*HEY EVERYBODY!! Something I failed to mention in the video: Grand Design has a rather uncommon policy in which dealers CANNOT publish pricing for basically anything except MSRP on new/current models. So if you check the link in the description, then it will let you know where we have GD inventory in stock. But unfortunately we're forced to ask you to contact our local teams for pricing due to MFG agreements. Sorry about that. It's not how I like to do things but I don't really have any say in the matter!* _-Josh the RV Nerd_
Might want to pin this at the top, if you can. Put it in the description, or something too? To avoid 4 gazzillion questions and issues. Yes, that is a number ! lol
*Apparently moving too quickly has struck again. What I have listed as “hitch weight” in the video is the cargo weight. Actual hitch weight is only about 640lbs empty. Sorry everyone!* _-Josh_
I figured it was a typo or it was hiding a Happy Camper HC1 in the pass through storage.....lol. Thanks again Sir for all the infotainment you provide.
We got our Grand Design Imagine 22MLE at the end of May last year. It was our first RV and we absolutely love it! It's just my husband and I and is perfect. We never feel like we're cramped for space. Also, in case no one else mentioned it, it does come with the roller dish drain. I have watched you for a long time and and now so happy you can talk about Grand Design. They are a quality company. Thanks for reviewing this one!!
Thanks for your review! It is encouraging to read, we are about to buy our first one too, a bunk house model so grandkids can come along. I really loved the quality materials when I saw this in person, the BHE21. My husband never has towed a trailer before and did not want a giant rig, so we had to negotiate and I feel this make and model gives us both features we want without disappointment.
This is one of my favorite floor plans from Grand Design travel trailers. Although I don't care for the schwintek slide for a slide this big. Everything else on this model is a winner.
Hey Josh!! We want to give you a HUGE THANK YOU for this video and all the other similar rv videos! A major help in deciding what we want! Today we purchased a 2023 XLS 22MLE!!! NEW! We can't wait to go camping!! Don't stop your videos! Sincerely, Lorne and Dayna!!
First, I'm really glad that my one and only RV nerd was able to do a review video on a 22MLE. This is the floor plan I love. You did a great job as usual. But, when Cougar finally put their mark on it with the 22MLS I was blown away. King bed, kitchen sink placement so you have more countertop access, hot/cold TESTED, bathroom window and the better roof and height of the cougar. $$$ if I'm doing it....you get what you pay for. Again, thank you for doing the video.
That just looks handy! Josh you’re absolutely nailing your videos, I hope bish’s realizes. Thank you for sharing all the insights, keep up the good work!
We just picked up ours in December, can't wait for spring. We also looked at the Cougar 22MLS and liked it as well, but, even though it had power jacks and 2 30# propane tanks vs. the 22MLEs 20# tanks, we thought the GD had a better overall fit n finish. Thx for another great review.
This Grand Design really grabs you! We looked at the Couger, and almost was set on Coahmen Apex BHS245, it was so pretty! But felt wobbly and I didn't think the bath looked as great as grand design. I had a notebook and wrote observations in person touring them all, and GD won on everything that matters to me!
I just saw the camper today. It truely is very cool, especially with the well designed & very attractive kitchen. One "typo" in you RUclips script... the Solar package with the charge controller was not a 50, but 25. The box under the bed was a lost opportunity to have 2 drawers! It would be my first mod! I get why the Bath is so tiny because if it were larger, you'd lose the pantry. However, it does meet minimally functional for a 6'+ 230lbs guy. Cheers, Eric
Just walked thru this one at my local dealer, and you're spot on Josh -- it has HUGE feel inside for being so light on the #s. RoadMode awesome! Somebody won't like the bath next to the kitchen. Vids cannot show fit & finish, and its good. Massage & heated loungers are silly luxury IMO. The central controls behind tinted glass is GENIUS -- some idiots aim the controls lights right! at! the! bed! I did not know GD ships with MPPT 50Amp charge controller. Much better than the cheapo PWM 15A in others. I'm seriously considering on the GDs now ... they are a few grand more but nothings free. Final prep & PDI at GD is better than you-know-who SweatShops. There are even better fit & finish than GDs but the price really jumps to buy them. Thank you for adding them to your tours!
The Imagine is four-seasons and laminated slide walls. The cabinets are made from poplar which is a hardwood but light weight. They in my opinion are one of the best.
* Hitch weight confusion - Hitch weight is listed around 500-600 lbs.* This is a really nice year round weekender!! Space to be comfy but not excessive. Fancy but not over the top. Everything you need, nothing you don't! I really like the shoe storage cubby and the 12v fridge with the solar! For a weekender, I don't have any dislikes honestly. I'm sure people are going to want a king bed but the space to walk around the bed as well as the extra storage is worth having the queen in my opinion. Nice detailed video Uncle Josh! 🤠
Love this floorplan! It was number 2 one my list. Ended up ordering a Mini Lite 2507s instead for the following reasons: 1) 2507s Bathroom size 2) 2507s Overall storage layout 3) 2507s outdoor kitchen 4) 2507s U dinette
Josh, there is a rollaway dish dryer. The 22RBE that we have has the bathroom on one end and the bedroom on the other. Both have sliding barn doors instead of a traditional door. Plenty of room in the bathroom.
We have a 2021 22MLE. Hubby 6'3, me 5'10. We both use C-PAP. Cubbies next to the bed, awesome. This TT is Perfect for us. I have solo traveled several times, never had any issues. Long trips or short trips, we love IMA. Thanks for showcasing this TT. From cold, snowy Kansas. Love This Channel.
Really like that floor plan. I’d probably go with the more budget friendly Sundance 231ML. And Josh, it looks as if you might be enjoying being able to film in those show rooms as opposed to the snow and ice.
Great video Uncle Josh but for me the Cougar 22MLS wins for me. King bed that is not surrounded like a sleeping in a coffin. Better dinette options. Better bathroom. Warranty for full time use. Just my opinions. Thanks again for sharing this cool trailer with the Nerd herd.
We had this camper until someone totaled it for us in a hit and run. It was fantastic. We never had any issues and towed it all around the country. The build quality was excellent.
The only thing that I would prefer to see instead of the dinette is a traditional entertainment center with a TV and electric fireplace across from the theater seating, otherwise this is an awesome couple’s camper👍
And that’s a great choice. If my videos have been helpful, then, would it be out of the question to ask you to drop me a quick review at g.page/r/CdPcitNVx2nDEAg/review
First off I wanted to thank you Josh for your videos they helped us a lot last year while looking for a TT. We like the floor plan for the 22 mle but feel in love with the cougar 22 mls, feels much larger. Please before you buy do walk thru of both!!
Toterhome! Another great addition to the definictionary. 👍 If I were to get a couples camper, I really think I’d prefer a king bed. I also noticed a lack of outdoor camp kitchen. 👎 On the plus side, it looks good, nicely done. I do like the privacy door for the bathroom with that cutout. That’s pretty cool.
I nearly bought one of these and I won't rule it out later. The OSB and some of the recently reported roof quality issues give me some pause. I like the 12v fridge and solar setup. This is my favorite layout for a couples trailer. MSRP hikes are creating a value vs price issue.
Just watched the Rockwood factory tour and really looking forward to a Grand Design factory tour ;) We bought the 22MLE in Jan and have had it out 5 times this summer, so far with a few more trips planned. We have been pop-up campers for 25+ years and finally (kids in college) bought the perfect couples camper. I can say you brought up a few good points about the small toilet area (I am 6' 240lbs) but it is usable. The plugs being under the cabinets are not as much as an issue as we thought and there are 3 in the walls buy the beds sides and the table. Like you said for 5200lb TT it feels big inside and that's why we picked this one. We did have the two kids stay with us a weekend one on the table and one on a blowup mattress in front of the stove/fridge. It was tight but doable for a weekend ;) Great storage and it pulls perfectly behind my 2012 F150 eco boost. We did look at the Cougar but still liked this one better.
Josh, love your videos with the detail they go into and especially the road mode sections. We're shopping for our first RV and your reviews are helping us narrow down our search (and expand it at the same time). With the lack of a bedroom door on this model it would seem that it would be awesome if it had a murphy bed so that the bedroom would become part of the living area during the day. Then it really could be a large couples RV in a small footprint.
I've had a few folks mention something similar. I think they left the bed "down" since it already has both a sofa and a dinette but I don't dislike the idea.
No, we don’t want to Jack with a bed every day. This is the way you want it !!! Things are more pleasant if they have their own place. All the Murphy beds are camper queens, try getting sheets for them. Some fold in the middle of the mattress, very uncomfortable to sleep on
Hi Josh! This is a great travel trailer option for a couple!! Thank you very much for sharing it. Our Outdoors RV 22FQS is exactly what you described.....it is only a dinette rig. As we begin using our rig, I have always thought there will be a time that we regret not having a couch or theater seating for those days that it isn't pleasant to be outside. And, our rig is actually a few inches longer than this one. This model has an awesome "wrap over the bed" drawers and shelving! I like it. That kitchen storage is awesome too! Great full access too when the slide out is in!! If we didn't live in CO and want to use our trailer all year (as well as mostly off road), this would be an awesome alternate!! Safe travels!!
When the time comes, if I can pull a 2670MK, I'll buy that. Great trailer! If I can't, the 23LDE is amazing for its size! Has great storage. Three places you need storage, bedroom for clothes, bathroom for towels, and kitchen. Those two trailers perform amazingly well in that aspect. And in counter space.
8:20 This is one of my favorite travel trailer layouts, no matter who does it, as you told us there are several. (Makes it so hard to choose! 😉) So far I only wish the TV were a bit larger (my eyes are getting elderly at 46 years old😂🤦🏻♀️) and that the kitchen was white like the Spirit 22MD. It makes it look so clean when the cabinets are super light. But I still love this one. Thanks for doing such thorough videos. I’m loving window shopping
That’s a real beaut of a light trailer. It seems to have every necessary feature plus “storage galorage” as you put it. Decent shower but that toilet space is tight, as you also pointed out. And OTG package would be really nice.
This one and the Imagine XLS 22RBE are the 2 main candidates I'm looking at for our 1st RV for my wife and our dogs to pull behind our existing Silverado 1500. I look at so many others and these 2 keep winning out for what we're looking for.
@@JoshtheRVNerd The RBE switches out the bedroom curtain for a wall, which is a deciding feature when my wife tours trailers. And we don't really need the dinette ourselves.
Lol, 'Thanks Nerd', I love your vids, it's always informative but fun and funny. I'd love to see a trailer that is good in the cold like Michigan AND the heat like Arizona. I'm looking for a good year long unit too live in.
We have this one and yes no trash can space in the kitchen is a pain but does have a nice open area under the bathroom sink. Really happy with our choice.
We've looked at just about every brand of camper trying to find the best for the amount of money spent, Grand Design in my opinion is the best of the best, Well built and usually have only seen good reviews
Glad you can show a Grand Design one of my favorite companies. I like the camper except for the open bed concept. We like the Transcend 240ml which is similar except private bedroom. Also like the passport 229rk if you ever have the chance to show those would love it.Thanks for the video Josh
@@JoshtheRVNerd 2022 Cougar 24SABWE pulled it 9 hours south back to the sun. Needed that Zero Rating for the first night in Utah, lovin' it. Justin, Dave, Pepe, the parts guys, the prep guys, the woman at the front door desk, everyone was awesome. Working on my yelp review for them.
The Grand Design has the edge for me over the cougar because of the bedroom storage... I know you move from a king to a queen to get it, but I think those extra drawers are worth it. I do like the glass door in the shower on the cougar and I'd like to see drawers under the bed and dinette to better access the storage there. I would love to see Rockwood do this layout... oh and Grand Design should add a front cap to the xls... I also like the vaulted ceiling in the cougar but again, the drawer space in the bedroom trumps it. Thanks for the reviews!
@@JoshtheRVNerd it would be great to see a head to head… I’m interested in things like the walkable roof and quality… solar packages, etc…. All the unseen stuff…. If cougar did a queen with similar drawers I’d go with it …. It’s a tough call.
We have that same model 2021 and we do love it. Great reviews Josh. And I do HATE THE OUTLET LOCATIONS but thank you for explaining why maybe now I won’t bitch trying to plug in the coffee maker when hungover 🤕😂
Great video as usual! Btw. " Toterhome": usually a big truck chassis with basic loving quarters. Usually used to pull huge enclosed race or cargo cargo trailers.
@@JoshtheRVNerd As a Project Manager I had a little sign up that said "if you find the software error during testing then it was not an error just testing". Tried to keep the programming errors from affecting customers. Proof reading in college helped me many times over the years.
Josh, EXCELLENT video as usual. Very nice floor plan, but can't wait for you to compare/contrast this against the XLS 22RBE. Also looking for your reviews of a Premier 23RBPR and an Outdoors Creekside 22RBS.
We have a 2500RL and the bedroom is similar and the storage is great! We use the cubby to store our sleep number mattress air pump! Works great. We love our Grand Design Imagine so cool to see you doing videos on this company now too. 👍🏻😊 Favorite RV guy.
Really nice floor plan and finishes! I really like the kitchen layout. I wonder if another solution for the electrical outlets would be the power tower option. Of course you know I love the 60x80 true Queen bed and they did a really good job with storage around the bed. Better than I think any camper of that size has done. The bathroom has good space and I like the low entry, rectangular shower. A really nice unit!
Thanks Josh for the great video. I know you did a video on the cougar that has the same layout. If you'd have to choose between the two witch one would you go with and why. Both seem to be very nice.. Thank you so much for everything and keep up the amazing work..
It’s a super tight race. Both are the best of anyone that makes this layout in my estimation. I would personally give the nod to cougar for some very small reasons. Bigger bed space is nice. Tank heaters give me peace of mind. And they have better solar package options.
Nice-looking trailer, but I have to say I prefer the Cougar 22MLS. Thanks for always listing the specs at the beginning of your videos. I think there is an oopsie on this one. I believe the hitch weight listed is the cargo capacity. The 22 MLS was at the top of our list till we saw the Embers.
Great videos Josh!! You've been our go to! ..our top 3.. GD Imagine 22mle, Cougar 22mls and Flagstaff 22bds. GD has won it for us! Didn't like floor vents and corner shower In Cougar.. it sure was pretty though! Flagstaff sofa was ok... but theater seating was nicer in GD... and no "neck wrecker" situation. Will miss the outdoor kitchen though... wish you were in CA, .. you deserve the sale!
I don't personally work in sales but you may consider reaching out to our Idaho locations to see what they could do for you. This was just over in Twin Falls and we can always deliver! At the very least I'd really appreciate it if you could drop my name in a quick review at bit.ly/3NP933u in return for the efforts if they've been beneficial to you!
You're going to get spoiled Josh, getting to film in a heated weather protected arena. But if you can't win the lottery, you might as well be spoiled 😁. I hope you get to bring the family on a couple of these outings to other states.
Grand Design stands behind their RV's.. great customer service. (Some others too..) At the end of the day, that is all that really matters. ALL RV's will eventually break or wear. How the company handles that, is what matters.
Nice plan Josh. Don't like front windshield above bed so this is perfect. Great bathroom, kitchen layout! No Floor Vents Rocks! Only suggestion is to have 55 gals of fresh water - that should be the standard for all campers! The toe stubbing slide in front of the stovetop is not ideal.
We purchase a 2023 version of this floorplan and there have been some changes to the decor so thought I would post them here. To us they have helped update the look of the trailer quite a bit. GD has gone to oiled rubbed bronze for all of the cabinet hardware and plumbing fixtures. The shiny chrome (?) inlay in the trim is now black or a color close to it. The slide toe kick trim is now black or a color close to it. The vent and fridge are now black. They have changed the pleather on the back of the dinette seating to a wood product that matches the grain pattern and color of the cabinets. There is no option for a factory installed inverter. The delivered dry weight (from sticker) was a little over 200 lbs heavier than the published dry weight.
Hey Josh ... Why is the hitch weight on this camper so heavy at 1620 lbs? Even at it's max weight of 6995 lbs x 20% is only 1399 lbs. Just curious why it's so heavy at the hitch. Thanks!
excellent.... totally usable with slide in if you want to.... or have to for some reason, nothing i do not like, only thing i might do different, put a bar with chairs facing window to eat at, possibly with flip up or pull out extention if needed like some have, a bit more desk like. but is ok as it is.
I am glad that you are reviewing the Grand Design lineup. I hope that you will do a review of the Imagine 2400bh. I am interested to hear your thoughts on it compared to a Freedom Express 257bhs. Thanks Josh.
"Please do not use" on the toilet brings back a childhood memory of shopping for an rv for my grandma in the 90s. We walked through so many RVs, and I had to pee, so when I saw the bathroom, I just peed in the toilet, never once considering I wasn't supposed to lol. On a completely different note, have you seen the Sabre 37FLL? Can you review it? I love that double loft setup! I wish more 5th wheels would do that, because my RV lot slopes towards the back, which on a travel/destination trailer, I'd have to jack the back way up to be level. However, I do wish it came in a shorter layout, because of the
I have always liked the GD units with this euro style cabinetry, but until now, they didn't offer 12v refrigerators or solid steps. At least they are halfway there with this model. Feels really open, even on camera.
Love that Floor Plan. According to Grand Design Owners Forum and other RUclips Channels there was a problem with Roof Membrane being loose on delivery. Has that problem been addressed by the factory ? Wish Plywood was used (like Jayco).
No one mentioned the major issues about the frame and pieces falling off. 2020 late models to the 2023. They have recalls and class action sites against them.
This is great!! Thank you. My wife and I are looking at the 2670MK or the 2800BH. A review with your thoughts on either one or both would be fantastic! We are in IA and will definitely be looking at Bish’s first because of you.
Is the fridge powered by one source? 12 volt only? Not sure if I like that. Not a fan of front hookups when most campsites have their utilities in the back. Thanks for your review.
Probably for nothing, but I do have a problem with the bathroom being adjacent to the food prep area. It is a show stopper for me. There are enough options so I can just move on to one of those.
I looked at this model yesterday and fell in love with it. I do wish it had an electric/propane frig though. My husband really wants that. Me not so much.
Do you park camp or dry camp more often? If park camping, then I feel strongly that 12v fridge is hands-down the superior option for you. If dry camping, then you'll want about 200w of solar to offset a 12v fridge at least (more being better).
@@JoshtheRVNerd We've only park camped. I think my husband may be thinking of keeping frig stuff cool while traveling and should we lose electricity at home for an extended period and having to use the trailer to stay in. Thanks for your input!
And in considering this model should we be concerned about the Schwintek slide system. I'm wondering if the problem with the recall was corrected on 22 models available and/or if proper use of the slide is more the problem. Any help with this aspect would be appreciated!
*HEY EVERYBODY!! Something I failed to mention in the video: Grand Design has a rather uncommon policy in which dealers CANNOT publish pricing for basically anything except MSRP on new/current models. So if you check the link in the description, then it will let you know where we have GD inventory in stock. But unfortunately we're forced to ask you to contact our local teams for pricing due to MFG agreements. Sorry about that. It's not how I like to do things but I don't really have any say in the matter!*
_-Josh the RV Nerd_
Might want to pin this at the top, if you can. Put it in the description, or something too? To avoid 4 gazzillion questions and issues. Yes, that is a number ! lol
@@iamwhatiam4075 Meant to do that. TY for the catch/reminder!
@@JoshtheRVNerd YW. Glad to be of assistance. :)
Ready to write you a check, (no BS) contact me.
@@arlenewolf5260 RUclips doesn’t give us a way to reach out to you unfortunately. I can only ask you to contact our team at www.bishs.com/contact/
*Apparently moving too quickly has struck again. What I have listed as “hitch weight” in the video is the cargo weight. Actual hitch weight is only about 640lbs empty. Sorry everyone!*
_-Josh_
Thank you for the correction!
I figured it was a typo or it was hiding a Happy Camper HC1 in the pass through storage.....lol. Thanks again Sir for all the infotainment you provide.
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We got our Grand Design Imagine 22MLE at the end of May last year. It was our first RV and we absolutely love it! It's just my husband and I and is perfect. We never feel like we're cramped for space. Also, in case no one else mentioned it, it does come with the roller dish drain. I have watched you for a long time and and now so happy you can talk about Grand Design. They are a quality company. Thanks for reviewing this one!!
Ty Lois! Love feedback from actual owners
Thanks for your review! It is encouraging to read, we are about to buy our first one too, a bunk house model so grandkids can come along. I really loved the quality materials when I saw this in person, the BHE21. My husband never has towed a trailer before and did not want a giant rig, so we had to negotiate and I feel this make and model gives us both features we want without disappointment.
This is one of my favorite floor plans from Grand Design travel trailers. Although I don't care for the schwintek slide for a slide this big. Everything else on this model is a winner.
Hey Josh!! We want to give you a HUGE THANK YOU for this video and all the other similar rv videos! A major help in deciding what we want! Today we purchased a 2023 XLS 22MLE!!! NEW! We can't wait to go camping!! Don't stop your videos! Sincerely, Lorne and Dayna!!
That's a smart smart layout. Pretty much no wasted space and it still manages to feel open and airy.
Yeah they nailed it pretty nicely
For such a short length, there is a lot of good stuff with this floorpan. It looks well though out and livable.
First, I'm really glad that my one and only RV nerd was able to do a review video on a 22MLE. This is the floor plan I love. You did a great job as usual. But, when Cougar finally put their mark on it with the 22MLS I was blown away. King bed, kitchen sink placement so you have more countertop access, hot/cold TESTED, bathroom window and the better roof and height of the cougar. $$$ if I'm doing it....you get what you pay for. Again, thank you for doing the video.
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More to come my guy
And you get the cable slide out issues. Just look for cougar slide issues
Great floor plan. I like this one. Thanks for sharing Josh👍👍
That just looks handy! Josh you’re absolutely nailing your videos, I hope bish’s realizes. Thank you for sharing all the insights, keep up the good work!
❤️ 🙏🏻
We just picked up ours in December, can't wait for spring. We also looked at the Cougar 22MLS and liked it as well, but, even though it had power jacks and 2 30# propane tanks vs. the 22MLEs 20# tanks, we thought the GD had a better overall fit n finish. Thx for another great review.
My pleasure! Enjoy your rv!
This Grand Design really grabs you! We looked at the Couger, and almost was set on Coahmen Apex BHS245, it was so pretty! But felt wobbly and I didn't think the bath looked as great as grand design. I had a notebook and wrote observations in person touring them all, and GD won on everything that matters to me!
Love the dinette on the camp side so you sit and look at your site and not your neighbors. Wish more campers had this set up.
Here’s another! ruclips.net/video/Ga9z4yQzTxU/видео.html
Perfect saving this video
thank you for all you do for us
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Great layout and love the storage for a smaller travel trailer.
I just saw the camper today. It truely is very cool, especially with the well designed & very attractive kitchen.
One "typo" in you RUclips script... the Solar package with the charge controller was not a 50, but 25.
The box under the bed was a lost opportunity to have 2 drawers! It would be my first mod!
I get why the Bath is so tiny because if it were larger, you'd lose the pantry. However, it does meet minimally functional for a 6'+ 230lbs guy.
Cheers, Eric
Just walked thru this one at my local dealer, and you're spot on Josh -- it has HUGE feel inside for being so light on the #s. RoadMode awesome! Somebody won't like the bath next to the kitchen. Vids cannot show fit & finish, and its good. Massage & heated loungers are silly luxury IMO. The central controls behind tinted glass is GENIUS -- some idiots aim the controls lights right! at! the! bed! I did not know GD ships with MPPT 50Amp charge controller. Much better than the cheapo PWM 15A in others. I'm seriously considering on the GDs now ... they are a few grand more but nothings free. Final prep & PDI at GD is better than you-know-who SweatShops. There are even better fit & finish than GDs but the price really jumps to buy them. Thank you for adding them to your tours!
It's absolutely been my pleasure! :)
The Imagine is four-seasons and laminated slide walls. The cabinets are made from poplar which is a hardwood but light weight. They in my opinion are one of the best.
I like it. Good couples camper for week or weekend getaways. We need to feel space, not stuff because we won't be living it full time.
* Hitch weight confusion - Hitch weight is listed around 500-600 lbs.*
This is a really nice year round weekender!! Space to be comfy but not excessive. Fancy but not over the top. Everything you need, nothing you don't! I really like the shoe storage cubby and the 12v fridge with the solar! For a weekender, I don't have any dislikes honestly. I'm sure people are going to want a king bed but the space to walk around the bed as well as the extra storage is worth having the queen in my opinion. Nice detailed video Uncle Josh! 🤠
Yeah I mislabeled the specs
@@JoshtheRVNerd No worries man!! 🙂
Man you work fast... i asked you to review these yesterday and you delivered. Thankyou!
Wish I could say “just for you!” But I had it done already. I DID push it up on my release schedule though
Bought this last year (2021 model). Very nice. The upgrade fridge wasn’t offered then. Plenty of storage.
Really glad to see all the 12v options they’re offering now. Especially the big ones in the reflection series
Love this floorplan! It was number 2 one my list. Ended up ordering a Mini Lite 2507s instead for the following reasons:
1) 2507s Bathroom size
2) 2507s Overall storage layout
3) 2507s outdoor kitchen
4) 2507s U dinette
2507S is a beast for sure!
Josh, there is a rollaway dish dryer.
The 22RBE that we have has the bathroom on one end and the bedroom on the other. Both have sliding barn doors instead of a traditional door.
Plenty of room in the bathroom.
We have a 2021 22MLE. Hubby 6'3, me 5'10. We both use C-PAP. Cubbies next to the bed, awesome. This TT is Perfect for us. I have solo traveled several times, never had any issues. Long trips or short trips, we love IMA. Thanks for showcasing this TT. From cold, snowy Kansas. Love This Channel.
Nice! Ty
@@JoshtheRVNerd P.S. Forgot to mention we are both 72 years young. There is not too much I can't do when I travel alone. Just Sayin'
This is the best fit for us that I've seen so far!
Ty for watching!!
Great floorplan and very nice decor.
One aftermarket change I would do, is add a swing/drop down TV above the foot of the bed.
That’s a good idea for evenings
Really like that floor plan. I’d probably go with the more budget friendly Sundance 231ML. And Josh, it looks as if you might be enjoying being able to film in those show rooms as opposed to the snow and ice.
Better than freezing
Though it brings its own challenges
It’s hRd not being able to walk FULLY around units sometimes
As always, Thank you good sir knight.
Lol I’ve been called worse
Nice layout. To improve the outlets in the kitchen they could have put those pop up power towers in the corners of the counter top.
Great video Uncle Josh but for me the Cougar 22MLS wins for me. King bed that is not surrounded like a sleeping in a coffin. Better dinette options. Better bathroom. Warranty for full time use. Just my opinions. Thanks again for sharing this cool trailer with the Nerd herd.
My pleasure! They seem to each do a couple things the other one doesn’t. I really do like the table and chairs in the Cougar myself as well
We had this camper until someone totaled it for us in a hit and run. It was fantastic. We never had any issues and towed it all around the country. The build quality was excellent.
Aww, someone wrecked your trailer?! I hope insurance is able to replace it.
Ty for sharing and sorry to hear it. Did you get it replaced?
The only thing that I would prefer to see instead of the dinette is a traditional entertainment center with a TV and electric fireplace across from the theater seating, otherwise this is an awesome couple’s camper👍
Completely agree!
I've seen modifications where an elec. fireplace was installed at the base of the bed, looked great.
Got a link to a pic or something? Interesting idea!
@@JoshtheRVNerd My 2021 2205S floorplan?
I wonder if they could do a small wntertain center/desk area
Loved the layout so much we bought one. While some are similar the grand Designs were just a notch above on fit and finish.
And that’s a great choice. If my videos have been helpful, then, would it be out of the question to ask you to drop me a quick review at g.page/r/CdPcitNVx2nDEAg/review
First off I wanted to thank you Josh for your videos they helped us a lot last year while looking for a TT. We like the floor plan for the 22 mle but feel in love with the cougar 22 mls, feels much larger. Please before you buy do walk thru of both!!
That's such great advisory. I'm the guy that runs the camera and I can tell you it flat out DOES NOT see things the way we do
Toterhome! Another great addition to the definictionary. 👍
If I were to get a couples camper, I really think I’d prefer a king bed. I also noticed a lack of outdoor camp kitchen. 👎
On the plus side, it looks good, nicely done. I do like the privacy door for the bathroom with that cutout. That’s pretty cool.
We love our Grand Design momentum…. Awesome RVs
Enjoyed going thru a few. Will have some videos coming on them
I nearly bought one of these and I won't rule it out later. The OSB and some of the recently reported roof quality issues give me some pause. I like the 12v fridge and solar setup. This is my favorite layout for a couples trailer. MSRP hikes are creating a value vs price issue.
I agree about the OSB. I wasn't a fan of the steps.
Just watched the Rockwood factory tour and really looking forward to a Grand Design factory tour ;) We bought the 22MLE in Jan and have had it out 5 times this summer, so far with a few more trips planned. We have been pop-up campers for 25+ years and finally (kids in college) bought the perfect couples camper. I can say you brought up a few good points about the small toilet area (I am 6' 240lbs) but it is usable. The plugs being under the cabinets are not as much as an issue as we thought and there are 3 in the walls buy the beds sides and the table. Like you said for 5200lb TT it feels big inside and that's why we picked this one. We did have the two kids stay with us a weekend one on the table and one on a blowup mattress in front of the stove/fridge. It was tight but doable for a weekend ;) Great storage and it pulls perfectly behind my 2012 F150 eco boost. We did look at the Cougar but still liked this one better.
Ty for taking the time to watch and share your thoughts on this one
Josh, love your videos with the detail they go into and especially the road mode sections. We're shopping for our first RV and your reviews are helping us narrow down our search (and expand it at the same time). With the lack of a bedroom door on this model it would seem that it would be awesome if it had a murphy bed so that the bedroom would become part of the living area during the day. Then it really could be a large couples RV in a small footprint.
I've had a few folks mention something similar. I think they left the bed "down" since it already has both a sofa and a dinette but I don't dislike the idea.
No, we don’t want to Jack with a bed every day. This is the way you want it !!! Things are more pleasant if they have their own place. All the Murphy beds are camper queens, try getting sheets for them. Some fold in the middle of the mattress, very uncomfortable to sleep on
Hi Josh! This is a great travel trailer option for a couple!! Thank you very much for sharing it. Our Outdoors RV 22FQS is exactly what you described.....it is only a dinette rig. As we begin using our rig, I have always thought there will be a time that we regret not having a couch or theater seating for those days that it isn't pleasant to be outside. And, our rig is actually a few inches longer than this one.
This model has an awesome "wrap over the bed" drawers and shelving! I like it. That kitchen storage is awesome too! Great full access too when the slide out is in!!
If we didn't live in CO and want to use our trailer all year (as well as mostly off road), this would be an awesome alternate!!
Safe travels!!
Ty!!
Nice layout, great couples travel trailer.
Cougar makes a good one as well m.ruclips.net/video/Ga9z4yQzTxU/видео.html
I can't wait for you to review the 23LDE. If you like this one, you're going to LOVE the LDE!
You down with LDE? 😉
When the time comes, if I can pull a 2670MK, I'll buy that. Great trailer! If I can't, the 23LDE is amazing for its size! Has great storage. Three places you need storage, bedroom for clothes, bathroom for towels, and kitchen. Those two trailers perform amazingly well in that aspect. And in counter space.
8:20 This is one of my favorite travel trailer layouts, no matter who does it, as you told us there are several. (Makes it so hard to choose! 😉) So far I only wish the TV were a bit larger (my eyes are getting elderly at 46 years old😂🤦🏻♀️) and that the kitchen was white like the Spirit 22MD. It makes it look so clean when the cabinets are super light. But I still love this one. Thanks for doing such thorough videos. I’m loving window shopping
It’s been super fun seeing all the different versions of something like this too
Love this Model !❤ good review as always 👏
Glad you enjoy it! I actually have some updated 2024 footage coming for this as well
I don't care for OSB for the bed deck or the '"spring board" entry steps. Seems like almost everyone else is using a version of steady steps.
Thank you once again uncle Josh! I really like this unit especially with the easy that you presented it.
Keep up the wonderful job!
My pleasure!!
That’s a real beaut of a light trailer. It seems to have every necessary feature plus “storage galorage” as you put it. Decent shower but that toilet space is tight, as you also pointed out. And OTG package would be really nice.
I’ve definitely seen worse toilet setups! Thx for another visit!!
This one and the Imagine XLS 22RBE are the 2 main candidates I'm looking at for our 1st RV for my wife and our dogs to pull behind our existing Silverado 1500. I look at so many others and these 2 keep winning out for what we're looking for.
I need to get my hands on that 22RBE. TY for watching! :)
@@JoshtheRVNerd The RBE switches out the bedroom curtain for a wall, which is a deciding feature when my wife tours trailers. And we don't really need the dinette ourselves.
Love it. Just need a king. Enough room for me, hubby and two dogs.
King bed? Try this one: bit.ly/2Z3DxKz
Would love to see you review the 22RBE. trying to decide between 22MLE and the 22RBE and your review input is second to none!
It’s on my hit list
Lol, 'Thanks Nerd', I love your vids, it's always informative but fun and funny. I'd love to see a trailer that is good in the cold like Michigan AND the heat like Arizona. I'm looking for a good year long unit too live in.
We have a 2021 and love it!
Is that 1,620 hitch weight correct? If it is, not safely half ton towable...
I'm thinking that number is intended for cargo capacity?
I messed that up. Apologies
Love it. Thinking of a new camper.
Plenty more here for you to watch! Enjoy!!
They have the best looking RV's! With the ever so handsome RV Nerd doing an amazing presentation too!! 😷🏳️🌈
😂
@@JoshtheRVNerd Thank you! I'm here all week!!! 😆
Got to see your presentation at Novi today! Nice job. Keep up the great work!
Awesome!! Ty for joining me!
Very nice layout, only thing I say it needs on the inside is a better space for a trash can. Thanks for the thorough video.
We have this one and yes no trash can space in the kitchen is a pain but does have a nice open area under the bathroom sink. Really happy with our choice.
We've looked at just about every brand of camper trying to find the best for the amount of money spent, Grand Design in my opinion is the best of the best, Well built and usually have only seen good reviews
Appreciate the feedback Big Tom :)
Glad you can show a Grand Design one of my favorite companies. I like the camper except for the open bed concept. We like the Transcend 240ml which is similar except private bedroom. Also like the passport 229rk if you ever have the chance to show those would love it.Thanks for the video Josh
I have a video on that trans on coming as well. I really really like that one
We were there in Twin Falls yesterday!!! Picked up our Cougar in the morning.
Oh wow congratulations. Which model?
@@JoshtheRVNerd 2022 Cougar 24SABWE pulled it 9 hours south back to the sun. Needed that Zero Rating for the first night in Utah, lovin' it. Justin, Dave, Pepe, the parts guys, the prep guys, the woman at the front door desk, everyone was awesome. Working on my yelp review for them.
The Grand Design has the edge for me over the cougar because of the bedroom storage... I know you move from a king to a queen to get it, but I think those extra drawers are worth it. I do like the glass door in the shower on the cougar and I'd like to see drawers under the bed and dinette to better access the storage there. I would love to see Rockwood do this layout... oh and Grand Design should add a front cap to the xls... I also like the vaulted ceiling in the cougar but again, the drawer space in the bedroom trumps it. Thanks for the reviews!
This summer i need to do some "Brand Battles" with these things side by side!
@@JoshtheRVNerd it would be great to see a head to head… I’m interested in things like the walkable roof and quality… solar packages, etc…. All the unseen stuff…. If cougar did a queen with similar drawers I’d go with it …. It’s a tough call.
We have that same model 2021 and we do love it. Great reviews Josh. And I do HATE THE OUTLET LOCATIONS but thank you for explaining why maybe now I won’t bitch trying to plug in the coffee maker when hungover 🤕😂
Get some command strips to mount a power strip to the wall in that area. No screws required
@@JoshtheRVNerd damn I never thought of that THany you Uncle Josh 😎👍
Very nice. Tyfs !
Truly my pleasure! Compare to the cougar here ruclips.net/video/Ga9z4yQzTxU/видео.html
Great video as usual!
Btw. " Toterhome": usually a big truck chassis with basic loving quarters. Usually used to pull huge enclosed race or cargo cargo trailers.
"loving quarters"?? 😆😏
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Nice size even Yukon XL towable. This will fit in the new Jeep sport utility towing capacity also. They add some nice touches to it. . Be safe Josh.
Ty - and ty for mentioning the cargo/hitch weight hiccup to people
@@JoshtheRVNerd Always fun to point out someone's mistakes as a former proofreader. 😁😂🤣 Stay safe Josh.
@@badgerpa9 Know i always appreciate it.
@@JoshtheRVNerd As a Project Manager I had a little sign up that said "if you find the software error during testing then it was not an error just testing". Tried to keep the programming errors from affecting customers. Proof reading in college helped me many times over the years.
Josh, EXCELLENT video as usual. Very nice floor plan, but can't wait for you to compare/contrast this against the XLS 22RBE. Also looking for your reviews of a Premier 23RBPR and an Outdoors Creekside 22RBS.
All added to the "hit list" as I travel! TY Ken :)
0:04 based on the layout it reminds me of a KeyStone Cougar 22MLS #MyFavorite 🤩
1:53 like I said 😉
Yep. This one predates the cougar by a year or two
We have a 2500RL and the bedroom is similar and the storage is great! We use the cubby to store our sleep number mattress air pump! Works great. We love our Grand Design Imagine so cool to see you doing videos on this company now too. 👍🏻😊 Favorite RV guy.
Video of that one coming soon btw!:)
Really nice floor plan and finishes! I really like the kitchen layout. I wonder if another solution for the electrical outlets would be the power tower option. Of course you know I love the 60x80 true Queen bed and they did a really good job with storage around the bed. Better than I think any camper of that size has done. The bathroom has good space and I like the low entry, rectangular shower. A really nice unit!
I liked it a lot. It’s smartly done
Thanks Josh for the great video. I know you did a video on the cougar that has the same layout. If you'd have to choose between the two witch one would you go with and why. Both seem to be very nice..
Thank you so much for everything and keep up the amazing work..
It’s a super tight race. Both are the best of anyone that makes this layout in my estimation. I would personally give the nod to cougar for some very small reasons. Bigger bed space is nice. Tank heaters give me peace of mind. And they have better solar package options.
Best trailer for couples that I’ve seen!💚
Big praise!! There are multiple builders with a similar layout now as well
Cougar
Jay feather
Spirit
Sundance
And others
Nice-looking trailer, but I have to say I prefer the Cougar 22MLS. Thanks for always listing the specs at the beginning of your videos. I think there is an oopsie on this one. I believe the hitch weight listed is the cargo capacity. The 22 MLS was at the top of our list till we saw the Embers.
Yeah I biffed it listing the specs. You figured it out correctly
This is a nice unit! If I had one of these, instead of the Microlite 21DS, I’d probably get a few more years out of it, before upgrading.
You have a great rig there. Nice pick!!
Much better priced (since MSRP I can extrapolate), I likey. Thanks also to Lois below for her comments!
Great videos Josh!! You've been our go to! ..our top 3.. GD Imagine 22mle, Cougar 22mls and Flagstaff 22bds. GD has won it for us! Didn't like floor vents and corner shower In Cougar.. it sure was pretty though! Flagstaff sofa was ok... but theater seating was nicer in GD... and no "neck wrecker" situation. Will miss the outdoor kitchen though... wish you were in CA, .. you deserve the sale!
I don't personally work in sales but you may consider reaching out to our Idaho locations to see what they could do for you. This was just over in Twin Falls and we can always deliver!
At the very least I'd really appreciate it if you could drop my name in a quick review at bit.ly/3NP933u in return for the efforts if they've been beneficial to you!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Review complete! I will look into Idaho! Thanks for everything!
You're going to get spoiled Josh, getting to film in a heated weather protected arena. But if you can't win the lottery, you might as well be spoiled 😁. I hope you get to bring the family on a couple of these outings to other states.
Family is always welcome on these trips which is nice. Bish’s is truly a company that respects and encourages a healthy work/life balance
Grand Design stands behind their RV's.. great customer service. (Some others too..)
At the end of the day, that is all that really matters. ALL RV's will eventually break or wear. How the company handles that, is what matters.
Josh do a review on the grand design transcend 260 RB please thinking of buying one to see what you think of them
Adding to my hit list. Just need to get to a store that has them!
@@JoshtheRVNerd outstanding sir
Nice plan Josh. Don't like front windshield above bed so this is perfect. Great bathroom, kitchen layout! No Floor Vents Rocks! Only suggestion is to have 55 gals of fresh water - that should be the standard for all campers! The toe stubbing slide in front of the stovetop is not ideal.
FWIW, this unit has a fresh water fill just to the left of the door.
Josh - Love your unbiased look at these RV’s. Would love to see the Imagine 2400BH in one of your reviews. Keep up the good work.
Will see if I can get my hands on one sometime!!
A big diff from Cougar, the cougar only has a 33 gall grey water. This has 45. That can make a big difference.
Absolutely a big deal for some folks for sure
We purchase a 2023 version of this floorplan and there have been some changes to the decor so thought I would post them here. To us they have helped update the look of the trailer quite a bit.
GD has gone to oiled rubbed bronze for all of the cabinet hardware and plumbing fixtures.
The shiny chrome (?) inlay in the trim is now black or a color close to it.
The slide toe kick trim is now black or a color close to it.
The vent and fridge are now black.
They have changed the pleather on the back of the dinette seating to a wood product that matches the grain pattern and color of the cabinets.
There is no option for a factory installed inverter.
The delivered dry weight (from sticker) was a little over 200 lbs heavier than the published dry weight.
Ty for the updates 😃
It is a great floor plan but the wife and I prefer the Cougar because can get table and chairs and taller ceiling
I REALLY like the table and chairs in that one as well it would be my preference I think
Hey Josh ... Why is the hitch weight on this camper so heavy at 1620 lbs? Even at it's max weight of 6995 lbs x 20% is only 1399 lbs. Just curious why it's so heavy at the hitch. Thanks!
Gotta be a typo. Josh?
Nerdfail. See pinned comment
Can you do the
grand design transcend xplor 247bh
Will add it to the list!!
excellent.... totally usable with slide in if you want to.... or have to for some reason, nothing i do not like, only thing i might do different, put a bar with chairs facing window to eat at, possibly with flip up or pull out extention if needed like some have, a bit more desk like. but is ok as it is.
Oh man I love that bar idea
I am glad that you are reviewing the Grand Design lineup. I hope that you will do a review of the Imagine 2400bh. I am interested to hear your thoughts on it compared to a Freedom Express 257bhs. Thanks Josh.
Another good one in that category is m.ruclips.net/video/dsi00wO4U98/видео.html
Great video, but those Coachmen Spirit trailers are right there.
They’re coming :)
"Please do not use" on the toilet brings back a childhood memory of shopping for an rv for my grandma in the 90s. We walked through so many RVs, and I had to pee, so when I saw the bathroom, I just peed in the toilet, never once considering I wasn't supposed to lol.
On a completely different note, have you seen the Sabre 37FLL? Can you review it? I love that double loft setup! I wish more 5th wheels would do that, because my RV lot slopes towards the back, which on a travel/destination trailer, I'd have to jack the back way up to be level. However, I do wish it came in a shorter layout, because of the
I have, and perhaps if I can get my hands on one.
Actually check out my friends at rv miles. They full time in that layout
Here’s a link! m.ruclips.net/channel/UCM7abs_fO7RNp-WArS2u3SQ
I have always liked the GD units with this euro style cabinetry, but until now, they didn't offer 12v refrigerators or solid steps. At least they are halfway there with this model. Feels really open, even on camera.
So I would steps are really easy for us to add most of the time
Love that Floor Plan. According to Grand Design Owners Forum and other RUclips Channels there was a problem with Roof Membrane being loose on delivery. Has that problem been addressed by the factory ? Wish Plywood was used (like Jayco).
It was nice to meet you at the Novi show. Can you review the 17MKE? Looks like the perfect rv for the two of us.
Will add it to the list
No one mentioned the major issues about the frame and pieces falling off. 2020 late models to the 2023. They have recalls and class action sites against them.
This is great!! Thank you. My wife and I are looking at the 2670MK or the 2800BH. A review with your thoughts on either one or both would be fantastic! We are in IA and will definitely be looking at Bish’s first because of you.
I will keep them on my hit list as I travel around
love it. yes interested
I like the smart use of space.
Now give me something that fits 3 kids by those guys
It’s coming
Is the fridge powered by one source? 12 volt only? Not sure if I like that. Not a fan of front hookups when most campsites have their utilities in the back. Thanks for your review.
Yes 12v only. Travel safe. Vehicle and solar both charge battery while moving
Its so nices
Probably for nothing, but I do have a problem with the bathroom being adjacent to the food prep area. It is a show stopper for me. There are enough options so I can just move on to one of those.
I hear that now and then. Haven’t yet found a layout that works for everyone
I looked at this model yesterday and fell in love with it. I do wish it had an electric/propane frig though. My husband really wants that. Me not so much.
Do you park camp or dry camp more often? If park camping, then I feel strongly that 12v fridge is hands-down the superior option for you.
If dry camping, then you'll want about 200w of solar to offset a 12v fridge at least (more being better).
@@JoshtheRVNerd We've only park camped. I think my husband may be thinking of keeping frig stuff cool while traveling and should we lose electricity at home for an extended period and having to use the trailer to stay in. Thanks for your input!
And in considering this model should we be concerned about the Schwintek slide system. I'm wondering if the problem with the recall was corrected on 22 models available and/or if proper use of the slide is more the problem. Any help with this aspect would be appreciated!