If 80% of the firm was layed off and my boss was crying I would assume it was because of the stress and the layoff (surprisingly because he’s seen this many times)but to my surprise he’s crying over his dying dog. Another symbolism is, they both don’t have what usually emotionally stabilizes them. Nicotine for will and the dog for same.
I think the most telling part of the scene....is that after all these years, Kevin in this film is a survivor but has no one to relate to except his dying pet. True penalty of his life
I think the backstory to his dog, Ella, is that she probably came into his life when Sam was a much happier person and married to his wife. Ella represents an alternate life, a much happier and fulfilling life that Sam might have had, had he focused more on his marriage and less on his career.
@@ingleringlet-snipps3rd449 if he focused more on his marriage she would have left him too because he wouldn't be making money. Actually in real life that's mich more probable scenario
@@siemniak Yes, his ex definitely appeared to be "high maintenance." I think also, the backstory is that his ex wife got the house and Sam got the dog. Sam eventually lost the dog, and was left with nothing from his divorce.
Yes yes yes, movies like: 1. Margin call 2. Too big too fail 3. The big short 4. The wolf of wall street 5. ???? Those are my favorites, i hope they make more movies like these
Unfortunately, as @inside33 put it, films about wall street etc are a little more real than a lot of people like their movies to be. They prefer to get their dose of realistic financial systems from the news and their dose of fiction from superhero movies.
I've been both in the 1st round of layoffs and a 'survivor' and I can tell you this. Each feeling you have at first gets reversed 100% after the reality of what happened sets in.
Same thing happened at my office when the 2008 debacle happened. I knew after I survived the first round that there would be another, I was right and my apathy level went to infinity. The company fired both me and my best friend in the second round leaving ONE person to do the jobs of 8 people. When they realized that couldn't be done, they rehired my friend. After 6 months they let him go _again._ The week after he was rehired, the HR girl I had the hots for went out for drinks with me and my friend and a couple others from the office. She floated a question as to whether or not I would come back to work, I asked her this... "If they had to make TWO rounds of layoffs, then they rehired some back, what does that tell you about the management? They don't have a clue. They will lay off anyone they need to except you in HR to try and make it so they aren't losing money. They will fail. If you are smart, you'll start looking for a new job right now. Don't wait. The Titanic has hit the iceberg and it is going down. Get in another job and get as far away from that company as you can." The company went out of business within a year. I knew it would happen because I knew the owner wouldn't throw any more of his own money into the company to save it. He was a greedy slot, and I hope he is broke now.
I worked on the team that owned everyone's permissions. So we knew before they did. Had to ignore IMs and emails. Had all their stuff ready to turn off access once they got the axe. It sucked. Knowing this was gonna be a rough day. 10% cut
I was working at a large investment firm around that time. They were laying people off 20-30 at a time. By mid-2009, they had had two rounds of layoffs. The firm used to occupy two floors, but after the two rounds of layoffs the survivors got moved to just one floor, and even it was half-empty. One of the remaining analysts asked to move from his cubicle to one of the empty offices. They said, sure, no problem. He probably felt that it was his "opportunity", too. A week later he got laid off.
Reminds me of that scene from Peep Show where Mark finally becomes manager at JLB credit and then gets laid off along with the entire firm the very same day.
We had a 24 come on the floor and tell everyone to hang up their phones and come to the elevators. One half went up and the other went down. The ones on the bottom floor were sent home and the ones on the top were told that the others were let go. Some were cherry picked to stay, but it was general for the most part. If you do not display value to the right people and "fly under the radar" you're gone.
I was with a big corporation for 20 years, and then they offered thousands of employees a better severance deal than they usually ever give. Almost everyone on my team where I live took the deal, including my manager. I look back on it now and wonder if I made the right decision, cuz some of my co-workers are still employed. But we had layoffs every year, and there was always the risk that our group would get sold to another company that would wipe out our severance.
I love this scene...its nicely layered. On the surface the mass firing of employees intertwined with the personal grief of a dying pet. Both can't be saved.
No, it shows the coldness of corporate life. He is upset over his dog but cheering the remaining guys about what a opportunity this is for them. The other employees are gone and not to be thought about again.
This scene gave me chills when I saw this movie because I've been in that room and given that exact same pep talk about opportunity as the firm lays off 40% of my colleagues.
It's mainly privatized profits, but socialized risk in the form of taxpayer bailouts. After the taxpayers gave these companies our money, they used the money to buy smaller banks and firms to make themselves even too bigger to fail and also they gave themselves bonuses in rewarding themselves by using taxpayer money to save their businesses.
@@adameanglin In my country, the watch was provided by your colleagues, at the time of leaving work for pension. Pension is that thing where the state pays you monthly, after a certain age, for the fact that they took a shift-load of your money monthly up to that age. Severance pay is something usually negociated by unions for employees being laid off, if they have had a long enough career in that company. Or imposed by law in certain cases. At any rate, even in case of bankruptcy, first to be paid are the employees, then the state, and then the rest of the creditors. Or, at least, that's the law in my country.
The sheer lack of empathy from Will, hearing that Sam's dog is dying - to a point where he frowns, because he doesn't understand his emotion, really drives home how disconnected from emotion you need to hold down that kind of job. Brilliant acting.
@@cjmq1970 Well, he did recently land a pretty big role in WandaVision. It's been pretty front and center. And without guys like Bettany that show would never have worked.
@@Aengrod The point is you can feel empathy for someone else's pain, even if the source of their pain wouldn't affect you in the same way. Even if you don't care about dogs, you can be sad about your friend going through what is a personal tragedy to them, on account of losing their beloved dog. But Will isn't like that. He's smart enough to know that the polite thing to do is display some form of empathy, but he doesn't feel it, so he goes through the motions of saying the right thing, and then it's right onto business. Capturing the nuance of Will putting on an empathy display without actually feeling it is what makes this a great scene.
@@donarthiazi2443 They also did this movie on a comparative shoestring: less than $3.7 million all up. You don't get this sort of talent unless everyone agrees to work for fraction of what they normally command.
@@hiratiomasterson4009 Yes I've heard of that in the past. It's great to know that they're still some actors that really just want to put an incredible film together for the sake of art.
The best movies are those that tell a compelling story, with great actors in a very limited space. Let the budget go into writing and acting, not into CGI and expensive sets.
Kevin Spacey role in this movie is just brilliantly complex. Just like how most of people really are. They are neither all good, or all bad, like what's shown in media. But humans are unpredictable and unreliable at times especially when their own interests clash with what's right. There are many who after watching this film thought Spacey's role in this movie is a good guy but that scene really show that he was a selfish boss just like the firm's CEO or others in top management or in fact what we have in offices in real life. More than half the floor comprising of 'good people' of his team who were 'good at their work' were fired in a day and all he was obsessed about was his dying dog. That clapping before his little speech was done to emphasize this point that it's not a big deal for him that so many people lost their jobs and their future ruined out of no fault of their own, yet he asked his team that they shouldn't even be remembered. The movie makers wanted you to compare this incredible insensitivity to workers plight with the emotions the big shark boss showed on his own dog's fate. This movie is a gem because of details such as these and how realistic they are in offices around the world.
@@slomnim he "needs the money" because he's going through a divorce. It's not as simple as him buying into the company and what they did/are doing, because they purposely show him struggling with that moral dilemma and wanting out. But it's more he's selling his soul to the company because he's in financial trouble and now has no where to turn because he burnt all his bridges that day.
@@tm502010 I see a sexual predator who left a trail of at least 30 victims, including a 14 year old boy. He always has that creepy perverted look on his face in every role.
@@123apacino yeah I recognised that immediately He was like "empathy? what's that" and then corrected himself. In a real world situation he would probably fake it perfectly immediately, but for the movie it was good to see inside their heads for a bit
@@MisterL2_yt If you watched the movie, his character was the one who had the strongest conscience. So, it's strange to say he was acting like he was faking it.
A lot of companies should study this scene, You cant just axe a large percentage of the work staff and go hide in your office. You have to let the remaining staff get over "survivors guilt " and looking over there shoulder, not knowing if there is going to be another "blood letting "
@@nobytes2 Its the aftermath where management drops the ball,,,, or runs with it, You get bad management who leaves everyone else hanging, looking over their shoulder, and like Ken said, the good guys bailout out on perceived self-preservation. ,,, Without some kind of reassurance everyone isn't working,,,, they are thinking about the next bloodletting.... when things are slow, who is not worried about the pre-thanksgiving layoffs? We have all seen it, the best time for management to get rid of people, . far enough away from Christmas to not seem like a scrooge ..and save a 1/2 dozen paid holidays off.
Jesus Christ everybody need a motivational speech this days to do their work.. you're still getting paid and the others are not. i think it should be the biggest validation and motivation You can get.
@@Lepidopray what was he supposed to say? You can have empathy but they are in serious situation and out of nowhere guy is starting talking about his private stuff regarding a dog when there is a big crisis ahead affecting many people. What was he supposed to do? Cry for him ? Then you would be happy. The idiocy of people like you makes me sick
The 2008 crisis story fascinated me. It’s still seems crazy to me that only a small handful of people could see what was coming. These banks were playing extremely risky games, and they knew they were handing out these super shady sub prime mortgages to hundreds of thousands of unqualified buyers. The banks have these risk departments filled with mathematicians, so hard to understand that almost none of them could figure out that these low income people weren’t going to pay their mortgages when their rates went through the roof
I’ve experienced both being axed and surviving, but in neither situation did I walk away with a couple of million dollars in bonuses. Hard to sympathize with any of them, especially after the turmoil that was wrought by their industry and greed.
This is just an amplification of what life is in most aspects in varying degrees, except that people r too selfish and/ or polite to acknowledge the truth.
The truth of the matter is that flying under the radar is a losing game. Make your bosses acquittance, be friendly or at least polite with him/her, do whatever he needs you to do, and be careful about you say about him/her to others. A little bit of paranoia goes a long way toward keeping your job. After that, don't complain and if you need to, find the right way to do it, and don't find reasons to be angry. It's business. We're all at work to make money. If the place sucks or your management sucks (or both, as usually is the case), start working on another job.
Nobody EVER wants to hear corporate BS. I identify with my family, my friends, my country, humanity. I do NOT identify with a frickin' company. Such pep talk baloney is doubly unbelievable as the ones delivering it are usually the first ones to leave the sinking ship at the first sign of trouble.
I find solace in this scene because of Sam, specially today that I lost my dog. It's hard to let your friend go, and you will do everything to keep him alive.
Having been through layoffs. Managers don't give a crap. HR don't give a crap. Nobody gives a crap. Because the people getting laid off wouldn't give a crap if role were reversed. That's human nature.
That is a completely insane worldview; normal people don’t conform to a psychotic natural state like that; you’re simply trying to validate poor decisions by imposing them on people not given the chance to make them.
Exactly. People wouldn't care the other way around. if company would be getting smashed they would left on their own but of course socialists and communist in comment can't comprehend that its not anybody's Obligation to keep you on a pay roll. It's a job you're getting paid for a service and when you are needed. That it. Nothin more.
I came from a poor family. I saw this happen early which showed me nobody cares about you. I lived far below my means and saved and invested. I became a millionaire far before retirement and now if and when they do this to me, I just smile and tell them thank you for the free vacation time. I won’t be crying like the rest.
Yes he was honest about his outcome. He was the one who had put sharks into the sea in which he was fishing. Now, the boat has a hole in it and its going to sink. What the CEO does is takes the one life saver boat for himself in the dead of night and leaves everyone in the boat to fend for himself who all eventually die.
He didn’t show enough deference or nervousness when facing off with Tuld. No way would a junior analyst ever talk to a CEO the way he spoke to Tuld. It took me out of the film.
here is how good this movie is - @ 1:29 there is a dude in a blue shirt in the background whose expression alone deserves an oscar... hell - his shirt deserves an oscar... not to mention the other talent in this movie
He made the same acting as president Underwood in his famous "we played by the rules" speech, by pointing the finger to each and every one of them. Amazing.
I know this is an old upload ... But am I the only one to notice the 2/3rds bottle of Pepto-Bismol on Sam's desk ... quite aside from that stuff tastes disgusting, he must have been under a hella of a lot of stress to resort to taking it perhaps everyday, several times a day ...
@@kedabro1957 You're very welcome ... ... abet it is rare that I spot small details like that ... but perhaps only being able to watch films on a phone, means you can see those details ...
Absolutely excellent movie. One thing I don't quite understand, not in the clip, but at the beginning of the movie. When Eric Dale was let go and he was at the elevator with his boxes he gave a flash drive to Peter Sullivan, he said he had been working on something but hadn't finished, then as he passed it Peter Sullivan he said "be careful", knowing obviously it contained very serious information about the state of the company. If that had been me or you or anyone they wouldn't have said anything and let the company go broke. I mean the Eric Dale had just been let go!
@mattaddison19 I understand exactly what you are saying and agree. My point was Eric Dale was basically fired, so he would be 'pissed off' as anyone would? So why would he help the same company that fired him, by giving confidential information to another person to help the same company? I realize that if he hadn't given the flash drive to Peter Sullivan the whole premise of the movie wouldn't have worked.
@mattaddison19 Once again I agree, just a couple of points. One, if he hadn't given the flash drive to Peter Sullivan then this great film wouldn't have happened! Two I think the huge economic mess had already happened and the only saving grace was the company managed to sell worthless pieces of paper, but at the time he handed over the flash drive Eric Dale didn't know the full impact.
mikeymike1001 Watch that scene again. Peter expressed sincere empathy, and gratitude apparently for how Eric had guided him when Peter joined the company. Subsequently, Eric very naturally handed to Peter the thumb drive.
This movie is a real presentation of what happened in Finance trading floors and brokerage firm.... all finance people replaced by engineer, all traders by computers, assets being robotized while only a few human remains to cather to ''high net worth''
If you are a shareholder then you are a customer and employee. You use Amazon you are a customer of your own paycheck and you are writing a fraction of a percent on it. And whether you share positive or negative news press or thoughts about using a given service you are an employee. By recommending the other people switch to say Disney+ over Netflix you are acting as the employee of that business.
Why making it so complicated? No, the dog is just a dog that he loved, that grew old and had to be put down. And he is mourning that dog. What connects it to the story is the simplicity and purity of his relationship with the dog, which is in stark contrast to the inescabable scheming, the duplicity, cutthroat nature of relationships in his professional life. The relationship to colleagues and co-workers is alone defined by their temporary usefulness and financial calculations. His relationship with the dog is defined by pure, altruistic love. And to experience that connection he had to turn to an animal, he cannot relate in that same manner with a member of his own species, a human being.
@@omnivorous65 Well said. I interpreted the death of the dog as symbolizing either the death of innocence in his life after what he was involved in at the firm, or perhaps even the seeming "death" of capitalism at the time of the financial crisis. But the way you put it makes more sense.
Or, the metaphor is the difference between rich pricks and simple hard working people - he doesn't get touched by the fact that a lot of people are gonna worry where to get the next paycheck from, and he doesn't have that concern because he's a rich prick.
The role Kevin Spacey playing displayed good leadership ethics and tracts. He inspired his subordinate with honour and treated them with respect. I wish I could have a boss like him if I ever worked in an investment bank.
I don’t think I agree at all with anything you said. Everything Spacey’s character said was corporate BS. He didn’t really care deep down about anyone except himself and his dog
I always felt like keeping a dying dog alive is selfish. Its sad, but keeping them in agony just so that you dont feel bad for a few more days 😑 gotta let go sometimes. Let them move on in peace not pain.
Adjust your volume at the end, it always blows out my ear drums when the audio levels have been way lower for the entire clip and then you que the ending thing that is twice as loud.
Damn. He gave the exact same "been with the firm for blah blah and I tell ya blah blah " at the pep talk before the fire sale which he 10 mins before told the analyst outside he'd never experienced in his career
I was a loan guy then. There were so many snakes in the business I constantly felt the need to shower. I'm back in it now. The snakes are gone for now.
Seth took his job for granted. Then at the end, he had the audacity to cry and tell the #2 guy at the firm, Jared, that this career in finance was all he ever wanted to do. Sure, that’s why you were at the club drinking while Peter Sullivan was still at work saving the firm from financial ruin.
0:33 Will realizes that a normal human being who possesses empathy and isn't insanely self-absorbed would express sympathy for another person's impending loss. It doesn't come naturally to him...he has to assess how to respond and think about the appropriate thing to say.
Will’s ambivalent “sorry”. Ouch. Anyone’s pet dying is a tragedy. I have to put my cat to sleep tomorrow as I write this and am torn so I know the feelings Kevin’s character is feeling
Back to ruthless ego stroking and manipulation. In a blink of an eye. If you feel you’re required to lead wolves instead of humans to survive the jungle you chose to live in, then you must show them you’re the most bloodthirsty.
If Kevin Spacey makes a comeback, it should be a biography of Johnny Carson; I'm not kidding, without trying he looks and sounds like him more and more as he ages.
@@MightiestArm I doubt it too. But Chapelle is now making jokes about juveniles that possibly got molested by M.Jackson. I never thought that was possible after Cosby. The Spacey thing is very strange....but maybe too many accusations will come forward if he comes back.
I met him once north of Baltimore, as he was shooting a scene at a Winery for House of Cards, and he was very nice, and very accommodating for pictures, then he was forced off the show.
And that is why sociopathy exists on a spectrum. We are all sociopaths to some degree. The humanity of others exists only in their proximity, similarity and intimacy to us. A true saint cares for no one individually and yet is capable of weeping for - and making sacrifices to save - humanity as a whole.
The thing that the movie tries to explain is that they view what is going to happen as inevitable at that point. They cannot "stop it alter or even ever so slightly slow it down" so they focused on themselves which is sadly a very human thing to do.
This scene is right after half the people on that floor were fired. The viewer is tricked into thinking that Spaces is crying because of them, but you discover he's sad because of a dog. This shows how dehumanized these characters are.
If they were the best... They didn't have anybody stopping them unless there was some kind of inefficient way of doing things that got some lesser person getting a position they shouldn't have... Sounds more like an admittance that they don't know a damn thing about running a good business efficiently. Like, along with the massive layoffs, people didn't need anymore evidence of that...
You think the only variable that gets a person promoted is “being the best?” More often than not, it’s having a sponsor up the line backing you and carrying you with them that moves people up the ladder.
Remember in the board scene when he said "If you do this you will NEVER sell anything to anyone again". They all got laid off and were paid for their 1 day performance. Tomorrow morning NOBODY wants to talk to these guys. Remember the trading scene at the end of the day. "Hey its me" Customer "What the hell are you guys doing over there? I am hanging up Now!!" It is like having a WORLD Wide Recall on your hamburgers that wiped out Millions of people and the next day your like where are all the customers ???
It doesn't matter what comes, fresh goes better in life, and Mentos' fresh and full of life. Nothing gets to you, staying fresh staying cool, with Mentos fresh and full of life.
If 80% of the firm was layed off and my boss was crying I would assume it was because of the stress and the layoff (surprisingly because he’s seen this many times)but to my surprise he’s crying over his dying dog.
Another symbolism is, they both don’t have what usually emotionally stabilizes them. Nicotine for will and the dog for same.
I think the most telling part of the scene....is that after all these years, Kevin in this film is a survivor but has no one to relate to except his dying pet. True penalty of his life
Good observation!
I think the backstory to his dog, Ella, is that she probably came into his life when Sam was a much happier person and married to his wife. Ella represents an alternate life, a much happier and fulfilling life that Sam might have had, had he focused more on his marriage and less on his career.
@@ingleringlet-snipps3rd449 if he focused more on his marriage she would have left him too because he wouldn't be making money. Actually in real life that's mich more probable scenario
@@siemniak Yes, his ex definitely appeared to be "high maintenance." I think also, the backstory is that his ex wife got the house and Sam got the dog. Sam eventually lost the dog, and was left with nothing from his divorce.
@@ingleringlet-snipps3rd449 never get married is the anwer
Can't we have more movies like this? A cast of great actors, amazing script, perfect directing, no fancy CGI. Just a great story.
Yes pls.
Yeah, that awful fancy CGI just makes movies worse.
Yes yes yes, movies like:
1. Margin call
2. Too big too fail
3. The big short
4. The wolf of wall street
5. ????
Those are my favorites, i hope they make more movies like these
Never, cost too much on capable cast, and people are too dunb to understand it, meaning no good for money.
Unfortunately, as @inside33 put it, films about wall street etc are a little more real than a lot of people like their movies to be. They prefer to get their dose of realistic financial systems from the news and their dose of fiction from superhero movies.
“They’re not to be thought of again”. Then every time someone mentions Eric the response is always “Eric?” “Eric *Dale*” “Oh”
I've been both in the 1st round of layoffs and a 'survivor' and I can tell you this.
Each feeling you have at first gets reversed 100% after the reality of what happened sets in.
Same thing happened at my office when the 2008 debacle happened. I knew after I survived the first round that there would be another, I was right and my apathy level went to infinity. The company fired both me and my best friend in the second round leaving ONE person to do the jobs of 8 people. When they realized that couldn't be done, they rehired my friend. After 6 months they let him go _again._ The week after he was rehired, the HR girl I had the hots for went out for drinks with me and my friend and a couple others from the office. She floated a question as to whether or not I would come back to work, I asked her this...
"If they had to make TWO rounds of layoffs, then they rehired some back, what does that tell you about the management? They don't have a clue. They will lay off anyone they need to except you in HR to try and make it so they aren't losing money. They will fail. If you are smart, you'll start looking for a new job right now. Don't wait. The Titanic has hit the iceberg and it is going down. Get in another job and get as far away from that company as you can."
The company went out of business within a year. I knew it would happen because I knew the owner wouldn't throw any more of his own money into the company to save it. He was a greedy slot, and I hope he is broke now.
I worked on the team that owned everyone's permissions. So we knew before they did. Had to ignore IMs and emails. Had all their stuff ready to turn off access once they got the axe. It sucked. Knowing this was gonna be a rough day. 10% cut
@@tylerdurden639 yep so with the titanic you need to put the life vest on and be ready, or be ready to help others off the boat. Not push, but help.
Terminations at my company happened on Mondays and especially Fridays. We had a hatchet man who LOVED chopping off heads.
Been through 3 mass layoffs. Survived two of them. Not sure what that means.
I was working at a large investment firm around that time. They were laying people off 20-30 at a time. By mid-2009, they had had two rounds of layoffs. The firm used to occupy two floors, but after the two rounds of layoffs the survivors got moved to just one floor, and even it was half-empty. One of the remaining analysts asked to move from his cubicle to one of the empty offices. They said, sure, no problem. He probably felt that it was his "opportunity", too. A week later he got laid off.
How did they choose whom to keep?
Reminds me of that scene from Peep Show where Mark finally becomes manager at JLB credit and then gets laid off along with the entire firm the very same day.
We had a 24 come on the floor and tell everyone to hang up their phones and come to the elevators. One half went up and the other went down. The ones on the bottom floor were sent home and the ones on the top were told that the others were let go. Some were cherry picked to stay, but it was general for the most part. If you do not display value to the right people and "fly under the radar" you're gone.
I was with a big corporation for 20 years, and then they offered thousands of employees a better severance deal than they usually ever give. Almost everyone on my team where I live took the deal, including my manager. I look back on it now and wonder if I made the right decision, cuz some of my co-workers are still employed. But we had layoffs every year, and there was always the risk that our group would get sold to another company that would wipe out our severance.
Don’t blow it
Keep it simple
Count you money
I love this scene...its nicely layered. On the surface the mass firing of employees intertwined with the personal
grief of a dying pet. Both can't be saved.
No, it shows the coldness of corporate life.
He is upset over his dog but cheering the remaining guys about what a opportunity this is for them. The other employees are gone and not to be thought about again.
i was looking for the comment analyzing the symbolism of that dialogue... thanks
"They're gone and not to be thought of again". The Wall Street ethos in a nutshell.
"Scrape them off Grace " -- Bill Murry "Scrooged " And Keven Spacy is such a great actor, made it sound like that was the right thing to do .
sounds like soldiers in war because thats how they live
@@billturner6564 Then, they crash the market real warriors. Lol
because in other sectors people who get laid off are commemorated afterwards?
Spoken like someone who has never and will never work on Wall Street
This scene gave me chills when I saw this movie because I've been in that room and given that exact same pep talk about opportunity as the firm lays off 40% of my colleagues.
is it really capitalism if taxpayers have to bail them out?
It's mainly privatized profits, but socialized risk in the form of taxpayer bailouts. After the taxpayers gave these companies our money, they used the money to buy smaller banks and firms to make themselves even too bigger to fail and also they gave themselves bonuses in rewarding themselves by using taxpayer money to save their businesses.
@@SRT480 Wall Street banks paid back the money with interest.
@@SRT480 No...that is Fascism.
As have I Brad and the never to be thought of again remark is SO TRUE. Brutal in corporate America.
I've heard this kind of speech before. I put in my 2 weeks notice 2 days later. Best decision I ever made.
Wouldn't you have received a severance package?
@@28goldenboy Unfortunately not
Yes. Because its a sign that the company does not value its employees. And you will be next.
@@28goldenboy HA HA HA and a gold watch, right?
@@adameanglin
In my country, the watch was provided by your colleagues, at the time of leaving work for pension.
Pension is that thing where the state pays you monthly, after a certain age, for the fact that they took a shift-load of your money monthly up to that age.
Severance pay is something usually negociated by unions for employees being laid off, if they have had a long enough career in that company. Or imposed by law in certain cases.
At any rate, even in case of bankruptcy, first to be paid are the employees, then the state, and then the rest of the creditors.
Or, at least, that's the law in my country.
The sheer lack of empathy from Will, hearing that Sam's dog is dying - to a point where he frowns, because he doesn't understand his emotion, really drives home how disconnected from emotion you need to hold down that kind of job. Brilliant acting.
Because it's a dog not a human. Imagine his reaction if it wasn't a dog but, say hamster. Oh the horror! Oh the tragedy!
Paul Bettany must be one of the most underrated actors of his generation.
@Alexander Everhart this scene takes place the day before that...
@@cjmq1970 Well, he did recently land a pretty big role in WandaVision. It's been pretty front and center. And without guys like Bettany that show would never have worked.
@@Aengrod The point is you can feel empathy for someone else's pain, even if the source of their pain wouldn't affect you in the same way. Even if you don't care about dogs, you can be sad about your friend going through what is a personal tragedy to them, on account of losing their beloved dog.
But Will isn't like that. He's smart enough to know that the polite thing to do is display some form of empathy, but he doesn't feel it, so he goes through the motions of saying the right thing, and then it's right onto business.
Capturing the nuance of Will putting on an empathy display without actually feeling it is what makes this a great scene.
Interesting how after 80% of the floor gets fired, and he opens the meeting with a round of applause.. lol..
good catch
His team is down. He is their leader. He needs to give them something positive to lift their spirits.
Like Goebbels convincing the German people that war rations were a cause for celebration in the waning days of WWII lmao.
@@vampov
Required applause? That’s really going to lift spirits?
Lmao
This movie was made in mere weeks.. Everyone involved brought their ‘A Game’.. Simply Brilliant..
It doesn't really take much more than 'outstanding acting' to make a movie like this one. They had the great actors so _mere weeks_ seems about right.
@@donarthiazi2443 They also did this movie on a comparative shoestring: less than $3.7 million all up. You don't get this sort of talent unless everyone agrees to work for fraction of what they normally command.
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Yes I've heard of that in the past. It's great to know that they're still some actors that really just want to put an incredible film together for the sake of art.
The best movies are those that tell a compelling story, with great actors in a very limited space. Let the budget go into writing and acting, not into CGI and expensive sets.
Kevin Spacey role in this movie is just brilliantly complex. Just like how most of people really are. They are neither all good, or all bad, like what's shown in media. But humans are unpredictable and unreliable at times especially when their own interests clash with what's right.
There are many who after watching this film thought Spacey's role in this movie is a good guy but that scene really show that he was a selfish boss just like the firm's CEO or others in top management or in fact what we have in offices in real life. More than half the floor comprising of 'good people' of his team who were 'good at their work' were fired in a day and all he was obsessed about was his dying dog.
That clapping before his little speech was done to emphasize this point that it's not a big deal for him that so many people lost their jobs and their future ruined out of no fault of their own, yet he asked his team that they shouldn't even be remembered. The movie makers wanted you to compare this incredible insensitivity to workers plight with the emotions the big shark boss showed on his own dog's fate. This movie is a gem because of details such as these and how realistic they are in offices around the world.
Spacey utterly nails this scene - and this role. He’s one hell of an actor. It’s sad that his career is torpedoed…
In the end he says he "needs the money," confirming he extinguished any empathy for the rest of the market for survival, as his boss sold him on it
@@slomnim he "needs the money" because he's going through a divorce. It's not as simple as him buying into the company and what they did/are doing, because they purposely show him struggling with that moral dilemma and wanting out. But it's more he's selling his soul to the company because he's in financial trouble and now has no where to turn because he burnt all his bridges that day.
@@tm502010 I see a sexual predator who left a trail of at least 30 victims, including a 14 year old boy. He always has that creepy perverted look on his face in every role.
@@quantumcrash7266 I see a career ruined by hypocrites.
Lmao I like how awkward he looked when he found out about the dog.
Because psychopaths aren't good at faking emotions. A lot work in the business world
Superb acting. He really sold the "wtf but OK" expression
@@123apacino yeah I recognised that immediately
He was like "empathy? what's that" and then corrected himself. In a real world situation he would probably fake it perfectly immediately, but for the movie it was good to see inside their heads for a bit
@@MisterL2_yt If you watched the movie, his character was the one who had the strongest conscience. So, it's strange to say he was acting like he was faking it.
@@missionpupa I think it was just unexpected, especially from Kevin Spacey's character, that he would be so broken up.
A lot of companies should study this scene, You cant just axe a large percentage of the work staff and go hide in your office. You have to let the remaining staff get over "survivors guilt " and looking over there shoulder, not knowing if there is going to be another "blood letting "
LOL morale is shot by that point, everyone else left is putting resumes out.
Emotions? What are those?
The next day there...
It doesn't matter if there's a speech or not, people know layoffs are imminent and the speech is a formality.
@@nobytes2 Its the aftermath where management drops the ball,,,, or runs with it, You get bad management who leaves everyone else hanging, looking over their shoulder, and like Ken said, the good guys bailout out on perceived self-preservation. ,,, Without some kind of reassurance everyone isn't working,,,, they are thinking about the next bloodletting.... when things are slow, who is not worried about the pre-thanksgiving layoffs? We have all seen it, the best time for management to get rid of people, . far enough away from Christmas to not seem like a scrooge ..and save a 1/2 dozen paid holidays off.
We fired your coworkers today. Stop thinking about them. Get back to work!
What a great motivation speech.
Jesus Christ everybody need a motivational speech this days to do their work.. you're still getting paid and the others are not. i think it should be the biggest validation and motivation You can get.
0:32 That pause and the "I'm sorry" framed as question always makes me laugh.
He's accessing "human empathy"....He read about it in some freshman course once.
@@Lepidopray what was he supposed to say? You can have empathy but they are in serious situation and out of nowhere guy is starting talking about his private stuff regarding a dog when there is a big crisis ahead affecting many people. What was he supposed to do? Cry for him ? Then you would be happy. The idiocy of people like you makes me sick
The 2008 crisis story fascinated me. It’s still seems crazy to me that only a small handful of people could see what was coming. These banks were playing extremely risky games, and they knew they were handing out these super shady sub prime mortgages to hundreds of thousands of unqualified buyers. The banks have these risk departments filled with mathematicians, so hard to understand that almost none of them could figure out that these low income people weren’t going to pay their mortgages when their rates went through the roof
Man when comes to portraying selfishness, meanness, asholeness.... Spacey sure takes the cake... Miss you Spacey..
I’ve experienced both being axed and surviving, but in neither situation did I walk away with a couple of million dollars in bonuses. Hard to sympathize with any of them, especially after the turmoil that was wrought by their industry and greed.
This is just an amplification of what life is in most aspects in varying degrees, except that people r too selfish and/ or polite to acknowledge the truth.
The truth of the matter is that flying under the radar is a losing game. Make your bosses acquittance, be friendly or at least polite with him/her, do whatever he needs you to do, and be careful about you say about him/her to others. A little bit of paranoia goes a long way toward keeping your job.
After that, don't complain and if you need to, find the right way to do it, and don't find reasons to be angry. It's business. We're all at work to make money. If the place sucks or your management sucks (or both, as usually is the case), start working on another job.
Why is the volume set so low on Movieclips? Seriously! Annoying as hell!
So you can hear their tasty music at the end
They did well with humanizing Spacey with the dog dying and caring about the clients. He's on optimist throughout the film.
"If you need a friend get a dog...It's trench warfare out there buddy..." --- Gordon Gekko 1987 (from the film Wall St.)
Nobody wants to hear corporate BS after a layoff.
Trust me, it's worse NOT hearing corporate BS after a round of layoffs....
Nobody EVER wants to hear corporate BS. I identify with my family, my friends, my country, humanity. I do NOT identify with a frickin' company. Such pep talk baloney is doubly unbelievable as the ones delivering it are usually the first ones to leave the sinking ship at the first sign of trouble.
A good salesman can sell a bad product.
A great salesman can make you thankful for the opportunity to buy it.
A great salesman would not sell a bad product... that is the domain of scum bags.
Such an underrated movie, quality all around.
they all lost their job the next day
with a couple of millions in their pockets...
Yeah but with a 3 million dollar bonus
@bro ha they did isnt it ?
@@testertester6814 Though individuals may sell off 93% target, it would be much harder for the floor to do it.
Not all of them. Peter Sullivan got a promotion. Will Emerson, Sam Rogers, and all the higher ups stayed.
I find solace in this scene because of Sam, specially today that I lost my dog. It's hard to let your friend go, and you will do everything to keep him alive.
Having been through layoffs. Managers don't give a crap. HR don't give a crap. Nobody gives a crap. Because the people getting laid off wouldn't give a crap if role were reversed. That's human nature.
That is a completely insane worldview; normal people don’t conform to a psychotic natural state like that; you’re simply trying to validate poor decisions by imposing them on people not given the chance to make them.
Exactly. People wouldn't care the other way around. if company would be getting smashed they would left on their own but of course socialists and communist in comment can't comprehend that its not anybody's Obligation to keep you on a pay roll. It's a job you're getting paid for a service and when you are needed. That it. Nothin more.
I came from a poor family. I saw this happen early which showed me nobody cares about you. I lived far below my means and saved and invested. I became a millionaire far before retirement and now if and when they do this to me, I just smile and tell them thank you for the free vacation time. I won’t be crying like the rest.
I really like this peptalk where Sam looks so confident saying the people in this building are survivors. In the end, they all wanted to survive...
I was really worried that Stanley Tucci’s character committed suicide... and Will talking about jumping off the ledge was really unsettling
Keep in mind, that everyone there except the two executives were also out of work in 2 days.
Wtf 2:12 for anyone whos seen his role as frank underwood. “The very rules that you and I all agreed upon” damn got a flash back then.
Oh snap the finger pointing.. man was a damn good actor
spending $1000 a day just to keep his dog alive ... respect
The more I watch this movie the better I like the CEO. At least he's honest.
Yes he was honest about his outcome. He was the one who had put sharks into the sea in which he was fishing. Now, the boat has a hole in it and its going to sink. What the CEO does is takes the one life saver boat for himself in the dead of night and leaves everyone in the boat to fend for himself who all eventually die.
@@desirogerebert3562 he told his who team about it, didnt't he?
@@NisseOhlsen you're probably confusing a character Spacey played (top manager) with CEO played by Jeremy Irons
@@vasvas8914 no.
@@desirogerebert3562 They are in a dilemma that is much worse than the Prisoner's Dilemma.
“My dog is dying... actually don’t worry about that I have piles of MBS to sell.”
Quinto was so good in this.
He didn’t show enough deference or nervousness when facing off with Tuld. No way would a junior analyst ever talk to a CEO the way he spoke to Tuld. It took me out of the film.
"Here's 5 dollars. Now go buy yourself 5 more dogs" Tom Buchannon, The Great Gatsby.
here is how good this movie is - @ 1:29 there is a dude in a blue shirt in the background whose expression alone deserves an oscar... hell - his shirt deserves an oscar... not to mention the other talent in this movie
Is it you?
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He made the same acting as president Underwood in his famous "we played by the rules" speech, by pointing the finger to each and every one of them. Amazing.
That is a great scene
At my new job there are constant layoffs every one lives in fear especially now. I think of this film all the time
I know this is an old upload ...
But am I the only one to notice the 2/3rds bottle of Pepto-Bismol on Sam's desk ... quite aside from that stuff tastes disgusting, he must have been under a hella of a lot of stress to resort to taking it perhaps everyday, several times a day ...
I like being alerted to small details like that.
The cherry flavored is not bad.
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You're very welcome ...
... abet it is rare that I spot small details like that ... but perhaps only being able to watch films on a phone, means you can see those details ...
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Never tried that flavour myself ... maybe I should give it a try, for my stomach issues ...
I noticed that the first time I saw this movie. He must have the biggest ulcer ever.
I just love that Will smokes for the rest of the movie. He's like "screw it"
Absolutely excellent movie. One thing I don't quite understand, not in the clip, but at the beginning of the movie. When Eric Dale was let go and he was at the elevator with his boxes he gave a flash drive to Peter Sullivan, he said he had been working on something but hadn't finished, then as he passed it Peter Sullivan he said "be careful", knowing obviously it contained very serious information about the state of the company. If that had been me or you or anyone they wouldn't have said anything and let the company go broke. I mean the Eric Dale had just been let go!
@mattaddison19 I understand exactly what you are saying and agree. My point was Eric Dale was basically fired, so he would be 'pissed off' as anyone would? So why would he help the same company that fired him, by giving confidential information to another person to help the same company? I realize that if he hadn't given the flash drive to Peter Sullivan the whole premise of the movie wouldn't have worked.
@mattaddison19 Once again I agree, just a couple of points. One, if he hadn't given the flash drive to Peter Sullivan then this great film wouldn't have happened! Two I think the huge economic mess had already happened and the only saving grace was the company managed to sell worthless pieces of paper, but at the time he handed over the flash drive Eric Dale didn't know the full impact.
You're right... especially since its implied its part of the reason he got fired.
mikeymike1001 Watch that scene again.
Peter expressed sincere empathy, and gratitude apparently for how Eric had guided him when Peter joined the company.
Subsequently, Eric very naturally handed to Peter the thumb drive.
He had ESOP in the firm.
A really good movie, I can recommend it.
This movie is a real presentation of what happened in Finance trading floors and brokerage firm.... all finance people replaced by engineer, all traders by computers, assets being robotized while only a few human remains to cather to ''high net worth''
1.54 This is your opportunity
ROLL CREDITS!
All time great cast. Excellent movie!
Don’t want to be an employee, don’t want to be a customer, just want to be a shareholder.
If you are a shareholder then you are a customer and employee. You use Amazon you are a customer of your own paycheck and you are writing a fraction of a percent on it. And whether you share positive or negative news press or thoughts about using a given service you are an employee. By recommending the other people switch to say Disney+ over Netflix you are acting as the employee of that business.
The dog dying analogy is fantastic.
and at the end him burrying it in his ex wifes yard is just gut wrenching
@@rahulthukaram That's the other way of showing why he really needs the money. The divorce settlement must be bleeding him dry.
@@napoleonsolo5929 His ex wife got the house. Sam got the dog.
His dying dog represents his dying company he spent 30 years at
FreshlySnipes Yes! I picked that up too.
That's dumb.
Why making it so complicated? No, the dog is just a dog that he loved, that grew old and had to be put down. And he is mourning that dog. What connects it to the story is the simplicity and purity of his relationship with the dog, which is in stark contrast to the inescabable scheming, the duplicity, cutthroat nature of relationships in his professional life. The relationship to colleagues and co-workers is alone defined by their temporary usefulness and financial calculations. His relationship with the dog is defined by pure, altruistic love. And to experience that connection he had to turn to an animal, he cannot relate in that same manner with a member of his own species, a human being.
@@omnivorous65 Well said. I interpreted the death of the dog as symbolizing either the death of innocence in his life after what he was involved in at the firm, or perhaps even the seeming "death" of capitalism at the time of the financial crisis. But the way you put it makes more sense.
Or, the metaphor is the difference between rich pricks and simple hard working people - he doesn't get touched by the fact that a lot of people are gonna worry where to get the next paycheck from, and he doesn't have that concern because he's a rich prick.
That whistle was awesome! I so wish I could whistle like that, it’s an attention getter.
It's also like a whistle to call a dog...
My neighbours enjoyed the outro music
The role Kevin Spacey playing displayed good leadership ethics and tracts. He inspired his subordinate with honour and treated them with respect. I wish I could have a boss like him if I ever worked in an investment bank.
I don’t think I agree at all with anything you said. Everything Spacey’s character said was corporate BS. He didn’t really care deep down about anyone except himself and his dog
I always felt like keeping a dying dog alive is selfish. Its sad, but keeping them in agony just so that you dont feel bad for a few more days 😑 gotta let go sometimes. Let them move on in peace not pain.
Spacey: Keep your heads high, let's hear it
Movieclips: Turns outro sound to 800%
stop making your outro 10x louder than the actual video
Turn the volume up
Adjust your volume at the end, it always blows out my ear drums when the audio levels have been way lower for the entire clip and then you que the ending thing that is twice as loud.
Kevin Spacey is one hell of an actor
Damn. He gave the exact same "been with the firm for blah blah and I tell ya blah blah " at the pep talk before the fire sale which he 10 mins before told the analyst outside he'd never experienced in his career
No one had experienced the 2008 crash before so I mean yes he has experienced crashes but that was by far the biggest.
I was a loan guy then. There were so many snakes in the business I constantly felt the need to shower. I'm back in it now. The snakes are gone for now.
I like how the camera shifted slowly from sullivan to the right showing another guy. Seth is culled
Seth took his job for granted.
Then at the end, he had the audacity to cry and tell the #2 guy at the firm, Jared, that this career in finance was all he ever wanted to do. Sure, that’s why you were at the club drinking while Peter Sullivan was still at work saving the firm from financial ruin.
"I've been with this place...for 34-years."
PHIL LEOTARDO: "Damn. He got my by 14-years"
The most random soprano reference I've ever seen.
You guys are survivors. Now go home, and get your shine boxes.
This film is brilliant
Funny how his tone completely changes by the end of the film. When Tulde is giving him the exact same speech, he realizes how empty it sounds....
0:33 Will realizes that a normal human being who possesses empathy and isn't insanely self-absorbed would express sympathy for another person's impending loss. It doesn't come naturally to him...he has to assess how to respond and think about the appropriate thing to say.
Vision dgaf about Lex Luther’s dog lol
Yeah, don't whistle at me like I'm a dog.
Sad part is he cares more for dog than humans.
In this business. Totally realistic movie it is!
That actor with Kevin Spacey seems quite... Visionary... 😎
This pep talk is a real mix of cheesy and sincerity. It feels both honest and disingenuous. Kind of weird.
with some extra _"for the greater good"_ cheese
Will’s ambivalent “sorry”. Ouch. Anyone’s pet dying is a tragedy. I have to put my cat to sleep tomorrow as I write this and am torn so I know the feelings Kevin’s character is feeling
Back to ruthless ego stroking and manipulation. In a blink of an eye. If you feel you’re required to lead wolves instead of humans to survive the jungle you chose to live in, then you must show them you’re the most bloodthirsty.
If Kevin Spacey makes a comeback, it should be a biography of Johnny Carson; I'm not kidding, without trying he looks and sounds like him more and more as he ages.
I doubt he's making a come back
@@MightiestArm I doubt it too. But Chapelle is now making jokes about juveniles that possibly got molested by M.Jackson. I never thought that was possible after Cosby. The Spacey thing is very strange....but maybe too many accusations will come forward if he comes back.
I met him once north of Baltimore, as he was shooting a scene at a Winery for House of Cards, and he was very nice, and very accommodating for pictures, then he was forced off the show.
The finance business is absolutely heartless
my dog stepped on a bee
This guy can cry over his dying dog and yet do nothing but bankrupt millions of people and
wreck their families.
And that is why sociopathy exists on a spectrum. We are all sociopaths to some degree. The humanity of others exists only in their proximity, similarity and intimacy to us. A true saint cares for no one individually and yet is capable of weeping for - and making sacrifices to save - humanity as a whole.
The thing that the movie tries to explain is that they view what is going to happen as inevitable at that point. They cannot "stop it alter or even ever so slightly slow it down" so they focused on themselves which is sadly a very human thing to do.
This scene is right after half the people on that floor were fired. The viewer is tricked into thinking that Spaces is crying because of them, but you discover he's sad because of a dog. This shows how dehumanized these characters are.
If they were the best... They didn't have anybody stopping them unless there was some kind of inefficient way of doing things that got some lesser person getting a position they shouldn't have... Sounds more like an admittance that they don't know a damn thing about running a good business efficiently. Like, along with the massive layoffs, people didn't need anymore evidence of that...
You think the only variable that gets a person promoted is “being the best?” More often than not, it’s having a sponsor up the line backing you and carrying you with them that moves people up the ladder.
Typical greed and corruption in the private sector.
Paul Bettany looked like a young knackered office worker on this movie
157 years Mr Spacey not 107 years. How the hell was this not caught before release.
What does it profit a man to gain the world, but lose his soul? Very appropriate for this movie.
Are you sure?
Greate scene! I laughed so hard at the film festival. Was incredible to see how many people didn’t get the joke.
What's the joke?
@@28goldenboy hes emotional about his dog but insensitive about his coworkers
I see that bottle of Texas Pete hot sauce. That trader is a person of culture.
Man Kevin Spacey's such a good actor...what a bummer!
so why were all those people let go? I know they were all fired, but why were they fire?
"Now they're gone....and they are not to be thought of again" Spoken by a true Sociopath.......
This is real right there from experience
I don't want to work for a company who doesn't care about it's employees and it's clients
Sometimes, you just have to let the dog die or you'll end up losing way more than you ever could've imagined.
Remember in the board scene when he said "If you do this you will NEVER sell anything to anyone again". They all got laid off and were paid for their 1 day performance. Tomorrow morning NOBODY wants to talk to these guys. Remember the trading scene at the end of the day. "Hey its me" Customer "What the hell are you guys doing over there? I am hanging up Now!!"
It is like having a WORLD Wide Recall on your hamburgers that wiped out Millions of people and the next day your like where are all the customers ???
And to think, this is how 2023 will be in America.
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