Are Christians Allowed to be Sad? w/ Fr. Gregory Pine O.P.
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- Fr. Pine talks about joy and emotion in the Christian life.
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The description of happiness that you gave sounds so foreign to me right now. Pray for me, father, please.
For the past 8 years I have been struggling with intense feelings of sadness, increasingly so, as I've had to deal with the consequences of two grueling battles with cancer. The long-term effects of the illness itself, and the treatments have left me disabled and feeling very isolated (I am bedridden). My greatest source of joy in life is the Lord Himself, and I long to be as close to Him as possible. The miracles of Jesus' birth and resurrection stir deep feelings of joy in me, and I have often been blessed to feel physical pain or sickness (including nausea after chemotherapy, for example) lessen during and after prayer. The loneliness is such a heavy burden, though. I long to be among other human beings again, long to be able to go to work again and feel productive again, long to build a family, long to go to church, spend time in the company of friends, etc.
Please pray for me.
I will pray for you 🙏
I'm not Catholic, but you certainly have my prayers. That is difficult and i think loneliness is one thing that causes much of the sadness for human beings. It's a main cause of sadness, sometimes even when people don't realize it. Again, it is difficult. I felt much sadness when my husband was away and my kids were grown and doing their own thing with their own lives. It is the saddest part of my life, even though I've experienced some very difficult things
Being sad about being good isn't a good thing. Discern the spirits! (Paraphrasing St. Ignatius Loyola)
God bless Fr. Pine and OPs. I love y'all's videos
Thanks Father
So, virtue never requires privation or sacrifice?
@@kell_checks_in Why in the world would you think I meant that?
Why is this such a gas?
@@kell_checks_in if you want me to understand how you got that from them comment, you'll need to walk me through.
I like that he mentioned that some people romanticize sadness. There are those who cannot deal with seriousness or silence. Everything has to be exciting for them
John 11;35
If Jesus can weep and still be perfect, we can weep and still be Christians.
I’ve been having some really rough past couple days, can’t stop crying. Fr Gregory puts a smile on my heart, though. Thank you for your wisdom, always. 🤍
I'm so grateful for all of our Catholic monks and nuns! I recommend interviewing Brother Kevin Coffey, a Benedictine monk who is also an amazing artist and teacher.
I had a non-Christian friend ask recently why Catholics and Christians are so sad at funerals if they believe in God. This is the perfect video I can send her to answer that question. Thanks Fr Pine 😊
I cry when someone dies tragically like a car accident, drowning, etc. Hearing children suffering or young people dying is just too sad
If Jesus is described as "A man of sorrows" and Jesus never sinned, then there is nothing sinful in experiencing sorrow.
Joy is a choice just as being anxious for nothing, but presenting all of our concerns to God, with thanksgiving is a choice. That thanksgiving is where we find peace, and joy. In faith, we know the love of Christ, and in that we have security, and joy.
Thank you for this Father Pine
I find this “advice” and examination to be balanced and fair in Father Pines’ representation of the humanly experiential dichotomy of sadness and of happiness. When I am sad, and because I have disciplined myself to consider being sad as a call to prayer, I have come to a greater peace in renouncing that which hinders my happiness. I renounce criticism, blame, pessimistic ranting, and basic prejudice that is as discouraging as it is inaccurate and/or inappropriately posited. To console those who are sad, I’d have to say that it is not a personal sin unless feigned into existence on account of despairing and dwelling voluntarily on one’s demonically suggested inability to pray to God. I pray firstly with gratitude for what basic needs are satisfied in my life and then petition for the immaterial goods that one must have in place to feel satisfied about oneself enough to confidently present one’s self before the Lord in greatest confidence of His desire for your being.
We should be vigilant against obsession with material satisfaction, externalizing the work needed to overcome this present darkness, avoidance of recognizing our will and part in the sadness we experience, worry, regret, patronization of the ordinary, resentment, envy, blind optimism, pessimism, and despair on account of the presence in this world of suffering.
Know and accept yourself. Develop security and simplicity, adapt to the external reality, be uncontentious with reality, seek to act in accordance with rational thought, harmonize will and intellect and feelings, realize personal freedom and personal responsibility, favor creativity, choose goals that make you enthusiastic, order your work towards what is necessary, value gifts, dilute grievances by examining their importance, learn to give and receive affection, enjoy friendship, maintain a sense of humor, put God and others before yourself in the endeavor of loving without self-centeredness
And pray in the good and in the bad alike. No such thing as a fairweather saint!
Peace and love, to you and yours,
TK
“Choosing Happiness: Working Within” by Francisco Ugarte by Scepter Publishers is where I got these main ideas
PLEASE ost a similar discourse on anxiety 🙏🏻
Thanks Fr
Fr. Pine always has some great insights. I especially liked his point that it's OK to experience sadness as long as we are not overcome by it and fall into some kind of despair. There is always hope!
Thank you! This was so good.
Thank you, father! Very helpful
This was a very insightful explanation!
Father Pine is awesome! ❤
Today 111 years ago the RMS Titanic at 11:40 PM 4/14/19 collided with an iceburg 6 times her size. And at 2: 24 AM 4/15/19 the RMS Titanic struck the bottom of the atlantic. Out of 2,240 passengers only 712 survived.
Let me introduce you to our Lady of Sorrows lol
Father Pine, this might not make much sense to you, but I strongly you feel you can speak the beauty of the faith to Lex Friedman on his podcast. Is there a way you can arrange to get on?
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Jesus wept at the death of Lazarus and was sorrowful to the point of death in the garden of gethsemane
What do you say about Catholic Christians who are habitually miserable, unhappy, negative and unable to experience much of anything good or joyful, to the point of causing much pain to those around them? Can such Catholics be okay in the sight of God? Can one be in a state of grace if the fruits of the spirit are not evident? I know we cannot judge the heart of others
We are mourning and weeping in this vale of tears… it’s wonderful!
Joel 2 12
Now therefore saith the Lord: Be converted to me with all your heart, in fasting, and in weeping, and in mourning.
I don't think it is healthy to be that focused on the negatives. They would be insufferable
It is not for us to try and judge the weeds from the wheat.
Pray for such ones.
@@marvalice3455 It is joy to the just to do judgment: and dread to them that work iniquity.
Proverbs 21:15
For the Lord loveth judgment, and will not forsake his saints: they shall be preserved for ever. The unjust shall be punished, and the seed of the wicked shall perish.
Psalms 36:28
The mouth of the just shall meditate wisdom: and his tongue shall speak judgment.
Psalms 36:30
Blessed are they that keep judgment, and do justice at all times.
Psalms 105:3
Judge my judgment and redeem me: quicken thou me for thy word's sake.
Psalms 118:154
It is not good to accept the person of the wicked, to decline from the truth of judgment.
Proverbs 18:5
1 Corinthians 6
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to be judged before the unjust, and not before the saints?2 Know you not that the saints shall judge this world? And if the world shall be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?3 Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things of this world?4 If therefore you have judgments of things pertaining to this world, set them to judge, who are the most despised in the church.5 I speak to your shame. Is it so that there is not among you any one wise man, that is able to judge between his brethren?
John 7 24
24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge just judgment.
Do not any unjust thing in judgment, in rule, in weight, or in measure.
Leviticus 19:35
Let there be equal judgment among you, whether he be a stranger, or a native that offends: because I am the Lord your God.
Leviticus 24:22
And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king diligently, judgment shall be executed upon him, either unto death, or unto banishment, or to the confiscation of goods, or at least to prison.
1 Esdras (Ezra) 7:26
Can he be healed that loveth not judgment?
Job 34 17
Dominus flevit.
So can people experience unhealthy attachments so their sad reaction to loss is wrong?
Yes. That can certainly be so. But it's typically quite obvious when it is.
Like if you are sad at having a child, or if you are sad that you feel compelled to help someone. Those would be bad
Matthew 7:9((N.L.T.))😁
**One of the things that troubles me in these modern times is the narrative that things are better than they’ve ever been. Which, has made me reflect back quite a bit. After countless lives lost and unfathomable killings life is better? Dr. King’s death has made our lives better for example huh? Lol💎
I have a question and I can't seem to find the answer to it so I wanted to ask if you guys know about it...
During the giving of the Sacramental bread, the lady who was previously sitting at my left side was replaced with an old lady. I didn't mind it as much and continued to listen to the priest. When the mass was almost over, we did the usual routine of doing the sign of the cross. I was extremely shocked though when I saw the old lady doing it in the opposite way. Like from bottom to top. I got shivers and wanted to get away as fast as possible. I've heard how the upside down cross and praying in the opposite direction is wrong so I generated the thought that what she did was wrong as well. Because of what happened, I've been scared to go back to that church...
I'd love to hear you guys thoughts about it.
⚠️ Have you ever seen a sad Mormon? I rest my case.
Disordered denial. They have no peace, real peace that only comes from knowing and receiving Christ in the Eucharist.
Do you think there is disordered sadness? Some people feel excessively sad when someone leaves. They develop unhealthy attachments
@@IONov990 Yes, it's unhealthy to be 'sad' all the time just as it is unhealthy to be 'happy' all the time. Something is off kilter there when you dig deeper. Peace is where the healthy point is, so whether there are events that make you happy/sad/angry... all the normal human emotions, at your core you are at peace - peace while all around you is a sea of chaos. The Catholic Church is the ark on the storm.
@@IONov990 just because one gets very sad when someone leaves, does not mean it is an unhealthy attachment. Not at all. My husband and i have been together almost 30 years and are best friends along with husband and wife. When he is away for an extended period, i feel a part of myself is missing and yes it's very difficult and i get sad. That is normal ,i would think, since when one marries, they become one flesh according to the bible. That isn't an unhealthy attachment. That is normal.
Many. Also angry Mormons, envious Mormons, etc.
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