Would love to see a video explaining the process it took to get that BVLOS waiver. It doesn't seem like those are given out very often so any insights would be great.
Great video. Seems a shame you didn't even try to land, get them to put a new battery in and then just see if you could connect to the drone again? That would be legal wouldn't it? Just to see if it still connects and carries on working?
It is silly, but they don’t want you flying drones. They can fly drones. You cannot. Politicians don’t want you filming them doing their dirty business.
When you launch from a hill over the desert you will get some good range. Put a few trees in the way and fail safe. Mine fail safes at 200 meters because of some thicker trees. Battery ejected and it was hard to find. Good idea updating the home point every couple of thousand feet.
@@PilotInstitute He meant to suggest taking off with the drone with 2 miles headstart, just to see if signal would hold for 2 more miles compared to what was achieved in the video. So you'd drive the drone two miles away, and then take off and continue going in the same direction.
@@mariokotlar303I'd like to see this test as well. It's not really going to be useful for most real world uses but it would still be interesting to see.
I went 3.6km in Europe, and back again, still had 27% battery left. Zero wind. It’s a shame we don’t have the same range in Europe as I was losing signal at 3.6km
My Avata 2 went into fail safe RTH twice and my Mini 4 pro still had max signal during identical tests less than 1000 feet away. Signal can go from bad to worse with little time to react especially when flying in manual mode. To be fair, the conditions in your run were superb.
Greg, does flying in an urban environment significantly cut back the distance, due to signal loss from multiple signal interference sources? Great video! Thanks
It depends on where the goggles are, not where the drone is. The goggles are listening. Any RF source is some radio shouting. If that shouting is to loud, the goggles can't hear the video signal. So you need to find places where the goggles do not pick up any other RF around 2.4 and 5.8
I live in Canada and its October so its already chilly. I fly my avata 2 from my main door (just inside the house) and I see no noise within 10 blocks worth of range even with a couple buildings inbetween but you really wouldnt want to fly manual beyond that point. I would say this - if you arent flying from indoors and not super close to a building next (alteast 20 feet away) AND you can get a street between VLOS and the drone, you would have easily 2kms worth of comfortable urban range. It still wont fly super far (I think more than a KM) in manual mode though. Still a solid drone to get into fpv.
When you say that 5000 feet is nuts what do you mean by that? Just that it's different than the line of sight distance without the waiver? I don't see anything that seems nuts 🤷♂️
Soooo.... Wow, why does DJI post this thing has an 8 MILE range (no wind at sea level and a few other specific settings), when it really comes nowhere close to that? Some serious false advertising.
I can go to the desert with a long range rifle by myself and shoot rounds legally all day, I need a special waver to fly my drone behind visual LOS? Who is tracking my bullets? Nobody. This is all preposterous.
I flew over the harbor in my town to check out all the boats on moorings. I cant get more than a mile without near total loss of signal with perfect VLOS and no obstructions with the Avata 2. All these range test videos put my performance to shame LOL.
What are you talking about would rather loose signal rth before loosing battery at 22000ft out atleast you know it coming to your original return home point before battery loss. I know my signal from my backyard will go way before the point in which the drone will not make it home thats close to 4kms. Thats great knowing I can push it as far as I can from my house and not worry about it dying on the way home. Know the opposite Id be running out for it trying to find it.
@@PilotInstitute in relation to the surrounding terrain where the drone was flying. (How much higher were you than the receiving drone), VHF UHF are line of site frequencies)
We thought about it but landing made us lose connection because it was just a bit too far out of sight so we likely couldn’t have connected back to the drone.
Watch out folks that want to buy Avavta 2.. Only if you own one of a limited number of phone models will you be able to download and use the DJI Fly App and therefore you will not be able to set it up... I'm returning an Avata 2 I just bought due to this.
This video demonstrates why people ignore the VLOS rule. You are in the middle of nowhere. There is essentially ZERO risk by flying beyond VLOS in this environment. There is no legitimate reason for a VLOS restriction in this scenario. Hence, it gets ignored. The same way mask mandates, social distancing, & Covid jabs were ignored.
@@PilotInstitute If you're nowhere near an airport and flying at 100-200 ft... aren't manned aircraft supposed to stay above 500 ft except for landing and takeoff?
You're completely wasting the very waiver you did all that paperwork to obtain. You do know, don't you, that hugging the ground like that greatly impedes RF propagation at those frequencies? All this proves is what we already know about microwave RF propagation over the ground, it doesn't actually test the RF performance of your equipment.
I'm certain this is Educational should you WISH to fly under all of the dumbass rules - This shows how dumbass the rules are - Don't need sixteen people with cameras when you see EVERYTHING. I figure I'll wait until KAREN finds me ....
Recreational pilots are allowed to traverse over people and traffic, as long as it is not a sustained flight, and they do not need the classification of drones. The letter of the law says that. I also want to point out, we are currently trying to save drones from being banned, dji ones in particular. For 107 sustained flights, there's currently no approved drone. It will be impossible due to "impact force rating". What this means is there's no legal 107 flights that could be over vehicles or people, ie pretty much any real estate flight, etc. There is an advisory circular that said it was not intended to be a form of a ban, so many still just do their job an obey the law the best they can. I still think you teach a great course an will recommend it to anyone. But the interpretation of the law in that regard is to much for me to just not say anything. It essentially says I can't fly my drone in my neighborhood, which is not sitting well. And I get it, why should recreational pilots be held to a different standards then 107. Theres nothing stopping a 107 pilot from operating like this either. Just as of now, sustained flights are a no go. Its essentially a de facto ban, which the community is trying desperately to stop congress from hammering the nail in the coffin. A similar issue is how high one can fly. To many people think 107 can fly above the building, but recreational flights can't. Well the letter of the law says otherwise. Some airspace restrictions limit the height, and 107 and rec are both responsible for that. On reporting people. If it doesn't look like someone is going to do something "destructive" with a weaponized drone, I would just say leave the person an flight alone. Sorry for the long winded post. But these things need to be addressed. Recoveryonedrone is another one who likes to push different interpretations of the law that are more restrictive then actually intended. I would hope you change your snarky tone an your pushed advice on who can fly how, and when in line with intended regulations. Good luck Greg. ADDED fundamentally, stop suggesting people confront pilots flying a drone. It is contributing to absolute madness.
Use paragraphs. If you're gonna cite the letter of the law you need to paste the letter of the law, Or at least reference the law so people can look it up.
Would love to see a video explaining the process it took to get that BVLOS waiver. It doesn't seem like those are given out very often so any insights would be great.
That’s why we made a course about how to get waivers. It takes some back and forth for sure.
@@PilotInstitute just found it! Thanks!
Great video. Seems a shame you didn't even try to land, get them to put a new battery in and then just see if you could connect to the drone again? That would be legal wouldn't it? Just to see if it still connects and carries on working?
Yeah use all 3 and find out the absolute max.
i have a bvlos waiver also it goes into effect every time I take out my drone
LOL...i don't know anyone who would bother with getting a visual observer for FPV flying. Seems silly.
It’s being filmed.
It is silly, but they don’t want you flying drones. They can fly drones. You cannot. Politicians don’t want you filming them doing their dirty business.
Like bring your 80 year old grandad with you while you’re flying.. unable to spot through the binoculars. Load of bollocks init
I just like having one so I don’t get jacked by thieves walking up on me without being able to see them (on the previous goggles)
Same. I just let it rip
When you launch from a hill over the desert you will get some good range. Put a few trees in the way and fail safe. Mine fail safes at 200 meters because of some thicker trees. Battery ejected and it was hard to find. Good idea updating the home point every couple of thousand feet.
Love how you did a one way distance NO one does this.... Good job!!!!
nice test I know now that AVATA 2 its a really deal
Could you have taken off 2 miles out with a full battery and test if it would go out farther?
Because of the landscape, as soon as we landed, we lost signal, which would have made it difficult to get a connection back.
@@PilotInstitute He meant to suggest taking off with the drone with 2 miles headstart, just to see if signal would hold for 2 more miles compared to what was achieved in the video. So you'd drive the drone two miles away, and then take off and continue going in the same direction.
@@mariokotlar303I'd like to see this test as well. It's not really going to be useful for most real world uses but it would still be interesting to see.
I went 3.6km in Europe, and back again, still had 27% battery left. Zero wind.
It’s a shame we don’t have the same range in Europe as I was losing signal at 3.6km
Nice testing, the Avata 2 has some decent range. Thanks for sharing Greg.
That is seriously impressive! "The Harry Potter Controller!" You thought I met the 4.22 miles in range didn't you?
7km. That’s Epic. Thanks from Wales 🏴
My Avata 2 went into fail safe RTH twice and my Mini 4 pro still had max signal during identical tests less than 1000 feet away.
Signal can go from bad to worse with little time to react especially when flying in manual mode. To be fair, the conditions in your run were superb.
Greg, does flying in an urban environment significantly cut back the distance, due to signal loss from multiple signal interference sources? Great video! Thanks
It depends on where the goggles are, not where the drone is. The goggles are listening. Any RF source is some radio shouting. If that shouting is to loud, the goggles can't hear the video signal. So you need to find places where the goggles do not pick up any other RF around 2.4 and 5.8
@@KainniaK Thanks much appreciated!👍
I live in Canada and its October so its already chilly. I fly my avata 2 from my main door (just inside the house) and I see no noise within 10 blocks worth of range even with a couple buildings inbetween but you really wouldnt want to fly manual beyond that point. I would say this - if you arent flying from indoors and not super close to a building next (alteast 20 feet away) AND you can get a street between VLOS and the drone, you would have easily 2kms worth of comfortable urban range. It still wont fly super far (I think more than a KM) in manual mode though. Still a solid drone to get into fpv.
More range than i anticipated. Nice work Greg
Thanks, Greg for showing us this legal range test.
Thanks for the test! Cheers from Brazil
so in summary you need 4 people to fly this in a straight line out in the boondocks with approval. thanks!
You could only use 2 people for this total if you didn’t fly FPV.
No joy in this type of flying. If I only flew with other dudes standing around watching and talking to me ruins the experience. No thanks.
@@brianjagger6499I totally agree with you
what radios do you recommend for comms with your remote VO's?
I didn't realize Cottonwood was so desolate. Great flight!
A lot of areas outside of cities in Arizona and the West in general look like this. Tons of open land around here.
Excellent flight and video, thank you.
Very nice. Entertaining as well. Thanks for making the video.
Lame not a time goes by when i fly i dont go at least 2 to 3 miles out
I would never fly with these guys. So boring and lame.
My avata 2 runs flawless in open territory, but around large trees it won't go beyond a thousand feet.
Thanks much, nice controlled landing, considering battery capacity 😊❤
Not sure you could get that distance with hills or buildings blocking you. But cool none the less.
Definitely couldn’t.
Heads up. The antennas pointing the gravel
When you say that 5000 feet is nuts what do you mean by that? Just that it's different than the line of sight distance without the waiver?
I don't see anything that seems nuts 🤷♂️
How to update RTH ?
When I fly in residential my flight distance is limited , is it because the RC signal is line of sight ?
Soooo.... Wow, why does DJI post this thing has an 8 MILE range (no wind at sea level and a few other specific settings), when it really comes nowhere close to that? Some serious false advertising.
Nice job!
I can go to the desert with a long range rifle by myself and shoot rounds legally all day, I need a special waver to fly my drone behind visual LOS? Who is tracking my bullets? Nobody. This is all preposterous.
I flew over the harbor in my town to check out all the boats on moorings. I cant get more than a mile without near total loss of signal with perfect VLOS and no obstructions with the Avata 2. All these range test videos put my performance to shame LOL.
What are you talking about would rather loose signal rth before loosing battery at 22000ft out atleast you know it coming to your original return home point before battery loss. I know my signal from my backyard will go way before the point in which the drone will not make it home thats close to 4kms. Thats great knowing I can push it as far as I can from my house and not worry about it dying on the way home. Know the opposite Id be running out for it trying to find it.
impressive
Only works when you have a straight line when you have no trees in the way... #justsaying
Missed that in the video. #justsaying
Almost 100 thousand subscribers, How are we going to celebrate??
Good question. Recommendations?
@@PilotInstitute Get all of your drones in the air at the same time and race!
5000 feet is nothing for the avata 2, my current record is 14000 feet.
I'm Curious what elevation you were at with the controller 🤔
In relation to what?
@@PilotInstitute in relation to the surrounding terrain where the drone was flying. (How much higher were you than the receiving drone), VHF UHF are line of site frequencies)
The altitude you see on the screen is altitude above take off point. We definitely were high enough for line of sight for the controller.
Ver impressive!
My dad owns the FAA, you are going straight to jail.
Jason… Union Break is over. Get back to work. 😮 Did you get a cup of soup with that hat? Asking for a friend 😂
Nice!
I was hoping you'd replace the battery and keep flying from there. For science, of course.
We thought about it but landing made us lose connection because it was just a bit too far out of sight so we likely couldn’t have connected back to the drone.
Watch out folks that want to buy Avavta 2.. Only if you own one of a limited number of phone models will you be able to download and use the DJI Fly App and therefore you will not be able to set it up... I'm returning an Avata 2 I just bought due to this.
What do you have, a Nokia? 8310.
@@McStoolio the point is that I shouldn't need a phone at all... but if curious, it was a Pixel 7 pro.
@@chuckrogers5077 lol, I have a 7 Pro, in the UK. Works just fine. I wonder why you had problems?
Great Job guys LMAO
9:51 Breaking bad meth RV.
135 waver
He's using the love toy controller, lol.
So is this how Amazon and the like do it... Have people spread out along their flight path...
This video demonstrates why people ignore the VLOS rule. You are in the middle of nowhere. There is essentially ZERO risk by flying beyond VLOS in this environment. There is no legitimate reason for a VLOS restriction in this scenario. Hence, it gets ignored. The same way mask mandates, social distancing, & Covid jabs were ignored.
They have a waiver
There’s never zero risk. And middle of nowhere on the ground doesn’t mean no manned aircraft flying around.
@@PilotInstitute If you're nowhere near an airport and flying at 100-200 ft... aren't manned aircraft supposed to stay above 500 ft except for landing and takeoff?
Nope. Helicopters can fly below 500 feet pretty much anywhere.
@@PilotInstitute Good to know.
You're completely wasting the very waiver you did all that paperwork to obtain. You do know, don't you, that hugging the ground like that greatly impedes RF propagation at those frequencies? All this proves is what we already know about microwave RF propagation over the ground, it doesn't actually test the RF performance of your equipment.
You realize that the controller is up on a hill, right?
@@PilotInstitute Look at your altitude: see that minus sign in front of it? What is the aircraft's altitude above ground on the trip?
AGL was about 100-150 the entire time during this flight.
@@PilotInstitute Exactly. Do you know why that was a problem for your test?
Lame, I fly BVLOS all the time
I'm certain this is Educational should you WISH to fly under all of the dumbass rules - This shows how dumbass the rules are - Don't need sixteen people with cameras when you see EVERYTHING. I figure I'll wait until KAREN finds me ....
@@billflynn6903 couldn't agree more. Platoon of people to fly a piece of plastic. Those rules are retarded
Honestly, the notion that you're supposed to see a drone the size of your hand at 400 ft or whatever... without any aid, too 🙄
@@billflynn6903 We've identified who the rules are for.
Recreational pilots are allowed to traverse over people and traffic, as long as it is not a sustained flight, and they do not need the classification of drones. The letter of the law says that. I also want to point out, we are currently trying to save drones from being banned, dji ones in particular. For 107 sustained flights, there's currently no approved drone. It will be impossible due to "impact force rating". What this means is there's no legal 107 flights that could be over vehicles or people, ie pretty much any real estate flight, etc. There is an advisory circular that said it was not intended to be a form of a ban, so many still just do their job an obey the law the best they can. I still think you teach a great course an will recommend it to anyone. But the interpretation of the law in that regard is to much for me to just not say anything. It essentially says I can't fly my drone in my neighborhood, which is not sitting well. And I get it, why should recreational pilots be held to a different standards then 107. Theres nothing stopping a 107 pilot from operating like this either. Just as of now, sustained flights are a no go. Its essentially a de facto ban, which the community is trying desperately to stop congress from hammering the nail in the coffin. A similar issue is how high one can fly. To many people think 107 can fly above the building, but recreational flights can't. Well the letter of the law says otherwise. Some airspace restrictions limit the height, and 107 and rec are both responsible for that. On reporting people. If it doesn't look like someone is going to do something "destructive" with a weaponized drone, I would just say leave the person an flight alone. Sorry for the long winded post. But these things need to be addressed. Recoveryonedrone is another one who likes to push different interpretations of the law that are more restrictive then actually intended. I would hope you change your snarky tone an your pushed advice on who can fly how, and when in line with intended regulations. Good luck Greg. ADDED fundamentally, stop suggesting people confront pilots flying a drone. It is contributing to absolute madness.
Recreational pilots are NOT allowed to do that, at all.
Use paragraphs.
If you're gonna cite the letter of the law you need to paste the letter of the law, Or at least reference the law so people can look it up.