"The Rise of the Radical Left" with Christopher Rufo
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2023
- My guest today is Christopher Rufo. Christopher is a political activist and filmmaker known for his opposition to Critical Race Theory or CRT. He's a senior fellow and director of the Initiative on Critical Race Theory at the Manhattan Institute and he's the author of a new book called "America's Cultural Revolution: How the Radical Left Conquered Everything"
In this episode, we talk about the German philosopher Herbert Marcuse and the role he played in popularizing critical theory. We talk about the legacy of the weather underground. We talk about the admiration that left-wing intellectuals in the 20th century had for Mao and Stalin. We discuss the relationship between Critical Theory and Marxism. We talk about the psychological and emotional appeal of communism. We discuss the effect of the collapse of the Soviet Union on the Western left. We disagree somewhat about the legacy of McCarthyism. We talk about the political leanings of public school teachers today. We talk about the strengths and weaknesses of classical liberalism as a philosophy. We also go on to talk about the teaching of CRT in public schools and much more.
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It must mean that 20 pages may be needed for any atypical aspect in myriad culture pools like US.
Do you have any preference for where your content is viewed (i.e., youtube vs rumble vs elsewhere)?
Rufo doesn't like your kind Coleman.
Don't project your hate onto Rufo.@@geekylove3603
Sadly, wokeness isn't ending... It's just being normalized by California's AB101 ethnic studies requirement written by the Third World Liberation front.
Rufo used to live in my old neighborhood in Seattle. He walked through fire with the local activists here. They picked on the wrong guy.
Where at? I grew up in Greenlake. I remember as a kid, they came up onto my mom's yard and cut up her Slade Gorton election sign. Even then I was like, "Slade Gorton? Really? These people are crazy."
@@davidanderson6055 Chris lived on the "mean streets of Ballard" lol. I haven't thought about Slade Gorton in years.
@@oceania2385 oh yeah, there you go. Ballard is one of the last neighborhoods in Seattle that still feels like old Seattle somewhat, in my opinion. During the Trump years, people would say, "the left is going nuts because of Trump, if it was somebody else they'd calm down." I was like, I remember them cutting up that sign and ripping pro life bumper stickers off my mom's van. You guys don't know how crazy these people are. They're starting to figure it out though.
He's a nob
Rufo is a coward and lar.
The point being made at the 1:18:00 about a consolidation of wokeness within institutions is 100% correct. This is the kind of moment when conservatives tend to get hubris, and Marxians have always relied on that. In Canada, we just had a massive protest for parental rights that challenges gender ideology in the classroom. Gender ideologues who work on curricula in BC schools (and other provinces) were on CBC claiming that gender ideology isn't really a thing, and that it isn't being taught in our classrooms. This is the same deception they attempted with Critical Race Theory described in this video. We need to step up our game, not get lazy and think we've won. We know what they'll do next. We've seen this before. Now is not the time to drop the ball.
Sorry, but gender ideology is not Marxist. Marxism is a materialist philosophy and as such it descends from the Enlightenment
We have only just noticed there is a fight, well the main consciousness I have been railing against these marxist psychopaths enabled by the internet and fascists in the deep state
Poland went over this years ago. They call it "LGBT ideology", not "gender ideology", which basically stands for "queer theory". The ideologues would deflect by claiming that "LGBT are people".
@@stefanbatory3632 and once that name gets old they'll swap it around
Many of the people who talk about the dangers of critical race theory don’t actually know how dangerous it is. This is really annoying.
DON’T frame this stuff as cultural phenomena. They’re not. These are things that can kill. Stop worrying about your kids being indoctrinated when all those “Soros prosecutors” are working on what they learned of a niche theory in their third year Civil Rights Law elective. That is my beef with people like Lindsay and Rufo. This is more important than a mere culture war, but you’re not going to really understand that unless you know the law and how totally antithetical CRT is to British common law (our system).
Slight correction: CRT is not being *taught* in the public grade-schools; it is being *practiced*.
That is because the one it is most definitely not, is a theory.
Look into "fugitive pedagogy" and Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed.
What is CRT to you and why is it a problem if it is *practiced*?
Lindsay also describes it this way, and I agree. The purpose CRT in K-12 isn't teaching it TO the kids, it's putting it into practice ON the kids.
Very disappointing …one of Coleman’s weakest discussions. He seemed woefully unprepared for a topic more fictional than fact. Neither seemed to be familiar with the dark McCarthy era. ‘Twas sad.
Another most excellent resource to learn more about wokeness is James Lindsay. But Lindsay goes way way deeper. I believe Rufo has been described as a person who can communicate the definition and dangers of this Marxist theory in a way all parents can understand. I really appreciate Rufo & Lindsay!!!
Lindsay goes too deep at times. Lol
@@brianmeen2158 you’re right. That’s probably why he has short bulleted versions of the same topics he covers deeply. I still respect the guy.
Lindsays a bit of a bullshitter imo. He babbles and doesn't ground his actual theory. Some of his stuff is ok but there's something with him...hes a bit of a trickster for sure.
Like the marxian thing. He way over generalizes. Maybe he's just a product of how crappy academia actually is. For someone with a ph.d I'm surprised how bad he dumbs down and generalizes but then throws in psychobabble. He doesn't seem to understand the limits of logic and how to apply facts, imo. So then im left just to believe his word that he uses big words correctly. I don't think he understands continental philosophy at all.
There's many aspects to marxism. A lot of the method and analysis is the influence. I would agree there is a there there culturally for example i can see the marxian lineage influencing woke for sure but that is not the totality. So the logical flaw is a part is being use to represent the whole. That's kind of my beef.
Rufo is mad decent in my opinion especially for mapping out the lineage of CRT and being very transparent about his work and rebranding of the term "woke". What's so brilliant is that humans do that all the time with language and he was transparent about it. I would even go so far to say empowering as to how to use language. Rufo is actually post-modern for sure in a good way i think.
Im no expert on Lindsay, but i gave a decent effort and listened to a few shows. I liked his interview with Jordan Peterson actually.
@@patricksullivan1827 You’re correct, but they’re both pretty bad at it. I generally avoid any talk of CRT now, I get so irritated. Look, if the person discussing it doesn’t use Brown v Board as their starting point for CRT’s timeline, they’re not worth listening to. CRT began as a legal theory then made its way into education through a woman named Gloria Larson Billings.
I liked Lindsay more when he worked with Peter Boghossian on the grievance studies hoax and the book they co-wrote How to Have Impossible Conversations. (Phenomenal book!)
Now, while I do agree with much of what he espouses, he has become extreme to the Right. To the point he supports Trump, and to the point that his podcasts and speeches are polemics, screeds with profanity and ire that are 1) much too long (3 hours, often!); and 2) fall into the same pedagogy he despises: indoctrination. He’s okay with indoctrination as long as people listen to him. He doesn’t even resemble himself anymore. It’s very disappointing.
Thanks for the great conversation Coleman!
I unfortunately don't think it's peaked yet, partly because too many people cower rather than stand their ground when the rabid mob come for them.
Seems less people are getting canceled though
Republicans are crazy naive to think it’s peaked.
The masses are more aware of the woke lies. At least most white men are. The women I know seem to lack the bullshit detector. But regardless. As the masses see the the truth it doesn’t matter.
The institutions get more woke daily.
The lefts stranglehold on institutions like schools the internet and entertainment grows every day.
They only need a couple % to be believers if those few are in power.
Most Germans didn’t wanna murder Jewish kids. I’m sure it was the VAST majority.
They went along with it cause they were scared to die themselves.
If history tells us anything it tells us that we will have gulags and mass death before things change.
Yet we are blind to the fast that it can happen here.
I couldn’t imagine schools would teach that boys can become girls.
That would be madness ri say just 10 years ago.
Or that China could unleash a virus that kills millions and we’d not only do nothing but we’d help them hide this fact.
I’d have thought we’d declare war.
Anyone would.
I respectfully disagree. What's different now is that the people who hate wokeness can find each other on the internet, compare notes, and realize that they're not crazy after all. In the pre-internet days, nothing that contradicted the left's awful narrative could be discussed in public without the heretics suffering vicious and life-altering repercussions.
Marxism consists of:
- Marxian economics.
- Marxian history ('historical materialism')
- Marxian philosophy ('dialectical materialism')
- Political organizing
Critical theory (CT) began as a philosophical alternative to Marxian philosophy (1930s). Then, in the 1940s, it presented a radical anti-Western view of history and culture as well. CT topped this off with a political condemnation of conservatism by blaming Fascism on a right-wing mindset (1940s too). Also in the 1930s, a Marxist called Antonio Gramsci wrote about Marxist ideas, ideology and politics. In the late 1960s, critical theory and Gramsci became very influential on the Left. CT entirely dispensed with economics, detailed history, and political organizing. It became an anti-Western philosophy and culture critique.
Although modern wokes call themselves critical theorists (e.g. critical race theory), their ideas are largely due to victim culture, identity politics, and postmodernist, subjectivism.
Q: Why do the elites love woke? What's in it for them?
A: Woke culture is postmodern, subjectivist and victim-mongering. Wokes divide the world into 3 groups of people: victims, allies, and perps. Wokes describe the world from a subjectivist, victim, mindset of "lived experience". This subjectivist mentality refuses to be questioned. Call them out, and they will label you a transphobe, homophobe, Fascist, or a "White" (even when you're black)!!
Although allies are not victims, they can speak for victims by learning and reciting victim philosophy: critical race theory, gender studies, feminism, climate crisis, anti-Westernism, ...
By framing themselves as 'allies', the elites get to reason and policy-make using the same subjectivist mentality of truth is what's good for victims. This let's them make it up as they go, because this victim truth does not need to be true; it merely needs to feel true to the victim or ally reciting it. Any critique of "my truth" (victim truth) is automatically ruled out as the narrative of POWER, perps, fascists, transphobes. In a nutshell, buying into woke, means you put yourself on a victim pedestal where you can never be wrong - even when you explicitly lie. Elites love that.
These people make such a deservice to themselves by trying to marry post-modernism and critical theory to marxism.
You can just look at Foucault, Derrida, Baudrillar, Bataille.. to see. These guys are not marxists, they are nietzschean.
Not only that but they despise the prior generation of academia for being marxists.
Who taught a baboon how to use the internet?
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@@romper4444 I write these comments for myself. To organize my own thoughts. So they're often distilled, or pared down.
How do you know that it’s not just a distraction?
Excellent conversation, thank you! I just got an email from our Regional Leader about the hiring goals for women and “POC”. These quotas are obviously discriminatory and illegal, yet many companies still get away with them.
Got fired from a top tech company for saying that preferential hiring based on sex and ethnicity is not only immoral but illegal.
@@txdmskFile a retaliation claim.
@@txdmsk 😂😂😂 lmaooooo what a fu##ing joke
Sorry you had to deal with them bro 🤙
Kinda like how America was for most of their history
@@iamme4494 Yep, it was wrong then and it’s wrong now.
Hasn’t even got close to peaking, none of these ppl are being fired or going away.
That’s the problem - as long as Ibram Kendi and the other race hustlers have influence and status in universities, corporations and mainstream media - their ideology isn’t going anywhere.
A couple have been fired but basically not.
Really interesting conversation. Thank you!
Rufo's point about the right letting down its guard after the fall of the soviet union, has an interesting comparison I. The alphabet soup mafia in that when equal rights were won, the LGB kinda drifted away and got on with life. This allowed the T & Q to take over, and so here we are
Excellent conversation gentlemen.
At 1:16ish when Coleman and Chris reminisce on the denial of the existence of CRT in schools. I have to add that it can not be dismissed that it was not just a tactical agument made by those protecting the ideology but also a profound linguistic disconnect caused by addressing the dynamic as "CRT" the same term of which a quick Google search instructed them that CRT was a Law theory. Making it easy for so many people to be Bamboozeled.
Oh my goodness I’m envious of your ability to be succinct in your writing.
CRT has fundamental axioms, which are being taught as the truth in grade schools. That’s the distinction. The public schools aren’t teaching a complex legal theory, they’re teaching the set of misguided beliefs that undergird it.
@@nancydelvalle7728Was that sarcasm?
"CRT" aka Black History and telling the truth about America's brutal racist history, is and should be taught in schools.
Thanks~ helpful and insightful conversation
I am thankful people like Chris exist
Half way through, you two have put together one of the finest video explications to date. Great stuff.
thanks for this. it was very informative.
You know it's a great conversation when everyone's intelligence increases, including mine, by the end of the video. "Iron sharpens iron," as the biblical line goes. Thanks for a thought-provoking conversation.
Don’t blame me, I read Pinker’s Enlightenment Now - in full - before Covid and 2020. 🤷🏻♂️ May 2020 I was on record reminding everyone how bad of an idea defund the police was.
defund the police is not a thing, it is a poor "slogan" for the concept that not every issue needs a gun. Yes, you can find some crazies that want to get rid of police, but the vast majority just want less "enforcers" and more people handling issues with talking.
Does Pinker still think the universities can be salvaged?
@@itoibo4208 Defund was enough of a thing to wreck public perception, police policy, and end proactive policing. Enough changes to result in thousands more deaths above base levels and destroy communities.
oh the world is ending! fire is raining from the skies! boohooo!!! I doubt anything you said is remotely true.
@@itoibo4208 LOL it is called statistics and it is available for you to research, on-line, for free. The only cost to you is some hard work and brain power. Too much to ask for, I suppose. 😆
A truly enlightening and great discussion. Thank you.
This is an episode Coleman needed more than the audience
I think Coleman is on a journey. He had a lot of woke qualities to him, but I think (I hope) less and less.
I hope he learned from the discussion, and keeps thinking about these topics.
He certainly was a brilliant kid. Being 27, maybe I should start to call him a brilliant young adult. Just a few years ago he was at an age where being a bit stupid about certain things was cute. I haven't caught him RED-handed (get it? because communism = red? oh man) about stuff recently.
Excellent conversation between two informed and articulate young men. Thanks!
Thank you, both.
This is a terrific conversation!
I'm now reading Rufo's latest book. Excellent and very informative! Highly recommended.
Love this podcast great guest
Angela Davis is still alive today, lest we forget how recent all of this is.
EDIT: I love the intellectual honesty we always receive from Coleman and his guests.
Former California Governor Ronald Reagan once vowed that Angela Davis would never again teach in the University of California system. Today she is Distinguished Professor Emerita in the History of Consciousness and Feminist Studies Departments at the University of California, Santa Cruz.
@@enshrinehd And, while I have no very great love for Reagan himself, what a tragedy that this dangerous and evil woman is so powerful.
Thank you both.
The solution to the “hairstyles” problem, I think, is via parents, the PTA and through students themselves interacting with parents and the school. Parents must show *integrity* and “risk” being filmed or put on the internet or whatever. Integrity is about saying what you feel, what is just and right, what is useful, and not being afraid that a bad actor will smear you with it. Integrity shows that whatever you said or motioned towards was and will always be salient regardless of however the “silly internet” may decide to react.
In a group of 50-60 people (class of 25-30, each student having a mom and dad) there is bound to be multiple vile busybodies who would definitely at least drop an e-mail claiming you being racist to your employer if you spoke up.
That is guaranteed.
Let's say your school has a "girls code" event, and you make a complaint in your class' facebook group about your son being discriminated against -> bye, you are unemployed now.
Is it just me, or has Rufo had a bit of a glow up intellectually? If he's a grifter he's one hell of an articulate and well-read one.
He and Ben Shapiro are highly educated, intelligent, literate men. That doesn't make their opinions and philosophies correct.
@@JustMeeZZ Agreed.
@@JustMeeZZ Thanks for pointing out the obvious about any intellectual, including the ones Rufo criticizes.
@@kenhiett5266 You're welcome! I'll be here all week.
Rufo is doing important work - I just don’t think the changes he’s making in the Florida school
System will have much effect.
Thank you for a great episode.
Thomas Sowell uses the term “ anointed ones”
1. They create a crisis 2. They make a solution ( they have no empirical data that it has worked and they have no intention to analyze the solution)
3. They just deflect any concept that the solution could have different consequences than they claimed it would make.
4. It’s amazing that they have no skin in the game and when it fails seems to deflect.
Very grateful for your guest and you and the work you do.
With regard to any party affiliation,(communist party) , that idea cuts both ways…. at some point it could be used against another party’s ideology
Chris is right about the codification of the curriculum. You give clear measurables in each subject and you carry out random audits. Plus you create parental feedback avenues.
So go right ahead and teach as much woke stuff as you want but meet those measurables or you are out of a job. Turns out you won't be able to do both because there won't be enough time in the day.
We live in inverse McCarthyism right now.
you might consider having a conversation with nick cruse from revolutionary blackout network or the guys over at midwestern marx, might help balance out some of the discussion.
Rufo is so important for America, especially in this day.
“The Power of Negative Thinking” would be a perfect title for a book by a Woke motivational speaker.
Yeah if you only have enemy images of the left and have turned your enemy into a cartoon villain with no humanity or nuance. Human beings are reduced to a stereotype. Wow how ethically superior of you. Lol
Don’t forget to add the Power and Financial Success of the Grievance Industry Complex
Parts of this conversation are quite interesting. But once the conversation gets to McCarthyism the right wing ideologue side of Rufo comes out. Would have liked to see Coleman push back more here.
Coleman is a neolib. You need a true hammer and sickle communist to spot a right wing fascism-curious Mccarthy apologist. :P
Agree. Very disappointing that people still use “Marxist” as a catch all for what they don’t like, and that people still fall for it. Plenty to criticize without creating a complete strawman.
@@tristanbruns5968in another comment you called him a grifter. I don’t see how that is really much different, nobody likes the words their enemies have for them. Semantics is the lowest form of argumentation.
@@soulfuzz368 I don’t understand your argument. You don’t see how WHAT is different?
@@tristanbruns5968 you are disappointed that people use the vague word marxist for people they don’t like but you have yourself a vague word you use for people you don’t like. You are doing the exact same thing. Same approach. Same tactics. You are a hypocrite
0:06: ! The argument is that wokeness has peaked and is now receding, but the guest disagrees and believes that wokeness is actually consolidating within institutions.
6:24: 📚 The video discusses the cultural revolution in America that began in the late 1960s and early 1970s, where left-wing intellectuals shifted their focus from traditional Marxist-style revolution to the domains and transmission of culture.
13:04: 📚 The video discusses the possibility of establishing a utopian society and the importance of the Weather Underground as an example of the move from violent to non-violent left-wing movements.
20:02: 🔍 The video discusses the hypocrisy of certain political figures in justifying the actions of oppressive regimes.
26:50: 🔍 Critical theory is Marxism that has gained self-consciousness and passed through a process of self-criticism to adapt to modern conditions.
33:04: 📚 The speaker discusses the brilliant insights of the person being interviewed, who was a critic of Orthodox Marxism and saw flaws in the Soviet Union and capitalist abundance.
39:55: 📚 The video discusses the differences between hierarchical and communist societies.
46:37: 🔑 The victory of the Cold War was an unintended and catastrophic event, with efforts to suppress Marxism and communism causing injustice and hindering free speech and association.
52:48: 🗣 The speaker discusses the defensibility of violently overthrowing the United States government and aligning with Soviet Communists.
59:07: 📚 The video discusses the issue of institutional neutrality and the influence of public school teachers in the United States.
1:05:30: 📚 The video discusses the importance of representing different cultures in educational materials.
1:11:54: 📚 The video discusses the debate surrounding the teaching of Critical Race Theory (CRT) in schools.
1:18:34: 🔁 Wokeness may have receded in intensity ideologically, but it has consolidated within institutions, posing a challenge for those on the political right.
Recap by Tammy AI
"Wokeness may have receded in intensity ideologically, but it has consolidated within institutions, posing a challenge for those on the political right." Not just those on the right; anyone who's tired of CRIME. The Floyd hysteria is when wokeness became fully dangerous in the real world of public safety.
As I always say, community and accountability DON'T SCALE.
Great podcast, guest and host.
Really interesting. Thank you.
It's great to find a new (to me) podcast about philosophy. Would never have known about this, but for Joe Rogan.
Love Christopher Rufo !!!
A wonderfully informative and provocative podcast. I learned so much about history, culture and the politics of several generations. I wonder how accurate his comments about McCarthyism not being as oppressing as we are lead to believe by media and the history that is "taught" to us. Thank You!
Because Rufo is a McCarthyist,
his fake anti "CRT" crusade is a form of McCarthyism trying to paint teaching of America's racist history as "anti-american" which is bollocks.
I have to come back to this
Excellent !
Question. What was the culture of America before the "revolution " at about 6:30 in the conversation?
I think the biggest lesson of raising podcast is that we have ro lean to the right in this moment now when nor if the get to crazy we have to pull to the left you have to understand what side brings more freedom
Would love to see you and Ryan Chapman have a in depth conversation.
This is one if the best episodes. Well done to both hosts. Promote this one!
Technically there’s only one host 😉
I see this claim year after year and yet, it marches on.
I need to know where rufo got his camera from.
Thanks!
Did I hear the sound track of Dune at the beginning of this video?
When will you talk with Norman Finkelstein?
Okay but why is no one talking about the “Dune” background music in the first 30 seconds of the video? Tangerine Dream anyone?
You could do a video on Mark Fisher and hauntology. One way to read his last book, Ghosts in My Life, is as Marxist apologia for the post 1989 period.
When can we have school choices so that teachers will be accountable to the parents? So many families have to pay double tuitions, once through tax and again through private school tuition, in order to send children to a place of learning instead of indoctrination. Many of these families are not rich by any definition, and have to endure financial stress to afford this. It’s worse for families who are stuck with a low quality public school and can’t afford the double tuitions. Where is the “social justice” in this system where freedom of choice is least available to the families who need school quality the most?
Another home run, Coleman.
Great episode, as usual.
"Heaven is not on the menu because of certain aspects of human nature."
- Coleman
"Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made."
- Immanuel Kant
Too bad Kant inspired so many Marxists and other idiots with grand visions for humanity.
I love Coleman Hughes. He is not led away from his principles by the speech of others. 55:09 Despite Christopher Rufo just having sort of equivocated about the injustice of the government discriminating against people based on their political affiliations, Coleman does not begin to waver.
Coleman is spot on about “The Culture of The School Itself” because things cannot get so cray! Either that or the math teachers gotta talk to the social studies teachers and say dawg, you gotta adjust your hairstyle ratios. I attended Pratt Institute from 1998 to 2002 - brilliant school - but the culture of the history department was obviously skewed. My World Civ teacher was basically an anarchist bike-punk and wore t-shirts with “Jacobin” written on them with sharpie. While I appreciate the fact that he was edgy (and I was currently not at all a fan of a George W. Bush in 2000) it was obviously extreme. But it was also obviously attractive if not perhaps, even, seductive. The philosophy department seemed more balanced, thankfully. I was taught a well-mannered course in philosophy of religion at Pratt as well. I cannot speak for the culture of Pratt Institute today, but I can say it is still an absolute banger of an art school. Great school.
Constructive discussion.
So sorry, but you need to change the lens you use to film yourself ... you seem to be using a wide angle lens, which has the unfortunate effect of making your head size inordinately large and disproportionate relative to your torso. Of perhaps it's the placement of the microphone. Not sure exactly what is causing this optical illusion, but it's certainly noticeable. (The effect can be measured: take a look at the amount of space taken up on the screen by the head, and compare it with the total space taken up by the torso, and you'll note the proportions are just wrong.)
FA Hayek was very explicit about the fact that we are the inheritors of two systems of morality, one instinctive, and the other learned... The former is the moral framework of the family, clan, and small village, while the latter is the moral framework of free markets and contract... The suitability of one versus the other is the knowledge we have of those with who we are dealing... The instinctive, familial moral framework is appropriate with intimates, while the morals of markets and contract are appropriate for strangers... Collectivism is appealing because it resonates with our instinctive morals, even when it is utterly unworkable because of the lack of knowledge we have about complete strangers...
Everybody a couple of years ago kept saying “Wake up, sheeple!”
Now that some folks are “woke” they are freaking out.
If not woke, you are asleep, right?
Coleman Hughes is the Christopher Rufo of the American center.
Loved this little chat. Thank you both.
Thanks Coleman.
Just subscribed.
The point about imposing reasonable limits to speech for public employees. There's a reason you are required to take an oath. You cannot work of over throw that which you swore to protect and defend.
55:30 is an atrociously illogical point proffered by coleman
if the government, upon threat of carceral penalty, involuntarily expropriates my wealth by justification of providing me with the supposedly best possible set of prosocial services, then the government obviously has a direct interest in ensuring that those they are paying -- with my money -- to maintain that system are not interested in its destruction. it's not about disavowing hamas or communism per se, for fucking christ's sake. it's about minimising the number of contrary actors who are using my money to work against the express purpose for which the money was taken from me in the first place.
Excellent
I still don’t know from this conversation what is meant by ‘wokeness’: ‘CRT’ and ‘DEI’. These terms are used without definition as if there’s a shared agreement or understanding about what they mean. I appreciate I’m in the. uk and it’s 4am and I’m suffering with flu, and may have missed it, but it’s incredibly frustrating to hear statements like McCarthyism requirements were quaint compared to DEI requirements today (I’m paraphrasing). What’s an example of DEI requirements that’s so pernicious and concerning? Is Coleman’s reference to the number of pages given over to black hair in a culture book an example of bad DEI, wokeness and/or CRT? Are these terms synonymous?
Let me say straight off I’m not advocating for one side or other. My questions come from a place of curiosity and non-judgement.
If I’ve understood the perspectives here, DEI/CRT/wokeness are destroying (or risking the destruction of) the prevailing systems and structures. And this is bad!
I’m reminded however of the movements against apartheid in Africa, slavery, and fight for civil rights. I’m also reminded of the stand against British rule thst led to the birth of the US, the stance against Hitler/Nazism.
All of these were the ‘accepted prevailing systems and structures’ that ultimately were changed.
Isn’t it an essential fact of human evolution that as societies become more complex, we need new systems that are fit for purpose?
Again, I’m not advocating the overthrow of our systems, just curious that somehow our present western (American) systems seem to be sacred, sacrosanct and above challenge.
DEI’s goal is to force equality of outcome by preaching diversity over meritocracy in the workplace, instead of addressing the rooted problems that create the disproportionate representation of certain racial groups in the first place. Ex: company A doesn’t have a % of a certain minority group in its workforce that’s comparable to the % said group in the general population. DEI would deem that as racially oppressive and would push for more diversity while ignoring the pool made up of qualified candidates for these jobs.
CRT is the teaching of an ideology in which the core principle of one’s self is their ethnic or racial identity, and ultimately pits groups against each other in a constant struggle for power.
What do our countries hair styles have to do with different cultures ?
Herbert Marcuse was not explicitly German in the ethnic sense. He was Jewish and so was the Frankfurt School and a lot of others’ who spread this into Universities and into culture. That is something that is left out for some o
And nobody is allowed to discuss why exactly societies across the world have tried time and time again to wipe that particular outgroup off the face of the planet. Stereotypes are just pattern recognition and the patterns have repeated for millennia. It may be a verboten opinion but that particular group is detrimental to every society they exist in, including their own
Well, New College of Florida has. It has plummeted down the rankings.
You mean teaching the benefits of enslaving Africans doesn't attract great students in 2023?
If you're picking an institution of higher learning based on rankings, you're doing it wrong. Much of academia has been captured by ideology and bloated bureaucracies. Thankfully, we have people like Rufo aspiring to a different model.
*Maybe* it’s because Rufo has arrived at his beliefs in a genuine fashion?
Perhaps we can make the distinction between aspects of Identitarian Fundamentalist Leftism and Progressivism. By its very definition, Progressives expand the circle of compassion beyond ourselves, our in-group (chosen or chosen for us), to others in the world, and even other species.
When Leftist fundamentalist identitarians reverse course and simply seek to restrict the circle of compassion to themselves and their chosen in-group, that's not Progressivism, it's a literal regression.
Superb conversation. More viewers needed!
@ 1hr:04min example about culture is a perfect illustration of Berkeley, CA school district, which does not even allow parents to see a PowerPoint presentation on Palestinian culture used by the teachers in middle school, let alone allow Jewish parents to have any say at how Palestinian culture is portrayed by the PowerPoint as being subject to apartheid by Israel which has a 20% Palestinian population with full citizenship rights.
Has wokeness peaked... I wonder if that is the most important question. Has wokeness been institutionalised.
Bingo. And it has. I see a lot of acknowledgement of institutionalization of higher education, but this has invaded corporate america full stop. I work in a client service business. Not only is wokeness built into my company policy, but our largest client (a fortune 50 company) requires all their vendors and suppliers to instituionalize woke policies to keep their business. It's inescapable at the moment.
@@brib_brib_brib_bri And to say that racist black nationalist don’t have institutional power is false. Kendi is a closet racist black nationalist that guise himself as anti-racist with academic institution to promote his FAUX anti-racism. The differences between White Nationalist and Black Nationalist is White Nationalist are far more open on their racism and threat while black nationalist used the platform of social Justice to cloak their racism.
Even in the south it's in every single major corporation. This doesn't go away ever, only gets worse.
@@johnwinchester6934I hear you... I am writing from the UK and it has even entered our institutions here. Lockdowns were a great way for things to enter institutions while everyone was trapped at home and unable to raise objections.
What is "wokeness" in your mind?
I don't think we can underestimate the power of self righteous megalomanic desire to "change the world" . The language of "helping the people" is, and has always been, just a thin veneer covering a type of Godless hubris that has existed in human hearts forever. Vulgar pride.
Why , why is hair style shown or taught in school at all . How you stop it is no hair style in grade , middle , or even high school , period ... Hair style in school what the heck ? Have we all gone crazy ? What does that have to do with learning ? Shouldn't it be taught in Beauty School ? Actually what does CRT have to do with learning ?
Smart men.
The McCarthyism disagreement, btw, was not such. Both consider it bad, one more than the other (for their own reasons). Yet both would also concede that this "disagreement" is reduced to zero when it is placed in the context of left-wing acts of violence, brutral censorship, fanatical indoctrination, etc, etc, then and now.
I just want to know whether the McCarthy period didn't give ammunition to some of the excesses of the 1970s and on up to the idiocy from the woke danger we have now ... Also the McCarthy period was in the late 1940s through the middle 1950s . The radical violence of the 1970s was 10 to 15 years later ...
37:47 this is consistent with Confucius’s ethics of social roles
very proud of Coleman. He is a REAL intellectual having important conversations with serious people searching for actual understanding. we need more thinkers like him.
I agree with Coleman at 55:57 min. and I think Christopher agrees also ...
This conversation would be more honest if a distinction was made between the new idpol "radical left" and the old radical left, which is classically anarchist and solidarity focused, which has a strong critique of the new far left.
Also: these discussions always tend to paint the radical left as hegemonic, as if we all think the same and don't have disagreements on all this stuff. In reality the new left is a small portion of the entire left, and the old radical left is significantly different from the new school.
Sadly too many conversations resort to a cartoon distortion of left politics, painting us with the same broad brush for the purposes to deligitimizing the entire left and pushing their own anti-left agenda.
One-Dimensional Man by Herbert Marcuse is a tour-de-force.
I don't think anyone denies they see race when they say "I don't see race". All it means, is I judge you to be in my life or a part of it, based on your character. On the streets, I will respect all as simply human...until shown otherwise.
Why do imperfect people actually believe they can perfect society?
Most government jobs require an oath to uphold the Constitution. If you are using your position to end the use of the Constitution then you are not upholding the oath.
Senator McCarthy may have been wrong in his methods; but he was absolutely correct about the dangers communists represent to this country. This also happens in Chile today; many Chileans today understand why Pinochet acted like he did...were his methods appropriate? Well, how do you treat enemies who want to destroy your country...?
I've said this on a lot of comment threads in a lot of videos on the topic of wokeness over the past few years. Mild mannered moderate people like Rufo, Hughes, Jordan Peterson, Dave Rubin, Dennis Prager etc., do not represent adequate pushback against this dangerous ideological nonsense. The response to an ideology that threatens to destroy your country needs to be militant and even violent if necessary (i.e. there has to be a real response when they start having race riots every presidential election cycle). Rufo's approach is a form of passive resistance and that ultimately will end with full capitulation IMO.
No one seems to understand the the godlessness of Communism. In truth humans need to serve somebody. If we don’t serve God, it will be some other god. We will try to be our own Savior of the world. Wokeness is a religion. The true God encourages questions and has always offered genuine relationship.
This guy has been reading Peter Hitchens 💯
Interesting discussion. Based on my experience I would not claim that Marxism was left unchecked in academia after 1990. Critical theory is popular, no doubt, in contemporary academia, but so too is Rawls' political liberalism, communitarianism, and the Capabilites Approach. These are all dominant political theories that are not Critical Theory.