DEBATE: Is The Democratic Party Too Far Left?
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2024
- On the 21st of March, I participated in an Intelligence Squared debate against Black Lives Matter co-founder Alicia Garza and Congressman Jamaal Bowman. The motion of the debate was: "Has the Democratic Party gone too far left?" So the Political scientist Ruy Teixeira and I argued in the affirmative while Alicia and Jamal argued the negative.
Now this debate was frustrating for me at times and I think you'll hear exactly when those times are. However, overall I'm really glad that I did it and I hope you enjoy it.
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CHAPTERS:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:03:17 The Democratic Party Has Gone Too Far Left: Criticizing Hyper Left-wing Policies
00:04:38 The Issue Of Charter Schools And Progressive Democrats
00:11:27 Democrats Face Significant Loss Of Support Among Minorities In 2020 Election
00:17:18 Party Affiliation Can Change Over Time Based On Policies And Needs
00:20:29 Misnomer And Lack Of Data In Link Between Democratic Party Policies And Voter Disaffection
00:24:38 Discussing Democratic Views On Policing And Defunding The Police
00:31:07 Black Voters Support Funding For Crime Prevention Over Policing, Poll Finds.
00:33:04 The Perception Of Government Not Working For The Average Person
00:40:26 Immigration And Its Impact On Low-skilled Americans
00:43:31 Importance Of Understanding Polling Methodology And Framing Of Questions
00:45:06 Not Every Democratic Position Is Too Far Left
00:52:31 Policy Positions That Could Hurt A Candidate's Chances Of Winning An Election
00:56:42 The Democratic Party Is Facing A Crisis: Losing Black And Hispanic Votes
01:01:16 Democrats Are Too Far Left Without Strong Coalition And Political Power
01:04:30 Congressman Bowman Argues That The Democratic Party Has Not Gone Left Enough
01:08:58 Avoiding Right-wing Fear Mongering In Discussing Democratic Party's Direction
01:10:05 Closing Statements
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You’re a GREAT communicator and I appreciate your sobriety in this era of emotional addiction. Please keep doing what you are doing. I hope it will help w race AND political relations.
I'm a life long liberal Native American. The VERY reason why I no longer vote Dem is on display during this debate. I didn't leave the Left, the left me.
The left always sucked, they just used ppl with issues like gay rights, welfare and healthcare to fool and trick ppl into voting for them over they years, the left has always been for big government and big power. No dissenting.
“The left” has been hijacked by the establishment in order to preserve the status quo.
10 years ago I considered myself pretty much mainstream left on almost every issue. Now it’s only like 60 percent. Literal insane nonsense is now being treated as mainstream. The lefties on this panel don’t even seem to believe there is such a thing as too far left. Never mind the history of the past 100 years.
Wel you are now voting against your best interest. Educate yourself. Republicans stance on Native America is to " pave paradise and put up a parking lot".
That's what every right wing say. Bcs on the contrary I was on the right. I was in a tea party rally. AMD yes racism and stupidity are the bond of right wing and Republicans. You wanna be dumb, racist, regressive, then ur a right wing. U care for others, u want freedom, less guns, more science, and technology, less top rich ppl and war mongers. Then ur on the left.. there is no left party in murika. There is far right, and center right. Even far right parties in Europe are to the left of the democratic party.
Listening to Bowman and the BLM person is like entering an echo chamber of hypocrisy. Respect how Coleman stays so calm during their ridiculous tirades.
Coleman's calmness is his superpower. Every sane person would get mad at the attitude from the other side.
His patience is so admirable.
It's totally crazy... they are so completely out of touch.
African Americans are the most jailed people on earth.
@Coleman, you should have challenged Alicia with the following:
"Please, before you start your next sentence, figure out how and when you want it to end."
I've never seen someone so clearly filibustering, while saying so little, yet exiting the confidence of a master debater. She should have been an evangelical prracher.
This was painful. The politician and the BLM founder were not good faith participants.
The left has never been good faith in anything.
A politician and a activist vs two scientifically minded people.
They never are. The others should have known that going in and prepared for it.
The arrogance that Hughes thinks he can actually have a debate with these people is off the scale.
Yeah, I generally tend to shy away from deliberate prejudice, but here’s an example of when it’s ok.
Right from the start (upon hearing their names and credentials) I never expected *either of them* to be good faith participants in an actual debate.
Jamaal Bowman complaining that people were interrupting his point right after he interrupted Coleman..... Captain oblivious
Glad others noticed this! He was interrupting Coleman on Coleman's question.
yeah that was painful to sit through. Just talking over everyone and not making a coherent argument. "show me the polls", "you can't trust polls" "that's not what my polling indicates". Embarrassing. Social issues are highly complex and require more then a univariable, low resolution, first level analysis. I'm really glad Colman takes a big picture approach and talks about these serious issues in a logical, non tribal way. He is definitely interested in understanding the cause and solution, instead of just arguing an ideology. Good job staying calm. Love your channel.
I love how Bowman keeps demanding data while never providing any for his claims.
Word! 💯
And then says "polls show" 😅😅 he's a mess
I noticed that too.
Thought the same
That's because he's an intellectual lightweight who knows he can be exposed at any second so blustering about polling data while never asking the same of the BLM founder is the way to go....
She's like 'How can you believe a pole that's %60 white and %17 black?'.
...ummm that's what the population looks like, Lady. jfc
I thought the exact same thing. She was inferring the idea of “equity”. I’m guessing if you pulled the string she would suggest polling an equal percentage of people from all demographics.
@konstantine1976 exactly; she knows if she says the word, she admits the ideological stands of the party. They don't want equality.
I laughed when I heard that. Notice she mentioned they surveyed "white men and black ppl" on the Quinnipiac poll. I can tell she was not being honest to make her point.
Yeah and she has the nerve to say it with such a condescending tone. Someone doesn’t understand simple math.
What a bunch or ignorant racist blather. You don't understand the Electoral College. Your logic would result in California & New York determining the outcome of any federal election. It's about equitable 'representation'. Try reading something other than comics.
46:30 _"Only 17% of those respondents were black."_ ONLY? African Americans make up ~13.6% of the US population. So technically, black people were _overrepresented_ in that Quinnipiac poll she was citing, in addition to the white men.
Absolutely unreal, her innumeracy. But notice when ideologues like this make obvious mistakes, they’re always in the direction of supporting their own (incorrect) POV. Interesting how that works.
Bowman couldn't do the math in that one
Even with the overrepresentation they still don't agree with her position. She couldn't give a percentage of the Black ppl she polled regularly who think the party isn't left enough. 😂😂😂. Anything to get funding smh.
Because it's about power not principles
Anything short of 100% is insufficient for race baiters and hustlers like these.
I have never had a conversation with a WOKE person that ended well. All became evasive, or devolved to insults.
What is a woke person?
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence usually someone who is capable of seeing actions of injustice everywhere. Except for when committing those very same actions themselves.
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence A woke person is someone who thinks they are progressive without giving any thought to unintended consequences, truth, history and human nature. A woke person wants to be accepted by their contemporaries for their ‘acceptable beliefs’ much like a religion or a cult.
@@MsChitterchat Nobody CLAIMS to be woke. It is a ridiculous insult by right wing thugs against people that have a brain.
Yes that woman went full ignorant mode, she had a really strong racist vibe coming off of her.
Thanks Coleman, you tried to warn them.
Jamaal Bowman is an embarrassment!
Did I miss the part where somebody asks Ms. Garza where the BLM money is?
😂
Invested in a few mansions for herself
Weed?
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Wish you would have pushed back more on the "congressman's" claims about the border.
All this talk about party switching and no one addressed COVID. Of course there was party switching in favor of the Republicans. When you have the biggest pulpit you have the greatest effect. That's a historically proven fact. Agent Orange pushing bleach and lasers etc.. coerced so many lemmings that it was inevitable. Regardless of any of that a Democrat still won. The right cries about voter fraud with ZERO evidence. Faux pays out three quarters of a BILLION dollars (the largest settlement in US history) because of their lies and they still try to sell themselves as the party of righteousness and family values. Get your house in order before passing judgement on others.
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The idea that "cureing poverty" is just something we could do, but just don't want to is insane.
There will always be a bottom 20%. There's a bottom 20% of Olympic athletes but the worst one is in the top 1% of the general public in terms of athleticism.
The problem with a party that advocates for the poor is that it now becomes in the party's incentive is to make more poor people. They do not want to "cure poverty", because it would erode their voter base.
@@em3sis Nor do they want to "end racism". Unfortunately for them, the supply of racism does not meet the demand for it.
It's disempowering. How about telling poor people THEY can fix their OWN poverty. Finish high school. Get a job. Wait until marriage to have children.
Yes, those are the type of statements that make me ask myself “Why am I still listening to this guy”
It's up there with (we've had the cure for cancer for years, but big pharma has been hiding it) it's called 'juicing' lol
I am a lifelong liberal Democrat, and I say yes, yes, YES! I AM SERIOUSLY considering leaving the party.
Do it. If you really believe it you gotta make your voice heard and leave, if enough people show them that this is too crazy they will be forced to reel it back in. Currently there is no way I’d vote democrat even though I always used to, if in ten years or so they come back to reality I would gladly vote for them again but not the way it is now.
I left the GOP because of the insanity there. Come meet me somewhere in the middle.
Do it and don’t look back. I’m a lifelong liberal myself, but they have simply gone insane. Disassociate yourself from them, I promise you will feel great about doing it.
@therainman7777 but there'd nowhere to go. I'm not voting Republican.
@@Gabriel-pt6tqthe democrats have not moved left enough -enjoy the life they want you to have -bowman’s stupidity is enough to vote red ! Blue no matter who -SMH
Well done Coleman - how you keep cool amongst insufferable narcissist ideologues like Bowman, is admirable and impressive as always.
Keep doing what you do 👍🏼. We need your sanity and groundedness.
"Racialised medicine is not a thing."
I cannot believe she waited til her closing to make such an obviously absurd claim.
She is a mocking and disminishing speaker. Shame is her primary source.
@@immensus the persistent snickering was obnoxious. These are high school tactics-on par with, "everyone thinks you're weird; you don't want everyone to think that, do you?"
Because she desperately wants to keep that operation a secret. CRT in medicine is a huge operation right now.
I hate her stupid fake laughs and fake smug "kindness". All that's missing is saying her opponent's first names like she is addressing a child. She's doing a Kamala harris impression.
Immediately followed by her saying she doesn't even know what it is. But she's also sure it's not a thing.
Omg her smug laugh every time….
that was driving me CRAZY. How demeaning.
And the “right”? at the end of what were obvious falsehoods. Perhaps the most obnoxious millennial trait.
Yah she was super disrespectful.
One thing to laugh when it's an obvious absurdity. But she was just condescending (even when she was wrong).
@@nothingreally1234 snowflake much?
I tried to watch this but the level of intellectual dishonesty, cognitive dissonance and manipulative doublespeak was so infuriating I had to shut it off. Props to Coleman for facing the futility of trying to inject reason into that mess.
Too far cultural left. Not far left enough economic left. Or, rather a weird mix of corporate coddling with a few of the least effective but high rhetorical visibility left economic ideas mixed in to hide the basic corporate capture.
☠️ Socialism kills ☠️
You explain exactly why the question is so flawed. The participants (some of them) did try to define the parameters at least.
This comment needs to be higher
Bingo
Perfect answer. The cultural left wing is practically symptomatic of the democrats pandering to corporations.
Give them hell Coleman 🤛
Well that escalated quickly… it’s like Jamal has never spent time with people who disagree with him.
The politician literally can not answer a question wo slipping into campaign slogans
It’s why politicians are pointless to talk to in the open like this
I like how he pretends to not even know what the term _woke_ means in this context. Completely disingenuous.
It actually triggers me. It reminds me of talking politics with certain family members. He acts like he is there to debate but really just moral grandstands.
I didnt sense much critical thinking and rebuttals from the blm and congressman as it pertains to what their opponents were saying. It was much more so repeating talking points in my opinion. I was hoping to really get a nuanced debate but what often is the case are people taking the safe talking point approach. I believe the pro left democrat people were to high profile and cant afford to get sound bites that go against their group. Next time have 2 left leaning high profile podcasters instead. They are more read in and maybe can offer pushback to the anti left arguement
Valiant effort, Coleman. Unfortunately, the only way to get their attention is to stop voting for them.
Whatever rhetorical power she thinks they hold, the faux laugh and "right?" tics get tiresome very quickly.
I’m sure it plays great in her community and among her peers…to the rest of us it’s just gross.
“The Democratic party moving too far left is not a thing”
The electorate has left the chat
We need a third party. Some of us are firmly in the middle. We have extremists on both sides.
I don't see how Republicans are seen as extremists. They're barely center right of most issues.
Im sorry, Republicans are nowhere near as far right as the Democrats are far left. No comparison..,I say that a registered independent and someone who has voted forboth parties.
A third party is a crack pipe dream. What would they even run on?
@@williamerdman4888 I would disagree. I am a somewhat left of center libertarian, and I find just as many wackos on the right as I do on the left.
@@schenksteven1 Who do you think is a wacko?
Official CDC website: "To build a healthier America for all, we must confront the systems and policies that have resulted in the generational injustice that has given rise to racial and ethnic health inequities. We at CDC want to lead in this effort-both in the work we do on behalf of the nation’s health and the work we do internally as an organization." Garza: "racialized medicine is not a thing. Hahaha!" Yeah, just like critical race theory is not a thing in schools. These democrat activists are digging their own graves and happy to drag the entire country into it. The future of this country is grim, between the Republican corporate lackeys and loonies and the Democrat corporate lackeys and woke red brigades.
Down with the duopoly!
I’ve had multiple conversations with family about the fact that CRT is in fact taught in schools all over the country. I’ve seen countless articles denying it and a few that actually show the DATA that in fact there are many schools that are teaching CRT “light” (CRT for kids) which isn’t even hidden since the schools have website sections that literally talk about taking “values” from CRT.
This is depressing because in many ways I am center left but the whole CRT, Policing and the crazy Trans issues rare so batshit crazy I’m getting much closer to stop voting for any person on the left.
Dude the prices, price of living and how taxes went down under republicans, they don’t care about the Elites they care about poor ppl getting rich and having money to do so, also lowering the cost of living and government, i live in the cheapest place in california because it’s red in a blue state and it’s still more expensive here then many many red states.
@CCRider wow ur an idiot…schools, corporations, universities, colleges, Hollywood, media, democrats, in our government, it’s everywhere. Have u been deaf, blind and dumb?
@CCRider the applied version of CRT is most surely being implemented in schools, if you read the CRT law school theory you will see it has an applied principle. I’m pretty sure you haven’t read it tho.
Coleman is right about the changes in voters. I'm considering switching to Republican because of exactly what Coleman has stated. Sadly, neither party is attractive to people who are in the middle.
"Woke" should not become synonymous with the left. I'm an anti-woke leftist and advocate for class reductionism on economic questions.
You are an irrelevant minority merely empowering wokeness by voting for Democrats.
Same here. I describe myself in that exact way as well. There’s at least two of us!
She got off the freeway at the first exit and ended up trapped on racial Ave.
She’s made millions on racial ave -off the backs of race hustlers
We should thank Mr. Bowman for his confession through projection, any poll that he or any other Progressive sites is probably crap.
Bowman: Where's the data?!
Data: Here I am, does this satisfy you?
Bowman: Well.......
The only data I remember them citing was BLM polls. Even then, it was more of a "Well Thats not my experience" than actual numbers. Coleman gives them solid poll numbers From Gallop and they just dismiss it.
I used to be a liberal. The current liberal/Democrat is absolutely CRAZY... NUTS...
You’re probably still a classical liberal and should be comfortable with that. The radical leftists have taken over the Demonrat party and has left the classical liberal with no home. So I’ve heard over and over. I’m a reformed demonrat myself. I’m now a Republican, not because the people are better but the party has not been taken over as of yet, by the radical left and in my opinion not by the radical right no matter how much the Demons claim otherwise. We believe in the constitution, the rule of law (although the legal system needs reforming), traditional education (F that woke crap), the 1st amendment is the most important to me.
I think they're evil. Actually EVIL.
@@disf5178 They really are, and also they cheat in elections.
Jamaal has been too used to a world that tolerates this type of behavior because he’s in American politics
Jesus christ, Coleman’s opponents made my skin crawl. The BLM lady made him reread her name at the end because he got one letter wrong.. shows you where her priorities are.
Bowman: *interrupts Coleman*
Moderator: I'd like to let someone else in now.
Bowman: But, I wasn't finished interrupting Coleman!
Jamal - "We need to get big corporate money out of politics!"
Alicia - "I'll take it!"
Fear mongering is a singularly republican issue? What?
Apparently they haven't heard of the fear mongering climate agenda. Last I checked it was a leftist phenomenon
That’s been the stupidest talking point since forever.
This coming from the same people that said Trump started WWIII.
Yeah we have to try and get out of the red vs blue nonsense. It kills the ability to really talk about these issues
@@brianmeen2158 Agreed. Down with the duopoly!
Coleman, much love for so succinctly articulating the issues. I have been a lifelong Democrat and am ready to jump ship but cannot support the right either. I am feeling lost at sea.
I am an Independent voter and vote for politicians that have sensible policies. The election-denying Republicans are scary people but I'd rather support a moderate Republican than a "woke" Democrat.
you are NOT alone
6o year old liberal Dem here. I voted Republican for the first time in 2020. I have no regrets. Dems ae hurting the less fortunate.
I've never belonged to any political party. Too much mindless tribalism. Just figure out what your values and principles are and vote according to those (regardless of what party a candidate represents)
Many such people
From an economic perspective they are not left wing enough.
When asked if it's possible to go too far left, she says yes, but only in the sense that it might alienate too many voters to win. Based on what she said, there's nothing that she would consider too far left in principle, or even in practice assuming it wouldn't lose Democrats the vote
Isn’t that what this is all about - the Dems/leftists have lost touch with liberalism
Might Bowman screaming like a child be one of the "frustrating" points in the debate that Coleman mentioned?
At least he didn't pull the FIRE ALARM
Bowman is the sort of guy who who throw a boat anchor to a drowning person, just because he feels like he's trying to help.
Bowman: Where is your DATA?? Where are your POLLS???
ALSO Bowman: Data is MISLEADING!!! Polls are USELESS!!
Is it just me or "let's be clear about this" a phrase that is solely used by someone who is about to make some stuff up? 😅
That’s been my experience. Except for Bernie sanders. He uses it a lot, but unlike a certain someone here, he actually means what he says after it.
@@benp4877 Bernie Is a Saint! Lol you're right he's the sole exception! I don't agree with his politics but he is the only one of his ilk I have genuine respect for. He really does mean well.
That's one of the phrases when my bullshit detector starts going off. Right along with "Trust me, I'm an expert."
@@dervishmichaels9147 I know I’m late to the party but, “I know because I talk to a lot of [demographic].”
If you're a politically homeless liberal like me, watching a video like this is frustrating but also a breath of fresh air. This is why we don't get actual change of any kind, and why all of politics is theatre and optics. Some are worse than others, but these two are pretty lousy. Just shout, or laugh your way out of an uncomfortable situation, or follow up a great point from your opponent by changing the subject. Hughes and Teixeira were really on point and at least took the debate seriously.
No we don’t get actually change cause we don’t vote for the right side wen we are suppose to, the media cares dumb ppl into not voting or voting for he wrong party cause they call them racist and bigots and ppl buy it.
Vote republican, u don’t have to call urself one, politics isn’t everything, vote for the better party.
@@Astarkiller you don’t have to be a republican but you cannot be a democrat
@@Astarkiller facts
Voting Republican is the best message to the current democrats; that they have become loathesome.. detestable. They claim to be the party of honor, transparency and integrity. Nothing could be further from the truth. Their demagoguery.. their racism.. their media propagandists.. their lust for power..
it's horrifying.
how can you have a debate with people whose response to any issue is that it's not a real thing? they are gaslighting you and not arguing in good faith coleman, unfortunately.
Agree and we have made no progress in this area in the past few years. I’ve pretty much given up on caring about it at this point
It'd be great if Coleman went back on Briahna Joy Gray's show (or vice versa) to specifically talk about (a) this debate, and (b) re-opening the issue of her characterization of him as a conservative and the presumptuousness that led to her making those remarks.
@@ColbyARussell (b) Yeah, he should have jumped on her for that - seems like a significant issue - she just went on like it was nothing.
It is beyond frustrating. It is gaslighting period. The way they echoed their faithful twitter mob with the "WHERE'S THE DATA?!?!?" to people who provided the data and then completely disregarded it and smugly laughed because the data did not align with their data. It gets you nowhere. It's why we are in this position in this country today. So disheartening. So happy we have Coleman to fight the good fight.
It was a short debate for everyone except Mr Bowman. I thought no one have really raised the issue of how these people are not actually Liberals, they are so called Progressives. The party going to the left is only an issue as they are not going towards a Gandhi type of left-liberal politics, instead they’re going towards left-autocratic approach, actually dragging the Democratic Party away from Liberalism. Racialising everything is also extremely illiberal. They are challenging the Social Contract: I could go on on about how dangerous I think they are.
Progressives live in a different reality than I do.. l most liberals are at least sane and realistic
Completely, nobody seems to the grasp the Soros, Schwab switch and bait tackticks of replacing poverty issues with race, gender. The Autocratic corperate left is manipulating the traditional left with the woke agenda.
"Ghandi left liberal politics"?
@@mickiemallorie What’s your take on it?
@@brianmeen2158 Right, rationality should be amongst the entry level traits for people who want to call themselves Liberal.
Some of us who don't vote are sick of BOTH parties.
Scott's question to Alicia was incredibly poignant. So many weasel words to not betray what she actually believe. Too far left to win but not left enough for her socialist leanings.
Please get Michael Shellenberger on your show.
Coleman: Gallup says 80% of Blacks did not want to defund the police
Other Guy: that means 80% of Blacks don’t want more police!
Coleman: 🙄 💊 🍺
Coleman 🫡 You just canceled yourself I think. I imagine it’s a feeling of freedom
That was actually the most salient point Bowman made. If 20% are for defunding, 20% against, and 60% "neutral", then it is both true that 80% do not support defund, and 80% do not support increasing police budgets/presence. (Whether that's a response to an argument that no one was making is another matter.) Dude's a terrible communicator, though, and generally came across as childish, un-self-aware, and as irrationally committed as any conservative exhibiting the traits associated with the well-known phenomenon of shoving their head in the metaphorical sand and being unwilling to listen to anything and anyone that contradicts their a priori beliefs. I'm surprised that, even in the interest of decorum, the moderator/host was so effusive in thanking the participants at the end. This guy can't be trusted with unchecked access to a live mic in a debate any more than Trump can.
Wow! Jamal Bowman says We haven't taken on poverty yet? Has he heard of "the war on poverty"? We have spent hundreds of billions of dollars fighting poverty. So you have to ask, why are neighborhoods worse off? These people are so out of touch. Just give these insane people more power and give up our freedoms and they will fix everything. Terrifying.
Jesus this was painful to listen to. The dude interrupted Coleman then accuses others of interrupting him. Classic. Reminds me of my conversations with my borderline sister. So much fun!
Kinda proves the debate question when the best one side can muster is an activist and a politician
Bowman's viewpoints are quixotic...at best.
Great job, Coleman.
Agree. ( And thanks for forcing me to look up "quixotic". LoL. The word applies. )
@@machtnichtsseimann LOL, no problem
Oh nicely done at the end Coleman
The refusal of anyone to address the point of « trans rights » in a substantive way speaks volumes about how much of a mine field this is. So most won’t talk about it but everyone’s thinking about it. But the adjoining issues of dating, sex, expenses of child care and low birth rate are at a crisis point and need to be addressed.
I strongly agree with you. Democrats should take a careful look at this and sex ed in public schools generally (the graphic quality of it would have been R- or X-rated 30-40 years ago). In Scotland, after self-ID failed, the First Minister Nicola Sturgeon resigned. Her party had lost over 40% of its membership. Can the Democratic Party afford a similar loss, especially in close districts? I worry that we will lose many good benefits of government (EPA, OSHA, F.D.A., NTSB, FAA, national parks, etc.) because they refuse to listen to reasonable discussion surrounding the trans issues.
because it's a religious cult
There’s so much strangeness surrounding trans issues now.
Trans rights and sex ed. Started by Magnus Hirschfield who abused a mentally ill patient and worked with a death camp doctor who did death camp gender assignments then passed the torch to Dr. Kinsey who stimulated toddlers to orgasm in the name of scientism’s “morality.”
Then their deceitful ideas were pushed for the purpose of Marxian and Fabian goals to breakdown family and identity itself in large scale, long term dialectics. How bout you talk about it all day and we just say no.
The facts and data guy handled it best. He was just like “Oh, trans? Too far left.” Full stop.
It seems someone thinks chuckling at the opponents arguments as if trying to create the illusion of them being laughable.
The New Yorker always takes it to the next level
jamaal bowman is a total clown
Absolute facts! 💯
Alicia having to READ her opinions adds to the inauthentic vibe. The entire statement read like a social media post
Takeaways from each debater:
1. Jamal is an embarassment. You can't complain about someone stepping on your time when "your time" was you interrupting another debater. He interjected a lot, which is poor form for a debate and it's not allowed in Congress either, you have to wait to be recognized. Not sure where that habit came from. The constant obfuscation as well. The party is not left enough, but he rejects a left-right binary because it should be people vs. power?
2. Alicia was... interesting. She was well-behaved, which is not a comment I'd ever thought I'd make about a debater, but given point 1... Anyway, as Ruy pointed out, her bit about "I'm only interested in the question in terms of electability" did leave a strong impression that she'd be happy to replace capitalism with communism if she could work out how to convert voters to that belief, which is not great. She also came off slightly condescending but I'm not sure that is because she WAS condescending, I think it might just be the way she communicates. All in all, while I strongly disagree with her politics, you have to respect her speaking ability and her intellect. To borrow the old phrase, she's someone I could sit down and have a beer with. I've been in need of some left-wing intellectuals to follow to keep a good overview of both sides, and I could definitely listen to her speak more. The one point that really did irk me though was when she was talking about polling demographics and how a given poll was only 17% comprised of black Americans. That's an overrepresentation of the demographic as a portion of the US population, so I'm not sure how that invalidates the polling data.
3. Ruy was the one talking numbers the most, but he honestly kind of faded into the background. Every time he talked, Jamal jumped over him and in the back half, he just stopped talking data, which means the bullying worked. I get it, I'd have probably backed away from opening topics that were going to lead to outbursts as well, but it was sad.
4. Coleman, as always, love your content. I think I would disagree that Democrats are too far left on immigration, in the context of the discussion. Too far left to pull dyed-in-the-wool conservatives? Sure. Too far left to pull moderates? Not really. I'm curious if you answered that way because you (after having time to think about your response) actually believe that or because you were loathe to concede any ground.
I'm with you, by the way, we need to ramp our immigration up if we want to shield ourselves from the age demographic crisis hitting the west. From a purely policy perspective, immigrants are amazing, they produce goods and services that boost our economy, they remit some of that money home where it doesn't add to our inflation and when they retire, they often move back to their home country, releasing all the retirement savings into someone else's economy as well. They're a huge economic boon. It's a very cold and calculating way of looking at it, but it is a huge benefit to the US and everyone living here. I think it's one of the issues where the right is too far right (along with abortion and a couple other things) to gel with moderates.
I was also irked by her stating that black people "only" made up 17% of the poll. I saw a pro-black businesses Amazon ad which basically had the same tagline. "Black-owned/operated Amazon marketplace sellers _only_ make up 15% of sellers on Amazon. That's why you should support more of them." ......but, African Americans are about 13.6% of the US population. This is either a cynical political tactic, or it comes from the victimhood mindset that is very prevalent on the left... or both.
Not bringing 'receipts' as they like to say now, was a huge mistake in terms of saying you have facts/evidence for your arguments. That's especially frustrating given that I am definitely of the position that the Dems have moved much too far Left.
Why do you think the immigration issue isn't too far to the left when the Southern border hasn't been protected. Sanctuary cities are now complaining about the influx of immigrants when their POLICIES and SPEECH supported the same policy before the repercussions were felt?
don't stop your opponent when he's making mistakes
Coleman you speak so well for the sensible people out there.
Thank You
One side looks like they are lying and getting defensive. The other side looks calm and confident.
I mean they lost me as a lifelong voter. This obviously isn't scientific, but I think if a nationwide pole were to be done people would see that the left has lost many people who had been strong advocates, the right I highly doubt has lost many people of this kind. The thing they're not accounting for is people like me might just not vote, or might not register Republican.
That's exactly where I am. I didn't vote in the midterms. First time I didn't vote in 24 years.
@@noahjwhite Same here, it had been 15 years for me. Something's got to give...Right? Ha I was sure in 2016 after the loss that surely now, finally the Dems would stop with the ridiculous identity politics, and make sure this never can happen again...I could have never predicted just how much worse it would get.
Yep. The apathetic middle is large and growing
When he said poverty isnt being lowered because no one is lowering it, you should have said "Why arent you lowering it????"
Exactly! The cities with the most poverty (and the most minorities in poverty) are large Dem run cities, and they’ve been Dem run for decades. If the Left has good policy solutions for these issues why aren’t ANY of their policies helping??! In fact, homelessness, crime, poverty has only gotten WORSE in those cities over time.
California is a Dem supermajority state, and has been for years.
In California, homelessness, the cost of living, murder rates/violent crime, home invasions, car jacking….crime in general, mental illness, drug use/addiction/overdoses, the number of illegal immigrants, school/grade performance scores, taxes, net migration of people out of the state……these things only keep INCREASING and getting worse.
@@mimo5853 I've been thinking about this, too. It's weird how they haven't picked up that the very "progressive" policies and strategies they use to purport to help marginalized sectors of people, don't seem to be helping, and contrarily seem to be making things worse. It's partly why I can't wit politics, bc I do think it's all a farce and democracy is an illusion, but, yeah, would be nice if the dems actually appeared to give a shit.
Why does Alicia find EVERYTHING funny?
Is she actually related to Kamala? - or just basing her rhetorical technique on the VP’s model ?
Maybe they should debate if fire alarms look too much like door opening controls.
It was a mistake for each person not to define what they thing “far left” means
I just like the intelligence Square debate where the question was “is America too obsessed with race” they brought on someone who is clearly too obsessed with race to argue no. Same thing here, they brought on people who are clearly extraordinarily left to argue no. Their participation alone is the best argument for the other side.
It wasn't difficult to identify the loudest and ... let's say 'least-intelletually-rigorous' guy in the room. He is, naturally, the elected official.
As for his cohort, it seems to me that she implied that the only problems with either: having entirely open borders and/or "dismantling Capitalism" is it's being unpalatable to voters. I got the impression that she thinks both of those things are wonderful ideas. Oh, and she basically led the convo off with a middle finger to white men. Another policy it seems she would like the Democratic party to adopt.
If I listened to either of those people for long enough, I might well leave the Dems myself. Not for the Republicans, perhaps, but to 3rd party candidates or Independents. It may be wasting a vote, but it's better than not voting at all.
And he was the only one who bragged about his educational background 🙄
The congressman means well but is ignoring the John Adam’s of our time. These people get into bubbles and are told not to pop them.
I work in healthcare. Racialized medicine is 100% a thing and is being worked into accreditation and regulatory requirements.
I couldn’t believe she said that. Coleman must have nearly choked.
57:14 To quote the man himself: "What data! What data? What poll? Reference the data! We're in a debate man, you got to reference the data. You keep saying data. Anyone can do a poll." - Congressman Jamaal Bowman: 41:52
This would be the "frustrating" part that Coleman mentioned.
Ofc the ideologues are the ones who kept interrupting and raising their voices… good job coleman 🖤
Condescending creepy laughter in the absence of intelligent retort is not a strategy of the classless.
I love how Garza only determines the limits of going too far left not by some moral principles or harm done by the policies, but only if "the policies that will not get my candidate elected." That is precisely the problem with the radical political left. There are no foundations in any guiding principles, just "progress".
Power is the goal.
Alicia(sp?) couldn’t honestly answer the question asked by Scott. Obviously, to her, no candidate can be too far left, which his question addresses, but she lawyered her answer as such to say that the American electorate would not, for example, vote for a far left candidate who would implement radical socialism.
Immediately breaks it down to “I don’t like old white men and they’re dying so who cares” lol
As a former Democrat that voted for my first republican in 2016, the democrats have gone waaaay too far left.
The lady "read" her portion of the debate...... that must break some kind of debating rule huh ? Good points by all three of the men who spoke without notes. Bravo Gentlemen.Thank you for a Grandmother in Austin.
Coleman tried to tell ‘em.
Loved this debate! I still agree with Coleman on this one.
Mr Coleman is the most calm and well spoken
Garza clumsily attempts to invalidate the question by invoking the banal "old white men" canard. How feeble.
Too woke, yes. Too far left? Not even close.
From anywhere in Europe they look right wing.
To the degree that woke emerges from and expresses far left thinking, they are synonymous.
Uh how are woke and left distinguishable?
@@Atreus21 that you need to ask is akin to David Foster Wallace’s ‘this is water’. The good news for you is that you are able to distinguish what the party has not… and therein lies hope.
@@Atreus21 "woke" often refers to racial and gender identity politics. "Left" often refers to a range of economic positions generally advocating for broad distribution of wealth or power across society. These two sorts of ideology are logically independent, though a lot of people happen to hold both simultaneously.
Ya gotta love the way Jamal Bowman interrupts Coleman Hughes when Hughes answers Bowman's question and then gets upset when Ruy Teixeira interrupts Bowman's interruption. If Bowman is going to ask the question, he needs to wait for the answer, and he should not get upset when others treat him the way he treats others in a discussion or debate. Bowman may not be the best debater, but he loves to shout. Bowman seems to subscribe to the ostrich approach to politics: you stick your head into the sand, ignore data that contradicts your arguments, and hope everything comes out okay. While I disagree with Alicia Garza's "demographics is destiny" argument (i.e., more black and brown U.S. citizens and residents will translate to a decisive shift to the Democratic Party in future elections), which I believe is overly simplistic, at least she conducted herself with dignity, and she made a good point about voter alienation with political insiders in general. Finally, Ruy Teixeira gave an expert analysis of why Democrats have to move away from wokeism if they want to get their more popular economic agenda policies passed in a divided nation.
Did you see Bowman recently on the news shouting to the rooftop while talking to a colleague in the halls of Congress? I wouldn't vote for Bowman for anything other than a carnival barker.
Stellar open Coleman
It's extremely frustrating and hard to listen to at times. The outright lies and misconceptions from liberals of what conservatism is and stands for is beyond their comprehension.
I've got 32 trillion reasons why the left is too far left
If your metric for political success is whether or not your party gets votes/wins elections, you are part of the problem. The only metric for political success is whether the American people are better off (safer, richer, more free) due to the leadership and actions of your political party. Put another way: candidates don't win or lose elections, the only people who win or lose elections are the American people.
Alicia is deliberately misrepresenting the opinions of black people as a group to appeal to the sensibilities of white progressives. That’s what is really going on here.
The woman takes issue with a poll reflecting 17% black people when the US black population is 13.6%. She's right, the poll should have less black people to represent the nation based on skin color
I am so grateful for you, Coleman that you have come into this time as a voice of reason. All these other opponents your up against are so toxic, there isn’t any reason at all with them. This is the major problem with both parties today. We are so disconnected in this country. More so than ever before. We need more “voices of reason” like you to help us middle Americans get what is needed for us. Class over race !!! That needs to be the focus to solve all the problems we face today !!
1:03:03 I hadn't the terms "woke mafia" or "woke supremacy" before, but I like them.
46:30 only 17% of respondants were black. Yeah... and? Thats actually an over representation.
Coleman, I wish you'd have used the term "luxury beliefs" to describe the radical influencers on the left in your opening. And bring Rob Henderson on to your show sometime!
Yes. They have become totally unrelatable to the average working man and woman.