I have a serious question that will sound teenager, but it’s a reality. I love that layout, but can the bed slide take a combat cuddling? Same question on noise from outside inside? That’s the most PG way I can say it.
I like the Imagines. And the Alliance. But I also thought they were all very nice. Thank you Josh I loved how you grouped them. Great job Josh! Very well done! Josh! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
My wife and I are looking at the Rockwood mini lite 2511s. With the power pack option you get 1000 watts solar, 460 amp battery. Bedroom is separate from living space. Under 26 feet long. Looks so good to us. Thanks for a great video!
That was our pick in 2020 but the weight and length was just too much for my Frontier😬so we picked up our 2021 2205S with theater seating in August of 2020 and have loved it ever since, even though it pushes the truck to it’s limits👍
IMO the KZ Connet SE 241RESE is a good choice for a couples travel trailer. Really enjoy your clips and videos!! It's your unique squecky voice, puns, and laughing at yourself that makes you standout over the other basic regular RV videos .....keeps me always coming back! Keep up the great work!!
The Zamp ready package was on the trailer . Just added the panels. Only bummer the controller won’t handle lithium. Our 2 flooded 27s handle our needs. Plus gas generator. Love reading your stuff. I used you when adding my solar.
I'm glad you are posting these. I want to get a midsized truck and a camper I can take out some weekends on longer trips and these are hitting an itch that needs scratched. You are saving me tons of time, because there are so many options out there it is overwhelming. Although it looks like this list is a bit out of my length and weight limits and wants, it's nice to get some things narrowed down easily rather than spend hours upon hours browsing brochures and doing searches.
@@JoshtheRVNerd Oh I'm looking forward to that. I am planning to get a Honda Ridgeline in the next month or two and it can tow up to 5k which is fine for me. I want something that 19-20 foot max, easy to tow and get in and out of places. I'm subscribed so I'll be watching soon after you post lol
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Excellent grouping Josh! Thank you for ALL you do! Interesting that I noticed the Ember 21MRK has bigger gaps on the side of the Murphy bed than they used to. Still better than every other manufactures Murphy Beds though! Made notes on a few of these, as they seem excellent! 😊
We have a Cougar 30rkd which I loves as a couples camper but it is almost 35 feet long. Travel mode you can access everything and the theater seat is right in front of the 50 inch tv and the fireplace. A separate bedroom and you don't have to walk through the bathroom to get to the bedroom!
Love your videos, Josh!! Very informative and have guided us in our camper purchases. We just made our third camper purchase- it’s a Forest River Vibe 2500SP. It’s a very unique floor plan! Would love it if you can make a video tour of it. We can’t find any videos of it out there. We discovered it at the RV Show in Hershey, Pa in September. Thank You!
In the Imagine XLS line I think we are up to four that all have a GVWR of 6995 lbs. The issue for us then became one of cargo capacity. Due to the larger 23LDE and 24BSE having much higher dry weights you lose 400 - 750 pounds of cargo capacity compared to the slightly smaller 22MLE and 22RBE. This capacity difference isn't s big deal for short outings to nearby state parks or campgrounds but can make a big difference on longer trips of a couple of weeks or more. While we loved the 23LDE floorplan when we were looking for a new trailer the higher capacity of the 22MLE gave it the edge. We didn't care for the Cougar 22MLS because of the lack of bedside drawers, the bedside carpet and front window. It is also on the heavier side, not a bad thing, so doesn't have the cargo capacity of some of its competitors. We also don't like the Stable Steps. Not only do they take up more space when using them in a parking lot they do not adapt well to rustic campsites. If they got rid of the carpet which would allow them to install drawers and optioned regular foldout stairs it might have been higher up on our list. We both really liked the front kitchen with rear bedroom trailers we saw when searching for a new trailer. If it hadn't been for the loaded tongue weights of most pushing into 3/4 ton territory we probably would have gone that route. A little off topic but somewhat related. We still aren't fans of instant hot water heaters as most, not all, can't be used in freezing weather due to no anti-freeze protection while traveling thus shortening our camping season. We also didn't think the water temperature was as consistent as the tank style. After experimenting a bit we found a way to keep the water temperature at the shower head more consistent by not using the cold water to set the temperature. Instead we set the temp at the thermostat and only turn on the hot water when in the shower. So I will give the tankless a thumbs up in this regard.
Any topic is a fine topic here! TY for sharing! :) I've noticed Imagine does tend to have "minimal" cargo ratings and lower GVWR's pretty regularly though I've seen them address that on a few models over the past year or two I saw an RV out west this past weekend that was a 32ft model with a super slide with less than 700lbs of available cargo from empty.. that's just dumb
Would love to see more dinette at the back with huge windows covering the entire back and sides. Sorta like the bullet 1900rd. Thanks youare the best!! Eileen
As long as an RV has a ladder, 200 watts of solar for the 12V fridge, Goodyear tires, theater seating, a TV, fireplace, oven, porcelain toilet, shower door and decent vent fan, and no outdated “Denny’s” diner booth dinette it would make a perfect couple’s camper for me😂
@@makeupyourmindinator I hope that one day we will never see a another cheap plastic toilet, shower curtain, Dollar Store 4” fart fan, a blank wall where a TV should be, only 1 pitiful propane tank and a dinette only floorplan ever again in an RV😂🤣😂
Great video. Thank you! You gave the Grand Design Imagine 22MLE an honorable mention which is good as (from our perspectives) it trumps most of these (except possibly the Imagine 23LDE and the Cougar 22MLS :) in layout and design with winning features such as camp side dinette and windows which is a much more amazing feature than people realize. We will definitely give both the Imagine 23 LDE and the Cougar 22 MLS a close look. Thanks for all you do.
21MRK Now add in a fiberglass roof. Who could compete? I understand, they might not want to change to fiberglass. But I think it is an interesting thought.
Great choices! Love that Delta 252RL. I like the 2516S, but actually prefer the 2515S. Although you have to trade off a camp queen, and some counter space. But you gain a rectangular shower!
I just left a message for someone else with a similar request. First thing I would mention is RVs are not houses and despite all the claims by some mfgs none of them are built to be lived in 365 days a year But it can be done. owners need to be more diligent about upkeep to help offset the frequency of use. I think I'd recommend looking at an rv with better tires and suspension. Those tend to be brands more focused on a better ownership experience with features in line with the type of use you're considering. Good suspensions help keep things from rattling apart when traveling between jobs
Love your video reviews and thoughts on different RVs. I'm wondering if you've ever or in the future will do a video on your thoughts of the RV industry as a whole today. Specifically the quality of the RVs the manufacturers are putting out and the way they handle warranty issues. I've heard some really horror stories and it is scaring me away from getting an RV as I'm getting closer to retirement and want to get an RV to see the country.
I touch on topics like that monthly in my industry update series. Also about once a year I put out a video with my general impressions of the state/quality of the industry as I've encountered it Love the idea and suggestion!
Slides are always an issue especially if you do any overnights that are not where you can use them. Also I really want two separate dedicated sleeping such as twins or a trifold sofa or loveseat I also despise folding mattresses on the main bed.
Hey, would it be possible to charge house batteries by the same mode as vans when you are moving, I mean use the trailer tires as you travel charging the batteries. Lots of vanlifers are adding this as a mod or newer ones having it factory installed?
I really like what Salem/ Wildwood did with the 22mls floor plan but I agree with putting the Cougar above it on this list. I'm glad a RW MiniLite made the list (I own a 2507s), but prefer the 2515s over GD's version even though the kitchen isn't as good. Also, I prefer trailers closer to 25 ft, so all the bigger ones on the list were ignored. Lol.
I have to agree, the 22MLS is one I keep coming back to, mostly because of that freestanding dinette option, along with the 25RDS (I'd have to rip out that U dinette though, bit of a project) and the 260MLE 5th wheel as a premium option with the pull out table. I just wish more couples campers offered that freestanding option in a smaller footprint, I get why the RV manufacturers don't often like dealing with too many options but to me it seems worth it for the dinette swaps.
@@JoshtheRVNerd if there was room for a permanent set of dual monitors, maybe! My current plan is to get something with a freestanding dinette, toss it, and put my existing desk from home in there but I'd be happy to find a move in ready solution too! I know some exist but they're still rare to find, especially for floorplans I prefer.
We love our 2022 Cougar 25RDS. The campsite and rear views are fantastic. We really liked the 22MLS too but wanted more room for a guest to stay which the big dinette provided. We also like the bigger bathroom, the fireplace, and the 50 amp service. We liked the Imagine 23LDE but it is only 30AMP, seems to have lighter axles, smaller tanks, less cargo capacity, lower ceilings, smaller stove, and no fireplace. Things I would change in our 25RDS, solid surface countertops, shelves instead of hanging space in bedroom closets, increase kitchen cabinet drawer length an inch or 2, ours are only 14.5” inside and there seems to be room to make them longer.
Ember overland series might fit those width specifications. Note Ember says 8 feet wide, but the 191 series body is only 7.5 feet (the tires are outside this width a couple of inches as is the awning frame (so Ember posts the specifications as 8 feet), But you can see past the body with standard pickup truck mirrors in the towing position.
Hello Uncle Josh 😊! I like this Imagine, your #8 pick, the bathroom sold it for me! ❤ I also like a rear bedroom ❤ Great job my friend! I hope you liked the "Bird Nerd" t-shirt and mug, my phone died after 9 years, had to get a new one, so I am now catching up. Hug your daughter and your wife for me and of course, your doggie McGillicuty ❤ Take care Uncle Josh ❤❤❤❤
9 years?! I'd say you got your money's worth! The Bird Nerd stuff had me laughing! It was super kind TY so much I actually have your card sitting on my desk in my office :)
Just went to check out the Couger 22 MLS. I'd prefer the table and chairs, but I'm thinking I'd like to leave the one bench seat and get the free standing table and 2 chairs. I do like this one but there are a few others I feel might be a bit better fit for me. When I figure out which one it is ill let know. Thanks for the links.
Do you ever show smaller light weight 5th wheels. For couples. Like 30-32’ and around 6000lbs. I like the layouts of the pull behinds but prefer to pull 6th wheels over pull behinds.
Outside of specialty "egg camper" style builders 6,000lb FWs essentially don't exist so I wouldn't really have options to display for you. FWs are taller, heavier, and require more structure. That puts them beyond a 6,000lb range pretty much immediately
Thank you for your interest! Ember is very, very interested in fifth wheels. When it happens (and it’s only a question of when), you know that Josh will have the video first!
Josh, you include "laminate" in the trailer category. What other kinds of construction are there, and where do the laminate trailers fall on the list of quality builds?
There are the conventionally constructed trailers commonly referred to as stick and tin. RVs with fiberglass skins are generally lumped together under laminated construction, although technically that’s not always completely accurate.
Check out the Jayco 2024 White Hawk 26FK for couples. It’s absolutely amazing, bright, spacious, storage galore, pet friendly with no grates on the floor.
Great model! Here's a few others with similar layouts and no floor vents: ► Heritage Glen 270FKS ruclips.net/video/_aGhVdG2Wdg/видео.html ► Freedom Express 259FKDS: ruclips.net/video/hzvx0UFU-c8/видео.html ► Surveyor 268FKBS: ruclips.net/video/YFyXzIJtcGQ/видео.html And a video to the white hawk in question: ► White Hawk 26FK: ruclips.net/video/ynuQ2pqt_1I/видео.html
Thank you for this review, but I'm still partial to our Apex 293rlds for a couples camper. It provides a similar layout to a 5'er, but at less than 30 feet.
That is a great model but for clarity that RV is 34ft long in total. The model number of an RV doesn't typically denote its actual length Thought I would share in the event you find yourself hunting a parking space that won't fit your RV & spare you the trouble
Cougar has some of the nicest floor plans but IMO Rockwood is a better quality trailer. Torflex axles, rack and pinion slides instead of cable slides and no Lippert (Furrion) appliances. I’ve said for years that if the Cougar interior designers moved to Rockwood they would be hands down the best trailers at the price point.
Your pick is going to be a Cougar because I always see a twinkle in your eye when you show a Cougar...doesn't matter if it's a 5th wheel or small trailer.
I'll see what I can whip up but I don't want to over promise - I don't see a ton of haulers typically and may not be able to properly populate a list like that
I’ve been really fixated on the slide mechanism. I want low maintenance and super reliability. Currently in our EPRO 19FD no slide… but if I do a slide I don’t want a headache. I’m sure I’m not alone in this. What is the most reliable slide system for this size trailer: 23-29’ mid grade couples trailer?
Well there ya have it. Like you, I am still holding out for the 22MLS. I go to the local dealer once a year and sit in the new one just to see it. (Is that creepy) One of these days.
@@Mike-te1xx Odd, a quick search show that some dealers have them available, one has 14 of them. All manufacturers say how great their trailers are, from what I have seen first hand Brinkley's ( and others ) are pretty darn well put together. Yes, they are pricey.
Hay josh john here ireallly like the cougar 22mle its been my faz cents it came out. Im stuck between embers 21mkk and the cougar 22mle. Both are great couple campers.whats your thought.
I probably have and you may not realize it. I think you’re referencing the 25FBDS which is the flagstaff number for the Rockwood 2518S you can see here m.ruclips.net/video/dj91Y0B3CGk/видео.html I had the first review of it ever online. Enjoy
Eh, so you were thinking about Glazed chicken breast for lunch. No big deal. I love your videos. I love the mistakes in your videos. Don't ever change. Just like DIDIbolter9362 says! We love you exactly as you are.
Thank you Josh for showing the Grand design models, the have been receiving so much negative BS lately, my opinion, they are a great rv and of course im a little bit parcel, I own one, Thanks for adding them.
I appreciate you sharing how you feel and respect how others feel as well. I say with confidence the RVs in this video are the ones I personally have no issues with owning myself
I've never had the opportunity to go thru many. Historically they struck me as _the_ bargain basement brand.. *BUT...* For the past several years I've seen where it looks like they've made some strides to step up and they've certainly piqued my interest. Hopefully some time I get the chance to go thru some if one of our stores adds them to our lineup
Oh they're great but the list does focus on my picks for my personal use. Winnebago makes some great rigs but the specific things I myself seek out are usually better accomplished by other brands
I was on a GD Facebook page and it was littered with complaints. With their build quality how does Northwood or Outdoor RV not make the list? Furthermore would love to see mini splits being used for energy efficiency and less noise.
This isn't a definitive list of "these are the best rvs in the market." These are the models I personally prefer. Anyone's list could vary Northwood and ORV are awesome. They don't make the kind of RVs I would use though. So they're not on my personal preferred list
@ why would you not use them? The general consensus is that the vast majority of RV producers are churning out crap. I don’t understand how companies that actually try to produce quality items that are less likely to spend months sitting at dealerships don’t make a preferred list 😵💫. Truly bewildered here 🤨🧐😆
@@calw8217 great question. A few reasons * They're not commonly available where I live. Accessing the product is more difficult * They're built for and geared to the idea of a different kind of camping than I tend to enjoy personally. I don't need something heavy duty. I don't need something made for off-grid use. I camp casually and with hookups. They're built for a style of camping that doesn't fit my style of camping. Doesn't mean I don't like them. I have video of several on file you can check out. They're absolutely awesome. They're just not for me. This list is just a few of my personal picks. I'm not in sales. I don't get paid when we sell something. I'm not trying to push anything. It's just how I feel personally doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong. I suspect we camp differently is all
Question. Any chance of you reviewing a INTECH RV? I’ve been looking at them recently and was wondering what you think of them? I’m thinking of buying the OVR Navigate. Thanks Dave. Really appreciate and like your channel!😬
Our salt lake store carries those as you can see here www.bishs.com/rv-search?s=true&manufacturer=intech+rv so it's not impossible But I'm not in Utah often so I don't get my hands on them regularly
@@JoshtheRVNerd that’s OK. I’ve got about three years before I’m gonna buy one anyway I’m waiting till I retire so hopefully you’re able to be out in Utah and maybe make a video that would be awesome.😊
The deal breaker for me in almost all of the newer campers is the fact that they have all gone with the 12v refrigerator. We mostly dry camp here in the west. A 12v fridge is a huge disadvantage. Lots of folks that have them hate them because they are so power hungry. RV Dealers tell you to just add more solar to the roof and more battery storage. That fine if you constantly camp in the sun. We tend to like camping in the trees to keep the camper cooler. Solar panels don't like shade! I also hate to lug around a generator and constantly having to listen to the noise it produces as well as having to lug it around along with gas etc. I want the older propane/120v refrigerator back..........
I 100% respect and appreciate what you're sharing. The way the market changed on consumer fridge demands/trends forced the fridge makers to change their balances which push 2-way fridges into a spot where they just weren't as viable for their makers It left boondockers in a tricky spot as a result
At first, the Alliance Delta Trailers look nice and have some great solutions for storage and other things, but I have noticed, that Alliance might have a great customer service and are very responsive, but lots of complaints about the quality of the trailers. I am in several fb groups from different manufacturers and the Alliance Delta owners complain absolutely the most. There are many simple things that break within the first couple months of ownership or there are waterlines and electric wiring pinched. Screws ripping out of walls, awnings not working and the list is going on and on. We were very interested in a 292RL but after joining some of the Alliance fb groups, we decided to stay put and wait for quality improvements from Alliance. Maybe after a couple years, they will have worked out some of their quality issues and we might consider them again. Good customer service is important, but simple things failing quickly is not a good reference for a quality brand, plus Alliance are very expensive comparing to similar floorplans.
I had the same experience with the 252rl, only in addition to reading the disgruntled owners complaints saw obvious issues on new trailers. Had a super deal on one, but don't want to deal with the problems. Oh, and our comments will probably be deleted. Wouldn't be the first time
I talked to a salesman from a dealership who dropped the contract with Alliance due to too many problems with their products and people were getting mad at the dealership instead of the manufacturer. They simply had enough. He told me several stories of things they had to deal with and I was convinced quickly, that Alliance isn’t my next trailer (unless the really improve their building quality).
I'm curious which groups you're in - not looking to argue or discredit you or anything but rather I like to get real feedback from owners. What I've seen has been different in things like the alliance delta owners group. I've certainly seem some hiccups but usually I see a lot of resolutions as well But perhaps I'm not seeing something?
@@JoshtheRVNerd Hi Josh, I have read comments on the Alliance Delta Owners and on the Alliance RV Owners groups (both groups will delete negative comments/critics/bad experiences as they please to always look good). I am in other brand groups (GD, Jayco, Coachmen Apex, Brinkley) as well and there is no other group complaining about their RVs as much as there are on the Alliance groups. I personally own a Coachmen Apex and sure, we had some minor issues with it, but nothing comparable to the problems some Delta owners have/had. Shelves coming down, random electrical outages, pinched waterlines, glass shattered, decals falling off, doors falling off, and so on. Lots of those things are constructional problems and it shows to me, that there is a need of quality improvements at Alliance. At first, when we visited the first Alliance Delta, a 292RL, we were highly impressed by the product, but after joining those groups, I have read so many bad comments, that we decided to stay away from the Delta trailers for now. The other reason was really the salesman of that former Alliance dealership, who told me various stories they had with Alliance. He confirmed that they are very responsive in helping to find a solution for any problems, but there were too many problems to tackle so the dealership terminated the contract with Alliance. Customers were complaining about the dealership for things, that were Alliance RV issues and it started hurting their reputation. Bottom line for us is the point, that we have a travel trailer that is in great shape with no major issues so far (fingers crossed) and we are just too afraid to jump into the unknown and start having problems we shouldn't have with a new unit. Alliance Delta has some very nice solutions packed into their trailers and I hope, they will eventually resolve the problems right at the manufacturing point before the trailer leaves the plant.
Amazing selection. Some are a bit large for my taste. But if the camper is used for long-term living seasonally (snowbird or a summer out west), then big is good (up to the point it is too big for some parks). I do note that better building structurally is becoming the direction that builders are moving toward (or purchasers are demanding). Noted here in your video is the trend in "Fiberglass" roofing caps - a real plus in longevity. I bought the Ember 191msl for many reasons. Narrow body; 7.5 feet wide, fiberglass body including the roof, giant storge room for all the "junk" we take camping - big enough, but small enough. Yes, the counter space is small and lacks a pantry, and we could use a closet instead of a shower (state parks have showers). But it best fits our needs, so *****'s to the Ember 191msl.
Josh,I’m looking to purchase the Cougar 25fkd when more are readily available and realistically in December when I pay off my current travel trailer and sell privately and would really want to purchase from you BUT is it possible to buy from you and get it to Texas???
Yeah we can do that. I'm not in sales personally if that's what you're asking but we could easily do something like complete the purchase through our coldwater, MI store then have it shipped down to you Whether we ship it from nearby where they are made or the factory ships it to a TX dealer it still has shipping costs so that'll basically wash out
@@JoshtheRVNerd I'm not familiar with 'road armor' -- is that another type of suspension system? Better than leaf springs? As good or better than Torsion? I guess I'll have to resarch more--thanks!
Hi JOSh , I purchased a 24 Rockwood 2608BS, ( your opinion please) .....the dealer is charging me a delivery fee $1489 and a prep fee $1389 Do you think this is normal amongst most dealers? I Understand that its each dealer's choice just wanted your input thx Dave Queenstown MD
So here's the thing • There is cost required to get an RV shipped to a store • There is cost required to get the RV ready It's a matter of how the dealer chooses to present this information to a customer that defines them and their practices I think. I personally dislike when these fees are presented AFTER the sale price because it feels like you're being suckered in only to find out that's NOT the price What you need to do is shop around and compare the TOTAL OUT THE DOOR PRICE after taxes, after tags, and before down payments or anything are factored in. That'll tell you where the best deal is coming from. Here's an entire video to help you better understand and navigate this: ruclips.net/video/06C2SlpvKOY/видео.html
It is nice to see the long awning, but the front window needs to go away. The top bunk needs to be removable, per my husband. I would like to see both of them removable. Glad to see the cable connection is NOT under the water hookups.
@JoshtheRVNerd Sorry, I forgot this was in the compilation video. The Surveyor with the murphy bed and bunks. Only the bottom bunk flipped up. I would like to see them completely removable like the Ember's do. You are right, the only time that front window us useful is when the murphy bed is down. I like to sleep in as much dark as possible. A window doesn't help with that at all. My husband likes front windows on other models, but I'm not a fan. Not only for what I have mentioned, but it seems a problem point in the trailers maintenance. My sister has had her trailer, a GeoPro, for a year and already has a Crack in the front window. Would be nice if a trailer company put a front window they would put a flip down/up protection panel on. You know, like back in the old days.
That's more of a conversation relating to your personal preferences and tolerances. There's no specific definition of what makes any rv full time friendly
Obviously super fun and I've got camera on all but one of them now (missing the 165VIEW from the FSX series) That 24VIEW has had me thinking more than once. Just not sure if that's the route I'd go quite yet
@@JoshtheRVNerd Actually a consult at this point would be perfect. Logistics with a special order with a probable trade in and some of your experienced input. Fill out the contact form and ask for a consult with Uncle Josh?
Apologies as mentioned I'm not available for direct assistance currently. I'm piled up with work and also working thru some family health items and a recent death in the family just outside of work. I have to ask you to meet a member of our team and give them the opportunity to assist you right now
And that's perfectly fine. I don't censor the comments section and welcome people to share how they feel. The records on things like Imagine are pretty excellent but I do also understand someone who feels a way about a company in general and respect it. As always I'm simply sharing what I find and how I feel while welcoming others to share their views like you've done (and thank you btw)
Love the Cougar 22MLS as well, however if you are over 5'7 tall, you will bump your head on the bulkhead of the slide out when you are using the stove. Really bad feature that ruined it for us, my husband is 6'2".
DON'T EVER change Uncle Josh!! WE LOVE ❤️ 😍 you just as you are!! 😊❤
you got it :)
We just bought the Minilite 2516s after drooling over it at the Detroit RV show a year ago. We're loving the big bedroom.
It's such a good model. If you visit again, then swing thru and say hello! I'm usually there most days
I have a serious question that will sound teenager, but it’s a reality. I love that layout, but can the bed slide take a combat cuddling? Same question on noise from outside inside? That’s the most PG way I can say it.
Thank you for including the Touring Edition 21MRK in your list!
Yes! That is one of the RV’s near the top of my list.
You bet! Thank you for improving that bathroom!
I didn't see the full video tour link for the Ember in the list. Did I overlook it? I really like the Ember RVs.
Love the Cougars!
O.M.G. you don't make it easy! I loved them all! Perfect for me as a single traveler and easily most are great for heavy half ton deisel truck!
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I like the Imagines. And the Alliance. But I also thought they were all very nice. Thank you Josh I loved how you grouped them. Great job Josh! Very well done! Josh! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
TY Sherri! If you had to pick one, then what would it be?
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Probably the Alliance.
Coachmen Freedom express 252rbs or 274rks are my current favorites. Full outdoor kitchens make them the top of the list for me.
Good choice!
My wife and I are looking at the Rockwood mini lite 2511s. With the power pack option you get 1000 watts solar, 460 amp battery. Bedroom is separate from living space. Under 26 feet long. Looks so good to us. Thanks for a great video!
Rockwood is an excellent brand I hold in pretty much the highest of esteem. That's a solid choice right there
That was our pick in 2020 but the weight and length was just too much for my Frontier😬so we picked up our 2021 2205S with theater seating in August of 2020 and have loved it ever since, even though it pushes the truck to it’s limits👍
IMO the KZ Connet SE 241RESE is a good choice for a couples travel trailer. Really enjoy your clips and videos!! It's your unique squecky voice, puns, and laughing at yourself that makes you standout over the other basic regular RV videos .....keeps me always coming back! Keep up the great work!!
I wish we had more KZ in our lineup. I get to see so little of them. I'd be curious to go thru a bunch
We love our 2021 22 mls. Added 200 watt Solar and travel annually from Tn west to wonder around, fly fish and visit our kids in CO….
Nice!! That must’ve been JUST before solar became standard
The Zamp ready package was on the trailer . Just added the panels. Only bummer the controller won’t handle lithium. Our 2 flooded 27s handle our needs. Plus gas generator. Love reading your stuff. I used you when adding my solar.
I'm glad you are posting these. I want to get a midsized truck and a camper I can take out some weekends on longer trips and these are hitting an itch that needs scratched. You are saving me tons of time, because there are so many options out there it is overwhelming. Although it looks like this list is a bit out of my length and weight limits and wants, it's nice to get some things narrowed down easily rather than spend hours upon hours browsing brochures and doing searches.
I have a video coming specific to mid-size trucks actually! Stay tuned!
@@JoshtheRVNerd Oh I'm looking forward to that. I am planning to get a Honda Ridgeline in the next month or two and it can tow up to 5k which is fine for me. I want something that 19-20 foot max, easy to tow and get in and out of places. I'm subscribed so I'll be watching soon after you post lol
252Surveyor is my pick. Love those c's.... Carry Capacity Cargo
Surveyor is a brand that doesn’t get the credit it deserves I think
On the MiniLite, I would LOVE ❤️ to have the front kitchen window open from both ends, that would be so AWESOME! ❤😊
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Excellent grouping Josh! Thank you for ALL you do! Interesting that I noticed the Ember 21MRK has bigger gaps on the side of the Murphy bed than they used to. Still better than every other manufactures Murphy Beds though! Made notes on a few of these, as they seem excellent! 😊
Ty Erin!
Thank you for your continued interest in our 21MRK!
We have a Cougar 30rkd which I loves as a couples camper but it is almost 35 feet long. Travel mode you can access everything and the theater seat is right in front of the 50 inch tv and the fireplace. A separate bedroom and you don't have to walk through the bathroom to get to the bedroom!
I really really like that one actually! I'm shocked nobody else has really copied that kitchen/living setup!
I like the Imagine 22 MLE because they do the bed area best.
2025 Cougar 25FKD is my top pick. Love your videos!
It’s so good
Love your videos, Josh!! Very informative and have guided us in our camper purchases. We just made our third camper purchase- it’s a Forest River Vibe 2500SP. It’s a very unique floor plan! Would love it if you can make a video tour of it. We can’t find any videos of it out there. We discovered it at the RV Show in Hershey, Pa in September. Thank You!
That is awesome! Just went thru that model recently and got footage. Cool rig!
Love all the rv on the list today! Thank you josh!
Our pleasure!
In the Imagine XLS line I think we are up to four that all have a GVWR of 6995 lbs. The issue for us then became one of cargo capacity. Due to the larger 23LDE and 24BSE having much higher dry weights you lose 400 - 750 pounds of cargo capacity compared to the slightly smaller 22MLE and 22RBE. This capacity difference isn't s big deal for short outings to nearby state parks or campgrounds but can make a big difference on longer trips of a couple of weeks or more. While we loved the 23LDE floorplan when we were looking for a new trailer the higher capacity of the 22MLE gave it the edge.
We didn't care for the Cougar 22MLS because of the lack of bedside drawers, the bedside carpet and front window. It is also on the heavier side, not a bad thing, so doesn't have the cargo capacity of some of its competitors. We also don't like the Stable Steps. Not only do they take up more space when using them in a parking lot they do not adapt well to rustic campsites. If they got rid of the carpet which would allow them to install drawers and optioned regular foldout stairs it might have been higher up on our list.
We both really liked the front kitchen with rear bedroom trailers we saw when searching for a new trailer. If it hadn't been for the loaded tongue weights of most pushing into 3/4 ton territory we probably would have gone that route.
A little off topic but somewhat related. We still aren't fans of instant hot water heaters as most, not all, can't be used in freezing weather due to no anti-freeze protection while traveling thus shortening our camping season. We also didn't think the water temperature was as consistent as the tank style. After experimenting a bit we found a way to keep the water temperature at the shower head more consistent by not using the cold water to set the temperature. Instead we set the temp at the thermostat and only turn on the hot water when in the shower. So I will give the tankless a thumbs up in this regard.
Any topic is a fine topic here! TY for sharing! :)
I've noticed Imagine does tend to have "minimal" cargo ratings and lower GVWR's pretty regularly though I've seen them address that on a few models over the past year or two
I saw an RV out west this past weekend that was a 32ft model with a super slide with less than 700lbs of available cargo from empty.. that's just dumb
Would love to see more dinette at the back with huge windows covering the entire back and sides. Sorta like the bullet 1900rd. Thanks youare the best!! Eileen
As long as an RV has a ladder, 200 watts of solar for the 12V fridge, Goodyear tires, theater seating, a TV, fireplace, oven, porcelain toilet, shower door and decent vent fan, and no outdated “Denny’s” diner booth dinette it would make a perfect couple’s camper for me😂
That’s a pretty broad list. Could you be more specific? 😂
@@makeupyourmindinator I hope that one day we will never see a another cheap plastic toilet, shower curtain, Dollar Store 4” fart fan, a blank wall where a TV should be, only 1 pitiful propane tank and a dinette only floorplan ever again in an RV😂🤣😂
Fred Flintstones most economics RV trailer package.?
I really like when you compare 4-6 campers. Wish you would do this with small 5th wheels
I think I can swing that. Give me a little time
I like the Freedom Express 274rks!
That's actually a floor plan I helped create :)
Great video. Thank you! You gave the Grand Design Imagine 22MLE an honorable mention which is good as (from our perspectives) it trumps most of these (except possibly the Imagine 23LDE and the Cougar 22MLS :) in layout and design with winning features such as camp side dinette and windows which is a much more amazing feature than people realize.
We will definitely give both the Imagine 23 LDE and the Cougar 22 MLS a close look.
Thanks for all you do.
The MLE is a monster without question. I just _personally_ happen to like the 22MLS a little myself
But I'd never turn my nose up at the MLE
My personell pick is Tiffin 32SA Motorhome
That Cougar is a real winner. No doubt about it.
I feel like they still don't get the credit the deserve for travel trailers
@JoshtheRVNerd can you do a review on the Forest River IBEX 23RLDS and how they offer a "Beast Mode" upgrade
I'll keep an eye out for one. We have an ibex store nearby but I don't see one in stock
21MRK Now add in a fiberglass roof. Who could compete? I understand, they might not want to change to fiberglass. But I think it is an interesting thought.
Thank you for your feedback!
I could see it.. ABS on touring edition would add some cost but also make sense
Great choices! Love that Delta 252RL. I like the 2516S, but actually prefer the 2515S. Although you have to trade off a camp queen, and some counter space. But you gain a rectangular shower!
Yessir!
How about couples-only 5th wheels? Is it coming down the pipe? Preferably 3/4 ton towable. 11.5k lbs and under.
I think I do have something like that coming..
Josh, I am a traveling construction worker. Would love to see a video where you might cover some rvs that would fit that life style
I just left a message for someone else with a similar request. First thing I would mention is RVs are not houses and despite all the claims by some mfgs none of them are built to be lived in 365 days a year
But it can be done. owners need to be more diligent about upkeep to help offset the frequency of use.
I think I'd recommend looking at an rv with better tires and suspension. Those tend to be brands more focused on a better ownership experience with features in line with the type of use you're considering.
Good suspensions help keep things from rattling apart when traveling between jobs
I like the Keystone Cougar 22mls . I also like the Grand Design Imagine 22 that you gove a honorable mention .
good rigs! TY
Love your video reviews and thoughts on different RVs. I'm wondering if you've ever or in the future will do a video on your thoughts of the RV industry as a whole today. Specifically the quality of the RVs the manufacturers are putting out and the way they handle warranty issues. I've heard some really horror stories and it is scaring me away from getting an RV as I'm getting closer to retirement and want to get an RV to see the country.
I touch on topics like that monthly in my industry update series. Also about once a year I put out a video with my general impressions of the state/quality of the industry as I've encountered it
Love the idea and suggestion!
22 MLS Cougar; convertible dinette, I would be working remotely and need two monitors and computer workspace. Still my favorite
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Slides are always an issue especially if you do any overnights that are not where you can use them. Also I really want two separate dedicated sleeping such as twins or a trifold sofa or loveseat I also despise folding mattresses on the main bed.
Hey, would it be possible to charge house batteries by the same mode as vans when you are moving, I mean use the trailer tires as you travel charging the batteries. Lots of vanlifers are adding this as a mod or newer ones having it factory installed?
Own a 22MLS. But if and when I upgrade I will go for the 25FKD. Thanks Josh!
I haven't recorded it yet but the updates to the 25FKD since my first prototype are awesome
I really like what Salem/ Wildwood did with the 22mls floor plan but I agree with putting the Cougar above it on this list.
I'm glad a RW MiniLite made the list (I own a 2507s), but prefer the 2515s over GD's version even though the kitchen isn't as good. Also, I prefer trailers closer to 25 ft, so all the bigger ones on the list were ignored. Lol.
That 2515S has been a break out star for sure!
I have to agree, the 22MLS is one I keep coming back to, mostly because of that freestanding dinette option, along with the 25RDS (I'd have to rip out that U dinette though, bit of a project) and the 260MLE 5th wheel as a premium option with the pull out table. I just wish more couples campers offered that freestanding option in a smaller footprint, I get why the RV manufacturers don't often like dealing with too many options but to me it seems worth it for the dinette swaps.
What if that 25RDS had something like a rear wall dining bar + chairs & perhaps a few outlets for something like a laptop?
@@JoshtheRVNerd if there was room for a permanent set of dual monitors, maybe! My current plan is to get something with a freestanding dinette, toss it, and put my existing desk from home in there but I'd be happy to find a move in ready solution too! I know some exist but they're still rare to find, especially for floorplans I prefer.
Lot of folks in groups I see asking how others have set up multi-monitors. It's good input
We love our 2022 Cougar 25RDS. The campsite and rear views are fantastic. We really liked the 22MLS too but wanted more room for a guest to stay which the big dinette provided. We also like the bigger bathroom, the fireplace, and the 50 amp service. We liked the Imagine 23LDE but it is only 30AMP, seems to have lighter axles, smaller tanks, less cargo capacity, lower ceilings, smaller stove, and no fireplace.
Things I would change in our 25RDS, solid surface countertops, shelves instead of hanging space in bedroom closets, increase kitchen cabinet drawer length an inch or 2, ours are only 14.5” inside and there seems to be room to make them longer.
I want nerd preferred narrow body couples campers 7-7.5’ wide. Think newer midsize towable.
I have something coming soon you might like with a few of those
Ember overland series might fit those width specifications. Note Ember says 8 feet wide, but the 191 series body is only 7.5 feet (the tires are outside this width a couple of inches as is the awning frame (so Ember posts the specifications as 8 feet), But you can see past the body with standard pickup truck mirrors in the towing position.
Awesome reviews
wow ty
Hello Uncle Josh 😊! I like this Imagine, your #8 pick, the bathroom sold it for me! ❤
I also like a rear bedroom ❤ Great job my friend!
I hope you liked the "Bird Nerd" t-shirt and mug, my phone died after 9 years, had to get a new one, so I am now catching up.
Hug your daughter and your wife for me and of course, your doggie McGillicuty ❤
Take care Uncle Josh
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9 years?! I'd say you got your money's worth!
The Bird Nerd stuff had me laughing! It was super kind TY so much
I actually have your card sitting on my desk in my office :)
I’d like to see some under 30’ 1/2 ton towable big back window with recliners under the rear window
I will see what I can find
Josh, you may need to hide your love of cougars from your wife 😂. Great work as always!
You're not the first to suggest it lol
Just went to check out the Couger 22 MLS. I'd prefer the table and chairs, but I'm thinking I'd like to leave the one bench seat and get the free standing table and 2 chairs. I do like this one but there are a few others I feel might be a bit better fit for me. When I figure out which one it is ill let know. Thanks for the links.
Those half-and-half dinette setups can work pretty nicely. I could see it
Do you ever show smaller light weight 5th wheels. For couples. Like 30-32’ and around 6000lbs. I like the layouts of the pull behinds but prefer to pull 6th wheels over pull behinds.
Outside of specialty "egg camper" style builders 6,000lb FWs essentially don't exist so I wouldn't really have options to display for you.
FWs are taller, heavier, and require more structure. That puts them beyond a 6,000lb range pretty much immediately
Good video Josh, since I'm not really interested in travel trailers. The question that occurs to me. IS Ember going to ever make fifth wheels?
It's likely they will in time. I've not seen or heard anything of it yet
I'd love to see them made 3-4 models in the 30-32ft range
Thank you for your interest! Ember is very, very interested in fifth wheels. When it happens (and it’s only a question of when), you know that Josh will have the video first!
@@EmberRecreationalVehicles Since I'm a few years out from buying one, I'm looking forward to saying them.
Josh, you include "laminate" in the trailer category. What other kinds of construction are there, and where do the laminate trailers fall on the list of quality builds?
There are the conventionally constructed trailers commonly referred to as stick and tin. RVs with fiberglass skins are generally lumped together under laminated construction, although technically that’s not always completely accurate.
@ and the laminate construction is more expensive, right?
I like the Rockwood Minilite except for the mirrored closet doors. I think the doors look cheap. The Grand Design Imagine XLS 23LDE got my attention.
Awesome Ty for watching!
Check out the Jayco 2024 White Hawk 26FK for couples. It’s absolutely amazing, bright, spacious, storage galore, pet friendly with no grates on the floor.
Great model! Here's a few others with similar layouts and no floor vents:
► Heritage Glen 270FKS ruclips.net/video/_aGhVdG2Wdg/видео.html
► Freedom Express 259FKDS: ruclips.net/video/hzvx0UFU-c8/видео.html
► Surveyor 268FKBS: ruclips.net/video/YFyXzIJtcGQ/видео.html
And a video to the white hawk in question:
► White Hawk 26FK: ruclips.net/video/ynuQ2pqt_1I/видео.html
@@JoshtheRVNerd thank you, I will definitely check all of these out.
Thank you for this review, but I'm still partial to our Apex 293rlds for a couples camper. It provides a similar layout to a 5'er, but at less than 30 feet.
That is a great model but for clarity that RV is 34ft long in total. The model number of an RV doesn't typically denote its actual length
Thought I would share in the event you find yourself hunting a parking space that won't fit your RV & spare you the trouble
@@JoshtheRVNerd yeah, I understand my number doesn't include the tongue.
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Hard to beat Cougar but Rockwood is really close. Thank you Josh!
Rockwood is never the wrong answer really
Cougar has some of the nicest floor plans but IMO Rockwood is a better quality trailer. Torflex axles, rack and pinion slides instead of cable slides and no Lippert (Furrion) appliances. I’ve said for years that if the Cougar interior designers moved to Rockwood they would be hands down the best trailers at the price point.
I'd really like to see what Alliance Delta could come up with in the 22 - 24 foot lengths.
That could be cool!
Just saw your nerd approved logo on some ember literature, very swanky my man!
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Does any manufacture support holding tanks for travel with full tanks like alliance, or are they it?
Brinkley does that as well but to my knowledge those are the only two in the towable world who openly say "yeah it's fine"
Is Rockstaff ever going to make a 22MLE or 22MLS? Love that floorplan but would like to stay with Rockstaff.
lol I've been saying it for three years. But comments like this actually help grease the wheels. Send this comment in a screenshot to them now
Your pick is going to be a Cougar because I always see a twinkle in your eye when you show a Cougar...doesn't matter if it's a 5th wheel or small trailer.
lol guilty. I am a fan of what they do
I need one of these serious for under 31' toy haulers please.
I'll see what I can whip up but I don't want to over promise - I don't see a ton of haulers typically and may not be able to properly populate a list like that
I’ve been really fixated on the slide mechanism. I want low maintenance and super reliability. Currently in our EPRO 19FD no slide… but if I do a slide I don’t want a headache. I’m sure I’m not alone in this. What is the most reliable slide system for this size trailer: 23-29’ mid grade couples trailer?
Rack and pinion slides are generally considered the most reliable by the consumer base
Well there ya have it. Like you, I am still holding out for the 22MLS. I go to the local dealer once a year and sit in the new one just to see it. (Is that creepy) One of these days.
Nah that’s fair. Give us a call when you’re ready
That new Brinkley Model Z 285 will make the list next year!
Quite possibly. I think I recorded this before that came out. I think it's a monster model that I do like quite a bit
@@JoshtheRVNerd same here. Would love to walk through one in person.
285 isn't out yet. Just cause it's new and the manufacturer puts out videos saying how great they are doesn't make it so. Very heavy and much more $.
@@Mike-te1xx Odd, a quick search show that some dealers have them available, one has 14 of them. All manufacturers say how great their trailers are, from what I have seen first hand Brinkley's ( and others ) are pretty darn well put together. Yes, they are pricey.
@@rsmartin68 pre-sales, they arrive late May.
What was the rv behind you at 9:38 with the covered patio?
This one: ruclips.net/video/kWxyRxdUEfM/видео.html
The 240TKR. Hands down the most flex-function thing I've ever seen
I have 1 22MLS question Josh. When is Keystone going to get the heat registers OFF the floors?
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@JoshtheRVNerd Cute! Maybe dig into this w/ the "powers that be" at Keystone??
Hay josh john here ireallly like the cougar 22mle its been my faz cents it came out. Im stuck between embers 21mkk and the cougar 22mle. Both are great couple campers.whats your thought.
I really do like them all. The Cougar 22MLS is my personal favorite among them all but there are excellent qualities to each of them
I'm headed to the Imagine 23LDE. I really like the layout. If you like to have some friends join you(couples) there is a spot for them,
That LDE was really, really well done without question. I love all the counter space. It's THE thing that makes the layout for me
Uncle Josh's #1 pick will be a ROCKWOOD of some type....second choice: a Cougar! Let's see if I'm right....
darn close!
How come you haven’t reviewed the Flagstaff MicroLight 25FBS? Pretty neat design for a couples trailer?
I probably have and you may not realize it. I think you’re referencing the 25FBDS which is the flagstaff number for the Rockwood 2518S you can see here m.ruclips.net/video/dj91Y0B3CGk/видео.html
I had the first review of it ever online. Enjoy
Thanks- yes that’s the one
Eh, so you were thinking about Glazed chicken breast for lunch. No big deal. I love your videos. I love the mistakes in your videos. Don't ever change. Just like DIDIbolter9362 says! We love you exactly as you are.
😆 Ty so much
Thank you Josh for showing the Grand design models, the have been receiving so much negative BS lately, my opinion, they are a great rv and of course im a little bit parcel, I own one, Thanks for adding them.
I appreciate you sharing how you feel and respect how others feel as well. I say with confidence the RVs in this video are the ones I personally have no issues with owning myself
Love watching your reviews. Just a pity you can’t review KZ RVs
I've never had the opportunity to go thru many. Historically they struck me as _the_ bargain basement brand.. *BUT...*
For the past several years I've seen where it looks like they've made some strides to step up and they've certainly piqued my interest. Hopefully some time I get the chance to go thru some if one of our stores adds them to our lineup
"Hemispheritage Glen"!!! Bringing the Nerdism count up to 37!
That's the one!
What kinda truck would i buy for the mini lite
Generally speaking, most many lights are made to work for the majority of half tons though there can be some exceptions.
I saw where you told a guy about the Rockwood Eagle. Why is it not on this top 10?
Apologies could you clarify? Rockwood and Eagle are two completely different things
@@JoshtheRVNerd my mistake. It’s the Eagle we are interested in and wondering why it wasn’t on your top 10 list that’s on RUclips. Thanks
No Winnebago Minnies or Micro Minnies?
I’m a huge fan of the Micro Minnie line. I have a 2306BHS.
The 2630mlrk would be a good candidate for this list.
Oh they're great but the list does focus on my picks for my personal use. Winnebago makes some great rigs but the specific things I myself seek out are usually better accomplished by other brands
Ok Josh, how would the Airstream Flying Cloud pit against this list outside of the doulb/triple price?
I'm not really familiar with the specifics of what Airstream does so I don't feel I'm qualified to weigh in there if that's fair
I was on a GD Facebook page and it was littered with complaints. With their build quality how does Northwood or Outdoor RV not make the list? Furthermore would love to see mini splits being used for energy efficiency and less noise.
This isn't a definitive list of "these are the best rvs in the market." These are the models I personally prefer. Anyone's list could vary
Northwood and ORV are awesome. They don't make the kind of RVs I would use though. So they're not on my personal preferred list
@ why would you not use them? The general consensus is that the vast majority of RV producers are churning out crap. I don’t understand how companies that actually try to produce quality items that are less likely to spend months sitting at dealerships don’t make a preferred list 😵💫. Truly bewildered here 🤨🧐😆
@@calw8217 great question. A few reasons
* They're not commonly available where I live. Accessing the product is more difficult
* They're built for and geared to the idea of a different kind of camping than I tend to enjoy personally. I don't need something heavy duty. I don't need something made for off-grid use. I camp casually and with hookups.
They're built for a style of camping that doesn't fit my style of camping.
Doesn't mean I don't like them. I have video of several on file you can check out. They're absolutely awesome. They're just not for me.
This list is just a few of my personal picks. I'm not in sales. I don't get paid when we sell something. I'm not trying to push anything. It's just how I feel personally
doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong. I suspect we camp differently is all
Do you have info on average ROT on RV and loan Aging? When do 2025 hit lots?
We've had 2025's rolling in for a time now. You can see what we have on hand via our website
Bwaaaaa ha ha......the B(r)east pound for pound!
Yeah that was a genuine moment of shock and "ooops!" on my face there
Question. Any chance of you reviewing a INTECH RV? I’ve been looking at them recently and was wondering what you think of them? I’m thinking of buying the OVR Navigate. Thanks Dave. Really appreciate and like your channel!😬
Our salt lake store carries those as you can see here www.bishs.com/rv-search?s=true&manufacturer=intech+rv so it's not impossible
But I'm not in Utah often so I don't get my hands on them regularly
@@JoshtheRVNerd that’s OK. I’ve got about three years before I’m gonna buy one anyway I’m waiting till I retire so hopefully you’re able to be out in Utah and maybe make a video that would be awesome.😊
The deal breaker for me in almost all of the newer campers is the fact that they have all gone with the 12v refrigerator. We mostly dry camp here in the west. A 12v fridge is a huge disadvantage. Lots of folks that have them hate them because they are so power hungry. RV Dealers tell you to just add more solar to the roof and more battery storage. That fine if you constantly camp in the sun. We tend to like camping in the trees to keep the camper cooler. Solar panels don't like shade! I also hate to lug around a generator and constantly having to listen to the noise it produces as well as having to lug it around along with gas etc.
I want the older propane/120v refrigerator back..........
I 100% respect and appreciate what you're sharing. The way the market changed on consumer fridge demands/trends forced the fridge makers to change their balances which push 2-way fridges into a spot where they just weren't as viable for their makers
It left boondockers in a tricky spot as a result
At first, the Alliance Delta Trailers look nice and have some great solutions for storage and other things, but I have noticed, that Alliance might have a great customer service and are very responsive, but lots of complaints about the quality of the trailers. I am in several fb groups from different manufacturers and the Alliance Delta owners complain absolutely the most. There are many simple things that break within the first couple months of ownership or there are waterlines and electric wiring pinched. Screws ripping out of walls, awnings not working and the list is going on and on.
We were very interested in a 292RL but after joining some of the Alliance fb groups, we decided to stay put and wait for quality improvements from Alliance. Maybe after a couple years, they will have worked out some of their quality issues and we might consider them again. Good customer service is important, but simple things failing quickly is not a good reference for a quality brand, plus Alliance are very expensive comparing to similar floorplans.
I had the same experience with the 252rl, only in addition to reading the disgruntled owners complaints saw obvious issues on new trailers. Had a super deal on one, but don't want to deal with the problems. Oh, and our comments will probably be deleted. Wouldn't be the first time
I talked to a salesman from a dealership who dropped the contract with Alliance due to too many problems with their products and people were getting mad at the dealership instead of the manufacturer. They simply had enough. He told me several stories of things they had to deal with and I was convinced quickly, that Alliance isn’t my next trailer (unless the really improve their building quality).
I'm curious which groups you're in - not looking to argue or discredit you or anything but rather I like to get real feedback from owners.
What I've seen has been different in things like the alliance delta owners group. I've certainly seem some hiccups but usually I see a lot of resolutions as well
But perhaps I'm not seeing something?
@@JoshtheRVNerd Hi Josh, I have read comments on the Alliance Delta Owners and on the Alliance RV Owners groups (both groups will delete negative comments/critics/bad experiences as they please to always look good). I am in other brand groups (GD, Jayco, Coachmen Apex, Brinkley) as well and there is no other group complaining about their RVs as much as there are on the Alliance groups. I personally own a Coachmen Apex and sure, we had some minor issues with it, but nothing comparable to the problems some Delta owners have/had. Shelves coming down, random electrical outages, pinched waterlines, glass shattered, decals falling off, doors falling off, and so on. Lots of those things are constructional problems and it shows to me, that there is a need of quality improvements at Alliance. At first, when we visited the first Alliance Delta, a 292RL, we were highly impressed by the product, but after joining those groups, I have read so many bad comments, that we decided to stay away from the Delta trailers for now. The other reason was really the salesman of that former Alliance dealership, who told me various stories they had with Alliance. He confirmed that they are very responsive in helping to find a solution for any problems, but there were too many problems to tackle so the dealership terminated the contract with Alliance. Customers were complaining about the dealership for things, that were Alliance RV issues and it started hurting their reputation.
Bottom line for us is the point, that we have a travel trailer that is in great shape with no major issues so far (fingers crossed) and we are just too afraid to jump into the unknown and start having problems we shouldn't have with a new unit. Alliance Delta has some very nice solutions packed into their trailers and I hope, they will eventually resolve the problems right at the manufacturing point before the trailer leaves the plant.
Amazing selection. Some are a bit large for my taste. But if the camper is used for long-term living seasonally (snowbird or a summer out west), then big is good (up to the point it is too big for some parks). I do note that better building structurally is becoming the direction that builders are moving toward (or purchasers are demanding). Noted here in your video is the trend in "Fiberglass" roofing caps - a real plus in longevity.
I bought the Ember 191msl for many reasons. Narrow body; 7.5 feet wide, fiberglass body including the roof, giant storge room for all the "junk" we take camping - big enough, but small enough. Yes, the counter space is small and lacks a pantry, and we could use a closet instead of a shower (state parks have showers). But it best fits our needs, so *****'s to the Ember 191msl.
Back to my comment on KZ, I believe the Connect C261RB is THE best couples camper available
I hope to get the opportunity to go thru a bunch of their stuff sometime
@@JoshtheRVNerd come review ours!!
Josh,I’m looking to purchase the Cougar 25fkd when more are readily available and realistically in December when I pay off my current travel trailer and sell privately and would really want to purchase from you BUT is it possible to buy from you and get it to Texas???
Yeah we can do that. I'm not in sales personally if that's what you're asking but we could easily do something like complete the purchase through our coldwater, MI store then have it shipped down to you
Whether we ship it from nearby where they are made or the factory ships it to a TX dealer it still has shipping costs so that'll basically wash out
@@JoshtheRVNerdawesome! I look forward to doing business with your location and thanks for all the videos and info you’ve given over the years! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Are those leaf springs on the Cougar MLS? :-(
Cougar has always used leaf springs yes. The 2025 cougars use a road armor package on them now thankfully
@@JoshtheRVNerd I'm not familiar with 'road armor' -- is that another type of suspension system? Better than leaf springs? As good or better than Torsion? I guess I'll have to resarch more--thanks!
Hi JOSh , I purchased a 24 Rockwood 2608BS, ( your opinion please) .....the dealer is charging me a delivery fee $1489 and a prep fee $1389 Do you think this is normal amongst most dealers?
I Understand that its each dealer's choice just wanted your input thx Dave Queenstown MD
So here's the thing
• There is cost required to get an RV shipped to a store
• There is cost required to get the RV ready
It's a matter of how the dealer chooses to present this information to a customer that defines them and their practices I think.
I personally dislike when these fees are presented AFTER the sale price because it feels like you're being suckered in only to find out that's NOT the price
What you need to do is shop around and compare the TOTAL OUT THE DOOR PRICE after taxes, after tags, and before down payments or anything are factored in.
That'll tell you where the best deal is coming from.
Here's an entire video to help you better understand and navigate this: ruclips.net/video/06C2SlpvKOY/видео.html
@@JoshtheRVNerd
Really appreciate your response. I enjoy watching your most informative videos and love your great sense of humor ! Thank you so much
Do like that Alliance.
It's sharp. I like how they really involve customer input
@@JoshtheRVNerd that is huge!
24:14 HR may have something to say, but Sigmund Freud said it first! Also,I think we may have been twins separated at birth. 😅
that was a rare moment of genuine shock on my face
This is a Murder Hoboberer's Row of couples campers!
hahahaa
I like #8.
👍🏻
It is nice to see the long awning, but the front window needs to go away.
The top bunk needs to be removable, per my husband. I would like to see both of them removable.
Glad to see the cable connection is NOT under the water hookups.
Not sure which rv you’re referencing but Ty for watching
@JoshtheRVNerd Sorry, I forgot this was in the compilation video. The Surveyor with the murphy bed and bunks. Only the bottom bunk flipped up. I would like to see them completely removable like the Ember's do. You are right, the only time that front window us useful is when the murphy bed is down. I like to sleep in as much dark as possible. A window doesn't help with that at all. My husband likes front windows on other models, but I'm not a fan. Not only for what I have mentioned, but it seems a problem point in the trailers maintenance. My sister has had her trailer, a GeoPro, for a year and already has a Crack in the front window.
Would be nice if a trailer company put a front window they would put a flip down/up protection panel on. You know, like back in the old days.
Which one is the best full time ?
That's more of a conversation relating to your personal preferences and tolerances. There's no specific definition of what makes any rv full time friendly
You should start including the frame making companies in the specs.
Nearly all towable RVs use Lippert frames. If it's something else, then I tend to point it out
I think lippert should hot dip galvanize those frames like boat trailers are done to eliminate any potential for rust.
What about the Salem View series?
Obviously super fun and I've got camera on all but one of them now (missing the 165VIEW from the FSX series)
That 24VIEW has had me thinking more than once. Just not sure if that's the route I'd go quite yet
OK Josh we are getting close to buy time how do I get touch with you. Want to talk through some logistics so we are ready.
I'm not in sales myself and currently available for direct consultation - thankfully we have a whole team here for that at www.bishs.com/contact-us
@@JoshtheRVNerd Actually a consult at this point would be perfect. Logistics with a special order with a probable trade in and some of your experienced input. Fill out the contact form and ask for a consult with Uncle Josh?
Apologies as mentioned I'm not available for direct assistance currently. I'm piled up with work and also working thru some family health items and a recent death in the family just outside of work. I have to ask you to meet a member of our team and give them the opportunity to assist you right now
Sorry if I misunderstood the first message. Wish you and your family the best!
We might need to call Drew Carey, the special presentation of fart fan could be an asset on the Price is Right!
Have to ask, how are ya able to sleep and not wake up reviewing an RV? 😆
I'm game!
Snow? You did not record this video yesterday right?
lol no I did not
I tend to batch record these and likely made it back in Feb
I have great respect for your opinion Josh, but I wouldn't even consider a Grand Design now with all the build quality issues they are having.
And that's perfectly fine. I don't censor the comments section and welcome people to share how they feel.
The records on things like Imagine are pretty excellent but I do also understand someone who feels a way about a company in general and respect it.
As always I'm simply sharing what I find and how I feel while welcoming others to share their views like you've done (and thank you btw)
Love the Cougar 22MLS as well, however if you are over 5'7 tall, you will bump your head on the bulkhead of the slide out when you are using the stove. Really bad feature that ruined it for us, my husband is 6'2".
After the new slide?
@@JoshtheRVNerd we discovered this in a new 2025 we just looked at last Saturday.
Does anyone do two twin beds instead of a queen?
it's super, super rare. Technically there are a few. Here's a sample of one ruclips.net/video/mb0wOUOgWH0/видео.html
22eras is my prediction.
Also didn’t even make the list. Oh no! 😂
lol it IS a super cool model but it's hard to narrow down options sometimes. SOMETHING good has to go