Yup: like 60% of the historic films you watched in school of WW2 and the like were shot on one of these. The method is as important to preserve as the media itself.
Man, that is the most modern looking historical footage of Toronto I've seen! heh, It's amazing how shooting with vintage equipment gives such incredible vintage looking results, even though it's present day. My mind can't compute :)
The problem with these cameras is everyone thinks they're cheaply made. They weren't and generally still operating on their original lubrication protocol from the day they left the factory. Find the service manual for a Filmo mag cam, for example, open and CLA the gizmo and they are as tight as it gets. The GSAP was taken from the design specs of these cameras with a wild motor added and because of that pressure plate pin in the magazine, the registration remained damned good. Certainly good enough for the NAVY for gunnery analyzation. But, ya gotta clean and lube it, right? I've shot the Filmo I've owned and it's never let me down, and while I was a bit disappointed with the Kodak I used...once, it was because the primes were not great. Ok, but not great. Because the Filmo has a c-mount and Angenieux primes are available the experience with the Filmo is completely different. Variable shutter? Nope. In camera fades and dissolves? Nope. Convertable to Super 16? God no. But does it move film effectively and can you properly expose that film? Yep. Do what they do in post production after digitization and you can build yourself some rather handsome art. And sooner or later someone is going to remove that easily gotten to clockwork motor and modify to a crystal lock drive and have themselves a rather useful tool. I'm kinda surprised they haven't done it yet.
Wow, what a coincidence. I have never shot 16mm but I have this exact same camera and model loaded with a cartridge and ready to go! This was helpful. Thank you!
Magical -- and the music helps as well! Yep -- back in the day -- even before *MY* day -- my grandparents would have used similar cameras, and brownie box cameras, early pseudo-TLR cameras, to capture family photos and home movies. The 16mm edges out 8mm in resolution and clarity -- but it's still a work of art/love, not so much a "movie." It's great that the camera tech still works so well -- and pretty easily -- and isn't "rocket science" -- yet still captures these moments in *moving* time. I was kinda hoping that you'd gotten a shot of Kasey (Camera Conspiracies) in the park!!! And Mike, et al, with the FPP are doing a ton to keep the love of various film formats alive. Often only for the price of a pizza or two!!!
Later military magazines were called A6 and usually loaded with Kodak Aerocolor ( remember Aerocolor ? ). All mine had the two bottom rollers removed. The proper way to change 16 MM double perforated is cut 50 - 53 feet of film off a reel. Remove the two screws in a genuine duffle bag and drop them and all the parts in a small Pyrex dish. Spool and path the film and reassemble the parts. If you lose track of expose and shiny side, lick the film and the emulsion side will feel dull. Dull faces the lens. Training practice can be done with old film in the light. It's good to load a half dozen magazines at a time, when you get the urge. Expect an occasional magazine to become a parts donor. Clap your soundtracks for post production. You can find tungsten or daylight film. Reversal or negative, but alas, no Aerocolor negative. An old magazine might surprise you with an undeveloped pounce on Heinckel 111's, then pilots playing baseball.
I got one of those, which was in pretty rough shape. Right now it's sitting on my workbench, completely taken apart (except for the spring wind mechanisms, not sure if I want to open those). It needs some really good cleaning and fresh oil afterwards. I'm really looking forward to shooting with it, especially after watching your footage. Btw: The speed selector just locks at 16, 32 and 64 fps, but the camera should be able to do everything between (including changing speed while running). Speed is controlled by centrifugal force, so the speed selector changes the position of an axis which has two weights connected to it. Depending on the axis position the two weights are either pushed out (16fps) or moved close to the axis (64fps). So basically, positioning the speed selector right between 16 and 32 should give you 24fps. I will test this when I finished restoring my Kodak Cine 16mm magazine camera.
16mm mags are back in stock at Film Photography Project and I got mine in the mail today! I can't believe you can shoot real 16mm on a $25 camera the size of a Super-8 camera, but I'm about to try it!
Just purchased a Revere 16mm magazine movie camera at a local Goodwill. I have a couple of cartridges purchased over 20 years ago but will check on availability of pre-loaded magazines and processing mentioned in the video.
I love the old footage and didn't know if it was really possible to do that anymore without a smartphone app or unless spending a heap of money. The footage you filmed definitely reminds me of WW2 footage! I would love to make a film like that myself, closest thing to time travel!
Interesting to see the magazine film in action! I recently used a Cine 8 Model 20 from the same era and am going to send the footage off for development soon. BW40 from FPP as well so this gives me an idea what I can expect although 8mm with a basic lens will have much lower quality I am thinking. The model 20 was the most basic version of the early Cine Kodak cameras, essentially the box camera equivalent of movie cameras.
Hi Analog Resurgence, I like the 8/16/33 mm look. But is there cheap alternative? Getting the footage developed and digitized is hardly affordable if you want to shoot a full length analog film (and dont want to use pseudo-analog digital filter.)
So beautiful!! I love the look, and it became apparent that the choppy framerate does so much to make it look very 30's/40's ish. in my eyes, it has a great charm, but I am also of the mindset that running super 8 at 24 fps sort of ruins the feel of it, so I guess I have a bit of a bias :p
Well dang it you whippersnappers, I have one of those movie cameras sitting on my shelf gathering dust. The lens looks like it has a bit of fungus on it. A slight difference with mine is the "camera speed" goes from 8-16-64. Methinks it was my fathers camera. I also have a bunch of 16MM film that I've always wanted to scan. Some of it might be of me in my younger days, but I can't be sure. Maybe I'll send some of it to FPP to scan. Thanks.
I remain baffled as to why modern, professional 16mm cartridge film does not exist. Or 35mm, for that matter. It would eliminate the needless (if low) risk of poorly loaded mags or accidentally exposed film. Film is still popular enough to warrant this invention.
Wow, the price is higher now. I checked and it's $2,565 now. I was planning to buy, since I got the WWII Navy Marked Magazine Cine-Kodak. But the price is killing me 😭 (I'm not sure if it's in USD or it automatically changed to NTD since I'm browsing here in Taiwan, can't tell since it's just a $ sign where it happens to be used here too ).
Just imagine the pranks you could play on conspiracy theorists. The kind where the person believes in time travel, and you hand them a photo of a man in 1931, holding a IPhone.
hi, i’ve just been exposed to film photography recently. i wonder that apart from instax (wide, square, mini); polaroid (go, i-type, sx-70, 600, spectra, 8x10); film (135, 120, aps, 4x5...); polaroid packfilm (667, 101, 84, 690...) are there any type of film photo? waiting for your reply😆
I just found a camera exactly like the one in this video, last month at a Goodwill store. My lens looks a bit rough and could use some oil? Maybe? Where could I send it to get it tested or serviced? If anyone knows that would be great!
Just be sure to mail back the magazines once you're through with them. It goes without saying, but I've heard through the FPP podcast that some people have NOT mailed back their magazines...
"mail back the magazines once you're through with them" - Well if someone paid the $100 total for the Mag, loaded film, develop & scanning, then it's likely that they'll send it in for the final process (FFP will then keep the Mag for another customer). If they don't send it in, then everybody loses...
I don't agree that the quality is necessarily going to be lower than what you would get from a Bolex. I saw some footage shot on a Revere 50 foot magazine camera from the Film photography project that had steadiness that Bolex can only dream of. Now if you are referring to Kodak made cameras, you might have a point there. Kodak has always been inferior in the camera department.
16 MM magazine film was still developed until the early 1990's. When the Army and Navy rejected Kodachrome and Kodachrome A film because it was too hard to develop, Kodak introduced Aerocolor, a tungsten balanced negative film. Gun camera films sometimes had military home movies at the end when servicemen switched the magazine to a military Filmo. Aerocolor is beginning to make a comeback, and it is superior to Vision. Finding it in it's original 2R 16 MM double perforations hasn't happened.
I really like all these old camera designs, that look like a lunch box or a whiskey flask or radio and stuff, because it just feels magic to see all of them bring out cool results and the work they do mechanically.
I'm still waiting for the breaking point that demand will be enough for someone to create a easy/cheap way of scanning 16mm and 8mm film with a mirrorless either frame by frame or with a synced framerate to today standars. There is a company offering a modified proyector + lens to attach any modern camera, but is 1800 dolars 🤪
I’ve seen several projects using vintage projectors modified with slow speed motors, LED light, and a macro mirrorless camera. I plan to build something like that for myself!
Mostly because it’s incredibly expensive and there are a wider variety of black and white film stocks being manufactured that are worth covering in comparison to the very limited number of color stocks.
"Why is that strange man pointing his lunchbox at me?" 😁🎥
its something magical seeing a vintage looking footage of modern stuff. Artists could use that for their art
Yup: like 60% of the historic films you watched in school of WW2 and the like were shot on one of these. The method is as important to preserve as the media itself.
Man, that is the most modern looking historical footage of Toronto I've seen! heh, It's amazing how shooting with vintage equipment gives such incredible vintage looking results, even though it's present day. My mind can't compute :)
Well said Mr. Spock! 😊
For a moment I thought he was somewhere in Boston. The architecture looks alike.
Thanks for the mention, Noah! Love your channel, keep up the great work!!
The problem with these cameras is everyone thinks they're cheaply made. They weren't and generally still operating on their original lubrication protocol from the day they left the factory. Find the service manual for a Filmo mag cam, for example, open and CLA the gizmo and they are as tight as it gets. The GSAP was taken from the design specs of these cameras with a wild motor added and because of that pressure plate pin in the magazine, the registration remained damned good. Certainly good enough for the NAVY for gunnery analyzation. But, ya gotta clean and lube it, right? I've shot the Filmo I've owned and it's never let me down, and while I was a bit disappointed with the Kodak I used...once, it was because the primes were not great. Ok, but not great. Because the Filmo has a c-mount and Angenieux primes are available the experience with the Filmo is completely different. Variable shutter? Nope. In camera fades and dissolves? Nope. Convertable to Super 16? God no. But does it move film effectively and can you properly expose that film? Yep. Do what they do in post production after digitization and you can build yourself some rather handsome art. And sooner or later someone is going to remove that easily gotten to clockwork motor and modify to a crystal lock drive and have themselves a rather useful tool. I'm kinda surprised they haven't done it yet.
Wow, what a coincidence. I have never shot 16mm but I have this exact same camera and model loaded with a cartridge and ready to go! This was helpful. Thank you!
So cool!!! The film feels like my childhood regular 8 films!!! Love the nostalgia aspect!!!
the image is really good for such an old and rudimentary device.
Magical -- and the music helps as well! Yep -- back in the day -- even before *MY* day -- my grandparents would have used similar cameras, and brownie box cameras, early pseudo-TLR cameras, to capture family photos and home movies. The 16mm edges out 8mm in resolution and clarity -- but it's still a work of art/love, not so much a "movie." It's great that the camera tech still works so well -- and pretty easily -- and isn't "rocket science" -- yet still captures these moments in *moving* time. I was kinda hoping that you'd gotten a shot of Kasey (Camera Conspiracies) in the park!!! And Mike, et al, with the FPP are doing a ton to keep the love of various film formats alive. Often only for the price of a pizza or two!!!
Later military magazines were called A6 and usually loaded with Kodak Aerocolor ( remember Aerocolor ? ). All mine had the two bottom rollers removed. The proper way to change 16 MM double perforated is cut 50 - 53 feet of film off a reel. Remove the two screws in a genuine duffle bag and drop them and all the parts in a small Pyrex dish. Spool and path the film and reassemble the parts. If you lose track of expose and shiny side, lick the film and the emulsion side will feel dull. Dull faces the lens. Training practice can be done with old film in the light. It's good to load a half dozen magazines at a time, when you get the urge. Expect an occasional magazine to become a parts donor. Clap your soundtracks for post production. You can find tungsten or daylight film. Reversal or negative, but alas, no Aerocolor negative. An old magazine might surprise you with an undeveloped pounce on Heinckel 111's, then pilots playing baseball.
I got one of those, which was in pretty rough shape. Right now it's sitting on my workbench, completely taken apart (except for the spring wind mechanisms, not sure if I want to open those). It needs some really good cleaning and fresh oil afterwards. I'm really looking forward to shooting with it, especially after watching your footage.
Btw: The speed selector just locks at 16, 32 and 64 fps, but the camera should be able to do everything between (including changing speed while running). Speed is controlled by centrifugal force, so the speed selector changes the position of an axis which has two weights connected to it. Depending on the axis position the two weights are either pushed out (16fps) or moved close to the axis (64fps). So basically, positioning the speed selector right between 16 and 32 should give you 24fps. I will test this when I finished restoring my Kodak Cine 16mm magazine camera.
16mm mags are back in stock at Film Photography Project and I got mine in the mail today! I can't believe you can shoot real 16mm on a $25 camera the size of a Super-8 camera, but I'm about to try it!
That sequence was great! Sometimes simple gear and functions allow for the best creativity! Thanks for sharing
this is great.
Been wanting to see someone use a really old camera to film a modern city for a long time, very interesting and cool!
It looks like loading these cartridges would be a prime opportunity for using an IR light source with night vision goggles.
Wow I have one of these cameras, can't believe I can now get film for it! Thanks!!!
Just purchased a Revere 16mm magazine movie camera at a local Goodwill. I have a couple of cartridges purchased over 20 years ago but will check on availability of pre-loaded magazines and processing mentioned in the video.
I love the old footage and didn't know if it was really possible to do that anymore without a smartphone app or unless spending a heap of money. The footage you filmed definitely reminds me of WW2 footage! I would love to make a film like that myself, closest thing to time travel!
My grandpa had that camera, I have film of him as a kid in the 30s that might have been shot on it.
Great video.
They make great hiking cameras
Bell and Howell have a few of these as well
Interesting to see the magazine film in action! I recently used a Cine 8 Model 20 from the same era and am going to send the footage off for development soon. BW40 from FPP as well so this gives me an idea what I can expect although 8mm with a basic lens will have much lower quality I am thinking. The model 20 was the most basic version of the early Cine Kodak cameras, essentially the box camera equivalent of movie cameras.
Hi Analog Resurgence, I like the 8/16/33 mm look. But is there cheap alternative? Getting the footage developed and digitized is hardly affordable if you want to shoot a full length analog film (and dont want to use pseudo-analog digital filter.)
4:57 Someone who was living in the 1930s has traveled time 😂
So beautiful!! I love the look, and it became apparent that the choppy framerate does so much to make it look very 30's/40's ish. in my eyes, it has a great charm, but I am also of the mindset that running super 8 at 24 fps sort of ruins the feel of it, so I guess I have a bit of a bias :p
Well dang it you whippersnappers, I have one of those movie cameras sitting on my shelf gathering dust. The lens looks like it has a bit of fungus on it.
A slight difference with mine is the "camera speed" goes from 8-16-64.
Methinks it was my fathers camera. I also have a bunch of 16MM film that I've always wanted to scan. Some of it might be of me in my younger days, but I can't be sure.
Maybe I'll send some of it to FPP to scan. Thanks.
Beautiful
I remain baffled as to why modern, professional 16mm cartridge film does not exist. Or 35mm, for that matter. It would eliminate the needless (if low) risk of poorly loaded mags or accidentally exposed film. Film is still popular enough to warrant this invention.
Wow, the price is higher now. I checked and it's $2,565 now. I was planning to buy, since I got the WWII Navy Marked Magazine Cine-Kodak. But the price is killing me 😭 (I'm not sure if it's in USD or it automatically changed to NTD since I'm browsing here in Taiwan, can't tell since it's just a $ sign where it happens to be used here too ).
strange to see modern images from a vintage device. makes them seem almost peaceful
Do you happen to know what camera Max Fletcher used for his animations in the 1930's? or the cameras that were used to make early Disney films?
Just imagine the pranks you could play on conspiracy theorists. The kind where the person believes in time travel, and you hand them a photo of a man in 1931, holding a IPhone.
Found one at a garage sale. Would there be a reason why it wouldnt open?
hi, i’ve just been exposed to film photography recently. i wonder that apart from instax (wide, square, mini); polaroid (go, i-type, sx-70, 600, spectra, 8x10); film (135, 120, aps, 4x5...); polaroid packfilm (667, 101, 84, 690...) are there any type of film photo? waiting for your reply😆
I just found a camera exactly like the one in this video, last month at a Goodwill store. My lens looks a bit rough and could use some oil? Maybe? Where could I send it to get it tested or serviced? If anyone knows that would be great!
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I'd love to have a 1930's movie camera and / or a camera of the time.. The thing is, I don't have all the equipment to develop the films or photos
Just be sure to mail back the magazines once you're through with them.
It goes without saying, but I've heard through the FPP podcast that some people have NOT mailed back their magazines...
"mail back the magazines once you're through with them" - Well if someone paid the $100 total for the Mag, loaded film, develop & scanning, then it's likely that they'll send it in for the final process (FFP will then keep the Mag for another customer). If they don't send it in, then everybody loses...
Oh very cool. :)
I don't agree that the quality is necessarily going to be lower than what you would get from a Bolex. I saw some footage shot on a Revere 50 foot magazine camera from the Film photography project that had steadiness that Bolex can only dream of. Now if you are referring to Kodak made cameras, you might have a point there. Kodak has always been inferior in the camera department.
can you review the new Fujifilm 200
It seems like somone from the 1930s was time traveled into 2023 as an experience to see the future.
16 MM magazine film was still developed until the early 1990's. When the Army and Navy rejected Kodachrome and Kodachrome A film because it was too hard to develop, Kodak introduced Aerocolor, a tungsten balanced negative film. Gun camera films sometimes had military home movies at the end when servicemen switched the magazine to a military Filmo. Aerocolor is beginning to make a comeback, and it is superior to Vision. Finding it in it's original 2R 16 MM double perforations hasn't happened.
nice! :)
Future historians will be so confused when watching this
I really like all these old camera designs, that look like a lunch box or a whiskey flask or radio and stuff, because it just feels magic to see all of them bring out cool results and the work they do mechanically.
I have a super 8 and 16 camera with mags in them but I don’t want them to keep the mag lol
I'm still waiting for the breaking point that demand will be enough for someone to create a easy/cheap way of scanning 16mm and 8mm film with a mirrorless either frame by frame or with a synced framerate to today standars.
There is a company offering a modified proyector + lens to attach any modern camera, but is 1800 dolars 🤪
I’ve seen several projects using vintage projectors modified with slow speed motors, LED light, and a macro mirrorless camera. I plan to build something like that for myself!
Ahh, back when 2022 looked like 1932.....
The modern cars ruin shots
Why is this guy allergic to shooting color
Mostly because it’s incredibly expensive and there are a wider variety of black and white film stocks being manufactured that are worth covering in comparison to the very limited number of color stocks.