The Problem With Internet Photography
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If the shots are supposed to be around a used phone ? I find it strange your image examples are new phone style shots which would not put across the old / used phone concept.
@@grimlightwildoutdoors apart from the item being changed, this is taken from an actual brief I’ve shot.
Sean Tucker. Factual. Caring. Proven. Genuine. Accurate. Skilled. Helpful. Even though he doesn’t do as much portraiture as me, it doesn’t matter. His work, and his teachings apply across all photography genres. Keep rockin man; I appreciate you and what you do here. -Rusty
Thanks for the mention Scott
Thanks for the content Karl
Karl was the first guy I thought as a great source of "no bullshit photography channel".
Thanks for the endorsement my friend, though I still stand by that I'm a total hack 🤪
haha Nonsense. Your images are great as is your very down to earth approach and sharing :)
i wont admit to watching your video's
Though I'm painfully aware of how much of a beginner I am at both photography and what the bleeding hell all the buttons do, I've valued James Popsys's channel. I enjoy his sense of humour and felt the philosophy of taking a picture about something rather than of something may be my favourite bit of advice I've seen.
Jamie Windsor does have interesting thought on photography / filmmaking and I have the feeling James Popsys is an honest landscape photographer ;)
I will second your thought about Jamie Windsor! If I need to describe his channel... is inspirational rather then prescriptive!
I'm always telling customers at the photolab that RUclips is great to see how their particular camera works but to buy a "how to" photography book from a charity shop that was published in the 70's or 80's to learn the fundamentals. The rules of exposure haven't changed. Rule of thirds hasn't changed and lighting techniques haven't really changed either.
Never rely on one source for information is generally a good rule in life.
I agree. When Digital came along people thought you don't need the fundamentals. "The rules of exposure haven't changed. Rule of thirds hasn't changed and lighting techniques haven't really changed either."
My photography improved when I started studying art and ignoring content specifically for photographers.
Sean Tucker, his videos are beautifully shot and well thought out. He’s a very humble guy, definitely worth a watch.
His content is way more about presentation and what is more likely to go viral than it is about valid practical substance. He doesn't really pass the test for me: is he actually doing commercial photography or is he just making videos about it? His website only has a few portraits and then some street photography - what's he actually getting hired for? His how-to videos tend to be more discussion around a topic than actually telling you how to do something. In one video, he gives examples of "professional photographers" on screen but they're all instagram accounts by people who don't even have websites, their photos are typical IG "photographer" fair of travel photos all processed with the exact same trendy LR presets, and none of the images are commissioned. IOW, his examples are just "internet photographers" and that's because Sean Tucker is an internet photographer. In fact, his website has more real estate dedicated to promoting his youtube account than it does promoting his actual photography.
In his video on pricing, he explicitly says he's not a successful business person and not an expert on this topic. Because his expertise is on SPEAKING, not photography itself
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I’m a big fan of Sean Tucker content, thanks for sharing and the knowledge you share is extremely helpful and I’m so grateful that you are so open in general.
Oh, and Karl Taylor is someone with an internet presence who I think provides a lot of great information as he’s a working commercial photographer. He does have an educational site you can subscribe to that offers good, practical information for photographers of varying skill levels. For example, he’s got detailed instruction on setups from 1 to 5 lights, designing and building sets, working in small spaces with white backgrounds, etc. His YT channel isn’t always as informative, but still very good compared to many others out there.
Gerald Undone is amazing too. And Three Blind Men and an Elephant
Daniel Norton is great, both his business and philosophy videos which come from years of working, and his photography videos- especially since he takes time to get lighting etc right in camera and doesn’t rely on presets or post.
Dave McKeegan is also good, he can get nerdy which is really helpful, his video on what causes noise is my go to explanation when people ask.
Lastly, Gerald Undone has fantastic technical videos.
Another vote for Zack Arias. Genuinely good guy. His words (and actions) have helped me at some of my darkest moments.
And Camera Conspiracies. "All I want is the perfect camera" has lodged itself permanently in my brain. I hum it walking down the street. I see the Canon Cripple Hammer where-ever I go. And I don't shoot for Bokeh any more. I shoot for Toneh. Sometimes I shoot for Toneh 2, sometimes I'm in the mood for Toneh 4. But you can never have enough Toneh in your life.
Good: Thomas Heaton, Steve Mattheis, Adam Gibbs and Nick Carver.
No talk about the business aspects and willing to show what went wrong - which can be the best type of lesson.
I like Daniel Norton, Seth Miranda and Gavin Hoey for their down to earth advice and how to videos. For the philosophy side Sean Tucker is the main dude. And Kris Karl for his photopodcasts with togs and models
Daniel and Seth are an amazing team. Gavin is so good with his small workspaces. So much info through them.
@@brad_in_yyc yep especially Seth using a pizza box as a reflector
@@andrewchisholm3665 Just the amount of knowledge that team has is astounding.
@@brad_in_yyc yes and they are so eager to share unlike some youtubers who think they are the guardians of photography
@@andrewchisholm3665 Karl Taylor and Peter Coulson are pretty good for their subgenres.
My personal list of timeless photographers
Richard Avedon, Platon, Greg Heisler, Dan Winters, Joe McNally, Zack Arias, David Hobby, Nick Fancher.
I haven't been able to find anyone equivalent to these guys for technical proficiency and storytelling.
We had this same issue in the 1980’s with the seminar circuit. Back then, you’d pay money for a class, cassette tapes, VHS tapes, or a book. I transitioned from a studio photographer to a rep in the industry, and when visiting the studios of many who I respected, I was stunned by the crap work they actually produced and the shambles that was their studio/store.
I highly recommend Gary Gough as a landscape and fine art photographer. I find his videos excellent. Also Adam Gibbs has a very enjoyable RUclips channel.
Seth Miranda has been preaching this for a long time on his discord. About how much misinformation there really is out there. Thank you for putting this out there. I've found you have some great views on this. The Adorama Crew is amazing. David Bergman's camera knowledge is amazing. I totally agree with Sean Tucker and Karl Taylor. The Bite Shot too. Joanie is brilliant.
Tony Northrup is absolutely terrible and full od misinformation and opinion that strats so far from fact.
@Brad Macmillan, not saying you're right or wrong about Tony Northrup, but could you provide some examples of what you mean about his info being wrong? I've found his style to be _dismissive_ at times, but not outright wrong. The issue is that I know very little and might miss the finer details.
Aside from plugging SquareSpace or KEH, I haven't seen him and Chelsea try to hawk anything besides their merch, which I generally take as a good sign. Do you feel like they have a bias in some direction or another? If so, which?
@@Sawta you can start with the video regarding aps-c Vs full frame and aperture
I don't think ADORAMA is the best resource out there. Especially some of the contract employees doing content for them.
@@waynosfotos if you look at the OnSet with Daniel Norton, or OnSet Live with Daniel and Seth, then yes they do mention the equipment they are using. And it is expensive equipment. But they are also saying you don't need that to make similar results.
However, what they DO is show you great techniques on how to work with light. How things things work and why. That is what you can take away from those videos. I have never learnt so much and so fast after watching their videos compared to other resources I have seen
Obviously Adorama is a business and the videos are good way of attracting potential customers. But the content is provided free and is really good.
@@vegaryfoss179 Yeah, Daniel Norton is real info. He's a working photographer and it that is clear from everything he shows you. You can trust his advice is coming from real world experience.
OMG Scott - I've been wanting to make this exact video for ages. Very glad you did it and of course I whole-heartedly agree with your point. May you receive millions of views on this one.
Go for it!
Thing is, you and I and the professionals out there know the difference between a photographer on RUclips and a youtuber with a camera. But how can you blame the public for not understanding the difference? We know better, we (if we care) should use our space to try to inform the public so they can figure it out. One reason why I love Sean Tucker, aside of knowing what a great person is in real life, is that his videos are never a rant but instead they provide valuable and punctual information. Even when he published the video where he said no street photographer should be afraid of cropping, editing, etc (of course he said more than that), it was not a rant and he was not pointing the finger against anybody. Instead he presented all the famous examples that would serve his argument. To me, that's how you can try to win this battle.
And it's not just the public, brands are guilty of nurturing this culture too. I know for example Canon have dropped official photographers for not having enough followers. And Nikon promoted as ambassador someone who flies drones illegally around airports but has 70K+ followers on instagram (most of which fake by the way). So they're very much guilty of favouring and promoting the numbers in the first place.
You really need to know what you want from photography to know which channels will "entertain" you. For me you fit the bill as does Sean Tucker and a few others. Chris and Jordan entertain but that is just gear. The angry photographer occasionally reminds me of, well, I will leave that to your judgement.
I read a children's story many years ago where someone was lost in a forest. They came across a signpost pointing in four directions. Where you came from; where you are going; where you want to go and where you ought to go. I find it a good sieve for my decision making..
So very very true.
The very worst, to me, are those who make money selling people a false 'lifestyle' as a photographer. All you need to do to attain this 'authentic' utopia, is subscribe to their Patreon and/or take their workshops.
Worse is when you know what is going on behind the curtain...
Frankly, I've enjoyed many of your previous videos. But, THIS is - by far - the BEST video you've done. Why? Because it addresses a terribly important issue: The plague of incorrect and unnecessary information from the "RUclips Guru."
I truly appreciate your honesty and integrity. Thank you.
Yes to Zack Arias, I've given him a lot of my money over the years. Also Ted Forbes (The Art of Photography) he's a bit more about gear these days ( I think just to stay competitive on RUclips) but I started watching his video podcasts in 2008 and it's how I got into photography.
Yeah Ted Forbes is amazing!
I sort of feel the same way as you - but I think it is more that many RUclipsrs stop doing real work with real clients. That's what frustrates me. I'm not perfect but I'm making a good living filling a need for my clients. No one shows the detail it takes to get something submitted for broadcast. The endless calls with corporate marketing teams. Or they don't explain the reality of post-processing a "banger" so it can be used by the client. It's not that I want to see that, I just would rather watch people that have experience with it than are dedicated to filming their next review. Keep up the great and honest work.
In order to escape this phenomenon, I tend to look up cinema/film/video resources on lighting because its harder to pull off the "internet photographer" schtick in that field. Aputure has a lot of great videos on lighting and very literal how-to videos.
I enjoy fototripper. Yes, it is focussed on entertainment, but you can learn quite a lot in between and it gets me excited to go out and shoot which is quite important I think. The channels that are often linked with fototripper also aren’t bad. Adam Gibbs, Thomas Heaton, Michael Shainblum. In terms of gear review I think Christopher Frost is great for lenses.
Sean Tucker, Jamie Windsor, James Popsys, Ted Forbes, Huge Brownstone, Daniel Milnor, and Ben Staley. As a comedic mention Kasey from Camera Conspiracies if you want pure comedy from someone who knows a LOT of nothing about cameras. 🤣🤣🤣
I don't watch Camera Conspiracies for the reviews. I go there to learn the nuances of toneh, how to use it with true purpose. In photography and life.
@@WatchThatFirstStep 😂😂😂
@@WatchThatFirstStepThat and board room meetings.
Great list, literally have been subbed to all of them for a while now :)))
Oh my gosh THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!!! About time someone speaks out about this ish! There's a young cat on youtube that's barely new and he's regurgitating words from other people promoting so much contamination to other newbies. The blind leading the blind is absolutely correct. I'm not going to call people out because let's face it, today's people rely on youtube and honestly, at least they are picking up some sort of knowledge about photography. It's blind knowledge but it's improved from not knowing anything... HOWEVER, I will still say the people passing this information needs to remove themselves from the close mindset and these made up unicorn rules and regulations that makes new photogs to become so closed-minded. If all you shoot is "models" and your photos are the exact same from the 3+ years only you shot, you do not need to be telling people about how to shoot models.
Same goes for lighting, if you can't manipulate lighting beyond fully lit subjects and think shadows are not good, you do not need to be discussing what "bad lighting" is and telling people to only shoot from one direction... on and on in the same manner in etc. I come from a world where there was no internet and the only knowledge you had was from professionals only. People have taken photography out of it's own element and made regulations about "wrong vs right" and it's mainly United States people only lol. Yes I'm from good ol Texas, but my styles are Bulgarian, European and Canadian style... some other styles I've discovered too from learning from others in the industry that seems to flow across other professionals. First thing is first and start getting out there and start busting ass and removing this bs mindset that photography is a one-way street when it's not, teaching NEW photogs how to develop their own style and stop regurgitating from other people... learn to use your own style and evolve not copy-cat.
What a cracking video, Scott!
I own another business (estate agency) and have been in business for 13 years. Photography/video I started more seriously just over a year ago and I can safely say that I quickly picked up on who to listen and learn from quite early on and it was the people that have a proven track record and are consistent with their work. They tend to be very good business minded people too.
Thanks for putting this out there, best video I’ve watched for quite some time 👍
Thanks. I wasn't sure if I had made the point well or not.
@@TinHouseStudioUK it was short and to the point, kept it very simple and clear. I’m a big fan of honesty and clarity (another Karl Taylor fan!). Keep these vids going please 😊👍
For photographic history etc Jamie Windsor is by far my favourite, his stuff is so thought provoking and he seems like such a great guy.
True words Scott. So much disinformation on the internet these days.
Honesty folks do your research and find 2-3 good solid channels and resources to learn from and ignore the rest.
Unless you are buying you don't need to be watching review channels and even then i would not bother... they don't know you or how you work.
Well said!
Even when you are buying you shouldn’t listen to those review channels. Most of them are shilling for their favorite brand and are completely exaggerating the flaws of any other system.
I worked as a University Lecturer during the time the internet was talking of and can identify your comments regarding validation. We took great care to encourage our students to critically evaluate recieved wisdom. to understand the difference between articles in peer reviewd journals and opinion pieces on the web or in trade papers and to realise that the sum total of human knowledge is not held within Wikipedia..
Unfortunately many have not been exposed to this form of training and the sayiing bullshit baffles brains is all too true in the photography area. My personal bugbear is channels that regularly put out videos with titles along of "X essential steps to amazing images". I totalled these up for one popular landscape photography and got to well over 100 tips in a couple of year period.
great video !! for me Karl Tyler and PHOTIGY for product photography. for food PHOTOGRAPHY, We Eat Together, the bite shot & TIN HOUSE STUDIO :D
the lesson to take back, is that technicality will never make a photograph powerful, through meaning and direction do you create a powerful body of work!
I am a men er of Karl Taylor Education and also follow The bite shot, and I am very happy with both of these creators, they are simply amazing and have been crucial to a good start for me in this field, avoid all the bad advice and stick with the real professionals that really know their craft.
THANK YOU THANK THANK YOU! As a working photographer and videographer this year I invested in a lot of new kit and so wanted to do ample research, in doing so I came to the realisation that a huge majority of the stuff I was being told was utter tosh. I began researching these RUclipsrs and influencers and concluded that a majority have no experience to validate their content.
I see ALOT of youtubers who give super technical advice and reviews on cameras and lenses, but the actual quality of their work is very standard or sub par.
I agree, although I also don't see this as a negative as such. The people I ask for tech advise are great at tech, but maybe not always (not in every case) as good as the creative side. Always worth picking and chosing people with the best info in the very specific subject you need help on :)
DP Reviews are great for tech advice.
@@brad_in_yyc how about Northup ? His photos might not be very good, but he's a geek and the way he explains things makes it easier to understand (at least for me)
I agree, you need to produce good content, if you are saying you know about photography and video, you can't just throw up rubbish and go, "it is youtube"
this video was a refreshingly honest about all I see on the internet. Many people talk about "youtube university" but as you said just about anyone can post here and doesn't get vetted. Love the content, keep it up!
Good point about teaching / photography … I’ve been in education for 40 + years and you are both an excellent photographer and a wonderful communicator , well done . I’ve switched from music to photography in recent years and have learned a lot from your channel . Recently been published as a photographer in a book for the first time and I was more excited than when I got signed as a songwriter to a record company !
Another big pitfall is that people who become teachers (online or in art schools) tend to fall unfamiliar with the "zeitgeist" of taste. They don't have to be competitive on the commercial market anymore as photographers, teaching is also in the end as time-consuming as being a normal photographer... So people who follow them and are not in the Zeitgeist, or are not hipsters are also often following a taste which became ot of fashion years ago. This is something many people in the advertising / agency world is a total turn of or a source of evil fun.
These online photographers are often technically times better but lack of the taste which sells - so the agency would rather book someone who is more into the zeitgeist and might bring much more blurry weird photos - but this doesn't really matter.
Unfortunately. most people don't have the filter to recognize that the internet is like the Wild West here in the US. Like bad photography, one must determine what is fact and what is folly. Thank you for the link to the AOP calculator, it has reenforced my licensing process. Keep up the great work!
Excellent post. I have a modest channel as photography enthousiast but unlike many pro-tubers or professionals use youtube as a commercial business or endorse a product because they are sponsored. The latter annoy me as i buy everything with my own money and review things from an amateur/end user photography perspective
Theres plenty of supposedly professional photographers on youtube with little if any professional working experience who pass themselves off as such, to spot them just look for a link to their commercial website, there normally wont be one and if there is it'll be full of sub par images with zero commissioned work and no client list.
You could say the margin between 'gear vlogger' and professional photographer has become somewhat blurred on youtube.
Why do I feel very connected to this? It seems like there’s a massive market of photographers that just stick to each other like glue. These photographers also will fight to keep their little niche while rejecting everything else. So a food photographer that has found a niche but is willing to be open and honest and transparent suddenly gets rejected by the masses. It’s crazy stuff man
Checking credentials is a massive thing. Throughout my working life before photography being shown by in house trainers how to do my job was insightful but they had no on the ground practical ability . So when you came up against a challenge you had the base knowledge but not a real life education in how to over come that issue . It’s very much like the saying “I have the knowledge to know a tomato is a fruit but the wisdom is knowing you don’t put it in a fruit salad” very apt
Hi Scott, another great video and with excellent thought-provoking content. Your premise about good and poor information is entirely valid. I would also add that some RUclips channels are more appropriate depending on one’s stage of development/ learning. There are a number of channels that were great at the time but I need to push myself more and have moved on. I agree about Zack Arias, a lovely man who I would love to meet one day and Karl Taylor seems great for product and commercial. Food channels (apart from the Tin House Studio...) are Joanne Simon (The Bite Shot), Skyler Burt (We Eat Together) and for those beginning the journey Brandon of the Fig & Light is worth a watch for the basics. Martin Botvidsson (Botvidsson) is more in the style of Karl Taylor (i.e. product oriented) and is great for seeing the impact of multi-light set-ups and good use of flagging. On the general aspect of photography I love Ted Forbes (The Art of Photography) who has some fantastic retrospectives of photographers of yesteryear and the skills they had to achieve such impactful images. Finally, Aron Nace (Phlearn.com) is an excellent resource for developing better Lightroom & Photoshop skills.
Joanie Simon is a particular favorite of mine. She emphasizes the business aspect of photography as well as photographing food. She is a past medical device salesperson, so she has great content on overcoming fear of asking for business from potential clients, and solid information on how to set pricing.
I've learnt so much from Gavin Hoey, no waffle just how he does it and why. I often find myself re watching his videos when I'm trying new techniques.
I enjoy Skyler's channel: "We Eat Together". Excellent video (as usual) Scott! Keep it up!
Still working my way through your channel so late comment again...... RUclips can be good and bad, i have learned alot about photography through YT but equally i have learned alot of bad habbits and techniques through YT. There are alot of content creators that seem to think they have the gear so they now qualify as teachers/pros which as an amateur sent me down a rabbit hole of learning stuff that was honestly toilet . It has taken me a long time through trial and error to gradually filter the genuine knowledgeable photographer from the youtuber out to justmake money and get free kit. Scott you know the score and dont mince your words, you tell it as it is and that is what makes your channel rank high in my opinion.
'The blind leading the blind.' Absolutely correct! Well said. 👏👏👏👏 I'm glad I got started before the world wide wed.
With me I observed that is happening a natural selection I'm not watching any more the channels that I started with. I even regret buying a lot of useless learning resources. The big jump for me was when I got over technical aspects, and just create what I want. Good work congratulations!
For U.S. based commercial photography there is none better than Don Giannatti. He was a commercial photographer for years and then was an Art Director. So he knows both sides of it and gives real world practical instruction and advice. Plus he's a very nice person and genuinely wants people to succeed and make their dreams come true.
This is hard truth I need to hear.
Thanks Kevin, glad it was of use :)
A couple that I don't think have been mentioned yet (hard to read all the replies):
Ben Horne, who shoots 8x10" color film in the American West. His videos aren't about primarily about gear or the technical aspects, but about the journey he goes on to make his images, and he shares the images (successes and failures) and honestly discusses what went right or wrong. He does some gear reviews and a few videos on his Photoshop technique too, but it's mostly about the photographic journey.
Filmmaker IQ. John Hess' background is as an engineer who really knows the movie business, especially the deeply technical parts of movie making. He doesn't just spew what "everyone" knows about ISO or depth of field etc. (and often, "everyone" is wrong), he does the calculations and shows his work. He's mostly about motion pictures, but a camera is a camera, and I've learned a lot more about digital cameras and sensors from his videos than from many of the so-called "experts" out there.
For better or for worse, I learned photography in the 1980's (I guess that makes me old). Even if you rely on a shiny, new, digital wonder-camera, you can learn a lot from Ansel Adams' "The Camera," "The Negative," and "The Print," as well as "Examples: The Making of 40 Photographs." No, knowing whether or not to have the black or white side of the dark slide showing for unexposed film (it doesn't matter as long as you're consistent, by the way) isn't useful for digital shooters, but the basic understanding of how a camera focuses light, through an aperture, past a shutter, onto a light sensitive medium, hasn't really changed. "The Negative" can still help you understand a lot of your processing, both in-camera and on the computer. "The Print" can help you understand your digital printing, assuming you want your images on a piece of paper. They should be available at your library, or dirt cheap in used form, as there are plenty of copies out there.
Most photography videos on RUclips or the internet are garbage. That's why I started watching you. Before I had no interest in commercial photography. Alex Kilby on The Photograph Eye is a good channel too, he talks about photographic theory. Too many others focus on gear reviews or begginer tutorials.
A bit late to the party here, but still...
Some of my favorites include Ted Forbes (The Art of Photography), Hugh Brownstone (Three Blind Men and an Elephant Productions), Matt Day, Matt Osborne, Thomas Heaton, Adam Gibbs, Madison Beach and Jessica Whitaker.
Some more than others, and more for the love of photography than because I believe I can learn something from watching their channels.
Anyway, thanks for the suggestions for yet more channels to watch.
I learned early on that the internet is something you take with a dumptruck load of salt. For me it came early. I was taking good photos (decent-I wasn't cutting people's heads off). But then I got online and everyone was talking about needing this or that. I looked at my equipment, and its capabilities, as well what I wanted to do and realized I didn't need 90% of what they were talking about.
My kit is rather pedestrian and that's fine with me.
Gotta slow down the talk mate, 7 years in Australia and some family in the UK and still struggled to follow! 😅
Non native English viewers would surely enjoy your videos more.
Other than that, I absolutely agree: apply sceptical thinking to everything, including RUclips videos.
I guess a big part of the problem is the fact that novice photographers don't know what they need to know, unknown unknowns if you like. As a result are not in a position to make an informed choice when it comes to which channel(s) to follow.
From where I sit it seems to be more about the cult of personality rather than any meaningful content.
Those that are busy making money from actual commercial assignments have little time left to produce RUclips content. That should tell you all you need to know.
The likes of Karl Taylor are not the most prolific as a result, but his education business is a valuable resource as a result of that.
A lot of content creators fall into the gear trap, that is what tends to drive eyeballs, commerce, lighting, technique, are all more valuable to an aspiring photographer, yet because this does not drive traffic there are few out there producing valued content.
Many of the photographers whose advice I trust have already been mentioned. No matter the genre the internet can be distracting and lead you all over the place, so I found I learn the most by focusing on one educator or another. For portrait photography, I like Sue Bryce and Chris Knight; for portrait editing, I go to Pratik Naik. Martin Botvidsson has an authentic workflow. He shows the process of creating a great product photograph including decision making, adjustments, steering an idea in a better direction. All of which occur in practice sessions. I also think he's funny.
Peter McKinnon is a youtube personality everyone seems to love, but I'd never watch his videos to learn about photography. He has a lifestyle channel, great if you want to see into the world of a working professional. No place to learn about photography/videography. I'll get attacked for suggesting he's anything less than a genius. To that, I say COME AT ME, BRO!
If PM encourages people to get into photography then that's a win. I don't think anyone is watching his stuff to learn about photography... Because that's painfully obvious that's not what his channel is about. Anyone wanting to learn about the exposure triangle for instance will be waiting for a long time.
What he does do is produce inspiring and entertaining content. He's also likable if you like his sort of personality. Being inspirational, entertaining and likeable are all subjective of course but he seems to be appealling to a good number!
I wouldn't normally comment on videos, but since you asked. The photography channels I think are worth checking out are:
Mitchell Kanashkevich | mitchellkphotos: ruclips.net/user/mitchellkphotos
Beyond Photography: ruclips.net/user/BeyondPhotography
The Photographic Eye: ruclips.net/user/ThePhotographicEye
I could post a list of very similar and quite frankly, generic RUclips channels, so I don't recommend these on a whim. I recommend them because they offer real knowledge, they're not flashy and they're not all about gear. In fact, none of them are gear related.
Personally, I'm not a commercial photographer, nor am I ever likely to be. I just enjoy the process, the escapism and getting out with my camera and exploring places I wouldn't normally venture to.
Thank you sir. Love honest and unbiased information as a beginner/improver. Watch lots for reviews and information generally and watch everyone except Zach Arias and The Bite Shot, so thank you for other great sources of information, whom I shall view. Keep up the great work and we keep learning every time we watch ! All the best. AL
RUclips channel “Pal2tech” has been a great resource for me and many others. Although, he mainly uses Fujifilm, which my preferred system by the way, he covers photography/videography in general. I love what you’re doing here.
Anything by Joe McNally, really. Although he's kind of all over the place. Usually makes me want to sell all my stuff after watching him, though.
Nathan Elson, although he doesn't publish all that frequently.
Mike Browne has some good stuff, too (in his old stuff, there's actually a visit at the place where they make 'em Lee Filters)
Thomas Heaton for Landscape philosophy,
The Art Of Photography aka Ted Forbes, when he's not taking about gear.
Zack Arias, of course!
And, of course, the man himself (although less video, more bloggy) the very Strobist Himself (capital ''H' intended), David Hobby.
thank you for making this video. too many BANGER photography out there, if you know who I mean.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very true. From my pov you’re only wrong in one sentence here - „it’s just doing Good work and having the Right contacts“. It’s much more than this in most niches ;)
However, Great video! Keep up the good work
I think as your own experience increases you can learn something from most people but you can't learn everything from one person and everyone has holes in thei knowledge and the people who admit it are usually the best to learn from.
At the moment I'm reading a book from a well know RUclips/Internet portrait photographer...the info on post processing is excellent and good philosophical stuff about personal development also great BUT on lighting setups he keeps talking about adding and removing the diffuser panels from soft boxes to "soften and harden" the light...when clearly that has no real effect on hard/soft light he really is meaning increasing and decreasing specularity...but that doesn't make the rest of the book worthless but clearly could steer newbie the wrong way for a while.
I hesitate to name publicly as it just seems mean to be honest especially when there is definitely worthwhile stuff in there.
Yes, knowing who to take what from is key.
I think photographers generally qualify themselves based on their level of experience to divulge information. The thought process sometimes look like this: “I heard or did this, therefore it’s okay to go ahead and share with others this information”.
In my journalism pursuit, it’s a similar problem of fake news & not having accountability to “absolute truth”.
Mere opinions that are often times misguided & based on misinformation.
I think that’s why I’m more prone to share a behind the scene that I am to teach because Im just not cut out for that as yet.
yeah I think this is a problem in most walks of life.
Preach! I help out in a Beginners Photography Group of Facebook and spend a great deal of time debunking misinformation from various youtubelebirty photographers. PS I'm a qualified teacher but make no claims about my photography other than well over 30 years of trying to get it more right than wrong. I use the Emergent Knowledge framework to point others into the right direction over preaching the "one true way".
I'll sit firmly on my hands on who are especially bad on youtube!
Well said!
It's a shame Dean Collins passed away some 15 years ago. He was perhaps the best teacher...ever. Most pros who knew him or of him would agree. He taught lighting like no one else. I even see and hear his teaching influences in some of the people you mention. Some even mention him. He used panels when it wasn't cool. lol! He was great because he also had the client list to back up his knowledge. Even though he had Hasselblad, Sinar, Broncolor and others as sponsors, he would still assure his students that you could shoot with a 60 watt bulb. He was a dear friend and mentor. You can find some of his videos on here if ou search his name.
Oh, and one last character to avoid at all costs: Ken Rockwell. He jumped into RUclips later than most but still has his website where he begs for cash in exchange for photography and camera "information". Rumor has it that he busy stuff from the big US online camera stores, does his so-called review, then returns the gear. Maybe now with a RUclips channel he gets the gear on loan. Regardless, this is the guy who only shoots Jpgs. because RAW is for those who don't know how to work a camera. Yeah - RAW is for those that don't know how photography.
One super huge misconception many people get online is that there is a market for landscape photography (aka tacky instagram images). it is not. people who can make a living from it are like unicorns
Very true. Another problem is that many people think that landscape photography mostly consists of going to famous places and doing some ultra wide angle focus stacked images and dumping a ton of AI processing and presets on them.
After years of trying I actually managed to sell ONE of my images for a travel guide. That makes me something in the neighborhood of 5ct per copy. So far that didn’t even make me enough to pay for the lens I took the shot with 😅
@@romanpul ask any stock agency about landscape or travel pictures - ok normally you don't have to ask it is one of the first things they tell you that no one needs this, the have more than enough of it
Martin Peterdamm Selling landscapes as stockphotgraphy is almost impossible. The only money in landscapes is contracted work for hotels and similar venues. And that also doesn’t pay very well and those jobs are scarce. And of course you can use them to promote you crappy presets and editing tutorials 😂😂
Not sure if those very popular youtube photographers are wrong. I think they might be right in or for their niche, which is youtube / instagram. It is easy to spot them, they all have very, very similar styles, the instagram style I call it. A different realm, that has nothing to do with the business of photography but more with "show-business".
Regardless of what level your at, ACTUALLY DOING WORK WILL SHOW THE WAY.
Literally thought the title said The Problem With Internet Pornography! I’m glad that’s not what it was about!!!! Great video 😆
Luckily, I've never suffered from the Dunning-Kruger Effect. Never. Ever. It's a gift I was lucky enough to be given at birth.
Jamie Windsor is great. I love how he incorporates other aspects such as psychology and philosophy into photography. Mark Denny is pretty good in that he started out as “let’s learn photography together.” He does some adverts but I feel he is a genuine guy. Peter Lambert is an interesting street photographer. I like going to his channel for street inspiration. Ken Forbes’ is a nice mix of gear and technique.
The people I stopped watching are Jarred Poland, Tony and Chelsea Northrop, and Manny Ortiz. They push gear way too much and I find their channels don’t contribute much to the art if at all.
Definitely need to add Thomas Heaton for those interested in landscape photography.
lately it's only Jamie Windsor, Tin House and NegativeFeedback. I've used to watch some of the american blokes, but lately i feel like i'm just watching commercials - potato jet, peter kinnon, that mate from finland, art of photography, sonder creative... Lots of them TBH.
These American blokes are really good at mixing entertainment and product reviews (= 100% commercial). They are good at getting you to buy more (unnecessary) stuff. Not to teach anything really. I still enjoy them, just for that, entertainment and fine tuning my shopping list. When I want to learn something I come here or get to Sean Tucker.
I'd add to the list of recommendation *Nigel Danson*
and *Mark Denney
* (landscapre photographers, but I feel like their insights helped me in other fields).
I'd also add *PiXimperfect* and *Phlearn*, for those using photoshop a bunch. There is a lot to learn that can be very useful, and it's easy to miss that you can even do it.
As many said, in the “meh” bag, Jared Polin (Fro) and the Northrups. And F-stoppers is a very mixed bag.
Also, Facebook photography groups: there can often be a few relevant insights, but a lot is utterly bad. It is interesting to see how some consider your work, to get idea, to help consider other angles. But most of the time, feedbacks should just be treated as a window toward other views and ideas, to think about, not more than that.
Thank you so much for making this video. I've been thinking the same thing as of recently. I watch so many tech/camera reviews from people who've never really worked professionally before RUclips. A lot of them have garnished work since creating channels which is cool but none truly cut their teeth beforehand.
There is something similar with art schools, here in Germany are universities with super well-known artists teaching... but they are often far from good teachers more the opposite, but everyone wants to get into their classes. even worse with painting, the name in your CV later is a big asset. no matter how awfully you just copied the style of your professor. it is often eye opening to look at some "master class" exhibitions.
I'm new to this channel and I am really enjoying the content, well done. Another great channel is Omar Gonzales, a working pro who with a great style of delivery and honesty and has a lot of useful information. I like Darren Miles and Christopher frost for lens reviews. Rob Hall for good honest lighting info. Tobias Gelston ( PhotoRec TV ) is a good honest, genuine guy with loads of helpful info as well. I avoid the Northrups, Polin, the bald angry guy etc for the reasons you mentioned.
I actually enjoy a lot of the not pro photographers channels, but for viewing reasons etc. Ive not heard of Omars channels so I will go and check it out.
I agree about Polin and I think I know who you mean when you say bald guy, which I also agree with. Tony Northrup can be very opinionated and has started some rants on the internet. He is technically savvy, but I have to check his information because I think sometimes it's a little skewed.
Here's to pet cat's in your studio!!! 2 thumbs up!
So so true. It has taken me forever to work out who is giving good info and those who are giving bad info. Very glad that I am already following 3 out of your chosen 5....
As others has said- the Adorama channel with Seth Miranda, Daniel Norton and Davin Hoey in particular.
To avoid - Fro, the Northrups.
I've been pretty impressed by Thomas Heaton's work. He keeps things to the point, shows you the practical realities of whatever, and isn't over the top when it comes to selling stuff. He just seems like a genuine person.
Good, honest vid. Glad some of the channels I already follow are on that list.
Advancing Your Photography is a good channel run by an experienced photographer that interviews very experienced professional photographers that specialize in different areas.
Just found your channel. Great thought provoking subjects. Too old to be a pro photographer now, but sell the occasional print and have noticed that some of the advice on RUclips is a bit sus. Maybe a sign that I'm growing as a photographer! Good advice on those selling courses, etc. on social media.
theres a saying in the painting community that goes something like "the easiest way to make money off painting is to make a website selling (art/painting education)"
It's true. Most working photographer's whose advice would be valuable do not have the time for a YT channel. I think it's fairly easy to talk a good game on YT but I think looking at a photographer's work is a truer way to see their actual ability. Style and genre come into it as well as far as what speaks to you goes but I believe you can tell what is good work even if it may not be to your taste. Talk all you want, use click bait titles, have a large following but whether you are a professional RUclipsr or a professional photographer well, it'll be obvious if you look at their work. A working photographer I'd recommend is Seth Miranda (Last X Witness everywhere).Real advice based on real experience. His C Stand video alone is worth looking him up for.
Chase Jarvis from creative live, his interviews with photographers are really worth it. And David Hobby aka the strobist, doesn't have a youtube channel, but his blog is worth gold. Also phlearn is a really good channel to learn photoshop and lightroom.
U deserve a subscription....
Although there are lots of youtubers who are questionable as photography teachers. However, there some great teachers out there if you know who. Joel Grimes has some great content on internet site ... and he also spent 30 years working with agencies selling his work. So he knows what he is talking about.
Great video (and channel). I was starting to get depressed at the thought that most photographers on RUclips seem to be professional RUclipsrs rather than professional photographers. This isn't the route that I want to go down in developing a photography career (I'd rather make money being a photographer). As others have mentioned, Jamie Windsor has an excellent channel (more focussed on the concept and psycology of photography) and I find The Art of Photography channel to be a good watch too. Your channel has been the most enlightening so far in regards to pursuing photography as a viable business and I'll certainly check out the recommendations. Thanks
I think Jamie Windsor is good to watch for a deeper look into photography. He also did a great video on the Dunning-Krueger effect. Sean Tucker seems to be very experienced and well versed in the industry. I think the Toronto based guys and the Melbourne guys appeal to the younger generation of budding photographers and project their lifestyle into the impressionable and say look how rock and roll being a photographer can be.
Personally I’ve learnt a lot from Lee & Patrick and their critique the community. You pick up little nuggets of technical applications which are really helpful.
You are also now a regular watch for me, thanks so much for the content.
I will add him to my list. Seans videos are always interesting to listen to as well. Yeah Lee and Patrick do a great job putting information out there.
I second Jamie Windsor, really thoughtful, well-produced pieces on philosophy and ethics of photography.
Man, you are simply amazing!
There are too many voices out there, most are not accurate. I have two or three photographers I trust. I have added you to that list.