How Good Was Grant Hill REALLY?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
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What do you think Hill’s ceiling was if significant injuries didn’t take place?
NOTE: So apologies to the few of you who’ve seen a version of this video before. Within the last couple months, I’ve been getting hit hard with claims, so every once in while, I might need to do a re-upload. I updated the audio, and reedited some sections. Hopefully this one stays claim free. IF you’re interested in supporting the channel, my TeeSpring store has officially launched. Regardless, thanks so much for watching :)
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His ceiling was a top 3 player in the league in the 2000s and depending on if he was on the right team, he would've been competing for rings
Thanks for the heart!
Grant Hill was a very good player, but why do some people act like he got injured at 22 or 23? We saw Grant Hill at 24, 25, 26, 27.
The vast majority of players have already shown us how good they can be at least from a statistical standpoint by 26 or 27, they can improve in some other area and fine tune parts of their game, but usually are settling into situations where they have better teams and their stats might even go down. If you don't think 25, 26 and 27 year old Hill was (for example) Kobe's level, then it's not possible for you to think he would have been as good as Kobe.
Hey can you do a video on How good was Sean Elliot
He made me switch from 7-Up to Sprite so I'd say he's pretty damn good.
"Grant Hill drinks sprite?"
7up sickly anyway
7up is a Sprite bootleg
He killed pido dido
Grant Hill and Penny Harddaway are in my eyes the saddest stories of NBA.
I would add Larry Johnson to that group.
And d rose come on now
I remember buying so many Basketball cards as a kid, trying to get Hill's Rookie card. The hype was REAL
and TMac
@Tong Zou Jay Williams?
Him and Penny man...saddest stories in the past 40 years. There's a reason Jordan anointed them as his direct predecessor. They both had the ability on the court and the ability to market themselves as the face of the league. Both are super important to the trajectory of basketball.
Grant hill is stupidly amazing in 2k for some reason. Probably the only conscious thing 2k has done for a player.
That’s good because 2k ratings be on something sometimes. Example is that the 2016 Kyrie Irving is a 93 and in his years in the Celtics he was a 90-91 despite averaging more steals points rebounds assists and a better shooting percentage.
@@loganmurphy2916 postseason counts as well, if anything 1995 magic penny being only 85 is really ridiculous
@@casualfandestroyer2503 that piss me off every 2k. He was a first team all NBA player in his 2nd season. He's easily a 93+
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@@bazingacurta2567 no i’m the danger
Anyone else like those Pistons Horse jerseys? Man were those 90's!
I loved those Magic Jerseys. Ones with all the stars on em. Those might be the 2000s those. But yea the 90s had the best jerseys imo. No doubt.
It’s crazy, because Stephen Curry was literally going to be a Grant Hill with the ankle injuries early on in his career but he triumphed due to the technological advancements of this day and age.
Imagine if he was healthy when he was on the Orlando Magic with T-Mac 😳. Sad that injuries shortened his prime, he was a beast.
And Penny and Shaq. Man! That would be the greatest team ever
Watched this guy play at SouthLakes Highschool and even got a chance to play against him at Nottoway Park. Amazing guy and probably the biggest what if’s in NBA history.
His fila Grant hill’s were pretty cool shoes
I had a pair
Grant Hill 96s...favorite player, favorite shoe
They still are fiya🔥
I was born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. Sonics and Blazers fan. Japanese-American. Stocked up on $30 white and black Fila shoes. If Grant Hill endorses this brand, it couldn't be that bad.
He was something special, could do it all and do it all well. No doubt he missed out on more all star appearances and possible championships if he doesn't get injured. Such a great talent.
I knew I saw this before....either way great to watch again...I still go back and watch old games of hill
He was so great,the pistons had him and allan houston coulda been a great team...i remember his sprite commercials, his Fila sneakers and that game winning shot against the lakers..
This guy was my very first favorite nba player. 96-97 was my very first year watching the league and I fell in love with his game, even though detroit pistons games were hardly ever on TV lol
@vidaa82 awesome! cool to share that experience haha
Glad you finally did Grant Hill. I remember him well pre injury. There was a great hype and it was more then deserved. That guy was a complete beast!. So overlooked because his total averages weren't great because he had a long injury riddled career. We only got six great seasons and then injuries started to pile up. We hand him for 13 ok seasons after that. We sometimes saw flashes of old Grant Hill in one or two seasons after the injuries but he was mainly a very good role player for most of his career. With no injuries, we would maybe be talking about top 5 all time.
So pumped for this! I know its a re-upload, but its still awesome!
Lol. Thanks for being so supportive, friend. These copyright claims are annoying
@@jonnyarnett I know, they can ruin your day, and even more so, mine!
Grant Hill was awesome in Detroit. Triple double machine. He was so explosive.
In my opinion Grant Hill was Lebron before Lebron an all around SF that can do a little bit of everything one of the greatest what ifs....
Nope. Not even close. Lebron can guard all 5 positions. Hill can’t.
@@jrsmith1998 if shaq or prime howard is on fire, will you let lebron guard them? Lol
@@marinapaller9522 yes
@@jrsmith1998No, he can't guard 90s allstar centers
I remember when he fist injured his ankle. Even though I'm a lifelong Laker fan I was really looking forward to seeing him and TMac take over the Eastern conference in Orlando. Definitely one of the biggest what if stories in sports history.
Great video man! Since my family is a longtime Detroit fan everything about Grant Hills story hurts me to the bone.
Grant, Barry, Calvin, ... we just screwed
You should have highlighted Grant Hill’s NASTY dunk on Alonzo Mourning! One of the best all time!!
That dunk came right after the 2 had to be separated too. Alonzo tried to rough up Hill in the paint a little bit. Nice guy Hill wasn't having it. He turned, and body slammed him on the back of his head, and stood over a surprised Zo. Very next play...
Bro just imagine him, tracy mcgrady and tim duncan on the same team. The early to mid 2000s finals might've actually been interesting 😅. Even without Duncan, who would've stopped them in the east
Day 1 of asking for how good was Jermaine O’Neal
I co-sign this
That 2004 Team could of been champs
Another top quality video. Great work Jonny. You can easily recongize the amount of reseach and hard work you put in.
Fun facts:
Harold Minor of USC was also called Baby Jordan
Some said that Grant Hill injuries don’t heal due to lack of Vitamin D, due to lack of sunlight, due to wearing shoes, playing indoors and living in northern latitudes.
He was considered a forward but had the handles and acceleration of a point guard, and was often used to create the offense.
Grant was my fav player.thank you for that.
I think he would have one a couple of championships for sure, man I remember buying his shoes with fila and I wasn't even a piston fan that's how much respect and love I had for him and still do. He's still happy of fame material his stats says it all.
I remember the buzz surrounding grant Hill before he even played a game. Then first game,opening tip, catches a lob from dumars. He woulda been a top 20 greatest player ever had he not been injured so much. Hill, hardaway, tmac...3 big what ifs!
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And had people wearing fila
Dont worry about the reuploads :) more than happy to revisit any video you have to repost. Thank you for the great content on this channel and I hope dealing with these claims goes smoothly for you
Cunningham came pretty damn close to Hill’s rookie numbers but Hill is another beast with averages like that on high efficiency. Wonder what it would’ve been like to watch him in his prime as a part of this pistons team without being traded or injured.
I was born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. Sonics and Blazers fan. Japanese-American. Did Grant Hill have a SPECIFIC fall/turn of his ankle, that led to those disastrous years in Orlando, and beyond? Or, was it more of a "degenerative condition?" Some players get done in by knee problems, for example, not from "one major blowout," but some of them had a debilitating condition, that eventually caught up with them. I wasn't sure if Grant Hill got specifically injured in a particular game, and play, that sent him tumbling (relatively speaking, but using his Detroit days as the measuring stick).
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I'm very torn on whether Grant Hill should be in the Hall of Fame. Most 7 time all stars are, but I argued against his inclusion at the time. He clearly played at elite level in his Pistons years, but injuries destroyed his Magic years and while he had a nice end with the Suns, that was as a role player. Had he had Pistons level success in his Magic years he would definitely be a Hall of Famer. As that didn't work out, his Hall of Fame case comes down to just his Pistons years. Those were very good years. especially 1007 when he finished third in MVP voting,, but I'd have liked to have seen another year or two of very good basketball. My verdict is that he's a Hall of Very Gooder whose health derailed his potential but I was surprised he got in. Then again, he does have the all star nods. Talent wise he was expulsive driving to the hole at his best and an excellent passer and ball handler so he had the skill.
Basketball HOF, not NBA HOF. don't ignore college etc
Him being herald as the next MJ that meant a lot ....despite the injuries he faced he was poised for greater things
Yo grant hill is still one of the greatest in my opinion and would have been a force to deal with if it wasn't for those injuries 🤦🏾♂️💯
I feel robbed as a fan, with regards to Grant Hill's injury. You can also add Penny Hardaway to that list.
Still my favorite player!
I remember the media said he’s just like mike but better and MJ torch him dropping 55
It should be noted Grant Hill's time as a role player saw him becoming very strong in defense.
he has some of the nastiest dunks ever, 2 on mourning, 1 on Mutombo, and 1 over Muerasan and like 2 other bullets.
I love this series. If he had not screwed his ankle, that duo with McGrady in Orlando would have been brutal.
Grant Hill
1st round pick out of Duke in 1994
1994/95 Co-Rookie of the year 🏆(19.9 points on 47.7% from the field)
8x All Star ⭐️
1996 🇺🇸🥇
1997 1st team All-NBA (21 points per game on 49% from the field in his third season as a Piston)
4x Second Team All-NBA
1993/94 ACC Player of the year 🏆
1992/93 NABC DPOY 🏆
2x NCAA champion 🏆🏆
Pistons
1994-2000
Magic
2000-2007
Suns
2007-2012
LA Clippers
2012-2013
I had his jersey when i was a kid, and i just bought 1. He made a name for fila. And he drinks sprite! (Intro for sprite commercial)
Can you do a how good was Jason Kidd
Can you make a how good was Bob McAdoo video i think he is underrated and people don't talk about him
Man, back then they loved getting to the rim. Now, it's all 3 pointers. Also, it was a time when centers played the role of challenging that, not they let players do whatever they want.
Oh! I nearly forgot to mention that in NBA2K21 in a 3 vs. 3 with Jordan and Iverson loosing against Hill as the best player. Was cool to let the CPU play the game and see what comes out of that game
Nate Thurmond next please.
Can you do a video on Tom Chambers? He doesn’t get enough talk and I find him real underrated. Sure maybe why he doesn’t get talk about much is because of recent events surrounding him but I’m sure you’ll do your usual and make another great video on forgotten nba stars!
Damn your vids are good.
Michael had that aura off the court it was his likeability from the fans, some guys got the game but not the character.
I always thought players like Hill, Hardaway and even LBJ should have been considered the nextMagic and were mislabeled as the next Jordan. I guess marketing them that way made more since for the league.
Injuries took a lot of careers out in the 90’s.
I thought he was pretty worthy of his HOF selection just based on the first 6 seasons and college career alone. Plus cultural impact as people are bringing up the commercials, the sneakers, also you could say how he carried himself.
No injuries Hill would be the goat honestly.
Can you start a 1on1 who would win video series lol i would love to see your take.. 1st video should be tim Duncan or kevin garnett
No joke, that might actually happen. I previously agreed to do specific videos for another platform, and that was going to be the content. I've already completed a George Gervin Vs Allen Iverson video that I'm just sitting on. I guess its more like a "who's greater" or "who's higher all-time" type of video. Anyway, its starting to look like the deal might be falling through, so I might be uploading it here instead. Either way, I'll keep y'all posted.
Ok now I’m hype lol.
@@jonnyarnett bro post that please, everyone would enjoy that kind of content
I think if his career wasn't ruined by injuries, we'd be comparing Lebron to him instead of Jordan, because let's be real, there's nothing to compare Jordan and Lebron on. different playstyle, different position, etc. G-Hill and lebron are both versatile small forwards, Jordan is a score first shooting guard. But trying to sell the "next jordan" is very appealing to fans.
90's NBA was taff man. I bet that within todays NBA Hill would or could be a force never seen before. It is a sad thing but i look at the good things i look back at the great games he played! Grant Hill 33 from Duke
Next do how good was joe dumars.
Use to love watching G.Hill at Duke
If he didn't had an injury career, people would have been comparing LeBron to Grant hill,not Jordan since people know that no one will replace Jordan..
HILL would have retired as an all time top ten great for sure
I am a Pistons fan. I started watching in 1991 and I have yet to stop watching.
The Detroit media was calling Hill 'soft,' while they attempted to structure a team that was different in style from the Bad Boys, and allowed them to raise Hill's pay.without losing him.
With Doug Collins, the Pistons were 100-64 through two years, or the same record as Rick Carlisle. He guided the Bulls to the East Finals in 1989, and wanted Hill to control not through scoring, but rebounding. It made him aggressive. It made him focused. It guided the rest of his game.
But, Collins is a firecracker of a coach. The carnage includes Orlando Woodridge in Chicago and Kwame Brown in Washington. He's nuanced, hard-working, but he's a hard ass and he never got the Pistons out of the First Round.
Why?
Their best season? 1996-97?
The players mutinied; Otis Thorpe and Terry Mills chief among them. They wanted Collins fired. Dumars and Hill had to publicly throw their support behind him, and Collins was a hothead. He was livid.
Thorpe? Go play in Vancouver.
Mills? No free agent money.
Michael Curry who had to broker the peace? I can do it without you. Get out.
And the media went nuts. The Pistons were being run like the Corleone family, prompting head scratching moves as Collins tried to save face.
He was fired, finally, in January, 1998. But, Sund was no better. He trained Dumars, but 19 million in salary space was wasted on Christian Laettner, who would blow out his achilles during the 1999 work stoppage, Jud Buechler, another Bull making money off Jordan, and Loy Vaught! The one-time National Champion, at U of M, had spent 18 months in rehab with a serious back injury suffered while playing for the Clippers.
Torn Achilles
Veteran nobodies.
Back injury.
Bipolar (Williams/Dele)
Those are your free agents under Sund.
So, other than nostalgia, why bring this up?
Detroit is calling him "soft." He tweaks an ankle in Seattle. He's on national TV in Philly when they call it a sprained ankle. The Pistons are overusing him. Playing for a month, not a week, on a bad ankle cost him his bloody career.
This was not Hill's fault. This was the Pistons in the biggest mismanagement of a superstar I have ever seen. I love them, and I love the era after Hill. But, they screwed him up.
Dope video!!
I remember when they used to call him Baby Jordan where I grew up.
I know this more than a year old but Grant Hill led the All Star voting on his Rookie Year not just his 2nd year. Until now, only rookie to ever start and lead the AS voting.
I was a big Grant Hill fan!
Sampsom, Hill, Rose, Oden are the biggest what IF, if injuries never derailed their career. However, Hill was healthy his first 6-years, hence, he was able to accomplish a lot, getting to the HOF.
Penny Hardaway as well
Can you do a video on the 1984 Olympic team ? They were crazy good and were a underrated USA team in my opinion
Hill was elite.
And he never had a really good team around him in those 6 seasons he pretty much improved their record on his own. Those teal jerseys are cursed
i did do and/or will rank 4 stars in this EXACT order #1 grant hill #2 anfernee hardaway #3 kobe bryant and #4 lebron james because the 90's had legends hakeem olajuwon and michael jordan
No injury he was the next Jordan.
Watch some of his Duke highlights too.
He played as a freshman. When coach k didn't play as freshman.
ruclips.net/video/jAWvlrGOHuI/видео.html
4:59 Man Grant was on a legendary pace
1:23 Kobe: and I took that personally
So quick for his size
Add Derrick Rose to that list. I love G. Hill as I am a lifelong Duke fan as well
How good is Jonny Arnett... REALLY?
So basically the OG Vince Carter with D Rose type situation
Atleast Derrick Rose got his MVP but Grant Hill and Penny Hardaway are the biggest what if’s
Sad what happened to Hill, but other than one season where he averaged 26 ppg, he wasn't the scorer Jordan, or even Lebron was. LBJ had a few seasons with over 30 ppg, and was a consistent 27 ppg scorer while getting almost as many triple doubles. Plus, Hill had 7 years to help his team in the playoffs and kept losing in the first round. Also, he wasn't the killer Jordan or Kobe were. Great player, great high flyer, future 75 greatest if healthy, but he would have never been LBJ, Kobe, or MJ.
his story kinda reminds me of derrick rose
I still remember the shock and disappointment when he got injured. This guy was legit and expected to take MJs throne when he retired. The hype was like Hill was the second coming of Jesus... well not Jesus but at least basketball Jesus. To put it into some perspective for younger fans: And I really hope this never happens but it would be horribly disappointing to see guys like, Luka, Trae, Zion, Tatum and Morant have career altering injuries. That would still not come close to the shock as Grant Hill injuries were at the time.
1:40. Passes the torch Hill and Hardaway. Both get severely injured. Maybe michaels blessing more a curse?
Holy shit, I had no idea
Johnny please make a Ben Wallace a man who went undrafted and now holds a record of 4 defensive player of year award and became a huge part of the 2004 Detroit pistons and they beat and almost swept the lakers who just came off a 3 peat and made a western conference after that and honestly if it wasn’t for San Antonio Spurs the lakers would of beat the Nets and The 2004 lakers team everyone thought them to win but no it was the opposite
Love these videos would be awesome to see glen rice
When I was a kid I had a Grant Hill card and for some reason he became my favorite player... I didnt know he was this good. Funny
Why you gotta use that intro song. Got me feeling old and shit while I'm watching something about 90s nba haha
and also FILA might have rival nike as it was gaining popularity thanks to GHILL
How good was Chris bosh really next
Can you make one about jo jo white? A true legend which not a lot know about.
As Isiah said "Let's Acknowledge Who This Guy Is" Hill was gonna be passed the torch
Beutiful content friend thanks!
Injuries really destroyed their careers like Tmacs and Penny
No tmac was just overrated
Clicked on this video so fast.
please tell me do you all feel like the eliteness was higher with duke or the pistons for star grant hill
Uooh how good was It Tim Hardaway Sr.
I played him ive seen quicker players but he was pretty strong and had a weird knuckleball 3 pointer and very good handles fast passes
Because of Penny and Grant's injuries there were no serious threat to shaq and kobes title run
If the injuries never happened the east will remain strong because of Penny and Grant dominating the nba
the next to the throne... the true heir to the king