when influencers are mad they influence
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2023
- Is this video late? Yes! But I want to talk about it anyways because I have many thoughts. Basically TayBeepBoop accused another tiktoker Kaarin Joy of coping her and the app replied. Let's talk about influencers being made they influence people.
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“Green and blue is an unusual combo” the earth literally being those colors
Right? That's literally been my _favorite_ color combination for 12 years and I have the tattoos to prove it!
Earth stole her palette.
cryiiinnng my first thought 😭😭😭😭😭😭
You’d think she’d know that seeing as the world revolves around her
i’m sorry it’s literally psychotic to message someone and be like “hey don’t do my diys” ITS LITERALLY CALLED DO IT YOURSELF????
Ikr 🤣🤣 that's the ENTIRE POINT of a DIY!! Call it something else then if people aren't supposed to do it themself
That's what I'm hung up on. The other girl kept saying "that was understandable" and I'm like HOW? EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THAT'S OKAY? I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT AT ALL. How are you gonna market DIYs and then PERSONALLY REACH OUT AND SAY "hey stop doing MY DIYs" and act like that's normal or acceptable lmfao.
Exactly. I was thinking the same thing. Like, huh? I'm not gonna do it, who is?
@@NightshadeQS the reason the other girl said it was understandable is because they are both doing influencer content and don't want to be seen as "ripping each other off" by copying each other's work -- but that really only applies if they are aware of and actually actively following each other and basically tracing the other person's footsteps exactly .-.;;
I think a more appropriate example for such a thing would be something like Clip Studio Tips of the Month where... you see so many people writing the same tutorials, so much that you can't tell if the people afterward are just looking at the first few and modifying/adding notes from the others into their own works instead of what they would have written initially. It's a shitty contest on so many levels, since they prioritize whatever is posted first (even if there was pre-existing content which said tutorials may have ripped off of which negates the whole "first posts are original" idea) and don't even have proper payment for one of the prizes -- which are literally coupons... that expire... and isn't even disclosed on the contest page... plus they don't even bother notifying you in your preferred language when they expire. But the thing with the influencer trend is... there are no actual definitive "single person wins everything" prize awards...? =_=;;
For influencing, it is like people baking cakes -- the consumer will see two cakes and eat them both reasonably happily, rather than a judge who will see one that is better than the other. We're consumers, not judges, but it is pretty easy for creators to get those mixed up given limitations on people's individual capacities
yeah kaarin is WAY too nice, I'd have been like "nah"
A thing that really got me about the couch too was she didn't just say "she copied me," she called it the "knock-off" of her couch. Like throwing in some weird couch elitism on top.
Couch elitism 🤣🤣
As if that furniture company didn’t make and sell hundreds or thousands of that design in that exact fabric/color.
It’s also like SUCH a popular couch like tay girl you are NOT that special, hate to inform you
look at those poors type beat
I love how she's mad that somebody bought her wallpaper that she sells. She went 'she's copying me because that's my wallpaper line' and I screeched like a velociraptor
Lol "screeched like a velociraptor" 😂 that was so funny!
Imagine a cooking channel posting a "how to bake a cake" video, and getting mad when someone actually follows their recipe
And that's a surprisingly good analogy since afaik you cannot copyright recipes, since there's only so many ways you can make food.
Just like with this DIY stuff!
Imagine exactly that, and someone copies your design for a cake, let's say. And they're a content creator too, so your competition
@@issecret1That sounds extremely normal… usually someone will say where they first saw something if it’s a complicated design but with things like the cartoon cakes, almost everyone at first was just making yellow cakes with pink drip icing and they were all just like “oh this is so fun! I love how we’re doing this!” not a credit in sight. I would say that’s the equivalent of a moss mirror or a wall squiggle or a gallery of 3d art, they’re all popular ideas lots of people independently think seem fun and put in their house
@@issecret1 If they need to constantly copy a trend you started, it's not much of a competition
Look at her! She bought my cake and use it on a birthday party.
Tay: "green and blue are unusual color choices"
Everyone else: looks outside at a tree and the sky
High five to you for the literal lol I had after reading this
right like the earth?!?!?
🤣 a situation where "go touch grass" may actually be a relevant and helpful suggestion
My last apartment had green and blue checkered curtains for years. 😂
Literally my first thought when she said that. Like what?
it’s so funny how the wallpaper company went “oh you don’t like that people can buy this? no problem, we’ll fix that for you :)”
It's even funnier that she didn't speak up until AFTER the company stopped selling lmao
Fun fact. Mattel tried to sue over Aqua using Barbie pink in the Barbie Girl video because they had trademarked the colour but they lost the case and the judge closed his ruling by saying 'the parties are advised to chill' which is both hilarious and absolutely is advice what Tay should take
She's mad she inspired someone...? And that they went out of the way to support her business? Wild
She is mad someone does similar stuff to her. So she probably thinks the other lady is better at it.
She's mad the other creator has a bigger audience than hers
@@Fran_Fuentes Yes bigger audience and way more talent. Petty envy.
@@Fran_Fuentes a bigger audience who could have theoretically bought her wallpaper.............
I have never felt so seen/called out as “every single bisexual woman owns a green velvet couch” 😂. I thought I was making my own choices but…🤷🏽♀️
I don’t even own one and I felt called out because i would want one if I had my own place 😂
@@teddy-1965 I mean…I love mine lol. Join the green couch brigade! It’s so comfy
What does it mean if mine is blue? 😅 is that good or bad?
@@teddy-1965same, I don't have one yet but I want a dark green velvet couch so bad that my partner made some Couch cushion with that fabric for us. Apperantly I'm just part of the bisexual hive mind 😂
Right!? Me sitting on my green velvet couch watching this video 👁️👄👁️
“Literally the knock off of my orange couch” pretentious much 🤮
The irony was just completely lost on her 😂
Two years ago, Tay told me hoop earrings were her thing and I wasn’t allowed to wear them anymore. And then for Hanukkah, my parents got this pair of really expensive white gold hoops and I had to pretend like I didn’t even like them and… it was so sad.
😂😂😂
jesus. i hope you still have those earrings
I do. They are SO FETCH.
@@shoshannakoptev6691 It took me an embarrassingly long time to figure out that the reason your story sounded familiar was because it was a reference to Mean Girls 😅
Man I wish my life was so empty of hardship I had time to dedicate to being this upset over something so inconsequential. What a privilege it is to have the time and energy to be so petty.
It kind of has the same feeling as petty fandom drama. Like you'll stumble onto a bitter death match on Twitter where they're making it out to be this big giant thing and then you find out it's really over a ship or something. I feel like when people spend a huge amount of time in one space they tend to catastrophize really inconsequential stuff.
@@ThatCrazyBookWyrmwhen your world is so small, an ant can look like an elephant
@@wohdinhelindeed, well put.
Idk man this is her job and she thought someone was stealing from her. She was wrong but thats beside the point. Im sure you spend your time on dumb stuff as well, like watching this video. The thing that you’re correctly identifying as dumb is being a diy influencer. But once we’ve accepted her dumb profession, getting mad at perceived copying from a competitor isnt that crazy.
FOR REAL.
You cannot claim someone is copying you when youre SELLING the THING FOR PEOPLE TO DO THE THING. Its just baffling. Also, DIY and home decor takes so much time to plan. They may just have the same pintrest algorithms inspiring both of them separately. Glue and paint and foam take time to dry, it takes money and shipping and hunting down items. To think someone can copy you so so fast after you post a video is just petty.
Agreed 100%, it’s called DIY for a reason
@NotVille_who is this?? Bot spam behaviour much
@@CompSomAnichiIt IS a bot. Don’t interact with it, it’s all it wants.
Ohhh so it is a bot. Ty fo rsome reaosn thiis one I thought it wasn't @@mochabearry
How rich are you when you can be afford to get upset someone is buying and using a product designed by you?
As soon as she was like “look she’s using my wallpaper!” I thought “huh? So you don’t want people to buy your products?”
if I was the person who supported this creator with actual money and then got dragged for it - I would literally rip off the wallpaper. I probably couldn't look at it without thinking of all the hate I received. what a disgusting thing to say to one of your supporters 😢
One of the worst parts of social media influencing is Main Character Syndrome. Girl thinks she invented the color scheme of blue and green and moss mirrors. Views others doing similar content as lesser and as copies because She is the Main Character and all these other people are NPC’s that can’t step out of line
Imagine being an influencer being like "look at this clothing haul!" and some other mid-sized creator buys the skirt and wears it and you get mad that they are wearing the thing you INFLUENCED
oh no, the very thing I'm trying to do happened!
Ikr 💀 instead of actually sharing ideas and inspiration (aka, the normal intent of such content), it seems like the point is just "omg look at me and how cool and original I am. Everyone clap for me and tell me how amazing I am. But NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO USE THESE IDEAS!!! THIS IS ALL ABOUT/ME/!!!! WE ARENT HERE FOR CREATIVITY OR INSPIRATION WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT MMMEEEEEEEE"
@@AimeeColemaneh, to be honest, this is just whataboutism. I think this drama is ridiculous, but this is these women's livelihoods. If someone comes along and does what you do better than you, then you lose business.
Speculating about their personal lives is a bit much. These are both adult women who will sink or swim on their own. It's not really our place to be speculating on how they would handle losing a loved one, because at the end of the day, we are only seeing their online personas. We can't say we truly know anything about them as people when all we see could be curated.
Plus, typically scandals are good for business as people take sides and make content about the drama. These things are often played up. Some crocodile tears here or there spice things up.
When influencers go "omg this food is so good" but then don't state where the fuck it is. Like how are you gatekeeping an establishment, and telling us about it? Isn't that your whole job to tell us what the best "thing" is.
Its not even just that, the girl copied her, not just for DIYs but as a fan. Imagine designing a wallpaper line than getting mad your fan bought it and set it up like your example photo you took in your home. Like girl is mad she doesnt get to feel original or unique instead of being happy she inspired others and has fans.
She's got enough money in this economy to own her own entire house, and *this* is what she expects the rest of us to care about? I cannot imagine being so fully disconnected from reality.
This. Some of us can barely afford groceries, let alone a house to fill with our DIY art projects that we make a living off of.
Apparently she's from a rich family so I assume that she's hardly ever had to worry about poor folk problems.
Her house is $2 million too😭
Literally LOL I may never be able to afford to buy a house in my entire life
@@rose.carterI might not even be able to afford an apartment alone in my entire life at this rate Jesus
"Ripping my boyfriend's art off" is probably the craziest accusation here
What really gets me is Tay’s underhanded, snarky tone during her initial “call-out”. The way she says “oh that’s ORIGINAL, that’s CREATIVE” sounds so bitter and underhanded, not to mention her falsely claiming Kaarin’s couch was a “knockoff” as if she’s the only one who’s allowed to own that model of couch. I can’t even take it as something she was genuinely offended by because of how hostile she sounded during the whole thing.
"Blue and green is an original thought!"
My sister in Christ, that's the building blocks of 2/3s of the RGB spectrum.
Aren't they also the most common colours in nature? Lmao
For real! and they can go so nice together! I’m wearing blue-green pajamas right now… am I copying this girl? 😂
Someone put that quote on a shirt and sell it.
I have shorts on with some leaves and they are green and then shaded with different blues and even a hint of light pink wherever the light is supposed to hit. Completely normal combination of colors in nature.
@@DieAlteistwiederdacan't believe you are in such denial 😤 pls post your TikTok apology within the next moon cycle!!
The moss mirror has been a fad for well over a year, if not longer. I saw variations all over when cottagecore, goblincore and fairycore were at their height. I love Tay's designs and ideas, but she was wild for pulling that PUNK move of sending her followers after a smaller creator, while also blocking that creator so she could avoid any response. That was honestly the grossest part of it all.
literally! i’ve had moss mirrors on my pinterest boards since i got a pinterest in 8th grade over 5 years ago. maybe if the mirror had been identically 1:1 and then she said came up with the idea by herself i’d understand but it was so far from that
@@stevievaughan5096same here. I've wanted to do moss mirrors since I was a young kid... 8 years ago
Actually theyve apparently been big since the 90s !
@NotVille_shut up
Also, I'll say it if nobody else will: Tay's moss mirror looked horrible
Tay supposedly faking being poor really turned me off from her. I literally can't stand a rich girl cosplaying as being poor to try to be relatable. It's really gross and out of touch.
the thing that got me was pointing out that she bought her wallpaper and styled it (barely) similarly and counted it as EVIDENCE rather than recognizing she was a fan... i feel so so bad for karrin
What??? Can you not see that her house has a living room with wallpaper and a couch??? Its COPYING /s
This reminds me so much of dumb 2012-15 DeviantArt drama. "You stole my color pallet" awokened those memories like an ancient beast
oh god the flashbacks
NOOOOOO STOP I HAD FORGOTTEN ABOUT THAT
"You stole my pose!!!!" My brother!!! Humans only move in so many ways
Oh god I remember that crap ugh. Kid artists on DA were so territorial over stuff that that wasn't even there's to begin with.
@@shayerahol6434 damn it, people can't even t-pose. 😂
When Karin said she dmed her and asked her not to do her diys I was like WHAT??? THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF THE DIYS IF YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE THEM????
I'm sure it was 'Don't post videos doing my DIY projects' and was spawned from a petty place of jealousy. But even after she agreed, which she didn't have to, Tay still decided to punish her by calling her out for projects she was doing at the same time, or even first. And then to claim she just wanted credit...after you said she couldn't do your DIYs? And she did credit you at least once I've seen? Uh huh. Right. She didn't want credit. She wanted to cancel competition
I can understand it if it's a much bigger creator and it's taking attention/interactions away from your channel.
@@CreativeC13 Honestly, I could understand if the conversation had been, "Hey, if you want to do one of my DIYs, it would help me out a lot if you'd link back to the vid that inspired you. I love to see what people do with it once it's out there in the world." Because that's respectful, sane, and builds community. And if the person refuses, or says they will and don't, well, then, you know what you're dealing with. What Tay did was unhinged.
@@kerryw2584 I think that's absolutely fair. There's nothing wrong wanting to know if others were inspired by your work.
didn't want to apologize until her merch got cancelled, and called the fan who bought her wallpaper poor, when she insinuated the sofa was a knock off of her own name brand sofa 👀 charming woman.... definitely wont be following her anytime soon.
I think my favorite part is the flex around “that orange couch is literally the knock-off of my orange couch.” Couldn’t just say it was similar 💀
-Gets mad at somebody for having her wallpaper
-Wallpaper gets pulled from the store
I guess she got what she asked for ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Right like they saw that and were like ma’am do you not want to sell this? Ok cool we will help
Now no one can have her wallpaper...checkmate!
"shes copying my boyfriends art which is mounted heads"
..better go back in time and tell hunters that mounting heads belongs to her boyfriend and no one can mount and hang any head of any kind
100% she intentionally phrased it as "copying" her boyfriends art (a much more egregious action than everything else) bc she knew it would oomph up her argument, like honey they are nowhere near similar enough for you to be claiming ART THEFT
Haha this is exactly how I felt watching this go down. So you’re gonna teach people to do it but then they can’t do it?
Tay: "I didn't think I had done anything wrong."
Rewind to her initial video: "I'm about to be sooo petty. 🤭"
What a two-faced liar.
There's such a horrible attitude towards arts, crafts, and DIY where people seek originality and don't understand there's no such thing.
Most everything is inspired, and that's ok.
There is this attitude with knitting patterns which are sold and then other people take credit and that’s not ok
As an artist myself, my style as a whole has been inspired by other artists. That's often how you begin to learn, you take inspo from different styles and stuff to find your niche. I fall into stylized realism and a lot of my inspiration comes from artists I followed when I was younger, or some manga styles (specifically Hirohiko Araki's art style). I've seen artists get upset when people say "this thing reminds me of this" because you're "stripping them of their originality" and maybe it's because I'm not technically part of the art community (never went to art school, self taught), but I find that dumb. Like, not comparing your talent to someone, that's not right, but saying that something reminds you of something else. It's often just an innocent thought.
I once told someone on a discord server for a Minecraft RPG group (I was like 16 at the time) I was in that their drawing style/character reminded me of a RUclips artist I liked. Meant it as a compliment, they never said anything. Weeks later a couple mods laid into me (for multiple other inane things mostly centering on saying I copied another player's character because i gave mine pink hair as well. I had said previously that character inspired me and I thought I had made the pink shade different enough but they thought differently I guess.) and said I had hurt and upset the person by "comparing their art" and I explained I wasn't I just meant I liked it and thought it was similar but that if the person was upset why didn't they come to me and say something? I would have apologized for making them feel bad. I basically got told I was awful and the bad guy for how I behaved. I ended up leaving after that because they had said and done some other shitty stuff to me and others and I got tired of it to be frank.
@@elizabethlevesque6978oh God, artist also, I had a dm who's stuff I got joy out of guessing where things were going and I couldn't figure out why she kept changing things to be the stupidest route.
Then one day someone said "oh man this plot reminds me of x movie. That's so cool." She flipped out and said that that made her feel unoriginal when she'd never even seen the movie.
Honestly it clicked that day that she had the same special snowflake syndrome
Wrong. Being a diy person is not ok. Otherwise correct.
@@dismurrart6648 yeah that's honestly what these people were like. I hate using the term "snowflake" but it's true to say that all the cool people, who happened to be either non-political or conservative, got ran out by the mod team who were definitely into some weird k*nky shit. The server had changed ownership a couple times so by that point I was tired of walking on eggshells around them all.
I've seen another artist I used to follow on insta get very angry when people asked if her OCs were Hazel and Nico from PJO, but like....they looked EXACTLY like how Nico and Hazel are described and depicted even in official art. Like I'm sorry but at that point either accept the fact that people are going to think that, or change the design. I have done that myself. Someone said a character I drew looked like something else, it wasn't intentional, had no idea about that thing but i didn't want ppl to associate mine with the other so i tweaked the design a bit. It's not hard to do.
I think it is good to remember that two dudes invented Calculus at the same time completely independently of each other. So when you see someone else come out with an idea that is the same as yours around the same time ask yourself "Is my super original green and blue room color as groundbreaking and innovative as Calculus?" If the answer is no then they probably just had the same idea as you.
For real! We are literally all in the same culture or society, all seeing the same viral content, we basically share a consciousness. It's common for people to come up with similar ideas without even being aware of each other.
Love this! Very very true
“Blue and green is an original thought” I laughed SO HARD.
Right? That's literally been my _favorite_ color combination for 12 years and I have the tattoos to prove it!
The world is literally a blue and green marble - like Tay just picked a beef with God 😂
it broke my heart when Karin said how much she adored Tay and how it helped her embrace her own style
and to have someone (a whole adult) that u look up attempt to bully like this PUBLICLY.
Tay is a bully and no one can convince me otherwise. I’m so glad the studio that collabed on her wallpaper prints, made a statement AND pulled her line. This behavior needs to be publicly shamed so that it’s clear that it’s unacceptable. Kaarin went out of her way to not only credit Tay but also patronize her wallpaper line. I hate bullies especially full grown adult ones.
I agree. The "knock off" couch comment Tay made is what let me know she's an elitist mean girl. Like it was so unnecessary. The whole video she made on Kaarin was, but that comment just felt like an unnecessarily nasty jab. "She wants to be me, but she can't afford to" vibes.
@@xoyouaremysunshinexo Agreed. And you made such a perfect summary of her! “She wants to be me but can’t afford to.” I got snotty rich kid vibes from the few Shorts I saw come through my feed on YT, and I quickly started just scrolling right past, even though I found the colorful maximalist interior design fun.
Who's the friend who exposed Tay? I think people should follow her account!
@@DrawciaGleam02 there’s other videos where they show her name. I think Nick is not Green’s video has it
@@MegCazalet she could’ve just said “And she got an orange couch like me!” It still would’ve been a ridiculous thing to say, but with less venom. Someone on TT did a video about Tay and said the real reason Tay was upset is because she an elitist and considers herself “bougie.” She didn’t like that people were clumping her in with Kaarin, who’s DIYs she considers beneath hers. It honestly makes sense!
Only until the brand deal falls through that the apology comes out. Of course.
Why is it necessary for her to apologise publicly? Why is it the internets responsibility to hold her accountable?
@@wombatconrad because she was the one who made it public in the first place. She tried to use public humiliation to shame the other creator. If she wanted it handled privately, she should have kept it private.
@@oliviaspring9690 Why does it have to continue? Why not say, "Wow, that was a silly video," and the move on.
@@wombatconrad because if she does not apologize publicly, it will look like she attacked a smaller creator and then acted like nothing happened. It also tells her audience that she was in the wrong. Some of her fans went to attack the creator and it also tells those fans that they were also in the wrong.
@@wombatconradI agree! Caring about other people is stupid and we shouldn't do it! Whenever I see someone getting murdered I think "wow, that was gross!" And move on 😇
There’s always something so amusing about influencers basically cancelling themselves over non-issues lol… first illuminaughty and now this. Except illuminaughty was a genuine shitty person and this is just a small niche drama. Still, it’s hard to feel bad for anyone who does this. Really shows their real personality
-LegalEagle- Kaarin stole my -highlighter effect- wall squiggle
there is an alternate reality where this influencer drama played out almost exactly the same, except it occurred between 2 second graders during art class and it was resolved with the teacher seating them at other corners of the room.
Something heart breaking is that this woman who has supported this influencer by going as far as to purchase her wallpaper will now look at her home and her hard work and designs and feel so scorn and heartbroken because of this drama. As swoop says it's not drama it's dangerous
Swoop’s “it’s not drama, it’s dangerous” mantra is talking about the normalization of domestic violence abuse and SA, and mistreatment of victims…. not petty DIY “copying” drama. This IS drama, it’s not dangerous. Wtf.
@@liesbeneathoureyes i hear you but as the other person in this "drama" said she woke up to find herself receiving a large amount of hate aimed directly at her and she couldn't speak to the person causing it because they blocked her, she couldn't even see what their argument was about. you cant just get a mass group of people to hound and bully someone online over some drama you created, it was not drama for the other person it not only affected their comment section and account but who knows how far some of those people were taking it, she could have been on her last straw and just working on her tik toks to get herself through a rough time then suddenly shes getting mass amount of hate and she doesn't know why and maybe that was it for her. fucking with someones mental state like that is dangerous and for what? all because she wanted to be petty?
Your empathy by thinking about that is really awesome! 🙂
@@liesbeneathoureyesThat was kinda mean...and unnecessary...
As a PNW girl, saying that green and blue is a unique color combination is absolutely hilarious. Like, maybe the Seattle Seahawks should sue you then honey, lmao.
Haha right? My ex had EVERYTHING blue and green because he was a Seahawks fan.
In middle and high school, i painted my entire bedroom in blocky sections with BRIGHT ASS blue and lime green. This was between 2007-2011. I should sue her 🙄🙄🙄 she stole my super oBsCuRe idea
I KNEW there had to be some more here in the comments somewhere!!! The Mariners too!!!! My whole damn house is green and blue everywhere! 😂
Captain Planet " Am I a joke to you?"
@@MackenzieNerdyEMT omg I can't believe he too copied Tay !!!!!! /s
‘This is her monster head gallery’ :literally shows dinosaur heads, real creatures that existed, not the made up monsters like the ones your boyfriend creates: this girl is reaching for the sky with these
I remember seeing the squiggly line on the “mall” walls and my pediatric’s office wall when I was a child and I had been a few decades since I was a child, so this woman loosing her mind over a line on the wall and similar color combinations, says it all.
I think she’s forgotten that DIY accounts used to be followed because people…wanted…to do…the DIY…??? It’s always been something that people would probably try, use themselves, etc. so if she wanted her cool stuff to stay cool and private and unique and special she shouldn’t have shared it lmaoo
Yeah like I am showing this to you but don't you dare doing it yourself. Like WTF?
We are supposed to just look and admire now and buy whenever they bring out their designs to buy. 🥴
The color thing is just complete madness I've liked green since I was a toddler and half of my hair is green even. Green and blue are paired up ALL THE DAMN TIME because they just work well together. My childhood room was green and had some blue accents, I don't like blue that much but it just works together and a lot of stuff like curtains are that color combination when you buy them. It's like saying pink belongs to Mattel.
@@DieAlteistwiederda no you see we're also not supposed to buy the designs being sold, either! She shamed Karin for having the wallpaper she was selling!!!
Her belated apology did not sit right with me when she said "hold me accountable to my actions" no don't put that labor on everyone else, hold yourself accountable how about. Don't wait for your merch line to get pulled before you start questioning your actions. And I think you hit the nail on the head; that so many people, regardless of their follower size, have little to no sense of self outside of the content they post online and wrap up their self worth in likes/follows that it leads them into being hyper vigilant about protecting "themselves" from "copycats"
"don't put that labor on everyone else, hold yourself accountable" 👏👏👏
One MILLION percent. Even in her "apology" she is shifting the blame to her audience, like they need to hold her accountable in the future too. How about applying some critical thought and developing communication skills because Kaarin was caught completely off-guard, which does not happen when someone can communicate effectively.
Yeah, that line made me tilt my head and squint!
I think what really surprises me is that Tay immediately accused Kaarin of copying her in a malicious way instead of just going 'oh, she's clearly a huge fan of mine!'. While watching Tay's original video during this video that was my first reaction, and it was only confirmed when Tay brought up the wallpaper (Kaarin literally put money in her pocket by buying it, why would she then use it to try and 'copy' and 'steal viewers'?). I don't wanna get all armchair-psych here, but I feel like it says a lot that her first reaction isn't happiness or pride but anger and frustration.
"She bought MY wallpare! AND USED IT ON HER WALLS!? HOW DARE SHE!"
Did Tay think that Otto was making personalized wallpaper just for her and no one else would be able to buy it? I don't think I've ever seen anyone get this upset that a fan bought their merch before
This has iilluminaughtii levels of 'missing the entire point and unintentionally self-destructing' energy. 😂
"Legal Eagle stole my editing!"
"She stole the wallpaper that I sell! She used *SQUIGGLES*!!"
I was just thinking this!! And just like the iilluminaughtii situation, she pointed fingers and had fingers pointing right back at her.
It was even a former roommate going _oh hey she's done this before!_
"She stole my orange couch" is the new "LegalEagle stole my highlighter edit"
I thought the same thing!!!
I LOVE ridiculous internet drama involving two people I’ve never heard of!
your analysis is spot on here. I have this sense that tay wanted to be “more than a diyer” and more of a designer/artist instead, which has a more “elevated” perception. then by the nature of being an influencer, her identity was so wrapped up in her content like you said that EVERYTHING she did online became part of her artistic persona and therefore “copyable.” I don’t agree with her apparent thought process but I can see how she became obsessed with this narrative. It says a lot that she didn’t even check to see when Kaarin started all the projects mentioned. I hope she’s able to unplug for a while honestly
It is odd because I feel like a lot of the Pinterest/Tumblr girlies back in the day felt a huge ego boost from everyone copying them to the T. I guess that’s becoming quite a generational thing but back in the day we really lived by “imitation is the sincerest form of flattery”. If you feel someone is taking inspiration from you (even beyond the creatosphere) it’s a huge compliment!
I feel like it has something to do with the way clout culture has evolved, where now it's seen as this invisible currency that's oh so valuable. So by "copying her content" shes directly stealing from her by getting the clout... But now she's literally losing money and having her wallpaper line dropped, all by chasing this invisible currency lol. Wild
@@bakedtofu420 i agree i think she sees it as taking views away from her platform, and there are pins i have on pinterest where i just made that thing! But i never posted about it and i would freely admit i did not invent the idea! I made a crochet strawberry bag from some pics i found on pinterest, i technically made my own pattern bc i didn't follow anything just some images, but if i saw someone else with it i wouldn't claim it as my own bc i was inspired by someone else to make it myself! hence the DIY!!!!
This.
yes!!! you were their pinterest inspo across the world!!! no one visiting either of your homes will ever see the other. people just live on the internet.
"I guess I can call out every single bisexual woman with money because we all have green velvet couches" as a bisexual woman I cannot tell you how quickly my head whipped over to look at my green velvet couch
I remember hearing about this from someone at work. They mentioned the ''she bought my wallpaper'' part, and I thought it was a joke.
I love the audacity of someone who does Pinterest level DIY and thinks to thensleves these are my ideas and I am so creative to have come up with them. I wish I had that energy.
Big props to Otto studio for applying proper consequences.
Honestly though
I agree that the weirdest/craziest part is complaining that someone bought a product she was selling, like, why is she mad that someone liked her design enough to buy the wallpaper and put it up in their house? How dare someone purchase a product she helped make and is presumedly proud of enough to put on the market 🙄
“Imagine if someone said None of you can wear Barbie pink, Barbie pink is mine.”
Mattel. That’s Mattel. I bet my soul that they’ve at least tried to trademark that in the past 😂
Barbie Pink IS trademarked by Mattel so you nailed it!
It IS trademarked! There is Some merrit to trademarking a color but it tends to be a situational trademark. Essentially it makes it so other toy makers can't make a knock off Barbie and use Barbie pink in the packaging to trick people into buying theirs.
However Mattel has Absolutely gone too far eith it before and tried to sue over the music video for "I'm a Barbie Girl" using Barbie pink and the judge told them to "chill" haha
As somebody who grew up in the eighties and nineties, the squiggle discourse is breaking my brain.
More than the wallpaper I think the squiggles annoyed me more. I first saw the squiggles and shapes popularized by emilyrayna on TikTok, but even then … no one OWNS squiggles. They’re squiggles. Do I have to give Tay credit on my notepads I doodle on during work meetings?
The blue and green also gets me … that was every single tween girl’s bedroom back in the 2000s. You were either a blue and green girlie or a Paris girlie, come on. This whole thing was so ridiculous.
Also, anyone who lived through the 80s can tell you about colorful squiggles. Hell, remember that dixie cup design that basically became the shortcut for retrowave vibes?
The funniest (saddest) part of the squiggles is that one of Tay's other friends makes wall decals and Tay used that friend's squiggle decals in some of her designs but never credited her friend that she got the wall squiggles from. So much for wanting people to get credit for their work, eh?
@@FranNyan Yes! Like has Tay never seen a skating rink carpet before? lmao.
There was another craft-related copying drama in the knitting and crochet world. A crochet and knitting influencer (knitcroaddict) who designs and makes beginner patterns accused a knitting shop that also makes and sells their own patterns of stealing her design. They did not copy the pattern itself, her argument was that the design was similar. The problem was that her design wasn't very original at all. It was a super beginner sweater pattern using the same knitting stitch all over and the most basic sweater construction you could possibly have. A lot of advanced knitters wouldn't have even needed a pattern. Her claiming intellectual property ownership over such a basic design was madness in my opinion. The pattern she was trying to claim was a copy was even more complex in its construction than hers. Its the same with a lot of this stuff. Like the ideas are not original to you, you do not own them.
That IS maddness, thats like trying to claim copyright on a basic stockingette dishcloth! I crochet, but my sister knits and she deadass only buys sweater patterns for the colorwork/if they are using a technique she wants to learn, a basic all over she can knock out in 4-6 weeks depending on how big and how mad she gets at the sleeves XD
@grimmgoosegoose216 she used a less common (tye look is more common in crochet than knitting) but not original stitch and the construction was literally just squares. She didn't even shape the neck hole. It's a fine beginner pattern but she literally did nothing that hasn't been done a million times. The pattern she claimed copied her did have shaping for the neck hole lol. The audacity of these people who are really intermediate at best.
Edit: looking at the images again im not sure how much shaping was on the accused pattern and im not buying it to check. I dont know why I remembered shaping. Either way it wasn't copying
@grimmgoosegoose216 I crochet and I almost never use patterns fully without altering them lol. Once you learn to construct things for yourself, patterns are more for figuring out specific techniques like you said or for inspiration. Im slicing two patterns together for a project im planning now.
Exactly. People in the art world are lost on the actual philosophies of art itself. All art is inspired by other things and made into their own thing by that artist. That is literally the point of art 😭😭😭 I hate the internet and bullies smh
@@mcarter99 same!!! I almost entirely freehand crochet at this point XD if anything I spend more time staring at like a collection of diagrams and then going in XD
What do you have on hook rn?
Im currently swatching for a fun shawl/cape thing :)
storytime: circa 2018 these “colleague” instagram influencers were sponsored by a paint brand to paint with their colour of the year. ensues: beef between them that they copied each other. I was sponsored too, and they both reached out to me mad that I disclosed that it was an ad because they got hate by not disclosing
as someone who managed a social media for a very very specific niche, seeing other accounts doing the same thing just made me feel like "omg i wonder if i can talk to them and collaborate and compare notes and stuff? maybe we could be friends??" rather than yknow, hate them for enjoying the same things as me? lol shes wild for all this drama. power and fame got to her head.
Wow it’s almost like living under a competitive market system that commodifies art and idolizes passive income via IP laws is extremely conducive to poisonously hyper-competitive antisocial behavior.
Damnnnn you ILL with those words sonnnn 😂
This comment reads like you had a lot of fun wording it like this. Like you were really excited about this word choice
intellectual property law = brain chains
that was a lot of words.
DAYUMNNNN did NOT expect the wallpaper company to immediately discontinue her line! Those are some swift and savage consequences O__O
Seems fair tho
I'm not surprised, since part of what she came after Karin for was that Karin had bought the wallpaper. Like, if you're doing what Tay did and partnering with a company to create your products to sell, then you berate your customer(s) for daring to buy and use your product, your partnership with that company is going to be gone very fast when they find out you're telling people NOT to buy the company's products.
As someone who has had a creative job with a boss that actively encouraged blurring the line between professional and personal projects, IT IS SUPER IMPORTANT TO HAVE YOUR OWN PROJECTS JUST FOR YOU!!!
If someone in your work is encouraging you to mix personal and work life, DO NOT LISTEN TO THEM. There’s nothing wrong with bringing in a personal idea from time to time, but crossing that line is exhausting and creatively draining. Everyone deserves to be able to leave work at work and home at home. Especially if there’s drama.
Congratulations, we've just seen two people that share similar gaudy interior design. It is very rare that we find anybody that has an original idea that has not yet been done or has not been based off of something else.
This is an issue every creative community seems to get into for some reason - no idea is 100% original and it's okay that it's derivative.
Their ego is getting too big is probably the problem here…
I remember when I was 13 on tumblr I saw a "callout" because one artist "copied" a color pallet.... color pallet... which is something you can not own in any way...
Capitalism and individualism
Swell's point about people needing to have confidence in their sense of self and not having their self-worth tied to the things they create hits the nail right on the head. This is what the creative community struggles with *constantly* and it's exhausting.
art is theft
I saw a bit of someone else talking about this controversy, and all I could think was ... has this person never heard of sew-alongs or quilt-alongs or stitch-alongs or knit-alongs or whatever? The whole point is that you start a DIY and other people all do it along with you and with their own little variations, and then everyone celebrates that now there are more cool examples of the thing! Literally no one pulls ideas from a vacuum, everyone is always getting ideas from somewhere, and whether someone got their idea from you or you both got your idea from the same place, the whole point of DIY stuff is that everybody tries it and everybody gets a slightly different result. The blue and green thing had me cracking up. Blue and green aren't that common of a color combination?? lol.
I literally just made a whole comment about the fiber community XD and how stupid the make sure you tag OP! Is when its like... granny squares XD
It was Bob Ross's entire thing to get people to copy his art so they could learn proper painting techniques and suddenly people start acting like this.
It's only really an issue if you copy an idea you like and then proceed to financially profit off of it but that's also only problematic if it is a very specific and new thing. A color combination is not. Green and blue are not an original thought and mirrors with shit glued on them aren't either. Some kind of weird animal heads or monsters or dinosaurs were something you could buy in stores about a decade ago in all colors of the rainbow. That has been a literal trend before.
I'm an artist and very familiar with color theory, so the blue and green comment really got me from that perspective. Also, my childhood bedroom was blue and green, my spouse's childhood bedroom was ALSO blue and green, and we have other friends who have had blue and green rooms at some point in their lives... But no, nobody has ever used a blue and green color scheme before 😆
My big thing is her being like “green and blue are an original color scheme I made this color scheme” like so many parents I know did blue and green as their boys rooms color. And I’ve seen it as a color scheme quite a few times for different rooms from study’s to bedrooms. Like it’s in no way special. It’d be like saying no one can do a purple and green wedding just because I plan on having a purple and green wedding.
@@Hello___there the funny thing is that my wedding was blue and green - in almost those exact shades of blue and green, too
Kaarin is literally the sweetest creator. I am so glad people had her back. Tay was out of line for this. Edit: im so glad they pulled her line of wallpaper. There should be consequences. Kaarin got a ton of uneeded hate.
It’s always so telling when the brands working with a creator speak out and then they choose to issue an apology. Funny how when the money dries up, that’s when they’re sorry for their actions 🥸
“They copied me” is such an elementary school thing to say
As a bisexual woman whose ultimate dream home has a green velvet coach I am CALLED OUT. Swell pls 😅
As another bi woman, I guess I have no original thoughts cause the velvet green couch is all I want in my living room
I made a comment about it, but I do really want a velvet green couch as a bisexual woman.
My husband isn't sold on it yet, but if I can find one with cup holders and all the cool shit he's into, it'll be a go lol
Wtf 😭 the only reason I don't have a green velvet couch is because I know my cats would shred it
Who told on us 😢
Velvet is a squick texture for me but I _do_ want a gorgeous forest green couch in a different fabric
not me as a bisexual woman lounging on my velvet green couch as i type this 😂😂
I'm a grown ass man and I'm fully invested in this beef. Being a product of the internet and years of reality TV have broken my brain
Claiming blue and green is an unusal colour combination is a real "go outside and touch grass" moment...
This is exactly the sort of niche drama I’m excited to see you cover.
Same, it’s just gossipy enough and no one is committing felonies and or endangering kids.
I like it because I would never have heard about this dumb drama otherwise. It’s inconsequential, in a good way
actually in the Barbie movie when Ken put on a second pair of sunglasses he was inspired by Swell's intro and gave no credit
Shameful! I thought director Greta G supported other women! /s
"blue and green don't usually go together" ???? Have you ever seen a landscape? Like the sky and grass and trees?? Blue and green are THE colors that go together.
Right? That's literally been my _favorite_ color combination for 12 years and I have the tattoos to prove it!
I feel like as a creative person, posting something you made online and having someone else like it so much they want it in their house and make it themselves is a huge compliment.
I painted my childhood bedroom green and blue 13 years ago…….so did a neighbor It’s a pretty common combination.
SAME!!! Like it's not that uncommon!?
It’s so common that it occurs in nature fr
my mom did it in the 90s😂 how is this girl claiming this combination is not basic af
I was thinking this too. Calling green and blue “abnormal” or “uncommon” is actually ridiculous 🤣🤣🤣
@@michaelazangeres fr I had a blue and green Tamagotchi in the 90s and it was the same shades as the paint. 🤣
I had a “friend” when I was 8 get mad at me for buying the same American Girl doll as she had after she showed me the dolls and we played with hers together. She was super mad that I “copied” her. Looking back on that, it was so stupid and ridiculous for her to be mad at that. It’s even worse for full grown adult women to respond that way
my childhood friend forced me to pick a different favorite member of backstreet boys because we couldnt like the same member
I’d understand an 8 year old having that mindset, even a teenager, but an adult? That’s embarrassing
Please tell me it was back when there was only Kirsten, Samantha, and Molly, because that would be even sillier when there were so few choices. I’m admitting my old age but whatever. We used to argue over which doll was better, Samantha or Kirsten. Poor Molly was not popular in my Brownie troop. I championed Samantha because she had the nicest things. (Though really everything for every doll was truly heirloom quality back with Pleasant Company, before Mattel made it all plastic and a-historical.)
It reminds me of the "same dress at the dance/prom" trope in TV shows....
@@DrawciaGleam02to be fair i forced my friend not to wear green to prom bc we were brunettes with bobs and would look too similar. but we were 11, not fully grown women. (yes we planned out prom dresses 5 years before prom)
From having years in artistic communities and industries, I've seen these "Someone copied me" people before. Thank fucking god I've never dealt with one because I'd be much meaner than most because I find them insufferable. No one copied you. You can't copyright or claim a style, or color, or theme, or anything like that really. In my experience people who claim others are copying them turn out to be hacks most of the times themselves. It's all just projection and people with no self esteem.
This could so easily be used to justify putting artists out of work with Ai.
The fact that she tagged Tay in every video and the wallpaper company and constantly said she was inspired by her…. I’ve followed Kaarin for so long and it’s just sad that Tay attacked her this way.
she made a huuuuuge misstep by trying to blast the other creator instead of handling it privately????
like it's clear it's born from insecurity and maybe she could have learned that there was established respect
but going after someone is only ever gonna bring opposition 😭
Tiktokers are so against healthy communication. If it's not dramatic, they don't want it
Is it really that hard for these people to go like "yo I notice you share a lot of decor with me and while I'm a DIY content creator I would have liked if you put more of your own spin on it" or literally anything, like WTF
Why is the idea of handling private issues in private such a crazy thing nowadays, like what the HELL. It's like if you don't share every DM you ever receive on TikTok you're "hiding something". Bring back internet safety and privacy.
@@penguinsrbirds2 this. Omg. If you don't wanna completely give up your privacy, you're "weird" according to the internet but like
Y'all don't need to know my country, my state, my hobbies, everything about me, etc.
I honestly wonder if they start these DMs and realize how ridiculous they sound so they send it out as content that the person can't directly reply to without all their supportive fans boosting their egos
@@mchjsosde Honestly id never considered this scenario and the idea that the possible ego boost is SUCH A GOOD POINT to bring up 😭
the idea that even if the person disagrees, thousands of fans will still support them is probably a HUGE factor
and Gross!!!!!!
we truly live in a society 😔
The moss mirror is what gets me as if the last 2 years Pinterest wasn't SHOCK FULL of moss mirrors and windows and everything ! I know, I made something in that vein too!!
Right? Like 15 years ago I did that haha it's not new by any means.
Its so sad because id be honestly flattered if someone took inspiration from my home.
Also I'm a goth, I pretty much only wear red and black and big boots and I've never felt threatened by other people with similar style, there's a kinship in it.
It's sad that she could only actually apologise after it impacted her paycheck. The viewer should not have to hold her accountable, you as a public figure should hold yourself accountable
it's fully giving 10 year old playground bullying "Susie's copying me by wearing the same shoes as me!"
Don't become a infuencer if you don't like people taking inspiration form you
Bro this seems so silly but also imagine lightheartedly following your favorite content creator and feeling so inspired to do art by them and they they turn around and just shit all over you for liking their style enough to recreate it 😂
dude i literally commented this too (not accusing you of copying me 😂) i think it’s actually insane to be inspired by someone who, for all intents and purposes, exists online solely for that purpose. she calls herself the “do it yourself queen” or something, has a linktree with everything she uses linked, advertises in her (at least youtube, idk about the others) bio that everything she uses is in her linktree in case you’re wanting to do them, and yet here we are. maybe she’s just the first person who has ever actually clearly drawn inspiration from her and executed it well? i think what’s most telling is that her old roommate came forward to “expose” her behavior. like, it’s so clear that this is just how she treats everyone in her life, not just this one random person.
Yeah I felt so bad for her there.....😢
this whole situation feels ridiculous, but it also feels like there's an undertone of classism. especially in the way that tay called kaarin's couch a "knock off" of her own couch. i am not super familiar with tay's content, but i have seen quite a bit of kaarin's and she generally is trying to implement budget friendly and affordable options in her videos which feels like it is being looked down upon or seen as less legitimate than tay because of that? even though the point of DIY is to do things more affordably lol. tay just appears to have a real ego problem and desire to be ~different~ from everybody else
"Green and blue are abnormal colour choices"
Obviously she's never seen Earth day posters/art.
14:20 Another crazy part about this drama is that wallpaper was with a second content creator named Dani. So Tay basically tanked both of their collab with the company
Omg i totally forgot tay and dani worked together…hopefully dani can do her own wallpaper collab
Tay needs to learn about synchronicity (I think that's what it's called anyway). Like you said, most of her videos are based on diys that have been around forever. But after doing it herself, she thinks everyone copied her. No, you're just noticing a larger creator doing it because it's on your mind. Years ago, my friends and I made 1950s inspired Sailor Moon outfits. After we did, we started noticing a lot more 50s this and 50s that cosplays. It felt like we had a hand in it. Did we? Yeah no probably not. AU versions of Sailor Moon, Disney princesses, etc have been around for-fucking-ever. Tay needs to relax and understand she does have some influence but not that much. She's not the main character
I love your angle on this! Something similar happened to me over twenty years back. I made a fussy, insanely detailed Halloween costume using only things I found at the hardware store. After that, I felt I was seeing people do duct tape everything and ironic hardware store costumes all over the place. Honestly, it was probably because all of us proto-hipsters were the children of ecology obsessed hippies and we were all reading readymade magazine and came of age staring at the same junk art album covers. There is a subtle sort of “undercurrent” to the early stage of trends. I think “innovative” people are simply observant folks who are hyper sensitive to this undercurrent. Although, the big sister in me can understand the first gal’s annoyance, she probably should have just whined about it to her friends and left it off social media.
Synchronicity, baader-meinhof phenomenon (frequency bias)
Very good point! Also what a lovely idea to make a 50s inspired sailor moon cosplay. As a fat girl, I've sometimes wanted to cosplay as sailor neptune, but I'm not comfortable showing that much of my legs. 50s inspired would really make it feel more comfortable. Not that I'm likely to do it since there aren't any conventions near me. But the idea put a smile on my face.
@@MichiruEll I totally feel you on not wanting to wear such a short skirt. A couple of my friends have tried to get me into regular scout uniforms and I just won't. I'll do just about any crossover you want me to but I'm not wearing a white spandex suit and mini skirt. The 50s stuff was fun. A shirt sleeve polo or button up with a poodle skirt and a few accessories is a great casual cosplay
the part that I seriously cannot get over is the fact that she made merch and... got mad that someone bought her product? like is that not the point? why sell wallpaper if you didn't want anyone to use it?
I think in her mind, taybeeboop included the part about her wallpaper because she thought that would prove that kaarin knowingly stole her style, because owning her wallpaper means she probably likes her enough to know the kind of style she's "stealing"
It does nothing to help her argument, but that may have been her thought process
The thing that makes this situation sad for me is that Tay was able in a single video to make another person feel less comfortable in their own home. A lot of time, money, and energy went into these designs, whether or not they were inspired or "copied," and that person will never feel quite as proud or welcome walking into a room of their house now that these concepts have been sullied
(I honestly get where Tay is coming from, but take a step back, think whether the whole Internet needs to see it or just a group chat of select friends you can complain to? tbh all creators [and non] need to think of the potential reach something may have before posting publicly)
such a good point, like not only did she attack the other creator, she literally destroyed the one place she should be allowed to feel safe, her own home. i would not blame kaarin if she felt the need to re-design her whole house now
Apparently she did a group text and her group text told her to called out the other creator.
I don’t really get how people get Tay’s point anyways considering it was shown in this video that in most of Tay’s examples Kaarin had actually started and posted her project before Tay ever even posted hers
yeah even though its all over her design is alway going to look tainted and she might even change some stuff so she doesn't have to remember it on a daily basis. thats sad.
@@ZectifinOn the plus side, she can ride high on the drama by "DIY DE-TAY-IFYING MY HOUSE WITH ME!"
I think what makes it so hard for me to understand is, as a fanfiction girly, fandoms go through phases of popular fics. So like it's not weird for 50 people to writ the same concept , especially when there is still content coming out or if more people are finding the source material. Like there are logical next steps of exploration at times, too! I can't tell you how many people wrote "__ falls into middle earth" fics back in the day or in any fiction with alter egos (Danny Phantom, Miraculous Ladybug, any superhero fandom) the countless number of "What if __ character found out?" fics. I don't follow a lot of DIY stuff, but every online space goes through phases too. It's a natural thing that humans just do! Like look at fashion or music over the decades. Claiming you're the only one with an idea and that no one else can do the idea is just... so short sighted.
Even in the last 12 months in one of my fandoms I can pinpoint the exact time period of the phases of _found family X is adopted by Y_ fics, the amnesia fics, and the Red White and Royal Blue AU fics
People’s egos get so inflated once they have a following. They forget that art is taking from people who inspire you and putting your own spin on it. Anything that can be done, has been done. If anything Tay should’ve been grateful someone took inspiration from her. I’m glad she’s getting flack for this bc she very much so should
I'm late to the party, but for me she goes out accusing people because she's doing the same. So it's her guilt showing.
Also, I love Royalty Soaps here on RUclips because Katie literally gives her recipes in the description and has explained to the audience that it's ok for people to "copy" her soaps and designs because that's the point of making the DIY, even tho her soaps are one of a kind, they're not the only ones. Also she'd said that creators don't need to fight over audiences and clients, there's enough for everybody and honestly? I like her very much for that.
If you make a artsy DIY channel/page and gets mad if people are copying, you don't have maturity enough to have a DIY channel/page.