm the maniac that takes minifigure parts and creates new minifigs out of them, so I love the helmet holes, but I can definitely see why some are upset
Oh my god I like legos but y’all should’ve been called nerds in school because of y’all’s fighting over a kids toy
I can’t believe people are even still talking about helmet holes, it’s been almost 2 years. This video should have had to be made 😵
They did helmet holes in the most lazy way possible they just slapped them on every single clone since the atte even when the clones don’t need them like in the barc speeder chase
Tbh I dont care its literally a lego minifigure its not like its a replica or a hot toys figure 😂
the main issue I take with anti helmet hole people is a lot of the big names in the discussion come off as if they're trying to squeeze money out of their fans it's never "this clone has helmet hole if you don't like it here's some recommendations on how to fix it" it's almost always "this clone has helmet holes if you don't like it I have custom parts on my store that I say for very high prices, trust me this is a big issue that lego must fix" and too many people just seem to blindly follow, it's reached a point where any tiny inaccuracy in clones (notice how it's always clones rarely anything else) gets blown up into this massive issue that you must spend more money to fix which at that point I think they should just move onto buying action figures if they want accuracy.
If there's helmet holes it's good because you can customise your clones more (that's the entire point of the toy), if they're not there you can't and it limits the figure. They should be in the correct place but I feel like we've reached a point where if they correct it then 10+ years of specific parts won't be able to be used on the corrected helmets and parts made for those helmets won't be able to be used on other helmets that use the current parts, it would cost too much for to realistically expect Lego to create a new P2 helmet mold, new attachment molds for that helmet, while still producing the current P1 and Mando helmet alongside all the current attackments
Tbh I'm neutral towards helmet holes, but I can't help but laugh when people complain about inaccuracy. Like I'm pretty sure clone troopers don't have giant holes in their legs or claw hands either.
I'm pretty neutral on helmet holes. I agree that they look kinda bad and probably could have been handled better, but it definitely doesn't ruin the minifigures for me. I felt some people over-dramatized how bad they are. I somehow had no idea how hostile people were getting over defending them though.
I agree
I think the helmet holes are good because they allow customization options, I don’t think they look bad at all, as I barely notice them unless I am actively trying to, and I also understand that Lego would have to sacrifice a mold somewhere else for us to get both holed and unholed, which I’m not sure would be worth it.
I also get that people are allowed to have their own opinions and think that the people who are against them are valid in not liking them. I might not agree with a lot of the reasoning for disliking them (mainly that they look ugly), but you are entitled to that opinion and are valid in having it.
The problem I have with the anti-holes people is that a lot of them feel like they are complaining for the sake of complaining at this point. I’m fine with fighting for what you believe in, but at this point, it’s just getting ridiculous. A lot of them use every opportunity to complain about something that really isn’t that big a deal, and it’s just becoming too much. We get it, you don’t like them, that doesn’t mean you need to spend every waking moment complaining about it.
I can’t believe people are still crying about them 😂
I think it's nice that there are these holes because we can make clones from Battlefront II
Nope, you are nitpicking and biased, I win, bye bye
Tbh, the lego star wars Fandom became rather toxic.
I think the real discussion we should be having is that the radar antenna things are too big for the helmet. It looks goofy
Honestly dont see why it is that big of a deal sure there arent the best but there useful
I like helmet holes but I still think the 2013 style the most
I am waiting to see the argument for giving helmet holes to commander gree.
I like them i have a whole customisation box
good video i’ve been getting tired seeing of all this too
Personally, the only reason I think the “helmet hole enjoyers” crowd can be toxic is because from what I’ve personally seen, the people who dislike them are both some of the biggest LSW content creators, and are even more toxic then the enjoyers. Also, I feel like the “enjoyers” don’t even really care, but think it’s funny/pretty pathetic that so many people care enough to complain about an aspect that, objectively, is the smallest issue to have with a lego mold/figure
I’d say that’s a reasonable take. The creators you’re referring to do have a tendency to overblow things, and I have a tendency to think that people online are meaner than they probably actually are. 😂
My family was hit hard by 2008
0:25/2:12 Hater and Enjoyer
I hate the helmet holes because of him ngl
Yeah I do agree with this, the people hating on Ryan are more insufferable than his, actually very few, big stans. Yeah he can be pretty over the top sometimes but tbh he is correct about most things objectively lol
The ones that made their way into this comment section are especially bad. 😬
All from one baby with too much entitlement to not complain when a mega company doesn’t do everything exactly the way he wants it to be 🙄
And this is precisely the type of comment I’m talking about. Rude name-calling doesn’t help anybody and that’s the point I desperately want to make.
It’s actually so childish
My dudes and dudettes. The holes are there to stop kids from choking on them and not being able to breath
Completely false, new LEGO heads no longer have holes and there’s no reason one specific theme’s specific character would have holes for emergency situations if 99% of LEGO minifigs don’t
The position of the holes are a bit silly but at least we finally have a way of putting attachments on phase 2 helmets so why complain?
Because the holes are a bit silly and mess with the design? And it’s 100% not necessary for them to be there?
1:32 You would be surprised how many enterprises hate the people who give them money. Some of them are even pretty big,
Some have even come out and openly state they hate their fans **stares at people in the Western Anime Localizing industry**
Yeah, Disney would be in that boat too.
Theres a hole theres a goal
HOLE IS HOLE
Plug it 😂
As a life long Star Wars fan and Lego Star Wars collector I couldn’t care less about the helmet holes, they are a toy and the more playability there is the better
On a display set then maybe I see the point but most play sets are that, play sets
Playability vs design aesthetic is a false dichotomy, LEGO did both for the Phase I (and Mando) helmets
This is why I stay far away from the LEGO Star Wars crowd, I'll stick with my wholesome LEGO Minecraft community
And any community. All fandoms, all communities are like this. I see this on everything everywhere. With clear exceptions. What I'd steer clear from is people that enact this type of toxic extremism in any hobby.
It really does get tiring to watch everyone jump to each other’s throats the first chance they get.
I proposed a compromise where instead of making a new macrobinocular mold (which they did), they could’ve instead pulled those resources to make a new visor mold that would attach at the point where the correct spot at the helmet to not morph the shape and warp the printing. On that exact video you referenced.
Yeah, I was called a man-child for proposing a well thought-out hypothetical that would please both parties. Compromise is dead.
Yeah, it’s ridiculous. And infuriating. And I am so over all the name-calling from either side.
It’s the obvious solution and what LEGO already did for Phase I. It makes it so inexplicable that these helmet hole defenders don’t see the problem or even the value in the improvement and are so invested in shit slinging over something they have 0 stake in
It’s the obvious solution and what LEGO already did for Phase I. It makes it so inexplicable that these helmet hole defenders don’t see the problem or even the value in the improvement and are so invested in shit slinging over something they have 0 stake in
It doesn’t need to stop. Fix the helmet end of story
i do think it is funny
i get you can not like helmet holed, but like, the way mandr gets mad about its at a whole other level and i think it is okay to laugh about it
like, it is just not that bad, it is not worth it to get THAT mad and his tone is terrible
i enjoy his work, he does cool vids, but he goes to far and like i get it but just let it die
making fun of that a bit is not that bad, ofc people take it a bit far and yes, that should not happen, but it is funny how much he gets mad
I feel likw you can use math to deduce if helmet holes are bad, or wrong. Let's say it's divides 50/50 for and against helmet holes, as they currently are on phase 2 clone troopers. Most Clones produced by lego are unnamed characters so let's see. In a world where there are no helmet holes one side is satisfied and the other is not. In a world where there are it is the other way around. What is the difference? If there are no holes, the people who are dissatisfied get a nicer looking figure than the other way around. So in conclusion I think no helmet holes is better, as in such a case the product looks better, than in the case where there are holes. Also side note. If Lego says that they add helmet holes, to add "customization" to their clones, why are they not adding accessories to the sets like the battle pack. Personally I don't like the holes. They make the shape of the helmet look to much like a square and if you have the old mold it makes it look even worse. Also I don't know why, but eversince that new mold was added the printing was messed up on the clones' helmets.
Thing is, taking one over the other isn’t necessary. Why is it impossible to have both accessories and good design when Phase I and Mandos did it? It’s a false dichotomy that LEGO could easily get rid of by owning up to their repeated mistake and just creating a Phase II accessory pack so they can put the holes and accessories in the right place
@@kaleb749 True. Unfortunately this whole situation probably could've been avoided if Lego planned ahead when making the Phase I design. They made it so that it matched the Phase I helmet, without taking into consideration how it would fit on a phase II one.
@@hubertwaliszewski5740 yeah the lack of planning ahead is so wild, like it’s not just this helmet, why did they release the other new Phase II that couldn’t do accessories in the first place 😭
I just don’t get how it blew up to this bad in the first place. Yeah it’s not a great spot to put the holes when that little circular spot is right underneath where the helmet hole already goes, but the ability to get some use out of the extra helmet attachments and sortve kitbash your own oc clone troopers. It’s a play pattern, it seems like most forget LEGO are toy designers as well as manufacturers. They put helmet holes on phase 2 helmets w/this in mind. They knew that kids who may have watched clone wars and gets a LEGO Star Wars kit w/ a clone trooper or two would maybe wanna customize one of the troopers into their own character. Not everyone wants to army build a gajillion troopers to stand on grey baseplates for army showcase videos. LEGO is a children’s product first and foremost, yes they create 18+ collector style sets and most play sets do have more accuracies that only collectors are realistically going to care about, but helmet holes aren’t that, they’re purely one of functionality. It’s future proofing as well as giving themselves the ability to do named clone troopers like Rex, fives, Cody, fox, etc. I don’t think they’re great for the integration of it, but I understand why theyre there, and if I ever really dislike how they look I can just buy a few third party helmets to remedy the situation.